On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:13 PM, maderios wrote:
Earlier today:
This error takes away Gimp-2.8 of the world of the professional_s_.
And now:
What you call safety belt/hard hat is useless for _me_...
This is the main problem I have with your argumentation: talking for
many people, while
On 08/14/2012 08:07 AM, Ken Warner wrote:
1) What if saving a flattened image is exactly what I want to do.
It's easy - just export it
2) It is not exactly true that further work is near impossible.
But without the layers saved separately it's a lot more complex
-- of course, depending on
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:45:48 +0200
From: ofn...@laposte.net
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On 08/13/2012 09:09 PM, maderios wrote:
On 08/13/2012 09:00 PM, Archie Arevalo wrote
1) Well then, if I open a jpg file and make layers and paths etc. and want to
save my work, why is it anathema to export it as an XCF file?
2) Your assumption is that there are layers after the image is flattened seems
odd.
On 8/14/2012 9:39 AM, Burnie West wrote:
On 08/14/2012 08:07 AM, Ken
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Ken Warner wrote:
1) Well then, if I open a jpg file and make layers and paths etc. and want
to save my work, why is it anathema to export it as an XCF file?
Gmail tells me there are 58 deleted messages in this conversation
(yes). That is, after 58 messages you
...and it still seems as if you have a reading comprehension problem.
I asked a simple question -- I think if you would take the time to try
and understand the question, you wouldn't be so insulting to people who
disagree with your design principles.
On 8/14/2012 12:21 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine
On 08/14/2012 09:21 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Ken Warner wrote:
1) Well then, if I open a jpg file and make layers and paths etc. and want
to save my work, why is it anathema to export it as an XCF file?
Gmail tells me there are 58 deleted messages in
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:40 PM, maderios wrote:
Only a native file format and a lossy file format ?
Hum (in french, sorry)
Native for who ?
61 deleted messages later you finally started asking the right kind of
questions :)
As already explained on a frigging huge amount of occasions
On Tuesday 14 August 2012 21:40:24 maderios wrote:
On 08/14/2012 09:21 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Ken Warner wrote:
1) Well then, if I open a jpg file and make layers and paths etc. and
want
to save my work, why is it anathema to export it as an XCF
,
that's how Audacity does the same thing and he said, That's also
how Photoshop does it.
Please. Truce.
Thanks-
Jim Clark
From:
Ken Warner kwarner...@verizon.net
To:
Cc:
gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Date:
08/12/2012 12:01 PM
Subject:
Re: [Gimp-user]
Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:55:05 -0500, Jim Clark wrote:
Are you
saying you would like to see the thousands/millions of contented users
say so? Please don't encourage that! (Though I am one.) My mail box is
already full to overflowing with this discussion that is clearly going
nowhere. Remember
On 08/13/2012 03:55 PM, Jim Clark wrote:
I have just downloaded a sound processing program called Audacity.
Putzed around, hit save and was told This will save in Audacity's
native format; for wave files use 'Export'. I was telling my son
about the grief the developers were taking and,
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:58 PM, maderios wrote:
On 08/13/2012 03:55 PM, Jim Clark wrote:
You confuse professional and amateur work.
I'm Audacity user. It works well for amateurs, not for professionnal
people.
I hate to tell you, but Audacity is extensively used in the
professional
On Monday 13 August 2012 18:58:24 maderios wrote:
On 08/13/2012 03:55 PM, Jim Clark wrote:
I have just downloaded a sound processing program called Audacity.
Putzed around, hit save and was told This will save in Audacity's
native format; for wave files use 'Export'. I was telling my son
On Monday 13 August 2012 21:05:23 Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:58 PM, maderios wrote:
On 08/13/2012 03:55 PM, Jim Clark wrote:
You confuse professional and amateur work.
I'm Audacity user. It works well for amateurs, not for professionnal
people.
On 08/13/2012 07:43 PM, Archie Arevalo wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2012 18:58:24 maderios wrote:
On 08/13/2012 03:55 PM, Jim Clark wrote:
I have just downloaded a sound processing program called Audacity.
Putzed around, hit save and was told This will save in Audacity's
native format;
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:09 PM, maderios wrote:
LibreOffice is another good example. If you open a .doc and Save,
it will ask you if you want to save it in native Open Document format.
Libreoffice doesnt ask you...
Oh, but it does ask you whether you really want to save to .doc
instead of
But, continuing to *argue* here is fruitless.
This is most certainly and sadly true.
On 8/13/2012 11:20 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* maderiosmader...@gmail.com [08-13-12 14:09]:
...
Libreoffice doesnt ask you, you choose or write what you want.
When you want to save with Libreoffice, or
On Monday 13 August 2012 11:35:38 Ken Warner wrote:
But, continuing to *argue* here is fruitless.
This is most certainly and sadly true.
How about looking at it this way...
We see the reasons behind the change, we were able to adapt to it.
Stating that GIMP that the changes are a
On 08/13/2012 09:00 PM, Archie Arevalo wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2012 11:35:38 Ken Warner wrote:
But, continuing to *argue* here is fruitless.
This is most certainly and sadly true.
How about looking at it this way...
We see the reasons behind the change
May you explain here the
On 08/13/2012 09:09 PM, maderios wrote:
On 08/13/2012 09:00 PM, Archie Arevalo wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2012 11:35:38 Ken Warner wrote:
But, continuing to *argue* here is fruitless.
This is most certainly and sadly true.
How about looking at it this way...
We see the reasons behind
On Monday 13 August 2012 21:09:33 maderios wrote:
On 08/13/2012 09:00 PM, Archie Arevalo wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2012 11:35:38 Ken Warner wrote:
But, continuing to *argue* here is fruitless.
This is most certainly and sadly true.
How about looking at it this way...
On 08/11/2012 11:40 PM, Gfxuser wrote:
On 11.08.12 at 23:19 maderios wrote:
For me, export word is useless and confusing. Export to what? To
jpeg, png, xcf, tiff ? It depends on the file where you start.
You could start with a jpeg and want to export to .xcf, or the
contrary
Hi
On 08/12/2012 04:43 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* maderiosmader...@gmail.com [08-12-12 10:06]:
...
The problem is not to understand ! All I know, all I see, is that the
change save and save as in Gimp-2.8 complicates my life too.
I use working method with Gimp-2.6 that allows me to save
On 12 August 2012 08:37, kiwi_steve for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
But I have to say, the amount of flak the developers are
taking about this is totally unjustified.
Then why are they getting it?
I've always heard you shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. We're
getting awesome software
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:03 AM, kiwi_steve wrote:
And judging from the number of people (myself included) who are still
annoyed about it and asking for it to be put back the way it was, the
questions and concerns are NOT being answered - unless you call
telling people to just get used to it
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Hauck wrote:
The name Jesus is correctly pronounced [hey-soos'].
Oh boy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Etymology_of_name
I think it's pretty clear what users and developers want and they aren't the
same.
There we go again. Let me reinstate
but you will make us grumpier and less willing to work on the project
Please don't get grumpy, because GIMP is GREAT and its moving forward. I am
looking forward to higher bit processing...
I wish at times we could close some threads as I am getting a little tied of
deleting emails, forums
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Daniel Hauck wrote:
Why, in the File-Save as... dialog do other graphical file formats appear
in the file browsing? If this is to be a consistent behavior, why taunt the
user (and his expectations) by showing them *.JPG and other files and then
not allow them
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM, daniel wrote:
Is there any reason you skipped over the part about the damage caused by
deviations from the accepted standard for user interface behavior and how it
affects not only the user work flow in GiMP but also in other programs a
user may use at the
So please, don't count my silence so far as indifference...
Likewise... my silence is not indifference... I LOVE the new behavior. For
what I do most, which is creating/editing images with multiple layer/mask
support, the change is EXTREMELY welcome.
First you have gotten rid of the
On Sunday 12 August 2012 21:02:07 Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM, daniel wrote:
Is there any reason you skipped over the part about the damage caused by
deviations from the accepted standard for user interface behavior and how
it affects not only the user work
Hi
This message is addressed to developers.
New Gimp-2.8 would be a good tool but it is unusable for me. Example: I
use, hundreds of times per hour, the functions save and save as,
indifferently on .png. xcf or .jpeg. To this end, I set two keyboard
shortcuts with one finger: save=s and save
How about using the corresponding export commands or binding them to
your preferred keys? It doesn't do xcf but this may be acceptable if you
mostly export to an image format.
Andreas
Am 11.08.2012 20:15, schrieb maderios:
Hi
This message is addressed to developers.
New Gimp-2.8 would be a
Maybe you can tell us more about what you are doing. I might suspect
that it is a repetitive task that could be automated with a script. Let
us know if you need help on that.
Andreas
Am 11.08.2012 20:15, schrieb maderios:
Hi
This message is addressed to developers.
New Gimp-2.8 would be a
On 08/11/2012 09:58 PM, Andreas Lemke wrote:
Maybe you can tell us more about what you are doing. I might suspect
that it is a repetitive task that could be automated with a script.
Let us know if you need help on that.
Andreas
Hi
No repetitive task (happily !). I create images. It's just
On 11.08.2012 22:51, maderios wrote:
Hi
No repetitive task (happily !). I create images. It's just art... Ex, I
need to edit and save many versions of the same image. I use different
format, png, xcf, jpeg. That's why Gimp has become so complicated for me
to use, compared to 2.6
But that
On 08/11/2012 10:59 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:
On 11.08.2012 22:51, maderios wrote:
Hi
No repetitive task (happily !). I create images. It's just art... Ex, I
need to edit and save many versions of the same image. I use different
format, png, xcf, jpeg. That's why Gimp has become so
On 11.08.12 at 23:19 maderios wrote:
For me, export word is useless and confusing. Export to what? To
jpeg, png, xcf, tiff ? It depends on the file where you start.
You could start with a jpeg and want to export to .xcf, or the
contrary
Hi Maderios,
the 'save and export' behaviour as
And judging from the number of people (myself included) who are still annoyed
about it and asking for it to be put back the way it was, the questions and
concerns are NOT being answered - unless you call telling people to just get
used to it because thats how it is now a solution.
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