Re: [h-cost] a cheat's late Victorian hat

[Elizabeth Walpole]

thanks for everyone for the advice, I'm going to cut out the Butterick 
bonnet 
(http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4210=x&TI='4210'&page=1 
view B but minus the brim so it will stop where the trim is in the picture) 
in paper and see how  it looks. If that doesn't work I'll just have to wait 
a while until I have time to get to an op shop (aka thrift store / charity 
shop, and people say we speak the same language :-D) and see if they have 
any hats I could re-make (at the moment I'm working on this in 5 minute 
blocks in between trying to write 5 essays for Uni)

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Walpole
Canberra Australia
ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au
http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/

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Re: [h-cost] not Perpignan, but... (stretchy wools)

[Catherine Olanich Raymond]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of E House
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:35 AM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: [h-cost] not Perpignan, but... (stretchy wools)
>
>
> Not too long ago I chanced on a very interesting piece of wool fabric. 
> It's
>
> 100% wool, but due to the way it's made, it has as much natural stretch as
> a lycra/wool blend!  (Yes, I'm sure it's 100% wool.)
>
> It's a slightly loose basket weave, but that alone isn't what makes it so
> stretchy; rather, the stretchiness seems to come from the fact that both
> warp and weft are VERY tightly twisted.  With the slightly loose weave,
> both warp and weft sort of crimp up a lot more than you usually see, so when 
> you  pull on it, the threads straighten out temporarily.  The tightness of 
> the spinning keeps the whole thing from shrinking up; the weave stays 
>slightly loose.  (If it shrank at all after I washed it, the amount was too 
> small for me to measure.)  When pulled, it stretches to about 110%-115% of 
> its  original length/width.  That may not sound like much, but it's a whole 
> lot when, say, you're making a supportive gown, or a pair of hose.

Sounds like a wool crepe to me.  I used some for a bliaut once, and it molded 
to my form and refused to form the characteristic wrinkles.  




-- 
Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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-- George Mabry

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RE: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[Sharon Collier]

Another place to try is
www.rockettsforge.com
He has lots of period things, plus he can make something if you don't see it
on his site. He is very nice, does good work and his things are excellent
quality.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:15 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse


Greetings,

I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening style purse.  It 
has a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that the leather 
pouch hangs from, in case you don't know what I mean by "frame".  I'm 
not sure what the actual name of that type of purse would be. Does 
anyone know where I can purchase such an item?  I have yet to turn up 
a merchant who sells them.  Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Danielle

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RE: [h-cost] not Perpignan, but... (stretchy wools)

[Sharon Collier]

Where did you get it?

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of E House
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:35 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] not Perpignan, but... (stretchy wools)


Not too long ago I chanced on a very interesting piece of wool fabric.  It's

100% wool, but due to the way it's made, it has as much natural stretch as a

lycra/wool blend!  (Yes, I'm sure it's 100% wool.)

It's a slightly loose basket weave, but that alone isn't what makes it so 
stretchy; rather, the stretchiness seems to come from the fact that both 
warp and weft are VERY tightly twisted.  With the slightly loose weave, both

warp and weft sort of crimp up a lot more than you usually see, so when you 
pull on it, the threads straighten out temporarily.  The tightness of the 
spinning keeps the whole thing from shrinking up; the weave stays slightly 
loose.  (If it shrank at all after I washed it, the amount was too small for

me to measure.)  When pulled, it stretches to about 110%-115% of its 
original length/width.  That may not sound like much, but it's a whole lot 
when, say, you're making a supportive gown, or a pair of hose.

I'm in love with it.  I've got about 7 yds of it, and I am afraid to use it,

because my hoarding instinct says it must be saved for the exact right 
project.  (It wants to be 2 different styles of supportive undergowns, and I

think I can get both out of it, but then it'd be gone and I'd lose/gain 20 
lbs and be unable to wear them.)

But more importantly, it has completely changed my idea of how much stretch 
medieval wool fabrics might have had!  I've read archaeological reports of 
worsted textiles made from yarns spun with a high twist before; I am now 
going to go back and give them a much closer look.  Somehow, I doubt that 
the archaeologists who studied those textiles gave 'em a good stretch...

-E House



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[h-cost] not Perpignan, but... (stretchy wools)

[E House]

Not too long ago I chanced on a very interesting piece of wool fabric.  It's 
100% wool, but due to the way it's made, it has as much natural stretch as a 
lycra/wool blend!  (Yes, I'm sure it's 100% wool.)


It's a slightly loose basket weave, but that alone isn't what makes it so 
stretchy; rather, the stretchiness seems to come from the fact that both 
warp and weft are VERY tightly twisted.  With the slightly loose weave, both 
warp and weft sort of crimp up a lot more than you usually see, so when you 
pull on it, the threads straighten out temporarily.  The tightness of the 
spinning keeps the whole thing from shrinking up; the weave stays slightly 
loose.  (If it shrank at all after I washed it, the amount was too small for 
me to measure.)  When pulled, it stretches to about 110%-115% of its 
original length/width.  That may not sound like much, but it's a whole lot 
when, say, you're making a supportive gown, or a pair of hose.


I'm in love with it.  I've got about 7 yds of it, and I am afraid to use it, 
because my hoarding instinct says it must be saved for the exact right 
project.  (It wants to be 2 different styles of supportive undergowns, and I 
think I can get both out of it, but then it'd be gone and I'd lose/gain 20 
lbs and be unable to wear them.)


But more importantly, it has completely changed my idea of how much stretch 
medieval wool fabrics might have had!  I've read archaeological reports of 
worsted textiles made from yarns spun with a high twist before; I am now 
going to go back and give them a much closer look.  Somehow, I doubt that 
the archaeologists who studied those textiles gave 'em a good stretch...


-E House



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Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?

[Sue Clemenger]

Thanks, Sunny...those were the ones I was thinking of when I posted this
morning (the ones in _QE Unlocked_).
--Sue

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?


>
> > I'm neew to this list and have enjoyed learning a lot of
> > different things.  I do recreating the 1500's.  I didn't
> > realize that they had split drawers in the 16th cen.  Do you
> > have any historical evidence that they had them in the
> > nobility class in the midto late 1500's, and what they were
> > made of?  I would appreciate any information.  Lynn
>
> I'm not an expert on split drawers, but I believe the surviving examples
in the 1500s are all Italian (and all decidedly upper-class). They are
discussed in either _Moda a Firenze_ or _Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe
Unlock'd_ (I'm away from my library so I can't check, sorry! It may be
discussed in both...). Another place to look is the Realm of
Venus>Library>Drawers - Brache or Calze:
>
> The article is:
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/drawers.htm
>
> Pictures of extant drawers (not all with split legs):
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/extdraw.htm
> http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/extdraw1.htm
> http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/extdraw2.htm
>
> A while ago, I thought someone from this list went to the Met in NY to
look at extant 16th cent. Italian chemises and drawers, but I no longer
remember _who_...
> Hope that helps,
> -sunny


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Re: [h-cost] measurement chart site?

[Debloughcostumes]

don't know of a website, but metric pattern cutting by winifred aldwych  
(sp?) has good charts (though they're obv metric - I tend to convert to inches  
on 
a spreadsheet)



   
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Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats

[michaela de bruce]

I've heard people talk about making hats out of theatrical buckram. But I didn't think 
that Buckram, as we know it, existed in the 16th century. If not, then what DID exist as 
"Buckram"? What were the internal structure of hats made out of?


As far as I can tell there is buckram (buckeram, bokeram etc) which is
a linen cloth and then there is stiffened buckram (buckeram, bokeram
etc) which is stiffened with glue in much the same way as modern
buckram is. There is probably a difference in glue type and weave
though;)

Bokeram as a lining for a dress:
Part XII: Privy Purse Expenses of Elizabeth of York: Entries #32 through 41.
http://www.r3.org/bookcase/wardrobe/ward12.html
"Itmthe same day to Henry Bryan for xvij yerdes of blake velvet
for a gowne for the Quene at x s. vj d. the yerde viij li. xviij s. vj
d. Itm for xiij yerdes of blake satten delivered to Johnson for a
riding gowne for the Quene at ix s. the yerde C xvij s. Itm for a
yerde di quarter of blake velvet for an edge and cuffes for the same
gowne at xj s. vj d. the yerde xiij s. Itm for vij yerdes di of blake
bokeram for lynyng of the same gowne at ix d. the yerde v s. viij d.
ob. Itm for a nayle of sarcenet for fentes for the same gowne iiij d.
and for an elle quarter of canvase for lynyng of the same gowne vj d.
Sm{a} --xv li. xiiij s. xj d. ob."
The style at the time doesn't suggest that this would be stiffened
buckram. The canvas above could also be for interlining the body for
support.


Canvas is also mentioned for a lining:
Part VIII: Privy Purse Expenses of Elizabeth of York: Entries #1 through 7.
http://www.r3.org/bookcase/wardrobe/ward9.html
" Itm for upper bodyeng sleving and lynyng of a gowne of blake velvet
for the Quene of Scottes xx d. Itm for canvas to the same iij d."
(btw I love this  "Itm for a grete basket for the Quenes stuf vj d""
for her "stuff")

Mary's wardrobe accounts apparently include a fine paste buckram for a
farthingale I think

Michaela de Bruce
http://glittersweet.com
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RE: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[Sharon Collier]

I asked the woman who has one. She made hers using 2 metal embroidery
frames. She attached them together with a lightweight hinge, which she sewed
on. I think she covered the frames first, then sewed on the hinge. Hope this
helps.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:15 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse


Greetings,

I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening style purse.  It 
has a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that the leather 
pouch hangs from, in case you don't know what I mean by "frame".  I'm 
not sure what the actual name of that type of purse would be. Does 
anyone know where I can purchase such an item?  I have yet to turn up 
a merchant who sells them.  Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Danielle

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[h-cost] Re: Split drawers expert?

[Ann Catelli]

--- Sue Clemenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> split drawers 
> I
> was wondering if that "flip the skirts up over one's
> head and wiggle one's
> backside move, or the high kicks, originally offered
> more of a *koff* view
> than we'd think).  When did it become common
> practice for the split to be sewn up?
> --Sue

About the time the cancan was invented.  
At least for actresses and other notorious female
segments of society.

They were showing the new shocking Closed
Drawers--very masculine garments, you understand.


Open drawers are a lot more practical if you are
wearing your drawers under your corsets, of course.

Closed drawers (or modern underpants) can be yanked
down in an emergency, but are really difficult to get
back in place after the emergency had been dealt with.
:/

Ann in CT


 

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[h-cost] Re:oops

[Debloughcostumes]

apologies for not changing titles in my last post - realised as I hit the  
button I hadn't (was up all night so not entirely with it - sos!!)
 
debs



   
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[h-cost] Body measurement chart

[Valerie Frank]

Hello,

The Threads magazine site has a pretty decent chart for women's 
clothes and also one that can be used to figure ease based on favorite 
garments.  Look under sewing basics and fitting.


Anna von Argenthal
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[h-cost] 16th Century Hats

[Tori Ruhl]

I've heard people talk about making hats out of theatrical buckram. But I 
didn't think that Buckram, as we know it, existed in the 16th century. If not, 
then what DID exist as "Buckram"? What were the internal structure of hats made 
out of? 
I've seen the wire frame for the gabled hood at the V&A, but there had to have 
been more to the support structure than just wires. 

Any input, sources, opinions...etc. are greatly appreciated.

- Tori



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Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[MaggiRos]

--- Cynthia Virtue
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> MaggiRos wrote:
> > What's being asked for is (or should be)something
> like
> > this
> >
> http://www.curiousfrau.com/Art_Research/pouches.htm
> >
> > I don't know anyone who makes them, although
> something
> > similar can be built on with a plain ring. 
> >   
> What a useful page -- thank  you!
You're welcome!

> Here are the two that are in Boucher:
> 
>
http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1400s_real_purses.jpg
>

Yes, exactly. It's good to look at the pictures and
start to see what's there is not what you expect. One
of my favorite resources is J.R. Hale's Artists &
Warfare in the Renaissance. ISBN-13: 978-0300048407
http://www.amazon.com/Artists-Warfare-Renaissance-J-Hale/dp/0300048408

It's both an art book and a history book, and the
details even in the large scenes are amazing.
Excellent sources for both German and Italian soldiers
and their women, plus nobles and some pageant stuff.

MaggiRos



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Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?

[Lavolta Press]

Somewhere I have information on the wardrobe of Juana "the Mad" 
(Katherine of Aragon's sister) . . . she wore drawers.


Fran

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

I'm neew to this list and have enjoyed learning a lot of 
different things.  I do recreating the 1500's.  I didn't 
realize that they had split drawers in the 16th cen.  Do you 
have any historical evidence that they had them in the 
nobility class in the midto late 1500's, and what they were 
made of?  I would appreciate any information.  Lynn



I'm not an expert on split drawers, but I believe the surviving examples in the 1500s 
are all Italian (and all decidedly upper-class). They are discussed in either _Moda a 
Firenze_ or _Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd_ (I'm away from my library so I 
can't check, sorry! It may be discussed in both...). Another place to look is the 
Realm of Venus>Library>Drawers - Brache or Calze:

The article is: http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/drawers.htm

Pictures of extant drawers (not all with split legs): 
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/extdraw.htm
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/extdraw1.htm
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/extdraw2.htm

A while ago, I thought someone from this list went to the Met in NY to look at 
extant 16th cent. Italian chemises and drawers, but I no longer remember 
_who_...
Hope that helps,
-sunny
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Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?

[sunshine_buchler]

 
> I'm neew to this list and have enjoyed learning a lot of 
> different things.  I do recreating the 1500's.  I didn't 
> realize that they had split drawers in the 16th cen.  Do you 
> have any historical evidence that they had them in the 
> nobility class in the midto late 1500's, and what they were 
> made of?  I would appreciate any information.  Lynn

I'm not an expert on split drawers, but I believe the surviving examples in the 
1500s are all Italian (and all decidedly upper-class). They are discussed in 
either _Moda a Firenze_ or _Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd_ (I'm away from 
my library so I can't check, sorry! It may be discussed in both...). Another 
place to look is the Realm of Venus>Library>Drawers - Brache or Calze:

The article is: http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/drawers.htm

Pictures of extant drawers (not all with split legs): 
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/extdraw.htm
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/extdraw1.htm
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/extdraw2.htm

A while ago, I thought someone from this list went to the Met in NY to look at 
extant 16th cent. Italian chemises and drawers, but I no longer remember 
_who_...
Hope that helps,
-sunny
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Re: [h-cost] Re: new costume and textile books from DBBC

[Catherine Olanich Raymond]

On Thursday 17 May 2007, Cynthia J Ley wrote:
> Don't shoot the messenger! blame it on Ian at David Brown Book Company!

I just got my copy in today's mail.  (And because I'm home sick, I'm here to 
look at it, hee, hee).

However, I did not get it from David Brown.  Last week I found a UK vendor 
through Amazon Marketplace called The Book Depository who was promising to 
sell it for about $29 USD plus $3.49 USD shipping (Amazon marketplace's 
standard shipping rate).  So I grabbed it and cancelled my DBBC order, and 
TBD delievered!


-- 
Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 240

[Kathy Page]

There is a bit of a hair to split in these statements. 

"Split" is an important word here. The 16th century Sicilian underwear are not 
split in the 19th century sense. They are fully attached at the crotch seam, 
not separate tubes attached at the waist. 

The Met collection has been identified microscopically as "most likely linen"; 
a bast fibre. 

So far, Sicily seems to be more the anomaly in European cultures, underwear on 
women being more acceptable amongst the "proper" females, as opposed to the 
prostitutes. In Italy, underwear were used for horseback riding, I would hazard 
other cultures are similar - the notion of sticking to a leather seat seems 
pretty universally unattractive. The Pepys quote also mentions that he 
disdained her using underwear, because to him it was a sign of unfaithfulness. 
The other text quote by Fynes Morison is often taken out of context, the full 
quote actually explains who he is talking to - courtesans, during Festival 
season. Gender bending was a common costume during that season.

Kathy
 
Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or 
barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert
(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. 
It’s never too late to be who you might have been.
-George Eliot
Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. 
http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131

From: Lynn Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?
To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I'm neew to this list and have enjoyed learning a lot of different things.  I 
do recreating the 1500's.  I didn't realize that they had split drawers in the 
16th cen.  Do you have any historical evidence that they had them in the 
nobility class in the midto late 1500's, and what they were made of?  I would 
appreciate any information.  Lynn

Sue Clemenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dunno about the 18th century, but there are rare surviving examples of them
from the 16th century. I suspect that it was something that came and went,
as a style.








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Re: [h-cost] measurement chart site?

[Kiloran]

Wow! Thanks for those sites! I guess I was googling the wrong 
combination of words. And you're right, that one picture gave me the creeps!

Julie

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:26:53 -0700
From: "Saragrace Knauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] measurement chart site?
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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You'd think this would be easy no?  You might end up having get one out of a 
sewing book.  Even my pattern drafting book doesn't have a neat little chart.

http://www.twinrosesdesigns.com/Full_Body_Measurements_w_text_Bristol.jpg
https://secure.aeonflux.net/spandexwear/spandex-order.htm
 (the picture on the home page for this one is down right scary)
http://www.tutu.com/meascht_womens_chartemail.html

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd.pdf
 (There is also one for men)

I just googled body measure chart blank 

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:07 PM

  Subject: [h-cost] measurement chart site?


  Can an body recommend a website where I can find a form of some kind 
  that shows all the various body measurements you'd need to take of a 
  person if you were going to make clothing or garb for them? I know the 
  standard ones (bust, waist, etc.) but I'd really like to find a detailed 
  chart that I can use.

  Julie
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Re: [h-cost] measurement chart site?

[Saragrace Knauf]

You'd think this would be easy no?  You might end up having get one out of a 
sewing book.  Even my pattern drafting book doesn't have a neat little chart.

http://www.twinrosesdesigns.com/Full_Body_Measurements_w_text_Bristol.jpg
https://secure.aeonflux.net/spandexwear/spandex-order.htm
 (the picture on the home page for this one is down right scary)
http://www.tutu.com/meascht_womens_chartemail.html

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd.pdf
 (There is also one for men)

I just googled body measure chart blank 

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:07 PM
  Subject: [h-cost] measurement chart site?


  Can an body recommend a website where I can find a form of some kind 
  that shows all the various body measurements you'd need to take of a 
  person if you were going to make clothing or garb for them? I know the 
  standard ones (bust, waist, etc.) but I'd really like to find a detailed 
  chart that I can use.
  Julie
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Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-openingstyle purse

[Saragrace Knauf]

If you can't find what you want commercially, I highly recommend this fellow.
http://www.hr-replikate.de/englisch/index.html
He does wonderful work, and is reasonable.  


Saragrace
  - Original Message - 
  From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg 
  To: Historical Costume 
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-openingstyle 
purse


  Hi Bjarne,

  Thanks.  They aren't quite what I'm looking for.  I have seen people 
  walking around events wearing the type of purse I'm looking for so I 
  know that someone has made them, I'm just not sure who.

  Cheers,
  Danielle

  At 03:14 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote:
  >Hi Danielle,
  >I dont think you will find a replica 15th century one, but you can 
  >get different styles today:
  >http://www.countrybumpkin.com.au/index.php?cPath=23_163
  >These are Australian, but i am sure others carries them two.
  >
  >Bjarne
  >- Original Message - From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" 
  ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:15 AM
  >Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse
  >
  >
  >>Greetings,
  >>
  >>I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening style 
  >>purse.  It has a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that 
  >>the leather pouch hangs from, in case you don't know what I mean by 
  >>"frame".  I'm not sure what the actual name of that type of purse 
  >>would be. Does anyone know where I can purchase such an item?  I 
  >>have yet to turn up a merchant who sells them.  Any help would be 
appreciated.
  >>
  >>Cheers,
  >>Danielle

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Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[Suzi Clarke]

At 17:33 17/05/2007, you wrote:

I think everyone's looking at frame as a generic type
that has never changed. That's not so. Most German Ren
purses are suspended from a single point in the
middle, not from a chain anchored at two points. Not
all, obviously, since the one at the bottom of this
page clearly has two anchor points for a chair. But
that's not the style one commonly sees in the
woodcuts.

What's being asked for is (or should be)something like
this
http://www.curiousfrau.com/Art_Research/pouches.htm

I don't know anyone who makes them, although something
similar can be built on with a plain ring.


I had one made for a customer in brass, a copy of one in the Museum 
of London. (I still have it, as he has not collected it.) If anyone 
wants photos, I examined a couple of dozen while doing research - I 
can scan them if I have e-mail addresses - they are almost all 
"skeletons" although they did have one with a velvet bag.


Suzi

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Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[Cynthia Virtue]

MaggiRos wrote:

What's being asked for is (or should be)something like
this
http://www.curiousfrau.com/Art_Research/pouches.htm

I don't know anyone who makes them, although something
similar can be built on with a plain ring. 
  

What a useful page -- thank  you!

Here are the two that are in Boucher:

http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1400s_real_purses.jpg

CV


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Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[MaggiRos]

Is this what you're looking for, but with a "lid"?
http://www.answers.com/topic/thomas-howard-4th-duke-of-norfolk-02-jpg

I call mine a "ring pouch" but I have no idea what
it's right name is.

MaggiRos

--- Danielle Nunn-Weinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening
> style purse.  It 
> has a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid)
> that the leather 
> pouch hangs from, in case you don't know what I mean
> by "frame".  
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Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[MaggiRos]

I think everyone's looking at frame as a generic type
that has never changed. That's not so. Most German Ren
purses are suspended from a single point in the
middle, not from a chain anchored at two points. Not
all, obviously, since the one at the bottom of this
page clearly has two anchor points for a chair. But
that's not the style one commonly sees in the
woodcuts.

What's being asked for is (or should be)something like
this
http://www.curiousfrau.com/Art_Research/pouches.htm

I don't know anyone who makes them, although something
similar can be built on with a plain ring. 




MaggiRos




> - Original Message - 
> From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:15 AM
> Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica
> frame-opening style purse
> 
> 
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I'm looking for a 15th century replica
> frame-opening style purse.  It has 
> > a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that
> the leather pouch hangs 
> > from, in case you don't know what I mean by
> "frame".  I'm not sure what 
> > the actual name of that type of purse would be.
> Does anyone know where I 
> > can purchase such an item?  I have yet to turn up
> a merchant who sells 
> > them.  Any help would be appreciated.
> >
>
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Re: [h-cost] Re: new costume and textile books from DBBC

[Robin Netherton]

On Thu, 17 May 2007, Cynthia J Ley wrote:

> Don't shoot the messenger! blame it on Ian at David Brown Book Company!

Whom I saw last week at K'zoo. I'm surprised the textiles/dress people
left him anything of these still to sell.

(For those of you who wonder, Ian is British, charming, and attractive in
that self-effacing Hugh Grant sort of way. Think "Notting Hill.")

--Robin

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[h-cost] Re: new costume and textile books from DBBC

[Cynthia J Ley]

Don't shoot the messenger! blame it on Ian at David Brown Book Company!
;)

Arlys



> A quick note to let you know that two long-awaited books have now 
> arrived here for sale, as well as to tell you about a few other new 
> arrivals from unusual sources...
> 
> Firstly, the reprint of the visually stunning "Moda a Firenze 
> 1540-1580" has arrived from Italy. We managed to secure a reasonably 
> good number of copies, but there's no guarantee that we will get 
> more once these are sold. Act soon if you want one!
> 
> Secondly, Penny Rogers' "Cloth and Clothing in Early Anglo-Saxon 
> England" arrived yesterday to cheers and whoops of delight in the 
> office. Many of you have already ordered this and we are shipping 
> these orders over the next few days, but if you haven't yet done so, 
> now's the time!
> 
> Thirdly, hot off the packet steamer from Norway is the mammoth book 
> on the textile finds from the Oseberg ship excavation. We had to 
> fork out many Norwegian Kronas for this one just so that you 
> wouldn't have to. A pricey, but significant book for the diehards.
> 
> Finally, we received a fascinating-looking two-volume work from 
> Denmark. "Kriegskunst und Kanonen" presents Joannes Bengedans' 
> handbook (from around 1450) for the manufacture of explosives, 
> techniques for the use of cannons and siege tactics. The volumes 
> include a beautiful facsimile of the manuscript (which is in a 
> Copenhagen University collection) and gives a translation into 
> modern German and Danish of the text. It's a really stunning set and 
> remarkably reasonably priced.
> 
> Links to all four books are given below. I hope you will find them 
> interesting.
> 
> With regards,
> 
> Ian Stevens
> The David Brown Book Company
> Tel: 1-800-791-9354
> 
> Links to these three books are given below.   
> 
> -
> 
> 'Moda a Firenze 1540-1580: Lo Stile di Eleonora di Toledo e la sua 
> influenza' - by Roberta Orsi Landini and Bruna Niccoli 
> List Price: US$ 99.50 * Our Price: US$ 90.00 *
> Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=48785&MID=12830
> 
> 'Cloth and Clothing in Early Anglo Saxon England, AD 450-700' - by 
> Penelope Rogers 
> List Price: US$ 39.95 * Our Price: US$ 32.00 *
> Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=60262&MID=12830
> 
> 'Oseberg Textiles - Osebergfundet: Bind IVb' - edited by Arne Emil 
> Christensen and Margarita Nockert 
> List Price: US$ 225.00 * Our Price: US$ 200.00 *
> Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=47636&MID=12830
> 
> 'Kriegskunst und Kanonen (Artillery and the Art of War): Das 
> Büchsenmeister- und Kriegsbuch des Johannes Bengedans' - edited by 
> Hans Blosen and Rikke Agnete Olsen, with contributions by Aage 
> Anderson, Bendt Falkesgaard Pedersen and Frede Storborg 
> List Price: US$ 83.95 * Our Price: US$ 70.00 *
> Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=62166&MID=12830

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Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-openingstyle purse

[E House]

Lacis has a very large range of them:
http://www.lacis.com/catalog/data/ls58.html

-E House
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Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?

[Lynn Roth]

I'm neew to this list and have enjoyed learning a lot of different things.  I 
do recreating the 1500's.  I didn't realize that they had split drawers in the 
16th cen.  Do you have any historical evidence that they had them in the 
nobility class in the midto late 1500's, and what they were made of?  I would 
appreciate any information.  Lynn

Sue Clemenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dunno about the 18th century, but there are rare surviving examples of them
from the 16th century. I suspect that it was something that came and went,
as a style.
--Sue

- Original Message -
From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" 
To: "Historical Costume" 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?


> Just a little note, when talking about split drawers.
> When i went to the exhibition about the elegant courtlife in the time of
> Frederik V, there was in the catalogue pictures of the queens midges
> clothes. Its a whole outfit, chemise- split drawers,stays, petticoat with
> hip pads, skirt and a Brunswick overdress with hood. Its 1770ies, and i
> thoaght they didnt wear underdrawers?
> Now Denmark had a cold climate during the winter season, perhaps it was a
> nescesity for the ladies two?


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Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 239

[Penny Ladnier]

If I remember correctly these drawers in the mid-20th Century were called 
petti-pants. I remember my mother had some in the early 1960s.


Penny Ladnier,
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
www.costumelibrary.com
www.costumeclassroom.com
www.costumeencyclopedia.com 


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Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?

[Sue Clemenger]

Dunno about the 18th century, but there are rare surviving examples of them
from the 16th century.  I suspect that it was something that came and went,
as a style.
--Sue

- Original Message -
From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?


> Just a little note, when talking about split drawers.
> When i went to the exhibition about the elegant courtlife in the time of
> Frederik V, there was in the catalogue pictures of the queens midges
> clothes. Its a whole outfit, chemise- split drawers,stays, petticoat with
> hip pads, skirt and a Brunswick overdress with hood. Its 1770ies, and i
> thoaght they didnt wear underdrawers?
> Now Denmark had a cold climate during the winter season, perhaps it was a
> nescesity for the ladies two?


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[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 239

[Debloughcostumes]

 
Some women in continental europe did wear pants - pepys mentions somewhere  
in his huge diary that his wife was wearing knickers in the 1660s, but puts it  
down to her being french.
 
split knickers were definitely still around in edwardian times - they  really 
started to disappear as skirts started to shorten (they were no longer  
practical), but they'd have been around (I suspect) as slong as there were  
ladies 
of a certain age still dressing in edwardian / victorian clothing (some  women 
still did right into the 40s and 50s, though of course it got rarer as  time 
went on - part of the whole thing about people dressing largely as they did  
when they were young).
 
d
 
 
In a message dated 17/05/2007 13:52:40 GMT Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Just a  little note, when talking about split drawers.
When i went to the  exhibition about the elegant courtlife in the time of 
Frederik V, there  was in the catalogue pictures of the queens midges 
clothes. Its a whole  outfit, chemise- split drawers,stays, petticoat with 
hip pads, skirt and a  Brunswick overdress with hood. Its 1770ies, and i 
thoaght they didnt wear  underdrawers?
Now Denmark had a cold climate during the winter season,  perhaps it was a 
nescesity for the ladies two?


 



   
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[h-cost] Re: Perpignan cloth

[Beth and Bob Matney]

Hi Kathy

Cardon's book is excellent (makes me wish that I 
was fluent in French!) and covers an region of 
Europe that I have been having trouble finding 
info on. It is a very thick (661 pages) paperback 
with 21 references to Perpignan in the Index des 
noms de lieux  and one " perpagnani" in the Index 
des termes techniques.. pg 514. I ordered my copy from Amazon-fr.


BTW. Perpignan was not part of France at the time we are discussing

Beth

At 07:51 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote:

Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:35:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathy Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [h-cost] Re: Perpignan cloth

Hi Beth,

A... you've just saved me a bunch of 
headaches and time consumption. I am stronger in 
French than I am in Italian! So the reference 
only occurs in text outside of direct cloth manufacture, hmm. That's annoying.
Gar. This French book only shows up in a couple 
of libraries around here, all of which charge 
for the ILL. hmm.. unless I convince a local to 
U of T to snag it for me and make a copy. My 
husband is fully bilingual, I can bribe him to 
at least look up the indexes for me and see if the references are any good.

Darn! And I was hoping to solve my issues with something easy!

Gee... I wonder if contacting a museum in 
Perpignan might prove fruitful? I wonder if they 
have something like that. *goes googling*
Aha. I think I may have something. The village 
indeed does have museums (these are the 
divisions most likely to have information useful to us):



  Musée
des Beaux-Arts Hyacinthe Rigaud

16, rue de l'Ange

66000 PERPIGNAN

Tél : 04 68 35 81 23

Mél : [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Peinture

  Musée
du Castillet Casa Pairal

Place de Verdun

66000 PERPIGNAN

Tél : 04 68 35 42 05

Arts et traditions populaires


  Musée
archéologique de Ruscino

(en cours de création)

Centre Archéologique de Ruscino

Château Roussillon

66000 PERPIGNAN

Tél : 04 68 67 47 17

Site archéologique


I'll have to wait until hub is awake and in a 
mood to be coerced into helping me to brew up a 
contact email. We can hope they know what we are 
talking about, or at least something that helps 
clear up just what this stuff really is.



Onto a new adventure...

Kathy


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Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?

[Bjarne og Leif Drews]

Just a little note, when talking about split drawers.
When i went to the exhibition about the elegant courtlife in the time of 
Frederik V, there was in the catalogue pictures of the queens midges 
clothes. Its a whole outfit, chemise- split drawers,stays, petticoat with 
hip pads, skirt and a Brunswick overdress with hood. Its 1770ies, and i 
thoaght they didnt wear underdrawers?
Now Denmark had a cold climate during the winter season, perhaps it was a 
nescesity for the ladies two?


Bjarne
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From: "Sue Clemenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?



That's a very cool website, although I find the graphics a little
distracting.  Thanks for the link!
Now, I'm not a 19th century geek, but I find myself with a question about
those split drawers (truly, just odd timing ...I went to a play this
weekend that had midwestern-US-cancan-dancers in it, and for some reason, 
I

was wondering if that "flip the skirts up over one's head and wiggle one's
backside move, or the high kicks, originally offered more of a *koff* view
than we'd think).  When did it become common practice for the split to be
sewn up?
--Sue

- Original Message -
From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?




The lady in question is Elizabeth Stewart Clark.
http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com/



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Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[LLOYD MITCHELL]

you might try Lacis or Baglady.com

Kathleen
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From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:15 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse



Greetings,

I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening style purse.  It has 
a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that the leather pouch hangs 
from, in case you don't know what I mean by "frame".  I'm not sure what 
the actual name of that type of purse would be. Does anyone know where I 
can purchase such an item?  I have yet to turn up a merchant who sells 
them.  Any help would be appreciated.


Cheers,
Danielle

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Re: [h-cost] book review wanted: Shaker Textile Arts

[LLOYD MITCHELL]

there are also expanded brochures out there (booklets) that tend to be sold 
at sites like Old Economy (Pa) Enfield and Canterbury NH. They are somewhat 
sparse (what else?) but give the basics.


Kathleen
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From: "Leah L Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: [h-cost] book review wanted: Shaker Textile Arts



I'm looking for information on Shaker clothing, ideally around the time
of the Great Awakening (1800-1830).  I was searching Amazon and found the
book Shaker Textile Arts, by Beverly Gordon.  It looks like it will have
the information I need, but it's also $30 -- does anyone have this book?
Is it worth the money?

Leah
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RE: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-openingstyle purse

[Sharon Collier]

I will ask my ren faire folks. I know a woman who has one. I'll ask where
she got it.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:26 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-openingstyle
purse


Hi Bjarne,

Thanks.  They aren't quite what I'm looking for.  I have seen people 
walking around events wearing the type of purse I'm looking for so I 
know that someone has made them, I'm just not sure who.

Cheers,
Danielle

At 03:14 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Danielle,
>I dont think you will find a replica 15th century one, but you can 
>get different styles today:
>http://www.countrybumpkin.com.au/index.php?cPath=23_163
>These are Australian, but i am sure others carries them two.
>
>Bjarne
>- Original Message - From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:15 AM
>Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style
purse
>
>
>>Greetings,
>>
>>I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening style 
>>purse.  It has a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that 
>>the leather pouch hangs from, in case you don't know what I mean by 
>>"frame".  I'm not sure what the actual name of that type of purse 
>>would be. Does anyone know where I can purchase such an item?  I 
>>have yet to turn up a merchant who sells them.  Any help would be
appreciated.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Danielle

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[h-cost] split drawers

[RobinandKelly Dorman]

Now, I'm not a 19th century geek, but I find myself with a question about
those split drawers (truly, just odd timing ...I went to a play this
weekend that had midwestern-US-cancan-dancers in it, and for some reason, I
was wondering if that "flip the skirts up over one's head and wiggle one's
backside move, or the high kicks, originally offered more of a *koff* view
than we'd think).  When did it become common practice for the split to be
sewn up?
-Sue


My understanding is that the split drawers and the resulting view is why the 
cancan was considered quite scandalous.


Split drawers were an option into the Edwardian period; based on my 
experience, they work well when wearing a lengthy Edwardian corset, but 
other options also existed.


Kelly
Backward Glances
www.backwardglances.net

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Re: [h-cost] weirdish terminology question

[00217146]

> Can anyone help me think of properly spellt English (sticking with that
> for now) costume terms from say, 1100-1650,  that seem likely to result
> in wardrobe accounts, inventories, wills, etc?

I would recommend looking in the OED for old versions of modern words.  For
example, Velvet: 1320, veluett; 1351, velvet; 1400, felvet; 1483, feluett; 1538,
veluettys (pluerel); 1555, veluet.
Added bonus: it references the source, which is in several cases a wardrobe 
account.

Emma
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[h-cost] re: What would you do with this fabric.

[Cin]

What would you do with this fabric.

http://www.saragrace.us/images/Fabrics/index.htm

The first, I have 3 yards of, and it is 54 inches wide.  It is a silk

brocade.  I

was thinking about making something like a pet-en-l'air, (French Jacket) as
found on page 30 of Arnolds Pattern's of Fashion 1.


S-G,
If you do the 1880s it would make a charming jacket to a walking suit.
The early 80s are particular prone to earth tones like this.


The second may be harder.  It is tapestry, also 54 inches wide.  I have a
little over 2 yards.  I love this fabric, but it is a little bright.  The second
picture gives you the best sense of how bright it is.  It is

'reversible,' but I >
am not sure I like the "wrong" side enough to not line it.  But I have no idea

what it is appropriate for.


Oooh, I'd redo the upholstery on my dining room chairs, except that I
just did that last summer.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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[h-cost] How the bertha got it's name

[Cin]

19th c h-costumers,
Do you have any idea where the term "bertha" came from?  My guess is
it's from a character in a play, ballet or opera who was wearing the
new fashion item.  That's a common enough reason for an item with a
woman's name.  Its also the name Emma Bovary gives her daughter when
she hears the name at the ball.  Not sure if it's significant or not.
Perhaps life imitated art and the new item got named for a character
in a popular novel.  We're just speculating.
Do you have an answer?

--cin
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Re: [h-cost] Perpignan cloth

[Land of Oz]

I have just been flipping through Dressing Renaissance Florence, and they 
mention "hosiery itself was made of perpignan cloth (perpignano), a washable 
and stretchy woolen jersey fabric, originally developed by weavers in 
Perpignan, France."
Has anyone ever heard of this stuff before, and if so, what is its' weave 
structure? What would it be close to in modern terms? This answers a lot of 
questions why Italian men's hose are so smooth and tight looking. If I can 
find a reasonable equivalent, it will make my job MUCH easier on this 
commission that I have been stalled on for so long.

<

I thought "jersey" was by definition a knit or looped fabric?   I could see 
developing a strechy fabric using over twisted wool or some other technique, 
but I think if it's woven, it's not jersey.


Denise B
Iowa

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Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?

[Sue Clemenger]

That's a very cool website, although I find the graphics a little
distracting.  Thanks for the link!
Now, I'm not a 19th century geek, but I find myself with a question about
those split drawers (truly, just odd timing ...I went to a play this
weekend that had midwestern-US-cancan-dancers in it, and for some reason, I
was wondering if that "flip the skirts up over one's head and wiggle one's
backside move, or the high kicks, originally offered more of a *koff* view
than we'd think).  When did it become common practice for the split to be
sewn up?
--Sue

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> The lady in question is Elizabeth Stewart Clark.
> http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com/


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Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[LLOYD MITCHELL]

Another resource: flea markets or antique sales.  This style was used 
"again" in the 19 century and appears in the 1920s and 1930s.  This style of 
top often outlived the fabric/leather purse/pocket that would have been 
attached.  I have also seen a modified top used for an oldfashioned ice 
pack.


Kathleen
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Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse



Greetings,

I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening style purse.  It has 
a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that the leather pouch hangs 
from, in case you don't know what I mean by "frame".  I'm not sure what 
the actual name of that type of purse would be. Does anyone know where I 
can purchase such an item?  I have yet to turn up a merchant who sells 
them.  Any help would be appreciated.


Cheers,
Danielle

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Re: [h-cost] Question about early 19th century underclothing.

[AnnBWass]

 
In a message dated 5/16/2007 9:37:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Would  there be a difference between an under dress (it doesn't look as 
though it was  ever lined) and an actual chemise? 
I was thinking perhaps someone would  wear a simple chemise, then perhaps a 
corset, and then the under dress, and  finally a dress?



You are on the right track.  In the period, the underdress was called  a 
slip, but it was cut very similarly to the dress.  If the overdress has  darts, 
use them in the underdress; otherwise, I would cut the front bodice on  the 
bias 
and gather at waist and neck with drawstrings.  I have seen one  sleeveless 
one.  However, if it has sleeves, and the oversleeves are a  little flimsy, the 
puffed undersleeve would give it some support.  
 
As to color, some were flesh-toned, to give the "nude" look.  One  other I 
have seen was white.  Colored underdresses seem to come in around  1817 or so, 
but I may be wrong--they may be earlier.  But, in that case,  the overdress 
would probably have trim of the same color.
 
Good luck!
 
Ann Wass
 
Ann Wass



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Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[Danielle Nunn-Weinberg]

Hi Bjarne,

Thanks.  They aren't quite what I'm looking for.  I have seen people 
walking around events wearing the type of purse I'm looking for so I 
know that someone has made them, I'm just not sure who.


Cheers,
Danielle

At 03:14 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote:

Hi Danielle,
I dont think you will find a replica 15th century one, but you can 
get different styles today:

http://www.countrybumpkin.com.au/index.php?cPath=23_163
These are Australian, but i am sure others carries them two.

Bjarne
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Greetings,

I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening style 
purse.  It has a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that 
the leather pouch hangs from, in case you don't know what I mean by 
"frame".  I'm not sure what the actual name of that type of purse 
would be. Does anyone know where I can purchase such an item?  I 
have yet to turn up a merchant who sells them.  Any help would be appreciated.


Cheers,
Danielle


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Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[Bjarne og Leif Drews]

Hi Danielle,
I dont think you will find a replica 15th century one, but you can get 
different styles today:

http://www.countrybumpkin.com.au/index.php?cPath=23_163
These are Australian, but i am sure others carries them two.

Bjarne
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To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:15 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse



Greetings,

I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening style purse.  It has 
a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that the leather pouch hangs 
from, in case you don't know what I mean by "frame".  I'm not sure what 
the actual name of that type of purse would be. Does anyone know where I 
can purchase such an item?  I have yet to turn up a merchant who sells 
them.  Any help would be appreciated.


Cheers,
Danielle

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Re: [h-cost] Somewhat OT -- Black detergent?

[Melissa Brown Muckart]

Lauren Walker wrote:

Hi,
A couple of the laundry soap companies now offer products recommended 
for dark-colored clothes. The liquids appear to actually be dark-colored 
themselves. I wear a lot of black, and it fades. I am wondering if 
anybody has used any of these products, and if they help restore dark 
colors or just mimimize fading, or if, perhaps they do not do anything 
at all? Also, did it stain the washer or anything?


I've used the brand available here in NZ on dark washes and there is no 
staining of the washer. The clothes look fine but I haven't used it long 
enough to tell you if it restores dark or just helps minimize fading. 
The darks certainly don't look to be fading any _more_ though. I'll buy 
it again and see how if my blacks stay black using this detergent.


Melissa


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[h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse

[Danielle Nunn-Weinberg]

Greetings,

I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening style purse.  It 
has a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that the leather 
pouch hangs from, in case you don't know what I mean by "frame".  I'm 
not sure what the actual name of that type of purse would be. Does 
anyone know where I can purchase such an item?  I have yet to turn up 
a merchant who sells them.  Any help would be appreciated.


Cheers,
Danielle

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