: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:23 PM
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Umm, uh, yes I know, uh uh, a friend told me. Yea that's it. A friend told
me.
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[ snip ]
Oh, and in the places that I've seen that sell off-road diesel, it
costs
more than the highway diesel. Still scratching my head on that one (at
the time I was operating both types of
Anthony Giorgio wrote:
Hal Merritt wrote:
Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off
road' diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the
same fuel. Or so I'm told.
Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As
the penalties for
Hal Merritt wrote:
Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off road' diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the same fuel. Or so I'm told.
Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As the penalties for using it for
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Hal Merritt wrote:
Old days? Still very much so today here
work to zIIP with zPRIME
Hal Merritt wrote:
Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off road'
diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the same fuel. Or so
I'm told.
Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As the
penalties
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:18:31 +0900, Timothy Sipples
timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com wrote:
You could be criminally liable for certain uses of the car, such as putting
a baby or toddler in the car without a certified child safety seat,
regardless of where you operate or don't operate the car.
[Not
.
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Tony B.
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Back in the old days diesel fuel was sold to farmers, bulk delivered to a
home tank
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Denis Gdbler wrote:
..snip
Yes. I believe it would be difficult nee illegal to tell
Hal Merritt wrote:
Nope. Very common practice. When you buy a house, it very often comes with a long list of restrictions on what you can and cannot do.
These usually relate to what you do to them on the *outside* because it
has effect on the neighbourhood..
An auto has to be regularly
If I buy a car that is rated as xxHP, disassemble it, reverse
engineer it, boost it beyond its original specifications but
*never* drive it on a public road (and eventually don't try to
use my warranty because it's broken[1]), I'm not 100% sure how
the law would apply.
Assuming the United States,
Richard Peurifoy wrote:
IBM probably doesn't care if a vendor runs their own code on
zXXP's, that won't affect IBM's software charging, though it
may sell more zXXP engines, and less CP engines.
But they and other vendors probably do care if someone runs code
they had not intended to run on a
router and make
use of whatever the chips on the hardware may provide.
But, time will tell.
Denis.
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IBM
of
preventing me from running this linux distribution on my own bought or
rented router and make use of whatever the chips on the hardware may provide.
From: Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com
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Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:25 am
Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
After all, customer are charged for software on LPAR where it is not used (
RACF, RMM , CTG are some examples) So it is a bit weird that customers
should be prevented to defend their own interest and try to use fully their
owned hardware.
No, you're not. You're charged for the capacity of the
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snip
This is no different than bypassing the electric meter
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:48:09 -0400, Bob Shannon
bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:
IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed to zIIPs
For reference,
http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27
Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott
? blocks of licensed IBM software and it might
over a period of 12 months save you buying one additional CP?
Denis.
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On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 07:48 -0500, Alan Altmark wrote:
For reference,
http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27
Thanks for the attempt Alan, but I wonder how many of the unwashed
masses have access to that page.
Shane ...
In a message dated 7/17/2009 8:01:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
ibm-m...@tpg.com.au writes:
http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27
Thanks for the attempt Alan, but I wonder how many of the unwashed
masses have access to that page.
Haven't bathed today, but it
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Denis Gäbler denisgaeb...@netscape.netwrote:
Taking the electric meter example. What if I install solar electicity
panels? Am I stealing ressources and bypass the power companies meter? Am I
not allowed to use the electricity that the panels produce, just
I agree, the electrical meter sample with medical plug sounds reasonable, but
I unfortunatly I found it after posting my statement.
Denis.
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Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP
On Friday 17 July 2009, Alan Altmark wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:48:09 -0400, Bob Shannon
bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:
IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be
routed to zIIPs
For reference,
http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27
Bob Woodside ibm...@woodsway.com wrote in message
news:200907170929.54776.ibm...@woodsway.com...
On Friday 17 July 2009, Alan Altmark wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:48:09 -0400, Bob Shannon
bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:
IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be
.
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I agree, the electrical meter sample with medical plug sounds reasonable
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Denis Gäbler
denisgaeb
I think that we can provide many other analogies, but no of them is
really applicable.
Last, but not least: I'm pretty sure, that zPRIME creators thoroughly
checked legal issues at the early stage of the project. Maybe their
conclusion is disputable, but it's not as obvious as regular
In a message dated 7/17/2009 8:35:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
tbabo...@comcast.net writes:
was color dyed for obvious reasons. Occasionally a pickup truck would be
seen in town with a splash of reddish purple around the gas cap.
My grandad was having problems with borrowers of
the beginning of time.
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After all, customer are charged for software
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Back in the old days diesel fuel was sold to farmers, bulk delivered
to a
home tank, for tractor use only, cheaper and exempt from road use tax.
It
was color dyed for obvious reasons. Occasionally a pickup
Did anyone get chance to listen to these folks for their webinar on July 15
? Is there anything interesting ?
JAcky
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Denis Gdbler wrote:
Thats true, but recent lawsuits in the distributed area had no luck forcing
users to run only specific work on bought (owned) hardware, e.g. you can do
number crunching on graphic chips, which were initially only intended for
graphics work.
It would be interesting to see,
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:19:57 -0600, Roach, Dennis (N-GHG) wrote:
I have often wondered about the legality of turning other engines on on
an owned machine. They were delivered as part of what was bought, should
they be ours to do with as we please?
Sure feels that way. But it might void the
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:26:17 -0400, Bob Shannon
bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:
A complete set of PUs, 10, 12, 16 or whatever the current number is, is
shipped with the processor. If you pay for one should be able to hot-wire
the others so that you can use them? Specialty engines were sold to
On Friday 17 July 2009, Ed Finnell wrote:
In a message dated 7/17/2009 8:01:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
ibm-m...@tpg.com.au writes:
http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27
Thanks for the attempt Alan, but I wonder how many of the unwashed
masses have access to
On 17 Jul 2009 06:30:15 -0700,
ibm...@woodsway.com (Bob Woodside) wrote:
For reference,
http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27
This link appears borken. :-(
That may be an issue with your news reader or e-mail client. I follow
this mailing list via the newsgroup,
Eric Chevalier wrote:
On 17 Jul 2009 06:30:15 -0700,
ibm...@woodsway.com (Bob Woodside) wrote:
For reference,
http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27
This link appears borken. :-(
borken?
If I click on the link in Thunderbird, it switches to my
Firefox browser
Steve Comstock wrote:
borken?
If I click on the link in Thunderbird, it switches to my
Firefox browser with this in the URI bar:
http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%20HTTPD2.PT217.HTML%20INDEX%20%20#7792310775959509782
which results in 404 Page not found!!
Are you running old releases? When I
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:48:09 -0400, Bob Shannon
bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:
IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs
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Eric Chevalier wrote:
On 17 Jul 2009 06:30:15 -0700,
ibm
Edward Jaffe wrote:
Steve Comstock wrote:
borken?
If I click on the link in Thunderbird, it switches to my
Firefox browser with this in the URI bar:
http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%20HTTPD2.PT217.HTML%20INDEX%20%20#7792310775959509782
which results in 404 Page not found!!
Are you running
On Friday 17 July 2009, Steve Comstock wrote:
Eric Chevalier wrote:
On 17 Jul 2009 06:30:15 -0700,
ibm...@woodsway.com (Bob Woodside) wrote:
For reference,
http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27
This link appears borken. :-(
borken?
borken : adj
Lester, Bob wrote:
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Eric Chevalier wrote:
On 17 Jul 2009 06:30:15
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:44:40 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:
I'm using exactly those releases!
With or without the NoScript plugin? (I get the broken link when NoScript is
active/enabled).
Norbert Friemel
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Norbert Friemel wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:44:40 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:
I'm using exactly those releases!
With or without the NoScript plugin? (I get the broken link when NoScript is
active/enabled).
Norbert Friemel
Bingo! That's it. Thanks.
Kind regards,
-Steve Comstock
The
I have a concern about the zPRIME product. If the zXXP engines are for SRB
(pre-emptible) work, then my understanding is that the SRB cannot have any SVCs
save for OPEN. So I am wondering how the process could work when normal TCB
work would have SVCs it executes. Is there a way to determine
If the zXXP engines are for SRB (pre-emptible) work, then my understanding is
that the SRB cannot have any SVCs save for OPEN.
So I am wondering how the process could work when normal TCB work would have
SVCs it executes
I think you are confusing SRB's with SRB's. (8-{]}
The SRBs that are
Am I missing something here?
IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed to zIIPs,
but remember that a zIIP is really the same as a CP. It is capable of running
any work. It is entirely possible to hook MVS in a manner that will make a zIIP
eligible to run any work.
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I have a concern about the zPRIME product. If the zXXP
Don't forget that zPrime will make work dispatchable on a zIIP OR zAAP.
I rather doubt that they are turning your application into an enclave
SRB or JAVA.
One thing from the presentation was that SAS work was not compatible.
They threw out some numbers that 44% of CICS work and 84% of batch work
IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed
to zIIPs, but remember that a zIIP is really the same as a CP. It is
capable of running any work. It is entirely possible to hook MVS in a
manner that will make a zIIP eligible to run any work. Whether it's
legal to do that
Shane wrote:
IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed
to zIIPs, but remember that a zIIP is really the same as a CP. It is
capable of running any work. It is entirely possible to hook MVS in a
manner that will make a zIIP eligible to run any work. Whether it's
legal
Richard Peurifoy wrote:
Shane wrote:
IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed
to zIIPs, but remember that a zIIP is really the same as a CP. It is
capable of running any work. It is entirely possible to hook MVS in a
manner that will make a zIIP eligible to run any
Hmmm... SAS makes heavy use of self-modifying code. Is that a clue?
db
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One thing from the presentation was that SAS work was not
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Of course, now that the cat is out of the bag, since this is not a GUPI,
expect Big Blue to change something
Thank you for that whitepaper link. Very informative and enligntening.
Peter
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informative and enligntening.
Peter
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Here is a link to a whitepaper from CA
: McKown, John [mailto:jmck...@healthmarkets.com]
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Some people seem to think they are going to get something for nothing. IBM
provides specialty engines for limited purposes. Does anyone really believe
they will purchase a specialty engine at reduced cost and then be able use it
to run unlimited work? Specialty engines do not count against
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Some people seem to think they are going to get something for
nothing
We came up with a way to make this type of processing work without the IBM
API (there wasn't one then) as a coding exercise a little over 5 years ago
to try to use free IFL's. We originally developed it for our own code to
use and one of the people here wondered if it were possible to extend the
From zPrime press release
NEON zPrime is 100 percent compliant with IBM specifications, rules
and conditions for System z processor access to assure a seamless
environment that makes IMS, CICS, TSO/ISPF, DB2, batch jobs and NEON
IMS utilities workloads eligible for processing on zIIPs or
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:05:44 +1000, Shane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote:
I can't be the only (non-ISV) customer sysprog that has thought I
wonder how that works - might be handy here. Pity none of us has the
spare time and machinery to have a play.
Shane
No you are not the only one big grin
Bruno
I simply cannot see how IBM or any other ISV's will not challenge this.
It clearly is not what IBM intended, and other ISV's could lose revenue
if customers buy specialty engines, and reduce GP's. Or worse yet,
ISV's will just start charging you for capacity based on ZxxP's along
with GP's,
Agreed. This has lawsuit written all over it.
Simply my opinion and not necessarily that of my employer.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Jousma, David david.jou...@53.com wrote:
I simply cannot see how IBM or any other ISV's will not challenge this.
It clearly is not what IBM intended, and
Of course, now that the cat is out of the bag, since this is not a GUPI,
expect Big Blue to change something so it will no longer work!
Isn't there something in the licensing that preclude reverse
engineering?
snip
From zPrime press release
NEON zPrime is 100 percent compliant with IBM
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snip
I can't be the only (non-ISV) customer sysprog that has thought I
Isn't there something in the licensing that preclude reverse
engineering?
Strictly speaking you don't need to reverse engineer anything - the
Linux crowd proved that with SMB and the TiVo. I sat in on a talk by the
folks that did both - smart bastards then Aussies ...
Treat it like a black box
Isn't there a requirement that you have at least as many regular CPs as the
total of ziip and zaap engines? I don't think you can buy just one regular
engine, and then have say 4 ziips zaaps or whatever.
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434
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Isn't there a requirement that you have at least as many
regular CPs
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Isn't there a requirement that you have at least as many regular CPs
as the
total of ziip and zaap engines? I don't think you can buy just one
regular
engine, and then have say 4 ziips zaaps or
: Re: Offload work to ziip
Isn't there a requirement that you have at least as many regular CPs as
the
total of ziip and zaap engines? I don't think you can buy just one
regular
engine, and then have say 4 ziips zaaps or whatever.
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In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:22:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
david.jou...@53.com writes:
you cut that in half to 5 GP's, and buy 5 ZxxP's. You probably more
than cut your software bill in half.
Unless IBM decides that if you have this configuration you're charged at
full rate for
Finnell
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In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:22:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
david.jou...@53.com writes:
you cut that in half to 5 GP's, and buy 5 ZxxP's. You probably more
than cut your software bill
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:34:17 -0500, McKown, John jmck...@healthmarkets.com
wrote:
True: sum(zIIPS)+sum(zAAPs) = sum(CPs).
I am wondering if I could have, say, 4 CPs, 2 zIIPS, and 2 zAAPs and then
make an LPAR which only has 1 CP, but all four of the speciality engines.
How about an LPAR with all
I'm not saying it is right. But this is the Pandora's box that Neon
seems to be opening. In reality, a large company would most likely be
much more subtle, and add additional capacity as ZxxP engines instead of
GP's, and stay under the radar so to speak.
Interesting discussion. A few bit-wise
In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:36:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
david.jou...@53.com writes:
I'm not saying it is right. But this is the Pandora's box that Neon
seems to be opening. In reality, a large company would most likely be
Idle speculation 'til the suits sort it out.
Kline martin.kl...@yrcw.com
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I'm not saying it is right. But this is the Pandora's box that Neon
seems to be opening. In reality, a large company would most likely
Have some one installed already this product?
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In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:36
This was called NALC (New Application License Charge) which was meant to
ease the pain of adding a lot of MIPS for a specific application
(generally a hog) like SAP, PeopleSoft, and the like. Only certain
applications/work was acceptable and you were not allowed to run a
'classic' workload
Hello Listers
I recently read some press releases talking about Neon Zprime
http://www.neonesoft.com/solutions/zprime.shtm
From what i understand, they claim that they can move some of the workload
to ziip thus reducing some of the software costs
Although i understand the idea, i do not understand
Bruno,
My understanding is if the software is using pre-emptable SRBs then the work
can be moved to a zIIP engine. We have Shadow Direct and it is using zIIPs.
I am not sure how much technical specs you are looking for on zIIP. The
Vendor may not tell you all of his/her secrets in using
But zPrime claims to be able to move CICS, TSO/ISPF, Batch to zIIP/zAAP.
In other words, work that was not natively capable of running on
zIIP/zAAP.
Not sure how they do it but if it works as stated it could be a big $$
saver.
zPRIME is a new product and is not the same as Shadow.
Ken
But zPrime claims to be able to move CICS, TSO/ISPF, Batch to zIIP/zAAP.
In other words, work that was not natively capable of running on
zIIP/zAAP.
In my opinion this would violate the license agreement for the zIIP interface.
In addition to the written agreement, vendors were told that the
Lizette,
I basically know how it works in a standard way, when the code is written to
branch and run on zIIP or zAAP
But what is claimed here is they can move existing workload to run on a zIIP CP.
And of course you may save millions ( that's what they claim )
That would be a pretty
Bruno,
I think that Bob Shannon's comments are very interesting in relationship to
this. That vendors were told the API could not be used to redirect work. So
is it possible the Neon is using another process to relocate work? Or are they
using a grey area to use the API? I am not sure and
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Lizette,
I basically know how it works in a standard way, when
Almost as funny as the title of a book that I saw out of the corner of my eye:
Eating Dinosaurs. It was really Eating Disorders. I was going to buy it
until I saw the real title.
There's an old book out there about Pandas.
Pandas: Eats Shoots and Leaves
Which a lot of people read as:
Eats,
Sorry, that was supposed to be a private E-Mail.
D*mn BlackBerry!
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
-Original Message-
From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:57:22
To: IBM Mainframe Discussion Listibm-main@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Offload work to ziip
Almost
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:48:14 -0500, McKown, John jmck...@healthmarkets.com
wrote:
Your European date of 15/07 (07/15 here in the US) amused me for an instant
because at first glance I read it like a US person (since I am) as the 7th
day of the 15th month. Which would be never. I'm easily amused,
Ive worked with many ISVs, but typically NDAs are signed and I am not
allowed to even disclose a relationship exists. I have been consulting with
Neon Enterprise Systems in relation to zPrime. I am an independent expert
and the information in this IBM-Main posting is no longer under my NDA.
Neon
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:33:06 -0500, Al Sherkow a...@sherkow.com wrote:
Ive worked with many ISVs, but typically NDAs are signed and I am not
allowed to even disclose a relationship exists. I have been consulting with
Neon Enterprise Systems in relation to zPrime. I am an independent expert
and
In a message dated 7/1/2009 11:34:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
oldti...@wanadoo.fr writes:
So that means zAAP engines as well
Sounds great
Wonder what it does to your bill? If you run non-specialty work on
a specialty processor-interesting.
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