Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-27 Thread peter sikking
Robert Krawitz wrote: From: peter sikking pe...@mmiworks.net this whole pdf/cmyk discussion has been a nice exercise for me in getting to know the activity as Don Norman calls it. this is what I digest from all that has been said here: rule #1: the topic we are talking all the

Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-27 Thread Andrew A. Gill
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Robert Krawitz wrote: I think the case of text black is a partial, qualified exception -- but it's arguable that it has any bearing on RGB vs. CMYK. It really means the darkest, sharpest black that can be produced regardless of rendering device. It could just as well be

Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-27 Thread peter sikking
Andrew A. Gill wrote: I think I agree with 99% of what you wrote. Clarifications/quibbles: (wait. Nevermind. Probably about 75%) I better explain some things before that drops even further ^} 4) tiff or pdf? it is just a transport method. it is a strategic choice what to do

Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-27 Thread Andrew A. Gill
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, peter sikking wrote: I think the case of text black is a partial, qualified exception -- I have a hard time spotting what you mean. this is troubling because I will have to understand the everything to be able to drive the Ui side of the solution. Here, this may help:

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-27 Thread yahvuu
Hi all, my previous posting does not stand a quality test, to put it mildly. To save the list from multiple nearly indentical follow-ups, i thinks it's best to bundle my replies here. My apologies for the noise. yahvuu schrieb: Thanks to GEGL's dynamic nature, the sRGB-CMYK separation will be

Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-27 Thread peter sikking
Andrew A. Gill wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, peter sikking wrote: I think the case of text black is a partial, qualified exception -- I have a hard time spotting what you mean. this is troubling because I will have to understand the everything to be able to drive the Ui side of the

Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-27 Thread Andrew A. Gill
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, peter sikking wrote: OK, that part I already got before I wrote my digest. But Robert points this out to show that there is a (minor) spanner in the works. where's the spanner? There are two spanners: one in favor of CMYK and one against. I'm not sure which Robert

Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-27 Thread Robert Krawitz
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:48:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew A. Gill superlu...@frontiernet.net On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, peter sikking wrote: OK, that part I already got before I wrote my digest. But Robert points this out to show that there is a (minor) spanner in the works.

[Gimp-developer] GSOC 2009: GEGL-based file loaders for GIMP

2009-03-27 Thread YongLi
I am also interesting in this project: GEGL-based file loaders for GIMP. I'm preparing the proposal, and it says in the introduction that The exact approach at this is still to be decided but will only require a small set of discussions and agreements between core developers. Where can I discuss

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-27 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:13 AM, David Marrs wrote: As for customisability?  I think that it's probably underestimated. Take the example of me spending half an hour or more on google this evening trying to work out how to enable menu tear-offs in Gnome.  As far as I can tell, the feature just

Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-27 Thread peter sikking
Robert Krawitz wrote: where's the spanner? Against CMYK, regardless of what system you use, text black is going to be a spot color, so it could just as easily be RGB+K, CMYK+K, LAB+K, or even YIQ+K. I meant the latter. I remember that on some older monitors and graphics devices

Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-27 Thread Andrew A. Gill
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, peter sikking wrote: the plan as you can see in my conclusions does not hardwire a cmyk system, it uses (stolen from pippin) an everything is spot aka a-plate-is-a-plate system where the separation is free configurable, and cmyk and cmy+k are standard configurations. so

Re: [Gimp-developer] digested: printing presses, cmyk, tiff + pdf...

2009-03-27 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Andrew A. Gill wrote: After all, there's a way to get PMS to work with Scribus (and I believe you can use this to get approximations in GIMP as well): http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Scribus_and_Pantone_colors You mean

[Gimp-developer] Gsoc 2009

2009-03-27 Thread amit kumar
Dear Nicolas Robidoux I am Amit Kumar from India,an undergraduate engineering student(Electronics communication engineering) of IIT Guwahati. I went through Ideas list of GNU Image Manipulation Program for Gsoc 2009. I found More Flexible Abyss Policies (including Nearest Neighbour, a.k.a.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-27 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 14:52 -0700, drizzt wrote: Just think of the most used piece of code on a GNU/Linux system: the Linux kernel. Didn't you know that the user interface is stable ? How would you feel if between releases the behavior of interfaces changed, and when asking the kernel

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Gegl-developer] babl portability patches, and a test failure

2009-03-27 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 17:03 -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: Gary V. Vaughan wrote: Has anyone been able to find time to look at my patch queue for babl? One minor thing I noticed is the patch which adds and include of config.h so it is done in all(?) files. Is it really necessary to

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP PDF export plugin

2009-03-27 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 23:21 -0400, Louis Desjardins wrote: At this point in the discussion, it would be great to hear if the quality of the information provided so far in terms of explanations and examples is enough to lead someone or a group of developers in the GIMP team to envision

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-27 Thread David Marrs
Alexandre wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:13 AM, David Marrs wrote: As for customisability? I think that it's probably underestimated. Take the example of me spending half an hour or more on google this evening trying to work out how to enable menu tear-offs in Gnome. As far as I can

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-27 Thread Sampo Niskanen
Hi, I'm leaving the Gimp list now as I'm not actively intrested in the internals of Gimp's development. I just hope that my suggestion from December of restoring the non-destructive crop functionality (which sparked quite some discussion) will not be forgotton - this is a simple feature

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-27 Thread David Odin
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:02:13PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 14:52 -0700, drizzt wrote: Just think of the most used piece of code on a GNU/Linux system: the Linux kernel. Didn't you know that the user interface is stable ? How would you feel if between

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-27 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 20:29 +0100, David Odin wrote: Still that narrow minded? You obviously didn't read the drizzt's post at all! Drizzt was comparing the linux kernel _user_ interface with the gimp's _user_ interface. As far as I know the kernel doesn't have a user interface in the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-27 Thread Martin Nordholts
David Odin wrote: Drizzt was comparing the linux kernel _user_ interface with the gimp's _user_ interface. Comparing a kernel user interface with an image editor user interface is just plain silly. [...] Well, of course, everything could be better if more people would be even

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-27 Thread David Odin
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:51:10PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 20:29 +0100, David Odin wrote: Still that narrow minded? You obviously didn't read the drizzt's post at all! Drizzt was comparing the linux kernel _user_ interface with the gimp's _user_

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-27 Thread bgw
Samp, I didn't look at the archive -- but the functionality you are seeking appears to be in the rectangle selection tool. Select a rectangle, move your cursor within the selected rectangle. If it's close to an edge, you can move the edge. If it's not, you can move the rectangle. Actually, if

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-27 Thread Sampo Niskanen
Hi, On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, bgw wrote: Samp, I didn't look at the archive -- but the functionality you are seeking appears to be in the rectangle selection tool. Select a rectangle, move your cursor within the selected rectangle. If it's close to an edge, you can move the edge. If it's not,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

2009-03-27 Thread Nathael Pajani
Once again, I reply to many posts, and with a long message, but it seems that people are interested in the discussion, so I wont deceive them. Martin Nordholts a écrit : Comparing a kernel user interface with an image editor user interface is just plain silly. I don't think so, but maybe some

Re: [Gimp-developer] Please restore removed crop tool functionality

2009-03-27 Thread Simon Budig
Sampo Niskanen (spnis...@cc.hut.fi) wrote: The point is changing the canvas size, but leaving the layers uncropped. The current crop tool always crops the layers to the selected area, so you cannot fine-tune the position afterwards - previously there was the option of cropping only the