[Goanet]the issue of the Ribandar priest - response 2 to Advocate Aires Rodrigues
Dear Adv. Aires Rodrigues, Thank you for posting your Aug 12, 2004 letter to the Archbishop of Goa. If nothing else, hopefully His Grace's attention will be drawn to it - perhaps once again. Hopefully, the Archbishop will see it fit to take the necessary action - if warranted. Meanwhile, I await your responses to the questions I had put to you in my previous posting. After this note from me, I will take (atleast) a 72 hour break from posting on this subject - lest cyberGoans get Ribandar intoxication. Now, Adv. Rodrigues, please allow me to draw your attention to the CAPITALISED (by me) words from YOUR letter to the good Archbishop. Were you witness to the alleged events - as they unfolded ? If so . Why did you not step in and prevent this from happening to this 13 year old neighbour of yours? If not why did you choose such categoric words in your letter i.e. WAS CALLED, WAS CORNERED, ASKED, QUESTIONED, FONDLED, MOLESTED , ADMITTED ? Would you agree Advocate Rodrigues that (unless you were present at the events), You presented hearsay information to the Archbishop in terms which suggest that you were a material witness. BTW: Isn't fondling any 13 year old's private parts also molestation? and Did you advise the mother to take her 13 year old to be examined by a pediatrician asap? yours very sincerely jose ***excerpt from letter - FROM Aires Rodrigues to Archbishop Neri Ferrao August 12, 2004*** as posted by Aires Rodrigues on goanet Tue Jan 4 21:32:53 2005 Your Excellency, . On 24th December last year around 11.15 p.m. the daughter of one of my neighbour, 13 year old (name omitted) WAS CALLED to the Church under the guise of church activity. She WAS CORNERED by our Parish Priest who than ASKED her to submit herself to confession. Young, but street wise, (name omitted) QUESTIONED the logic of confession at that late hour of the night. A frustrated parish priest later FONDLED her private parts and MOLESTED this young girl. She was luckily to escape from the hands of the priest and was able to rush to the comfort of her mother (name omitted) who very promptly rushed to the church and questioned the Parish priest as to his outrageous conduct. The priest ADMITTED his fault but a mere apology will never erase the lifetime damage inflicted on this budding young girl and her family. Please feel free to speak to (name omitted and (name omitted), her mother. However, I am sure that this will not arise, as the Parish Priest will not have the audacity to deny the gruesome crime. ***end of excerpt please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Re: the issue of the Ribandar priest - a response to Advocate Aires Rodrigues
Aires Rodrigues wrote: I have neither tried or crucified the priest. I have MERELY religiously updated fellow netters of the progress and developments of the Ribandar Church molestation case ... (The) Priest against whom the Goa Police have registered an F.I.R for the offence of molestation continues to be just an accused and will remain so UNTIL if and when his trial COMMENCES. In the Goa Children's Act under which this case comes as the victim is a minor girl, it is for the accused to prove that he has NOT committed the alleged crime. I personally met the the Archibishop Rev. Felipe Neri Ferrao on August 12th last year and at his request gave him a written complaint about the affairs at the Ribandar Church. Not a word in reply. Dear Adv. Aires Rodrigues, Thank you for taking the time out to respond. I am a strong believer that the Law should take its own course, and that there should be NO preferential treatment for anyone, even be it an accused priest. However, I am really shocked to learn (from you) that according to the the Goa Children's Act of 2003, it is for the accused to prove that he has NOT committed the alleged crime. ALL I can say is WOW!! And you, as a lawyer, are comfortable with that? I strongly condemn any person who commits any act of Molestation against anybody - especially a child. I equally condemn any lawyer who sits comfortable with an Act which expects an accused to prove a negative. BTW: If there indeed is such a Law, dear Sir, that Law is a donkey. And, as a pediatrician who also has to deal with the medico-legal aspects of such cases, I express my gravest concerns. Trust me, this type of Act will not only wrongfully condemn innocent individuals, but also let go some very guilty folks. Now, you also write that you have neither tried or crucified the priest but MERELY religiously updated fellow netters of the progress and developments of the ...case For starters, I would have left the names out of the updates. Naming names causes an Abuse by itself. Now, please allow me to sift through your actions before deciding on your word MERELY: May I ask IF: You witnessed the alleged incident? You know IF this child had a medical examination by a physician who deals with such issues? You know IF any genetic testing was done? The alleged victim approached you directly or indirectly? Your office or You INITIATED the contact with the the alleged victim or her family? You interviewed the alleged victim? You tried to discuss the alleged incident with the accused? You discussed this case with the family? You advised the family or any other entity about this case, in any form, shape or fashion? You assisted in the filing of any complaints? You assisted in the follow up of any complaints with the Police / Courts ? BTW 1: I note that you personally met Archibishop Rev. Felipe Neri Ferrao on August 12th, 2004. At his suggestion, you submitted to him a written complaint about the affairs at the Ribandar Church. Would you care to post that complaint (minus any names) to GoaNet?. It might help the ignoramus like me to try ascertain IF there are any collateral issues involved. Would you also accept that, as you had not received a reply from the Archbishop, it would have been a good idea for you to RE-WRITE to him? BTW 2: Me not being a lawyer, I remain very concerned at the following from you (The) Priest against whom the Goa Police have registered an F.I.R for the offence of molestation continues to be just an accused and will remain so UNTIL if and when his trial COMMENCES Did you perchance mean UNTIL his trial CONCLUDES? Otherwise, it would be pre-Judice.right? yours very sincerely jose === please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]New on the TGF website: Ethel da Costa's Lets ring in a change in mindsets
please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net ENTER and Look under NEW Ethel da Costa: Lets ring in a change in mindsets Francisco Correia-Afonso: Memories Proud and Humble jc Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]re: Mario Goveia's missive on GoaNet censorship
Dear Mario Goveia, First of all HAPPY NEW YEAR to all Goemcars - and ALL the Very Best I have been following your trend of thought wrt to Mess-o-potamia with interest - mainly because it is diametrically opposite of my view. Even so, I accepted it as your view - one which you articulated strongly, as per your right. It is not always that Far-Right leaning individuals allow free speech. Neither do Far-Left leaning folks. Having said that, I applaud you for your excellent defence of Free Speech vis-a-vis the same old, circular and quite frankly - irrelevant(to the real issue) arguments by Fred Noronha. Here are some points which I liked very much from your post 1. Claiming that one's free speech is tantamount to blocking the free speech of others is an old circular argument that sounds far more logical than it actually is. 2. The question is, in a free society, who gets to decide who is blocking whom? 3. Who should get precedence: the others or the posters? 4. Who decides who exactly the others are, and whether their claims are valid. 5. Everyday, I make judgements based on the subject and the poster as to whether I want to read, scan or ignore, respond or move on. 6. The NYT, IHT and the Washinton Post are privately owned organizations. If Goanet is owned by anyone I will agree that they get to decide whatever is published on this site, and the posters will continue to participate or leave, just as in the land of the free 7. When you have hundreds or thousands of potential readers, what makes sense to you may not make sense to whole sections of others. 8. I have no aspirations of trying to impress 7,000 people I don't know personally to do anything they don't want to or believe anything they don't want to. All I try to do is speak my mind as communicatively and convincingly as I can on any given topic at any given time. 9. I have no delusions that 7,000 people will be interested in anything I have to say. 10. That is what the delete key was made for, so every individual can make up their own minds as to what they want to read or flush. Thank you Mario Goveia. They are my sentiments Exactly . We may never agree on any other point, but on this .You are Right On! I have come to believe for some time now that this GoaNet Admin has been preaching FREE SPEECH and (at times) practising SELECTIVE CENSORSHIP. And to justify their Censorship behaviour, they have been using just the same (NYT, Goa Assembly) circular arguments that Fred has articulated. I also second Tim D'Mello re: the small minded and ridiculous thinking by the GoaNet Admin Team . My Inbox has several posts which have been rejected by this GoaNet Admin Team for all kinds of NYT-esque reasons - while allowing similar posts of others. Wonder whether this one will make it. Can you imagine if the NYT was a monopoly?! Once again.good wishes to all. jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Eating Crow this Winter ani ...... the Hope of Spring - in Springs to come
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Prof George Pinto wrote I wonder how many of the current (Rt. Wing Pubbie) supporters on this forum have travelled through the segregated south recently and if they were invited into a white home? Prof Pinto is making an unfair assumption here. But of course, Prof Pinto, non-caucasians ARE invited into a white home in the segragated i.e.organized, South . WHO else cleans and cooks in da Massa and Missie house? On the election front, two comments: (a) a wealthy country of 120 m voters cannot organise a simple election without ghusspott, when India could organise a seamless electronic election for her half a billion voters? That should tell you something. Do they really want every vote to count? (b) with the events about to unfold initially over the next two months in Mess O Potamia, did you really want the kerryman to win? Not moi. Why should the good Joao have to suffer for the Mess made by Jorge ani Deeek? Hey Joaobab - you did well. You fought a good fight, Agora, have a good time with amchi Terezabai. Ketchup? No problem (:-) This The Man made hurricane of events is heading our world's way. No need to try stay in the way. Can't be stopped now. The only thing one can do is Board Up ones house, and Pray that it wont be as bad as it looks. Yes, there will be a lot of pain for the poor, off-Caucasian, head geared and, other minorities for several years to come. And Yeah Right!, our world will be a safer place because Sadao was removed - now that the balance has been removed, and Iran is a big HotDog there. ( I wonder Quem gave Sadao those WMDs and the intelligence data to use them in the first place ) Yep Kris, Yep. Hey I believe. May I ask Kris what happened to the Kris-tians in Mess O Potamia? Did you know that a million existed there until recently? Did your CHURCH guys tell you that - while they were denying Communiao to amcho Joao? ( NOT saying a word about Wine and Wafer to those monsters aka Child Molesters masquarading as priests) BUT . What we Sow, We shall Reap. So also ALL acts of unprovoked aggression. Never in history has ANY act of unprovoked agression against a people, resulted in genuine and lasting Peace. Never! It has always built a wall of anger and resentment. But then, as Nature tells us: After the despair desolation of Winter, there comes the hope of Spring. What ya sayin' Hillary? (:-) jc PS: When Viviana writes here about eat(ing) crow, Is she referring to the Jim Crows she'd rather watch on Faux Nooj? == Viviana Wed Nov 3 08:59:01 2004 Hey Mervyn, have you heard the phrase eat crow? Landslide? You've been watching too much Dan Blather. Viv = please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]WINE: to GO or NOT to GO - a response to Gabrielbab
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gabriel de Figueiredo boroita on Fri Nov 5 21:56:07 200 I have been informed by a vintner here that the sources of headaches are usually due to the higher content of Sulphur Dioxide present in the wine, as a result of the chemical being added to the grapes to prevent premature fermentation. This is usually the case in the cheaper wines. I really don't know whether to believe this or not, but I do know that if I have a measure from a wine costing less than AUD10.00 a bottle, I'll end up with a dull headache for the rest of the afternoon. Dear Gabrielbab, Viva nossa terra Goa! Goa! bonita Goa! Agora, wrt your query - Hope this helps. The key preservative present in wine is Sulphur dioxide aka Sulphites. It is used as an antibacterial preservative on Fruits, Fish, and in Wine. It also occurs naturally in many growing plants and fruits (grapes included) Yeast naturally produces sulfites DURING the fermentation process. Virtually ALL winemakers add sulfttes to their wines, This is specially so in the case of white wines. - hence only the rare wine will not contain sulfites. After the cases (in the early 1990s) of Asthma deaths secondary to Sulfite Allergy, the US requires ALL wines (sold in the US) containing greater that 10ppm of sulfites to be labeled as CONTAINS SULFITES. Have also seen it on New Zealand wines. The next time you see grapes in the supermarket (better visible on red grapes) please note the white stuff on it. I routinely advise the mothers of my Asthma kiddie-clients to WASH this powder off the grapes (even peel the skin off) before giving them to the little ones. BTW: I have also seen the sulfite label on some Frozen Pizzas and on Wine Vinegar. wrt Headache from Wine, here are some thoughts. * Hangover * Unrelated to Vino * Coincidental onset of Migraine * El Cheapo Vino * Sulfite initiated or sulphite allergy * Tyramine other substances(in red wine) related. Histamine link not yet proven conclusively wrt Headache from Caju feni, please contact Caju Feni King, the great Aldonkar from Ponjje, O Senhor Cecil Pinto (:-) Mais uma vez Um grande abraço a todos jose please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]re: -From Paulo Colaco Dias - APOLOGIZE WITHDRAW Mr Correia
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Paulobab I am FWDing your mail as requested by you. I do not know the e-mail of Mr. Eugene Correia. I tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the email for him, given to me by Rt Wing Pubbie lady ) but that does NOT work. Hence I am trying to post this on GoaNet Goa-Goans. (I know that there are lurkers on both d-lists) Hopefully, one of the d-lists will attract the attention of Mr. Eugene Correia. Hope this post is NOT censored (;-) OF LATE, like Mr. Eugene Correia, amche Goans are beginning to ASSUME that you(generic) said this and that. IF ONLY they would READ the original text. On another matter, I am sorry that you have walked away from GoaNet. That is what the Fox was hoping. Then ONLY Two-Tones would have their say. I invite you to return and fight the foxes. good wishes jc From : Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jose or GoaNet-Admin: I do not have the current email address for Eugene Correia, so, I would appreciate if you could forward this email from me to him: --- Message for Eugene Correia --- Eugene, I am not subscribed to Goanet since few months now. This has come to my notice from Jose Colaco from the Bahamas. I am extremely offended and concerned that my name has been linked to Bernado Colaco. You do not have the right to assume the link and definitely not have the right to make your assumptions public in a public forum like GoaNet. I have lost all the respect I had for you. I thought you were a respectful journalist. I was wrong. I hope you can apologise publicly and cc to me, since I no longer have the time for GoaNet. On another note, I have reasons to believe Bernado is a real person. I do not know him and do not know anyone who knows him either in Macau or UK. Yes, I did try to trace him amongst the Goans in Macau but nobody knows him. Also, he is not in the phone book of Macau (which is available on the internet). However, that does not give anyone the right to claim I am impersonating him. I repeat, you do not have the right to link my name to the likes of Bernado Colaco. I have a reputation and I am extremely offended that you have made your stupid assumptions public! Please apologise and withdraw your most unfortunate comment immediately. Paulo Colaco Dias. --- End of message for Eugene Correia - _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]Paulo (Paula) or Bernando -- same or different?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mr. Eugene Correia wrote Fri Nov 5 09:16:15 2004 I saw an interview with Paulo Colaco Dias, based in UK Since Bernado and Paula are both based in UK, I am skeptical if both are the same person as I understand Bernado is a fake identity. Elementary my dear Watson, Elementary. Mr. Fred Noronha used to write for the Herald (he probably still does) Mr. Rajan Narayan used to write for the Herald Both live in Goa. Both work in Ponjje. Both are married to journalists. BOTH have (in the past atleast) censored my posts. HENCE, I believe Both are the SAME. On the other hand..MAY be not. Mr. Rajan Narayan is NOT a fence sitter. That is right. With regards to PAULA in Mr. Eugene Correia's Since Bernado and Paula are both based in UK Naa re baba! Please read Goa Gorrment Inphormassun publikassun. Paula is lover of Dona. Dey both kaaamit suicide at place now called Dona Paula. Ha Ha Ha Ha! BTW: Mr. Eugene Correia - HOW do you KNOW that Bernado is in the UK? Are you sure that he is NOT in Nassauor in Toronto? You are a Genius! and I CONGRATULATE you for thatprovided there are NO objections to my Congratulating you. IF there are, I will Say HAPPY BIRTHDAY or offer you my Condolences. Haven't seen any objections to that stuff of late. jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]Thank You Silviano but we Goans are a pitiful lot - Never mind the BIG Talk - 2
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mr. Eugene Correia wrote on Fri Nov 5 09:16:23 2004 I agree with Mr. Eugene Correia when he says : Is it a must or should we or anyone be provoked into doing things to SOMEONE ELSE's wishes? At least Mr. Eugene Correia is a frank person. It is NOT a MUST, Mr. Eugene Correia. === However, he is a very WRONG person esp when he writes: For Jose to say that some of us Canadian Goans MUST congratulate Ben on his post ... Mr. Eugene Correia, Please show me WHERE you found the word MUST in my post. Grateful if you do NOT play the Victor with my posts, and ASSUME anything. Please assign to me ONLY what I say or write, NOT what you ASSUME I may have, could have, would have, possibly implied. I know I am controversial that I often punch the buttons of others. Slam me IF you think I am wrong. I am happy to stand corrected BUT NOT with JUNK! == Mr. Eugene Correia adds That reminds me, how many of goanetters congratulated ourselves on the success of brother Bobby Jindal making it to the US Congress? Forgive my ignorance, Mr. Eugene Correia, BUT I did NOT know that Mr. Jindal was a Goan? I know that some Jindals owned the META STRIPS disaster zone. IS this guy related to those guys? Even if he was, I would like to put the following queries to a POLITICIAN before I congratulate him as a GOA-netter. 1. Do you support the Death Penalty? 2. Do you support attacking another State without provocation? (I am talking about The Republic of India attacking Goa aka Estado da India Portuguesa.and similar cases thereafter) (;-) 3. What do you say about civilian deaths as a result of Bombing? 4. Do you think that war criminals should be brought to justice before International Courts of Justice? The sardars who raped Goan women in 1961 and thereafter, please stay tuned. 5. Do you agree with the Death Penalty? 6. Do you believe that a woman MUST carry on with a pregnancy where the foetus has Anencephaly (No brain) - even if her OWN life is in danger? 7. Do you believe that a country belongs to ALL its people as such, the resources should be shared among ALL its people? 8. What is your position of Global Warming? Yes, Mr. Eugene Correia, Until I hear the answers to those questions - from the Parrikars, Jindals and Poppots of this world, I will NOT congratulate ANY politician. Even if he was a Goan. Or else, I'll end up Congratulating all the Narvekars, Parrikars and Faleiros I'd care to even read about. jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Mixing up the Bernado Colaco track with the fence sitter
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mr. Noronha wrote:The one thing I've learnt over time is that it's hard to stay on track in a discussion with a JC (as is also the case with a BC, i.e. Bernado Colaco) ;-) From the looks of things, Mr. Noronha has been trying very hard to TRACK DOWN Bernado Colaco of the Bharati contra Ole-Xac fame. A routine also known on the private e-mail circuit as the Fox-Hunt ! In this case the Fox is the Hunter. As far as keeping track of discussions with me (i.e. JC), here is my advice: 1. Please do NOT read what I have NOT written. 2. Keep an open mind - If someone is wrong - point out why one thinks that a person is wrong in a particular viewpoint. Just like some of us pointed out to the writer : of the Slavery bit that Portugal could NOT have practised Slavery in India hundreds of years AFTER the British abolished slavery : of the 1983 built Daman bridge that Portugal could NOT have built that bridge 3. Do support the view that IF an error is made in a NEWS ITEM, it should be corrected. 4. Get off that fence WRT this from Mr. Noronha You are right when you talk about fake certificates being issued. But you are mixing up matters thoroughly in order to arrive at an anti-migrant conclusion Once again - PLEASE refer to context. The context is in Aloysius' post. IF after reading the totality of my responses - you believe that I have come to an anti-migrant conclusion, I wish you well. Very Well indeed! WRT this from Mr. Noronha You don't have to be a migrant mother to get a fake certificate. You don't even have to be a mother either Don't matter to me - I am in NO danger of being either. jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]Re: Goan books, writers, assumptions et al
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## wrt Samir's message, Samir is right. I am NOT going to parse my words with him even though I had written [BUT, I have YET to see ANY other Goan extend his Congratulations on this d-list.] However this is a response to Victor's posting. - Victor wrote: #1: Dr. Colaco's message that we all buy more books by Goan authors BEGAN with an attack on Goan authors who did not publicly congratulate Ben Antao on Goanet. JC response: GARBAGE! That is NOT how the message BEGAN please refer to Context. http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-November/020075.html == #2: I objected to it when he first made that attack and I object to it now. Private messages---including private messages of congratulation---DO NOT BELONG on Goanet. JC response: If GoaNet has any special EXCLUSIONARY guidelines for Congratulations, Admin please make them known. IF THAT IS THE POLICY should GoaNet also consider discontinuing the Birthday Greetings ? The other option is to impose selective Censorship on certaon people. == #3: I do not know Dr. Colaco, and have no animosity whatever towards him. JC response: Good for you that you do not know me. You at least know my name. Please afford us the courtesy of letting us know your full name . Unless, you are the only Victor in this world. In any event, As far as this discussion is concerned, you are the Victor. Congratulations and All the best. BTW: Victor has NOT responded to the assumptions bit. I assume he got the message Ite Missa Est. jose colaco _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]re: Goan Books, writers, assumptions et al
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Victor wrote on Thu Nov 4 20:35:02 2004 Dr. J. Colaco assumes that other Goan writers in Canada and elsewhere have not congratulated Ben Antao, because they have not posted messages to this effect on Goanet... By presuming to make that a requirement, a number of my peers have been unjustly maligned. Ben Antao knows who wrote to him and who didn't. Nobody else is owed an explanation. === I'll say this very simply. Please do not make any assumptions about me, and PLEASE be quite clearly informed that Dr. J. Colaco has assumed NOTHING with regards to the topic at hand. I totally agree that the writer in question is the best person to know who wrote to him and who didn't. That does not necessarily mean that Dr. J. Colaco does not know. Trust me when I say that ! And yes, absolutely Nobody else is owed an explanation. Having said that, I strongly recommend that we pay attention MORE to the message than to the Messenger. My message like that of the good Gabriel de Figueiredo's is : Goans let us support our Goan writers by buying and reading more of their books. I would hasten to add : Goans, let us spend LESS time, energy and MONEY on Jamborees, Picnics, Dances, BBQs and Alcohol. and more on helping Goan thought and writing to flourish. Everything else, as far as I am concerned, is minutia. Nada Mas to add on this topic. I have said all that I know about it. jose PS: A book I will recommend today is AFTER MANY DAYS by Francisco Correia Afonso Early next month - Ema and I hope to post snippets on TGF ( Thank you Lino Leitao for making the suggestion; Thanks too Tony and Marina Correia-Afonso for sending the book across) good wishes jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]Thank You Silviano but we Goans are a pitiful lot - Never mind the BIG Talk
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## re: Writer Ben Antao elected President, Canadian Authors Association, Toronto Branch Silviano Barbosa wrote on Tue Oct 26 22:09:45 2004 Congratulations to writer Ben Antao, our own Goan author from Toronto, who was elected President of Canadian Authors Association, Toronto Branch last week. Ben keeps himself busy these days writing regularly for The Goan Observer, among myriad other things, which include short stories, reviews, novels, plays, etc. Ben's new book is going to be published very soon in Goa. He has already published his first book Images of Goa several years ago. Best of luck and success to you Ben in your new endeavour! Dear Siliviano, Thank You very much for spreading the Good News. It is always an honour for ALL of us Goans when a fellow Goan is honoured in such a manner. It is NOT always that North American Writers Societies honour an individual whose genetics are from a distant land. All the more, dear Ben - CONGRATULATIONS and well done I intentionally waited a week before writing about this. BUT, I have YET to see ANY other Goan extend his Congratulations on this d-list. What happened to our stalwart Canadian Goans on GoaNet e.g. John D'Souza, Tim D'Mello and Eugene Correia. NOT ONE SINGLE WORD on Goanet. Perhaps they have visited Ben at his home in Toronto to wish him personally. Perhaps they telephoned him up or e-mailed him. Perhaps they have done diddly squat. Did NOT see anything on GoaNews either !?! (if I missed it - do forgive) In any event, I trust that these 4000+ Goans who are members of GoaNet will at least support our Goan brother Ben by purchasing his books. all together, let us see 100 books being bought by GoaNet members. That will be a miracle. And what about the World Goa Day outfit? Renebab? que pasa. Do you too note that we Goans have funds and time for Jamboree, Picnic, BBQ but NOT to support our Goan writers? Let's make it 5 books for the World Goa Day chappies. What a crying shame ! jose We at The Goan Forum will do the needful for one of the founders of TGF's writers sketchpad and d-list. THAT is a promise. please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]of Pimptos, Politicians, the Public and Providers
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear All, It is after a long time that I agree with Cecil Pinto. No, I am not getting into the Samir Kelekar vs Cecil Pinto diskussun as to which of the 4 Ps makes more money of the Halal meat business: Pimptos, Police, Politicians, or the Providers of service. Will concentrate today on Matka. What may I ask is the difference between Matka the zillions of Lotteries prevalent in Goa today? (yep post-1961, Mr. Noronha and Prof Pinto) If the Police, Politicians and the Powerful make money the Public lose, do you really believe that Matka will be legalized? May be that will happen IF the Public decides to make Politicians illegal. That, I submit, will ONLY happen IF our Goa Journos are allowed to speak in the Goa Assembly. 15 years attendance NO ALLOW to speak, is an atrocity. Would you not agree? So, perhaps, Goans Journos who find themselves in such a predicament will consider getting off the fence, and contest the elections. Goa Suraj, are you ready for some new candidates? from half way across the globe tumcho sodancho jose ( tummi chodd Ragar Fugar zauinakat ) (:-) === Tony: What rehabilitation measures would you want to suggest to get these people to see reason and kick their habit? Cecil: Make them matka bookies. They will realize that the actual money is in accepting bets rather than laying bets. Perfect rehabilitation with good career prospects. Tony: Do you know anybody who has become rich through matka? Cecil: Sure I do! Many people. Mostly matka bookies, cops and politicians. Tony: I would appreciate your comments on the following points: What do you think about this form of gambling? Cecil: Matka is da best! And it should be legitimized! please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Of Budgets, Charity, Vote Bank politics, Exploitation of a situation Backlash
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mr. Fred Noronha says: I would still question the claims that migrant women come to Goa to deliver their babies because of the benefits they would gain from being born here. I repeat that claim. Hopefully, someone closer to South Goa than I am, and versant with the Health scene - will write to clarify or negate the claim. == FN:Benefits in Goa are *not* dependent on the place of birth, but a certificate showing 'proof of domicile'. It doesn't matter where one is born. It is my position that fruadulent Certificates showing 'proof of domicile' are being issued to these mothers. No rocket scientist required to confirm the FAKE certificate stuff going on in Amchem Goem. == FN: That there are manipulations within the system is true, but this has nothing to do with the argument that you are building up Manipulations is right! . == FN: aren't some 'opinion leaders' fuelling Goan chauvinism against the migrant, using a whole set of at least untruths and half-truths, if not blatant lies? From my perspective, the ONLY ones who can LEAD opinions in Goa are the GOA JOURNOS. Thus far, a good number of the JOURNOS are fence sitting. The few exceptions include Rajan Narayan. Wonder what you think of his scripts. Wonder whether Mr. Noronha has written anything about this topic. Does he agree with Mr. Narayan? Does he disagree with Mr. Narayan? jc (jose colaco NOT Bernado Colaco) Whaasup Mr. Noronha, Still can't get over the fact that You have been going to the Goa Assembly for 15 years - and yet, you have not had the opportunity to speak there ? Await you response. What will it be ? Cuss or Ignore. Let's see. (;-) == please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Of Budgets, Charity, Vote Bank politics, Exploitation of a situation Backlash
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## In reponse to this from me (following Aloysius' posting): My dear Aloysius, Yes, the doors are closing all over the wrld because of Desi Abuse of systems. However, I believe that babies born to migrant workers (WORKING in Goa and paying their share of the taxes) SHOULD receive the same benefits Goans are entitled to. Mr. Frederick Noronha (FN) wrote thus on Wed Nov 3 03:19:02 2004: #1: Are we confusing issues here? #2: (iv) Generally, the basis for discrimination is domicile, which is 15 years in Goa's case -- at least on paper. (Interesting to note here that a stringent application of such rules would work against many expat Goans themselves, as is happening in the case of those based in the Gulf. But that's another point.) #3: In such a context, the argument that people come to Goa to have their children born here would be untrue. Maybe they came because Goa once had better hospitals than the surrounding districts (today, places like Belgaum have caught up and raced ahead). #4: Paying their share of taxes can also be a misleading argument, in a context of low tax compliance. Some years back, the number of tax-payers in India was just a million or two (though now efforts to increase compliance are being stepped up.) A lot of taxes here are indirect taxes, which fall probably more heavily on the poor Dear Mr. Noronha re: #1: Please refer to context in Aloysius' post and then mine. The only person who might be in danger of confusing issues and apples - is you, Mr. Noronha. -- re: #2: Once the rule is fair, and fairly applied, it matters little if it works against any particular group. If it is unfair, there should be public pressure to change that rule. The Press has a role to play in the education of the public in the application of pressure on the politicians. -- re: #3: Arguments aside, would Mr. Noronha care to advise us of the (available) statistics of this delivery-related migration to Goa? The Belgaum-hospital scene has reportedly raced AHEAD in the PRIVATE sector. The facilities being used by these delivery-related migrants in Goa, are PUBLICly funded. Accordingly, I submit that the argument put forth by Mr. Noronha is a non-starter. In any event, The standard of Hospital Care was NOT the primary concern - expressed by me wrt this topic. It was the Vote-Bank, MEDICLAIM ..AND .. the FUNDING for MIGRANT HEALTH CARE that I raised. Perhaps someone who lives closer to South Goa, than I do, will give some input - preferably someone who works in the Public Health sector in South Goa. Nothing wrong with assisting ANYONE in need (or for that matter, IFFI)...BUT one first needs to look after the needs of one's own. Charity, I submit, begins at home. --- re: #4: Nothing misleading in the word taxes. IF one lives in Goa long enough, one will have paid enough of TAXES. As you have rightly pointed out, a LOT of the taxes are indirect. BTW: What happens to the funds which are collected - is anyone's guess. Wonder if Mr. Noronha has written anything about it in the Goa or International Press juss moi jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
Re: [GOANET] BORIM KHOBOUR
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gasparbab, I would go with Miguel's explanation that GoaNet admin is NOT all there with Konkani. Besides, it looks like a genuine oversight. Mistakes happen. I know that I make them every single day I suggest that we all be more tolerant of genuine errors move on. Having said that - it must strike us WHY many Goans are moving away from ( or at the very least - not very proficient in ) Konkani. The lessons are there for us to learn . All we have to look is at the languages Latin, Sanskrit,Pali, Gaelic, Ebonics, Jamaican Patois or even PURE English etc. If the route a language takes is different from the way the populace speaks (or the way their Mothers spoke - Mother tongue), that language will eventually become a dead language. A LANGUAGE like ANY SUBJECT has to be FUN to learn. IF it becomes a CHORE, why on earth would anyone learn it - unless one HAS to? Think about it. The first step forward for Konkani-Mogis is to distance ourselves from the hyper-politicized and radicalized Konkani Bhasha Mandal. Next is to learn from the growth (by INCLUSION) of the English language and write Konkani the way we speak it at home. Sure, standardize it. But for heaven's sake - don't make it Ridiculous. For example - How many times, Gaspar have you said to your parents : Aiz mujhi PARIKSHA barrich gelli ? or for that matter: How times have you heard someone say at HOME Hanvem Mhapxenchea St Xavier Mhavidealoiant podvi merenchem xikop ghetlem makes you say Hhm! good wishes jose PS: will post this to GoaNet to Goa-Goans , The subject is important - I have deleted your post to me.as a courtesy to you. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Caste, Cardinal, Corruption, Correspondence Courses, Growing Pains Bridges
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## A BAKER'S DOZEN worth of Sound Bytes - In the spirit of the good Sardar Dear all, Over the past several months, we have been served a hyper-scrumptious meal of sound bytes. While we await the results of that mara-mari, here - in keeping with Lawrie D'Souza's (Keep it Goa relevant) suggestion, I am placing some sound bytes - without comment. (The Caps Fill are mine) ENJOY! Jose Colaço == #1: Bernado Colaço asks 1/11/04 [[tks GoaNet] I am particularly interested to know if CASTE played a siginficant role in his (Cardinal Gracias) actions #2: Mr. Cornel da Costa 28/10/04 [Goa-Goans] states India, to my limited knowledge, managed to 'invent' some of the greatest social evils known to mankind.I can recall the major UN conference in Durban, around 2001 on progress against racism, but where unfortunately, the Indian delegation managed to take the racist issue of CASTE off the agenda. #3: Bernado Colaço 2/11/04 [tks GoaNet] Today the Cardinal(Valerian Gracias) is heralded as a hero in NAVELIM. When in fact he was a crony of (Jawaharlal) Nehru. #4: The Navhind Times 1/11/04 page 6 [tks Goa Desc] reports The villagers of NAVELIM have complained about the damage caused to the interior roads due to the closure of Rawanfond BRIDGE and have demanded immediate repairs of the same on priority basis #5: Anthony Barretto 2/11/04 [tks GoaNet] suggests Wipe out all the vestiges of the Portuguese. Better start with the demolition of the Patto BRIDGE. In its place build another one. But make sure it lasts a little more than 16 years. #6: An unnamed reporter 28/08/03 [tks rednova.com/news] reports The (1983) BRIDGE, built (in DAMAN) by the Portuguese, was only wide enough for one-way traffic and had been in disrepair for yearsThe collapsed portion of the bridge was without any supporting pillars as they could not be built on the sandy soil below. Instead, the bridge was reinforced with iron bars #7: Eugene Correia 2/11/04 [tks GoaNet] opined It seems that only you (Bernado Colaco) and those who are with you on the Portuguese issue know that Goa is SINKING #8: Dr. Joe D'Souza 16/07/03 [ tks NT and Colaco.Net] wrote Goa's capital Panjim is SINKINGThe Portuguese administrators built culverts and drains in Panjim in a scientific manner so that even under threat of heavy showers and even cyclones the city was protected by trees and sand dunes; thus the adverse effects of storms and floods did not affect the citizens. But what has happened in the last decade has been atrocious. #9: Ethel da Costa 25/08/03 [ tks Colaco.Net ] penned Gang rape of AltinhoFrom the look of things landslides have become a frightening regularity this monsoon Altinho might end down faster than the Mandovi BRIDGE of the 80s. Two years back, environmental activist, Dr Claude Alvares in a PIL to the High Court complained that frequent land conversion on the hill slope was in total violation of development regulations. Underworld tainted, Bharat Shah was then making inroads into Goa Two years later, the Town and Country Planning board and the PWD still remains the most CORRUPT departments in Goa. The die-hards like Dr Joe DSouza... He has been crying hoarse in vain, in person and in print. Unfortunately, what we chose to ignore, has come to truth now #10: Eugene Correia 2/11/04 [tks GoaNet] believes Goa is a young state, and probably has GROWING pains #11: Antonio Menezes 2/11/04 [tks GoaNet] requests any reader please guide me to obtain ( by correspondence course ) a ph.d. from the pre 1961 TAVERNA university of Goa ? #12: Percival Noronha 18/12/02 [tks Colaco.Net] records The Goa Medical College and Hospital, Panjim, then known as Escola Medico Cirurgica De Nova Goa, was Asia's oldest medical institution. The Military Hospital of Panelim was also transferred here in 1842. This institution, which produced eminent surgeons and catered to the needs of thousands of patients, is close to the Goan heart #13: Mr. Frederick Noronha 30/10/04 [tks aldona-net] notes I've been attending the Goa (Legislative) assembly for the past 15 years, but never once did I get a chance to talk there _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Of Budgets, Charity, Vote Bank politics, Exploitation of a situation Backlash
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Aloysius D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was also a recent Court ruling in Australia about an Indian who was posted in Australia and who tried to claim Australian citizenship for his child born there -- Australian Citizenship was denied to the child Apparently, migrants who deliver their babies in Goa -- the babies are now being classified as Goans thus entitling the parents to benefits of plots of land and free medicare Should Goa also close its doors to such migrant babies? My dear Aloysius, Yes, the doors are closing all over the wrld because of Desi Abuse of systems. However, I believe that babies born to migrant workers (WORKING in Goa and paying their share of the taxes ) SHOULD receive the same benefits Goans are entitled to. My point is related to Abuse of the system. And abuse which is being encouraged (I am reliably informed) by this BJP Govt. in an effort to dilute the MINORITY (read Catholic) vote in South Goa. A similar thing happened during the Bandodkar regime where qualified Goans were denied jobs with the help of a technical monouvre. (please visit http://www.colaco.net/1/letdown.htm and read towards the middle of that page ) There was also a short lived attempt (by Housing chap called Behl) to deny Goans from the ability to purchase property in Goa. After a good old cut-ass, he was called back to Delhi. good to hear from you and Greetings from Halfway around the world (:-) jose please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]re: Gaspar Almeida responsible for BJP ghuspott - response to joseph fernandes
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## joseph fernandes of Mumbai wrote on Sun Oct 31 00:59:44 2004 Does Dr Jose know that Gaspar is the one who regularly forwards pro-BJP and anti Sonia Gandhi/Congress mail on Goanet? The BJP is destroying Goa and its avid supporter - Gaspar -,is also in part responsible for the same. Dear joseph fernandes, Good to hear from you. I hope you will accept that there were TWO disparate points in my post - to which you responded (attached at foot of this response) (1) That the communal BJP is increasing its grip on Goa has set its sights on crushing the Catholics. ( for those interested - please see the Kashi of the West ideal of the BJP) esp of South Goa. (2) Gaspar Almeida - whatever his personal choice of political persuasion, is NOT the type who is a GOLD DIGGER. This appeared implied in the posting by Dr. Samir Kelekar - an impression which Dr. Samir Kelekar fortunately corrected for our benefit. Now...I agree with you that the BJP is bent on crushing Goa. It is also possible that Gaspar (advertently or inadvertently) playing his 0.003% part in it. But what about the other 99.997% of the part? Do any of the following have any role it it? 1. The negligent Freedom Fighters who left the DOOR open like in Al QuaQua? Did they play any part at all in the smooth transition ? 2. The Congress Party of India pre 1980? and its suppression of Statehood for Goa and Konkani? 3. The Congress Part of India (Goa) post 1980 and the rampant Corruption and Havoc it wreaked in Goa? 4. The Suppression of the Goan spirit by the woefully blatant DENIAL of jobs in Goa to qualified Goans? 5. The blatant awarding of Consultancies in Goa to non-Goans WHEN there are qualified, able and capable Goans around? present example with this BJP lot ... Information Technology. 6. The destruction of Goan environement by (eg) META, ZUARI and Hotels in the TOKEN name of providing EMPLOYMENT for Goans. EMPLOYMENT ?Really? 7. The brilliant Goan Journos who have SAT on the FENCE because they are the only ones in Ground Zero. Just imagine IF you had your doctor tell you that he/she could not do the right thing, because it might upset the CM 8. People like you Joseph! WHEN last (or first) have you taken a public stand against Communalism ? please read this http://www.colaco.net/3/deepikaWalk.htm 9. How much PRINT space do the Goa Journos devote to The Goa Foundation, AnotherGoa, Goa SuRaj, Lok Shakti etc 10. How much space is devoted to The Goan Observer in GoaNews? 11. When last (or first) have you protested the Lack of such coverage from the Goa Journos? Do the journos have a Role and Responsibility to INFORM the populace? Or is it GASPAR Almeida who has that role? 12. Is Gaspar Almeida the problem here? OK, he FWDs BJPoid posts, Have you considered countering it with GoaSuRaj or Goa Foundation stuff? Remember now, the reason the Goa-BJP is able to do what it is doing, is because the Corrupt Congress in Goa has a ton of skeletons hiding in the semi-open closet. So, if you are about to write to Sonia...please tell her to support Goa SuRaj! How's that for aijcho Aitaracho Sermao? Ite Missa Est. jc _ earlier from jose colaco: The Communal Forces have come to stay. Now, there is nothing You or anyone else can do to get the BJP out. There are many gold diggers amongst us - but NOT Gaspar Almeida. I can safely say that I KNOW of the selflessness with which Gaspar Almeida has helped Goans especially in the aftermath of the 1991 invasion of Kuwait. = please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com The Goan Forum, Goa World ani Super Goa: Three authentic Goan sites. Pure Goa! The TGF writers' sketchpad : IMG height=12 src=h _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]The second Pinto revolt : Panjim Parrikar ani Pinto Hic!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Cecil Pinto Sat Oct 30 08:56:01 2004 Dear Philip and Jose, As a person who lives in Miramar and works in Panjim I would suggest that you keep your sympathy for Panjim residents to yourselves. Dear Mr. Pinto, I do know that you have some difficulty with the understanding of the differences between (1) Owning property in a place (2) Residency and (3) Voting in an election. That is understandable. I know too that you have some difficulty in the understanding of the differences between North, Central and South of a State in any particular country (say) in the US. That is understandable. Do you also have a problem the comprehension of the English language? jc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]IFFI and the sponsored news item
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From: samir_kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:13 pm Subject: Re: IFFI makes Goa CM Hero No. 1 Is this news item also sponsored out of the Rs. 150 crores sanctioned? Dear Gaspar, The above comment from Samirbab is most unfortunate and pointedly unfair. There are many gold diggers amongst us - but NOT Gaspar Almeida. I can safely say that I KNOW of the selflessness with which Gaspar Almeida has helped Goans especially in the aftermath of the 1991 invasion of Kuwait. I don't know Gasparbab, IF any of those Goans even said Thank You to you - in return. But life is such. Kam Zalem, Voiz Melo, or as the Marathi saying goes Kama purta Mama. Even today Gasparbab, I KNOW that you personally assist MANY a Goan business in Goa - without expecting or receiving a single cent in return. If there are ANY of those on this net, I hope they will write in and confirm this. Having said that, Gasparbab, Samir is one of the good guys. He makes a very good point. I agree with his concerns. Further to the concerns raised, I ask (yes, from half way around the globe): WAS this 150 crore IFFI project THE priority for Goa at this point and time? Do we have clean bedsheets in our hospitals? Do Goans deserve clean bedsheets in their hospitals? Are all the IMPORTANT machines working at GMC? Are the roads of Goa fixed up to safety standards? Do Goa's street lights provide adequate illumination? Are the schools OK? Are Goa's poor and elderly taken care of? Are the Goa Freedom Fighters (only the real ones...not those anarchists or these NEW 2004 emotional Freedom Fighters ) provided for? etc etc These are genuine concerns. Perhaps the Goa patrakars have been asking these questions ad nauseam. If so, Do forgive my queries from afar. BTW: I went on to the Panjim.net site. You said that it did contain some (was it 1997-8) episodes of A View from Afar. Could you please post the url for those posts? It will be interesting to see what was said a good 6 or so years ago. good wishes jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Lambert Mascarenhas says OUT WITH THE BJP. TOO LATE Shri Lambhott! TOO LATE!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## In this morning's Goan Observer Lambert Mascarenhas writes a VIEWPOINT OUT WITH THE BJP http://www.goanobserver.com/ The secular forces in Goa must now realize that the poison of communalism cannot be eradicated from the body politic, merely by rhetoric, rebuttal and declamations. The secularism-believing elements must form a cadre of young men, dedicated, honest and determined to wrest this poisonous trend === TOO LATE Mr. Mascarenhas TOO LATE If there were signs of a preventable disease - and the Doctors SAT ON THE FENCE and instead of doing what they could, the DOCTORS would be rightly sued and punished for negligence. Parents are blamed IF their young children go astray Teachers are blamed if their students consistently perform poorly. What do you think about THOSE who write stories and editorials in the Newspapers - and form political opinions of the young, Mr. Mascarenhas? WHAT ABOUT THEM? The poison of communalism is NOT a new phenomenon is it? WHAT did you do when you had the opportunity as Editor of Navhind Times and later the Publisher and Editor of Goa Today? What did our Goa Patrakars who followed youdo? Don't tell me that you expected non-Goan Patrakars to do anything about it? As far as I am concerned, You Mr. Mascarenhas SAT on the FENCE. You never bothered to truly revisit the plight of Goans who struggled in their own little Land which continued to Sorrow and Bleed. Thank God for the likes of Rajan Narayan and Ethel da Costa And Thank God for the likes of Floriano Lobo, Goa Suraj folks, Datta Naik and Francisco Colaco. But...trust me.it is too late. The Communal Forces have come to stay. Now, there is nothing You or anyone else can do to get the BJP out. As the saying goes: Beware of inviting the Snake to get rid of the pesky Rats. After gobbling the rats, the Snake will bite you! You invited the Snake, You suffer the bite. Pity that the Snake will bite others too. jc _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]Re: A royal snub to the Congress and Goa's Lap Dancing patrakars
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## samir_kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are international standards for a city? Four new buildings and one wide road that will lie rotting once IFFI is over does not make a city international. A complete waste of Rs. 150 crores. I do not understand why Samir is all so upset about this International Standard comment by the new Goa Governor. Has he not heard of Dacca, Karachi, Dafur, Havana and Port u Prince? Are they NOT International cities? (:-) jc BTW: What else do you expect from Politcians those lap-dancing Patrakars who get so hot under the collar when you point out errors in their FAKE stories. which are then spread. Please see HOW a 1983 built Daman bridge was credited to the Portuguese by a staff reporter I wonder IF any corrections to this untruth were ever sent out and printed. Or was it I have had my say I will NOT engage in endless discussions about my fake details etc etc http://www.rednova.com/news/stories/6/2003/08/28/story167.html Daman was a Portuguese colony until it was returned to India in 1961. The bridge, built by the Portuguese, was only wide enough for one-way traffic and had been in disrepair for years, according to Daman residents. also parotted in * in the Indo-Asian News Service * http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-August/004561.html The tragedy occurred when a 90-metre section of a Portuguese-built bridge over the Daman Ganga river collapsed. Among the victims ... * in.news.yahoo.com/030830/43/27e3y.html * http://indiaexpress.com/news/regional/gujarat/20030828-0.html * http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-08-28-india-bridge_x.htm accepted as truth and mentioned here* http://web.mid-day.com/columns/anil_thakraney/parting_shot/2003/september/62847.htm http://www.colaco.net/1/TGFgoamediawatch.htm Goa Media Watch _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]Mr. Noronha gets off the fence to write about the Andamans
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Fred Noronha writes # 1: Sorry for saying it so bluntly # 2: The Andamans *is* a serious issue for India to grapple with # 3: India obviously needs a more-enlightened approach towards treating its diversity # 4: The issue has got some attention in India, but obviously far from sufficient. # 5:Contrary to what Dr JC suggests from his obviously restricted understanding of the media here, such articles are put out regularly, specially in more outspoken publications such as Tehelka, Outlook, Indian Express and the like. # 6:Interestingly, Dr JC's fixation with the Andamans doesn't seem to come one iota from a concern of what's happening to the people or the ecology there, but rather since this is a cheap way of scoring points = Thank you Mr. Noronha for your response. I am glad you said what you said, bluntly. At the very least, it got you off your proverbial fence I agree with you that the Andamans is a serious issue for India to deal with. Not only from an ecological point of view but from a political point of view. Isn't it hypocritical for India to be talking about being anti-colonial while prolonging the life of the Andamans as a colony? You did notice - did you not that India remained quite silent with the East Timor Issue and the former Soviet Union. It is also very silent about Tibet. That is hypocrisy Mr. Noronha, is it not?. That is my position. I will treat your cheap Portugal related comments with the contempt they deserve. These days (40 + years after the Portuguese were expelled from Goa) Only Rauls and staff reporters bring Portugal into the Goa media - and that too with BOGUS stories. Sorry for saying it so bluntly Mr. Noronha, but this too needs to be said. Wonder if these BOGUS stories were corrected by these staff reporters - after the errors are pointed out. BTW: I do note that you too realise that the attention the Andamans got in the Indian Press is insufficient. That being the case, I am still pleased that your understanding of the Andamans issue is less restricted than mine. Brilliant! Would you please direct me to what you have written about the issue, Mr. Noronha? Then perhaps Mr. Noronha, at some point and time, you will answer the query that has so far been ducked: IS INDIA a colonial power in the Andamans? If it did NOT accept the British colonialization as legitimate, HOW does it accept the British Colonial bequeathing as OK? good wishes as always jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]Of Budgets, Charity, Vote Bank politics, Exploitation of a situation Backlash
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Every State or Country has a Budget to work with. The populace elects the representatives to prepare the budget and spend the people's money wisely. The money is from TAXATION. Taxes are paid in or collected from citizens and the services they provide or utilize. ALL prudent budgets (including prudent individual budgets) - there are four parts: (1) Necessary expenditure (2) further development and investment (3) Savings for a rainy day (4) charity. Charity is what one does after one has met the responsibilities to ones citizens / residents : e.g. Good Roads, Public Safety, Health Care, Adequate funding for Schools, Clean Environment etc Each year, Thousands of desis travel to Canada the US to JUST deliver their newborns. These children are Canadians and US citizens by birth - as they should be. Of late, the US immigration authorities have been clamping down (at the airports) on pregnant women trying to enter the US on visit visas. Genuine visitors and those genuinely in need of family support during the birth of a newborn suffer in the bargain. Ireland was one of those accomodating and welcoming countries. It is a pity that ALL have to suffer because of the pregnant women who were exploiting the situation. The new Irish Law will DENY automatic citizenship for newborns of mothers who have been in Eire legally for less than 4 years. That is draconian. One could understand less that 9 months. BUT less than 4 years? This how genuine people suffer from the actions of abusers. jose colaco ps: and this from the latest edition of the Goan Observer AND A FEW stray thoughts on the diabolical conspiracy on the part of the BJP to change the demography of the constituencies, particularly those in South Goa. The BJP had obviously decided that the best way of marginalising the minorities is to woo the backward classes and the migrants. IN THE CASE of Goa the BJP government has developed a sudden enthusiasm for implementing the programme. Because of its enormous potential for changing the demographic structure of minority dominated constituencies. To offset the minority vote bank of the Congress the BJP is determined to create a backward class/migrant vote bank. Mischievously the Parrikar government has declared that all those who have a domicile certificate would be eligible for allotment of plots. No doubt the Mamlatdars and Talathis will be instructed to provide all migrants with domicile certificates even if they have only recently arrived in Goa. Goans will (not) benefit from it, because one of the primary criterions is that the intended beneficiary should not own either a house or land in Goa. = The lengths some people go to in order to get STATUS in another place (1) Press Trust of India Posted online: Thursday, October 28, 2004 Washington, October 28: An Indian man in the US allegedly married his sister while his wife married his brother as part of a phony wedding scheme so that the man's siblings could evade immigration waiting periods, a media report said. (2) DUBLIN, Ireland (Reuters) -- The Irish have voted yes in a referendum on citizenship, final results showed on Sunday, giving the government a green light to crack down on immigrants it says EXPLOIT THE LAW to get into the European Union. Dublin says non-EU nationals come to give birth in Ireland so they can then claim residency as parents of children who automatically become Irish citizens. ...nearly 80 percent of voters in Friday's referendum backed a government proposal to amend the rules on citizenship in the constitution. Provisional results showed 20.9 percent opposing the proposal on a turnout of 57.4 percent. The result means Ireland, the last country in the EU to offer citizenship automatically to all children born on its soil, is almost certain to withdraw that right later this year. The government will now draft new citizenship legislation, expected to be approved swiftly by parliament. The centrist administration of Prime Minister Bertie Ahern called the referendum to close a loophole. During the referendum campaign, newspapers highlighted the cases of heavily pregnant women who have arrived in Ireland just weeks before giving birth to take advantage of the law. One senior doctor told of a woman who flew to Ireland from South Africa just 36 hours before giving birth to quads. The government said the number of non-nationals born in Irish hospitals has increased nearly six-fold since 1998 and now accounts for 29 percent of total hospital births. According to one major Dublin
[Goanet]Of Rt Wing Pubbies, Dabolim, Bernado Colaco, Philip Thomas and der Andamans
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## It is interesting to note HOW thought-hijacking occurs. I for one believed that only Rt. Wing pubbies were capable of such diversionary enterprises. Hell No! Back to Dabolim and this huha about Harrier or MIGs. I believe Diana Pinto's main concern was NOT which type of plane the Navy was using for training flights in Goa, but the co-existence of highly INFLAMMABLE substance carrying pipelines in the vicinity of an airport used for Training Flights. That too, in a populated area. But Oh! How that important point got Hijacked and Diverted. Now, after much side-winding comparable to the Lisbon Alfama, Prof Philip Thomas has come back to the point which we already knew at the start point i.e. the Indian Navy will NOT accomodate the wishes of the civilian flying public. It's the Navy's way or MOPA. Looks like the Spoils of War point is real. I know that some super-sensitive folks get upset about this - and So be it. This being the season for Flu and Fever (including election fever), I am impressed by the tack utilised by Philip Thomas. The Fred Noronha obsession i.e. Bernado Colaco made a comment on Oct 6. He called the Dabolim situation 21st century Imperialism. Philip took the Dabolim discussion via Churchill Alemao, Airport Authority of India, Goan objection etc, and roundly slammed Bernado for comparing the situation in Dabolim with Imperialism. And rightly so! Having said that, I am always impressed by Indian officialdom's selective denunciation of colonialism - when there is SILENCIO over Tibet, there was SILENCIO about East Timor definite SILENCIO about the Soviet Imperilism ANDthere are the Andaman Islands. Please correct me if I am wrong. All these Press, Academic and allegedly-Nationalist guys who go Gaga over this and that, suddenly get tongue tied over the Andaman Islands. What is the deal fellas fellis? To Philip Thomas' credit, he has learnt well from the Rt. Wing pubbies. He took a long route via Boeing 707 et al before coming to the conclusion that the Indian Navy will continue to be inconsiderate towards Goa's needs. In the mean time, it appears that the Andaman Islands topic was glossed over. Mr. Thomas, I put it to you AGAIN. In your considered opinion, Is India a colonial power in the Andamans? If you believe, it is not, Grateful if you would provide some insight into WHY you think it is not. good wishes jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]re: Marie and the labourers you want plus mixing Sunghtam with Ambe
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Marie D'Souza Tue Oct 26 22:37:48 2004 # 1: Jose Colaco you have probably been out of Goa for many years and do not know that in Goa Builders and farmers go to Karnataka and Maharashtra to bring in labourers! #2: The older generation of goans (at least here in north goa) say the educated goan youth are not willing or are not fit enough to do manual work. The have not done no labour in their formative years !! # 3: We want these labourers. Should they not avail of benefits? And it is preposterous of you to suggest that a pregnant woman would travel hundreds of kms to deliver her baby just for a ration card! Dear Marie, I agree with your # 1 2. Also, I will NOT contest what The older generation of goans (at least here in north goa) say the educated goan youth wrt #3 : May I say that you have taken an excellent opoortunty to mix Sunghtam with Ambe. Was I referring to the labourers you want? Was I saying that the labourers you want should NOT avail of benefits? Have you heard about VOTE BANKS? Have you heard about MEDICLAIM? Where does that MEDICLAIM money come from? When last have you been to the Goa Medical College Hospital ? Could some of this MEDICLAIM money have been spent on working ambulances, working XRAY/Scan machines or even clean sheets for patients? Hey, but i must have been been out of Goa for many years . No wonder I expect clean sheets on examining tables of hospitals Intensive Care Units not smelling of urine because it . anyway! tudoolu jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com The Goan Forum, Goa World ani Super Goa: Three authentic Goan sites. Pure Goa! The TGF writers' sketchpad : IMG height=12 src=h _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Cecil should consider reading carefully before opining
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## in response to this from me to RKN: Please ask around and seek information of the BLOCKS that have now been placed to prevent these convenient deliveries thousands of miles away from home. Amcho Cecil Pinto boroita on Tue Oct 26 11:24:29 2004 I certainly would like to know more about this travelling-thousands-of-miles-to-deliver-in-Goa phenomenon. JC's response : I will answer Cecil's query AS SOON AS Cecil advises me if he see the words travelling-thousands-of-miles-to-deliver-in-GOA in my post. -- Amcho Cecil Pinto anik boroita on Tue Oct 26 11:24:29 2004 Please tell us more about this Jose. And just state the facts please. And don't SHOUT. Speak softly and carry a bugle. Or carry factual evidence and not figments of an overactive imagination JC's response : Those who read carefully before responding, rarely bungle with their bugle. jc PS: for those who are interested in the context of my comment - please refer to to RKN's comment on the matter. please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]re: Radha Nair and the Domicile Scam in the land of Milk and Honey aka Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Radhakrishnan Nair Sun Oct 24 09:51:58 2004 wrote: #1. Don't be so mean, Dr JC! You being a medical doctor, that too a paediatrician, one would expect a little more enlightened and charitable view from you #2. How preposterous of you to suggest that a pregnant woman would travel hundreds of kms to deliver her baby just for a ration card! What do you think your Goa is -- the land of milk and honey? #3. I don't mean to denigrate Goa here. I cherish that beautiful land and the wonderful people there. Nor am I forgetting the fact that it provided me a decent job when I needed it. But these unfortunate, underprivileged women who give birth in Goa are there for food and shelter in exchange of their toil -- and not for ration cards as you postulate. #4. But then who can convince a prejudiced mind? --- Dear Mr. Nair, Why did I think you were going to respond to that? Hummmh! Now that the bait was taken wrt #1. My profession does not prevent me from being sensible. Secondly, my sense of Charity does not negate my personal view that LOCALS must get priority, that non-Locals should be afforded the opportunity ONLY when ALL reasonable attempts to find qualified locals have been exhausted. Please understand that State-Charity is also subject to Someone having to pay Taxes, or having to forego development. wrt #2. Baba RKN, I have known of enough of people who have traveled several thousand miles to deliver . OK? Please ask around and seek information of the BLOCKS that have now been placed to prevent these convenient deliveries thousands of miles away from home. So...don't worry about a KTC bus ride of a few hours. BTW: I am also seen ENOUGH of evidence of human cargo transport - OK? wrt #3. Do me a favour. Please give me a break from non-knowledge based patronization and gratuity. Please review for yourself, the status of Vote-Banks in Goa. When you do that, please visit a couple of mamlatdar offices in Goa. I suggest that you start with Margao, Murmugao, Canacona and Sanguem. (am not yet sure about Quepem) Please look at the statistics. Please do come back on the topic, when you have some firm info. You were employed as a journalist in Goa (right?). You probably researched before you wrote. So...this should not be too difficult for you to do. wrt #4. Prejudice depends on WHO pre-judges WHOM. If it is somebody with non-knowledge in addition to stubborness, that somebody should recuse him(her)self UNTIL that person has acquired knowledge about the subject he(she) opines upon. good wishes as always jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]About Dabolim: Churchill to 707s and Vermicelli - A response to Philip Thomas
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 24 05:44:42 2004 For his fascinating glimpses into Portuguese Goa's (international) civil aviation history one has to give the guy his due. I say Bravo! to that. But I am afraid his linguistic aerobatics might leave one unimpressed. :( Dear baba Philip, I write NOT to impress you or anyone else. This material was already at hand - ready for a Post Script to what Gabriel de Figueiredo is writing on Goa's own airline TAIP for The Goan Forum website. So...Thanks for the Bravo..Bravo yer-own self . Have I not said to you in an earlier post that you (Philip) might benefit from acquainting yourself with Dabolim. I repeat that. I am totally impressed by your fascinating non-knowledge of Dabolim. Hence the intriguing quality of your questions and the frequent ' movement of the goal post' See where you have reached..from Churchill...to Goans next (possibly) objecting to AAI, to now 707 aircraft landing in Dabolim. What non-flying (to Goa) 707s have to do with the Navy NOT allowing convenient civilian aircraft access to Goa's civilian airport, beats me. Apologies if my writing produces Acid Reflux for some. Sometimes, Acid Reflux is a natural result of being force-fed Junk Food. Besides, that's is the nature of Sashticars from Ilhas. You are unlikely to find them sitting on the proverbial FENCE of Political Correctness. About Linguini and other Vermicelli stuff, were you writing about this GUY and his Linguistic Aero/Acrobatics ? Philip Thomas on Sat Oct 23 11:10:02 2004 : # 1. But then who knows if there were absolutely no civil flights at Dabolim in Portuguese times? After all the e-conversation we and others have had - there must be some meaning to the above query from you. good wissis from this side of Dabolim and Viva Liberacion and yes..Have a good Sunday. jc PS: I hope you did not mind me using a couple of Konkani words wrt Dabolim. That is one area in need of some spoken Konkani, Mano, Zatra ani Tiatr...et at least a few Cook, Butler jobs for Goans (;-). please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]re: Floriano's Domicile Status story
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Florianobab, Here is something which amche nidun-aslelle Goecar might find worth noting: There are a good number of pregnant women in Karnataka Hyderabad who pack their khatli-potli and travel to Goa for delivery. Not that the hospital facilities in Goa are good (they might coincidentally be) - but for an incentive allowance paid for by the Chairmen of the Voting Banks After delivery, the next stop is the Mamlatdar. A ration Card later - they then become eligible (along with their family - with Panchayat residence certificates of course) for MEDICLAIM covered Health Care. Goans pay taxes.and guess who gets the benefit of MEDICLAIM - besides the politicians? Ani amche Goemcar Journos? ANY CHANCE of hearing anything about this scam from them? Amche ponticar S-shhe-gadd bosleat Viva Liberacion! Kitem mhuntai re Georgebab? jc BTW: in this am's Goan Observer BJP OFFERS PLOTS TO WOO MIGRANT VOTERS Big conspiracy AND A FEW stray thoughts on the diabolical conspiracy on the part of the BJP to change the demography of the constituencies, particularly those in South Goa.etc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com The Goan Forum, Goa World ani Super Goa: Three authentic Goan sites. Pure Goa! The TGF writers' sketchpad : IMG height=12 src=h _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]It it is RIGHT for a Man to Beat a woman
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3944983.stm More than a third of Turkish women believe they deserve to be beaten if they argue with their husbands or deny them sex, according to a new survey JC response This is Good News indeed for Men who choose to denigrate women. Even if they SEND ROSES to them after they finish denigrating them Now..it appears that some Turkish Women ( greater than a third ) believe that it is RIGHT for a Man to Beat a woman if they argue with their husbands or deny them sex In a related matter : A recent report by Amnesty International estimated that at least one third of Turkish women are victims of domestic violence in which they are hit, raped and, in some cases, killed or forced to commit suicide. AND .. Read the attached Oh Guys with Super Egos : jc PS: Perhaps the bigotted Men of Goa should go to Hyderabad and look for Turkish descent women. PITY that the Portuguese came to Goa and took away Goa from the Turkish Muslim king. OR ELSE, there still might have been Turkish Women in Goa - and our Pimpaos would not have to take their Circumscribed selves to Hyderabad ! more here :- http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/1591 (In INDIA) a woman's risk of being beaten, kicked or hit rises with her level of education For the Hindutva fellas in Goa - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/1335/Soc/w_ary.html Women in Indo-Aryan Societies Aryan-Vaishnavism (Hinduism) is the most oppressive system on record in its suppression of women. From conception to death, woman had to suffer in uncountable ways (details after the basic section) : * Child Marriage - Girls are to be married when 5 years old ! * Dowry - Vedas prescribe this pracitice * Bride-Burning - if the dowry is insufficient * No Property * Mass Wife-Burning (Jauhar) - Often 100s are burnt at a time. * Widow-Burning (Sati) - Sanctioned by the Vedas, Puranas, practiced by Krishna's wives, it still continues. http://hinduism.about.com/library/weekly/extra/bl-lawsofmanu9.htm 2. Day and night WOMAN MUST BE KEPT IN DEPENDENCE BY THE HUSBANDS and (of) THEIR FAMILIES, and, if they attach themselves to sensual enjoyments, they must be kept under one's control. 55. Know that such is the law concerning the offspring of cows, mares, SLAVE-GIRLS, female camels, she-goats, and ewes, as well as of females of birds and buffalo-cows. 76. IF THE HUSBAND WENT ABROAD FOR some sacred duty, (she) must wait for him eight years, if (he went) to (acquire) learning or fame six (years), if (he went) for PLEASURE three years. == please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]re that relic from many Catholic Goans Hindu past - the Racist Caste System
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Vidyadhar Gadgil Fri Oct 22 02:48:14 2004 And one more point, in response,to Dr. Jos Colao, whose comment I paste below. Given the reforms in all communities, and the calls from all enlightened quarters for a total end to the caste system, anyone who believes in and practices the caste system is that much poorer as a human being - FULL STOP! From Jose Colaco (earlier) Please understand that I utterly and absolutely condemn the racist Caste System of India. I also believe that ANYONE who believes in itand practises it - is NOT a Catholic but a Hindu - FULL STOP! == Jose Colaco's additional response: I fully agree with Vidyaghar. Anyone who believes and practices the wretched and racist Caste System of India is indeed much poorer as a Human Being..and any Catholic who continues to live this practice which is a hangover from the Hindu ancestors - is NOT a Catholic but a Hindu much poorer as a Human Being - FULL STOP! The much poorer as a Human Being tag may also be applied to 1. Those who molest children ( include here those who neglect their children) 2. Those who Rape 3. Those who steal esp from the poor and disadvantaged 4. Those who kill (except in self defence) and support murder 5. Those who destroy the happiness of new brides by the Dowry tortures 6. Those who dirty up and destroy the place 7. Those who use Religion for violent purposes and to perpetuate distrust among communities 8. The Corrupt, self serving, self-enriching 'social worker' politicians and civil servants 9. Those who use religion as a spring board for political control. 10. Those who support and vote for individuals with Religion-oriented Platforms etc good wishes jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]Dabolim: a case of Goans having to beg to use what is THEIRS!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Philip Thomas wrote on Fri Oct 22 02:47:57 2004 #1: So the civilian flight pressure on Dabolim seems to be a fairly recent phenomenon -- about 10 years, maybe even less. #2: Regarding your point about oxymorons, I would suggest that we should not be so defeatist. For the time being let us think about the effort being made and not the impact on the Navy #3: I would agree, however, that we are far from being the irresistible force that is meeting an immoveable object (an old oxymoron!). = Dear Philip, Good Points! #1: A little over 10 years. If there were no problems with Indian Navy dadagiri restricting and disturbing civilian flight schedules, NO Goan would have bothered what the Indian Navy did or did not do at Dabolim. #2: I'd prefer to think of my points as more realistic than defeatist. #3: Rather curious, wouldn't you say - that the owners of a place have to BEG for partial use of their OWN property from the alleged LIBERATORS! Looks like even the dictator Salazar was more equitable (wrt Dabolim) than the Indian Navy. So may be, Bernado Colaco is right after all. From Salazar's colonialism, Goa has fallen into the hands of Indian Navy imperialism as one of the Spoils of War ( as Chacha Alfred Tavares the Viking would say). Anyone who disagrees - please do the honours (minus gratuitous comments - please). over to you jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]Caste Antonio Menezes' questions of Archbishop Neri
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## In response to this from me : i have NO CLUE why antonio wants the present archbishop of goa to answer why catholicism allowed the caste system to continue. Is it (that) this archbishop who allowed it ? A.C. Menezes wrote on Thu Oct 21 11:33:19 2004 1. there is a strong belief among !others! that, had the patriarch/archbishop office ( which has been exercing authority for the last 490 years) dealt firmly with the satanic arrogance of the bamon padri,perhaps casteism would not have so prevalent among the catholics of goa. 2. (before 19th Century) only boys coming from the bamon families were allowed to become priests 3. (the chhaddi boy most probably entered the portals of the seminary sometime during the 19th century ). 4. secondly,confrarias, the religious associations, based on caste system were actively encouraged in each and every church in goa. 5. the present archbishop is a thorough gentleman, but his office has, definitely, a lot of explaining to do. Dear Antoniobab I am always delighted to respond to a Goan whose name I have as my middle name. Having said that, I must point out that Your reply has NOT answered why YOU EXPECT THIS Archbishop of Goa to answer for the commisions or ommisions of his predecessors. Review the actions ...YES but NOT .ANSWER for others. One only answers for one's own actions, inactions or fence-sitting. Having said that, please allow me to look at the points in your post. Please understand that I utterly and absolutely condemn the racist Caste System of India. I also believe that ANYONE who believes in it and practises it - is NOT a Catholic but a Hindu - FULL STOP! re#1, 2, 4 5: That was an unfortunate and also unCatholic allowance made to Goa Brahmins. The Church might as well have struck a deal with the Devil. re#3: I hope ALL boys entering the Seminary before the 19th century were with Chaddis. If NOT, I will assign the origin of this Molestation scandal to pre-19th Century Goa. sincerely jose please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]Dabolim - the WHEN : in response to Phillip Thomas
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## re: If the Navy did not display this intransigence wrt Civilian Flights - NOBODY would have bothered Philip Thomas Thu Oct 21 02:29:23 2004 wrote My question: WHEN did pressure begin to be applied on the Navy about civilian flights? Since 1962? Or since the late 80s early 90s? Any info about this history would be of interest. Thanks. JC response: Somewhere in the early 1990s - when Air Travel opened up in India - more Airlines were allowed to operate more UK charter operators got interested in Goa . The words pressure begin to be applied on the Navy are oxymoronoid. Goans are in NO position to apply pressure to the Navy. In fact - and you may check this out - Most heads of Tourism and Information in Goa are individuals who are non-Goans . who have NO clue about Goa who preside over junk stuff like the Dona and Paula love affair IF Goans cannot challenge these civil servants - what chance is there with the ALMIGHTY Indian Navy which considers Goa as one of the SPOILS of WAR. Some Liberation! jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Cecil ani Fred : 50% Acid Reflux
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## On the topic of Fred's blinkered political correctness Cecil Pinto Wed Oct 20 05:27:11 2004 wrote # 1. Beware Fred. Somewhere in Bihar there's some politically correct guy like you who will say you're being prejudiced! # 2. The politically correct thing seems to be to pretend that males and females are equal in all abilities. Ha! # 3. Baby you can drive MY car. # 4. And perhaps overly politically correct pundits like Fred are the biggest danger to the emancipation process JC two paise bit: wrt #1. Cecil's point is ON the Button. wrt #2. Ha! is the right reaction, Cecil. There is NO way the males can compare with females when it comes to Going through a pregnancy and Having the baby. # 3. gives an interesting insight into how Chauvanists think. What do some Men mean when they say MY CAR? I thought that marriage meant that ALL worldy goods were shared. # 4. is a rather rich comment from Cecil Let me get this right now. It is FRED and people like Fred who are the biggest danger to the emancipation process. WHY? because they take the Moderate and often Politically Correct stance. Silly me ! And all this time I thought that it was Bigotted Men, the Ignorance Intolerance prevalent in archaic societies, Superstition, Religious fanaticism pig headedness, and Hyper-Reactive Women who were the biggest danger to the emancipation process. But hey! .every day. we learn something new. Time to convert the Axis of Danger i.e. FRED and people like Fred. Then, emancipation shall prevail. Hurray jc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Practice as I Preach ...... NOT ........ as I practise
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## In response to this from Bernado Colaco wrote On Wed, 20 Oct 2004: Was it malaria or plague or was it Pombal with other ideas to move to Pangim? Fred Noronha wrote thus also on Oct 20, 2004 Of course it wasn't malaria, and surely not plague. How could anyone even conceive anything negative happening in pre-1961 Goa? Earlier also on Oct 20, 2004 Fred Noronha wrote thus Firstly, it would help the debate if less pejorative and/or mocking-toned subject-lines were used. Are we trying to score mere debating points, or actually take the issue forward? Amcho Zuze ( distinctly different from jose ) vicharta 1. Did amcho Fredibab understand the meaning of Portencch Bhollem? 2. Is the Scoring of Points and Mocking only an unhelpful idea when it appears in Subject lines ... as opposed to (say) the Main Text of the posting? That is .of course...accepting that the meaning of Portencch Bhollem was understood. I ask.. as I do not know the answer to the questions I have asked. jc Fred Noronha wrote _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]And Now - Politically Correct Upside Down Filled up
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From Fred Noronha: #1 : it would help the debate if less pejorative and/or mocking-toned subject-lines were used. Are we trying to score mere debating points, or actually take the issue forward? #2 : This debate has got considerably muddied because of all the stray (and often unrelated) issues brought in. Writers like Prof Philip Thomas have however contributed significantly in trying to get to the root. #3 : The crux of the issues seems to be simply this: if Dabolim was a civilian airport (under the Portuguese colonial rule and/or later) at what point of time did it changes hands to the military authorities, and under what conditions/document? # 4: Re the payment of compensation, is that really an issue here? JC's response: wrt # 1: Perhaps Fred will explain WHAT was mocking about the subject line (s) in the Dabolim debate. About Moving it forward - Truly, does Fred believe that the Issue has a better chance (If any) of moving forward by exposure on cyber discussion lists OR in the Goa Press ? re: mere scoring debating points - I'd say . Ha! wrt # 2 : Agree wrt # 3: That is the reason why the Rear Admiral's comments were placed on the cyber record by Gaspar Almeida of Goan Voices. It is the Rear Admiral who was using it to justify the 'boxing' of civilian flights. All the other questions re: WHAT DOCUMENT et al - I suggest that question be asked to the Goa based Indian Navy hanchos. Since they do not appear to be on these Goa cyberlists ( even though lurking is a possibility ), wouldn't Fred agree that the Goa Press might be best positioned to ferret out those documents? wrt # 4 : The answer is NO. It is only the Rear Admiral who ( acc to his reported statement ) made it a kind of justification for Indian Naval intransigence in the matter. IF you review my original response to Phillip, you will note my view - and you might wish to agree or disagree with it: If the Navy did not display this intransigence wrt Civilian Flights - NOBODY would have bothered. jc = please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Phillip Thomas gets it Upside Down Filled up (Portencch Bhollem) about Dabolim
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Phillip Thomas wrote: the Navy is unable to ensure that civilian flights do not suffer as reportedly undertaken by Rear Admiral Mehta in 1996 Dear Mr. Thomas, From my information, that is NOT what was reportedly undertaken by Rear Admiral Mehta in 1996 (or anyone else earlier) The lease agreement (apparently signed between the ministry of defence and the civil aviation department) ALLOWS the use of the airfield for civil aviation purposes SUBJECT to the condition that it would in no way interfere with the functioning of the NAVY. And NOT the other way around, as suggested by you. Would anyone care to guess HOW MANY GOANS were involved in the signing of the lease of THEIR (Goan ) civilian airport? Hunh? jc Phillip, may I congratulate you for making some very valid points AND for sticking it out there to defend your position. That is goodand I applaud you . please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet](no subject)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Re: WHAT ABOUT Doing it TO Goa - some folks got jooked? Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:07:52 + Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who are actually interested in DOING something contact me (as Rene mentioned regarding malaria). For those who have an overactive key-board and prefer to send emails, I will take a pass. Sometimes, truth jooks! THIS is one of those times. It is (based upon George Pinto's position) OK to blame the US for something, but NOT our beloved Indya .. for the same thing ! Yep!Hail to the Bait Switch Two-Tone thought process! Is this the same George Pinto who wrote thus A FEW HOURS AGO: Why should the US Navy be welcomed? the US is prosecuting an illegal war in Iraq Maybe the real debate we should have is whether modern-day war missionaries should be welcome SO.WHAT HAPPENED suddenly in a matter of just a few hours? Bravo George Bravo! jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Doing it for Goa is fine WHAT ABOUT Doing it to Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## George Pinto Mon Oct 18 16:45:03 2004 Why should the US Navy be welcomed? How many does it take to paint a classroom if that is their intention? Currently, the US is prosecuting an illegal war in Iraq Modern tourism has a number of side-effects, many of them detrimental. Maybe the real debate we should have is whether modern-day war missionaries should be welcome -- Interesting Message from George Pinto It appears from his post that he is AGAINST illegal military actions. Is he therefore ( as a matter of principle ) AGAINST the 1961 action by India? Unless he is saying that the 1961 India action in Goa is legal. About not welcoming the Navy, I say Let's be equitable in our thoughts. WHY welcome ANY Navy to Goa except the Merchant Navy ? Let's not beat up on a Navy which is DOING IT FOR Goa while turning a blind eye towards a Navy which is DOING IT TO Goa It's like those Roman Catholic Church guys who are refusing to give Communion to individuals who support Women's Abortion rights BUT say nothing about fellas who support the Death penalty. Hey guys .. a murder is a murder ! OK ! Like an illegal military action is an illegal military action. Diversionary Ostrichoid pre-1961 Time warp comments having been taken into account! juss me jc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]re: Malaria and Rene's call for Goans to lead by example
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From: rbarreto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [The Goan Forum d-list] Death from Malaria- New Tool #1 CAN the Goan Doctors world wide be of any help to the Goans in Goa and the Goan community at large ? Should they get involved in helping Goans at all ? or should they continuing making their point of view on the Goan Forums we belong to ? Can the Goan Doctors come TOGETHER to work for the betterment of the Goan community ? #2 Too many of us on this FORUM take it upon themselves to speak on behalf of Goans in Goa ! we dictate what we Goans on the Forums should do for Goa and Goans there ! WHO are we to do so ? #3 If we REALLY want to get involved in the welfare of Goa and Goans , we need to do so by .Leading by our example. #4 But then , who am I to advise the Goans ..and more so Goan Doctors ? rene There is nothing in TRYING ! === My dear Renebab, Yep...There is nothing in TRYING. I will try to respond to your post wrt #1 : Please try elaborate what you mean by Goan Doctors coming(sic) TOGETHER to work for the betterment of the Goan community I hope you will realize that doctors in Goa have virtually ceded complete control of Medicine to the politicians. Think about this: IF the Goa CM tells a Head of Department at GMC to ADMIT a person to the ICU for 3 days observation. .. and the person does NOT need to be in hospital at all, WHAT are the chances that the Head of Department will stand his/her ground, and say a Polite NO ? Will this happen in the UK? wrt # 2 : I do not know what is wrong about Goans speaking up for Goans and about Goa. Are you suggesting that Goans in cyberspace exercise self-censorship ? Maybe we should join the Procession that Floriano and all are having for the Goa-Press wrt #3 : Please advise us what EXAMPLE we should lead by. wrt #4: What do you mean by that? You mean Goans cannot advise other Goans ? and Doctors are NOT human being who might benefit from advice? That is a load of bovine dung, Rene! jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com The Goan Forum, Goa World ani Super Goa: Three authentic Goan sites. Pure Goa! The TGF writers' sketchpad : IMG height=12 src=h _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Happy 39th Wedding Anniversary to Aurea Fernando do Rego of Ponnje
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Aureabai ani Fernandobab Many Happy Returns of the Day Choicest Blessings and Many more Sundays of Bhaji Puri at Cafe Bonsulo - which I understand is really swanked up Please convey our Para Bens to the Familia Ema ani Jose please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com The TGF writers' sketchpad : IMG height=12 src=h _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]Re: Malaria, Flu, Apples and Oranges ! 2
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## George Pinto boroita The total flu deaths in the USA last year was about 36,000 or about 120 per million. This year some news reports predict the flu shortage may double the number. The malaria deaths number in Goa I have seen vary from 20-40 deaths last year or about 25 per million. Assuming the numbers above are correct, one might fancy Goa more - unless of course one has a predisposition to knock the place. Flu death rates can be compared with Malaria deaths if apples = oranges. BTW: I note that you corrected the slip from Deaths to Death Rates That is fine. Gilbert should be allowed time to correct his slip too. e.g. From Civilised to Developed. _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
[Goanet]Malaria, Flu, Apples and Oranges ! Thank You
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## George Pinto Sun Oct 17 11:31:19 2004 In developed USA the flu vaccine shortage this year will lead to more deaths in all likelihood than malaria deaths in uncivilized Goa. Just to keep things in perspective. Both cases seem to be avoidable tradegies caused by human negligence. = Dear Dear, First we have Dr. Gilbert Lawrence (mis)using the word civilized now we have Professor George Pinto comparing the TOTAL flu-related deaths in the USA (population ~290 million) with TOTAL malaria-related deaths in Goa (~ 2 million) Not deaths per 1000, mind you - just deaths! All I can say to these fine folks from the great US of A is Bravo! Talking about the alleged shortage of this flu vaccine, may I please state this for the record. In 2003 - the number of individuals who received flu shots in the US was ~ 55 million (doses) In 2004 - the number of flu shots available to the US markets is ~ 64 million doses There were flu related deaths last year in the US and there will be flu related deaths this year. In any event, the flu vaccine available in any given year - is made from strains of viruses present until the previous year. If any new viruses turn up - all hell breaks loose! Having said that - In the panic, many folks who do not need the vaccine will turn up and receive it, and some who need it (in greater numbers than before) will not. As usual, I remain grateful for the Oranges vs Apples comparisons. good wishes jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Of Dabolim, MOPA ......ani Bosco's dis and dat
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Bosco D'Mello Oct 16 23:43:16 2004 boroita # 1: I don't believe anybody in the Govt of India, the State Govt or anywhere else gives a hoot about what the airport was identified for pre-1961 #2 : why has there been no avenue until recently to make a case for a discussion ?? # 3: Armed forces officers are ultimately under the command of political officers/ministers. # 4: Goa has always had a State Government and MPs in Delhi. Why have the dozen-or-so CMs not pushed the case ***strongly enough*** in the past ?? # 5: Coming back to WHY.why is there so much noise about the airport NOW ?? Is it because of the plan to build an airport in MOPA ?? = JC reply wrt # 1 : I agree about the hoot part. For Bosco's information however, Gabriel's posting of pre-1961 Dabolim being civilian vs military came ONLY AFTER Gabriel was asked (April 1, 2001) the following: Yes! You can have your Dabolim airport free of the Navy - I wonder if you ever raised such a demand to free it from the Portuguese? wrt # 2 : I hope you understand that it is very DIFFICULT to have a DISCUSSION if one party REFUSES to meet with the other. wrt # 3 : Wake up Mr. D'Mello and smell the coffee of reality. Remember this from me :- Politicians will NEVER touch something (esp relating to the Armed Forces) that will NOT bring them direct benefit in return. wrt # 4 : The premise that Goa has always (after 1961, I assume) had a STATE Government, is incorrect. Goa was accorded Statehood ONLY after the United Goans desbanded decided to join the Indian Congress Party. Goan CMs had as much power as the Centre would give them. No wonder - all had to be discussed with The High Command. Trust me, the High Command of a particular party can appoint and disappoint a Chief Minister with the same breath. It is that kind of Democracy which exists in India. wrt # 5 : MOPA ? you mean the airport which Goans will probably pay for, so that Maharashtra will benefit? my guesss? MOPA will only happen IF Maharashtra, Goa and the Centre have the same political party in power. Or if there is some financial arrangement. Anyone who does not realize that frequent changes at short notice are made to Goa Flight Schedules because of Indian Navy orders, needs to be stranded at Mumbai Airport for a couple of days or more - coz the Flight to Goa on which he/she was booked LEFT a good 4 hours before what it was scheduled to leave (when the booking was confirmed) Your flight has departed for Goa, Sir. Since you paid in foreign currency Go to OTHER counter and check IF you get Stand by for tommorrow 'BUT I got confirmation OK from Canada - See, it is right here' 'Confirmation, Binfirmation is fine, you missed the flight. There is no seat until 23rd ( 5 days ahead ) Tsh Tsh, you want CONfirnassun? Next Goa Flight 2:30 bajje today afternoon only. Hanh Na! (head shaking ++ ) 100 dollars per tikit laggel 'ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS per tikit?! This is a rip off MAN. I will write to the Indian High Commisioner in Toronto. Man, I will never come again to India ' 'I DEMAND to speak to the MANAGER' Hanh Hanh - jao Manager la bhetta. He gone for tea ' WHEN will he come ' After Tea - you wait here - Nahim toh - Sasta Hotel pahije? toodooloo jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]Of Malaria, Mangalore and ? Medical Malpractice in Mapuca!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Vincent Andrade wrote on Oct 17 05:51:17 2004 Malaria is an easily curable disease so I am wondering what went wrong. Was it negligence or wrong diagnosis??? I live in Mangalore where Malaria is rampant...a course of Resochin DS (Chloroquine) In three days the affected person is out of it. Its that easy in Mangalore. So whats happening in Goa ??? How come it lead to death??. == Vicentebab, Greetings from here. wrt Malaria, worldwide, an estimated 300 million people are infected with Malaria annually. The number of people who contract chloroquine (and other drug) resistant malaria is rising fast. Every year Malaria (on the average) claims the lives of one million children alone. There are many causes for death from Malaria. Important among them - a lack of immunity. In places (like mangalore) where Malaria is endemic, the level of immunity (among the indigenous population) will be high the death rate low. Mangalore's high death rates occured some years ago. The next increase in deaths will come with the development of Drug Resistance. That is why there is a race to produce newer drugs (or re-try older ones like ARTEMISNIN) and to produce an effective vaccine. Please note that Falciparum malaria has been around for more years than you and I can count - AND is the major+ cause of death from Malaria. In summary, there is NOTHING strange happening in Goa. NO wrong diagnosis, NO medical negligence with this case, NOTHING of the sort. The wanton negligence has been occuring over the past 40 years with the spread of filth and political slums aka Vote Banks. It occured with the lack of proper health checks on migrant labour who have brought in the Chloroquine resistant malaria to Goa. The malaria parasite is one beneficiary of this brilliant confusao brought about by this post 1961 servile attitude of the senior Goa doctors towards their political masters. Senior docs who have kept silent and done zip besides put make believe gloss over rubble. A few ostriches may get anti-timewarped (;-) by this comment but this servile attitude of the senior Goa doctors is definitely a post 1961 phenomenon. It's also known as the : Sir Sir Sir, Yes Sir ! attitude. The next time you visit the House of Assembly, please look out for the Top Docs of the Goa Medical College. If you meet them there, do ask them why they spends outside their area of work what they are doing running up and down with those Files under their armpits. I know I saw a very harrassed Topmost Hancho from GMC running around like a Scary Kat. Whatever happened to all those non-Goan secretaries they brought in from wherever? cheers jc = please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]the practice of the Caste system the Catholic Church in Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Just a few brief comments about the practice of the Caste system the Catholic Church in Goa. 1. The practice of the racist Caste System of India is Incompatible with Christianity. It is a Race-based relic of the white Aryan domination of the DARKer skinned natives of the subcontinent. The modern day convenient revision of its practice notwithstanding, it is the oldest and longest lasting practice of Apartheid. http://www.colaco.net/1/caste.htm (please see additional comments from Sunila Muzawar and Dr. Santosh Helekar). 2. Vivian D'Souza is on the button. Cecil (I assume Cecil Pinto) is absolutely right I have no Caste, I am a Catholic. Well said, guys. 3. I have NO clue why Antoinio Menezes wants the present Archbishop of Goa to answer WHY Catholicism allowed the caste system. Is it this Archbishop who allowed it? Suffice it to say that just because one changes one's religion means that one necessarily changes one's beliefs or ways of behaviour. It is difficult to comprehend HOW these folks who continued to practice the Hindu Caste System could be called Catholics. 4. As to Neal's query whether caste among Catholics in Goa truly correspond with their pre-colonial lineage, the answer is - in most instances YES. You know how difficult it is to marry outside one's caste, right? Please note that I only said MARRY.quite different from liberal genetic input . One thing for sure, even educated Hindus have modernised their ways, but todays Catholics..I believe that they are getting more Saffronized than ever - courtesy their favourite party -the BJP. Having said that, Neal may wish to note that there is NO mention of Chitpavan Brahmains till about a few centuries ago - about the time a boatload of (white) Jews were shipwrecked along the Konkan coast. It can be understood how it was easy to assign Brahmanism to them. So.you devotees of Shivaji and Tilak, please take note. There is also some query about the Brahmins from the Ilhas across the river from Old Goa. Strong suspicion that there is Holy (white) Iberian genes among those Brahmins And..why not? The more the confusao, the better! (:-) good wishes jc == (a) Vivian D'Souza Oct 14 14:44:32 2004 I prefer to answer any questions adressed to me about this subject with what my friend Cecil said: I have no Caste, I am a Catholic. (b) A.C. Menezes Oct 14 16:58:17 2004 vivian d!souza asks: why did the catholicism allow the caste system to continue ? elementary dear vivian, let the archbishop of goa reply to your question. antonio (c) Neal Pinto Oct 15 14:26:11 2004 Did the caste among Catholics in Goa truly correspond with their pre-colonial lineage? please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Doing WHAT for Goa?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Janette D. Souza Sat Oct 16 21:54:43 2004 Dear FN, I am really dismayed at your response to a display of generosity from the US marines. Whatever your reaction is to US policies, the actions of US Marines on shore leave is to be commended. I believe these actions are on a volunteer basis only. I hate to think that all friendliness in India is based sorely on a dollar spending sailor. JC's response I agree with FN This has nothing to do with the marines, OR any policies of any govt. BTW: If painting the classrooms was a priority for Goa and Goans, Goans should have done it. good wishes jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]re: Dabolim, Churchill and Alemao
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Philip Thomas Oct 14 22:36:02 2004 (1) I dont know why I get the feelng that both sides have little or no grounds for their respective stands and are simply falling back on playing a shouting match that too in perpetuity! Philip Thomas Oct 13 06:33:07 2004 (2)Even if Goa succeeds through the highly acclaimed efforts of Churchill (Alemao, that is, and not Winston) to get the Navy to move out of Dabolim, will one then object to control by the Airport Authority of India, a central government undertaking, which runs most airports in the country? Dear Mr. Phillip Thomas, wrt (1) once again, I believe that you might need to acquaint yourself with Dabolim. The airport and its environs have been taken over by the Indian Navy. They are NOT leaving FULL STOP... They will listen to pleadings as much as Squatters who come and squat in your property. FYI, I doubt any shouting is going on. There has been (until recently) NO avenue for anyone to make a case or hold a discussion. This is why Mr. Alemao was prevailed upon - to make the case to the Centre. wrt (2) please note the contents of the Alemao letter. I repeat my belief that your question (quoted above) is prejudicial. Either that, or you are arguing from a position of being quite unaware. So that ALL of us are on the same page, I am reproducing (with permission) the Churchill Alemao letter of Sept 13, 2004 Please note that Mr. Alemao is NOT my idea of a good statesman. However, in this case, I applaud his actions wrt this matter. good wishes jc I have exhausted my information on this matter. = A letter from Mr. Churchill Alemao, MP to Mr. Balasaheb Patil, MP and Chairman of the Defence Standing Committee 13th September 2004 Dear Chairman, There have been problems faced by the Airport Authority of India in the civil operations of aircrafts at Dabolim Airport. The main problem is that the Dabolim Civil Airport has been taken over by the Indian Naval Authority. Very often restrictions are imposed by our Navy on the landing slots of foreign chartered aircrafts carrying foreign tourists. I would like to emphasise the importance of Goa as number one on the tourist map of India. There are nearly 300 to 400 hotels and resorts from Deluxe, 5-stars to 2-3 stars and almost 6-7 lakhs Goans depend on tourist trade for their livelihood. Revenues from tourist trade benefit directly or indirectly both the Goa State and our country as a whole. The question of shifting the Naval Base from the Dabolim Airport to Sea Bird Naval Base, Karwar, has already been taken up separately with the Ministry of Defence, Government of India in the right earnest. I would request the Committee to deliberate on this issue of national importance and lend their weight to the proposal of shifting the Naval Base from Dabolim Airport so that it functions as a full fledged Civil Airport without any hindrances. The example of Red Fort in Delhi is there to follow in the interest of Tourism. I am enclosing the following documentary evidence to prove that the Dabolim Airport is actually a Civil Airport: 1. In 1955 a decree was passed to build an airport for civil aviation. (Portuguese Government). 2. Document showing that after 'Operation Vijay', the Civilian Airport was taken over by Defence forces only for its maintenance. 3. Documents enlists all airports in India and are classified at Civil, Defence and Private. But Goa (Dabolim Airport) does not figure at all because, conveniently they hid its actual owner so that they could manipulate the Goa Government. 4. Official Gazette of former Colonial Government proves that Dabolim was a Civilian Airport. 5. For background purpose:- Goa being a very small state, it cannot afford to misuse, waste or part with its land resources. Defence and Central Government agencies occupy the major part of Vasco and Dabolim. 6. Some press cuttings to show why Dabolim Airport should be restored to its civilian status and the Naval Training enclave should move to the biggest Naval Base at Sea Bird at Karwar. It must be noted that the Defence forces took over the Anjedive Island for expansion of Sea Bird Base without any compensation or benefit for Goa. I am at your disposal for any further clarification required in this behalf. With regards, Yours sincerely, Churchill Alemao M.P. (Lok Sabha) Ex-Chief Minister - Goa. Reproduced courtesy Gaspar Almeida Carmo Santos of the Goa Welfare Society, Kuwait with expressed permission to reproduce this letter given them by Mr. Churchill Alemao, MP (Lok Sabha) TGF October 14, 2004
[Goanet]Dabolim Imperialism 2.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## In response to this from me on Oct 13: What however is real is the meaningless Indian naval dadagiri when it comes to Dabolim ... The simple fact of the matter is that IF the Indian navy commanders ... were NOT so thick headed and inflexible ... this topic would have been a non-starter (emphases in original) Philip Thomas wrote Thu Oct 14 02:10:38 200 #1. I feel that this observation confirms the need for a functional rather than geopolitical approach to the Dabolim airport problem. #2. What functional arguments, if any, are the Indian Navy commanders using? Are these being countered by thoughtful Goan citizens? What alternatives (such as Seabird) are available? #3. Let us have a discussion along these lines instead of raking up undiscussable topics like territorial conquests and hypothetical secessions and economic embargoes (of Cuba) etc. The latter only plays into the hands of the authorities and they are able to continue with the status quo ad infinitum. JC's response Oct 14, 2004 Dear Phillip, wrt #1. Please take the time and opportunity to inform yourself about the contents of the Churchill Alemao letter to the Centre http://www.colaco.net/1/ChurchillDabolimLetterNavy.htm Please note too that Mr. Alemao writes thus There have been problems faced by the Airport Authority of India in the civil operations of aircrafts at Dabolim Airport. Then, please reassess the wording of your previous posting on the matter wrt Churchill Alemao the Airport Authority of India. wrt #2. Please note that Indian Navy commanders in Goa (except the present one) have consistently taken the position that Might is Right. No need for discussion. wrt #3. I will skip the Cuba example. Goa is 100% part of India. India is a democracy. It is my belief that in a democracy authorities CANNOT continue with the status quo ad infinitum unless the people afford them that right. If the so called authorities do so - it ceases to be a democracy. THAT incidentaly is how dictatorships start. just my view.. I'll await yours. cheers jc _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]re: Dabolim Imperialism - a response to Phillip Thomas
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Philip Thomas Wed Oct 13 06:33:07 2004 1. The argument that the problem of Dabolim airport is one of Indian imperialism is a bit unreal, to put it mildly 2. Even if Goa succeeds through the highly acclaimed efforts of Churchill Alemao to get the Navy to move out of Dabolim, will one then object to control by the Airport Authority of India...? jc's response: Wrt the first Philip Thomas point (quoted above) I agree with Mr. Thomas. The bit about Indian Imperialism in Goa is unreal. What however is real is the meaningless Indian Naval dadagiri when it comes to Dabolim. Their actions further reinforce the view that the Indian armada always considered (and still consider) Goa and Goans as a Conquest. Wrt the second Philip Thomas point (quoted above), I believe that Mr. Thomas does not appreciate the WHY of what Churchill Alemao has attempted to do. As Bernado Colaco has rightly pointed out, Dabolim was under the Civil Airport administration before 1961. Only a seriously prejudiced mind would believe that Goans would object a Civil Airport Authority running it post 1961. Goa is after all 100% part of India. Full Stop! The simple matter of fact is that IF the Indian Navy commanders (except for the present one) were NOT so thick headed and inflexible when it came to boxing Civilian flights to Goa into peculiar and often inconvenient time slots, this topic would have been a non-starter. That, and the Anjediva fiasco Oh Yes, there is however one area where it can be said that Indian Imperialism exists today. That place - the Andaman Islands. Would love to hear your views on the matter - when you have the time of course! good wishes jc additional reading (opposing views welcome) The Travesty at Anjediva! http://www.colaco.net/1/Anjadiva.htm It's military vs public again The Times of India News Service - Tuesday 3 July 2001 http://www.colaco.net/1/senses.htm _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]re: Alfred Tavares Ethel da Costa's Kanth take this nonsense
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Atta girl, Ethel! Please keep blasting, both barrels right through their concrete ladden skulls... Alfredb HEART TO HEART on Herald BY ETHEL DA COSTA Kanth take this nonsense -- JC response: - Bernado Colaco's amigo Shri Lam-bhott should be writing a new book called Sorrowing remains my Land Now someone please tell me -This is Liberation Good! This ( as far as I am concerned - and the Horse Blinder fellas are welcome to put their Ostrich heads into the sand )Yes, THIS as far as I am concerned is the USE (in this case -Goans) and DISCARD (Goans) theory propagated and utilized by the Rt. Wing nuts (any where in the world) Looks like the chickens are coming home to roost. Please enjoy the xacuti. good wishes jc When Time permits - Please see the following ( we are quite happy to post alternative views ) 1. The Tale of Two Rivers http://www.colaco.net/1/rivers.htm 2. Goa Struck by Hooligans http://www.colaco.net/1/ObserverGoaHooligans.htm 3. No jobs in Goa for Goans http://www.colaco.net/1/TGFresponds2igoNoJobsForGoans.htm 4. The RSS and FONTAINHAS http://www.colaco.net/1/FlorianoLoboRSS.htm 5. Goans first? Are we kidding? http://www.colaco.net/1/EthelGoansFirst.htm 6. Bandodkar--Goa's Machiaevelli http://www.colaco.net/1/BenDayanandaMachiaevelli.htm 7. Memories of the Opinion Poll http://www.colaco.net/1/OpinionPollMemories.htm 8. Beware Of Marathiwadis http://www.colaco.net/1/BewareMarathiwadis.htm 9. Eroding credibility of the politicians and their promises http://www.colaco.net/1/erode.htm 10.India annexes Goa - (1961) : An African writer's 1964 view http://www.colaco.net/1/goa1964a.htm _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Francisco Colaco ani the Togadia-Goa Affaire
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Francisco Colaco Mon Oct 11 12:28:07 2004 Dear Floriano, The overall picture you have drawn is very correct and, my God, so horrendous! To be sure, this is one of the most difficult and crucial periods in our history. What we are going through is worse than colonialism, Nazism, all put together. The only silver lining is that more and more people are awakening to the grim reality of what is happening in Goa and are clearly expressing their voices of condemnation despite fear of reprisals. My dear Fransicot, Greetings from The Bahamas. You might as well know that your renditions (along with your wife) on the Big City Band CD keep me company very often as I drive to and from work. You two are positively brilliant. Hopefully, one day you will consider putting together an entire album with a little less electronic back up. Unfortunately, Emilano has gone a wee bit out of sync. Now to the points you make above. 1. I am not surprised by what Floriano has written. 2. It's the old Camel and Tent story - Willie, Faleiro,Rane, Churchill and Sardinha (not to mention Neri, Monseratte, Isidore et al) . gave Parrikar support. Some for tactical, some for financial and some for Damoclesian reasons. They forgot that lessons from Disposable Syringes. Use and Discard. They also forgot the Snake who bit the Sadhu story. The sadhu asked the snake: Why did you bite me - after all it was I who gave you shelter. To this the Snake replied: Arre pishea. Tuum Sadhu zalo puun raulo Pisso. A snake is always a snake. It will bite when the time is right 3. However I disagree that a significant number of Goans are awoken to the chicannery in progress. Time and again, I am advised How GLORIOUS and VIBRANT the democratic process in Goa continues to be. 4. Fortunately for Goa, life is a cycle. Salazars will come and Salazars will go. We Goans will always remain the Honrado people we are - through our Music, Food, Culture and love for the finer things in life. As far as the politicians and their lackeys are concerned, I'd say Mar Zock! good wishes jc PS: Enjoyed Ethel daCoasta's KANTH take it column. Goa Ethel ..Go! please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
[Goanet]Rodrigueses, Ribander, Radhakrishnan and Pin Pricks bursting Inflated Balloons
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 10 11:30:58 2004 (Thus spake Dr Jose Colaco the Wiseguy: Slanderous words hymens spoken are like Egg Shells broken. They can NEVER be truly repaired.) Do they really speak in the Caribbeans, Dr Colaco? In this part of the world, they just break -- like inflated balloons that go burst when pricked. Btw, what do they say when they speak up? And in what language? == JC's response Dear Mr. Nair, My sincere thanks to you for pointing out my typo. I unreservedly stand corrected. A thousand apologies. As a matter of fact, I did notice my error as soon as I hit the SEND button on that message. Even so, I did not send in a correction. I believed that Goans (reasonable individuals that they are) would have realised that it was a typo on my part, and moved on. I was wrong again in assuming that to be the universal case. But, as the Nit was Picked, please allow me to correct myself. INSTEAD of Slanderous words hymens spoken are like Egg Shells broken. They can NEVER be truly repaired PLEASE read Slanderous words spoken hymens ruptured are like Egg Shells broken. They can NEVER be truly repaired Thank You very much for affording this opportunity to correct my typo. Now, I have a question for you Mr. Nair. I ask only because I know not the answer. I believe that INFLATED BALOONS which are burst by a Pin prick make a peculiar noise. Something like Phat! May I ask you Sir, WHICH part of the world it is that HYMENS 'just break -- like inflated balloons that go burst when pricked' yours nitpickingly jc Have NOT been around hymens bursting like inflated balloons Writing from the Caribbean (without the S) (;-) please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
[Goanet]re: Bollywood to be focus of Portugal's biggest film festival
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Tino Xavier, Thank you for that post. Must say that your posts are refreshing. On a personal note, I was pleased to visit Portugal this past fortnight. It is delightful to see the transformation Portugal has undergone after joining the European Union. It's also pleasing to note that people of ALL faiths are living peacefully in Portugal. It is striking that our Hindu brothers and sisters have fully assimilated themselves in Portugal. Well done Portugal. I am delighted to note that a Bollywood films festival will take place in Portugal. Some of the new films are brilliant - even though I personally prefer the older (black and white) classics. esp for their music. I hope that Bollywood will produce more films with less violence. good wishes jose Viva Goa! Viva India! Viva Portugal! Viva good relationships between all nations. On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:56:31 +, Constantino Xavier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boa Tarde, o próximo festival internacional de cinema do Porto (conhecido também por Fantasporto) será dedicado ao cinema indiano, em especial. Haverá espaço para incluir Goa na agenda deste que é o maior evento cinematográfico português? ENGLISH: The next edition of Portugal's main international film festival (Fantasporto 2005) will be focusing mainly on Bollywood productions. Young talented Goan directors, especially in the category of documentaries but also short films, could approach the organizers to study how to include Goa and their productions in the programme. Contacts given above. Please circulate, especially in Goa related mailing-lists. Constantino H Xavier http://living.news.designerz.com/bollywood-to-be-focus-of-portugals-biggest-film-festival.html please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
[Goanet]What's going on with the Rodrigueses in Ribandar
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Aires Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct 8 23:34:03 2004 I have yesterday in a letter to Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar demanded a police inquiry into the death of Velim seamen Mr. Constancio Silva who allegedly committed suicide in front of the Usgaon Church on 16th November 1999 when Fr. Newton Rodrigues was posted as Parish Priest there. Aires Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 5 04:20:15 2004 The source of mischief and frustrated attempts to create conflicts is apparently the keyboard of the Ribandar Church computer from where these messages in the name of the so called Maria Rodrigues emanate. = JC response Whassup with all these Rodrigues folk ? Some questions from me. I ask because I know not the law of the land. Is it normal practice for Police Inquiries to be set up in inter-personal matters? Has the route of a Police Complaint been exhausted ? Oh Yes.and please do tell us WHEN Parrikar gets to Setting up this Police Inquiry. or Inquisition Aires further goes on to say the following the priest ... the serious charge against him of allegedly molesting a 13 year old girl This is a very serious charge. It might be true or it might be false. It could happen to any individual. I sincerely believe that there is a right way and a wrong way to go about this. Aires is a lawyer. He should know what the right routes are. Splashing names of individuals in Cyberspace - without legal recourse is NOT ( at least in my opinion ) one of them. Someone could easily get up and say/write ANYTHING FALSE about ANY among us. That keyboard of the Ribandar Church computer comment from Aires indicates to me that there is something really personal going on in Ribandar. jc Slanderous words hymens spoken are like Egg Shells broken. They can NEVER be truly repaired. please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
[Goanet]re: Frantic appeals..... hold on, Goans living in Goa cannot be influenced just
Dear Gasparbab, Read your post titled Hold On. Very good post. Interesting read. Please allow me to add my input GA 1: Frantic appeals. hold on, Goans living in Goa cannot be influenced just like that? JC 1: From the experience of the past 4 decades, what would you say has influenced Goans MOST to vote for one party or another? -- GA 2: Of late, I have read, heard comments as well as received even threatening emails for my support to the present set of MLAs and that includes the CM, Manohar Parrikar. JC 2: Threatening e-mail is usually the work of immature minds. I wouldn't pay much mind to that, BUT you should expect to read comments on your views. Is that necessarily a bad thing to happen? My view (from afar) - Parrikar has done many good things compared to Faleiro, Sardinha, Rane and the other CMs. However - his basis for coming to power in a coup followed by the manipulation hardly represents democracy. Would you not agree? Then, there are other isssues : Computers, Nuevo Freedom Fighters, Convenient Silence on selective matters etc What one has to remain most concerned about, however, is the Religious Agenda. I hope it never comes to pass. Religious zealots (Catholic, Muslim, Hindu and even Buddhist) have and continue to cause immeasureable misery to innocent bystanders all over the world. I submit that this WORRY is the reason for the so-called Frantic Appeals. Historically speaking, VERY FEW locals (natives, ground zero residents, people NOT from afar) anticipated the domino-effect disturbances which followed the actions of zealots. Ask yourself - WHAT set of events eventually set Nathuram Godse to murder Mahatma Gandhi, or for the suicide bomber to murder Rajiv Gandhi? Gasparbab, there are plenty of lessons in history (even contemporary history). We do not need to try reinvent the wheel. -- GA 3: I am not contesting the elections, not for the foreseeable future, though, I am tempted to. Although I have the ability to convince to get myself elected unopposed - atleast among the Goans here for the last two decades! And the tradition continues to-date! JC 3: ? ? ! -- GA 4: Back in Amchem Goa, Goans know whom to vote and whom to empower. We do not need frantic appeals via the emails/telephones to 'tell' our folks home whom to vote? Isn't this undemocratic to influence 'voting'? JC 4: First of all, I don't know HOW it can be undemocratic to CANVASS for people's votes. That is what politicians and their spare-parts in the press do everyday. And, if (as you say) Goans back in Amchem Goem KNOW whom to vote for whom to empower, this point is moot anyway. -- I agree with anyone who says the following: * That the MGP Congress have been corrupt. * That Goa's natural resources have been stripped * That Goa's environment has been polluted * That the Alibaba's continue to do what Alibabas do in this allegedly vibrant democracy But think about it - Take off the saffron cover and see underneath - Are the BJPs any different from the MGPs or the Congresswallas and wallis? One Konkani word says it best .. Kui! jc _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]My dear Santoshbab
My dear Santoshbab, It is with sadness that I learnt about the passing of your mother. Nothing I write will lessen your sorrow but do know that our prayers are with you and your family at this very difficult time. May God take care of you and your family and May her soul rest in peace. prayerful condolences Ema and Jose _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Dear Patak's Masala: Your Macchi is actually Murgh ?
Dear Kirit and Meena Patak, As one who enjoys your pickles and the odd masala ( you haven't got your Vindaloo right yet - ask a Goan for the authentic recipe), I was amused to find the following recipe on your bottle of Cilantro Ginger marinade grill sauce TIKKA (mild) # 0 69276 03220 7 Recipe for MACCHI Tikka Serves 2-3 1/2 pound CHICKEN breast diced 1 tbsp plain yoghurt 4 tbsp Patak's Tikka marinade and grill sauce etc Now.that is what I call a miracle. Take Some Chicken, add some Patak's one gets Macchi! good wishes all the same jc Nassau, Bahamas PS: I know that at this point and time..you could do with a laugh (;-) _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Hindi, Urdu, Alfredbab, Tariqmia......ani Konkani
Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tariqji, Din't Hindi and Urdu --same but different alphabet ? -- come on the scene more as a colonial lingua franca, to serve the Indo-British administration and military purposes? = Tariq Siddiqui wrote in reply Not really. I believe Amir Khusro first wrote Urdu couplets, and that was before the British. Urdu and Hindi both have origins in Khari Boli, a language spoken in the Gangetic plains. I found this website that gives a nice short overview: http://www.urdustan.com/faq.html =jc's response Dear Alfred, I believe you are correct. When you have the opportunity, please read Prof Alok Rai, Hindi Nationalism, Orient Longman, New Delhi, 2000. It is refereed to in some circles as the MacDonnell Moment Hindi, he suggests, could also be called Urdu for these are but two names for a single language. Alok states in the very beginning of his tract that the essay is written with the conviction that there is but one common language of north India, which has at different times been described as Hindi, Urdu and Hindustani(p. 15). In tracing the original sin that led to the schizophrenic split in the Hindi-Urdu unity, Rais research naturally goes back to the early days of British colonial rule around the turn of the eighteenth century when a British surgeon and self-styled linguist named John Borthwick Gilchrist took up the task of teaching Hindoostanee to newly appointed officers of the East India Company. The College of Fort William set up in 1800, where Gilchrist was appointed Professor of Hindustani, brought together a staff of Indian scholars and translators who took upon themselves the onerous task of defining what the language was really all about. Avoiding the cliched charge of adopting a deliberate divide and rule policy against Gilchrist, Rai nevertheless points out how his attempts (aided by local zealots) to restore the language to its imagined pre-Mughal form ended up in turning out all the Arabic and Persian words in Hindustani and substituting Sanskrit ones. Once initiated, this construction of a pure Hindustani, like a predictable science-fiction monster, took a life of its own. Aided, abetted and fiercely nurtured by self-appointed guardians of the language from the savarna castes of Punjab, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, this process finally laid the foundations of the unintelligible, highly Sanskritised Hindi that has mistakenly been foisted on the Indian people as their national language Tragically enough, in a classic example of how one fundamentalism feeds off another, the systematic attempts to de-Persianise and de-Arabicise Hindustani also provoked similar efforts to de-Sanskritise Urdu within sections of the Muslim elites. Ironically, it is this highly Arabicised and incomprehensible Urdu, that has become the national language of Pakistan and is a mirror image of the highly Sanskritised Hindi in the Indian context So, Alfredbab,...it depends WHAT one means by HINDI and WHAT one means by URDU! Jawaharlal Nehru's Hindi was the same as his Urdu. But that was then! It also depends on WHAT is meant by KONKANI! rather WHICH Konkani. I would like to know (for purly personal reasons) WHY Jose and Joao became Zuze ani Zuam in the new S-Konkani - while JESU remained Jesu! So much for politricks and politicians. In closing, ALLOW me to say a THANK YOU to Diana (Flower) for her post on the Rock and a Hard place choices available in South Goa. In my humble opinion - excellent advice BTW: There is a non-South Goan who opined (loudly - but privately) that One Swallow (Gilbert's post) did NOT make a summer. This non-South Goan contends that DEMOCRACY is VIBRANT in Goa. Ha! On the other hand.I could be wrong. After all, I am here the non-South Goan is ALMOST there! ( almost in South Goa) (:-) regards jc _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Tony Martin's Naked Goa
Dear all, Just a quick note about Tony Martin's Naked Goa First of all, let me thank my gaumbhau Ben Antao for organising paying for the Book and Postage from Goa to the US. Benbab, you have not only SEEN to it that I would read the book, you have also ENCOURAGED this fine Goan writer. I trust that I will be able to reciprocate the gesture sometime soon. Now to Tony Martin's Naked Goa: 1. Excellent 2. Must read for every Goan who claims to love Goa. 3. Thoughtful foreword by Fred Noronha 4. The following chapters are special : Chapter 11 - Lords of the Government You visit a government department - Endless wait. Your turn comes - Endless wait...the person concerned HAS GONE OUT Chapter 22 - The Days of the Jackals Corruption ... Chapter 44 - Lok kitem mhuntolo Well done Tonybab. Hope you have started on Naked Goa -2 . BTW: I was chatting with Ben Antao the other day. He made an excellent point. One important method of helping to keep Goan culture alive, is to support Good Goan literary work You are absolutely right Benbab; and we commit ourselves to doing just that. good wishes jc _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Eugene Correia ani Aires Rodrigues
Eugene Correia on Aires Rodrigues 1. It's strange that a paper like Herald would encourage a biased as well as lopsided views from Aires Rodrigues in his piece, Poll Day Predictions 2. He attacks the BJP as communal and fundamentalist, a party which, I am told, Aires supported initially. What brought his change of heart is unknown to me 3. The journalism field needs serious political analysts and commentators instead of leaving it to someone like Aires to air his views. 4. the reason for Aires to come to Goa could not ONLY be for improving Goa's social and political structure but could be for other reasons. Dear Eugene, Let me say this upfront. While I do NOT agree with Aires' on many a viewpoint, I consider him to be a friend. He has always been decent and straightforward towards me - and I'd like it to be known. I will restrict myself to commenting on the ISSUES contained in your two posts. Please join me leave the PERSONA out of this. 1. On what basis have you characterised Aires' poll predictions as lop-sided? 2. Has the BJP NOT behaved (thus far) as a Party with a communal agenda which has been kept on the back burner UNTIL it attains majority in Parliament? 3. WHOM at the Herald would you call a serious political analyst 4. WHO has stated that Aires came to Goa ONLY for the purposes of improving Goa's social and political structure? AND: 5. HOW does it matter if there could be other reasons ? AFTER ALL 6. HAVE we not migrated to areas (around the world) for our own personal REASONS? jc _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]re: Eugene Correia, Aires Rodrigues, Goa Suraj ....... and the rest of us
Eugene Correia wrote:- He attacks the BJP as communal and fundamentalist, a party which, I am told, Aires supported initially. What brought his change of heart is unknown to me. Gabe wrote:- I believe Aires has denied this charge and Minguel Braganza, not so long ago had to take back a similar attack, which Aires did parry. An apology was then given. So far nobody has come back, to categorically state tha Aires was a one time BJP fiddle player. Dear Gabe, Aires Rodrigues is in the trenches - neither Eugene, you nor I. are. Aires made a firm commitment to Goa and returned home for good..we haven't. BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE ...and I invite Aires to contradict me if I am wrong. Aires is ON RECORD supporting the BJP and .he personally advised me of his canvassing for the BJP ( Angle ) in South Goa. circa 2000. This does NOT make Aires a bad person - he made his choices from a distance ( my guess: with a little help from Chandrakant Keni when the latter visited the UK in 1999/00) - but learnt the realities when he returned home. All of us make errors. Besides, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Let's credit Aires for having Come, Seen Understood ..and changed course. Eugene Correia's barb at Aires is quite unfair. Aires could have made handsome poixe by going along with turmeric . But.unlike the Goa business folks .he chose to follow his conscience. Mr. Correia's points about Goa Suraj are surprisingly similar to Fred Noronha's expressed (to me) views. And I disagree with the bottom line of that view point. Goa Suraj may NOT win a single seat ever - BUT never write-off the work Goa Suraj ( and Goa Foundation) has done. Activist organizations have been crucial in blocking successive Goa governments from ripping the place up even more. They have been watchdogs - in the presence (or is it absence) of the wishy washy Goa press. my view jc _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Gabechem Chaldean caldinha 2
Gabechem Chaldean caldinha 2 Gaben boroilem The deities mentioned are B.V.M and J.C. and all those cherubic angels, as well as Arch angels, Michael the warrior and Gabriel the messenger. Gabebab..do correct me if I am wrong, but the word deity stands for God . So I do not know how a Michael and a Gabriel (even a Menezes) can be a deity? As far as Asian features vs Western features - there is such a mixup in Asia with ALL kinds of people donating genetic material during their travels et al. ...that it would be quite a problem to exclude any particular racial genotype from the Asian pool. For instance - would a Kashmiri or a Chitpavani have features which are any different from the features one sees of artistic impressions of Jesus or Mary? Aren't they Asians?..at least ..for the past...many many years? If so.why do we have these racial hangups? Inspite of being the originators of Varna. This Western, Asian, European, Eastern, Paki, Gorri, Kali, white, black stuff . is pitiful. Perhaps the 'slip' of our true complexes and prejudice is showing. Have a good weekend jc = Gabe Menezes wrote: Depends on which section of the Chaldeans one is referring to. Could be darker shade, if pertaining to the keralites and tamil peoples. Quite dark brown Arabic/Kurdish looking people originating from Iraq. We have quite a few of them here in North London, They do tasty grills, i.e. shish kebabs, koftes and lamb chops and drink sweet tea all day long, while smoking the hookah! The deities mentioned are B.V.M and J.C. and all those cherubic angels, as well as Arch angels, Michael the warrior and Gabriel the messenger. Now, I am not about to antagonize anyone by claiming that I have seen J.C. - When people make such claims they are termed as halucinating and everyone including learned Doctors will be sceptical and demand proof and claim there is no such thing a God. We are here today gone tomorrow and the stars are another matter. Have a nice weekend, I envy you and our Goa people lounging in the Sun. cheers, Gabe Menezes. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Religion and Politics - in response to Fred, Santosh and Gilbert
Frederick wrote: 1. one has to be careful not to get caught up in traps that could be used in a situation where religious polarisation is the main basis of fighting electoral battles in today's Goa. Santosh wrote: 2. As far as I am concerned, one must mount a strong opposition to revisionist propaganda Gilbert wrote : 3. It started with St. Francis Xavier, and then with the Inquisition and now the blanket statements of Churches built over temples Santosh wrote: 4. Hindutva on the other hand is a virus that has afflicted modern Indian society. It has to be eliminated using all non-violent and honest means Gilbert wrote: 5. Please take this message to the appropriate audience. Counter-acting Hindutva etc. can only be effectively done by moderate and intellectual Hindus === JC's response You three gentlemen have made excellent points. It is quite evident that those who are involved in political battles are using Religious Polarisation for political purposes. They are indeed using Revisionist Propaganda as a means to an end. That end is political control. There is no doubt that they need to be Peacefully but consistently Opposed. I believe that many among us see through the Sound Bytes that are repeated by the Hindutva Propagandists. It's the same old refrain that is being repeated over and over again. Sonia, Foreign, Catholic, SFX, Inquisition, Churches, Forced Conversions etc. Those among us who remember that good old Hindutva idealogue Ashok Chowgule would surely recollect his Constant Refrains of the late 1990s. He too had anti Catholic, SFX, Inquisition, Churches, Forced Conversions refrains. Not much of Sonia from him - but he specialised in anti-Pope, Portuguese, Mother Teresa stuff. You do remember how one deals with the Guy who lives in the glass house and throws stones at others - Don't you? In the case of the Hindutva protagonists, the only way, I believe, one counters them is by alerting them to the following: 1. The Caste System is the original form of Racism 2. Some Catholic Churches were built on the ruins of Hindu Temples, But many Hindu Temples were built on / or are modified Buddhist Temples. 3. Many low caste Hindus left the scourge of the Hindu Caste System by converting to Buddhism, Islam and Christianity. 4.Aryan and Dravidian religions - you may call them one religion - but they aren't. They have been conveniently merged a la the NDA. And over the years, the margins have been slowly but surely blurred to give the Brahmins control. 5. During Aurangzeb's time, many Hindu temples were destroyed because they were used for perpetuating the Devdasi system - prostitution with religious sanction. 6. The Catholic Inquisition was horrible - Hindu Sati was worse! After a few rounds of the above - the good Ashok Chowgule stopped spreading anti-Catholic bile on many Goa related fora. This is NOT to say that we should condone the Vile Inquisition or the intolerant Moghal regime. Only to remind ALL SUNDRY that we are all sinners - and we ALL need to be more tolerant of each other Help each other. We must accept that extremists from ALL religions (including Christianity) have continue to exhibit intolerance towards those who do NOT see eye to eye with them. Therefore, not only should Hindutva be opposed - but also the Rt. Wing intolerant stuff from ALL religions. It is only then will we find more moderate and intellectual Hindus willing to counter Hindutva virulence. Life is a circle. What goes around, comes around. Things will get worse before they get better. There was a time when Salazarism was it. That has gone far away to keep company with the Intolerance of the Inquisitors, The Satists, The Moghals, Peshwas, Kadambas, the Nazis and the rest. The present is the time when Religious Nuts (like the Hindutva folks the Islamic and Christian extremists) are flexing their muscles. Much selective truth and falsehood will be spread. It will remain with us for some time, create a lot of strife and suffering, BUT it too shall come to pass. If we are truly moderates and intellectuals, we will realise that quickly, and go about our vocations and professions in as diligent a fashion as is humanly possible. good wishes to all jose _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Nairs and de booby trap
Radha Nair wrote: Dr Jose Colaco is not showing any signs of growing up. He's still obsessed with breasts and aparon strings. He asks: Has anyone found the answer YET as to WHY the RULING NAIRS of Kerala had / condoned / supported the law which expected Lower Caste women to expose their BOSOMS to these guys? Dear doctor, the answer to your question is pretty obvious to us grown-up men: we just love gorgeous BOSOMS and admire shapely ones. We've long grown out of the belief that a woman's breasts are meant merely for feeding babies. The Goanet regulations do not permit me to reveal anymore details to kids. If you're still curious, please ask Cecil or Marlon. They'll explain the other functions to you in Konkani or Portuguese. Hold your horses till then! jc response= Aago Radha Thanx for resposte Agree that you grown ups from Nair-land have one more use for bosoms - besides breast feeding. I liked above answer. It is written in fine style. Rasam and ting added to purrrfecshun. But, unfortunately, it is still a DUCK. aka a Podda Duck Your flowery resposte fails to answer (DUCKS) the questions - Here, I will re-type them slowly. 1. WHY only LOWER caste women ? 2. WHY were they PERSECUTED if they did NOT comply with the abusive NAIR-condoned rules ? 3. WHY is that abusive NAIR-condoned rule NO longer in force ? Horses held in lungi for now jc _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]RE: BCCI , CONGRESS, Vatican and Krishna's expected Bosom Duck!
From: N.KRISHNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] The recent report that London managers fraud costs BoI $82m may not be a simple case of fraud and could involve political pressure and if the past is any thing to go by, Congress could be the prime suspect. Dear Mr.N. Krishna, BSc (Eng), DBM, DITM, PGDTQM, PGDEM, MIE, CE, MIHospE (UK), MemASHRAE (USA), ISHRAE Ex. Senior Scientific Officer, Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Bombay, I still await your clarification to my TWO previously asked but yet unanswered very simple questions: 1. WHAT is the basis of the allegation you made in your letter to the new CEC? : Sonia Gandhi ... voted in 1980, a solid three years before she became a citizen of India 2. Could you please enlighten me WHY it was that HINDU MEN expected HINDU WOMEN of lower caste to FLASH THEIR BREASTS as a form of salutation? reference. courtesy http://www.kerala.cc/keralahistory/index25.htm Nowyou have come up with some NEW well worn talking point. The Iraq Oil bribe for India Congress bogus story was posted several months ago on Goanet by a Chaddiwalla whose name escapes me at this moment. He did NOT bother to post the DENIAL. Here you are AGAIN with this BCCI and Indian Congress storyand the Vatican Bank addendum. I for one fully agree with you. The Congress Topiwallas are, and the Banco Ambrosiano fellas were NO GOOD ! But, the monopoly on being NO GOOD is not only with the Topiwallas - and the Vatican wallas. What about the Chaddiwallas. While you procedd to DUCK and Weave around the First 2 questions reposted above, May I ask my question No 3 of a learned man (with Multiple Diplomatosis Exponensis) like you: Do you agree with the following story in the Chandigarh Tribune ? I DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT: Await your response. Though as per my experience with other Tumeric spouts we have had before. They spew hatred, abuse and run away with a DUCK of the questions jc http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040226/world.htm#1 UK charities scam linked to Sangh Parivar Ashish Kumar Sen Washington, February 25 A report to be released in the House of Lords in London today provides alarming evidence linking UK-based charities to Sangh Parivar groups in India. The report, In Bad Faith? British Charity and Hindu Extremism, produced by Awaaz, a London-based secular network, states that these charities collected donations running into millions of pounds from the British public under the guise of humanitarian causes. Most prominent among these were relief efforts to aid victims of the Orissa cyclone and the Gujarat earthquake. We do not think it is a coincidence that the two Indian states where Hindutva networks, violence and hatred have grown phenomenally in recent years both had natural and human tragedies, followed by massive funding to Hindutva organisations from overseas, the report says. The document explains in detail how the UK based Sewa International sent £2 million raised for Gujarat earthquake relief to its Indian counterpart, Sewa Bharati. Part of the Sangh Parivar, Sewa Bharati has a well-documented agenda of expanding Hindutva networks in India. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Temple Tantrums, Pagoda ani K4 (konne konnank kitem kellem)
Temple Tantrums, Pagoda ani K4 (konne konnank kitem kellem) From: Lino Leitao [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat Mar 20, 2004 11:27 pm Subject: Fw: [The Goan Forum d-list] Nossa Senhora Da Piedade - Divar Hindus, my ancestors, had temples in the shape of pagodas in Goa, and I think some are still there in that shape in Goa. But without proper research, one cannot be accurate about that, can we? Those who are passionate about this should take sabatical and do some research on this subject and educate us. Dear all I have been following this Temple Tantrum for some time. It is my opinion that the skepticism of Gilbert and the bemusement of Santosh - both are well placed. Some thoughts - random order 1. What is the use of ANY religion if its fanatical followers have NO concept of Peace, Understanding, Compassion and Caring for the downtrodden.? 2. Lino's Hindu ancestors may have had their temples restructured into Catholic churches, but what about (say) MY Buddhist ancestors whose Pagodas and Stupas were restructured into Hindu temples? And where on earth are the Goan Buddhist sites? ( please see Appendix 2 3 below) 3. Being an absolute rank amateur armchair researchist myself, I hope (if when I grow up) to be like the REAL researchers who quote SELECTIVELY from a document here and a document there and proclaim ...EUREKA! .I is de beshtest! I invite those BESHTEST researchers to read Appendix 1 - and DE DOCUMENTES ! BTW: Has anyone found the answer YET as to WHY the RULING NAIRS of Kerala had / condoned / supported the law which expected Lower Caste women to expose their BOSOMS to these guys? Can you imagine the gall of these guys to lecture others about the Empire striking Back jose Me No likes No chaddiwala(i) nor topiwalla(i) - They all is Corrupt to the core. Tumeric or no tumeric = Appendix 1 - FAKE DOCUMENTS http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3549679.stm MP George Galloway has accepted damages and a public apology over an American newspaper article = Appendix 2 - TEMPLE KEMPLE http://www.colaco.net/3/religionindianpoliticians.htm Pravin Sabnis May 27, 2002 They dig up graveyards of history to show how temples were demolished to make way for mosques. If they dig further, they would find scores of Stupas being demolished to build temples. = Appendix 3 - TIME for the Chaddiwallas to take note Evidence of early Buddhist influence in Goa * the first image of Buddha - excavation Henry Heras SJ at Mushira Waddo in Colvale in the 1930 - image of Buddha in Dhyanamudra is dated 4th century AD * the second image of Buddha - bronze - found in the house of Mhamai Kamat of Panaji - dated to 7th century AD * the third image of Buddha - in Rivona, Sanguem - belongs to 7th century AD * two rock cuts caves in Lamgao near Bicholim - The name of the village suggestive of being of Buddhist origin and it essentially means abode of the Lamas, the Buddhist monks of Tibet. * the cave complex at Arvalem now known as the Pandava Caves was also of Buddhist origin, later MODIFIED into a Hindu shrine. === Appendix 4 (full script of above) http://goacentral.com/Goamonuments/early_buddhist_and_jain_influence_in_goa.htm The discovery of the first image of Buddha. The late Fr. Henry Heras, then the principal of St. Xaviers College, Bombay conducted a small excavation at Mushira Waddo in Colvale in the 1930. During the excavation, he discovered an image of Buddha. This image is now exhibited in the Fr. Heras Institute, located in St. Xaviers college, Bombay. The image of Buddha in Dhyanamudra is dated 4th century AD. It is postulated that the Buddhist monastery at Mushira Waddo might have been established by the feudatory rules of Goa, i.e. the Bhojas of Chandrapur. However, no traces of the monastery are found at Mushira Waddo today. The discovery of the second image of Buddha The second image is the head of Buddha in bronze was found in the house of Mhamai Kamat of Panaji and presently exhibited in the State Museum of Goa. It is a beautiful piece of bronze of a very small size (about 3cm.x2cm,). This head of Buddha is dated to 7th century AD. The discovery of the third image of Buddha This image was discovered in Rivona, Sanguem taluka, which is about 70 Kms from Panaji. This image is in Bhumi Sparsha Mudra and is headless. The height of the image up to shoulders is 90cms and the breadth of Vajrasana is 115cms. The huge rectangular pedestal of which this above image was placed in the monastery was also found. The two other small pedestals on which perhaps Bodhisattva images were placed were also found. However, Bodhisattva images were not found. The image of Buddha from Rivona belongs to 7th century AD. This image of Buddha was found lying in a topsy-turvy fashion in the midst of a field
[Goanet]Sonia , Janet...and der Missionaries : NOT bosom buddies of N. Krishna!
Dear Mr.N. Krishna, BSc (Eng), DBM, DITM, PGDTQM, PGDEM, MIE, CE, MIHospE (UK), MemASHRAE (USA), ISHRAE Ex. Senior Scientific Officer, Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Bombay, I still await your clarification to my very simple question: WHAT is the basis of the following allegation which you made in your letter to the new CEC? Krishna: Sonia Gandhi ... voted in 1980, a solid three years before she became a citizen of India Now, I understand your position on conversions. I strongly believe that FORCED or COERCED conversions to any Religion, are NOT conversions. If it is to Christianity, these individuals are certainly NOT Christians, never mind their names, surnames or pictures hanging on the wall. I'll add this up front here and let you respond. It is my belief that ALL Religions have good people and bad people. People of ALL religions have BUTCHERED others.and that includes the Christians with their totally unChristian and disgusting Inquisition Hindus with their equally vile Sati. Please also see point 5 below. I also believe that people of ALL religions have destroyed or modified temples, mosques, pagodas of other religions and built their own structures on top of them. (Please read http://www.kerala.cc/keralahistory/index11.htm onwards) Those among us who are educated - have surely learnt NOT to fall for the CON fed us by politicians and religious NUTS? If we haven't learnt to question these MATLABI people, what is the use of our education and our Multiple Diplomatosis Exponensis? It is possible that that you do not like Sonia Gandhi because of her Catholic faith. There are others who believe that those who NOT born in India should NOT run for office. These people realise that Sonia, though born in Italy, is a citizen of India - and as per the Constitution of India, is eligible to Hold ANY office in India - as is Advani who was born in (now Pakistan) then British India .NOT India! If my guess is correct - many senior BJP ministers were born in British India! My personal position is that Sonia will make a lousy PM. She should use this opportunity to retire in some hill station or even migrate to Rome. Visit India every now and them - but stay far fom those corrupt Topiwallas and equally corrupt chaddiwalas - and their respective female counterparts. But then - it is possible that you have a problem with Christians. I hope it is NOT because of item 8 below. BTW: You seem to be a learned man - Could you please enlighten me WHY it was that HINDU MEN expected HINDU WOMEN of lower caste to FLASH THEIR BREASTS as a form of salutation? And ...Is it possible that the one and only Janet Jackson thought that Justin Timberlake was a Brahmin chap? I ask because I do not know. My points followed by the full text. courtesy http://www.kerala.cc/keralahistory/index25.htm don't forget to reply jose colaco ===TALKING POINTS 1. Kerala - the most caste-ridden of all the regions of India is today the least caste-ridden area. 2. Since the arrival of Aryan Brahmis in Kerala in the eighth century, the society was hierarchically restructured on the principles of caste. 3. the Nairs owned most of the land and oppressed the tenants who were mostly Muslim Mappilas, Ezhavas, Pariahs, and Pulayas. 4. Like the Medieval Catholic Church and its clergy in Europe, the upper castes exemption from paying taxes. The Brahmins enjoyed immunity from death penalty () made the laws, and applied them differently to different castes. 5. The (Hindu Brahmin) law was extremely cruel toward castes. capital punishment took the forms of being trampled to death under an elephant, being blown from the mouth of a cannon, by hanging which lasted for three days, and by mutilation. (PLEASE NOTE: The premeditated and gruesome murder in South India, of John de Britto SJ which best attests to the cruelty of the times. Fr. Britto was dismembered and then beheaded on the 11th of February 1693 as per the order of the Hindu Raja of the area. courtesy http://www.colaco.net/3/VFTB-SCR.htm ) 6. Occupational classes had to (provide) service for the Brahmins often without compensation. Slavery was practiced with impunity even in the twentieth century at least, in the form of bonded labor. 7. The proper salutation from a woman to persons of rank was to uncover the BOSOM. 8. The Shanar women of South Travancore who became Christians began covering their upper bodies with blouse (kuppayam) and towel like the upper-caste-women in the 1850's; these women were persecuted for their defiance of traditional caste law on dressing. 9. Western education provided in missionary schools created a new sense of equality and an awareness of the injustice of caste discrimination not only among members of the lower castes but also among members of the upper class. FULL TEXT http://www.kerala.cc/keralahistory/index25.htm Social
[Goanet]Re: KRISHNA Church call to christians to vote for christian candidates only
Dear Mr. Krishna, Thank you for your response. I am simple guy - let's say Matric fail like my good colleague from Houston Dr. Santosh Helekar I like to take one subject at a time. let's take this first topic which you raised - re Sonia having VOTED 3 years before she was an Indian citizen. On what basis have you made that allegation? And WHY have you NOT filed a PIL against her? Perhaps you should agree to spend ten years in jail IF it turns up that you have falsely accused her. If you are right - she should spend ten years in jail. As far as CONVERSIONS are concerned - it is my belief - and correct me if I am wrong that the ORIGINAL INHABITANTS of Tamil Nadu were NOT Hindu, nor Christian nor Muslim. They were CONVERTED by Brahmins, Catholics and Muslims let me hear what you think about that? I am glad that you have quoted Tehelka - WHO SHUT TEHELKA down...my friend why? await your answer jc === I had a student at Calicut REC in 1968 by the name Colaco and I am sure that you are not the same person. Since Colaco was one of my favorite student I thought of responding to your Gasper letter. Some of my best friends and even relatives are Christians and our celebration of Christmas used to continue till the celebration of the new year. But they are scientists who understood that the concept of god is a human made malady and religion is an organised method to loot and control the ignorant. Sometime back when I came to live in Hyderabad, the first visitors to my home were two Christian Tribal ladies working in the state government asking us to covert to Christianity and given us a bunch of christian conversion literature. This was even before my relatives are aware that I am in Hyderabad. Such is the conversion network of Christians now in India. Christians have gone overboard in India. I found that Hindus have to convert to Christianity to get admission in BEd courses in AP colleges run by the minority racket that is going on in India which I read in the Times of India Newspaper in Hyderabad. Christians have become a security threat to India. We had to postpone the 1995 planned nuclear explosion, because Americans found about our plans and they could collect this information because of the presence of Christians in our establishment. It is not only one Mathew of the Home Dept, who is reportedly associated with Tehelka but a host of christian central government officers are undermining our government policies. In short one has to wonder about the loyalties of Christians to this nation. Please read the Tehelka expose published recently on Christian conversion going on in India. Many northeastern states in India is totally converted by foreign missionaries and these Christians are asking for separation from India. Missionaries are not even leaving Afghanistan or Iraq _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Krishna and Stats!
Dear Gaspar I agree with with a lot of what Mr. Krishna has written in opposition to Reservation of seats for any religious denomination. If the AP Christian demand is accurately reported, it should be treated with the contempt it deserves. However, I would like to know WHERE Mr. Krishna got the following information: Krishna1. In states like Tamil Nadu this rampant conversion by missionaries had resulted in the growth of up to 50% Christian population in the coastal Kanyakumari district. Krishna2. CEC should also investigate even the past misdeeds of leaders like Sonia Gandhi who voted in 1980, a solid three years before she became a citizen of India . BTW: Having studied Statistics and the devious manner in which Statistics are USED by politicians and propagandists, May I ask about the SIGNIFICANCE (as in p value) of this growth of UPTO 50% In other words, if there were 2 Christians in a certain village in the year 2000, and they have a child in 2004. Could it be said that there is a 50% GROWTH SPURT in the past few months? There are other points which I will raise - for now - I will let this rest with the following from Kerala .cc sincerely j.colaco (My qualifications have no relevance to this communication - hence withheld) please see: http://www.kerala.cc/keralahistory/index12.htm cc to: N. KRISHNA N.Krishna, BSc (Eng), DBM, DITM, PGDTQM, PGDEM, MIE, CE, MIHospE (UK), MemASHRAE (USA), ISHRAE Ex. Senior Scientific Officer, Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Bombay P.O. Box 1055, Himayat Nagar, Hyderabad 500029 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] LETTER TO THE EDITOR To, The Editor16-3-04 Sir, CODE OF CONDUCT FOR ECI I was surprised to see our newly appointed Indian Chief Election Commissioner T.S. Krishnamurthy in the company of Christian priests attending some function in Chennai which was widely shown in TV channels. This is immediately after some of the Christian priests' associations had given calls to Christians to vote for Christian candidates only. In the second week of February 2004 the National Congress of Indian Christians (NCIC) had written to the Christian Sonia Gandhi to allot 30 seats for Christian candidates for the Andhra Pradesh assembly elections saying that the Christian population in AP is now 10%. This request itself is not surprising as the Congress party appears to be taken over by the Christians. So far the Christians were claiming that they are only 2.3% of the population and the sudden spurt in their population in AP indicates the rampant and virulent conversion activities that is going on for the past decade in AP, with the connivance of the politicians like Chandrababu Naidu and with the help of foreign missionaries in business visa operating in the state violating the law of the land. In states like Tamil Nadu this rampant conversion by missionaries had resulted in the growth of up to 50% Christian population in the coastal Kanyakumari district. In February last week Christian priests assembled in Mangalore asked Christians to vote for Christian candidates only and demanded Christians to be put as candidates for various areas. This communal call is unprecedented and will open up a Pandora's Box. The CEC is required to pull up such pronouncements by communal elements, but unfortunately he was seen in their company shortly afterwards in Chennai giving a sort of legitimacy for these communal approach to our elections by Christians. Hence it is necessary that CEC should have a code of conduct and should attend only government functions and should refrain from attending other public functions. This need for a model code of conduct for the Election Commission was felt when the previous CEC James Michael Lyngdoh was in office. He once retorted to a District Collector in public as Are you a joker? Aren't you ashamed of yourself? He also referred the politicians who wanted early elections as `mad'. Later he referred the politicians as 'cancer'. He also said that the Governors are like peons. While we ordinary citizens can refer the politicians as the way we want within decent limits, a constitutional authority reporting to the politician in power, should never demean his bosses, as they are the ones we ordinary citizens have put in power by our votes. CECs had created an atmosphere of fear among the politicians by suspending even ongoing welfare and drought relief programmes. Election is a festival time for the citizens and certain amount of freedom should be allowed for the parties to freely express their opinions and there is no need to restrict the festive mood.During the election campaign the political parties and contesting candidates are expected to abide by a Model Code of Conduct evolved by the Election Commission. Similarly a model Code should be laid down for CECs. CEC should also investigate even the past misdeeds of leaders like Sonia
[Goanet]Fred, Bakshish, Elitism and Kaali-fornia type Goal Post movement!
Posted this earlier.apparently got LOST on the way to Goanet - here is another try --- From: Dr. José Colaço [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:03 am Subject: Fred, Bakshish, Elitism and Kaali-fornia type Goal Posts movement! Dear Fred, Once again, you have to forgive my difficulty with some of this VHF intellectual stuff coming from elite Goa Journos. This probably is the reason why I do not understand their (Journos) take on many matters. You(Fred) correctly quote me as writing thus: JCNow.if you read my post in toto, you just might realise that I wasn't referring to the Bakshish culture in School Entry alone.but to the Bakshish culture completamente (;-) and then proceed to ask me the following questions FN: Are you suggesting (i) that all things in Goa were generally better prior to 1961 or (ii) that some things were better prior to that date or (iii) if the Portuguese had continued ruling, we wouldn't have had some/all problems we're facing today? May I very respectfully ask IF your (Fred's) above-quoted queries are related to the BAKSHISH culture Or is this a general set of queries?. Whichever it is, please say so. In response, I will NOT ask you what RELEVANCE the quote has to your set of queries, or even the RELEVANCE of your set of queries to the TOPIC at hand, but merely give you my answers to your queries.and ask you the same questions that you have asked me. For reference, I have included (LINKED) the posts below Sincerely, jc http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goa-Goans/message/15209 _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Elite Schools query
Radhakrishnan Nair wrote (Dr Jose Colaco wrote: May I also ask if this extortion was known (this common) before 1961? If not, may be that is one point which our Goa Press chaps will write something about.) You never cease to amaze me, Dr Colaco! Let me ask you: Before 1961, how many people sent their wards to elite schools? For your information, this is a problem of relatively recent origin and is not limited to Goa alone. It has been written about umpteen times in the national and regional press. As you rightly said, education has been commercialised by cartels of unscruplous and anti-social elements. To get my younger son admitted to the kindergarten of a reputable school in Madras last year, I'd to fork out a tidy sum (for me) of Rs 20,000 in one go! Please don't look at everything thru the prism of 'before after 1961'! Regards, RKN === Dear Mr Nair, Let me offer you my regards first..on this OFF-DAY for me (:-) Ask yourself, WHY are some Goans looking at everything thru the prism of 'before after 1961'! ? Many well meaning (perhaps unintellectuals like myself) ask the question - I decided to become a lawyer, doctor, journalist etcin (say) the year 1992. After twelve years, am I better OFF today than I was in 1991? Similarly with Goa 1961. Perhaps you will understand it - perhaps not. There are others who might ask similar questions about 1992, 2000, 2003 and 2004 ! Such questions are ONLY asked, Mr. Nair, when things are kind of WORSE. Now.if you read my post in toto, you just might realise that I wasn't referring to the Bakshish culture in School Entry alone.but to the Bakshish culture completamente (;-) Perhaps you know - - re pre-1961 - did Goans have to Bakshish a peon to speak to the Empregado? or for a license to build a house or to obtain a Travel Document or Passaporte? Did they have to Bakshish the Customs officers at Pollem or Dabolim? WHAT is the scenario NOW...Mr. Nair? What is the situation now wrt Driver's license, electrical connection, ration cards, birth certificates, passports, customs, telephone lines etc? So...would you say that Goans are better off now..with this Bakshish culture? And.please do not come back with WERE there ANY telephones in Goa during the Portuguese times? I'd let you know that DESPITE the INDIAN BLOCKADE.there was no need for Ration Cards either. anyway As far as ELITE schools (anywhere) are concerned, I will accept absolute and total ignorance. Never supported elite schools, never sought them out, never will. Absolutely NEVER will PAY for Admission. As you probably know, I abhor elitism especially after I studied the Aparthied discrimination of the Elitist Caste System. As far as Goa (pre-1961) is concerned, there were EXCELLENT English Medium Schools in Margao, Pangim, Mapuca, Arpora, Bastora and Aldona. ( Alfred de Tavares - whose age you queried - studied at Bastora - if you must know) good afternoon not from Macau or Uganda but from Nassau (;-) jc _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Portuguese, Curds, Coconut Oil ani Circum-scripcao !
Alfred de Tavares boroita Cornel, My interpretation of Alu's contention is that the Indian sub-continent would still be -- most unlikely -- under the sway of Mughal Muslim rulers. Alfredo bab, This is one scenario where both Alu and Cornel might have a point. Alu (as you rightly connected) that BUT for the Portuguese, the subcontinent had an excellent chance of being Muslim Cornel - Pakistan? (the word Pakistan is an for all the territories it encompasses). Hence East Pakistan was a misnomer and S. Pakistan (Hyderabad) would have been a disaster. When one looks at the Muslim countries in the world (outside Arabia), especially Indonesia, an Islamic subcontinent was absolutely a possibility BUT for those decisive battles of Diu Vedalai where the Portuguese routed the Arab navy and bands of mercenaries respectively. The Portuguese also served in Shivaji's Maratha army - against their mutual nemesis i.e. the Muslims. I suppose it can be said that they preferred Circum-scripcao to any modification of personality (;-) Unlikely that it would have been Moghals who would be in control. More likely that the subcontinent would have had three sets of Islamic controls: Moghal+Pathan in the North, Turkish in the South and West Arab in the Western Coastal areas. A nice recipe for Shia, Sunni and Turkman kichddi, Kusti ani Mara-Mari. The only thing missing: Kurds and Oil ( Curds and Coconut Oil notwithstanding) (;-) jc What would India be like but for this Vasco da Gama voyage ? http://www.colaco.net/1/vdg3.htm (halfway down the page) There would have been one major advantage for the region if Vasco da Gama were NOT to make that historic voyage. There would be no threat of nuclear war between Pakistan and India ! For there would be no Pakistan and no India ! We would all have been part of an Arabian, Moghal or a Turkish kingdom ! There might have been inter Kingdom battles but at least NO India - Pakistan wars !!! In effect, Vasco da Gama's historic voyage paved the way for the peaceful majority Hindu society in India . So, Vasco da Gama if a nuclear war breaks out between India and Pakistan Remember that You will have been primarily responsible for it ! _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Corruption in post 1961 Goa - a response to Seb
Seb wrote: Dear Colaco, Is it not the current practice/trend to take/accept 'Bakshish' in the name of donations, even in the schools during admission? You cannot get your child admission in any school without one. -Seb == JC's response: Dear Seb, I understand that Private Schools are atleast some extorting exhorbitant amounts of funds from the families of prospective students. Some of the funds requested are justified - but not ALL. I believe that this practice started initially to enable private schools to afford better facilities to attract better students. When the money potential was recognised, the amount demanded by the in demand schools went up. Now, this stuff has become a BUSINESS. Manipal has become MONEYpal. Even so, my question is: Do most Goans go to these schools? Are there NO schools in Goa for those who refuse/cannot afford to pay up this bakshish? (unlike telephone, ration card, electrical connection and Panchayat licenses etc for which there is NO other avenue) Are Catholic Schools demanding this level of Bakshish too? If so they may have taken the SHINING Swadeshification Gas to a new level. If so too, their names should be exposed. May be the new Patriarch will strike while the iron is hot. May I also ask if this extortion was known (this common) before 1961? If not, may be that is one point which our Goa Press chaps will write something about. Or will they? Are these fellas NOT in the business MARGINALISING activists e.g. Claude Alvares, Another Goa, Rolandbab and Floriano Lobo + countless others who struggle for the disadvantaged? Aren't they not receiving Bakshish from Goa Gorrment? - in one form or another ( I ask because I do not know) ( Please tell me that I am wrong) But then again, this might be the Liberation and Vibrant Democracy that we hear all kind of platitudes about from the Swadeshi fellas. And... Silencio from the Turmeric panderers. jc == === earlier JC's input: Dear Gabe, In general, Goans refuse to bribe and be bribed. BUT I will add the following: Since 1961, Goans in Goa have increasingly been arm-twisted into the PAY UP or ELSE diktat from the mainly non-Goan civil servants. These non-Goans come from a Bakshish tradition. There is NO question about that. While a good number Goans succumb to the pressures, Many Goans have refused and suffered the consequences (quite knowingly and willingly) of NOT playing by the Bakshish rules of the system. === please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Taking MHAP of Konkani's Hijack
In trying to study the origins of Konkani, I accessed a few sites. Must add here that I will IGNORE point #3 as nonsense. According to the South Goa nic site http://southgoa.nic.in/profile.htm 1. Aryan migrated to Goa around 2400 BC. Original tribals migrated in hills due to Aryan arrival in this part 2. Mainly Aryans consisted of Bhojas, Chediyas, Kshatriyas and Brahmins were arrived in Goa. Bhojas ruled over Goa from aobout 4th century AD to 6th century AD. It is believed that Brahmins were migrated to Goa by Parashurama from Kasmir and the banks of the river Sarawati. Kadambas also ruled over Goa, they were originally from Karnataka 3. According to Ancient Indian Mythology is said that Goa was reclaimed from the sea. It is believed that Sixth Avatar of Vishnu Sage, Parshuram created the Sahyadri range and struck an arrow into the western seas. The arrow is said to have sent the seas rolling back to create Gomantak or Goa. -- Knowing the bigotry and discrimination practiced by Brahmins against the other castes, I cannot accept the position that the ORIGINAL INHABITANTS of Goa i.e. the Kokna tribals, Kunbis, Gavdis etc ADOPTED the language of the Saraswat Brahmins who basically displaced them and grabbed their land..the BOGUS Purshuram Arrow cover story notwithstanding. from the Kamat site: http://www.kamat.com/kalranga/konkani/konkani.htm 4. Aryans migrated to India familiarized themselves in North India and established several languages based on the local influence. 5. re: the diversity of today's Konkani language In Bombay, they speak in Marathi accent whereas in Konkan, they stretch the words so that no outsider can understand!. The Hindus of Goa liberally use the Portuguese words. The Konkani spoken by Nawayatis of Bhatkal is very melodious with smearing of Persian. People of South Kanara do not distinguish between nouns of Kannada and Konkani, and have developed a very business practical language. They sometimes add Tulu words also. The Konkani of Kerala is drenched with Malayalam, and the Konkanis of north Karnataka add Kannada verbs to Konkani grammar. The city-bred use a plenty of English. 6. Although originally Konkani was the language of Saraswat Brahmins, millions have ADOPTED it as their mother-tongue. Sonar(Suvarnakar), Serugar, Mestri, Sutar, Vani, Devali, Siddi, Gabeet, Kharvi, Dalji, Samgar, Nawayati, etc. are some of the communities who speak Konkani. -- Having read the Alok Rai book on the HiJacking of HINDI, I am begining to wonder whether KONKANI was Hijacked by the S-Konkaniwallahs. I believe it was I personally believe that Dr. Nandkumar Kamat's article makes most sense: http://www.colaco.net/1/nanduKonkaniRoots.htm what do you folks think? BTW: Has this been answered yet? Is the Konkani word for Measure MHAP or MAAP? If it is MAAP, and not MHAP - what kind of turmeric pandering is this MHAPSA nonsense? sincerely jc _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Senhor Jorge's Words of Truth
Senhor Jorge Pinto boroita Noted journalist Fred Noronha said this is the first instance of Roman bias in Goan sports media. Jose Colaco said the first instance was in a SIDDI football game, but no one talks about the SIDDIS. Khorem re saiba. Senhor Jorge baban boremch boroilem. Ghae! Hemh vachath: http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19971223/35750303.html Substitute PJ Jose's blow in the 88th minute felled the dominating Goans in the Philips National Football League (NFL) encounter at the Cooperage. Jose, enjoying a kind bounce, unleashed an angular right-footer with the outstep that left JUJE SIDDI dumbfounded. Jose nuim Juje, na zuze, na Bernado, na Ole_Xac, na Vivek aiklam murre Malapropappa!?! latest on TGF : BJP = Congress+Assafrao? http://www.colaco.net/1/TGFgoamediawatch.htm _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Congratulations - Kuwait Goans for the Konkani Musical Show
Dear Gaspar, Thanks for that posting about the Konkani Musical Show in Kuwait held yesterday. Knowing how difficult it is to organise these events - especially when one has a full time job to do, please llow me to add my Congratulations to the organizers. It is some credit to the organisers that there were over 45 participants in the show, including 22 member band (3 Goan musicians - trumpeters and saxaphone players were specially flown in). It is an absolute achievement to have got hold of Remmie Colaco and Jose Rod to be at the show. BTW, did the Kuwait-GWS have anything to do with the show. From what I understand, Kuwait-GWS is one solid organisation. Is the good AvF part of GWS. If so, Please convey my Congratulations to him too.and to Ashok, Wilson and Mario. No news from Uly! Hibernating? all the best jc _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
