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For what it's worth, I will also appreciate a tutorial on this as I am new to using Gimp and need all the help I can get :-) Thanks Ben Crowder wrote: > On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Steve Rogers wrote: > > > Is this typical of the way you people behave here? or is this individual an > > exception? I am willing to do tutorials and help people, but if this is the > > kind of nonsense this list generates, I won't waste my time. I have better > > things to do than be flamed by idiots. > > Whoever flamed you is both an idiot and an exception. Ignore him or her > and please write your tutorial (I can't wait for it!). Flames from jerks > should be deleted instantly -- replying to them is a waste of time, and > continuing flame wars is just as much of a waste of time. Ignoring them > is the best policy. > > Later, > Ben
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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Jon Winters wrote: > > I'm all up for learning how to ray-trace too. But first I would like to > learn how to pull off those 'glassy' effects in Gimp. > Off on a tangent here, but if you want to do raytracing under Linux, check out povray. It's very cool. -- Alex HarfordAlcohol and calculus don't mix. http://www.dowco.com/~alexh Don't drink and derive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (604) 225-0601
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Jon Winters wrote: > > Ah! An Amigan! I seem to remember something on /. the other day about > one of the better graphics packages for the Amiga being ported to > linux. (not opensource tho) I think it is PhotoGenics that is beeing ported. It's the program that I realy miss now that I don't have an Amiga anymore. Olle Viksten -- |()|()|()|()|()|()|()| |()|Coito ergo sum|()| |()|()|()|()|()|()|()|
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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Steve Rogers wrote: > Is this typical of the way you people behave here? or is this individual an > exception? I am willing to do tutorials and help people, but if this is the > kind of nonsense this list generates, I won't waste my time. I have better > things to do than be flamed by idiots. Whoever flamed you is both an idiot and an exception. Ignore him or her and please write your tutorial (I can't wait for it!). Flames from jerks should be deleted instantly -- replying to them is a waste of time, and continuing flame wars is just as much of a waste of time. Ignoring them is the best policy. Later, Ben
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Okay, let me clear something up before people make too many assumptions that are innaccurate. I did not READ this guys site at all. I went and looked at the graphics, and determined from a visual inspection, that there was nothing there that could not be done in Photoshop (probably GIMP as well) without the need for a 3D rendering package. There were maybe one or two exceptions to this, but as I was on my way out the door when I saw this message, I was not inclined to make long winded explanations or descriptions at the time. regardless, the transparent "gel" and bubble effects are easy. the "plate" backgrounds are easy and the appearance of reflections are also reasoanbly easy without the need for a rendering package to do them. To make a 100% definitive statement, I would need to take the time to sit down and dissect each one individually to evaluate the steps needed to reproduce them or a similar effect. Jon Winters wrote: Steve Rogers wrote: > > Rendering? not likely. He mentions he has dabbled in 3D apps but the core of what he does is done with photoshop. Since this guy is unwilling to share his secrets, where he used any rendering at all is rather pointless. Good technique will do virtually everything thing that was on his site with maybe one or two exceptions. Years ago Amiga artists created stunning graphics with Deluxe paint that took close examination to see that they were not in fact rendered in a 3d program they were so good. A number of images I did back then were quite popular and distributed through the Amiga community that depicted the different models of Amiga computers that looked rendered, I did those in Deluxe Paint GIMP is a far better tool than the paint programs Amiga used over a decade ago.
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Steve Rogers wrote: > > Apparently someone got quite offended by my posting to the list that the > graphics on this web site could be easily done in a graphics package like > GIMP, even though I offereed to post a tutorial on it as well. > > Is this typical of the way you people behave here? or is this individual an > exception? I am willing to do tutorials and help people, but if this is the > kind of nonsense this list generates, I won't waste my time. I have better > things to do than be flamed by idiots. I hope this is the exception rather than the rule. I'm new to this list and I do indeed want to see your tutorial. I'm all up for learning how to ray-trace too. But first I would like to learn how to pull off those 'glassy' effects in Gimp. If anyone out there on this list finds me making personal attacks in the future please take a moment to bitch-slap me and remind me why I joined the list. To learn about the Gimp and to share stuff I have learn with others. I hope that is why everyone else joined the list. -- Jon Winters visit the Obscura Lounge in OpenVerse http://www.openverse.org/
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Steve Rogers wrote: > > regardless, the transparent "gel" and bubble effects are easy. the > "plate" backgrounds are easy and the appearance of reflections are > also reasoanbly easy without the need for a rendering package to do > them. I've spent some time now working on it and I haven't produced anything worthy of showing to the list. I'm missing something and I don't know what. > To make a 100% definitive statement, I would need to take the time to > sit down and dissect each one individually to evaluate the steps > needed to reproduce them or a similar effect. Hope you can because I really want to know how to do this. > Since this guy is unwilling to share his secrets, where he used any > rendering at all is rather pointless. Good technique will do virtually > everything thing that was on his site with maybe one or two > exceptions. I agree completely. > Years ago Amiga artists created stunning graphics with Deluxe paint > that took close examination to see that they were not in fact rendered > in a 3d program they were so good. A number of images I did back then > were quite popular and distributed through the Amiga community that > depicted the different models of Amiga computers that looked rendered, > I did those in Deluxe Paint Ah! An Amigan! I seem to remember something on /. the other day about one of the better graphics packages for the Amiga being ported to linux. (not opensource tho) I gave my Amiga to a friend who still uses them. He did some work on it and then gave it to his girlfriend who used it to write all her papers in college. > GIMP is a far better tool than the paint programs Amiga used over a > decade ago. I've used a bunch of wacky programs over the years and I think its good. Knowing how to do things with more than one tool is a good thing. -- Jon Winters visit the Obscura Lounge in OpenVerse http://www.openverse.org/
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Apparently someone got quite offended by my posting to the list that the graphics on this web site could be easily done in a graphics package like GIMP, even though I offereed to post a tutorial on it as well. I thought it would be nice to contribute useful information after deleting dozens of useless posts at Amy for someones inability to unsubscribe. Was my comment about the graphics on this web site referenced below so offensive that I deserved this kind of response? the following was a portion of the exceedingly rude e-mail I got in private: "When you call someone a liar please get your facts straight." "cause you to to post distorted and incorrect information to the potential detriment of the rest of the list. Some people here might benefit from a knowledge of rendering and don't know much about it. You do a disservice to the list" Is this typical of the way you people behave here? or is this individual an exception? I am willing to do tutorials and help people, but if this is the kind of nonsense this list generates, I won't waste my time. I have better things to do than be flamed by idiots. Jon Winters wrote: > Hi, > > I've been subscribed now for a few weeks and I'm excited about this > list. > > Recently I ran across a web site that had some pretty impressive > graphics. (or so I thought) > > http://www.blueskyheart.com/ > > Nice stuff. His "trademark style" of the translucent plastic or glass > looking button/lens thingie is what really leaps off the screen and > grabbs my attention. > > Unfortunately this guys parents didn't teach him to share and he wants > to keep his techniques a secret.
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Steve Rogers wrote: > > Rendering? not likely. He mentions he has dabbled in 3D apps but the core of what he does is done with photoshop. > There is nothing there that indicates this at all. > > The transparent "gel" bubbles are a very easy effect to create in a paint > program and the backgrounds and metallics can easily be done using masks and > layers. We've got to have the reflections too. He mentions he uses the same 'stock photograph' to produce them. > If anyone is really interested, I could whip up a quick tutorial how to do > the same thing. I'm interested for two reasons... One: The effect is cool and I want to know how to do it. two: The dude refuses to put up a tutorial. We know other folks out there want to know how so a tutorial would be a big hit. (ok, part of me just wants to show that his 'gimmick' can be done by us using free software) Hope we can set a good example that sharing knowledge is better than hoarding it. :-) Thanks -- Jon Winters visit the Obscura Lounge in OpenVerse http://www.openverse.org/
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Okay, I got a lot more responses on this than I thought I would. Being new to GIMP< I have not really seen a lot of resources for it, at least not real in depth ones. I will have a web-site up shortly with a GIMP page with nothing but tutorials on how to do stuff like the items people questioned. As I am in special effects work also, and if there is interest, I will upload tutorials on other subjects as well.
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Rendering? not likely. There is nothing there that indicates this at all. The transparent "gel" bubbles are a very easy effect to create in a paint program and the backgrounds and metallics can easily be done using masks and layers. If anyone is really interested, I could whip up a quick tutorial how to do the same thing. Steve Morris wrote: > Jon Winters writes: > > http://www.blueskyheart.com/ > > > > Nice stuff. His "trademark style" of the translucent plastic or glass > > looking button/lens thingie is what really leaps off the screen and > > grabbs my attention. > > Hey he's a Mac guy. What do you expect. :) > > Seriously the most obvious solution is to use a ray-trace rendering > package. It looks rendered to my inexperienced eye. Notice that > everything has that soft plastic look with high quality highlights and > reflections. Ray-trace software does an excellent job on plastics and > translucent objects. That combination of refraction, diffusion and > reflection is a speciality. > > He does mention rendering on his page.
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Jon Winters writes: > http://www.blueskyheart.com/ > > Nice stuff. His "trademark style" of the translucent plastic or glass > looking button/lens thingie is what really leaps off the screen and > grabbs my attention. Hey he's a Mac guy. What do you expect. :) Seriously the most obvious solution is to use a ray-trace rendering package. It looks rendered to my inexperienced eye. Notice that everything has that soft plastic look with high quality highlights and reflections. Ray-trace software does an excellent job on plastics and translucent objects. That combination of refraction, diffusion and reflection is a speciality. He does mention rendering on his page.
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Hi, I've been subscribed now for a few weeks and I'm excited about this list. Recently I ran across a web site that had some pretty impressive graphics. (or so I thought) http://www.blueskyheart.com/ Nice stuff. His "trademark style" of the translucent plastic or glass looking button/lens thingie is what really leaps off the screen and grabbs my attention. Unfortunately this guys parents didn't teach him to share and he wants to keep his techniques a secret. http://www.blueskyheart.com/data.html"> I get requests to post tutorials. Thanks, but sorry...it's not that kind of site and I'm not that kinda guy. : ) With that in mind I would be interested in picking the collective brain of this list to figure out how to do this in the Gimp! (It must not be too hard because the dude is worried about keeping it a secret) Post your ideas and links to examples here. If we can figure it out I'll be happy to put together and host a web tutorial. We don't need his stinking tutorial! We can make our own. ;-) -- Jon Winters visit the Obscura Lounge in OpenVerse http://www.openverse.org/
