Re: LE options

2009-07-18 Thread Imbriale, Donald
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: LE options There appears to be (at least) two ways to change LE runtime options system wide. There's

Re: LE options

2009-07-18 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:25:28 -0400, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: Don't forget that there is also a JCL over ride now at z/OS V1.9 (IIRC) that allows your programmers to put in the LE Parms there was well. Actually 2 releases earlier, z/OS 1.7 - via CEEOPTS DD. Not all options

Re: LE options

2009-07-18 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Thanks for all of the thoughts. We are already using the PARMLIB member, and it looks like we'll continue to do so. Just wanted to make sure that was the right choice. Frank -- Frank Swarbrick Applications Architect - Mainframe Applications Development FirstBank Data Corporation Lakewood,

Re: LE options

2009-07-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Thanks for all of the thoughts. We are already using the PARMLIB member, and it looks like we'll continue to do so. Just wanted to make sure that was the right choice. When I started in this business, almost everything was assembled tables and required huge unnatural acts to get things changed.

Re: LE options

2009-07-18 Thread R.S.
Frank Swarbrick pisze: I have read the manuals and understand there are many ways to set them. I'm interested in more fully understand, however, the pros and cons of CEEDOPT versus CEEPRMxx. Manuals too often tell you *how* to do things but not *why*. I think, its quite obvious. There is

LE options

2009-07-17 Thread Frank Swarbrick
that the PARMLIB way allows for multiple systems to share the same LE libraries and still have different LE options, if desired. Is this the reason for is its existence? If we use the PARMLIB way is there anything that has to be done with the macros and can't be done with the PARMLIB? Honestly

Re: LE options

2009-07-17 Thread Roland Schiradin
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:25:26 -0600, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com wrote: There are more ways (CEEROPT, CEEUOPT and more). Check the manuals for more details about the order of settings. Also understand the term LE enclave and how the LE options takes effect for some

Re: LE options

2009-07-17 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: LE options There appears to be (at least) two ways to change LE runtime options system wide. There's

LE options

2009-07-17 Thread Bill Klein
Frank, As others have pointed out, there are still other ways to do set LE options. One difference between the old ways (e.g. CEEDCOPT) and the new ways (PARMLIB) is that the old ways allowed for fixed options, i.e. system defaults that could NOT be overridden by the programmer or later methods

Re: LE options

2009-07-17 Thread Lizette Koehler
options, if desired. Is this the reason for is its existence? If we use the PARMLIB way is there anything that has to be done with the macros and can't be done with the PARMLIB? Honestly, there are so many ways to change LE options that it's hard to keep them all straight

Re: LE options

2009-07-17 Thread Frank Swarbrick
...@efirstbank.com wrote: There are more ways (CEEROPT, CEEUOPT and more). Check the manuals for more details about the order of settings. Also understand the term LE enclave and how the LE options takes effect for some application especially under CICS. BTW: SHOWzOS shows the CEEDOPT

Re: LE options

2009-07-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Don't forget that there is also a JCL over ride now at z/OS V1.9 (IIRC) that allows your programmers to put in the LE Parms there was well. That's been around a lot longer than 1.9! IIRC, it was around during OS/390. The option(s) are specified by: //STEP EXEC PGM=appl,PARM='appl/LE' Or vice

Re: LE options

2009-07-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
anuals too often tell you *how* to do things but not *why*. I guess, in my case, it's because it's dynamic and more flexible. So, I prefer PARMLIB. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: LE options

2009-07-17 Thread Lizette Koehler
Actually I was talking about the //CEEOPT DD statement that can be added to JCL rather than the PARM. Lizette Don't forget that there is also a JCL over ride now at z/OS V1.9 (IIRC) that allows your programmers to put in the LE Parms there was well. That's been around a lot longer than

Re: Utility for LE Options?

2009-01-20 Thread Roland Schiradin
SHOWzOS and COBANAL display the CEExOPT settings but not for CEEROPT. However the code should also work for CEEROPT unless you modify it and load the CEEROPT entry. Starting with z/OS R9 (?) IBM deliver a macro (CEEOCB?) to map the CEExOPT. Regards Roland Is there some utility out there

Utility for LE Options?

2009-01-19 Thread Adam Johanson
Is there some utility out there where you supply as input the CEEROPT load module, and the utility reports on what options it specifies? I'd hate to write one only to find out that I re-invented the wheel... Thanks. Adam Johanson IMS Systems Programming USAA

Re: Utility for LE Options?

2009-01-19 Thread Lizette Koehler
Is this for IMS, CICS, Batch or other environment? What level of z/OS would you be running this on? Cics has CLER for seeing the options, and I think IMS may also have one for the online side. If you are at z/OS V1.9 then the parms might be maintained in CEEPRMxx in SYS1.PARMLIB or a CEEOPT

Re: Utility for LE Options?

2009-01-19 Thread Adam Johanson
It's for an IMS MPR. We're at z/OS 1.9. What I'd really like is for the utility to take the load module, and output the CEEXOPT macro, complete with options contained in the CEEROPT module. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Utility for LE Options?

2009-01-19 Thread Bill Klein
To: IBM-MAIN (IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU) Subject: Fw: Utility for LE Options? I don't know if this is what you are looking for, but at LE 1.9, you can A) create a CEEROPT stand-alone module with RPTOPTS(ON) (You may or may not want to modify MSGFILE as well) See: http

Utility for LE Options?

2009-01-19 Thread Bill Klein
-MAIN (IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU) Subject: Utility for LE Options? OOPS, my idea won't work. It is the CEEROPT module itself that you are trying to find what options are set. I do not know of a dis-assembler for a CEEROPT load module. -Original Message- From: Bill Klein [mailto:wmkl

Fw: Utility for LE Options?

2009-01-19 Thread Bill Klein
I don't know if this is what you are looking for, but at LE 1.9, you can A) create a CEEROPT stand-alone module with RPTOPTS(ON) (You may or may not want to modify MSGFILE as well) See: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ceea2180/1.9.2 B) place the resuliting load

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2008-01-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:30:53 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: //STEP1 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,PARM='PGM /bin/sleep ' //STEP2 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14,COND=(0,LE) //SYSUT99 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SYS1.PARMLIB ... but RACF won't help you there. But the initiator might stop you as RMF has (assuming

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2008-01-08 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:30:53 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Take my remark as largely rhetorical. IIRC, I was rebutting a prior post expressing a phobic delusion that if PARMLIB had UACC=READ, an incompetently or maliciously crafted job might ABEND

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2008-01-08 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 8, 2008, at 7:21 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:30:53 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: //STEP1 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,PARM='PGM /bin/sleep ' //STEP2 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14,COND=(0,LE) //SYSUT99 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SYS1.PARMLIB ... but RACF won't help you there. But

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2008-01-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/27/2007 at 02:19 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But, as discussed here recently, prohibiting read access doesn't prevent the allocation, and it might be more likely that a program that ABENDs on OPEN will exit abnormally without doing the FREE.

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2008-01-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:46:34 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/27/2007 Time warp? at 02:19 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: But, as discussed here recently, prohibiting read access doesn't prevent the allocation, and it might be more likely that a program that ABENDs

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2008-01-07 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:46:34 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/27/2007 Time warp? at 02:19 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: But, as discussed here recently, prohibiting read access doesn't prevent the

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/21/2007 at 02:58 PM, Tom Savor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Funny how it's ok for SYSPROGs to cruise Applications and tell us what needs to be changed or how to tune our application (when we didn't ask for their opinion), but it's not ok for us to cruise your PARMLIB

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:13:09 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: If your system security is setup properly, I can see no harm in browsing anything on the system. One problem, which has been discussed here before, is users who allocate systems data sets and don't free them when they're done

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-25 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould On Jun 22, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Thomas Berg wrote: == Ed Gould == wrote2007-06-21 21:58: On Jun 21, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Thomas Berg wrote: --SNIP-- The consultants

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The consultants were using our resources to compile programs for the consultants essentially stealing resources from our company. The two steps we made to stop the process was taking away access to sys1.maclib and also not allowing assembler to be invoked. You let them off easy! I would

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-25 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL The consultants were using our resources to compile programs for the consultants essentially stealing resources from our company. ... You let them off easy! I would have dismissed them, right

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-25 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 25, 2007, at 7:50 AM, Chase, John wrote: --SNIP- The consultants were using our resources to compile programs for the consultants essentially stealing resources from our company. The two steps we made to stop the process was

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-24 Thread Thomas Berg
== Ed Gould == wrote2007-06-23 13:09: On Jun 23, 2007, at 4:15 AM, Thomas Berg wrote: -SNIP That explains it. But what were they expected to do, btw ? Thomas Berg -- I am not sure I understand the question. They were expected to

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-23 Thread Thomas Berg
== Ed Gould == wrote2007-06-23 01:49: On Jun 22, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Thomas Berg wrote: Still don't understand why they wasn't allowed to assemble their programs. Were they doing private programming or what ? Thomas Berg ---SNIP The standard company wide

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-23 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 23, 2007, at 4:15 AM, Thomas Berg wrote: -SNIP That explains it. But what were they expected to do, btw ? Thomas Berg -- I am not sure I understand the question. They were expected to work on any work that was assigned to them by our

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-23 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Ed Gould wrote: I am not sure I understand the question. They were expected to work on any work that was assigned to them by our company. Not use their time there for some other use. We had one consultant that was an ISV and was using our system to do development work on his product. THEN he

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-23 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 23, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: Ed Gould wrote: I am not sure I understand the question. They were expected to work on any work that was assigned to them by our company. Not use their time there for some other use. We had one consultant that was an ISV and was using

Re: HR policy (was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-23 Thread R.S.
Chase, John wrote: [...] ITYM dumb rather than stupid (dumb is curable via education; stupid is as stupid does). That was actually a stated policy in a university (!!) where I worked previously. In that boss's own words, If we allow you more training, your marketability will be enhanced and

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-22 Thread Ken Brick
This thread was originally entitled How to list LE Options. One of the responses was to browse the LE options member of PARMLIB. I see this as a valid requirement for an application programmer. Hence they need READ access to PARMLIB. However I, from a system programmers perspective, know

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-22 Thread Rob van der Heij
need to see the LE options (or something else) would automatically be able to see your passwords. A popular response to my why do you need that is people dreaming up some possible emergency situation that never happened but might occur some day (when everyone else is sick and there is a sev 1, so

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-22 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thomas Berg -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List För Ed Gould The consultants howled as they could no longer assemble programs (no access to sys1.maclib) ??? If you hire

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-22 Thread Thomas Berg
== Ed Gould == wrote2007-06-21 21:58: On Jun 21, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Thomas Berg wrote: --SNIP-- The consultants howled as they could no longer assemble programs (no access to sys1.maclib) ??? Our official language was COBOL nothing else was permitted into

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-22 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Barkow, Eileen that in most medium to large organizations, lines do need to be drawn in order to keep people focused on the jobs they are hired to do I take this to mean keep them stupid so that they cannot

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-22 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:27:40 +1000, Ken Brick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All valid many years ago but today with the ability to concatenate PARMLIB we, the system programmers, just need to put a little effort into segregating members into READ/NOREAD areas. This will still not satisfy every one

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
All AUDITOR does is give me READ access to profiles and doesn't let me circumvent security in any way, but every year during audit my manager and the security manager have to sign off on the access and explain it. Doesn't it also allow you to make changes using SETROPTS? - Too busy driving to

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-22 Thread Ed Gould
O SNIP ITYM dumb rather than stupid (dumb is curable via education; stupid is as stupid does). That was actually a stated policy in a university (!!) where I worked previously. In that boss's own words,

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-22 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:27:40 +1000, Ken Brick wrote: This thread was originally entitled How to list LE Options. One of the responses was to browse the LE options member of PARMLIB. I see this as a valid requirement for an application programmer. Hence they need READ access to PARMLIB. Since

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-22 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip-- Funny how it's ok for SYSPROGs to cruise Applications and tell us what needs to be changed or how to tune our application --unsnip- In our shop, it was called Quality Assurance Review and we caught some

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-22 Thread Steve Comstock
Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Barkow, Eileen that in most medium to large organizations, lines do need to be drawn in order to keep people focused on the jobs they are hired to do I take this to mean keep them stupid so

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-22 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 22, 2007, at 6:48 AM, Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thomas Berg -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List För Ed Gould The consultants howled as they could no longer assemble programs (no

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-22 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 22, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Thomas Berg wrote: == Ed Gould == wrote2007-06-21 21:58: On Jun 21, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Thomas Berg wrote: --SNIP-- The consultants howled as they could no longer assemble programs (no access to sys1.maclib) ??? Our official

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-22 Thread Don Leahy
- Original Message - From: Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options) ---snip-- Funny how it's ok

SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Thomas Berg
-Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Ed Gould Skickat: den 21 juni 2007 04:49 Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Ämne: Re: how to list LE options The consultants howled as they could no longer assemble programs (no access to sys1

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Knight Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how to list LE options Dittoever have users cruise your parmlib and then tell you how to tune

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:10:31 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dittoever have users cruise your parmlib and then tell you how to tune the system? Solution: UACC(NONE). Oh really? And did you then publish elsewhere the contents of LNKLST, the APF list, and other

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Phil Knight
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: how to list LE options -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Knight Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how to list

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip--- Dittoever have users cruise your parmlib and then tell you how to tune the system? Solution: UACC(NONE). -unsnip- I always figured it was b ecause that user had too much spare time. Solution: notify

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
ever have users cruise your parmlib and then tell you how to tune the system? Solution: UACC(NONE). I have yet to see a single member of PARMLIB that is any business of anybody outside SYSPROGs. - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Phil Knight
In this case politics led to security. Management decision (as it should be). - Original Message - From: Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: Re: how to list LE options

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Mike Hill - Saffron Services
Good relations between sysprogs and application programmers are crucial to business success. Locking yourself and your data in a closet does not help. I'm with Peter on this one. His comment above, says it all. Mike Hill Saffron Services tel: +44(0)1-322-337338 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Barkow, Eileen
they cannot update? Certain applications programmers can also utilize things like linklists and apf datasets as well as LE options so they should have the right to at least look at how they are defined to the system. a long time ago the MVS group here would not even allow the CICS and other groups

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Kelman, Tom
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how to list LE options There are pros and cons like everything else. If you want or need tight security controls, then on a need to know basis is a good approach. You picked a bad

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Rick Fochtman
PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: Re: how to list LE options --snip--- Dittoever have users cruise your parmlib and then tell you how to tune the system? Solution

Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-21 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 10:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how to list LE options Snipped There are pros and cons like everything else. If you want or need

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Rick Fochtman
applications programmers can also utilize things like linklists and apf datasets as well as LE options so they should have the right to at least look at how they are defined to the system. unsnip- Each shop has its own needs and viewpoint. In our

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:54:09 + Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :ever have users cruise your parmlib and then tell you how to tune the system? Solution: UACC(NONE). :I have yet to see a single member of PARMLIB that is any business of anybody outside SYSPROGs. How much of PARMLIB

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Barkow, Eileen
, June 21, 2007 1:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how to list LE options -snip--- that in most medium to large organizations, lines do need to be drawn in order to keep people focused on the jobs they are hired to do I take

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Because some fool of an auditor doesn't understand mainframes? That's just BS IMHO. Fire the auditor for incompetence An auditor doesn't set the rules. They just report on compliance. I still see no reason for a non-SYSPROG to have access to PARMLIB! - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
How much of PARMLIB cannot be detected by examining storage in a live system - not using APF or anything special? Security by obscurity is useless. I (honestly) do not understand your point. - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:44:21 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: ... Do you really think the APF list should be published?! Yes. Why not? It is readily available. Using the APF list as the excuse for preventing read access to PARMLIB is a red herring. The APF command in ISRDDN is one of the

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread R.S.
Binyamin Dissen wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:54:09 + Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :ever have users cruise your parmlib and then tell you how to tune the system? Solution: UACC(NONE). :I have yet to see a single member of PARMLIB that is any business of anybody outside SYSPROGs.

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:29:05 + Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :How much of PARMLIB cannot be detected by examining storage in a live system - not using APF or anything special? :Security by obscurity is useless. :I (honestly) do not understand your point. That by securing parmlib

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-21 Thread R.S.
Ted MacNEIL wrote: Because some fool of an auditor doesn't understand mainframes? That's just BS IMHO. Fire the auditor for incompetence An auditor doesn't set the rules. They just report on compliance. I still see no reason for a non-SYSPROG to have access to PARMLIB! Assuiming there is

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:55:58 -0400, Barkow, Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And just why is it a security breach to allow someone to look at a dataset they cannot update? Please give me read access to the data set that has your SS# and credit card information. I promise not to update it.

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread Tom Savor
Binyamin Dissen wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:54:09 + Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :ever have users cruise your parmlib and then tell you how to tune the system? Solution: UACC(NONE). :I have yet to see a single member of PARMLIB that is any business of anybody outside SYSPROGs.

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Funny how it's ok for SYSPROGs to cruise Applications and tell us what needs to be changed or how to tune our application Funny how I haven't worked at a shop (for over 20 years) that allowed me to cruise applications. Record layouts also need to be protected. - Too busy driving to stop for

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-21 Thread Wayne Driscoll
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:58:28 -0400, Tom Savor wrote: Another pet-peave, why do companies buy tools, then SYSPROG decides that only they get to use it. Example: My customer has purchased CICS/Abend-Aid, but has only configured it for CICS dumps. None of the applicatioin dumps can access it. I

Re: SV: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 21, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Thomas Berg wrote: --SNIP-- The consultants howled as they could no longer assemble programs (no access to sys1.maclib) ??? Our official language was COBOL nothing else was permitted into production. The consultants had a habit of doing the

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread Robert Justice
Funny how it's ok for SYSPROGs to cruise Applications and tell us what needs to be changed or how to tune our application (when we didn't ask for their opinion), but it's not ok for us to cruise your PARMLIB settings Never heard of a PARMLIB setting getting screwed-up by looking at it.

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-21 Thread R.S.
Wayne Driscoll wrote: In the JES2 Init deck, you can specify clear text passwords for RJE lines. That is a great reason for specifying UACC(NONE). It is also good reason to get rid of such solution. However, if - for any reason - it cannot be done, this is really good reason for UACC(N).

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:14:00 -0500, Robert Justice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny how it's ok for SYSPROGs to cruise Applications and tell us what needs to be changed or how to tune our application (when we didn't ask for their opinion), but it's not ok for us to cruise your PARMLIB settings

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread Joel C. Ewing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Binyamin Dissen wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:54:09 + Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :ever have users cruise your parmlib and then tell you how to tune the system? Solution: UACC(NONE). :I have yet to see a single member of PARMLIB that is any business of

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-21 Thread Walt Farrell
On 6/21/2007 3:40 PM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: In the JES2 Init deck, you can specify clear text passwords for RJE lines. That is a great reason for specifying UACC(NONE). But why would you want to have clear-text RJE passwords in the JES2 init deck when JES2 supports using RACF to perform

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-21 Thread J R
@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options] Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:40:02 -0400 In the JES2 Init deck, you can specify clear text passwords for RJE lines. That is a great reason for specifying UACC(NONE). Wayne Driscoll Product

Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options)

2007-06-21 Thread J R
guy cannot understand the application guy's point, that is a problem. From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PARMLIB(s) (Was: how to list LE options) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:29:05 + How much

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 21, 2007, at 1:08 PM, Barkow, Eileen wrote: as for SMPE datasets, I was only referring to being able to look at other compoenents SMPE datasets for which there is a real need for in debugging a product using a different SMPE environment. Which SMPE datasets a product uses is a function

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-21 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 21, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: In the JES2 Init deck, you can specify clear text passwords for RJE lines. That is a great reason for specifying UACC(NONE). Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. Wayne, Not to disagree

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-21 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
I don't know about your shop, but at ours it gets to be a pain when users call to complain because: my job is 20th on the queue Hit Enter. Tell them: Stop hitting enter because all the computer has time to do is service your request to see if it moved up in the queue. Put a NOTIFY=SYSUID

Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options]

2007-06-21 Thread Wayne Driscoll
@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Security vs knowledge [was: RE: how to list LE options] On Jun 21, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: In the JES2 Init deck, you can specify clear text passwords for RJE lines. That is a great reason for specifying UACC(NONE). Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME

how to list LE options

2007-06-20 Thread Schramm, Rob
I keep looking thru the manuals, but all I see is the use of RPTOPTS(ON) on some current LE using program. I am sure (ok.. hoping) that there is a way list out all LE run-time options? -Rob Schramm This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:38:44 -0400, Schramm, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep looking thru the manuals, but all I see is the use of RPTOPTS(ON) on some current LE using program. I am sure (ok.. hoping) that there is a way list out all LE run-time options? -Rob Schramm If you don't know of a

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-20 Thread Dave Kopischke
: Sorry about the length of this one. I clipped most of the comments and unnecessary junk from the program, but it's still pretty long. Just compile the program and run the JCL and you'll get an LE report. This is the only way I know of to list currently active LE options

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Jacobs
Schramm, Rob wrote: I keep looking thru the manuals, but all I see is the use of RPTOPTS(ON) on some current LE using program. I am sure (ok.. hoping) that there is a way list out all LE run-time options? -Rob Schramm If you are at zOS 1.7 or above this command seems to work; D

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-20 Thread Lizette Koehler
Under z/OS V1.7 and above you can use the CEEPRMxx member in Parmlib to set global parms. For onlines, you may need to look somewhere else for the answers. If you are below z/OS V1.7, then you need to look at CEEUOPT, CEECOPT, and CEEDOPT for what is set. First, WHICH LE options do you want

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-20 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Schramm, Rob wrote: I keep looking thru the manuals, but all I see is the use of RPTOPTS(ON) on some current LE using program. I am sure (ok.. hoping) that there is a way list out all LE run-time

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-20 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Snipped -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Snipped If you are at zOS 1.7 or above this command seems to work; D

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:19:42 -0500, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't know of a cobol program to run, compile/link the IVP: see hlq.SIGYSAMP(IGYWFIV1) I hadn't looked in a while. The sample name I quoted was from COBOL for MVS VM. The same sample for Enterprise COBOL is in

Re: how to list LE options

2007-06-20 Thread Arthur T.
On 20 Jun 2007 09:39:22 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Schramm, Rob) wrote: I keep looking thru the manuals, but all I see is the use of RPTOPTS(ON) on some current LE using program. I am sure (ok.. hoping) that there is a way list out all

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