Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-05 Thread peter sikking
Flávio Pontes wrote: The real problem are all the inconsistencies that have gone into a STABLE release. A release that was supposed to solve a lot of UI problems, but looks like an alpha quality release from the UI viewpoint. 2.6 was to be a gegl-under-the-hood-only version, but we did

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-05 Thread Flávio Pontes
Peter, After I wrote the message I decided to take a look at the UI wiki and what I found there is basically what I was thinking could be improved in the UI. It finally sank that it's just too early to see everything solved. Heck the analysis stage isn't complete yet and here I am complaining

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 18:10 +0200, peter sikking wrote: there we could tighten up things, yeah. but I fear the fixes may have to be in gtk. minimising all image windows, or the no-image-window, should minimise the whole app, meaning the toolbox and inspectors get hidden. That could

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-05 Thread peter sikking
Sven wrote: peter sikking wrote: there we could tighten up things, yeah. but I fear the fixes may have to be in gtk. minimising all image windows, or the no-image-window, should minimise the whole app, meaning the toolbox and inspectors get hidden. That could easily be done in GIMP. At

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-04 Thread Flávio Pontes
Tobias, I apologize for replying to your personal address. Here's to the list. IMHO it is just a waste of space because it is not a good indicator for a drop target. Not one of the ppl I showed it - all of them designers - recognized it as a drop target and, frankly, the image in there is simply

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-04 Thread William Steidtmann
I also think that the toolbox Wilber is an inefficient use of space, so here is an idea (my apologies if this has already been discussed/thought of): Right now there are 3 status items in Preferences-Toolbox-Appearance, that when checked appear below the toolbox tool icons. Add a 4th status

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, if you don't like it, or it doesn't fit your screen layout, then why don't you just turn it off? There's a gimprc option for this and it is documented. There is no UI for it, but that should be OK. There are quite a few options that don't have a UI, simply because they are not considered

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-04 Thread Aurore D.
Hi, if you don't like it, or it doesn't fit your screen layout, then why don't you just turn it off? There's a gimprc option for this and it is documented. I thought this wasn't going to be done at all in 2.6, and the previous part of this thread also made me think it still wasn't possible.

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-04 Thread Alastair M. Robinson
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: if you don't like it, or it doesn't fit your screen layout, then why don't you just turn it off? There's a gimprc option for this and it is documented. Is it documented anywhere other than the gimprc file itself (and now this mailing list too!)? In other words, is

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-04 Thread William Steidtmann
Thanks for the info regarding this gimprc option. I disagree that the Appearance section of Preferences-Toolbox is cluttered, given that there are only 3 items there. If I were to write a patch and send it to you, to add the (toobox-wilber [yes|no]) gimprc option to that section of

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 14:04 -0500, William Steidtmann wrote: Thanks for the info regarding this gimprc option. I disagree that the Appearance section of Preferences-Toolbox is cluttered, given that there are only 3 items there. If I were to write a patch and send it to you, to add

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, don't you guys get it? We want that graphics to stay and we don't want to allow users to turn it off. The UI team decided that it is important and thus it will stay. The only reason that I added a gimprc option to disable it was because the graphics doesn't play nicely with a horizontal

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-04 Thread Alastair M. Robinson
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: don't you guys get it? I get it - I'm just disappointed by it. I shall refrain from beating the dead horse any further. All the best, -- Alastair M. Robinson ___ Gimp-developer mailing list

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-04 Thread Flávio Pontes
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Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-04 Thread Flávio Pontes
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Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-03 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
+1 to hide Wilber via preferences. It was my initial thought when I saw him for the first time. With respect Alexander Rabtchevich ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-03 Thread Alexia Death
On Friday 03 October 2008 08:58:29 Martin Nordholts wrote: 1. Hide the toolbox Wilber by default, or 2. Add a UI in the Preferences to toggle toolbox Wilber on and off. What are peoples thoughts here? For me it is not a drop target, but a little branding plaque and as such quite nice, but

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-03 Thread Patrick Horgan
Martin Nordholts wrote: ~~~% snip! %~~~ What are peoples thoughts here? He's cute there, but doesn't add any functionality, no? I don't see any reason for him to go, but wouldn't be upset. Patrick ___ Gimp-developer mailing list

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-03 Thread Tobias Jakobs
Am Freitag, den 03.10.2008, 11:13 -0700 schrieb Patrick Horgan: Martin Nordholts wrote: ~~~% snip! %~~~ What are peoples thoughts here? He's cute there, but doesn't add any functionality, no? He is there, to indicate that the toolbox is an drop area for images. Like the

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-03 Thread Michael Grosberg
Martin Nordholts enselic at gmail.com writes: After spending quite some time mostly in our own #gimp and the freenode #gimp answering questions, I can see two questions that are particularly frequently asked. A. How do I get the new window management to work on Windows, and B. How can I

Re: [Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

2008-10-03 Thread Stephan Hegel
Hi, On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 07:58 +0200, Martin Nordholts wrote: Regarding question B however, I believe we need to do something. It doesn't seem as if people easily make the association we wanted them to make: where you see Wilber, you can drop an image to open it. (Some people doesn't even