Without any controls on CO2 emissions who'a gon'a call? - Geoengineering!
Congratulations guys - don't blow it. -G
EPA memo bans to curb CO2 emissions
Dina Cappiello, Associated Press
Friday, December 19, 2008
(12-19) 04:00 PST Washington - --
The Bush administration is trying to make sure in
that stimulation of biological CO2
fixation (via the nutrient upwelling) more than
offsets the upwelled CO2 degassing to the
atmosphere, what's the point?
-Greg Rau
A simple way to achieve this would be to force air down into deep
pipes and allow it to bubble to the surface. The same principle
Congrats!. Will read with interest. In the meantime my questions are:
1) does this differ in concept from Metzger and Benford 2001?
2) crop residues contain other things besides C, such as N, P,
trace elements, etc. By removing these from land won't this require
greater fertilizer use to
Germany OKs global warming experiment
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090126/sc_afp/climatewarmingenvironmentoceangermany_20090126183534
Below is my correspondence with Jim from etcgroup about his luddite
hate campaign.
A
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Thanks. Interesting idea of sinking logs into the Black Sea. One
problem - most logs don't sink, at least not right away. Suggest
ballasting with limestone to neutralize any CO2 given off during
decomposition. But in the anoxic deep water of this sea, CH4
production rather than CO2 would
Not clear how silicates relate to air capture - CO2 must be
significantly concentrated for the reaction to happen, e.g. via
costly amine capture from power plants. Even then the kinetics are
slow unless additional T, P, or chemistry is applied. House et al
(2007)does offer an indirect
technologies.
David.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Greg Rau
mailto:r...@llnl.govr...@llnl.gov wrote:
Not clear how silicates relate to air capture - CO2 must be
significantly concentrated for the reaction to happen, e.g. via
costly amine capture from power plants. Even then the kinetics are
slow
-from-carbon-dioxide
http://www.thedailygreen.com/green-homes/eco-friendly/calera-green-cement-460908
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/01/MNGD12936I.DTLfeed=rss.news
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,575023,00.html
Regards,
Greg Rau
Fake 'trees' designed to trap CO2
One tower uses resin to trap carbon dioxide; energy industry seen as buyer
By Eric Bland
Discovery Channel
updated 1:37 p.m. PT, Thurs., April 16, 2009
A new kind of tree could cool the planet by
removing a major greenhouse gas from the planet's
atmosphere.
What
Johann Hari
Columnist, London Independent
Posted April 23, 2009 | 03:48 PM (EST)
The Last Green Taboo: Should We Try To Engineer Our Climate?
'Geo-engineering' sounds like a bland and technical term -- but it is
actually a Messianic movement to save the world from global warming,
through dust
http://www.worldchanging.com/archives//009784.html
GEOENGINEERING AND THE NEW CLIMATE DENIALISM
by Alex Steffen
The Idea of Geoengineering is Being Used Dishonestly
Though we spend our time here at Worldchanging focused on solutions
to the planet's most pressing problems, sometimes the politics
Published online 7 August 2009 | Nature | doi:10.1038/news.2009.810
News
Geoengineering schemes under scrutiny
Researchers divided over the wisdom of climate manipulation.
http://*www.*nature.com/news/author/Alexandra+Witze/index.htmlAlexandra Witze
The cooling aerosols pumped into the
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but thought some quotes
in here were pretty precious. Article written in a curious mixture of
tenses. Anyone go to this?
The bigger the scale of the approach, the riskier it is for the
environment, [=small scale solutions to a big scale problem
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es901664n?cookieSet=1
Is regulation on ocean acidification on the horizon?
Noreen Parks
Environ. Sci. Technol., 2009, 43 (16), pp 6118-6119
DOI: 10.1021/es901664n
Publication Date (Web): June 24, 2009
Copyright © 2009 American Chemical Society
With mounting
AUGUST 19, 2009, 9:27 AM
The Horror of Climate Engineering?
By http://*tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/author/john-tierney/JOHN TIERNEY
In response to
my http://*www.*nytimes.com/2009/08/11/science/11tier.htmlcolumn and
http://*tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/climate-engineering/post
http://royalsociety.org/document.asp?tip=0id=8729
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Nature advance online publication 13 September 2009 |
doi:10.1038/nature08447; Received 18 May 2009; Accepted 21 August
2009; Published online 13 September 2009
Atmospheric carbon dioxide through the Eocene-Oligocene climate transition
Paul N. Pearson1, Gavin L. Foster2 Bridget S. Wade3
... in order to stay within the boundary of the global emissions
budget, sometime from 2060 net global emissions must be negative,
with little emissions from energy use and greater soaking up of CO2
from forests and other methods.
So buck up CO2 sucking geoengineers, the world WILL need us
'Scary' climate message from past
By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News website
A new historical record of carbon dioxide levels suggests current
political targets on climate may be playing with fire, scientists
say.
Researchers used ocean sediments to plot CO2 levels back 20
Editorial
Nature Geoscience 2, 665 (2009)
doi:10.1038/ngeo655
Fake plastic trees
Abstract
Greenhouse-gas emissions keep rising, despite all efforts at
regulation and international agreement. Geoengineering could provide
a back-up plan.
Introduction
Unless global greenhouse-gas emissions
Thanks Steven (and Sam).
Then there's this:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/03/carbon-sequestration-business-energy-copenhagen-15-burial.html
In addition to ocean as victim, why not also investigate safely
using the ocean as part of the solution, both as a massive absorber
and storer of CO2
I haven't got ahold of the paper (below) yet, but
a natural CO2 sink that scales with emissions
would seem most consistent with abiotic ocean
absorption that scales directly with pCO2(air) -
pCO2 (ocean). Otherwise what other dominant sink
will do this? Barring some amazing CO2
In light of recent modeling results on the lifetime of CO2 in the
atmosphere, I am concerned that the current time-integrated (not
instantaneous) GWP estimate for CO2 has been underestimated and hence
GWP's of other gases (esp short-lived gases) relative to CO2 have
been overestimated. E.g.,
habitability. This has obvious and significant (RD) policy
implications.
But certainly, we also have to reduce CO2 emissions.
Best, Mike
On 11/16/09 3:22 PM, Greg Rau r...@llnl.gov wrote:
In light of recent modeling results on the lifetime of CO2 in the
atmosphere, I am concerned that the current
Thanks for that, Dave. Correction: If Caldeira
and Hoffert are right, that's 7x10^6 x 10^5 tons
of glacier melted per day. ;-)
- G
Ad in Life magazine 1962.
),
popular realization of these facts is long overdue.
Cheers,
David
From: Greg Rau [mailto:r...@llnl.gov]
Sent: November 16, 2009 1:23 PM
To: mmacc...@comcast.net; geoengineering@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [geo] Re: Rejected - a simple argument for SRM geoengineering
In light of recent modeling
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0911/gallery.geoengineer/index.html
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Brennan,
I thought we were going to use the PVC from your process for this
purpose? Anyway, we should probably clear this with the local
caribou herds, etc before carpeting the tundra. ;-)
-Greg
Introducing the world's next largest natural gas reserve?
I never thought that I would be
Forwarded from Sarah Brennan:
Prof. Klaus Lackner, director of the Lenfest Center for Sustainable
Energy at the Earth Institute at Columbia University, will be
demonstrating air capture technology at the American Geophysical
Union conference in San Francisco next week
Which reminds me, isn't there an albedo tradeoff here if white barren
land is reforested with dark trees a la Caldeira and Govindaswamy
200__?
-Greg
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Andrew
Lockley mailto:andrew.lock...@gmail.comandrew.lock...@gmail.com wrote:
you can put some concrete or
be the dominant cost in
each case.
In particular, air capture with a CaO to CaCO3 loop and mining CaCO3
to make CaO with CO2 capture are very similar, the ocean scheme
replaces the contactor with a ship.
-D
From: Greg Rau [mailto:r...@llnl.gov]
Sent: December 10, 2009 9:26 AM
To: David Keith
Unfortunate, but not surprising considering the source.
His Highness Lawson states that the true cost of
decarbonization is massive, and the distribution
of the burden an insoluble problem. and there
is not even a theoretical (let alone a practical)
basis for a global agreement on
You mean methanotrophic bacteria. - Greg
Further to Mike's comments:
When methane seeps into sea water and gets dissolved, it gets
attacked by methanogenic bacteria that cosumes this to carbon
dioxide. The carbon dioxide then dissolves again into water.
However, there are about 22,000
Published on Monday, December 10, 2012 by Common Dreams
New Study: Scientists' Early Climate Predictions Prove Accurate
As politicians continue to neglect challenge, scientific work on global warming
increasingly vindicated
- Jon Queally, staff writer
Leaders of the world's nations keep getting
No lumps of coal in my Xmas stocking this morning, but unfortunately more coal
and CO2 are in our future.
-Greg
Coal’s share of global energy mix to continue rising, with coal closing in
on oil as world’s top energy source by 2012.
.the world will burn around 1.2 billion more
Central West Antarctica among the most rapidly warming regions on Earth
David H. Bromwich, Julien P. Nicolas, Andrew J. Monaghan, Matthew
A. Lazzara, Linda M. Keller,George A. WeidnerAaron B.
Wilson
AffiliationsContributionsCorresponding author
Nature
Looking forward to reading about those darned discursive, reifying actors
and their exceptionalism. Anyone have a copy?
-G
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 19, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Russell Seitz russellse...@gmail.com wrote:
This may be the best paper on the subject since Transgressing the Tropopause
If the ocean was sterilized, then presumably there wouldn't be any marine
microbes to consume O2 or generate H2S, CH4, etc. Good final exam written
question for Biogeochemistry 476 - what would happen to the earth?
As for McNuggets, some Asia countries get 40% of their protein from the ocean.
When carbon is emitted by human activities into the atmosphere it is generally
thought that about half remains in the atmosphere and the remainder is stored
in the oceans and on land. New research suggests that human activity could be
increasing the movement of carbon from land to rivers,
Guess it's official: Plan A (= emissions reductions) has failed. So we're
jumping directly to Plan C ( = survival mode). Apparently the messaging about
Plan B (= SRM and CDR) never got through, or someone's decided we're not going
there(?) Best of luck to future generations. Some of us tried
In related news:
Research at Russia's North Pole-40, a station located aboard an ice floe in
the Arctic, has ceased following an emergency evacuation of personnel. The ice
upon which the station was built had begun to melt at an alarming rate and
split into six pieces.
more here:
I meant the net ocean CO2 sink is about 7 GT CO2/yr (or 2 GT C/yr). - Greg
From: Rau, Greg r...@llnl.gov
To: voglerl...@gmail.com voglerl...@gmail.com;
geoengineering@googlegroups.com geoengineering@googlegroups.com
Cc: sdo...@whoi.edu sdo...@whoi.edu
Sent:
Further evidence that rock weathering is the major player in removing CO2 from
10GT/yr x 10kyr events. In managing our present event, how about building on
and accelerating this proven, global-scale process?
-Greg
http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/discussion/a-response-to-methane-mischief-misleading-commentary-published-in-nature
The 24 July news story about the potential cost of Arctic methane release has
provoked widespread coverage, including a critique in the Washington Post.
Here, Professor Peter
... we make the world we live in by the language we speak in it
OK, how about this language: Since we are failing to stabilize CO2 by
conventional means, wouldn't it be a good idea to rapidly, communally, and
objectively explore alternative strategies just in case even one of them proves
Thanks, Tom. What this article tells me is that China, if it chooses, is in the
driver's seat re SRM (and CDR?) research and implementation, unlike the US and
others which seem to have difficulty even acknowledging that there is a
potential need.
Greg
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I agree that we should not ignore 70% of the earth's surface in our attempts to
manage our global climate, biogeochemical, and social problems. But we
obviously need to figure out how to do this safely and sustainably. Ideas, RD,
and esp policies that support these are needed, e.g.:
the
dots on this idea. I'll put some work into the technical side to help show
what a 'continuous incubator' mounted to a Shaf Downweller may look like..
Best,
Michael
On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:01:07 AM UTC-7, Greg Rau wrote:
Sorry if this is old news, but in cleaning out my in box I came
If whales increase the ocean carbon sink (and I've got to read the fine print
to be convinced), then the obvious geoengineering response is to breed more
whales. And/or will whale harvesters now need to pay a carbon tax? Could
partnering with ETC and Greenpeace on this be far behind?
Greg
“Ultimately, what you can say about this air capture technology is that it’s
going to be the most expensive way to abate carbon emissions. It’s going to be
somewhere to the right of CCS in terms of cost.
As I've asked before, if Nature can absorb 55% of our post-emissions CO2 from
air for
“It matters which metaphors we choose to live by. If we choose unwisely or fail
to understand their implications, we will die by them.”
Well then by all means let's get some good, non-fatal metaphors going,
considering that simple, rationale thinking doesn't seem to be doing the trick:
At the risk of beating a dead horse, there are a few statements below that I
just can't let pass.
Joe Romm, for one, likens geoengineering to a dangerous course of chemotherapy
and radiation to treat a condition curable through diet and exercise — or, in
this case, emissions reduction.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/11/business/counting-the-cost-of-fixing-the-future.html
Interesting article navigating the SCC (social cost of carbon) issue, critical
measure for evaluating the applicability of any mitigation action/technology.
One revealing quote from Nordhaus:
“Investments
The 20 reasons ( Alan's) can be more directly found here:
http://anthroposcene.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/20-reasons-geoengineering-robock-2013.pdf
There are 20 reasons why radiation and chemotherapy are bad ideas, too, but
because of extensive research we know sometimes the benefit of those
The Russians launched the first satellite, and that did wonders for the US
space program. Could there be a parallel here for GE? An arms race to save the
planet...one can dream.
Greg
From: Andrew Lockley andrew.lock...@gmail.com
To: geoengineering
While I agree that biochar, afforestation, BECCS, CROPS, etc are all valid CDR
concepts, I would hesitate to advocate deploying these at a significant scale
until impacts on land use, food production, soil chemistry, nutrient cycling,
albedo, downstream/ocean impacts, societal implications, etc
Thanks for pointing this out. Impractical indeed. Schrag apparently wants to
make CaCO3 by reacting concentrated air CO2 with Ca(OH)2, the latter made from
CaCO3 at great energy and carbon expense, clearly a circular strategy and
energy sink. Making Ca(HCO3)2aq on the other hand would make more
To amplify Al's 400,000 Hiroshimas/day statement below see:
http://theconversation.com/four-hiroshima-bombs-a-second-how-we-imagine-climate-change-16387
It's actually 345,600 Hiroshimas/day or 4 bombs/sec, but you get the idea. 90%
of the heat is going into the ocean. This would seem a powerful
Thanks for the offer, Ron. You can ask him what his calculation is for net
atmospheric CO2 benefit (or impact) of large scale OTEC implementation. The
calculation should include the physical and biological effects on ocean/air CO2
exchange, as well CO2 emissions avoidance by the renewable
The Paul Allen Foundation announced the winner of their ocean acidification
mitigation contest today
http://www.pgafamilyfoundation.org/oceanchallenge/
The winning entry in a nutshell:
The rate at which coral reefs world-wide are declining has raised concern
about the natural capacity of corals
“Contracting Parties shall not allow the placement of matter into the sea from
vessels, aircraft, platforms or other man-made structures at sea for marine
geoengineering activities listed in Annex 4, unless the listing provides that
the activity or the sub-category of an activity may be
Why couldn't the IMO address pollution of the ocean by anthropogenic CO2? If
not the IMO then surely some legal advocacy for avoidance of marine CO2
pollution could come from the myriad of ocean NGO's. The (potential) OIF
problem pales in comparison to real, ongoing ocean CO2 pollution and its
anticipate huge resistance to the word
'ranching' as it suggests captivity.
Please consider wording which supports exisiting whale cionservation methods.
Thanks
Emily.
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From: Greg Rau gh...@sbcglobal.net
Sender: geoengineering
On the other hand
One unfortunate consequence of that (political controversy surrounding GE) is
that early, small-scale research that could help us understand more about
whether these things would work, what risks they would pose and how you would
do them most effectively, isn't really getting
http://www.pbl.nl/en/publications/trends-in-global-co2-emissions-2013-report
Actual global emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) reached a new record of 34.5
billion tonnes in 2012. Yet, the increase in global CO2 emissions in that year
slowed down to 1.1% (or 1.4%, not accounting the extra day in
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6159/696.summary
CLIMATE CHANGE
Hell and High Water: Practice-Relevant Adaptation Science
R. H. Moss et al.
Informing the extensive preparations needed to manage climate risks, avoid
damages, and realize emerging opportunities is a grand challenge for
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/11/25-3?print
Published on Monday, November 25, 2013 by Common Dreams
The Climate Disaster Bubbling in the Arctic
Study: twice as much methane as previously thought being released from East
Siberian Arctic Shelf
- Andrea Germanos, staff writer
New
From below: The administration has revised the value, putting the SCC at $37
per metric ton of CO2 by 2015 following minor technical changes.
Anyone care to add their 2 cents? A rather crucial measure that will determine
the net value of any action taken on CO2.
Greg
CLIMATE:
White House
Ocean engineering goes upscale. - Greg
http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/sitbon-architectes-bloom
Bloom is a futuristic take on marine farming designed by French firm Sitbon
Architectes that was selected as one of five finalists for the first Architizer
A+ Awards in the architecture
Is the Arctic a carbon source, or sink?
Christa Marshall, EE reporter
Published: Friday, December 6, 2013
In addition to being a warming hot spot, the Arctic plays a pivotal role in the
movement of carbon between atmosphere, land and sea.
But the degree to which Arctic regions are a carbon
and honest.
Cheers, John
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Greg Rau gh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
More fair and balanced climate testimony?
Greg
CLIMATE:
House Science panel to take aim at impacts to weather
Jean Chemnick, EE reporter
Published: Monday, December 9, 2013
A House committee that has
Correction: this is a rather detailed expose on the funding of anti-AGW
research. Picks up where Merchants of Doubt http://www.merchantsofdoubt.org
left off. At a mere $900M/yr looks like these guys are getting their moneys
worth in preserving $70T/yr worth of BAU.
Greg
out what (if anything) can be safely and sustainably done, not
at the height of a climate/OA/food crisis.
May the new year produce some new thinking and effective action.
Greg Rau
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OK, so at 0.05 GT CO2/volcano and a social cost of carbon of say $40/tonne CO2
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/inforeg/social_cost_of_carbon_for_ria_2013_update.pdf
means an impact of $2B/volcano times # new volcanos/yr times yrs of new
eruptions, minus the temporary $ benefits
Barking mad or a necessity? Fair and balanced - you decide.
Greg
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/solar_geoengineering_weighing_costs_of_blocking_the_suns_rays/2727/?goback=%2Egde_2792503_member_5827066925661843458#%21
... Raymond Pierrehumbert has called the scheme barking mad.
...Robock
Al Gore weighs in on the IPCC's new change of heart: Geoengineering 'Insane,
Utterly Mad and Delusional'.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/01/16
Don't sugar coat it, Al. On the other hand Nature will perform her own
geoengineering over the next 100 kyrs in consuming all of the CO2 we
. We have the same continuing problem of not knowing who means what when
they use the term “geoengineering.”
Ron
On Jan 16, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Greg Rau gh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Al Gore weighs in on the IPCC's new change of heart: Geoengineering 'Insane,
Utterly Mad and Delusional'.
http
I think this got on geo last year, but worth repeating. Interesting how
$900M/yr can be strategically invested to preserve $70T in BAU, good ROI.
Further recent evidence of the reach and scope of this movement is seen here:
From below: Environment Canada said there was [a violation of Canadian law],
and it applies even if the dumping takes place outside Canadian territorial
waters. (It) appeared to have been undertaken, at least in part, with an eye
to profit or financial gain and, in particular, the generation
.
Greg
From: Oliver Morton olivermor...@economist.com
To: Ronal W. Larson rongretlar...@comcast.net
Cc: Geoengineering geoengineering@googlegroups.com; Greg Rau
r...@llnl.gov; Ken Caldeira kcalde...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:29 AM
Subject: Re
True, employing weathering to consume all of our CO2 is a daunting task, yet
that's exactly what will happen over the next 100 kyrs if we do nothing:
http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.earth.031208.100206
So the (engineering) task is to see when, where, and how we can
From the article: “The findings from GeoMIP and earlier studies have caught
the attention of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent movement and its
Climate Centre. Suarez and his colleagues are urging other humanitarian groups
to begin preparing for the fallout from geoengineering,
Why not (also) use beefed up hydrokinetic electricity generation to take
advantage of (and to dissipate) the storm energy imparted to the ocean? Prof.
Salter might want to weigh here. Both approaches would seem to benefit if
there were cost effective ways of storing the large but relatively
effectively increase this fraction by some
amount? We might never find out if certain very influential forces have their
way.
Greg
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Those advocating that we can be resilient to or adapt our way out of climate
change might want to read this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/climate-change-effects_n_4914116.htmlQuote:A
central theme of the report is that vulnerabilities and impacts are issues
beyond physical
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v507/n7492/full/nature13030.html
Sulphide oxidation and carbonate dissolution as a source of CO2 over geological
timescales
Mark A. Torres, A. Joshua West Gaojun Li
Nature 507, 346–349 (20 March 2014) doi:10.1038/nature13030
The observed stability of
, Greg Rau gh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v507/n7492/full/nature13030.html
Sulphide oxidation and carbonate dissolution as a source of CO2 over
geological timescales
Mark A. Torres, A. Joshua West Gaojun Li
Nature 507, 346–349 (20 March 2014) doi:10.1038
http://ipcc-wg2.gov/AR5/images/uploads/IPCC_WG2AR5_SPM_Approved.pdf
The mitigation story is due out this month:
Working Group III (Mitigation of Climate Change)
A press conference to present Working Group III’s Summary for Policymakers will
be held following its approval session:
When:
http://globalconreview.com/innovation/could-geoengineering-be-answer/
Geoengineering may prove as disruptive to the political order of the 21st
century as nuclear weapons were for the 20th. D. Keith
Greg
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U.N. report explores bioenergy's potential for pulling CO2 out of the air
Umair Irfan, EE reporter
ClimateWire: Thursday, April 3, 2014
Pushing the needle back on billowing carbon dioxide emissions may be necessary
to avoid catastrophic warming. But for those who are squeamish about
Treaties regarding non-proliferation of global [CE] deployment capability
should be considered, meaning let's make sure CE is never deployed regardless
of its benefits relative to costs and impacts?
Greg
From: Andrew Lockley andrew.lock...@gmail.com
To:
China, the European Union, Japan and Russia were among nations saying the
draft, to be published on Sunday, should do more to stress uncertainties about
technologies that the report says could be used to extract carbon dioxide from
the atmosphere and bury it below ground to limit warming.
GR -
by then the policy (and our fate) will have
been immutably cast for another X yrs.
Greg
From: Lou Grinzo lougri...@gmail.com
To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com
Cc: Greg Rau gh...@sbcglobal.net; dhawk...@nrdc.org dhawk...@nrdc.org;
andrew.lock...@gmail.com
From the paper, this might bear repeating:
We have demonstrated the potentially significant role of a BECS [= any CDR? -
GR] technology in determining the emissions pathway and costs involved in
meeting the most stringent of our targets.. If BECS or other negative emissions
options are not to
Final report here:
http://mitigation2014.org/report/final-draft/
Technical (not policymaker) summary here:
http://report.mitigation2014.org/drafts/final-draft-postplenary/ipcc_wg3_ar5_final-draft_postplenary_technical-summary.pdf
In this summary I note that the terms ocean and marine appear a
behind that for the more common EE and RE
mitigation options (which also are further ahead than all but the most recent
models would show)..
Ron
On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:22 AM, Greg Rau gh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Final report here:
http://mitigation2014.org/report/final-draft
Go to googlescholar and search Lohafex
Greg
From: O Morton omeconom...@gmail.com
To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 7:15 AM
Subject: [geo] Lohafex results
Does anyone know where the final results from Lohafex were published
Further scientist perspectives here:
http://news.sciencemag.org/climate/2014/04/scientists-licking-wounds-after-contentious-climate-report-negotiations
Stavin's comment quoted from below ... a [IPCC] process that built political
credibility by sacrificing scientific integrity is revealing(?)
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