We're planning to ship a mandatory TF2 server/client update later today.
We'll have the list of changes for you when the update is ready.
There are a few items (below) we're working on that won't be ready for
the release today. We're aware of these issues and are working to have
them fixed for
This sounds great --
Just to clarify, are you putting in additional filters against these
workaround servers or do people who abuse the system face
blacklisting?
I'm all for temporary delists to force people to play within the
rules, but if you permanently start killing IPs expect to get some
We'll be delisting servers with custom rule sets that
deliberately work around the system
What does that mean?
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From: Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:58 PM
Subject: [hlds] TF2 update
Hi Eric,
Has it been considered that the Custom tab simply filters the Internet tab?
And let the Internet tab keep all servers (ie, servers always appear in the
Internet tab).
Otherwise now people need to look in two places to find a group of servers
they may play on.
Regards,
Andrew
I think it means that they'll be delisting servers with custom rules
sets that deliberately work around the system.
But that's just a guess on my part.
On Mar 6, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Munra wrote:
We'll be delisting servers with custom rule sets that
deliberately work around the system
What
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Likely it means the 25+ slot servers on the internet tab will be blacklisted
if they don't conform to using the custom tab.
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Munra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We'll be delisting servers with custom rule sets that
oh boy...
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From: Cc2iscooL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 update coming later today
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Likely it means the 25+ slot servers on the
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From: Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We'll be doing some work to educate players on the new Custom servers
tab, using both PR and user interface changes. Now that the
Internet/Custom servers system is in place, we'd like server admin to
work within it. We'll be
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It means some server admins need to bend over
On 3/6/08, Munra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We'll be delisting servers with custom rule sets that
deliberately work around the system
What does that mean?
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From:
I think we have to see the new UI changes first.
If they do not solve the issues, I think a very large protest is in order
along with graphs showing what happens to servers that get put on the custom
tab.
To valve:
Without people running servers, you have no game.
Also, I'd like to see a
Don't know why you have alltalk on, but if you turn it off you server is in
the normal list again and your server is again full for the whole day. I
had the same problem. I was in the custom list. But after a Sunday of trail
and error, my server was back in the normal list. The next day and
Yeah.
I think the server tags thing can be made much nicer if the 'server tags'
box was simply moved to the Internet tab, just allowing it as an extra
filter.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Hartland
Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 9:55
--Wow, This is going to create a storm!!
Just today I found a nifty little program to put our 3 Previously VERY
ACTIVE 24 slot servers back into the internet tab. Yep, I am getting
tagged as a custom because of alltalk.. LOL .. Alltalk..
But every since the update, the servers are vertual
I agree with this. There is already a filtering mechanism on the Internet
tab. Why not just keep one tab and add the tags thing to the existing
filters? This is how I imagined the tags would be implemented when it was
first introduced and still makes the most sense to me.
-Original
Its like server Apartheid. Why is it so hard to put everyone in one list
and let the player decide? This is ridiculous.
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From: Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2
Everything needs to be moved to one tab with it defaulting to showing
everything.
Then let the player decide to filter out servers all on his own.
This works both ways, the player that actively looks for a vanilla server,
will find one easy.
The player that just wants to find any server to play
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Yes, having SourceTV on your xserver adds an extra slot. That DOES add it to
the custom server.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 update coming later today
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:01:06 -0500
I agree with this completely. Gamers are creatures of habit, and no amount
of PR is going to change that.
Please take our concerns seriously. It is ok to second guess an idea that
you have come up with.
We won't think any less of you for listening to the general public. ButI
do think we will
A required update for Team Fortress 2 and it's dedicated server have
been updated. Please run hldsupdatetool to receive these updates. The
specific changes include:
- Removed sv_alltalk from the list of convars that affect custom server
tags
- Fixed Demoman grenades not hurting the shooter if
Hahahahahahhaha
So is there a South Africa equivalent to Goodwin's Law? If so we just hit
it.
hahah server Apartheid that's awesome.
Its like server Apartheid. Why is it so hard to put everyone in one list
and let the player decide? This is ridiculous.
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From:
Can valve please explain this:
hostname: Team Fortress
version : 1.0.2.1/14 3407 secure
udp/ip : 192.168.1.100:27025
map : hunted at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z
players : 0 (16 max)
# userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state adr
sv_tags
sv_tags = increased_maxplayers ( def. )
Notify
Thanks.
Yes,
If you have something uncapping the 24 player limit (e.g. PLR), this will
happen.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru'
MacDonald
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:52 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds]
Lovely.
Thanks.
- voogru.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:11 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server updated
Yes,
If you have something
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Holy 32 player servers batman. They have a lot of
servers to banvon the internet tab. If they don't do
that soon i'm join to join the others on the internet tab
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds]
Another issue is what about the out of game STEAM server list?
Do all servers show up under internet or only the politically correct ones?
Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru'
MacDonald
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008
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This so-called PR and education effort is a barely noticeable url on the custom
tab page. Therefore, a user is not get pr'ed or educated if they don't even
click on the custom tab in the first place and from experience, they don't. The
custom tab
I think it would be better to protest the two lists and have everyone add
protest to their sv_tags.
Use valves own system against them when they start getting spam from all of
the newbies complaining that they only see a few servers.
If every server implements their own tags, all of the players
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Sorry about my grammar in my last email
I try to edit the text for the list. I just want
to know when they will start to ban all the 32 player
servers that are still in the internet tab. I am abiding
by Valves request for 32 player servers to
I recently got regulars from my server adding me to friends and asking me
why I have shut down the server, when it will be back up and if it will be
back up.
My thoughts exactly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 1nsane .
Sent: Thursday,
Sounds like a plan to me.
Other option of course is what we had to do to get anticheat in CoD2 a
few years ago; turn our servers off for 24 hours.
These changes are screwing everyone, Forcing us to use totally stock
settings (which aren't quite right, IMO) or have our servers put where
no-one
Remove the custom tab, add the server-tags and the filter-options into the
internet tab and everything would be fine ... people are intelligent enough
to check this server has no tags, it must be a standard one
the current system is absolutely useless!
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From: [EMAIL
Personally, I'm getting a bit pissed off with it, as much as I like
TF2, I'm about ready to kill my servers and give the resources to CoD4
- A groundbreaking game with a 5 year old server browser that does
everything valve are trying to, and lets me set the game up how I like.
Do you mean
I wonder if long titles work.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:53 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server updated
Remove the custom tab, add the
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