Bill,
I'm sorry that I missed this announcement, too. Paul and I corresponded
sporadically over the years and I knew that he was aging and in less than
perfect health. Still, it comes as sad news. Dan Canarutto says it was
announced on the list, but I wonder if he read it on another horn list.
Anyone on the list know what make and model Dale's current orchestral
instrument is? All of his section appear to be playing the standard Steve
Lewis horn, but his has some interesting looking straight slides and extra
tubing on it. Even with binoculars, I wasn't able to get a good enough look
to
Hans,
Arthur Berv is definitely the first player. Clearly, the second is one of
his brothers, Jack or Harry, most likely Harry, though I don't have the
documentation of who played what part in front of me at the moment. The
video I just pulled up on Youtube actually had the date of December 1948,
Oh God, I've done it again. I know it was 1955, not 95. I should have
copy/pasted the info from WorldCat (or done some proofreading).
I also need to send out props to Steve O. for reminding me of his John
Barrows CD, which I have in my collection and totally blanked out on (yet
another senior
I checked OCLC WorldCat and the Ornette Coleman Forms and sounds album
was on RCA Victor LSC/LM 2982 and later reissued on CD as Bluebird 6561.
The Schoenberg is available through Naxos Classical Library by subscription
(or through an institution that subscribes) and was on Columbia ML 5217
(Bill
I must have had Josef Bayer on the brain for some reason.
In a former job, Bayer's ballet, which translates as something like Puppet
Fairy, was the source of much amusement for no better reason than we just
liked the way it sounded when we said it. Apparently it takes more than a
couple of
Eric James didn't give any citation, so I don't know if he used the same
source, but I see that there is an on-line, searchable version of the
(Friedrich) Hofmeister Monatsberichte for the years 1829-1900. If you look
at:
http://www.hofmeister.rhul.ac.uk/2007/content/monatshefte/1850_11.html
I also felt a great loss when I received the news of Art's death a few days
ago. He was my first real horn teacher and I studied with him from 6th
grade through most of high school, first in the basement of his house in
Massapequa (67 Bell Place; I can still remember it even without digging out
my
Has anyone on this list recently gotten a message from Donato Inglese? I
just received something from that name using gmail and it is close to a
random sequence of words, but seems to be responding to some of the
comments I made on this list about his youtube performances afew weeks
back. I can
AHA!
Well, if Carmine Caruso can be assumed to be who you refer to as
Carouseau (and not some mutant midget merry-go-round g/;), that might
be one of the first areas I would look into adjusting when you resume
practice after a layoff or cutting back on practicing. What I am trying to
say is that
Hans,
Is this the same arrangement that was also once published by Lorenzo
Sansone? I have a copy of that one and I do remember that is was more
effective than you might expect (and it keeps the horn plenty busy). I
don't recall that the arranger's name was on the music, but I will look at
my
Recently, the process of trying to dub a recording of the Britten Serenade
caused me to listen to several of the movements repeatedly and I was struck
that I have never fully registered what the words in the tenor's lyrics
were nor had I completely understood the meaning of some of the more
I searched this out from Oxford Music on-line (and I believe it brief
enough to quote without fear):
A resourceful musician of modest talent, Johann Jakob learnt to play
several instruments, including the flute, horn, violin and double bass, and
in 1826 moved to the free Hanseatic port of
Leonard,
There is also a cylinder recording of this piece. I have done some research
on it and wrote the following about it as part of the project: Die Post or
The Post in the Forest. This is unquestionably the oldest item with
significant horn content that I have ever run across. It was recorded
Well, playing the devil's advocate for a bit, I have to say that I got a
good laugh (actually, copious chuckles, one guffaw, generous groans, a
gaggle of gasps of stunned shock, plus a few dohs of disbelief) when I
stumbled on Donato's videos a month or two ago. I find that there is room
in my
I'm now looking at a couple of booklet/handbooks (way too hefty to be
simply called programs) from the Bayreuth Festival seasons of 1930 and
1931. Each has a quadruple fold-out list of the cast and orchestra
(conductors - Furtwaengler, Muck, Toscanini, Elmendorff, S. Wagner). With 2
complete
We are talking a satyr-like creature and not Bambi here (Cabbage, can you
help me out on this).
No disrespect intended, but this sort of thing (like saxaphone or Phil
Farcus) tends to spread on the list if unchecked.
And now, back to your regularly scheduled horn related matters.
Peter Hirsch
Jaakko,
In addition, another note from the score:
Conceived more as large chamber music than for orchestra--Pref.
This somewhat begs the original question. I will try to look at the score
tomorrow and give an opinion on how suitable it would be to treat it as a
chamber piece and solistic the
I just stumbled on this using the Facesaerch http://www.facesaerch.com/
engine. This image search engine filters so that only portrait-type images
come up in the results. Whenever I am testing out a new search tool, I need
some terms to search for and, for some reason, Dennis Brain seems to be
Glad to say, I was on vacation for nearly a month and did not go near a
computer or other email-equipped device during that span, so I did not have
to experience this discussion in real time. I did, however read the article
on the day it was published (believe it or not, you can get the NY Times
To assist with on-line searching, try the correct spelling Hoddinott. Not
sure if Hoddinut will dredge up anything, though Mr. Dalley has kindly
given you most everything you need for locating and purchasing purposes. Of
course if you are looking for a library copy to borrow, the proper spelling
Hans,
I see that Grove puts Ignaz in brackets after Joseph, but I guess that I
spent too much time in my youth (and not so youth) reading Krazy Kat (or
having it read to me by my dad), George Herrimann's masterwork. You may not
get the reference, but middle-aged Americans on the list ought to.
Having spent a couple of weeks in Rexburg in 1983 (or 84 - my reasons for
being there totally and utterly NHR) I am surprised to be reminded of my
little sojourn by recent postings. One question: the main focus of
Rexburg's existence seemed to be the local institution, Ricks College. Does
anyone
FYI - For anyone going to the trouble of ordering, I believe that there are
actually 2 volumes of Thevet material available from Arpeges. I can check
on this later and will supply information then. For anyone who has not
heard the recording of the Bach fugue arrangement for quartet (I believe
that
Though I think something might have been missing from Lawrences' or Hans'
post, seeing Devemy drawn into the discussion reminded me of his recording
of the Brahms Trio. I will attempt to make a fair-use sized clip available
in the near future (if I can locate the damned 10-inch disc somewhere on
I saw that today's NY Times has a small paid obituary for Dinny who died
last Friday posted by the Philharmonic.
I did not know him personally, but it seemed that everyone that I knew when
I was in school, that went to Juilliard, studied with him. He had many fine
students; it would be pointless
I think this may work (or you can just Google horn deintinis and the link
should appear)
http://www.legacy.com/nytimes/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStoryPersonID=107654016
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Robson,
Though it is primarily an historical study and not a guide to playing,
William Melton's series of articles in the Horn Call (published in various
issues ca. 2002 - 2004) are must reading for getting the facts on the
Wagner tuba. I am surprised that Bill hasn't chimed in on this thread. I
Any elk hunters out there?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/us/27elk.html?_r=1scp=1sq=elkst=nytoref=slogin
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This whole thread is amusing in what it reveals of the poster's attitudes
and I won't attempt to compound or rebut any specific post other than to
echo Debbie by saying we've all been there, done that on some level when
things just did not come together the way they were supposed to for
whatever
Jeremy,
For the record, neither concert transmission was live. I think the actual
performance was streamed on the net at 4AM EST yesterday. Now, I'm sure you
are right about the logistics of plugging in a few notes without the
benefit of a second take or performance, but at least there was
Larry Jellison states:
I quit playing Kopprasch several years ago because I
thought the sounds coming out of my horn were
annoying, too. Never thought of blaming the bumpers.
More somberly, has there ever been a discussion on
this list of bumpers? Bumpers need to allow quiet
valve action, not
For what it is worth, in my school days of yore, I played the Brahms trio
with a violinist who held the fiddle backwards, with his hands reversed,
fingering with his right hand. He is still quite active on the free-lance
scene in the city here and it seems not to have too seriously hampered his
Hans P. schreibt:
If it is Wagner, R.Strauss (be careful, still protected !)
or Mahler, - keep things going. But I still wait for
Isoldes Liebestod played by a 120 head wind orchestra
... Rolling on the floor. Holy Friday from Parsifal,
Ride of the Valkyries, Flying Dutchman Ouverture -
As does every few months or so, the topic of Julius Watkins has surfaced on
the list. Someone (actually my junior HS band teacher from back in 1962)
recently brought the dissertation JULIUS WATKINS AND THE EVOLUTION OF THE
JAZZ FRENCH HORN GENRE http://etd.fcla.edu/UF/UFE0012940/smith_p.pdf to
my
Tom,
Buy it. Not a rarity and not the most interesting example of Julius
Watkin's ability in the stratospheric range as a jazz player, but
unquestionably a must have. Don't pay more than around $20, though. There
are plenty of copies around and I purchased one not too long ago for around
$15.
Anyone on the list have memories or other knowledge of who was leading the
horn section in 1940 (specifically, November 4) for the Dimitri Mitropoulos
Mahler 1st recording? Weldon Wilber is the only name that I can associate
with that orchestra from way-back (and I my have my Midwestern cities
Ellen,
For what it's worth, the manuscript of the concerto (with band, as it was
written) is at the Vandercook College of Music in Chicago:
http://www.vandercook.edu/archives/collections/h_m.htm
If all else fails, you could try contacting them. Biographical info is at:
Aleks,
As I mentioned, previously, the recording session for Pictures took place
on October 14, 1958.
The NY Phil played the following program at Carnegie Hall on October 9, 10,
11 12:
Leonard Bernstein conducting
Gilbert: Comedy Overture on Negro Themes
MacDowell: Indian Suite no. 2 in e
Pete,
I personally have no memory of this and I would think that an exhaustive
Chambers discography including all orchestral (NY and Philly) recordings
(in addition to his recital LP and some NY Phil brass quintet ones that I
am aware of, not to mention the various free-lance work he did) would
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
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I want to publicly thank those, including John Dutton, for pointing me in
the direction of Doug's article. It is long (though its length is
appropriate to its scope), thoughtful and I find that I don't feel
completely in sync with all that he brings into the discussion (religion,
in particular).
Some of the loudest playing that I ever heard, in Avery Fisher Hall - home
of the NY Phil, mind you, was the Kirov Orchestra under Gergiev, The same
forces also upped the wattage at the Met when they did the Ring last summer
(and I have heard many performances of these operas there under the
To clarify the exchange a bit, I was able to contact Eric Borninkhof, the
proprietor of Rimskys-Horns, through the contact form on the site and he
has agreed to sell me a copy, payable by PayPal. If you want to write to
him directly about this CD, you can do it at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
He may have
Bill,
This information is incredibly helpful. After my posting, I spent (way too
much) time looking for a location that offered the CD or any information
about it and came up with zilch. Berliner Philharmoniker, Gebr. Alexander
and all of my usual horn/import CD sources (Ulrich Koebl, TAP,
http://www.nysun.com/article/62262
You'll have to search the CD out yourself. It is produced by Gebr.
Alexander (you've heard of them?) and I can't recall how I obtained my
copy. You can try (http://www.gebr-alexander.com doesn't seem to
acknowledge its existence) Paxman, jpc.de, TAP Music,
Upon receiving the digest today, I read the following paragraph that I sent
to the list last night:
First, I must wholeheartedly second Ellen and raise her a Franklin. Dan
has let me know, off-list, the error of my ways many times, sparing me
the embarrassment of further revealing my ignorance of
I may not have made myself clear.
I can verify that I certainly am a crabby old guy who has been known to
bitch and moan about the level of discourse on this list over the years,
but that was not what I was doing (at least it was not my primary aim) in
my post. It seemed to me that I had been
Is it just me or are the list digests just repeating themselves?
Literally.
I was away for a month and am now going through about 28 digests and most
of them are the same lists of movie soundtracks with awesome horn parts
(it might be harder to list the movie scores with lousy horn parts, in my
Sorry to bother the list at large, but my mail system has started archiving
all saved messages over a year old, thus making them functionally
inaccessible most of the time, so I can't just dig the one I need out of
the pile when I need an old address.
Anyhow, if Jimmy Ray is on the list or anyone
I just received a request from my friend and list-member Eva Heater, who is
unable to post directly to the list for some unknown technical reasons,
that I convey this addition:
the 'Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano', an
autobiography of a former slave and horn player. The
David, Carlberg and list,
David, thanks for remembering this more clearly than I was able to. And
also, thanks to Carlberg who sent me the text the first time around a
number of years ago.
An equal music by Vikram Seth has been recommended to me by a former
colleague at the music library that
I have read the Schisgal and it is amusing, with actual horn-related
content. You can get it pretty easily second hand. I also have a
post-apocalyptic sci-fi novel called Davy by Edgar Pangborn whose
protagonist totes around a horn as a sort of symbol of authority (I can't
recall if he actually
I just have been listening to a recording of 19th century German cello
concerti (Gernsheim, Volkmann, Dietrich and Schumann) and read in the notes
that Dietrich composed a horn concerto. I checked Grove and see that he has
an opus 27 Concertpiece (Konzertstueck) for horn and an opus 29 Horn
My guess is that Hans is correct (in part) and it was this Sony CD that I
found listed as having been broadcast on KBPS on March 7, 2006 that you
heard recently:
Der Ring des Nibelungen: Fantasy for Horn and Piano - Roland Horvath (after
Richard Wagner)
Gunter Hogner, horn/Stefan Vladar, piano
Melvin,
I am nearly 100% certain that his piece has never been recorded (if it has,
it must be on some privately produce production that has eluded me). Naxos
has released at least one CD of his music, but nothing horn related.
Back when I started to take private lessons, ca. 1960, I studied
I am attempting to resume an off-list correspondence thread that lapsed
about 2 1/2 years ago, so I could use current email addresses for the
following list members (or a ping from them directly):
Mike Atkinson
John Baumgart
Pieter de Jonghe
Joe Duke
Neuro Hwang
Sonja Reynolds
Steve Slaff
I few
Thanks to some connections I have I was able to purchase house seats for a
performance of Giulio Cesare a few days before the broadcast that is
mentioned and got to sit in the second row with a clear view of the horn
section. The playing was exactly as cited (though my wife went to a
performance
I stumbled across the following CD listed in a catalog:
http://www.balticshop.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?item=1178cat=507title=Search_Result
and am wondering just what we have here. I can see that the Freischuetz
Hunters chorus and Mendelssohn Hunter's farewell are on the disc (Medniek
apparently is
Further looking on the subject of my last post reveals that Sprogis is not
the arranger, conductor (at least I assume not) but the tenor soloist on
this and other CDs.
Just to set the record straight,
Peter Hirsch
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How about:
Norman Dello Joio The mystic trumpeter (Whitman) SATB, horn, 1943 (sorry,
no keyboard part)
There are some others, but it might take some further digging. I was
convinced that Doug Hill had something that he wrote and recorded like this
but I can't find it (I did turn up his
In answer to Richard's question about the Ligeti, the writing in the trio
is essentially all written to be played on various partials changing
fingerings only to go to a different harmonic series (I'm sure no one
understands this unless they have seen the score, but I am unable to
express it any
In re:
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Kendall,
Actually, Bjork to my ears is great. Her band was
unrefined, yes i agree, but I liked that, kind of like
a atonal wind up music box.
Don't exactly know how much interest there might be in this, but there is
definite horn content once you get about 2:45 into it.
I got home late from a gig last Saturday and this on SNL about 12:30 AM
when I switched it on. I only caught the last few moments, so I tracked
this down to see what it
One of the towering individualists, whether you care for his methods and
moods or not.
http://oliviermessiaen.net/
I'm not commenting on the jewish thing, though it is an interesting enough
topic.
Peter Hirsch
p.s. On a more horn related topic, I just picked up a heavily discounted
copy (like
Dave M. breathlessly reports:
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Hi Horn Folks-
Just to throw my two cents in here:
I recently had the opportunity to attend a performance of Mahler 5 by
the
Unless I have missed it, no one has mentioned the Concerto in Eb for 2
horns and strings from Tafelmusik, part III.
Telemann wrote many more works (concerti, suites, overture-suites) with two
or more horns. Follow the links below to see some recordings of a number of
them (but definitely not all
Hans,
I thought the same about the luggage belt. My guess is that it was just
sloppy newspaper writing and they were talking about the small conveyor
belt for the x-ray. If he had carried it with him on the previous leg of
his flight, as he claimed, the case would never have been anywhere near a
Bill,
Always pleased when I can draw you out of the woodwork and get a posting
from you on the list.
Suttner was on my short list of likely suspects, not because I actually
know much of anything about him, but because I was given a copy of the horn
and piano version of his Horn Concerto by an
Yesterday, I wrote:
I'm just saying that you oughtn't fret over whether or not you have a
good
recording; in this case any that doesn't willfully misrepresent what
Franz put to paper (did I once read that this was actually written by
Richard, or am I mixing this up with something else?) will do
Well, this topic hasn't been hashed over on this list for at least a day or
two, so I guess it's time to revisit once again by inviting you to follow
the link to today's NY Times online:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/10/nyregion/10musician.html
I can't say that I totally sympathize with one
The following came up on the music librarian's list and I thought that
Hans, Bill M., Dave T. or one of our other Euro-based members might have
more on Neuling than the wackykpedia one that seems cribbed from some
unnamed source.
I have my doubts that there really is much else to say about him
The recording was only released on Melodiya LP, which is to say good luck
finding a copy. This was true even when it was in print back in the old
USSR days.
If you want, I can look up the discographic info for you.
Peter Hirsch
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Stephen,
Just wondering your source for this recording and whether there is a label
name or if it is just privately issued (I assume). I see that Ulrich Kobl
carries this, but I was wondering if you had a domestic (or less pricey
Euro) source. I haven't checked Paxman, Osmun or TAP, et al yet;
Steve,
I enjoyed this very much. The sound is so unforced that you can really
believe that the pieces isn't hard to play at all. I agree with Hans that
the few stopped F's were probably uncalled for but didn't find them too
distracting overall. I also don't really know historically when horn
Hans,
Thanks for the posting below that focuses totally on clarification and the
maintenance of coherence and integrity in one's written expressions in a
listserv (not just this list)forum. I hope that all the members read is
closely and truly understand it.
My thoughts on it, addressed to the
I notice that my posting regarding the Brandenburgs on YouTube has the
generic Horn Digest, Vol 45, Issue 13 subject since I carelessly
responded to the digest without replacing the subject with something more
appropriate. I am somewhat aggravated when others do this, since I rely on
the subject
Well, I meant to get it right, but it was not the Brandenburg message that
I screwed up on. It was the Guildhall Horn CD.
Now I'll shut up and get back to work.
Peter Hirsch
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Despite living and breathing sound recordings (collector in my spare time,
audiovisual materials archivist and cataloger for pay) I know next to
nothing about recording techniques and certainly am not in the same league
as my friend Howard S., but I can say that I agree totally about flash
memory
Steve,
I know that it is probably a drag to set your slides painstakingly each
time you take the horn out of the case, but I have always (well, for at
lest twenty or thirty years) shoved them all the way back in before
returning the horn to the case.
Two reasons:
1. Gunk, dust and whatever else
Dear (? - a name of some sort at the bottom is a nice touch that seems to
have passed from fashion along with the ability to capitalize, punctuate
and the sense not to quote and entire digest issue when posting. These are
gentle requests and reminders, not a personal flame; just a way to promote
Perhaps some of this reaction may simply depend on one's tolerance of the
sound of the flute. I happen to be one of those (whose numbers happen to
have included Mozart - not that I'm comparing myself to him, mind you) who
just cringe when asked to listen to flute music being played, even if the
Hands down, the most beatiful (hornistically speaking) recording of the
Strauss song Alphorn is Jamie Sommervilles on the Boston label. It is not
widely available, but I see that TAP Music claims to have it. Try:
http://asp2.secure-shopping.com/tapmusic/details.asp?ProdID=HNSJ03cat=CHNpath=
Add: Jeurissen on MDG, Joulain on Arion
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Hans,
I think that you are remembering You're Darn Tootin' (1928)
IMDB lists it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019607/
I found couple of stills from this movie years ago. One apparently shows
them being evicted by their mean old lady character actor landlady and
the other shows them looking
I went and forwarded the snippet Bill Gross (without seeking permission;
I'll admit it) posted to this list to the music librarian's list and one of
the members sent me this pointer towards the full FAQ
http://www.amazingaustralia.com.au/faq.htm
Yes, amazing is the word for much of this,
To those interested (Steve Friedes, et al);
Koebl online - http://www.koebl.de/
Has a large section for Horn und Blasorchester oder Brass Band
I have only purchased CDs from this source and the process has been
somewhat involved and expensive (not entirely due to Koebl and obviously
varies a
Eric,
Thanks for reminding me of that. The listing that I first saw in Grove
decades ago has always tantalized and frustrated me. I believe that
someone, possibly you, pointed out the fact that there is no way to prove
its existence without a pilgrimage to Schott (and probably not even then).
I
Just realized that this thread ought to continue, if it does continue at
all, as Hindemith Trio and not linger on attributed to good old Don
Tovey.
Just doing a little house cleaning,
Peter Hirsch
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LT (it would be nice to know who I'm addressing, but that is another
issue, entirely),
I think that you may have misread my posting(s) about Strauss' Etudes. It
is not that they are unknown to me and others, they just don't seem to have
gone beyond the pencil copies residing in the Richard
This has exploration all been very interesting and I have to say that I am
not that surprised that the heirs of Herr Strauss may be reluctant to have
his extreme juvenilia released, though I do feel that it is an overly
protective stance.
I would like to apologize for speaking off the top of my
As I promised yesterday, I did check the Trenner thematic index for
Strauss' works and the etudes do not appear to have aver been published.
There is a pencil copy (or original - my grasp of German understands the
bleistift part of the description but not what follows. I will try to
take a second
Grove lists:
Zwei Etuden, no.1 for E(Embedded image moved to file: pic16541.gif) hn,
no.2 for E hn, ?1873
and assigns the TrV number 15 to them. This number refer to the catalog
compiled by Franz Trenner: Richard Strauss: Werkverzeichnis (Munich, 1993,
3/1999)
If you find a way to consult this
Graham,
I'd be very interested in any response that you get on the other list or
offlist. I actually purchased all 6 of the Graas CDs on Lonehill a couple
of weeks ago and was wondering exactly the same thing but was too lazy to
post it to the list.
Thanks,
Peter Hirsch
date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006
The following was excerpted from a review of a performance of
Shostakovich's 7th Symphony by one the Juilliard School's orchestras
(presumably their A-team, though this is not specified):
This anonymous percussionist toiled away in the middle of the back row,
with one timpanist on either side
Michael asked:
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Hi, Does anyone know where I can buy Peter Damm's CD Laudatio - Musik
f=FCr,Horn und Orgel in the United States? Thanks!
If you follow the following link:
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seem to have just resulted in my being subscribed a second time, but the
message never appeared. So, here it is. Late, but I don't see that anyone
else
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Wes,
Do you (or anyone else) know of somewhere that sells Yamaha bumper material
(without having to buy the horn that goes with it - not that I have
anything against Yamahas, a model of horn that I have never tried)?
Peter
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Dave,
Peter Hui is correct, I have no doubt, that the Borodin Serenade was played
on the recital as an encore. I have not been able to listen to the tape I
have all the way to the end, but I don't question that I would hear this
piece if I had the time and means to finish dubbing the reel to
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