On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Michael J Gruber
wrote:
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> Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 05.11.2012 16:22:
>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Michael J Gruber
>> wrote:
>>> Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 17:09:
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12
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Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 05.11.2012 16:22:
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Michael J Gruber
> wrote:
>> Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 17:09:
>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Michael J Gruber
>>> wrote:
> There is no lack of openn
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Michael J Gruber
> wrote:
>> For one thing, contributors on the kernel list are open to technical
>> arguments, and that includes the arguments of others; just like we are
>> here. On the other hand, you s
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Michael J Gruber
wrote:
> Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 19:01:
>> I talked with some people in #mercurial, and apparently there is a
>> concept of a 'changelog' that is supposed to store these changes, but
>> since the format has changed, the cont
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Michael J Gruber
wrote:
> Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 17:09:
>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Michael J Gruber
>> wrote:
>>> Andreas Ericsson venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 10:38:
On 11/01/2012 02:46 PM, René Scharfe wrote:
>
>
Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 19:01:
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Jeff King wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 05:08:52AM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>>
> Turns out msysgit's remote-hg is not exporting the
Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 17:09:
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Michael J Gruber
> wrote:
>> Andreas Ericsson venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 10:38:
>>> On 11/01/2012 02:46 PM, René Scharfe wrote:
Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, "Jedem das Seine" (to eac
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>
>> As a rule, I don't see much value in writing a framework that works
>> only for one case, that smells more like over-engineering. If we had
>> two cases (hg and bzr), then we m
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Thomas Adam wrote:
> On 2 November 2012 18:39, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> I disagree. The open source process works not by making favors to each
>> other, but by everyone sharing and improving the code, by
>> *collaborating*. "I review your code if you review mine
On 2 November 2012 18:39, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> I disagree. The open source process works not by making favors to each
> other, but by everyone sharing and improving the code, by
> *collaborating*. "I review your code if you review mine", or "if you
> by me a bear in the next conference" is no
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> As a rule, I don't see much value in writing a framework that works
> only for one case, that smells more like over-engineering. If we had
> two cases (hg and bzr), then we might be able to know with a modicum
> of certainty what such a fr
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Jeff King wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 05:11:39PM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> > As a patch
>> > submitter, you ("generic you") want the attention of others as
>> > reviewers. It's in your own (again "generic you") interest not to put
>> > them off, in th
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Jeff King wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 05:08:52AM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>
>>> > Turns out msysgit's remote-hg is not exporting the whole repository,
>>> > that's why it's faster =/
>>>
>>> It
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Jeff King wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 05:08:52AM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> > Turns out msysgit's remote-hg is not exporting the whole repository,
>> > that's why it's faster =/
>>
>> It seems the reason is that it would only export to the point where
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Michael J Gruber
wrote:
> Andreas Ericsson venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 10:38:
>> On 11/01/2012 02:46 PM, René Scharfe wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, "Jedem das Seine" (to each
>>> his own) was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration c
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 05:08:52AM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > Turns out msysgit's remote-hg is not exporting the whole repository,
> > that's why it's faster =/
>
> It seems the reason is that it would only export to the point where
> the branch is checked out. After updating the to the t
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 05:11:39PM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > As a patch
> > submitter, you ("generic you") want the attention of others as
> > reviewers. It's in your own (again "generic you") interest not to put
> > them off, in the same way as it's up to the submitter to argue why a
> >
Andreas Ericsson venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 10:38:
> On 11/01/2012 02:46 PM, René Scharfe wrote:
>>
>> Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, "Jedem das Seine" (to each
>> his own) was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp. For
>> that reason some (including me) hear the unspoken c
On 11/01/2012 02:46 PM, René Scharfe wrote:
>
> Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, "Jedem das Seine" (to each
> his own) was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp. For
> that reason some (including me) hear the unspoken cynical
> half-sentence "and some people just have to be sent
Junio C Hamano wrote:
> We've been hoping we can do without a rigid code of conduct written
> down to maintain cordial community focused on technical merits, and
> instead relied on people's common sense, but sense may not be so
> common, unfortunately, so we may have to have one.
I think that ex
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Martin Langhoff
wrote:
> Felipe,
>
> I'll invite you to reread some of your words:
>
>> That being said, I did wonder what must be going through his mind to
>> not see that as obvious,
> (...)
>
>> Following the guideline of always assuming good faith
>
> So perhaps
Felipe,
I'll invite you to reread some of your words:
> That being said, I did wonder what must be going through his mind to
> not see that as obvious,
(...)
> Following the guideline of always assuming good faith
So perhaps it does apply that you could try to assume good
intellectual faith in
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:46 PM, René Scharfe
wrote:
> Am 01.11.2012 03:58, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>>>
>>> Johannes Schindelin wrote:
>>>
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> It doesn't get any more obvious than
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:46 AM, René Scharfe
wrote:
> You probably didn't intend it, but your sentences at the top can be read
> more like: "This is a logical consequence. If you don't understand that,
> your mental capabilities must be lacking.". That's obviously (ha!) a rude
> thing to say.
+
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:46 PM, René Scharfe
wrote:
> Also, and I'm sure you didn't know that, "Jedem das Seine" (to each his own)
> was the slogan of the Buchenwald concentration camp. For that reason some
> (including me) hear the unspoken cynical half-sentence "and some people just
> have to b
Am 01.11.2012 03:58, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
Johannes Schindelin wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
It doesn't get any more obvious than that. But to each his own.
In my opinion, Jonathan does not deserve any of suc
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>
>> How about performance?
>
>> 174.038642915 seconds time elapsed
>>
>> Compared to;
>
>> 340.976843750 seconds time elapsed
>>
>> Looks like there's something to impr
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Johannes Schindelin wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>
>>> It doesn't get any more obvious than that. But to each his own.
>>
>>In my opinion, Jonathan does not deserve any of such condescending
>>words.
>>But maybe t
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>
>
> Johannes Schindelin wrote:
>
>>Junio wanted a more general solution, adding infrastructure to the
>>rev-list engine that I did not need -- and did not see the need for,
>>either -- and given the amount of time I had invested in a working
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>
>
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>>And finally, what do more do you expect me to do? About the code, and
>>only the code.
>
> The analysis that does in the log messages is an important part of "code" in
> this project, so that may be a good pl
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Daniel Barkalow wrote:
> I think that may be true where you have "next" in both places, but I
> think:
>
> $ git checkout -b new-branch master
> $ git fast-export ^master new-branch
>
> ought to emit no "commit" lines, but needs to emit a "reset" line. After
> all
Johannes Schindelin wrote:
>Junio wanted a more general solution, adding infrastructure to the
>rev-list engine that I did not need -- and did not see the need for,
>either -- and given the amount of time I had invested in a working
>remote-hg and given that I needed it desperately for my day-j
Johannes Schindelin wrote:
>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> It doesn't get any more obvious than that. But to each his own.
>
>In my opinion, Jonathan does not deserve any of such condescending
>words.
>But maybe the Git maintainers are okay with such a tone on this list?
Agr
Felipe Contreras wrote:
>And finally, what do more do you expect me to do? About the code, and
>only the code.
The analysis that does in the log messages is an important part of "code" in
this project, so that may be a good place to start. Both Jonathan and J6t asked
specific updates to your
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> > Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Johannes Schindelin
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>> I just tested this with junio/next and it seems this issue is still
> >>> un
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Johannes Schindelin
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> It doesn't get any more obvious than that. But to each his own.
>
> In my opinion, Jonathan does not deserve any of such condescending words.
> But maybe the Git maintainers are
Hi,
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> It doesn't get any more obvious than that. But to each his own.
In my opinion, Jonathan does not deserve any of such condescending words.
But maybe the Git maintainers are okay with such a tone on this list?
Hth,
Johannes
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> How about performance?
> 174.038642915 seconds time elapsed
>
> Compared to;
> 340.976843750 seconds time elapsed
>
> Looks like there's something to improve in this area, but I wouldn't
> be surprised if the reason for the be
Hi,
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Johannes Schindelin
>> wrote:
>
>>> I just tested this with junio/next and it seems this issue is still
>>> unfixed: instead of
>>>
>>> reset refs/heads/blub
>>>
Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Johannes Schindelin
> wrote:
>> I just tested this with junio/next and it seems this issue is still
>> unfixed: instead of
>>
>> reset refs/heads/blub
>> from e7510461b7db54b181d07acced0ed3b1ada072c8
>>
>> I get
>>
>>
Hi,
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Johannes Schindelin
wrote:
>> - What disadvantages? If this implementation goes into git.git,
>> the msysgit one is likely to wane in popularity. What will we be
>> losing by doing so? If the answer is not "nothing", how hard would
>> it be to p
Hi Peff,
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Jeff King wrote:
> I really like some of the directions the series is taking, and as the
> maintainer, I'd like to pick it up.
Code-wise, I agree.
> But there is a big question mark for me still about how it relates to
> the work in msysgit, especially:
>
> - Wh
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Michael J Gruber
wrote:
> Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 31.10.2012 16:39:
>> Didn't think so. The truth of the matter is that it doesn't matter
>> what I do code-wise.
>
> Just try, seriously.
All right.
First of all, I clone the repositories pointed out:
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Michael J Gruber
wrote:
> Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 31.10.2012 16:39:
>
>> This is precisely ad hominem; you are ignoring the code, not because
>> of the code, because of the person. This is as ad hominem as it gets.
>
> I am not rejecting your code (I r
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Jeff King wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:30:50AM +0100, Michael J Gruber wrote:
>
>> For the record, Johannes is not the only one being kept from looking at
>> this series (further) by the tone of this discussion. Per hominem
>> attacks are neither profession
Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 31.10.2012 16:39:
> This is precisely ad hominem; you are ignoring the code, not because
> of the code, because of the person. This is as ad hominem as it gets.
I am not rejecting your code (I reviewed an early series) but reject the
communication style and ma
Hi,
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Michael J Gruber
wrote:
> [quotes heavily cut down by me]
> Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 30.10.2012 21:15:
>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Johannes Schindelin
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>>
But you mentioned
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:30:50AM +0100, Michael J Gruber wrote:
> For the record, Johannes is not the only one being kept from looking at
> this series (further) by the tone of this discussion. Per hominem
> attacks are neither professional nor helpful. We prefer to discuss code
> here, just cod
[quotes heavily cut down by me]
Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 30.10.2012 21:15:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Johannes Schindelin
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>
>>> But you mentioned something about cooperation, and I've yet to see how
>>> is it th
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Johannes Schindelin
wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> But you mentioned something about cooperation, and I've yet to see how
>> is it that you are planning to cooperate. If you say you don't have time
>> to spend on this, I don't see w
Hi Felipe,
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> But you mentioned something about cooperation, and I've yet to see how
> is it that you are planning to cooperate. If you say you don't have time
> to spend on this, I don't see why I should worry about testing this
> series of patches.
I
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Johannes Schindelin
wrote:
> P.S.: I would still recommend to have a detailed look at the 'devel'
> branch, in particular the commits starting with "fast-export: do not refer
> to non-existing marks" and ending with "t5801: skip without hg". My
> understanding is
Hi all,
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012, Jeff King wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:47:04PM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
> > >> Yeah, the test script is not ready for merging, it needs to check
> > >> for python, hg, and hg-git.
> > >>
> > >> Do you have hg-git installed?
> > >
> > > No. But it's imp
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Jeff King wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:02:31PM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> > If remote-hg is going to live in contrib, it probably makes sense to
>> > have its tests live there, too, like subtree.
>>
>> Probably, I'll check that option.
>>
>> But ev
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:02:31PM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > If remote-hg is going to live in contrib, it probably makes sense to
> > have its tests live there, too, like subtree.
>
> Probably, I'll check that option.
>
> But eventually I think it should be installed by default, unless
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Jeff King wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:47:04PM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> >> Yeah, the test script is not ready for merging, it needs to check for
>> >> python, hg, and hg-git.
>> >>
>> >> Do you have hg-git installed?
>> >
>> > No. But it's import
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:47:04PM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> Yeah, the test script is not ready for merging, it needs to check for
> >> python, hg, and hg-git.
> >>
> >> Do you have hg-git installed?
> >
> > No. But it's important that it fail gracefully; I can't even take it in
> > pu i
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Jeff King wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 03:56:39PM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> >> I've ported the tests from hg-git and made sure that the output from
>> >> remote-hg
>> >> matches the output of hg-git. With these extensive tests I would consider
>> >
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 03:56:39PM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> I've ported the tests from hg-git and made sure that the output from
> >> remote-hg
> >> matches the output of hg-git. With these extensive tests I would consider
> >> this
> >> one ready for wide use. Not only do the tests p
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Jeff King wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 04:54:00AM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> I've ported the tests from hg-git and made sure that the output from
>> remote-hg
>> matches the output of hg-git. With these extensive tests I would consider
>> this
>> one
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 04:54:00AM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> I've ported the tests from hg-git and made sure that the output from remote-hg
> matches the output of hg-git. With these extensive tests I would consider this
> one ready for wide use. Not only do the tests pass, I've compared th
Hi,
I've ported the tests from hg-git and made sure that the output from remote-hg
matches the output of hg-git. With these extensive tests I would consider this
one ready for wide use. Not only do the tests pass, I've compared the generated
repos of a few projects, and the SHA-1's are exactly the
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