[h-cost] Original millinery supplies (1890-1900ish)

[WorkroomButtons.com]

A friend is thinking about clearing out her grandmother's millinery supplies 
—she was a professional milliner around 1890-1900 in New England.  Original 
untouched boxes of feathers from Boston, ribbons, etc.

I'd love to give her some names to contact.  Any ideas?
Thanks,Dede
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Re: [h-cost] Costume events/groups in Sacramento

[Lavolta Press]

Not yet, although I need to visit the county historical society anyway. 
The local building permit and other records offices dumped all their 
pre-1980 records on the historical society and we want to get hold of 
our house plans.


I understand that it works for some others, but I absolutely refuse to 
volunteer. I've spent decades dealing with people who don't want to pay 
me for my professional work and I'm not going to go there any more. I'm 
just looking for social organizations.


Thanks, Fran

www.lavoltapress.com


On 6/8/2017 5:02 AM, Susan Data-Samak wrote:

Fran,

Congrats on your new home with all the trimmings.

Have you checked the local historical society for historic homes/museums?

About 15 years ago, I attended an open house at a local historic house/museum. 
Of all the beautiful artifacts, I stumbled on a dress form wearing a paper 
dress. Upon inspection, it was actually a life sized “invitation” to join a 
group of women who acted as living props for the museum’s open houses. I 
inquired and as a result, the sewing, socializing and modeling are still a part 
of my life. The ladies are so helpful and supportive of any/all sewing 
projects, historically based or not.

Susan
NJ




On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Lavolta Press  wrote:

My husband and I bought a huge, lovely old Colonial Revival house in Sacramento. 
We've been doing a lot of remodeling, and sometimes I think it will never end. 
Currently we're simultaneously working on remodeling a half-bath, extending the 
irrigation (the plot is 1.8 landscaped acres), and putting up some exterior Arts 
& Crafts lighting. Among many smaller projects. I have been reorganizing all my 
sewing stuff, which considering there are few things I hate more than tidying, is 
quite painful. But!  Someday we will be done.

I've been looking around on the net. As far as I can tell very little is going 
on here in terms of costuming, historic reenactment, etc. That's hard to 
believe, considering Sacramento is a reasonably large and sophisticated city. 
I'm sure I'm missing something. There must be local groups who don't have much 
of an Internet presence. Can anyone who lives in this area tell me more?

Au rest, if anyone is thinking of moving out of the SF Bay Area, Sacramento has 
much less expensive housing. Pricewise, our house here was pretty much a direct 
trade for what we were paid for an undistinguished 2-bedroom, 1-bathroom house 
in the Sunset district of San Francisco, complete with ancient galvanized 
plumbing and gravity furnace. This area has mature trees everywhere--all the 
streets, everybody's lawns, shopping malls, you name it. It's really lovely.  
We love the climate (no more fog!), and there's almost no traffic (compared to 
SF). You can get almost anywhere, including the suburbs, in 10-30 minutes. It's 
just great.

So, if anyone has any information on what to do here I'd be grateful.

Fran

Lavolta Press

Books on making historic clothing

www.lavoltapress.com


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[h-cost] Costume events/groups in Sacramento

[Lavolta Press]

My husband and I bought a huge, lovely old Colonial Revival house in 
Sacramento. We've been doing a lot of remodeling, and sometimes I think 
it will never end. Currently we're simultaneously working on remodeling 
a half-bath, extending the irrigation (the plot is 1.8 landscaped 
acres), and putting up some exterior Arts & Crafts lighting. Among many 
smaller projects. I have been reorganizing all my sewing stuff, which 
considering there are few things I hate more than tidying, is quite 
painful. But!  Someday we will be done.


I've been looking around on the net. As far as I can tell very little is 
going on here in terms of costuming, historic reenactment, etc. That's 
hard to believe, considering Sacramento is a reasonably large and 
sophisticated city. I'm sure I'm missing something. There must be local 
groups who don't have much of an Internet presence. Can anyone who lives 
in this area tell me more?


Au rest, if anyone is thinking of moving out of the SF Bay Area, 
Sacramento has much less expensive housing. Pricewise, our house here 
was pretty much a direct trade for what we were paid for an 
undistinguished 2-bedroom, 1-bathroom house in the Sunset district of 
San Francisco, complete with ancient galvanized plumbing and gravity 
furnace. This area has mature trees everywhere--all the streets, 
everybody's lawns, shopping malls, you name it. It's really lovely.  We 
love the climate (no more fog!), and there's almost no traffic (compared 
to SF). You can get almost anywhere, including the suburbs, in 10-30 
minutes. It's just great.


So, if anyone has any information on what to do here I'd be grateful.

Fran

Lavolta Press

Books on making historic clothing

www.lavoltapress.com


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[h-cost] Question about mid-19th century hand embroidery

[lisa58]

Hello to the list.

I am doing a project and want explore mid-19th century embroidery as
displayed on dresses.  Was embroidery using  wool threads common?  And
where would be the best place to start looking for info about it, and
images?  Does anyone on here have a special intereset in this?

Thanks in advance, Lisa a
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[h-cost] article about Toronto's historical costume technician

[Christine Robb]

A lovely article about costuming for some of Toronto's historical
sites.

https://www.thestar.com/life/2017/02/25/torontos-official-costume-technician-works-with-the-threads-of-history.html


Christine
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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2

[Mary Bucher]

Hi Allison & Ann (& others),

Please feel free to share wherever you feel it is appropriate.  Katherine
gave her permission to share.

BTW, I seem to have missed the previous digest email (Vol 16, Issue 1), so
if anyone else replied to my email with questions, I didn't get it.

Thanks,
~mary

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:00 AM,  wrote:

>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 20:51:22 -0500
> From: "A. Thurman" 
>
> Can I share this on some Facebook costume groups I'm on? I'd be happy to
> provide a signal boost.
>
> Allison
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 04:47:22 -0500
> From: annbw...@aol.com
>
> I would also like to suggest that this be shared with the Costume Society
> of America's membership.
>
>
> Ann Wass
>
>
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Re: [h-cost] 19th century clothing in need of a new home

[annbwass]

I would also like to suggest that this be shared with the Costume Society of 
America's membership.


Ann Wass



-Original Message-
From: Mary Bucher <hansta...@gmail.com>
To: h-costume <h-cost...@indra.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2017 1:24 pm
Subject: [h-cost] 19th century clothing in need of a new home

Hi,

I received the following query through my website. If you are interested or
have any suggestions, please reply to Katherine Dill katherined...@yahoo.com

Thanks,
~mary

=


A small local historical society in Indiana has literally hundreds of
garments for which we need to find a new home. They are mid/late 1800s
and early 1900s, primarily women's, though some girls' and men's
clothing.

Do you have any interest or have any idea at all a company/museum that
might want them? I could provide a list of the items of you would like
more information about what we have. We really have no use for them
and need to relocate them. Thanks.
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Re: [h-cost] 19th century clothing in need of a new home

[A. Thurman]

Can I share this on some Facebook costume groups I'm on? I'd be happy to
provide a signal boost.

Allison

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>
>
>1. 19th century clothing in need of a new home (Mary Bucher)
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:23:44 -0800
> From: Mary Bucher <hansta...@gmail.com>
> To: h-cost...@indra.com
> Subject: [h-cost] 19th century clothing in need of a new home
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> Hi,
>
> I received the following query through my website. If you are interested or
> have any suggestions, please reply to Katherine Dill
> katherined...@yahoo.com
>
> Thanks,
> ~mary
>
> =
>
>
> A small local historical society in Indiana has literally hundreds of
> garments for which we need to find a new home. They are mid/late 1800s
> and early 1900s, primarily women's, though some girls' and men's
> clothing.
>
> Do you have any interest or have any idea at all a company/museum that
> might want them? I could provide a list of the items of you would like
> more information about what we have. We really have no use for them
> and need to relocate them. Thanks.
>
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Re: [h-cost] 19th century clothing in need of a new home

[lisa58]

Hello, I'm Lisa Ashton, and I have a non-profit under the umbrella of the
 International Costumer's Guild, called Miss Lizzy's Traveling Historical
Fashion Show.  My mission is to preserve, study and research Victorian
and Edwardian fashion and to understand better the commonplaces of
everyday life in the Victorian era.  I take both small and large
displays/exhibits of these items to costume-related conventions and talk
about them, and let people take photos and examine them in detail.I
would LOVE to have authentic garments to add to Miss Lizzy's
collection--they are well taken-care-of, and I exhibit them in cycles. 
Right now I am concentrating on 1860's and the color green.  I am able to
provide a tax deduction receipt as well, if that would be needed.  

In addition to any articles of clothing, no matter how commonplace, I am
extremely interested in the following: Lady's vanity items such as vanity
caskets, hairbrushes and hand mirrors, gloves, millinery, quilts or
authentic period fabrics for study of colors and prints, hoops or bustle
cage crinolines, detachable collars or cuffs, hair wreaths and memorial
jewelry, antique photographs to document fashions and accessories, hose
(hard to find in any condition) corsets, chatelaines, sewing notions of
any kind (like pincushions etc.), parasols, fashion periodicals such as
Godey's or Petersons.  I am even interested in items as commonplace as an
antique carpet sweeper, and laundry tub.  

I would be happy to pay for  shipping costs as well. 

Lisa Ashton
"Miss Lizzy's Traveling Historical Fashion Show"
 https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=miss%20lizzy%27s%20traveling%20hi
storical%20fashion%20show



On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:23:44 -0800 Mary Bucher 
writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I received the following query through my website. If you are 
> interested or
> have any suggestions, please reply to Katherine Dill 
> katherined...@yahoo.com
> 
> Thanks,
> ~mary
> 
> =
> 
> 
> A small local historical society in Indiana has literally hundreds 
> of
> garments for which we need to find a new home. They are mid/late 
> 1800s
> and early 1900s, primarily women's, though some girls' and men's
> clothing.
> 
> Do you have any interest or have any idea at all a company/museum 
> that
> might want them? I could provide a list of the items of you would 
> like
> more information about what we have. We really have no use for them
> and need to relocate them. Thanks.
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[h-cost] 19th century clothing in need of a new home

[Mary Bucher]

Hi,

I received the following query through my website. If you are interested or
have any suggestions, please reply to Katherine Dill katherined...@yahoo.com

Thanks,
~mary

=


A small local historical society in Indiana has literally hundreds of
garments for which we need to find a new home. They are mid/late 1800s
and early 1900s, primarily women's, though some girls' and men's
clothing.

Do you have any interest or have any idea at all a company/museum that
might want them? I could provide a list of the items of you would like
more information about what we have. We really have no use for them
and need to relocate them. Thanks.
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Re: [h-cost] book sale

[Patricia Dunham]

Yes, Pls, Do Send List.

YAY, our elect. is back! landline & internet next! (hoorah for a kid who can 
set us up w wi-fi from the apple-phone)

Chimney 


> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:29 AM, mhprobe...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi List, I'm clearing out various costume/textile books, most in like new
> condition. If you're interested, email me and I'll send you the titles.
> Melissa Roberts
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[h-cost] book sale

[mhprobe...@gmail.com]

Hi List, I'm clearing out various costume/textile books, most in like new
condition. If you're interested, email me and I'll send you the titles.
Melissa Roberts
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Re: [h-cost] Historical costume kickstarter project

[Aylwen Gardiner-Garden]

And thanks to everyone's support I have reached the first stretch goal and
am now working towards the final stretch goal: a study of men's clothing
from 1730-1820 - costume in detail from the inside out. I have published an
initial table of contents at
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1245085016/trims-frills-and-furbelows

*Aylwen Gardiner-Garden*

*Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy
*

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:48 PM,  wrote:

> I also pledged, my copy will become part of Miss Lizzy's Traveling
> Historical Fashion Show and join many other wonderful contemporary and
> antique references in my little parlor museum.  Keep up the good work!
>
> Lisa Ashton
> curator, Miss Lizzy's Traveling Historical Fashion Show
> https://www.facebook.com/MissLizzysTravelingHistoricalFashionShow/
>
>
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 15:04:25 +1100 Aylwen Gardiner-Garden
>  writes:
> > Dear Friends
> >
> > I am writing to seek your help financing my Kickstarter book project
> > by
> > pre-purchasing my costume-in-detail book about 18th and early 19th
> > century
> > trims, frills and furbelows - the finishing touches.
> >
> > This is the first time you'll see such a focus on the 18th and early
> > 19th
> > century trims from the inside out - and the book will also have
> > how-to
> > photographic explanations with each garment showing you how to
> > reproduce
> > the trim by hand yourself! Its been exciting to have museums in the
> > UK
> > coming on board and allowing me full access to their collections in
> > mid-2017 and the rights to publish photos of their costumes.
> >
> > I'd love your support - please read more at
> > https://www.kickstarter.
> > com/projects/1245085016/trims-frills-and-furbelows and please also
> > share
> > this information with your historical costume appreciating friends.
> >
> > Warmest Regards,
> > and many thanks, again, for your support,
> >
> > *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden*
> >
> >
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Re: [h-cost] Historical costume kickstarter project

[lisa58]

I also pledged, my copy will become part of Miss Lizzy's Traveling
Historical Fashion Show and join many other wonderful contemporary and
antique references in my little parlor museum.  Keep up the good work!

Lisa Ashton
curator, Miss Lizzy's Traveling Historical Fashion Show
https://www.facebook.com/MissLizzysTravelingHistoricalFashionShow/


On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 15:04:25 +1100 Aylwen Gardiner-Garden
 writes:
> Dear Friends
> 
> I am writing to seek your help financing my Kickstarter book project 
> by
> pre-purchasing my costume-in-detail book about 18th and early 19th 
> century
> trims, frills and furbelows - the finishing touches.
> 
> This is the first time you'll see such a focus on the 18th and early 
> 19th
> century trims from the inside out - and the book will also have 
> how-to
> photographic explanations with each garment showing you how to 
> reproduce
> the trim by hand yourself! Its been exciting to have museums in the 
> UK
> coming on board and allowing me full access to their collections in
> mid-2017 and the rights to publish photos of their costumes.
> 
> I'd love your support - please read more at 
> https://www.kickstarter.
> com/projects/1245085016/trims-frills-and-furbelows and please also 
> share
> this information with your historical costume appreciating friends.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> and many thanks, again, for your support,
> 
> *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden*
> 
>
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1245085016/trims-frills-and-furbelow
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Re: [h-cost] Historical costume kickstarter project

[astitch]

Thanks Aylwen,

I do remember reading that but what I seem to do best is forget.

I am so excited for you and look forward to following your journey.

Charlene Roberts



On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 10:35:43 +1100, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden 
 wrote:

Dear Charlene
I forgot to add in my reply to you yesterday that as a pledger you do 
not
have to wait until December 2017 - all pledgers will be able to 
access a
password-protected website where you can follow my journey and see 
all my

book updates.
Many thanks,
Aylwen

*Aylwen Gardiner-Garden*

*Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy

*

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 7:56 AM,  wrote:


Hello Aylwen,

This sounds great.

 Took a look at the page yesterday and found it somewhat confusing.

Tried to sign up for the $65 but it seemed it was at capacity so had 
to go

for the 65+ shipping to Canada.  Hopefully I did it right.

The page also mentioned supporting your next book on men's costume 
but

could not seem to find any option for doing that.

I hate to wish a year away,BUT can't wait until December '17.

It will be so exciting for you to travel to England to research what 
you

will eventually share with us through your book.

I went on the Sense and Sensibility England costume tour this past
September.  Sadly we really did not get to have any indepth time to 
study

costume.  Regardless it was a great adventure.

Looking forward to my new book.

Charlene Roberts





On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 15:04:25 +1100, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden <
aylwe...@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Friends

I am writing to seek your help financing my Kickstarter book 
project by
pre-purchasing my costume-in-detail book about 18th and early 19th 
century

trims, frills and furbelows - the finishing touches.

This is the first time you'll see such a focus on the 18th and 
early 19th
century trims from the inside out - and the book will also have 
how-to
photographic explanations with each garment showing you how to 
reproduce
the trim by hand yourself! Its been exciting to have museums in the 
UK

coming on board and allowing me full access to their collections in
mid-2017 and the rights to publish photos of their costumes.

I'd love your support - please read more at 
https://www.kickstarter.
com/projects/1245085016/trims-frills-and-furbelows and please also 
share

this information with your historical costume appreciating friends.

Warmest Regards,
and many thanks, again, for your support,

*Aylwen Gardiner-Garden*


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1245085016/trims-frills
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Re: [h-cost] Historical costume kickstarter project

[Aylwen Gardiner-Garden]

Dear Charlene
I forgot to add in my reply to you yesterday that as a pledger you do not
have to wait until December 2017 - all pledgers will be able to access a
password-protected website where you can follow my journey and see all my
book updates.
Many thanks,
Aylwen

*Aylwen Gardiner-Garden*

*Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy
*

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 7:56 AM,  wrote:

> Hello Aylwen,
>
> This sounds great.
>
>  Took a look at the page yesterday and found it somewhat confusing.
>
> Tried to sign up for the $65 but it seemed it was at capacity so had to go
> for the 65+ shipping to Canada.  Hopefully I did it right.
>
> The page also mentioned supporting your next book on men's costume but
> could not seem to find any option for doing that.
>
> I hate to wish a year away,BUT can't wait until December '17.
>
> It will be so exciting for you to travel to England to research what you
> will eventually share with us through your book.
>
> I went on the Sense and Sensibility England costume tour this past
> September.  Sadly we really did not get to have any indepth time to study
> costume.  Regardless it was a great adventure.
>
> Looking forward to my new book.
>
> Charlene Roberts
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 15:04:25 +1100, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden <
> aylwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends
>>
>> I am writing to seek your help financing my Kickstarter book project by
>> pre-purchasing my costume-in-detail book about 18th and early 19th century
>> trims, frills and furbelows - the finishing touches.
>>
>> This is the first time you'll see such a focus on the 18th and early 19th
>> century trims from the inside out - and the book will also have how-to
>> photographic explanations with each garment showing you how to reproduce
>> the trim by hand yourself! Its been exciting to have museums in the UK
>> coming on board and allowing me full access to their collections in
>> mid-2017 and the rights to publish photos of their costumes.
>>
>> I'd love your support - please read more at https://www.kickstarter.
>> com/projects/1245085016/trims-frills-and-furbelows and please also share
>> this information with your historical costume appreciating friends.
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>> and many thanks, again, for your support,
>>
>> *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden*
>>
>>
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1245085016/trims-frills
>> -and-furbelows
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Re: [h-cost] Historical costume kickstarter project

[astitch]

Hello Aylwen,

This sounds great.

 Took a look at the page yesterday and found it somewhat confusing.

Tried to sign up for the $65 but it seemed it was at capacity so had to 
go for the 65+ shipping to Canada.  Hopefully I did it right.


The page also mentioned supporting your next book on men's costume but 
could not seem to find any option for doing that.


I hate to wish a year away,BUT can't wait until December '17.

It will be so exciting for you to travel to England to research what 
you will eventually share with us through your book.


I went on the Sense and Sensibility England costume tour this past 
September.  Sadly we really did not get to have any indepth time to 
study costume.  Regardless it was a great adventure.


Looking forward to my new book.

Charlene Roberts





On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 15:04:25 +1100, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden 
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Dear Friends

I am writing to seek your help financing my Kickstarter book project 
by
pre-purchasing my costume-in-detail book about 18th and early 19th 
century

trims, frills and furbelows - the finishing touches.

This is the first time you'll see such a focus on the 18th and early 
19th
century trims from the inside out - and the book will also have 
how-to
photographic explanations with each garment showing you how to 
reproduce
the trim by hand yourself! Its been exciting to have museums in the 
UK

coming on board and allowing me full access to their collections in
mid-2017 and the rights to publish photos of their costumes.

I'd love your support - please read more at https://www.kickstarter.
com/projects/1245085016/trims-frills-and-furbelows and please also 
share

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Warmest Regards,
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[Aylwen Gardiner-Garden]

Dear Friends

I am writing to seek your help financing my Kickstarter book project by
pre-purchasing my costume-in-detail book about 18th and early 19th century
trims, frills and furbelows - the finishing touches.

This is the first time you'll see such a focus on the 18th and early 19th
century trims from the inside out - and the book will also have how-to
photographic explanations with each garment showing you how to reproduce
the trim by hand yourself! Its been exciting to have museums in the UK
coming on board and allowing me full access to their collections in
mid-2017 and the rights to publish photos of their costumes.

I'd love your support - please read more at https://www.kickstarter.
com/projects/1245085016/trims-frills-and-furbelows and please also share
this information with your historical costume appreciating friends.

Warmest Regards,
and many thanks, again, for your support,

*Aylwen Gardiner-Garden*

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Re: [h-cost] dating vintage patterns by number and year

[Terry]

There is information on dating patterns that Cemetarian produced:
http://www.cemetarian.com/Dating_Sewing_Patterns.php

Terry
-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Cascio Michael
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:24 PM
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] dating vintage patterns by number and year

Hello the list,
 Many years ago someone  published a book, I think, that listed ranges
of pattern numbers for the Big 3 by year they were issued.  I don't recall
the name of the book since I wasn't doing vintage patterns then.  I can
figure out decade from the covers of the pattern but would like to be more
accurate than general decade.  Something to the effect of Simplicity 1001 to
1075 was published in 1937 or something similar.  Any help with the book
title much appreciated.
 
Cassandra

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Re: [h-cost] dating vintage patterns by number and year

[Lynn Downward]

I can't help you with the book but it would be very cool to have something
like that.

However, having said that, I know that I have a couple of patterns, let's
say Butterick 1234, dating in two separate decades. There's only so many
4-digit numbers available and they are recycled constantly.

I searched through my vintage pattern collection and looked on the
envelopes in the small print and on the instruction sheets and was able to
find most of the copyright dates for my patterns from the 30s on. It took a
couple of days, so now I search for it once I get a new pattern and put a
piece of archival paper with notes (copyright 1942, missing sleeve cuff
piece #7, manufacturing folds, unused, etc.) into a clear, archival comic
book envelope with the pattern. I've got mine filed by decade and by year
if possible. (I know, fussy.)
LynnD

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Cascio Michael  wrote:

> Hello the list,
>  Many years ago someone  published a book, I think, that listed ranges
> of pattern numbers for the Big 3 by year they were issued.  I don't recall
> the name of the book since I wasn't doing vintage patterns then.  I can
> figure out decade from the covers of the pattern but would like to be more
> accurate than general decade.  Something to the effect of Simplicity 1001
> to 1075 was published in 1937 or something similar.  Any help with the book
> title much appreciated.
>
>
> Cassandra
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[Cascio Michael]

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 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:20:53 -0700
 From: Lavolta Press <f...@lavoltapress.com>
 To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com>
 Subject: [h-cost] Victorian button boots
 Message-ID: <7d12816b-8731-81a3-5c2e-c9d3b5a31...@lavoltapress.com>
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 I had a nice pair of Victorian repro button boots with
 scallops. They 
 looked very authentic. I need to replace them. Does anyone
 know where I 
 can get a replacement?  American Duchess won't work for
 me. There are a 
 number of their shoes I would buy if they made smaller than
 a size 6, 
 but I wear 5 or 5 1/2.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Fran
 
 Lavolta Press
 
 Books on historic clothing
 
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 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:30:26 -0700
 From: "Sharon Collier" <sha...@collierfam.com>
 To: "'Historical Costume'" <h-cost...@indra.com>
 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian button boots
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 Try asking Lauren (owner American Duchess) if she can make
 you a smaller
 pair. There might be others who'd like smaller sizes.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com
 [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com]
 On
 Behalf Of Lavolta Press
 Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:21 PM
 To: Historical Costume
 Subject: [h-cost] Victorian button boots
 
 I had a nice pair of Victorian repro button boots with
 scallops. They looked
 very authentic. I need to replace them. Does anyone know
 where I can get a
 replacement?  American Duchess won't work for me. There
 are a number of
 their shoes I would buy if they made smaller than a size 6,
 but I wear 5 or
 5 1/2.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Fran
 
 Lavolta Press
 
 Books on historic clothing
 
 www.lavoltapress.com
 
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 I have already asked, she says sizes under 6 just don't sell
 well enough.
 
 Fran
 
 
 On 8/30/2016 3:30 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:
 > Try asking Lauren (owner American Duchess) if she can
 make you a smaller
 > pair. There might be others who'd like smaller sizes.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com
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 On
 > Behalf Of Lavolta Press
 > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:21 PM
 > To: Historical Costume
 > Subject: [h-cost] Victorian button boots
 >
 > I had a nice pair of Victorian repro button boots with
 scallops. They looked
 > very authentic. I need to replace them. Does anyone
 know where I can get a
 > replacement?  American Duchess won't work for me.
 There are a number of
 > their shoes I would buy if they made smaller than a
 size 6, but I wear 5 or
 > 5 1/2.
 >
 > Thanks.
 >
 > Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Victorian button boots

[Sharon Collier]

Another place to try is Amazon Drygoods. They came close to going out of
business a few years ago, but are still there. I know someone who makes
Elizabethan custom shoes. I'll ask him if he does Victorian.

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From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Lavolta Press
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:35 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian button boots

I have already asked, she says sizes under 6 just don't sell well enough.

Fran


On 8/30/2016 3:30 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:
> Try asking Lauren (owner American Duchess) if she can make you a 
> smaller pair. There might be others who'd like smaller sizes.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] 
> On Behalf Of Lavolta Press
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:21 PM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: [h-cost] Victorian button boots
>
> I had a nice pair of Victorian repro button boots with scallops. They 
> looked very authentic. I need to replace them. Does anyone know where 
> I can get a replacement?  American Duchess won't work for me. There 
> are a number of their shoes I would buy if they made smaller than a 
> size 6, but I wear 5 or
> 5 1/2.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Fran
>
> Lavolta Press
>
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>
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Re: [h-cost] Victorian button boots

[Lynn Downward]

Have you checked with Old Sacramento Goods? Can't remember the proper name
and don't have time to look it up, but it's the store from JoAnn Peterson,
owner of Laughing Moon Mercantile patterns.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Lavolta Press <f...@lavoltapress.com>
wrote:

> I have already asked, she says sizes under 6 just don't sell well enough.
>
> Fran
>
>
>
> On 8/30/2016 3:30 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:
>
>> Try asking Lauren (owner American Duchess) if she can make you a smaller
>> pair. There might be others who'd like smaller sizes.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
>> Behalf Of Lavolta Press
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:21 PM
>> To: Historical Costume
>> Subject: [h-cost] Victorian button boots
>>
>> I had a nice pair of Victorian repro button boots with scallops. They
>> looked
>> very authentic. I need to replace them. Does anyone know where I can get a
>> replacement?  American Duchess won't work for me. There are a number of
>> their shoes I would buy if they made smaller than a size 6, but I wear 5
>> or
>> 5 1/2.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Fran
>>
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>>
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Re: [h-cost] Victorian button boots

[Lavolta Press]

I have already asked, she says sizes under 6 just don't sell well enough.

Fran


On 8/30/2016 3:30 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:

Try asking Lauren (owner American Duchess) if she can make you a smaller
pair. There might be others who'd like smaller sizes.

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Lavolta Press
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:21 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] Victorian button boots

I had a nice pair of Victorian repro button boots with scallops. They looked
very authentic. I need to replace them. Does anyone know where I can get a
replacement?  American Duchess won't work for me. There are a number of
their shoes I would buy if they made smaller than a size 6, but I wear 5 or
5 1/2.

Thanks.

Fran

Lavolta Press

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Re: [h-cost] Victorian button boots

[Sharon Collier]

Try asking Lauren (owner American Duchess) if she can make you a smaller
pair. There might be others who'd like smaller sizes.

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Lavolta Press
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:21 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] Victorian button boots

I had a nice pair of Victorian repro button boots with scallops. They looked
very authentic. I need to replace them. Does anyone know where I can get a
replacement?  American Duchess won't work for me. There are a number of
their shoes I would buy if they made smaller than a size 6, but I wear 5 or
5 1/2.

Thanks.

Fran

Lavolta Press

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[h-cost] Victorian button boots

[Lavolta Press]

I had a nice pair of Victorian repro button boots with scallops. They 
looked very authentic. I need to replace them. Does anyone know where I 
can get a replacement?  American Duchess won't work for me. There are a 
number of their shoes I would buy if they made smaller than a size 6, 
but I wear 5 or 5 1/2.


Thanks.

Fran

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Re: [h-cost] image link for help needed in dating

[Purple Kat]

Off the top of my non-historical, non-military mind the writing might
be '(we) support our troops'. Which would place it probably in WW2 era.

Katheryne

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Hansen, Lia 
wrote:

> Thanks to Elena House for hosting the image.  It's from the midden of a
> 20th c. military base.
>
> http://www.formfunk.net/temp/undated.jpg
>
> Thanks to those who have weighed in so far!
>
> Lia
>
> Lia M. Hansen, M.F.A.
> Costume Designer/Associate Professor of Theatre Arts
> Vanguard University of Southern California
> 55 Fair Drive, Costa Mesa, CA  92626
> lia.han...@vanguard.edu
> 949-246-6585--cell
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[h-cost] image link for help needed in dating

[Hansen, Lia]

Thanks to Elena House for hosting the image.  It's from the midden of a 20th c. 
military base.

http://www.formfunk.net/temp/undated.jpg

Thanks to those who have weighed in so far!

Lia

Lia M. Hansen, M.F.A.
Costume Designer/Associate Professor of Theatre Arts
Vanguard University of Southern California
55 Fair Drive, Costa Mesa, CA  92626
lia.han...@vanguard.edu
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Re: [h-cost] Dating an image

[Danielle Nunn-Weinberg]

Hello!
 
I am now officially curious.    Any way that I can see this too?

Cheers,
Danielle
 
> From: exst...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 18:25:41 -0500
> To: h-cost...@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dating an image
> 
> Interesting piece!  It's both right up my alley, and out of my area of
> expertise.
> 
> I've spent a couple of decades collecting images of ads from about
> 1860-1970, so in that sense it's definitely my thing.  I LOVE old
> advertising/marketing/packaging. Frustratingly, though, just knowing when
> the image on the glass is from won't really date the piece with certainty.
> 
> This looks like the glass bottle packaging of some commercial product (I'm
> not familiar with it, but I'm checking my files and will keep checking)--in
> other words, not necessarily directly related to or produced by the
> military, although probably marketed to it judging by the clothing, which
> reminds me of WW1 women's volunteer or reserve uniforms.  The image and
> font used is most similar to the styles used starting around 1910, but
> still used into the 1930s (and seen to some degree even later).
> 
> However, the people who made logos and packaging and so forth back then
> made use of clip art just as we do today; the same basic image (sometimes
> with minor changes or updates) might be used and re-used in designs
> throughout several years, and companies might go years or decades without
> updating the design on their packaging.  So, this bottle may have been
> designed in the 1910s, but produced and purchased a decade or more later.
> It's likeliest that you'd see this in the wartime 1910s (especially
> considering the hairstyle; it could be a bob, but is more likely to be a
> late 1910s non-bobbed-but-pulled-back-low female style), but it wouldn't
> completely shock me if something like this popped up as late as the 1940s.
> It'd be unusual, but not impossible.
> 
> The area in which I have zero expertise, beyond a few minutes of searching
> on Google, is one that might help you narrow it down better than the actual
> image: the fact that the image is printed (or painted) in color on glass.
>  (Glass bottle packaging is a whole nother area of research than my own
> paper-based ad research; there's lots of people who specialize in and
> collect that.)  This is an application of technology that might not have
> become common as early as the 1910s; it's also possible that an expert on
> the subject could tell what technique was used to get that image on the
> glass, and come up with a date based on that.
> 
> Long story short, gun to my head I'd say late 1910s, but only if I had to
> give my last best guess, and the researchers would be well-served by
> getting input from people who know about the history of glass packaging.
> 
> Hope this helps, and I'm very interested in any conclusions the people
> working on this eventually reach about the dating of the site!
> -E House
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Cin <cinbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Did you send a picture?  If so, it probably wont come thru on this list.
> > You'll need to provide a link if you want people to see anything.
> >
> > --cin
> > Cynthia Barnes
> > cinbar...@gmail.com
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Hansen, Lia <lia.han...@vanguard.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The piece was found in a midden on a military base in Southern California
> > > and is from the 20th century.  We're trying to narrow down the decade.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [h-cost] Dating an image

[Elena House]

Interesting piece!  It's both right up my alley, and out of my area of
expertise.

I've spent a couple of decades collecting images of ads from about
1860-1970, so in that sense it's definitely my thing.  I LOVE old
advertising/marketing/packaging. Frustratingly, though, just knowing when
the image on the glass is from won't really date the piece with certainty.

This looks like the glass bottle packaging of some commercial product (I'm
not familiar with it, but I'm checking my files and will keep checking)--in
other words, not necessarily directly related to or produced by the
military, although probably marketed to it judging by the clothing, which
reminds me of WW1 women's volunteer or reserve uniforms.  The image and
font used is most similar to the styles used starting around 1910, but
still used into the 1930s (and seen to some degree even later).

However, the people who made logos and packaging and so forth back then
made use of clip art just as we do today; the same basic image (sometimes
with minor changes or updates) might be used and re-used in designs
throughout several years, and companies might go years or decades without
updating the design on their packaging.  So, this bottle may have been
designed in the 1910s, but produced and purchased a decade or more later.
It's likeliest that you'd see this in the wartime 1910s (especially
considering the hairstyle; it could be a bob, but is more likely to be a
late 1910s non-bobbed-but-pulled-back-low female style), but it wouldn't
completely shock me if something like this popped up as late as the 1940s.
It'd be unusual, but not impossible.

The area in which I have zero expertise, beyond a few minutes of searching
on Google, is one that might help you narrow it down better than the actual
image: the fact that the image is printed (or painted) in color on glass.
 (Glass bottle packaging is a whole nother area of research than my own
paper-based ad research; there's lots of people who specialize in and
collect that.)  This is an application of technology that might not have
become common as early as the 1910s; it's also possible that an expert on
the subject could tell what technique was used to get that image on the
glass, and come up with a date based on that.

Long story short, gun to my head I'd say late 1910s, but only if I had to
give my last best guess, and the researchers would be well-served by
getting input from people who know about the history of glass packaging.

Hope this helps, and I'm very interested in any conclusions the people
working on this eventually reach about the dating of the site!
-E House

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Cin  wrote:

> Did you send a picture?  If so, it probably wont come thru on this list.
> You'll need to provide a link if you want people to see anything.
>
> --cin
> Cynthia Barnes
> cinbar...@gmail.com
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Hansen, Lia 
> wrote:
>
> > The piece was found in a midden on a military base in Southern California
> > and is from the 20th century.  We're trying to narrow down the decade.
> >
> >
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Re: [h-cost] Dating an image

[Cin]

Did you send a picture?  If so, it probably wont come thru on this list.
You'll need to provide a link if you want people to see anything.

--cin
Cynthia Barnes
cinbar...@gmail.com

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> The piece was found in a midden on a military base in Southern California
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[Hansen, Lia]

The piece was found in a midden on a military base in Southern California and 
is from the 20th century.  We're trying to narrow down the decade.



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Re: [h-cost] Help in dating an image

[Kim Baird]

Lia-
When I sent you an email offering to help, I got an automatic "out of
office" reply. Shcekc your email.
Kim

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Subject: [h-cost] Help in dating an image

Subject: Help in dating an image

My friend is an archeologist and found this image at a recent dig.  I
thought this group might be a good resource to help zero in on a date.  If
you are interested in weighing in, feel free to email me at
lia.han...@vanguard.edu<mailto:lia.han...@vanguard.edu> and I'll send the
image to you since I can't seem to post it and I don't have a link to it..

Thanks!

Lia

Lia M. Hansen, M.F.A.
Costume Designer/Associate Professor of Theatre Arts Vanguard University of
Southern California
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Re: [h-cost] Help in dating an image

[Kate Bunting]

Lia,

Can you give us a clue as to the general period the image is from? Is it a
photograph, or something earlier?

Kate Bunting
Retired librarian & 17th century reenactor

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Hansen, Lia 
wrote:

> Subject: Help in dating an image
>
> My friend is an archeologist and found this image at a recent dig.  I
> thought this group might be a good resource to help zero in on a date.  If
> you are interested in weighing in, feel free to email me at
> lia.han...@vanguard.edu and I'll send the
> image to you since I can't seem to post it and I don't have a link to it..
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lia
>
> Lia M. Hansen, M.F.A.
> Costume Designer/Associate Professor of Theatre Arts
> Vanguard University of Southern California
> 55 Fair Drive, Costa Mesa, CA  92626
> lia.han...@vanguard.edu
> 949-246-6585--cell
> 714-662-5229--fax
> 714-619-6423--office
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[Mary Bucher]

I discovered that you just have to use "indra.com" instead of "
mail.indra.com" for web pages and email addresses.
https://indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

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Re: [h-cost] Non destructive testing for wool/synthetic

[Marjorie Wilser]

And now I remember where I recognize you from, Chris. Rav. I’m 
oh-so-imaginitively MarjorieW.

==Marjorie Wilser (wandering a bit off topic)


> On Aug 19, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Chris Laning  wrote:
> 
> If the reason you need to know is to figure out how to wash it, you could 
> simply plan to hand wash it to be on the safe side. Baby things are small and 
> usually don't take forever to wash or dry.
> 
> If there are other concerns (such as potential allergy), the smell and feel 
> tests should give you a clue. You can also ask other knitters to smell and 
> feel it if you're not sure you know how to tell.
> 
> Alternatively -- neither of the "destructive" tests requires more than, say, 
> half an inch of yarn or a pea-sized quantity of fuzz.  Carefully clipping off 
> some "fuzz" from the inside without actually cutting any yarn, or looking for 
> a place to clip a little off the inside of a seam allowance, could let you be 
> sure.
> 


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Re: [h-cost] Non destructive testing for wool/synthetic

[Chris Laning]

If the reason you need to know is to figure out how to wash it, you could 
simply plan to hand wash it to be on the safe side. Baby things are small and 
usually don't take forever to wash or dry.

If there are other concerns (such as potential allergy), the smell and feel 
tests should give you a clue. You can also ask other knitters to smell and feel 
it if you're not sure you know how to tell.

Alternatively -- neither of the "destructive" tests requires more than, say, 
half an inch of yarn or a pea-sized quantity of fuzz.  Carefully clipping off 
some "fuzz" from the inside without actually cutting any yarn, or looking for a 
place to clip a little off the inside of a seam allowance, could let you be 
sure.

On Aug 17, 2016, at 11:46 PM, Elizabeth Jones wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> This is not directly historical but I knew this list would be my best
> chance of an answer.
> My uncle sent my 2 month old son a gift of a hand knitted cardigan which he
> bought from a charity stall. without a label I have no way to know if they
> have used wool or acrylic yarn.
> I know I can test using bleach or a burn test but I don't want to damage
> the garment is there a non destructive test I can do on a finished garment?
> Thanks
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Re: [h-cost] Non destructive testing for wool/synthetic

[Rebecca Tonkin]

If you know somebody who is allergic to wool - and they are willing - they
could hold it and see if it triggers a reaction.
Otherwise, microscope. You can buy pretty good microscopes these days,
including some that plug into a computer via USB so you can capture images.
Wool is scaly like hair, synthetic fibres are smooth.
Rebecca

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:46:35 +1000
From: Elizabeth Jones 

Hi everyone,
This is not directly historical but I knew this list would be my best chance
of an answer.
My uncle sent my 2 month old son a gift of a hand knitted cardigan which he
bought from a charity stall. without a label I have no way to know if they
have used wool or acrylic yarn.
I know I can test using bleach or a burn test but I don't want to damage the
garment is there a non destructive test I can do on a finished garment?
Thanks
Elizabeth


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Re: [h-cost] Non destructive testing for wool/synthetic

[Sharon Collier]

Wool often has a distinct smell when wet. Try getting a bit wet and
sniffing. 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 11:47 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] Non destructive testing for wool/synthetic

Hi everyone,
This is not directly historical but I knew this list would be my best chance
of an answer.
My uncle sent my 2 month old son a gift of a hand knitted cardigan which he
bought from a charity stall. without a label I have no way to know if they
have used wool or acrylic yarn.
I know I can test using bleach or a burn test but I don't want to damage the
garment is there a non destructive test I can do on a finished garment?
Thanks
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Re: [h-cost] Non destructive testing for wool/synthetic

[michaela de bruce]

Super fast way: wool is a natural fibre and has scales. So this means that
like human hair you have a smooth direction and a not smooth direction.

If you take a lock of hair, hold it tight you can easily run another finger
down the length but it catches on the way up.

Wool I think is less scaly, but acrylic is not scaly at all. So if you can
get a few loose threads you could feel for that. Same reason woollens fluff
up but worsteds are smooth. In worsted the fibres are spun in one direction
in woollens they are in both directions so the fibres catch with the scales
more readily.

This will really only identify natural vs spun plastic though :)

But wool also smells of wool when washed, and I find acrylic squeaks
upleasantly when rolled between the fingers. My school uniforms used
acrylic for the bulk of the fibres and this was the sensation I most
recognise.

A really good microscope would definitely identify the fibres :)


Michaela

On 18 August 2016 at 18:46, Elizabeth Jones 
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> This is not directly historical but I knew this list would be my best
> chance of an answer.
> My uncle sent my 2 month old son a gift of a hand knitted cardigan which he
> bought from a charity stall. without a label I have no way to know if they
> have used wool or acrylic yarn.
> I know I can test using bleach or a burn test but I don't want to damage
> the garment is there a non destructive test I can do on a finished garment?
> Thanks
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[Elizabeth Jones]

Hi everyone,
This is not directly historical but I knew this list would be my best
chance of an answer.
My uncle sent my 2 month old son a gift of a hand knitted cardigan which he
bought from a charity stall. without a label I have no way to know if they
have used wool or acrylic yarn.
I know I can test using bleach or a burn test but I don't want to damage
the garment is there a non destructive test I can do on a finished garment?
Thanks
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Re: [h-cost] Question for 1920s reenactors

[ruthan...@mindspring.com]

Thanks to Cin, Lavolta Press, and Katy Bishop for their prompt and helpful 
messages. It should be fun working out some moments of these for Henry Ford and 
President Warren G. Harding to do together—should be quite an effect, judging 
from the videos!

Best wishes to all for a lovely Summer by the Sea.

—Ruth Anne

> On Aug 4, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Cin  wrote:
> 
> Have a great time!  Wish I was there, but I just did Costume College & it's
> a one-or-the-other choice.  BTW, you'll love Richard's new Skittles
> Quadrilles. I really enjoyed being part of the dance team as he & Nick Enge
> were working on those.
> For the rest of you, if you ever need a full week of amazing historic dress
> & dine & dance: GO!
> --cin
> 
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Katy Bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the shout out for Summer by the Sea Cin, only a few hours until
>> kick-off!
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Cin  wrote:
>> 
>>> They're the same thing & used when waltz music gets absurdly fast at the
>>> turn of the previous century.  This should get you started:
>>> http://www.libraryofdance.org/dances/   Search for the dance name &
>>> there's
>>> video.
>>> 
>>> Most of the serious dance historians are off at this Vintage Dance week as
>>> of yesterday.
>>> ​http://www.vintagevictorian.com/2016summer-bythe-sea.html​
>>> --cin
>> 
>> 
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[Cin]

Have a great time!  Wish I was there, but I just did Costume College & it's
a one-or-the-other choice.  BTW, you'll love Richard's new Skittles
Quadrilles. I really enjoyed being part of the dance team as he & Nick Enge
were working on those.
For the rest of you, if you ever need a full week of amazing historic dress
& dine & dance: GO!
--cin

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Katy Bishop  wrote:

> Thanks for the shout out for Summer by the Sea Cin, only a few hours until
> kick-off!
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Cin  wrote:
>
>> They're the same thing & used when waltz music gets absurdly fast at the
>> turn of the previous century.  This should get you started:
>> http://www.libraryofdance.org/dances/   Search for the dance name &
>> there's
>> video.
>>
>> Most of the serious dance historians are off at this Vintage Dance week as
>> of yesterday.
>> ​http://www.vintagevictorian.com/2016summer-bythe-sea.html​
>> --cin
>
>
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Re: [h-cost] Question for 1920s reenactors

[Lavolta Press]

They're absolutely real, but all my dance books are packed for moving. 
For the 1920s they are old fashioned, 1890s is more like it.  But Henry 
Ford was  into promoting old-fashioned dances.


Fran

Lavolta Press

Books on historic clothing

www.lavoltapress.com


On 8/4/2016 10:10 AM, ruthan...@mindspring.com wrote:

Hello the list, after so long…

Doing a play (“Camping with Henry and Tom”) where the character Henry Ford 
refers to two dances:  The Ripple and The Newport. A quick Google doesn’t 
yiield anything. Did the playwright just make up these dance names, or were 
they real dances around 1920? I’d very much like to hear from any reenactor who 
has danced one or both, or even heard of one or both.

Any help appreciated!

—Ruth Anne Baumgartner



On Jun 9, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Christine Robb  wrote:

(Retrying - originally sent May 30 but it failed to be delivered)

Best website with a couple of pictures:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/guelph-museum-lady-duff-gordon-lucile-1.3566150

Heard about this exhibit on the radio today.  There's a longer call-in
radio show here: http://www.cbc.ca/ontariotoday/episodes/ "For the
love of Lucille" with people calling in to share stories about
clothing that was personal to them in some way, and with some
additional content about the exhibition, but the 5 minute clip on the
first link is probably more informative about the exhibit.

Runs May 7 - November 13, 2016
http://guelphmuseums.ca/event/lucile-fashion-titanic-scandal/

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Re: [h-cost] Question for 1920s reenactors

[Lavolta Press]

The Newport and the Ripple are not the same dance. Try Melvin Ballou 
Gilbert's 1890s dance manual "Round Dancing" for instructions.



Fran


On 8/4/2016 10:27 AM, Katy Bishop wrote:

In vintage dance circles we've done the Newport and the Ripple--they are
real 1890s dance steps.

The NEwport (sort of a limping step:

NewportLeap back left, across LOD (gents) with a quarter
turn, Side right and close, Side right and Close, Leap forward right
(gents) with a quarter turn, Side left and close, Side left close..i.e.:
{1&2&3,4&5&6}.


Don't remember the ripple sequence of steps.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:10 PM, ruthan...@mindspring.com <
ruthan...@mindspring.com> wrote:


Hello the list, after so long…

Doing a play (“Camping with Henry and Tom”) where the character Henry Ford
refers to two dances:  The Ripple and The Newport. A quick Google doesn’t
yiield anything. Did the playwright just make up these dance names, or were
they real dances around 1920? I’d very much like to hear from any reenactor
who has danced one or both, or even heard of one or both.

Any help appreciated!

—Ruth Anne Baumgartner



On Jun 9, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Christine Robb 

wrote:

(Retrying - originally sent May 30 but it failed to be delivered)

Best website with a couple of pictures:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/guelph-

museum-lady-duff-gordon-lucile-1.3566150

Heard about this exhibit on the radio today.  There's a longer call-in
radio show here: http://www.cbc.ca/ontariotoday/episodes/ "For the
love of Lucille" with people calling in to share stories about
clothing that was personal to them in some way, and with some
additional content about the exhibition, but the 5 minute clip on the
first link is probably more informative about the exhibit.

Runs May 7 - November 13, 2016
http://guelphmuseums.ca/event/lucile-fashion-titanic-scandal/

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Re: [h-cost] Question for 1920s reenactors

[Katy Bishop]

Thanks for the shout out for Summer by the Sea Cin, only a few hours until
kick-off!

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Cin  wrote:

> They're the same thing & used when waltz music gets absurdly fast at the
> turn of the previous century.  This should get you started:
> http://www.libraryofdance.org/dances/   Search for the dance name &
> there's
> video.
>
> Most of the serious dance historians are off at this Vintage Dance week as
> of yesterday.
> ​http://www.vintagevictorian.com/2016summer-bythe-sea.html​
> --cin
> Cynthia Barnes
> cinbar...@gmail.com
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:10 AM, ruthan...@mindspring.com <
> ruthan...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello the list, after so long…
> >
> > Doing a play (“Camping with Henry and Tom”) where the character Henry
> Ford
> > refers to two dances:  The Ripple and The Newport. A quick Google doesn’t
> > yiield anything. Did the playwright just make up these dance names, or
> were
> > they real dances around 1920? I’d very much like to hear from any
> reenactor
> > who has danced one or both, or even heard of one or both.
> >
> > Any help appreciated!
> >
> > —Ruth Anne Baumgartner
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Re: [h-cost] Question for 1920s reenactors

[Katy Bishop]

In vintage dance circles we've done the Newport and the Ripple--they are
real 1890s dance steps.

The NEwport (sort of a limping step:

NewportLeap back left, across LOD (gents) with a quarter
turn, Side right and close, Side right and Close, Leap forward right
(gents) with a quarter turn, Side left and close, Side left close..i.e.:
{1&2&3,4&5&6}.


Don't remember the ripple sequence of steps.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:10 PM, ruthan...@mindspring.com <
ruthan...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Hello the list, after so long…
>
> Doing a play (“Camping with Henry and Tom”) where the character Henry Ford
> refers to two dances:  The Ripple and The Newport. A quick Google doesn’t
> yiield anything. Did the playwright just make up these dance names, or were
> they real dances around 1920? I’d very much like to hear from any reenactor
> who has danced one or both, or even heard of one or both.
>
> Any help appreciated!
>
> —Ruth Anne Baumgartner
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Christine Robb 
> wrote:
> >
> > (Retrying - originally sent May 30 but it failed to be delivered)
> >
> > Best website with a couple of pictures:
> > http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/guelph-
> museum-lady-duff-gordon-lucile-1.3566150
> >
> > Heard about this exhibit on the radio today.  There's a longer call-in
> > radio show here: http://www.cbc.ca/ontariotoday/episodes/ "For the
> > love of Lucille" with people calling in to share stories about
> > clothing that was personal to them in some way, and with some
> > additional content about the exhibition, but the 5 minute clip on the
> > first link is probably more informative about the exhibit.
> >
> > Runs May 7 - November 13, 2016
> > http://guelphmuseums.ca/event/lucile-fashion-titanic-scandal/
> >
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Re: [h-cost] Question for 1920s reenactors

[Cin]

They're the same thing & used when waltz music gets absurdly fast at the
turn of the previous century.  This should get you started:
http://www.libraryofdance.org/dances/   Search for the dance name & there's
video.

Most of the serious dance historians are off at this Vintage Dance week as
of yesterday.
​http://www.vintagevictorian.com/2016summer-bythe-sea.html​
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> Hello the list, after so long…
>
> Doing a play (“Camping with Henry and Tom”) where the character Henry Ford
> refers to two dances:  The Ripple and The Newport. A quick Google doesn’t
> yiield anything. Did the playwright just make up these dance names, or were
> they real dances around 1920? I’d very much like to hear from any reenactor
> who has danced one or both, or even heard of one or both.
>
> Any help appreciated!
>
> —Ruth Anne Baumgartner
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[h-cost] Question for 1920s reenactors

[ruthan...@mindspring.com]

Hello the list, after so long…

Doing a play (“Camping with Henry and Tom”) where the character Henry Ford 
refers to two dances:  The Ripple and The Newport. A quick Google doesn’t 
yiield anything. Did the playwright just make up these dance names, or were 
they real dances around 1920? I’d very much like to hear from any reenactor who 
has danced one or both, or even heard of one or both.

Any help appreciated!

—Ruth Anne Baumgartner


> On Jun 9, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Christine Robb  wrote:
> 
> (Retrying - originally sent May 30 but it failed to be delivered)
> 
> Best website with a couple of pictures:
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/guelph-museum-lady-duff-gordon-lucile-1.3566150
> 
> Heard about this exhibit on the radio today.  There's a longer call-in
> radio show here: http://www.cbc.ca/ontariotoday/episodes/ "For the
> love of Lucille" with people calling in to share stories about
> clothing that was personal to them in some way, and with some
> additional content about the exhibition, but the 5 minute clip on the
> first link is probably more informative about the exhibit.
> 
> Runs May 7 - November 13, 2016
> http://guelphmuseums.ca/event/lucile-fashion-titanic-scandal/
> 
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Re: [h-cost] An amazing sewing machine

[lisa58]

Thanks!  This was a great article!  I put it up on my FB page for Miss
Lizzy's Traveling Historical Fashion Show.

Lisa a

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:09:28 -0700 Marjorie Wilser 
writes:
> Brace yourselves. Mrs. General Tom Thumb had a sewing machine built 
> to scale!
> 
> FWIW I�ve seen her tiny corset at the Ringling museum in Sarasota, 
> Florida. I doubt she made it herself, but it is tempting to 
> hypothesize.
> 
> http://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/yes-mrs-tom-thumb-had-sewing-machine
> 
> ==Marjorie 
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[h-cost] Drafting/drawing table for sale

[Lavolta Press]

Bieffe brand table for drafting sewing patterns or drawing fashion 
illustrations. The top is 60 inches wide by 38 inches tall. It can be 
tilted to a variety of positions, and the chosen position locked by a 
foot brace. The base is very sturdy. The table is in very good 
condition. $50 cash. The table is in San Francisco and the buyer needs 
to pick it up. It can be disassembled.


Here is a link to a description of smaller models of the same table:

http://www.jerrysartarama.com/bieffe-artist-drafting-tables

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Books on making historic clothing

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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[scourney]

Thanks.  I will look at the ermine street as well.  I found some good 
information on Roman reenactment sites. Including a shoe pattern.
These are for a one use photo for a book so it just has to look right. Nothing 
like arguing with the company owner about the costume history.  Luckily they'd 
also contacted an archeologist with ties to Pompeii and we both said the same 
thing.Susan 

 Original message From: Katy Bishop <katybisho...@gmail.com> 
Date: 7/15/16  9:35 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Historical Costume 
<h-cost...@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman experts? 
It really looks like a hood to me. I will forward to a friend who does
Roman impressions.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:35 AM, scourney <scour...@nwlink.com> wrote:

> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread -
> https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
> - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I
> can't decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause
> it looks like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish
> trim which almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and
> why the trim just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
> Thanks all, Susan Courney
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Re: [h-cost] An amazing sewing machine

[Cin]

What a beautiful sewing machine cabinet.  Thanks for the link,

--cin
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:09 AM, Marjorie Wilser  wrote:

> Brace yourselves. Mrs. General Tom Thumb had a sewing machine built to
> scale!
>
> FWIW I’ve seen her tiny corset at the Ringling museum in Sarasota,
> Florida. I doubt she made it herself, but it is tempting to hypothesize.
>
> http://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/yes-mrs-tom-thumb-had-sewing-machine
>
> ==Marjorie
>
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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[scourney]

Hi,
That's what I was thinking, except I'm not sure that cloaks had hoods attached. 
And why would only the hood have trim?
I want to make sure I'm not missing something.
Susan 
 Original message From: RC Weber <r.c.we...@comcast.net> Date: 
7/15/16  12:10 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com> 
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman experts? 
To me, it looks like a warm-white (undyed wool?) hooded 1/2 (maybe 2/3 
or 3/4) circle cloak where the hood is lined with darkish blue and 
trimmed with warm brown in a rectilinear fashion.

The hood is made of a rectangle folded in half to make a square and 
seamed on one edge (usually the back so the top has no seam to leak rain 
through) and then mounted to the neck area.  That makes fold on top, 
seam in back, open edge stitched to cloak, other open edge for face. 
This type folds against the wearer's back as shown.

The neck area of the cloak could have a scoop or even an actual arc cut 
out as the hood, when stitched on, provides a sturdy edge so there's a 
minimum of sag, roll-up, or 'ride' with a maximum of comfort.

In the picture, the cloak's clasped/tied/secured in front with the right 
side flipped back over the right arm.

That's what it looks like to me, at any rate.  :-)

-Cate



On 14-Jul-16 11:35 PM, scourney wrote:
> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I 
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a 
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread 
> -https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
>  - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and 
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I can't 
> decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause it looks 
> like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish trim which 
> almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and why the trim 
> just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
> Thanks all, Susan Courney
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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[Ginni Morgan]

If you look real close, there appears to be a triangular shape hanging from the 
back of the neck.  This would match what Cate describes below.  It looks to me 
as if the entire cloak is lined in a dark color.  That's the only way some of 
the draping lines make sense to me.  I also think that the trim is actually two 
small squares, one on each side, applied to the hood.  They look to me to be 
white with brown trim around the edges.  And, of course, most of those squares 
would be hidden under the fold of the hood.

As for the baker selling bread, my guess would be that he is wearing a white 
tunic and with possibly a white cloak of the same type which is thrown back 
over his right shoulder, while the left side covers his arm to the wrist, 
leaving the hand free.  I guess the question would be whether or not he was a 
citizen entitled to wear a toga, followed by whether he would wear his toga 
(they were expensive) to work in his shop/booth if he was.

Now you have more questions to ask of the experts.  ;>)

Ginni

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of RC Weber
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 12:10 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

To me, it looks like a warm-white (undyed wool?) hooded 1/2 (maybe 2/3 or 3/4) 
circle cloak where the hood is lined with darkish blue and trimmed with warm 
brown in a rectilinear fashion.

The hood is made of a rectangle folded in half to make a square and seamed on 
one edge (usually the back so the top has no seam to leak rain
through) and then mounted to the neck area.  That makes fold on top, seam in 
back, open edge stitched to cloak, other open edge for face.
This type folds against the wearer's back as shown.

The neck area of the cloak could have a scoop or even an actual arc cut out as 
the hood, when stitched on, provides a sturdy edge so there's a minimum of sag, 
roll-up, or 'ride' with a maximum of comfort.

In the picture, the cloak's clasped/tied/secured in front with the right side 
flipped back over the right arm.

That's what it looks like to me, at any rate.  :-)

-Cate



On 14-Jul-16 11:35 PM, scourney wrote:
> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I 
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a 
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread 
> -https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
>  - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and 
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I can't 
> decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause it looks 
> like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish trim which 
> almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and why the trim 
> just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
> Thanks all, Susan Courney
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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[Katy Bishop]

It really looks like a hood to me. I will forward to a friend who does
Roman impressions.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:35 AM, scourney  wrote:

> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread -
> https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
> - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I
> can't decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause
> it looks like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish
> trim which almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and
> why the trim just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
> Thanks all, Susan Courney
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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[Cin]

I would ask people who do that sort of thing regularly.  The best I know
of, and I dont know if they do civilian impressions, is the Ermine Street
Guard.  http://www.erminestreetguard.co.uk/

--cin
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 11:35 PM, scourney  wrote:

> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread -
> https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
> - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I
> can't decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause
> it looks like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish
> trim which almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and
> why the trim just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
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[h-cost] An amazing sewing machine

[Marjorie Wilser]

Brace yourselves. Mrs. General Tom Thumb had a sewing machine built to scale!

FWIW I’ve seen her tiny corset at the Ringling museum in Sarasota, Florida. I 
doubt she made it herself, but it is tempting to hypothesize.

http://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/yes-mrs-tom-thumb-had-sewing-machine

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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[RC Weber]

To me, it looks like a warm-white (undyed wool?) hooded 1/2 (maybe 2/3 
or 3/4) circle cloak where the hood is lined with darkish blue and 
trimmed with warm brown in a rectilinear fashion.


The hood is made of a rectangle folded in half to make a square and 
seamed on one edge (usually the back so the top has no seam to leak rain 
through) and then mounted to the neck area.  That makes fold on top, 
seam in back, open edge stitched to cloak, other open edge for face. 
This type folds against the wearer's back as shown.


The neck area of the cloak could have a scoop or even an actual arc cut 
out as the hood, when stitched on, provides a sturdy edge so there's a 
minimum of sag, roll-up, or 'ride' with a maximum of comfort.


In the picture, the cloak's clasped/tied/secured in front with the right 
side flipped back over the right arm.


That's what it looks like to me, at any rate.  :-)

-Cate



On 14-Jul-16 11:35 PM, scourney wrote:

Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I think 
I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a question on one 
thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
The painting in question is the sale of the bread 
-https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
 - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and 
the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I can't 
decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause it looks 
like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish trim which 
almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and why the trim 
just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
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[h-cost] Roman experts?

[scourney]

Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I think 
I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a question on one 
thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
The painting in question is the sale of the bread 
-https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
 - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and 
the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I can't 
decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause it looks 
like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish trim which 
almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and why the trim 
just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
Thanks all, Susan Courney 
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[h-cost] Floor loom for sale

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Similar to this:

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46" size, 8 harnesses, jack loom. Great condition. No bench included. I 
think I have a warping board around that I can include, if I can find 
it. Various reeds. Located in San Francisco and I will not try to ship 
it or deliver it. The buyer needs to find a truck and helpers and take 
it to their own home or studio. The back beam can be removed for 
transport. $500.



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Re: [h-cost] slightly OT -- 1790s women's outerwear

[Patricia Dunham]

saw some period “pashminas” on-line when I was hunting… they didn’t look much 
like the fabrics in the movie, well, maybe the floral embroidery on black… what 
were in the movie were much smaller than the period ones… can I find a link…  
yes, Diane Thalmann  http://www.antique-textiles.net/shawls/   her pages show 
tons of period gorgeousness!  well, she’s in the UK which would certainly help!

“chimney”  — don’t you just “love” spell-checkers!?!?!

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:33 PM, ca...@aquazoo.net wrote:
> 
> I don't see this as off topic at all. Movies and TV can be inspiring for
> historic clothing, and we just need to weed out the accurate from the
> designer's creativity.
> 
> The shawls look like pashminas that are easy to find these days, and I
> suspect they are there to give some color and interest to an otherwise
> monotone, blobby garment.
> 
> I haven't seen that done in any artwork of the era, but if anyone has,
> please do tell!
> 
> -Carol
> 
> 
>> Yes, I’m talking about Love and Friendship, which we saw over the
>> weekend.
>> 
>> What caught my eye particularly in the costume area was how often the
>> ladies’ great big Kinsale-type cloaks ALSO had some kind  of little
>> shawl or scarf around the shoulders. Those little strips of sheer lacy
>> stuff (various) also appeared when the ladies were outside in nice
>> weather, but the point of them with the big cloaks was puzzling.
>> 
>> As, at the movie’s UK website ( http://loveandfriendshipfilm.co.uk
>>  ) there are two pictures of “Mrs.
>> Johnson” in a dark cloak with a reddish-patterned something around her
>> neck… but OVER the cloak and UNDER the hood. There is also an excellent
>> image of Frederica Vernon in her embroidered “shawl”, with only the
>> blue velvet of the hood showing…
>> 
>> I spent a good part of the day trying to document this
>> “whatever-it-is”, with no success. My best guess is that the small
>> shawls  or scarves were used to snug the voluminous-but-drafty cloaks
>> closer to the body in cold weather.
>> 
>> Anybody know anything more specific about this issue? The movie was sort
>> of wonderfully awful (Susan Vernon IS.THE.DEVIL!), we enjoyed mostly
>> everyone getting what they deserved, although I must agree with the
>> reviewer who opined that Chloe Savigny jangled every time her 21stC self
>> appeared in the Georgian period.
>> 
>> Thanks much!
>> chimney
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[h-cost] Queen Elizabeth's 90th birthday clothing exhibits

[Christine Robb]

(Also originally sent May 30)

While I'm on the list and thinking about it, there are also supposed
to be some excellent exhibits displaying fashions from (the current)
Queen Elizabeth's clothing over the years.  Apparently there's a brief
period of time when they all overlap, if you plan your trip carefully!

For those of us unlucky enough to not be there in person, there are
some small but clear photos online.

https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/exhibitions/fashioning-a-reign-90-years-of-style-from-the-queens-wardrobe

To my eyes, many of the dresses are fairly timeless, but the millinery
seems to be much more date-specific.  It may just be a matter of
eveningwear versus daywear, but I thought the difference was notable.


Christine
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[h-cost] slightly OT -- 1790s women's outerwear

[Patricia Dunham]

Yes, I’m talking about Love and Friendship, which we saw over the weekend.

What caught my eye particularly in the costume area was how often the ladies’ 
great big Kinsale-type cloaks ALSO had some kind  of little shawl or scarf 
around the shoulders. Those little strips of sheer lacy stuff (various) also 
appeared when the ladies were outside in nice weather, but the point of them 
with the big cloaks was puzzling.

As, at the movie’s UK website ( http://loveandfriendshipfilm.co.uk 
 ) there are two pictures of “Mrs. 
Johnson” in a dark cloak with a reddish-patterned something around her neck… 
but OVER the cloak and UNDER the hood. There is also an excellent image of 
Frederica Vernon in her embroidered “shawl”, with only the blue velvet of the 
hood showing…

I spent a good part of the day trying to document this “whatever-it-is”, with 
no success. My best guess is that the small shawls  or scarves were used to 
snug the voluminous-but-drafty cloaks closer to the body in cold weather.

Anybody know anything more specific about this issue? The movie was sort of 
wonderfully awful (Susan Vernon IS.THE.DEVIL!), we enjoyed mostly everyone 
getting what they deserved, although I must agree with the reviewer who opined 
that Chloe Savigny jangled every time her 21stC self appeared in the Georgian 
period.

Thanks much!
chimney
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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 15, Issue 34

[Hansen, Lia]

What about a lingerie chest?  They usually have drawers without dividers and of 
different depths.



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   1. Large jewelry box with large compartments (Lavolta Press)
   2. Re: Large jewelry box with large compartments (Alexandria Doyle)
   3. Re: Large jewelry box with large compartments (Sharon Collier)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 13:35:12 -0700
From: Lavolta Press <f...@lavoltapress.com>
To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com>
Subject: [h-cost] Large jewelry box with large compartments
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I'm still packing my stuff to move to Sacramento. I have a fair amount
of steampunk and historic-inspired costume jewelry that's just big.
Large necklaces. Chunky cuff bracelets. Tiaras. It's been lying around
on top of things because I didn't have any jewelry box big enough for it
all. I'd like a nice box, not the kind of plastic bin people use for
sewing supplies. (Artbin, anyone?) Preferably wooden, but leather would do.

And I'm not finding one. I've always thought the Reed & Barton jewelry
boxes (bought on Ebay) were the best quality for the money, but half
their drawers have small, fixed compartments for things like little
pendants, which this stuff won't fit into. I need a big box with big
compartments and deep drawers. Any suggestions?


Fran

Lavolta Press

Books on making historic clothing

www.lavoltapress.com<http://www.lavoltapress.com>





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Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 17:25:54 -0500
From: Alexandria Doyle <garbaho...@gmail.com>
To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Large jewelry box with large compartments
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?Check out someplace like Harbor Freight that has the wooden tool boxes.
I'm not sure of the depth of the drawers, but if it handles tools it might
be large enough for the oversize jewelry?\

alex

So much to do and so little attention span to get it done with?

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Lavolta Press <f...@lavoltapress.com> wrote:

> I'm still packing my stuff to move to Sacramento. I have a fair amount of
> steampunk and historic-inspired costume jewelry that's just big. Large
> necklaces. Chunky cuff bracelets. Tiaras. It's been lying around on top of
> things because I didn't have any jewelry box big enough for it all. I'd
> like a nice box, not the kind of plastic bin people use for sewing
> supplies. (Artbin, anyone?) Preferably wooden, but leather would do.
>
> And I'm not finding one. I've always thought the Reed & Barton jewelry
> boxes (bought on Ebay) were the best quality for the money, but half their
> drawers have small, fixed compartments for things like little pendants,
> which this stuff won't fit into. I need a big box with big compartments and
> deep drawers. Any suggestions?
>
>
> Fran
>
> Lavolta Press
>
> Books on making historic clothing
>
> www.lavoltapress.com<http://www.lavoltapress.com>
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Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 21:29:24 -0700
From: "Sharon Collier" <sha...@collierfam.com>
To: "'Historical Costume'" <h-cost...@indra.com>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Large jewelry box with large compartments
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My friend has a wooden tool box that she uses for her jewelry. It's large
and has big compartments. You can buy them online.

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Subject: [h-cost] Large jewelry box with large com

Re: [h-cost] Large jewelry box with large compartments

[Alexandria Doyle]

​Check out someplace like Harbor Freight that has the wooden tool boxes.
I'm not sure of the depth of the drawers, but if it handles tools it might
be large enough for the oversize jewelry​\

alex

So much to do and so little attention span to get it done with…

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Lavolta Press  wrote:

> I'm still packing my stuff to move to Sacramento. I have a fair amount of
> steampunk and historic-inspired costume jewelry that's just big. Large
> necklaces. Chunky cuff bracelets. Tiaras. It's been lying around on top of
> things because I didn't have any jewelry box big enough for it all. I'd
> like a nice box, not the kind of plastic bin people use for sewing
> supplies. (Artbin, anyone?) Preferably wooden, but leather would do.
>
> And I'm not finding one. I've always thought the Reed & Barton jewelry
> boxes (bought on Ebay) were the best quality for the money, but half their
> drawers have small, fixed compartments for things like little pendants,
> which this stuff won't fit into. I need a big box with big compartments and
> deep drawers. Any suggestions?
>
>
> Fran
>
> Lavolta Press
>
> Books on making historic clothing
>
> www.lavoltapress.com
>
>
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[h-cost] Large jewelry box with large compartments

[Lavolta Press]

I'm still packing my stuff to move to Sacramento. I have a fair amount 
of steampunk and historic-inspired costume jewelry that's just big. 
Large necklaces. Chunky cuff bracelets. Tiaras. It's been lying around 
on top of things because I didn't have any jewelry box big enough for it 
all. I'd like a nice box, not the kind of plastic bin people use for 
sewing supplies. (Artbin, anyone?) Preferably wooden, but leather would do.


And I'm not finding one. I've always thought the Reed & Barton jewelry 
boxes (bought on Ebay) were the best quality for the money, but half 
their drawers have small, fixed compartments for things like little 
pendants, which this stuff won't fit into. I need a big box with big 
compartments and deep drawers. Any suggestions?



Fran

Lavolta Press

Books on making historic clothing

www.lavoltapress.com



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Re: [h-cost] 1930s Joan of Arc reenactment (color photos)

[Astrida Schaeffer]

I… I think I’m in love with the cloche hennins.

Astrida

> On Apr 21, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Lynn Downward  wrote:
> 
> Very cool, thanks for sharing. I'm going with awesome and not nitpick.
> LynnD
> 
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Elena House  wrote:
> 
>> http://mashable.com/2016/04/18/joan-of-arc-festival/
>> This is a collection of photos from the 1932 Joan of Arc festival
>> in Compiégne.  The garb is both very nitpickable, and very awesome.
>> 
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Re: [h-cost] 1930s Joan of Arc reenactment (color photos)

[Lynn Downward]

Very cool, thanks for sharing. I'm going with awesome and not nitpick.
LynnD

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Elena House  wrote:

> http://mashable.com/2016/04/18/joan-of-arc-festival/
> This is a collection of photos from the 1932 Joan of Arc festival
> in Compiégne.  The garb is both very nitpickable, and very awesome.
>
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[h-cost] 1930s Joan of Arc reenactment (color photos)

[Elena House]

http://mashable.com/2016/04/18/joan-of-arc-festival/
This is a collection of photos from the 1932 Joan of Arc festival
in Compiégne.  The garb is both very nitpickable, and very awesome.

-E House
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Re: [h-cost] RIP: Catherine Linda Walton

[Deb Salisbury, Mantua-Maker]

Hugs. Many hugs.

My sympathies to you and yours,
   Deb Salisbury
   The Mantua-Maker


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Linda Walton passed away on the 23rd March.  Her funeral is on the 14th
April.

The breast cancer, which she had about 30 years ago, came back and
spread.  By the time we realised there was nothing that could be done
but keep her comfortable.

She died at home, surrounded by her books, with me holding her hand.

I know that she really enjoyed being on this group.  Thank you and best
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Re: [h-cost] RIP: Catherine Linda Walton

[Cin]

Thank you for letting us know. Please accept my condolences. Im so glad you
were there for her.  Best regards,

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Kathryn Pinner <pinn...@mccc.edu> wrote:

> I am sorry to hear this. Thank you for letting us know. I know the group
> hasn't been as active lately, but I will miss her posts.
>
> Kate Pinner
>
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>
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>
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> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] on behalf
> of Catherine Walton [catherine.wal...@cherryfield.me.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 4:10 AM
> To: Historical Costume
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> Subject: [h-cost] RIP: Catherine Linda Walton
>
> This is to let you know that my wife and member of this group Catherine
> Linda Walton passed away on the 23rd March.  Her funeral is on the 14th
> April.
>
> The breast cancer, which she had about 30 years ago, came back and
> spread.  By the time we realised there was nothing that could be done
> but keep her comfortable.
>
> She died at home, surrounded by her books, with me holding her hand.
>
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Re: [h-cost] RIP: Catherine Linda Walton

[Kathryn Pinner]

I am sorry to hear this. Thank you for letting us know. I know the group hasn't 
been as active lately, but I will miss her posts.

Kate Pinner

Costume & Scenic Design

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Catherine Walton [catherine.wal...@cherryfield.me.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 4:10 AM
To: Historical Costume
Cc: chris.rowl...@cherryfield.me.uk
Subject: [h-cost] RIP: Catherine Linda Walton

This is to let you know that my wife and member of this group Catherine
Linda Walton passed away on the 23rd March.  Her funeral is on the 14th
April.

The breast cancer, which she had about 30 years ago, came back and
spread.  By the time we realised there was nothing that could be done
but keep her comfortable.

She died at home, surrounded by her books, with me holding her hand.

I know that she really enjoyed being on this group.  Thank you and best
wishes to all of you.

Regards,

Chris Rowland - Catherine's husband.
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Re: [h-cost] RIP: Catherine Linda Walton

[Ruth Anne Baumgartner]

So sorry to hear. Best wishes to you in your bereavement.
--R.A. Baumgartner

On Apr 13, 2016, at 4:10 AM, Catherine Walton wrote:

> This is to let you know that my wife and member of this group Catherine Linda 
> Walton passed away on the 23rd March.  Her funeral is on the 14th April.
> 
> The breast cancer, which she had about 30 years ago, came back and spread.  
> By the time we realised there was nothing that could be done but keep her 
> comfortable.
> 
> She died at home, surrounded by her books, with me holding her hand.
> 
> I know that she really enjoyed being on this group.  Thank you and best 
> wishes to all of you.
> 
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Re: [h-cost] RIP: Catherine Linda Walton

[Megan McHugh]

I am so sorry to hear this. My condolences to you and the family.
-Megan

> On Apr 13, 2016, at 4:10 AM, Catherine Walton 
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> 
> This is to let you know that my wife and member of this group Catherine Linda 
> Walton passed away on the 23rd March.  Her funeral is on the 14th April.
> 
> The breast cancer, which she had about 30 years ago, came back and spread.  
> By the time we realised there was nothing that could be done but keep her 
> comfortable.
> 
> She died at home, surrounded by her books, with me holding her hand.
> 
> I know that she really enjoyed being on this group.  Thank you and best 
> wishes to all of you.
> 
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[h-cost] RIP: Catherine Linda Walton

[Catherine Walton]

This is to let you know that my wife and member of this group Catherine 
Linda Walton passed away on the 23rd March.  Her funeral is on the 14th 
April.


The breast cancer, which she had about 30 years ago, came back and 
spread.  By the time we realised there was nothing that could be done 
but keep her comfortable.


She died at home, surrounded by her books, with me holding her hand.

I know that she really enjoyed being on this group.  Thank you and best 
wishes to all of you.


Regards,

Chris Rowland - Catherine's husband.
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Re: [h-cost] Craftsman decorating

[Brenda Bell]

From: Marjorie Wilser <the3t...@gmail.com>
To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 19:19:38 -0700
Reply-To: Historical Costume <h-costume@mail.indra.com>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Craftsman decorating

They also liked hammered copper— did you note 
the glasses underneath the ones linked?

==Marjorie Wilser


Completely off the "Craftsman" theme, but the 
water glasses in their "Gibraltar" pattern remind 
me of the glasses Yahrzeit candles used to come 
in. (For the non-Jews: these are sometimes called 
"memorial candles" and are used to honor our 
deceased first-degree relations on certain holy 
days and on the anniversary -- in Yiddish, 
"Yahrzeit" -- of their passing.) Pretty much 
every US Jewish home from the 1960s through the 
1980s (maybe even the 1990s -- I don't recall 
exactly when the switch was made to smaller 
containers) used these as water glasses 
(obviously *after* the candle had been burned and 
the candle-remains cleaned out). I may have seen 
something like the taller glass in that set 
somewhere like Jahn's (regional chain of ice 
cream parlors established in 1897 per 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahn%27s) or one of 
the luncheonettes we occasionally went to in the 1960s and 1970s.



> On 3/24/2016 4:56 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:
>> The arts and crafts movement shunned mass produced items. So, how about
>> something like this:
>> http://www.worldmarket.com/product/carats+barware.do?=fn




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Re: [h-cost] Craftsman decorating

[Marjorie Wilser]

They also liked hammered copper— did you note the glasses underneath the ones 
linked?

==Marjorie Wilser

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Lavolta Press  wrote:
> 
> The furniture mass-produced by Stickley and his imitators was extremely 
> popular, as were all those prefab bungalow houses from Sears, etc., and the 
> premade room dividers and other built-ins you could buy to put in them.
> 
> Thanks but I forgot to say, clear glasses.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Fran
> 
> On 3/24/2016 4:56 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:
>> The arts and crafts movement shunned mass produced items. So, how about
>> something like this:
>> http://www.worldmarket.com/product/carats+barware.do?=fn
>> 
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Re: [h-cost] Craftsman decorating

[Lavolta Press]

The furniture mass-produced by Stickley and his imitators was extremely 
popular, as were all those prefab bungalow houses from Sears, etc., and 
the premade room dividers and other built-ins you could buy to put in them.


Thanks but I forgot to say, clear glasses.

Best,

Fran

On 3/24/2016 4:56 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:

The arts and crafts movement shunned mass produced items. So, how about
something like this:
http://www.worldmarket.com/product/carats+barware.do?=fn



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Re: [h-cost] Craftsman decorating

[Sharon Collier]

The arts and crafts movement shunned mass produced items. So, how about
something like this:
http://www.worldmarket.com/product/carats+barware.do?=fn


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Behalf Of Lavolta Press
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:17 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] Craftsman decorating

Following on the lace curtain discussion, any suggestions for Craftsman/Arts
& Crafts glasses, for iced tea and lemonade? About 14 ounces?  My husband
and I are drinking lemonade every day now that we have a Meyer lemon tree,
which fruits pretty much continuously all year.  Meanwhile, we only had
four, nonmatching glasses from different sets of ours and our respective
parents', and one of those just broke.  
Does anyone know of any glasses that look Arts & Crafts?

Thanks for any help.

Fran
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[h-cost] Craftsman decorating

[Lavolta Press]

Following on the lace curtain discussion, any suggestions for 
Craftsman/Arts & Crafts glasses, for iced tea and lemonade? About 14 
ounces?  My husband and I are drinking lemonade every day now that we 
have a Meyer lemon tree, which fruits pretty much continuously all 
year.  Meanwhile, we only had four, nonmatching glasses from different 
sets of ours and our respective parents', and one of those just broke.  
Does anyone know of any glasses that look Arts & Crafts?


Thanks for any help.

Fran
Lavolta Press
Books on historic clothing
www.lavoltapress.com


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Re: [h-cost] Another historic-house lace curtain source

[Sharon Collier]

I  got an email from a place called "The Wooden Duck". They carry a line of
garden furnitureFermob---which is metal. Charming designs, but I don't
know the prices. The website is www.thewoodenduck.com

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Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 10:57 AM
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Subject: [h-cost] Another historic-house lace curtain source

http://www.cottagelace.com/

Fran
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[Lavolta Press]

http://www.cottagelace.com/

Fran
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[h-cost] Fabric check

[Marjorie Wilser]

Thanks to Fran’s post about the fabric seller I have one I want to check. Gut 
instinct says this might be perfect for a Regency over a color, but I would 
like opinions from kind friends. I’m usually doing 50-70 years later than 
Regency.

http://tinyurl.com/z5by7bw

==Marjorie 

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Re: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses

[Lavolta Press]

Thanks. It had better be. We've been working on it for almost 7 months 
already.


Fran

On 2/27/2016 11:46 AM, Sharon Collier wrote:

Your home is going to be lovely!
Sharon

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Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 11:35 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses

We saw the Hoot Judkins, but the quality is not as good as Barn Furniture
and Amish Direct. Both the latter places will cut deals. About 10-15% off
and free shipping is the range.

Fran

On 2/27/2016 11:09 AM, Sharon Collier wrote:

Good to know. I've seen Amish made furniture at the local Hoot
Judkins. It's lovely, but as you say, very pricey.  Good luck with the

hunt.

Sharon


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Re: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses

[Sharon Collier]

Your home is going to be lovely!
Sharon

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Behalf Of Lavolta Press
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 11:35 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses

We saw the Hoot Judkins, but the quality is not as good as Barn Furniture
and Amish Direct. Both the latter places will cut deals. About 10-15% off
and free shipping is the range.

Fran

On 2/27/2016 11:09 AM, Sharon Collier wrote:
> Good to know. I've seen Amish made furniture at the local Hoot 
> Judkins. It's lovely, but as you say, very pricey.  Good luck with the
hunt.
> Sharon
>

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Re: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses

[Lavolta Press]

We saw the Hoot Judkins, but the quality is not as good as Barn 
Furniture and Amish Direct. Both the latter places will cut deals. About 
10-15% off and free shipping is the range.


Fran

On 2/27/2016 11:09 AM, Sharon Collier wrote:

Good to know. I've seen Amish made furniture at the local Hoot Judkins. It's
lovely, but as you say, very pricey.  Good luck with the hunt.
Sharon



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Re: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses--a fabric

[Sharon Collier]

That is lovely stuff. And the price is great. If you have a shower, you
could use this as an outer curtain;whatever color the inner, waterproof one
was would show off the pattern nicely. Or, as you said, historic dresses.
(in my spare time).

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Behalf Of Lavolta Press
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses--a fabric

BTW, I wanted curtain fabric by the yard because this house has six basic
sizes of windows, plus a few outliers, and the architect had no problem with
putting two or three sizes, shapes, and placements of windows in one room. I
ended up buying lace drapes from all four of the historic lace drape sellers
I mentioned, plus a heap of unused Quaker lace drapes from eBay.  But, back
when I was searching for an all-natural fabric that would give me a uniform
look on the sheer drapes, I bought some of this from the Etsy seller
FabricTreasury:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/123909862/sheer-cotton-curtain-fabric-unbleache
d?ref=shop_home_feat_2

This is a very thin, good-quality, 100% cotton muslin suitable for a variety
of historic dresses. The seller has several other woven patterns of it and
as she points out, it can be dyed. I tested shrinkage and it shrinks a lot,
so thorough preshrinking is essential.  It's the kind of fabric you could
pull through a wedding ring and it will be a pain to sew.  I decided on hand
sewing as being overall less trouble than machine sewing over tissue paper.
Then decided not to use this fabric right now because I already have to sew
all the outer drapes; the seller took all their window coverings.  Maybe
I'll use it for sheer drape replacements. Anyway it's nice fabric at a good
price.

Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses

[Sharon Collier]

Good to know. I've seen Amish made furniture at the local Hoot Judkins. It's
lovely, but as you say, very pricey.  Good luck with the hunt. 
Sharon

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Behalf Of Lavolta Press
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 10:29 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses

We're not looking for used furniture (unless you know someone with some
great antiques).  We'll just get the patio furniture we want to begin with,
and buy it in Sacramento or by mail order and have it delivered. 
It's true Sacramento summers are so hot people seem to spend a lot of time
outdoors, but we won't move for weeks. We're still waiting for the Amish
indoor furniture we had made to be delivered. We ordered from two
distributors and they both take 12-14 weeks from the order date to deliver.
BTW, Amish-built furniture is the way to go if you want new Arts & Crafts
furniture. We bought a lot of great Arts & Crafts and Art Nouveau antique
furniture in the 1980s. But we needed more for a larger house, and
discovered that Arts & Crafts is out of style these days. 
Hardly any local antique stores have it.

These are the distributors we bought from:

http://www.barnfurnituremart.com/

http://amishdirectfurniture.com/

We haven't seen any of our furniture yet, but Barn Furniture Mart is in LA.
My husband flew down there to look at the display furniture in the store and
was very impressed with their quality. All the Amish outdoor furniture,
though, is rough, rustic picnic tables and that sort of thing.

Fran
Lavolta Press
www.lavoltapress.com











On 2/26/2016 9:44 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:
> Around here, we have an email group called Next Door. There may be one 
> in your area. Also, have you checked Craigslist?  If you want, I can 
> put out a request for aluminum patio furniture. (I'm in Redwood City, 
> have friends who live in Sacramento.) Also, IKEA has some metal 
> furniture that you might find acceptable. Table and 2 chairs for$99. A 
> stand-in, maybe until you find the stuff you really like.
> Sharon C.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] 
> On Behalf Of Lavolta Press
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 7:59 PM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses
>
> Looking for lace curtains for our Sacramento house (which we are 
> decorating in Arts & Crafts style) has been a pain in the tail because 
> lace curtains are very much out of style.  I was unable to find any 
> cotton lace drapery fabric with an overall, antique-looking pattern. 
> And very little lace fabric at all, just sheers with modern patterns that
scream synthetic.
>
> However, I've found a number of pricey but authentic-looking sources 
> for old-house curtains:
>
> * J. R. Burrows, as previously suggested on this list 
> http://www.burrows.com/lace.html
>
> * Olde Worlde Lace
> http://www.oldeworldelace.com/
>
> * London Lace
> http://www.londonlace.com/
>
> * Albert Rackstand Lace on Etsy
> https://www.etsy.com/shop/AlbertRackstandLace?section_id=16135864=
> shopse
> ction_leftnav_9
>
> In addition I recommend trolling eBay and Etsy for:
>
> * Quaker Lace curtains. A hugely popular 20th-century brand, so you 
> can still find 100% or at least 75% cotton lace curtains for sale in 
> their original packages.
>
> * Quaker Lace tablecloths. Denser laces but usable, and often 
> available for low prices.  Try and stay away from the thicker ones made in
the 1960s.
>
> * Knotted lace tablecloths.  Also known as darned net, lacis, and 
> sellers may even call it crochet or bobbin lace or still other terms.
> Whatever:  These are 100% natural fiber, sturdy, and very handsome. 
> They probably date from the 1940s, give or take some years. Patterns 
> can be either geometric or flowing.  I don't like the geometric ones 
> as much, but it's easier to find matching tablecloths in the geometric
patterns.
>
> The difficulty is finding two tablecloths with the same pattern and 
> especially, in *exactly the same shade of white or off-white*. But for 
> rooms with single windows, the tablecloth solution can be a handsome 
> and economical way to go.
>
> For non-lace fabric, I recommend Restoration Fabrics and Trims:
>
> *
> http://www.restorationfabricsandtrims.com/store.html#ecwid:category=19
> 4227
> ode=category=0=normal
>
> Also plain linens available from:
>
> * http://www.fabrics-store.com/ and also, various discount home-dec
stores.
> One of my projects is to stencil some linen drapes.
>
> And silks, from:
>
> * http://www.silkbaron.com
>
> * http://www.hyenaproductions.com/
>
> * And an eBay seller with three ID

Re: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses--a fabric

[Lavolta Press]

BTW, I wanted curtain fabric by the yard because this house has six 
basic sizes of windows, plus a few outliers, and the architect had no 
problem with putting two or three sizes, shapes, and placements of 
windows in one room. I ended up buying lace drapes from all four of the 
historic lace drape sellers I mentioned, plus a heap of unused Quaker 
lace drapes from eBay.  But, back when I was searching for an 
all-natural fabric that would give me a uniform look on the sheer 
drapes, I bought some of this from the Etsy seller FabricTreasury:


https://www.etsy.com/listing/123909862/sheer-cotton-curtain-fabric-unbleached?ref=shop_home_feat_2

This is a very thin, good-quality, 100% cotton muslin suitable for a 
variety of historic dresses. The seller has several other woven patterns 
of it and as she points out, it can be dyed. I tested shrinkage and it 
shrinks a lot, so thorough preshrinking is essential.  It's the kind of 
fabric you could pull through a wedding ring and it will be a pain to 
sew.  I decided on hand sewing as being overall less trouble than 
machine sewing over tissue paper. Then decided not to use this fabric 
right now because I already have to sew all the outer drapes; the seller 
took all their window coverings.  Maybe I'll use it for sheer drape 
replacements. Anyway it's nice fabric at a good price.


Fran
Lavolta Press
www.lavoltapress.com
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[Lavolta Press]

We're not looking for used furniture (unless you know someone with some 
great antiques).  We'll just get the patio furniture we want to begin 
with, and buy it in Sacramento or by mail order and have it delivered. 
It's true Sacramento summers are so hot people seem to spend a lot of 
time outdoors, but we won't move for weeks. We're still waiting for the 
Amish indoor furniture we had made to be delivered. We ordered from two 
distributors and they both take 12-14 weeks from the order date to 
deliver. BTW, Amish-built furniture is the way to go if you want new 
Arts & Crafts furniture. We bought a lot of great Arts & Crafts and Art 
Nouveau antique furniture in the 1980s. But we needed more for a larger 
house, and discovered that Arts & Crafts is out of style these days. 
Hardly any local antique stores have it.


These are the distributors we bought from:

http://www.barnfurnituremart.com/

http://amishdirectfurniture.com/

We haven't seen any of our furniture yet, but Barn Furniture Mart is in 
LA. My husband flew down there to look at the display furniture in the 
store and was very impressed with their quality. All the Amish outdoor 
furniture, though, is rough, rustic picnic tables and that sort of thing.


Fran
Lavolta Press
www.lavoltapress.com











On 2/26/2016 9:44 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:

Around here, we have an email group called Next Door. There may be one in
your area. Also, have you checked Craigslist?  If you want, I can put out a
request for aluminum patio furniture. (I'm in Redwood City, have friends who
live in Sacramento.) Also, IKEA has some metal furniture that you might
find acceptable. Table and 2 chairs for$99. A stand-in, maybe until you find
the stuff you really like.
Sharon C.

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Lavolta Press
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 7:59 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses

Looking for lace curtains for our Sacramento house (which we are decorating
in Arts & Crafts style) has been a pain in the tail because lace curtains
are very much out of style.  I was unable to find any cotton lace drapery
fabric with an overall, antique-looking pattern. And very little lace fabric
at all, just sheers with modern patterns that scream synthetic.

However, I've found a number of pricey but authentic-looking sources for
old-house curtains:

* J. R. Burrows, as previously suggested on this list
http://www.burrows.com/lace.html

* Olde Worlde Lace
http://www.oldeworldelace.com/

* London Lace
http://www.londonlace.com/

* Albert Rackstand Lace on Etsy
https://www.etsy.com/shop/AlbertRackstandLace?section_id=16135864=shopse
ction_leftnav_9

In addition I recommend trolling eBay and Etsy for:

* Quaker Lace curtains. A hugely popular 20th-century brand, so you can
still find 100% or at least 75% cotton lace curtains for sale in their
original packages.

* Quaker Lace tablecloths. Denser laces but usable, and often available for
low prices.  Try and stay away from the thicker ones made in the 1960s.

* Knotted lace tablecloths.  Also known as darned net, lacis, and sellers
may even call it crochet or bobbin lace or still other terms.
Whatever:  These are 100% natural fiber, sturdy, and very handsome. They
probably date from the 1940s, give or take some years. Patterns can be
either geometric or flowing.  I don't like the geometric ones as much, but
it's easier to find matching tablecloths in the geometric patterns.

The difficulty is finding two tablecloths with the same pattern and
especially, in *exactly the same shade of white or off-white*. But for rooms
with single windows, the tablecloth solution can be a handsome and
economical way to go.

For non-lace fabric, I recommend Restoration Fabrics and Trims:

*
http://www.restorationfabricsandtrims.com/store.html#ecwid:category=194227
ode=category=0=normal

Also plain linens available from:

* http://www.fabrics-store.com/ and also, various discount home-dec stores.
One of my projects is to stencil some linen drapes.

And silks, from:

* http://www.silkbaron.com

* http://www.hyenaproductions.com/

* And an eBay seller with three IDs:  brocadeandmore, exclusive_silks, and
pure_silks.

And, um, I'm using some tone-on-tone Renaissance brocade from my fabric
stash.  Look, the Victorians would have done it!

Now I'm beating my brains out over finding the patio furniture.
Specifically a dining set with a round table, and garden benches. There is a
brand called Oakland Living that has great-looking, other-metal-colored
aluminum pieces that imitate wrought iron.
Unfortunately, they have terrible reviews for quality. I'm not a fan of teak
(or any other wood) for outdoors. When new it looks gorgeous, but it
involves too much upkeep if you want it to stay gorgeous. Wrought iron
rusts, and plastic/resin wicker might work but might blow over.
Aluminum seems like a good idea but all I see is rel

Re: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses

[Sharon Collier]

Around here, we have an email group called Next Door. There may be one in
your area. Also, have you checked Craigslist?  If you want, I can put out a
request for aluminum patio furniture. (I'm in Redwood City, have friends who
live in Sacramento.) Also, IKEA has some metal furniture that you might
find acceptable. Table and 2 chairs for$99. A stand-in, maybe until you find
the stuff you really like.
Sharon C. 

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Lavolta Press
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 7:59 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] Curtains for old houses

Looking for lace curtains for our Sacramento house (which we are decorating
in Arts & Crafts style) has been a pain in the tail because lace curtains
are very much out of style.  I was unable to find any cotton lace drapery
fabric with an overall, antique-looking pattern. And very little lace fabric
at all, just sheers with modern patterns that scream synthetic.

However, I've found a number of pricey but authentic-looking sources for
old-house curtains:

* J. R. Burrows, as previously suggested on this list
http://www.burrows.com/lace.html

* Olde Worlde Lace
http://www.oldeworldelace.com/

* London Lace
http://www.londonlace.com/

* Albert Rackstand Lace on Etsy
https://www.etsy.com/shop/AlbertRackstandLace?section_id=16135864=shopse
ction_leftnav_9

In addition I recommend trolling eBay and Etsy for:

* Quaker Lace curtains. A hugely popular 20th-century brand, so you can
still find 100% or at least 75% cotton lace curtains for sale in their
original packages.

* Quaker Lace tablecloths. Denser laces but usable, and often available for
low prices.  Try and stay away from the thicker ones made in the 1960s.

* Knotted lace tablecloths.  Also known as darned net, lacis, and sellers
may even call it crochet or bobbin lace or still other terms. 
Whatever:  These are 100% natural fiber, sturdy, and very handsome. They
probably date from the 1940s, give or take some years. Patterns can be
either geometric or flowing.  I don't like the geometric ones as much, but
it's easier to find matching tablecloths in the geometric patterns.

The difficulty is finding two tablecloths with the same pattern and
especially, in *exactly the same shade of white or off-white*. But for rooms
with single windows, the tablecloth solution can be a handsome and
economical way to go.

For non-lace fabric, I recommend Restoration Fabrics and Trims:

*
http://www.restorationfabricsandtrims.com/store.html#ecwid:category=194227
ode=category=0=normal

Also plain linens available from:

* http://www.fabrics-store.com/ and also, various discount home-dec stores.
One of my projects is to stencil some linen drapes.

And silks, from:

* http://www.silkbaron.com

* http://www.hyenaproductions.com/

* And an eBay seller with three IDs:  brocadeandmore, exclusive_silks, and
pure_silks.

And, um, I'm using some tone-on-tone Renaissance brocade from my fabric
stash.  Look, the Victorians would have done it!

Now I'm beating my brains out over finding the patio furniture. 
Specifically a dining set with a round table, and garden benches. There is a
brand called Oakland Living that has great-looking, other-metal-colored
aluminum pieces that imitate wrought iron. 
Unfortunately, they have terrible reviews for quality. I'm not a fan of teak
(or any other wood) for outdoors. When new it looks gorgeous, but it
involves too much upkeep if you want it to stay gorgeous. Wrought iron
rusts, and plastic/resin wicker might work but might blow over. 
Aluminum seems like a good idea but all I see is relentlessly modern in
style. I'm also not a fan of super-deep or super-low seats in any material.

Any suggestions?

Fran
Lavolta Press
Books on historic clothing
www.lavoltapress.com
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[h-cost] Curtains for old houses

[Lavolta Press]

Looking for lace curtains for our Sacramento house (which we are 
decorating in Arts & Crafts style) has been a pain in the tail because 
lace curtains are very much out of style.  I was unable to find any 
cotton lace drapery fabric with an overall, antique-looking pattern. And 
very little lace fabric at all, just sheers with modern patterns that 
scream synthetic.


However, I've found a number of pricey but authentic-looking sources for 
old-house curtains:


* J. R. Burrows, as previously suggested on this list
http://www.burrows.com/lace.html

* Olde Worlde Lace
http://www.oldeworldelace.com/

* London Lace
http://www.londonlace.com/

* Albert Rackstand Lace on Etsy
https://www.etsy.com/shop/AlbertRackstandLace?section_id=16135864=shopsection_leftnav_9

In addition I recommend trolling eBay and Etsy for:

* Quaker Lace curtains. A hugely popular 20th-century brand, so you can 
still find 100% or at least 75% cotton lace curtains for sale in their 
original packages.


* Quaker Lace tablecloths. Denser laces but usable, and often available 
for low prices.  Try and stay away from the thicker ones made in the 1960s.


* Knotted lace tablecloths.  Also known as darned net, lacis, and 
sellers may even call it crochet or bobbin lace or still other terms. 
Whatever:  These are 100% natural fiber, sturdy, and very handsome. They 
probably date from the 1940s, give or take some years. Patterns can be 
either geometric or flowing.  I don't like the geometric ones as much, 
but it's easier to find matching tablecloths in the geometric patterns.


The difficulty is finding two tablecloths with the same pattern and 
especially, in *exactly the same shade of white or off-white*. But for 
rooms with single windows, the tablecloth solution can be a handsome and 
economical way to go.


For non-lace fabric, I recommend Restoration Fabrics and Trims:

* 
http://www.restorationfabricsandtrims.com/store.html#ecwid:category=194227=category=0=normal


Also plain linens available from:

* http://www.fabrics-store.com/ and also, various discount home-dec 
stores. One of my projects is to stencil some linen drapes.


And silks, from:

* http://www.silkbaron.com

* http://www.hyenaproductions.com/

* And an eBay seller with three IDs:  brocadeandmore, exclusive_silks, 
and pure_silks.


And, um, I'm using some tone-on-tone Renaissance brocade from my fabric 
stash.  Look, the Victorians would have done it!


Now I'm beating my brains out over finding the patio furniture. 
Specifically a dining set with a round table, and garden benches. There 
is a brand called Oakland Living that has great-looking, 
other-metal-colored aluminum pieces that imitate wrought iron. 
Unfortunately, they have terrible reviews for quality. I'm not a fan of 
teak (or any other wood) for outdoors. When new it looks gorgeous, but 
it involves too much upkeep if you want it to stay gorgeous. Wrought 
iron rusts, and plastic/resin wicker might work but might blow over. 
Aluminum seems like a good idea but all I see is relentlessly modern in 
style. I'm also not a fan of super-deep or super-low seats in any material.


Any suggestions?

Fran
Lavolta Press
Books on historic clothing
www.lavoltapress.com
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[h-cost] dating a smoking woman

[snspies]

I have a doodle/marginalia of a woman smoking a small black pipe which is in a 
French manuscript dated 1318.  Since smoking did not occur in Europe until the 
16th century, I am assuming that this doodle is a later addition.


However, she is wearing distinctive head wear, and I am wondering if she can be 
more closely dated based on this item of clothing.  


If anyone would be willing to take a look, I would be happy to send the picture 
as a jpg.  


Thank you.


Nancy Spies
+ + + + + 

Arelate Studio
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Re: [h-cost] dating a smoking woman

[Patricia Dunham]

yes, please…  I am currently reading an alternative history set where-in folks 
unable to access regular smoking-tobacco make do with all kinds of 
substitutions (usually awful), so unless there's a cured tobacco  leaf as we 
know it also in that babewyn, I'd wonder if what she were smoking might not 
have been some  other herbal material.

chimene

On Feb 13, 2016, at 10:28 AM, snsp...@aol.com wrote:

> I have a doodle/marginalia of a woman smoking a small black pipe which is in 
> a French manuscript dated 1318.  Since smoking did not occur in Europe until 
> the 16th century, I am assuming that this doodle is a later addition.
> 
> 
> However, she is wearing distinctive head wear, and I am wondering if she can 
> be more closely dated based on this item of clothing.  
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Re: [h-cost] Patterns available at LACMA

[michaela de bruce]

http://artflsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.25:24.encyclopedie0513
Just found this in a hunt for other images. It certainly contains more
information than I have seen from published snippets.
Diderot, I think the entire encyclopedia in fact, but the tailor stuff is
all here, including cloth layouts.

On 9 February 2016 at 12:11, michaela de bruce 
wrote:

> There are heaps of patterns and guides already, it's just many books are
> now OOP. Waugh did her (nicely sized) book some time ago, and same with the
> Danish National Museum (some of which are online as pdfs- and there are a
> range of garments tidenstoj*- but I understand the books are really huge-
> or maybe I'm thinking of a Swedish series of books? I know there are many
> European books not in English anyway) and Blanche Payne. The Tailor's
> manuals all focus on men's gear and women usually are listed after the
> clergy and horses. Even two of Arnold's books has men's garments (and there
> are more male garments than female in the 3rd book.
>
> Anyway, women's extant garments tend to be a lot bigger, so when you are
> talking a rigid torso and pleated and draped skirts that's incredibly
> difficult to carefully explore without damage. And so much damage happened
> to women's dress especially in the 19thC that they often need more
> restoration. That is if they survive. During periods of heavy fabrics and
> patterns skirts became very handy to recyle in to church vestments or to
> redress effigy/figures. The garments LACMA started with are ideal as they
> can be carefully laid quite flat- and they can also confirm the shapes seen
> in the tailor manuals at the time.
>
> so for those who want more patterns:
>
>
> https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Minister+and+co%2C++ltd%22
> 3X copies of "Gazette of fashion, and cutting-room companion" 1860s
>
>
> https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22edward+minister+and+son%22
> 4x copies of Gazette of fashion. 1870s-1881
>
> All seven books focus on mens' garments.
>
>
> http://costumes.org/wiki/index.php/History100pages1893to1898cuttersguide
> or http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Cutters_Practical_Guide
>
> Part 1, 1898 edition, The Cutter's Practical Guide to Cutting Every Kind
> of Garment Made, in a series of parts, Part One. Young Men's, Youths' and
> Juvenile Garments, Embracing also Treatise on Trousers, Vests, Military
> Garments, Liveries, etc., etc., etc.
> Part 2, 1893 edition, The Cutter's Practical Guide to Cutting every type
> of Garment made by Tailors, With detailed instructions as to their
> production, Part II, Body Coats of every description, embracing Morning,
> Frock and Dress Coats, Livery, Clerical, Naval, Military, Police and other
> Special Garments
> The Cutter's Practical Guide to the Cutting & Making all Kinds of
> Trousers, Breeches, & Knickers, to which is added chapters dealing with the
> cutting & making of Highland kilts, leggings, gaiters, etc. in Gallery
> View, [Scans by Pat Lamprey of the Lakewood Library]
> Part 4. date unknown, Livery Garments in all their varieties, including
> coats, vests, trousers, breeches and gaiters as worn by livery servants
> [Scans by Pat Lamprey of the Lakewood Library]
> Part 9,1898 edition, The Cutter's Practical Guide to Jacket Cutting and
> Making, Embracing Lounges, Reefers & Patrol Jackets, in all their
> Varieties, Also Including the Cutting and Making of Robes and Gowns, Being
> Part IX of The Cutter's Practical Guide to the Cutting and Making of all
> Kinds of Garments
> Part 10: (edition date unknown)
> The Cutter's Practical Guide to Cutting & Making all kinds of Waistcoats
> for Gentlemen, Ladies, Military & Naval Officers, Livery Servants, etc.,
> etc. in Gallery View, [Scans by Pat Lamprey of the Lakewood Library]
> Part 11 . date unknown, Shirts, Undergarments, Collars, Cuffs, Aprons, and
> Specialty Clothing for Various Occupations [Scans by Pat Lamprey of the
> Lakewood Library]
> Part 12 (Date Unknown) The Cutter's Practical Guide to Cutting & Making
> all kinds of Clerical Dress [Scans by Pat Lamprey of the Lakewood Library,
> includes also British Legal and Academic robes]
> Part 13 (Date Unknown) The Cutter's Practical Guide to Cutting & Making
> all kinds of British Military Uniforms [Scans by Pat Lamprey of the
> Lakewood Library, includes also British Legal and Academic robes]
>
> https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=UulhcAAJ
> L'Art du tailleur. The Tailor's Guide; a complete system of cutting every
> kind of garment to measure, etc. 2 vol
> Charles Compaing, Louis Devere
> Simpkin, Marshall, 1855 - 128 pages
>
> https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=TSNhcAAJ
> The Art of Cutting Breeches ... Fourth Edition
> Front Cover
> George WALKER (Tailor.)
>
> There is a huge resource out there, it's just that those of us going out
> and looking are probably looking for our areas of focus. So I've had most
> of these links for ages but I don't use 

Re: [h-cost] Patterns available at LACMA

[michaeljdeib...@gmail.com]

I believe those same patterns have been up for a good couple of years. But yes, 
quite nice to have more men's patterns!

Michael Deibert, NRP
OAS AAS LLS
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 1, 2016, at 20:25, Marjorie Wilser  wrote:
> 
> Nice that they are doing the men, who are so often neglected when patterns 
> are being sold.
> 
> ==Marjorie 
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Christine Robb  wrote 
>> (in part):
>> 
>> So far they're showing 4:
>> 
>> Man's At-home Robe (Banyan), China, 1700–50,  Robe: the Netherlands, 1750–60
>> 
>> Man's Waistcoat, China for the Western market, c. 1740
>> 
>> Man's Waistcoat, France, c. 1750
>> 
>> Man's Coat, France, 1790–95
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyone know if this is a new thing or has been up for a while, and
>> whether more patterns are going to become available?
> 
> 
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