Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread R.S.
Edward Jaffe wrote: R.S. wrote: ... But it is even harder to convince anyone to spend money on mainframe HW and then pay MLC bills for software. Ask IBMers how often TSM server is on z/OS nowadays. And why. (ok, you likely won't get an answer) We run TSM on z/OS. It's IPLA, not MLC. Yes, bu

appending userid in a file

2008-11-11 Thread Ron Thomas
Hi, Could some one please help me in this in this , I need a Rexx routine to be executed in the job so that that the file will be created for eg Userid.abc ie the userid should be appended before the file name. PUT “abc.inv.rpt” userid.txt Close exit Thanks, Ron

Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
It's not a crazy thought. At least I don't think so, for what it's worth. The idea came up in passing recently when a student working on a final project asked for some ideas. One of my suggestions was exactly along these lines. To expand on those previous thoughts: 1. There's no EBCDIC requiremen

Re: Differences in IEFTMS7 and IEFTMS8

2008-11-11 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 19:34 -0600 on 11/11/2008, Russell Witt wrote about Re: Differences in IEFTMS7 and IEFTMS8: So, if you want to assume that the system-date is always correct and eliminate the WTOR's simply add PARM=NODATE to the TMSINIT proc. This still does not answer the question that was raised about wh

Re: CR+ / T-Rex

2008-11-11 Thread John Hoelmer
Another vote for T-Rex. Installation literally takes 15 minutes and it works like a champ. We use it for regular cat backups and have done many concurrent cat reorgs with no issues. Support is same day. On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:20:51 -0600, Magen Margalit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi all, > >We a

CA World in Las Vegas

2008-11-11 Thread Russell Witt
Anyone attending CA World in Las Vegas? Would love to get together with some of the mainframe posters and lurkers if there are. Russell Witt CA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMA

Re: Differences in IEFTMS7 and IEFTMS8

2008-11-11 Thread Russell Witt
Tom, You are absolutely correct; no harm running TMSINIT as often as you want (with tape processing active). I have seen some sites run TMSINIT twice a day. They wanted to change subpool definitions on a shift-by-shift basis (never did understand that one at all). To be honest, I had to go back t

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Rick Fochtman
Figures don't lie, but liars will figure. Smacks of "management by airline magazine", with a generous dose of marketting "Male Bovine Excrement". John McKown wrote: I don't know how accurate it is, but I found it interesting. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/11/hp_chases_mainframes/ --

Re: Differences in IEFTMS7 and IEFTMS8

2008-11-11 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:34:01 -0600, Russell Witt wrote: > >Second (to address Tom's and Richard's complaint) we did realize that IPL's >were not done on a regular weekly basis at all sites anymore. We added a >PARM=NODATE to TMSINIT years ago to prevent any WTOR's from being >issued. With PARM=N

Re: Differences in IEFTMS7 and IEFTMS8

2008-11-11 Thread Russell Witt
Okay, I am going to try to address all the comments and mis-information supplied in a single email. First, as others have correctly identified; the combination of IEFTMS7/3/8 all come together when the last time that TMSINIT was run on any system sharing the TMC was more then 8-days ago. If the

Re: good practise to run linux on mainframe

2008-11-11 Thread Tommy Tsui
Is there any sample HCD/IOCP how to code a dummy LPAR? We just change the * to the real name, assign I/O resources, then do a hardware activate. You would now see your new LPAR on the HMC and you can customize the profile for it. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:28 AM, John McKown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: Differences in IEFTMS7 and IEFTMS8

2008-11-11 Thread John Giltner
You remember correctly, those messages have been with the product since UCC1 days. Linda Mooney wrote: If I remember correctly (and I don't remember if I do ;-), this may have been with the product since UCC1 days. Anyway, (and this I definitely remember), years ago we used to run without any

Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:40:50 -0500, David Andrews wrote: >On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 14:47 -0600, Rich Smrcina wrote: >> Why re-invent the wheel on z/OS? > >Because that's where the data is. (Or "are", for John Gilmore.) > Because that's where the SVCs is. I'd love to be able to ATTACH GIMSMP, GIMZIP

Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread Edward Jaffe
R.S. wrote: ... But it is even harder to convince anyone to spend money on mainframe HW and then pay MLC bills for software. Ask IBMers how often TSM server is on z/OS nowadays. And why. (ok, you likely won't get an answer) We run TSM on z/OS. It's IPLA, not MLC. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Sof

Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread Scott Ford
John, I think it looks pretty easy, I have written scripting languages , I think before dinos roamed the earth ( lol )so even shell script isn't so hard for me..but that's me..easy to used and config is goodness to me... This is the way I am writing our products. Scott Ford Senior Systems Eng

Re: Fwd: storing a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS

2008-11-11 Thread Kirk Wolf
This question has great potential for a really long IBM-MAIN thread :-) Is it a question about: - how to store a PDF in a dataset? - how to load PDFs into DB2? - how to transfer a PDF to a mainframe dataset? - how to process DB2 LOBs in COBOL ? Pick your favorite aspect, or anything slightly rela

Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread R.S.
John McKown pisze: [...] But I can't run it. Why? We won't get an IFL. It costs too much. We can't run it on a CP because we don't have the excess power. And, in any case, it increases our z/OS MSUs and thus our z/OS software bill. It is cheaper to run Linux on Intel. And so on. Oh, and despite t

Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread John McKown
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:51:15 -0600, Kirk Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >John, > >Kirk Wolf >Dovetailed Technologies > >P.S. With obvious bias I would have to disagree that co-processing >between z/OS and z/Linux is difficult. > How hard is this? - http://dovetail.com/docs/coz/cookbook.html

Re: Differences in IEFTMS7 and IEFTMS8

2008-11-11 Thread Linda Mooney
If I remember correctly (and I don't remember if I do ;-), this may have been with the product since UCC1 days. Anyway, (and this I definitely remember), years ago we used to run without any UPS whatsoever, not in any form. We took hard power hits fairly often and the machine would forget wha

Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread Kirk Wolf
John, I think you have an interesting idea, but also seem like a lot of work to implement for unknown demand. What about another approach: why couldn't hypervisor support (ala z/VM) be built into z/OS? Then you might be able to run z/Linux virtual machines under a z/OS blanket with perhaps more

Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread P S
It's not crazy, it's just that it would be a TON of work, with unproven requirement/return, and where most folks would say "Run in an IFL". "Where the data is" doesn't really do much for me -- an IFL in the same box over HiperSockets isn't very far away, and offers all the usual benefits of z. On

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Howard Brazee
On 11 Nov 2008 12:44:31 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R.S.) wrote: >Pay me, and I'll tell you what you want >More seriously, I believe that HP's words are true *in some sense*. I >also believe it is definitely not true, that avg 100 mainframes shops >per year were gone. No. Rather avg. 100 customer

Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread David Andrews
On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 14:47 -0600, Rich Smrcina wrote: > Why re-invent the wheel on z/OS? Because that's where the data is. (Or "are", for John Gilmore.) -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAI

Re: good practise to run linux on mainframe

2008-11-11 Thread John McKown
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:09:52 +0100, R.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Yes. Reserved LPARs. Actually I never used this feature (it is available >since z/OS 1.6 AFAIK), however I don't understand it. >In my understanding I always had the feature: it is enough to create >LPARs, assign (or not) some C

Re: Differences in IEFTMS7 and IEFTMS8

2008-11-11 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Tom Marchant wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:13:05 -0500, Lizette Koehler wrote: IEFTMS7 IPL DATE MORE THAN 8 DAYS FROM LAST IPL IEFTMS3 PREVIOUS IPL DATE = date IEFTMS8 VERIFY DATE = date OR 'HELP' Reason: The current system date is eight or more days beyond the last BrightStor CA-1 initializ

Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread John McKown
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:47:00 -0600, Rich Smrcina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >What tools are you looking for? What ones do you have? . I like GNU's versions of almost all the "standard" stuff: bash, gawk, grep, make. ... Where such exist, they are never up to date. > >Why re-invent the wheel on

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Edward Jaffe
Tony Harminc wrote: ... The Reg has also bought into IBM's line about "speciality engines" being some sort of performance enhancers for Java, Linux, and so on, rather than just a scheme for maintaining market differentiation between Classic and New workloads. But, specialty engines *do* enha

Re: good practise to run linux on mainframe

2008-11-11 Thread R.S.
John McKown pisze: On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:56:05 -0600, Hal Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The last time I checked, adding an LPAR still requires a full power on reset. Like any LPAR, it will need resources such as main memory to be allocated. No. In the current HCD, you can create any num

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pommier, Rex R.) writes: > I concur also. I wonder what year my company was included in the "250 > per 2 years" statistic. We brought in a brand-spanking-new HP > sup

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Pesky users. Keeping the REAL reason for Mainframes obscured. END USER is still missing in the z/Arch instruction set. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: Differences in IEFTMS7 and IEFTMS8

2008-11-11 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:13:05 -0500, Lizette Koehler wrote: >IEFTMS7 IPL DATE MORE THAN 8 DAYS FROM LAST IPL >IEFTMS3 PREVIOUS IPL DATE = date >IEFTMS8 VERIFY DATE = date OR 'HELP' >Reason: The current system date is eight or more days beyond the >last BrightStor CA-1 >initialization date. >Actio

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Ken Porowski
Pesky users. Keeping the REAL reason for Mainframes obscured. Ken Porowski AVP Systems Software CIT Group E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- R.S. Last but not least: we use mainframes, but our business use *applications*. Yes, indeed, our lovely mainframes are *not* for Parallel

Re: Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread Rich Smrcina
John McKown wrote: We (well, me) are always complaining how the z/OS UNIX tools simply are not a good or plentiful as the ones on GNU/Linux. So I had a weird thought. Why not create a program on z/OS UNIX, in the WINE tradition, which can load z/Linux binaries and have support DLLs which implem

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread R.S.
Dave Salt pisze: An interesting article indeed. For those who haven't read it, here are some statements that caught my eye: - HP announced today that in the past two years, it has helped more than 250 customers worldwide to migrate from mainframes to Integrity-based servers. - HP has been ch

Crazy(?) thought - run z/Linux binaries on z/OS UNIX.

2008-11-11 Thread John McKown
We (well, me) are always complaining how the z/OS UNIX tools simply are not a good or plentiful as the ones on GNU/Linux. So I had a weird thought. Why not create a program on z/OS UNIX, in the WINE tradition, which can load z/Linux binaries and have support DLLs which implement the Linux ABI?

Re: good practise to run linux on mainframe

2008-11-11 Thread John McKown
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:56:05 -0600, Hal Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The last time I checked, adding an LPAR still requires a full power on >reset. Like any LPAR, it will need resources such as main memory to be >allocated. No. In the current HCD, you can create any number of "placeholder"

Re: good practise to run linux on mainframe

2008-11-11 Thread Hal Merritt
The last time I checked, adding an LPAR still requires a full power on reset. Like any LPAR, it will need resources such as main memory to be allocated. Perhaps you'd want to look at a VM based solution. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Hal Merritt
Going to have to go with IBM on this one. Those workloads are very CPU intensive and would be hugely expensive under classic mainframe pricing schemes. Not only would you need a lot more raw horse power, but your other vendors will want to charge you more as well. Designating some engines as ou

Re: Top z/OS Freeware Tools

2008-11-11 Thread John P Kalinich
Ed Jaffe of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 11/11/2008 01:27:16 PM: > > Over the years, I have personally made use of SHOWMVS, BYPASSNQ, > > RECALL, PDS, REVIEW, AUTO, TSSO, TASID, MXI, XMITIP, ASM2ZAP and > > others. I suspect most everyone reading this has a similar list to share. >

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Tony Harminc
2008/11/11 Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So if HP alone is converting more than 250 mainframe shops every 2 years, > then at least > 1,000 mainframe shops will be gone over the next 8 years? Ouch! Someone > please tell me > this isn't true? When HP claims "it has helped more than 250 custome

Re: Top z/OS Freeware Tools

2008-11-11 Thread Edward Jaffe
Edward Jaffe wrote: Over the years, I have personally made use of SHOWMVS, BYPASSNQ, RECALL, PDS, REVIEW, AUTO, TSSO, TASID, MXI, XMITIP, ASM2ZAP and others. I suspect most everyone reading this has a similar list to share. Here are a few additions I received via off-list email: LISTPDS, TAPE

Re: Fwd: storing a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS

2008-11-11 Thread Roland Schiradin
Look into the SHOWzOS distribution www.cbttape.org. It contains a JCL to generate a PDF and transfer this MVS dataset to your PC. Roland >Sorry, there was a typo in the title. > >-- Forwarded message -- >From: Jim McAlpine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread john gilmore
Historically the linking of PL/I programs was slightly complicated because there were two versions of certain library routines, one for COBOL-like single-task applications and another for multitasking ones. These routines, located in two different libraries, had the same names. The scheme use

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Knutson, Sam
Counter-Point http://www.clabbyanalytics.com/uploads/HPvsIBMFinalFinalFinal.pdf http://www.clabbyanalytics.com/Free_Reports_Critiques.html Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO System z Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAI

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
I concur also. I wonder what year my company was included in the "250 per 2 years" statistic. We brought in a brand-spanking-new HP superdome back in 2001 as our mainframe (a 7060H50!!) killer. As per my CTO back then "don't do any maintenance to the mainframe because it will be gone in 3 years"

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Hal Merritt
Concur. When I read the article my 'male bovine excrement' alarms went off. It is clearly (to me, anyway) based on facts as perceived by HP marketing. And we all know how marketing perceives and conveys 'facts' ;-) As would most Inquiring Minds, I'd like to know the reality. But I doubt that's g

Re: Fwd: storing a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS

2008-11-11 Thread Steve Comstock
Jim McAlpine wrote: Sorry, there was a typo in the title. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jim McAlpine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:02 PM Subject: string a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List We are looking at storing PDF files as DB2 B

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Edward Jaffe
Dave Salt wrote: So if HP alone is converting more than 250 mainframe shops every 2 years, then at least 1,000 mainframe shops will be gone over the next 8 years? Ouch! Someone please tell me this isn't true? Let me state up front that I do not trust the Register. Never have... The artic

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Bobbie Justice
So if HP alone is converting more than 250 mainframe shops every 2 years, then at least 1,000 mainframe shops will be gone over the next 8 years? Ouch! Someone please tell me this isn't true? Dave Salt hmmm, sounds like more "management by airport magazine" hype. Don't believe everything you

Re: "The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread Dave Salt
An interesting article indeed. For those who haven't read it, here are some statements that caught my eye: - HP announced today that in the past two years, it has helped more than 250 customers worldwide to migrate from mainframes to Integrity-based servers. - HP has been chasing IBM and othe

Differences in IEFTMS7 and IEFTMS8

2008-11-11 Thread Lizette Koehler
I am trying to determine what the difference in response to these two CA1 messages are. The CA1 Messages manual has IEFTMS7 IPL DATE MORE THAN 8 DAYS FROM LAST IPL IEFTMS3 PREVIOUS IPL DATE = date IEFTMS8 VERIFY DATE = date OR 'HELP' Reason: The current system date is eight or more days beyond th

Re: storing a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS

2008-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:39:11 -0600, Wayne Driscoll wrote: >Well, DB2 ships with a PDF file in the DSN!!0.SDSNIVPD dataset, member >DSNDR, and it is a VB dataset, lrecl=8188. > 8188? 8096? What motivates these numbers? 3390 track geometry. What's SDSNIVPD's BLKSIZE? -- gil

Re: Fwd: storing a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS

2008-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:34:52 -0800, Jack wrote: >If I create a PDF file with SAS and don't specify attributes, it assigns > >Organization . . . : PS >Record format . . . : VB >Record length . . . : 259 >Block size . . . . : 27998 > >I have also used LRECL=8096,BLKSIZE=0. > I suppose it depends l

Re: storing a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS

2008-11-11 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Well, DB2 ships with a PDF file in the DSN!!0.SDSNIVPD dataset, member DSNDR, and it is a VB dataset, lrecl=8188. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread Don Williams
In most every shop I've worked in, we created some form of SYSx.NULLFILE and/or SYSx.NULLPDS. So I agree, it would be nice if z/OS supplied them. For over 30 years I thought that a DD DUMMY in a PDS concatenation should act as a empty PDS and not a EOF, but IBM did not ask me. I have never seen

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:08:32 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:56:53 -0600, Staller, Allan wrote: > >>Try DSN=NULLFILE. See the JCL manuals... > >//TEST EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 >//STEPLIB DD DSN=NULLFILE >// DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.LINKLIB > >results in >IEC141I 013-64,IFG0

Re: Fwd: storing a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS

2008-11-11 Thread Jack . Hamilton
If I create a PDF file with SAS and don't specify attributes, it assigns Organization . . . : PS Record format . . . : VB Record length . . . : 259 Block size . . . . : 27998 I have also used LRECL=8096,BLKSIZE=0. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information & Analysis - Analytic Information Ser

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:56:53 -0600, Staller, Allan wrote: >Try DSN=NULLFILE. See the JCL manuals... //TEST EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 //STEPLIB DD DSN=NULLFILE // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.LINKLIB results in IEC141I 013-64,IFG0196J,PMITCM0L,TEST,STEPLIB,,,NULLFILE "An OPEN macro instruction w

Re: RACF Protection for Initiiators - JES2

2008-11-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:28:37 -0600, Jimmy Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm looking for the samples to setup RACF protection on initiators. It's been a >while since last implementation. I thought there was something on the CBT >tape. Searches of the CBT and archieves have not been kind to me.

Fwd: storing a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS

2008-11-11 Thread Jim McAlpine
Sorry, there was a typo in the title. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jim McAlpine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:02 PM Subject: string a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List We are looking at storing PDF files as DB2 BLOB data and I have so

string a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS

2008-11-11 Thread Jim McAlpine
We are looking at storing PDF files as DB2 BLOB data and I have some info on the COBOL programming aspect from a DB2 redbook. However we first have to get the PDF file stored in an MVS dataset. Obviously we can FTP the file but what would the attributes of the MVS dataset look like. Has anyone d

Re: Measuring performance with job elapsed time

2008-11-11 Thread Barry Merrill
While I agree that the elapsed time of a batch job is subject to some uncontrollable variation, it, or more accurately, a subset of the job elapsed time, the step residency time, can indeed be used to compare before and after changes in many cases, especially when there was a significant improveme

Re: http://zcandoit.com new web site System z can do it

2008-11-11 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:46:05 +1100, Graeme Gibson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >Is it only me.. or do those all seem to be far too underwhelmingly >weak, pathetically scripted and produced and downright boring to be >effective "hooks" for catching the attention of anyone other than we >rusted-o

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:27:09 -0600, Staller, Allan wrote: >It is, but it fools the converter/interperter into thinking there really >is a dataset there and allows the concatenation to proceed, as opposed >to DD DUMMY which "truncates" the concatenation. > I remain open to persuasion, although John

RACF Protection for Initiiators - JES2

2008-11-11 Thread Jimmy Wagner
I'm looking for the samples to setup RACF protection on initiators. It's been a while since last implementation. I thought there was something on the CBT tape. Searches of the CBT and archieves have not been kind to me. Thanks in advance for all help. Jimmy -

Re: Measuring performance with job elapsed time

2008-11-11 Thread Hal Merritt
Did not see the original posting. If you are looking for a decrease in elapsed (clock) time, then that is the only metric of any interest. However, as others suggest, clock time can be expected to vary with transaction load and the overall load on the environment. You might want to build a refer

"The Register" article on HP replacing z

2008-11-11 Thread John McKown
I don't know how accurate it is, but I found it interesting. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/11/hp_chases_mainframes/ -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread John McKown
This is my idea, for whatever it may be worth. I would create a proc with something like: //SYSLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=some.empty.pds // INCLUDE MEMBER=prelibs // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=first.standard.library // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=second.standard.library //* OTHER STANDARD LIBRA

CA-JMR question

2008-11-11 Thread John McKown
If anybody out there is using CA-JMR to archive their job JCL type output, I have a question. I cannot find any way to determine how big the MASTER, ALTERN, and HOLD datasets should be. The example show TRK,(1,1), but that just doesn't seem to be reasonable. Any help? -- John ---

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > > On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:22:40 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: > > >Try this: > > > >//SYSLIBDD DDNAME=OWNSYSLB > >// DD DISP=SHR,DSN=APPL.PROD.COPYLIB > >//* > >//OWNSYSLB DD DISP

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
>>//OWNSYSLB DD DISP=(NEW,KEEP),DSN=&&OWNSYSLB, >>// SPACE=(TRK,(1,,1)),RECFM=U,LRECL=32760 >>//* >I don't know about KEEP on a temporary DSN; I'd be more >comfortable with PASS. But I'm very uncomfortable with >DELETE in a PROC. It has bad effects when I override with >a catalogued d

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread Staller, Allan
It is, but it fools the converter/interperter into thinking there really is a dataset there and allows the concatenation to proceed, as opposed to DD DUMMY which "truncates" the concatenation. Agreed, the effect at execution time is the same. >Try DSN=NULLFILE. See the JCL manuals... > We had th

SV: Former Marines

2008-11-11 Thread Krister Perrolf
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SV: Former Marines

2008-11-11 Thread Thomas Berg
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Re: Former Marines

2008-11-11 Thread Howard Brazee
On 10 Nov 2008 19:26:55 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ted MacNEIL) wrote: >In the early 1960's, we had a Prime Minister who won a Nobel Peace Prise. >How many American presidents have one? Three >Oh, and, how much money does the US owe the UN? The US paid more to the UN than any other country. >So

Re: What is command to define more terminals?

2008-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:34:57 +0100, Lindy Mayfield wrote: >I got it. It's not a command, but a change to vtamlst. then a command. but >not until vtamlst is changed. > >-Original Message- > >I've added more devices to my machine (through VM CP DEFINE GRAPH ). But >the D U,GRAPHIC

Re: Former Marines

2008-11-11 Thread Howard Brazee
On 10 Nov 2008 19:07:29 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Savor, Tom) wrote: >>Bull droppings. American jinogoism. >>And, another example of the US only knowing about US history. >>We participated in WWII. >>And, while your military rushed to France, we stopped to free Holland. >>And, that is recognised e

Re: What is command to define more terminals?

2008-11-11 Thread Lindy Mayfield
I got it. It's not a command, but a change to vtamlst. then a command. but not until vtamlst is changed. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: 11. marraskuuta 2008 9:48 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: What

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:56:53 -0600, Staller, Allan wrote: >Try DSN=NULLFILE. See the JCL manuals... > We had this discussion about a year ago. At that time everyone except John Gilmore agreed that both according to the JCL manuals and empirically DSN=NULLFILE is quite indistinguishable from DUMMY

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread Staller, Allan
Try DSN=NULLFILE. See the JCL manuals... I sure wish DUMMY didn't truncate the concatenation, but were treated as an empty directory (DSORG=PO), or data set (DSORG=PS), allowing subsequent catenands to be searched or read. Or that there were an alternative keword (DD EMPTY) with that behavior.

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:22:40 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: >Try this: > >//SYSLIBDD DDNAME=OWNSYSLB >// DD DISP=SHR,DSN=APPL.PROD.COPYLIB >//* >//OWNSYSLB DD DISP=(NEW,KEEP),DSN=&&OWNSYSLB, >// SPACE=(TRK,(1,,1)),RECFM=U,LRECL=32760 > I sure wish DUMMY didn't truncat

Re: procs and concatenations

2008-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:22:40 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: >Try this: > >//SYSLIBDD DDNAME=OWNSYSLB >// DD DISP=SHR,DSN=APPL.PROD.COPYLIB >//* >//OWNSYSLB DD DISP=(NEW,KEEP),DSN=&&OWNSYSLB, >// SPACE=(TRK,(1,,1)),RECFM=U,LRECL=32760 >//* I don't know about KEEP on a

Re: OSA-ICC Console over long distance

2008-11-11 Thread Chris Mason
Ken It seems that the answer to your first question is "Yes" even if some can't quite match your precise distance. However, as a response to your second sentence, may I pose a question - Why? Given the configuration, software and protocols involved, I can see no reason to imagine there even m

Re: http://zcandoit.com new web site System z can do it

2008-11-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
>Curious to know if there was a hidden gem here somewhere, I clicked >through to zcandoit.com and found myself at >http://www.squidoo.com/zcandoit, Ditto here. Seemed to me it is a hidden spam type website. >Who is doing this cr*p? And why did they bother? This is indeed cr*p. This is really