On Sep 12, 2012 5:56 PM, "maderios" wrote:
>
> On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
>>
>> maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>
>>> May be but you have already the choice with "window-single mode" or
>>> not. Then you open edit -> preferences and here, incredible thing,
>>> you can disc
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >True, we know that we have way too many configuration settings.
> >
> >Unfortunately adding to these doesn't help with this problem.
>
> I don't understand. What's the problem ? You can keep a default conf
> or change a few things, or change many things...
maderios, please, please just accept that it will not happen. This has
been discussed at great length, and it will not change.
On 12/09/2012 10:55, maderios wrote:
On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
May be but you have already the choice with "wind
On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
May be but you have already the choice with "window-single mode" or
not. Then you open edit -> preferences and here, incredible thing,
you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know that.
True, we kn
On Tuesday 11 September 2012 07:23:34 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * maderios [09-11-12 06:15]:
> ...
>
> > It's really very simple:
> >
> > Photoshop / Saving images
> > Save a file
> > Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As
> > command to save changes to a differ
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
> May be but you have already the choice with "window-single mode" or
> not. Then you open edit -> preferences and here, incredible thing,
> you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know that.
True, we know that we have way too many configuration
On 09/12/2012 01:52 AM, Ofnuts wrote:
On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote:
Hi
I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the
choice in the configuration.
Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the
same Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials w
> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:50:54 -0700
> From: kwarner...@verizon.net
> To: ofn...@laposte.net
> CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
>
> The obvious design that satisfies both groups has been offered sev
The obvious design that satisfies both groups has been offered several times
and has been derided as --- I don't know why, although numerous attempts to
justify the current design has been proffered.
On 9/11/2012 4:52 PM, Ofnuts wrote:
On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote:
Hi
I'm not develo
On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote:
Hi
I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the
choice in the configuration.
Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the
same Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials work everywhere, and the
people answe
That's good news! I wish that effort all success.
On 9/11/2012 2:49 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote:
If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a
fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image
ed
* maderios [09-11-12 06:15]:
...
> It's really very simple:
>
> Photoshop / Saving images
> Save a file
> Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As
> command to save changes to a different file.
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea5
On 09/11/2012 11:49 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote:
If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a
fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image
editor, ...,
No need to. There already is a fork.
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
>> Inkscape does not do this.
>
> Inkscape saves in SVG format. Lots of luck getting that to display
> in software that expects raster image files.
Moreover, the plan is to stop saving to file formats other than SVG.
Alexandre Prokoudine
http
On 09/11/2012 05:05 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote:
> On 09/11/2012 04:25 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
>> My word processor responds to "control-s" by saving the open
>> document in its own native format, which does not happen to be
>> suitable for distribution to end users. [etc]
>
> Which word processor migh
On 09/11/2012 11:45 AM, Maarten De Munck wrote:
maderios schreef op di 11-09-2012 om 08:52 [+0200]:
1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it.
The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf
and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote:
> If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a
> fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image
> editor, ...,
No need to. There already is a fork.
https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp
Alexandre P
maderios schreef op di 11-09-2012 om 08:52 [+0200]:
> > 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it.
> The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf
> and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We work
> indifferently on all file types.
M
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM, maderios wrote:
> arbitrary = "depending on individual discretion"
>
> It's the case... Developers know their job developers. They do not
> listen to what happens on the side of people who work with images.
The problem is not about us allegedly not listening. The
On 09/11/2012 04:25 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
My word processor responds to "control-s" by saving the open document
in its own native format, which does not happen to be suitable for
distribution to end users. My audio editor does the same thing. My
video editors do the same thing. My vector edit
On 09/11/2012 03:56 AM, maderios wrote:
> It's the case... Developers know their job developers. They do not
> listen to what happens on the side of people who work with images.
The GIMP development team is not a bunch of people hired from an
employment agency. Most of them have already forgotte
On 09/11/2012 09:29 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, maderios wrote:
Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks...
Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "arbitrary"?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary
arbi
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, maderios wrote:
> Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks...
Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "arbitrary"?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary
The distinction isn't arbitrary. It's a design decision.
A
On 09/11/2012 09:01 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
May I ask why you keep making incorrect statements for which you
apologize later anyway?
Hi
Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks...
Greetings
--
Maderios
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM, maderios wrote:
>> 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it.
>
> The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files
Not arbitrarily, but on purpose and by design.
May I ask why you keep making incorrect statements for which yo
On 09/10/2012 11:30 PM, Daniel Hauck wrote:
I too have ranted about this topic. Not to get into it again, I would
like to point out a couple of things:
1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it.
The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf
and othe
On 09/10/2012 07:09 PM, Simon Budig wrote:
Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote:
And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while
the user community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur.
See, here you're disregarding my assertion that we got a lot of positive
feedbac
On 09/10/2012 06:57 PM, Simon Budig wrote:
Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote:
On 9/10/2012 9:32 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of
amateurs who create software professional vocation.
See? This is
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
wrote:
>
> We just did something some people don't like. Therefore for them the
> rest doesn't matter and probably doesn't even exist. Hence all the
> talks about reaility.
'Probably doesn't even exist' is probably the quote of the year on thi
I too have ranted about this topic. Not to get into it again, I would
like to point out a couple of things:
1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it.
2. This is not a show-stopper in any sense of the word.
and sorta 3. Someone has created some sort of script which restore
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:15:08 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
>
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Bruno wrote:
>
>> I wonder, who gave
you credentials to speak "in the name of the community"?
>
> Bruno,
>
> We are dealing with the "it stands to reason" kind of logic. It
isn't
> possible t
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Bruno wrote:
> I wonder, who gave you credentials to speak "in the name of the
> community"?
Bruno,
We are dealing with the "it stands to reason" kind of logic. It isn't
possible to argue against it. You can laugh at it, or you can ignore
it. That's pretty much
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Ken Warner wrote:
> You know, like Forest Gump says [paraphrased] Amateur is as amateur does.
>
> And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user
> community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur.
>
And your insistence that any indi
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Simon Budig wrote:
> (although I don't understand the "vocation" word there).
Anruf?
> I was referring
> to the insinuation that we - as the developers - are just amateurs not
> dealing with reality and hence do things the wrong way.
>
> Yes, I do take offense in
Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote:
> And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while
> the user community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur.
See, here you're disregarding my assertion that we got a lot of positive
feedback, Alexandre even pointed to a small part o
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:03:35 -0700, Ken Warner wrote:
> You know,
like Forest Gump says [paraphrased] Amateur is as amateur does.
>
> And
your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user
community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur.
I wonder, who gave
you creden
You know, like Forest Gump says [paraphrased] Amateur is as amateur does.
And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user
community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur.
On 9/10/2012 9:57 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote:
On 9/1
Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote:
> On 9/10/2012 9:32 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
> >maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >>Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of
> >>amateurs who create software professional vocation.
> >
> >See? This is what I was referring to.
>
>
Just because the English doesn't meet your standards doesn't mean the viewpoint
is invalid. And maybe your refusal to see the thought in the message is the
root of the discord.
On 9/10/2012 9:32 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
Because you're not dealing with reali
On 09/10/2012 06:32 PM, Simon Budig wrote:
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of
amateurs who create software professional vocation.
See? This is what I was referring to.
Historically, tools and software are improved by professio
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:27 PM, maderios wrote:
> On 09/10/2012 06:19 PM, Simon Budig wrote:
>> We got a lot of negative feedback, unfortunately most of it was
>> incoherent write-only-rambling, which makes it hard to listen to. If
>> you're masochistic, go to the gimp-devel archives and read the
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of
> amateurs who create software professional vocation.
See? This is what I was referring to.
Bye,
Simon
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On 09/10/2012 06:19 PM, Simon Budig wrote:
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
Developers gentlemen, thank you for listening to the users who
actually use Gimp to work. Listen to their needs. Practice, there is
all that counts and not the theoretical ideas completely divorced
from reality.
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Developers gentlemen, thank you for listening to the users who
> actually use Gimp to work. Listen to their needs. Practice, there is
> all that counts and not the theoretical ideas completely divorced
> from reality.
We got a lot of negative feedback, unfort
Hi
State of mind ... I am willing to change things if it is an improvement
but if the change causes a regression, I do not see the point unless I
was masochistic.
For people to understand: I spent a lot of time experimenting on my
Linux system new programs, new functions, with bugs. It was for
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