Re: Refresh database (Re: Picture/screen size)
hi, > Yes but this would involve knowing exactly how to come up with the right > modeline. A single typo here can fry a monitor. old ones, yes - almost all new monitors just cut out - most even put an OSD up saying its out of range > I have a hard believing this as Windows, for 90% of video manufacturers, has > incredible video support and changing refresh rates is very easy. Select > the refresh rate you want from a drop down list. - usually only with 3rd party (ie the gfx card maker) attachments to the display properties > My ADI monitor has an LED that show what mode it is in and I have much wider > range of choices under Windows than I do under Xfree. XF86Config is the file you want to edit.. you can quite easily make 10x more modes than windows will give you (though why you'd want to is beyond me! whats wrong with just one single 1600x1200 on a 19"? :-)) alan
Re: Refresh database (Re: Picture/screen size)
Marc Lehmann wrote: > On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 03:56:39PM +0200, "Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anybody know how to move the refresh data from Windows to XFree? Is > > there any kind of formula (simple, if possible)? A full database of scan > > lines? Does XFree 4 come with exact settings or still under powered? > > You can set any refresh rate and resolution your hardware and software > allows, in both xfree 3 and 4. Just edit your XF86Config and adjust the > modelines. > Is there a good 'manual' somewhere, where I can read about how to "adjust the modelines". Only thing I for sure know/has seen is a lot of warnings about damage to your system when making faults. I have a tool (part of the Mandrake 7.0) where I can make these adjustments, and then one can cut/paste the informations gathered into 'the right file' ! but how? which file? and how to tell my system to use that? - as you can se, I am a truly newbee. > > xfree4 can make use of ddc, and most monitors underestimate their > powers. For example, I have a very hard time of getting anything better > than 70hz under windows. Without the matrox control panel I can't even > force refresh settings, so windows is by far worse than linux :| > Quite another story - I only have windows installed because of my daughter (9) her games demand it - I have spent at lest 2-3 days trying to make it stable, until someone told me, that the newest drivers from Matrox would solve it. They did - only locks it up during log-off, so that I have to shut-off manually, with the 'nagging' message = long time boot-up as result - and people still can't understand why I don't love windows. Mogens Jæger
Re: Refresh database (Re: Picture/screen size)
"Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero" wrote: > >XF ver. 4. I am not uite satisfied with it now, because my combination of > >Matrox G400/16 MB and ViewSonic 17" only gives me 75 Hz refresh (the M$ gives > >87 Hz) so I hope the ver. 4 will help a little. > > I am a bit feed up with this, specially cos all people complain that "in > Windows I get X but in Linux I get less" Hey Sorry for making you upset - I should have written, that my monitor is specified to give 87 HZ - M$ actually says 85 Hz. Mogens Jæger
Re: Refresh database (Re: Picture/screen size)
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 03:49:28PM -0400, Luc Bouchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > allows, in both xfree 3 and 4. Just edit your XF86Config and adjust the > > modelines. > > Yes but this would involve knowing exactly how to come up with the right > modeline. A single typo here can fry a monitor. I think that's quite exaggerating. Frying monitors is equally simple under other windowing systems (e.g. windows), and changing a _single_ number (which is all that is required to change refresh rate) is not at all difficult. > I have a hard believing this as Windows, for 90% of video manufacturers, has > incredible video support and changing refresh rates is very easy. Select > the refresh rate you want from a drop down list. Well, with X you actually have to edit a file, yes... :*> > than most people. But I cannot fault them on their suppor/configuration > when it comes to video and only wish that setting up my monitor under Xfree > were as easy. I wished setting up a video mode under windows were as easy as under X :( Fortunately, opinions vary ,-> > My ADI monitor has an LED that show what mode it is in and I have much wider > range of choices under Windows than I do under Xfree. If your hardware is supported you definitely have at leats as much choice as under xfree. And there are tools that allow you to customize modelines using a GUI interface. (Any responses will be answered in private to keep the clutter low on the list) -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Re: Refresh database (Re: Picture/screen size)
>> You can set any refresh rate and resolution your hardware and software >> allows, in both xfree 3 and 4. Just edit your XF86Config and adjust the >> modelines. >Yes but this would involve knowing exactly how to come up with the right >modeline. A single typo here can fry a monitor. Or in the best case, stress the circuitry that protects it and get lots of "Not Valid Scan Frec" via the On Screen Display (I have got some while testing). In any case, not nice. >> xfree4 can make use of ddc, and most monitors underestimate their >> powers. For example, I have a very hard time of getting anything better >> than 70hz under windows. Without the matrox control panel I can't even >> force refresh settings, so windows is by far worse than linux :| >I have a hard believing this as Windows, for 90% of video manufacturers, has >incredible video support and changing refresh rates is very easy. Select >the refresh rate you want from a drop down list. Of course, there are cases where XFree is better than Windows, like with an old #9 (S3 864 chip) I had years ago. But the point is other cases, and specially the easiness of improving the settings (I know the scan lines and such, and I have used the tool to move the screen, but not how to create scan lines with just the Hz and KHz freq). My Hitachi supports a lot of frequencies but Linux underuses it (I bought the one with highest limits for the size, so normal resolutions are quite good while 1600 is just unusable due Moire). And the G400 case is really pathetic (underclocking, yeah, cool!). >Don't get me wrong I can't stand Windows and hate Microsoft's arrogance more >than most people. But I cannot fault them on their suppor/configuration >when it comes to video and only wish that setting up my monitor under Xfree >were as easy. >My ADI monitor has an LED that show what mode it is in and I have much wider >range of choices under Windows than I do under Xfree. That is what I want, easy way to get the scan lines in XFree. I have found a site that was a database of monitors but now says that they have closed cos there are better sources. Where? What I currently have is not 100% good. And when you want to do 2D or 3D, perfect monitor / card pair is important (and in any case, your eyes are important, that was the reason I got an expensive monitor instead of an OEM one). GSR
Re: Refresh database (Re: Picture/screen size)
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Marc Lehmann wrote: > > You can set any refresh rate and resolution your hardware and software > allows, in both xfree 3 and 4. Just edit your XF86Config and adjust the > modelines. Yes but this would involve knowing exactly how to come up with the right modeline. A single typo here can fry a monitor. > xfree4 can make use of ddc, and most monitors underestimate their > powers. For example, I have a very hard time of getting anything better > than 70hz under windows. Without the matrox control panel I can't even > force refresh settings, so windows is by far worse than linux :| > I have a hard believing this as Windows, for 90% of video manufacturers, has incredible video support and changing refresh rates is very easy. Select the refresh rate you want from a drop down list. Don't get me wrong I can't stand Windows and hate Microsoft's arrogance more than most people. But I cannot fault them on their suppor/configuration when it comes to video and only wish that setting up my monitor under Xfree were as easy. My ADI monitor has an LED that show what mode it is in and I have much wider range of choices under Windows than I do under Xfree. YMMV -- Luc Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nepean, ON, Canada
Re: Refresh database (Re: Picture/screen size)
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 03:56:39PM +0200, "Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anybody know how to move the refresh data from Windows to XFree? Is > there any kind of formula (simple, if possible)? A full database of scan > lines? Does XFree 4 come with exact settings or still under powered? You can set any refresh rate and resolution your hardware and software allows, in both xfree 3 and 4. Just edit your XF86Config and adjust the modelines. > I am a bit feed up with this, specially cos all people complain that "in > Windows I get X but in Linux I get less" when the problem is not about > forcing but setting the right numbers. xfree4 can make use of ddc, and most monitors underestimate their powers. For example, I have a very hard time of getting anything better than 70hz under windows. Without the matrox control panel I can't even force refresh settings, so windows is by far worse than linux :| -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Refresh database (Re: Picture/screen size)
>XF ver. 4. I am not uite satisfied with it now, because my combination of >Matrox G400/16 MB and ViewSonic 17" only gives me 75 Hz refresh (the M$ gives >87 Hz) so I hope the ver. 4 will help a little. Do not ask me why, but XFree is always very conservative with the refresh rates. Another example is the chipset clock, it also gives less than the maximum. In the end, your machine works below the limit but I doubt any damage is avoided. An example of this is that XFree gives worse results than in other OSs, but with tools like the one for G400 you get the same (and no overclocking, just normal clocking). Does anybody know how to move the refresh data from Windows to XFree? Is there any kind of formula (simple, if possible)? A full database of scan lines? Does XFree 4 come with exact settings or still under powered? I am a bit feed up with this, specially cos all people complain that "in Windows I get X but in Linux I get less" when the problem is not about forcing but setting the right numbers. GSR
Re: Picture/screen size
> I have tried with different image-sizes, and I have to correct the example > 1000*1000. Images up to 1024*768 are shown in 100%, where larger are zoomed. > But the problem is, that there is no 'space' left for frames, rulers, etc. Ok, this coincides with what should be happening much better, so your X server is not at fault. The problem of how to handle window decorations is somewhat tricky, since these vary widely between wm's and we don't really have any control over them as a program (we can offer some hints, but wm's are free to ignore them). I've considered adding in ~20 pixels before, because screenshots don't do well as currently impemented. Might sneak this in there now that I see I'm not alone in feeling this is sub-optmial. > My second question about the 'printer-list' is 'meanwile' solved through an > install of version 3.0.? - it hasn't got that many, but mine is there. Don't know about the print-list; its really a separate problem, and you should probably contact the author directly with your bug report (or submit it to the gimp bug database, which will eventually route it there) Happy GIMPing, Seth Burgess
Re: Picture/screen size
Seth Burgess wrote: > What window manager/X Server/gtk+ are you using? Gimp attempts to make the > original image no larger than 3/4 the max dimension on a resize that > would put the dimension outside the dimension of the screen... > (it won't shrink something 7/8 the screen for instance). If its not > detecting that 1000x1000 is out, I'd suspect the X Server lying to us > about what the dimensions of the screen really are, which we can't do > much about. Hello Seth First thanks for your quick reply. I am using Mandrake 7.0, with the KDE-1.1.2, using XFree86 ver 3.3.6. My Gtk+ is ver 1.2.7 (I hope it was what you asked for - my english/understanding terms is not that good) I am going to shortly upgrade to Mandrake 7.1 with the XF ver. 4. I am not uite satisfied with it now, because my combination of Matrox G400/16 MB and ViewSonic 17" only gives me 75 Hz refresh (the M$ gives 87 Hz) so I hope the ver. 4 will help a little. I have tried with different image-sizes, and I have to correct the example 1000*1000. Images up to 1024*768 are shown in 100%, where larger are zoomed. But the problem is, that there is no 'space' left for frames, rulers, etc. > > It also tries to recenter some things, but I'm not sure the logic on > this is 100% correct in current gimp. I'm looking at it while trying > to figure out how/where to detect if an image resize was successful (the > wm spec says apps need to respect that all resize requests may not be > granted). > My second question about the 'printer-list' is 'meanwile' solved through an install of version 3.0.? - it hasn't got that many, but mine is there. Thanks Mogens Jæger
Re: Picture/screen size
What window manager/X Server/gtk+ are you using? Gimp attempts to make the original image no larger than 3/4 the max dimension on a resize that would put the dimension outside the dimension of the screen... (it won't shrink something 7/8 the screen for instance). If its not detecting that 1000x1000 is out, I'd suspect the X Server lying to us about what the dimensions of the screen really are, which we can't do much about. It also tries to recenter some things, but I'm not sure the logic on this is 100% correct in current gimp. I'm looking at it while trying to figure out how/where to detect if an image resize was successful (the wm spec says apps need to respect that all resize requests may not be granted). Regards, Seth Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Mogens Jæger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [000611 17:31]: > Hello list. > I have got a problem, that havn't changed throug the different versions > I have had (1.0.4 - 1.1.23). > Sometimes when I opens a picture that are larger than the screen - say > 1000*1000 on my 1024*768 screen - the picture is shown in actual size, > so that a part of it lies outsides the screen, and I have to drag from > top, to minimize the frame, and then 'lift' it upwards so I can se the > 'bottom'. How can I tell the Gimp, that my screen is only 1024*768 > pixels great. First time in use after install/compile, I gave it all > needed informations. In preferences I have checked 'Monitor/Get Monitor > Resolution/From X-server'. > The same happens, when I want to choose a printer - the new 'print > v3.1.4' - has so many printers 'avaible' that the list continues outside > my screen - and it is not possible to move the list. My printer (Epson > Stylus Photo) lies as number 12 outsides - I get there by counting > strokes on the down-arrow. Is it some way possible to shorten the list - > say all Canon printers in my case? > Help is greatly apreciated > Mogens Jæger
