Re: Local Page dataset sizing/quantity ROT?

2014-01-07 Thread Art Gutowski
On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 12:44:42 -0500, Rob Schramm rob.schr...@gmail.com wrote: Does it really matter as much as it used to? The amount of cache on a dasd subsystem and overall i/o seems more relevant for paging spikes. Not that i am advocating a complete dismissal of all the normal

Re: Innovating an old IMS 3270-based application

2014-01-07 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Timothy Sipples wrote: 1A. Users want Web-based access, OK. May I assume that means (or could soon mean) mobile as well (iPads, Android devices, and so on)? Can you do SSL connection on those toys? [1] [1] - I have a free TN3270 client [2] on my iPhone 5 and connected it via a SSL port using

Re: Innovating an old IMS 3270-based application

2014-01-07 Thread Denis Gäbler
Hi, Another idea is to implement a VPN Gateway. So the mobile device connect to the VPN Gateway via certificates. The VPN connection would be encrypted. There are solutions by companies which could be a manditory app install on the mobile devices for monitoring what is installed there and

Re: Scary Sysprogs

2014-01-07 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Nathan (and maybe any other youngster) I think if you have some problem, you will get every support from this newsgroup list , and if you need, personally from me also. Glad to see young people here. On 06.01.2014 19:44, Nathan J Pfister wrote: Harry has a good point. I am a 26 year old

Re: Scary Sysprogs

2014-01-07 Thread Ron Hawkins
All, My history with z/OS is more about performance and tuning, rather than hardcore sysprogging. Tuning is almost always about doing it a new way, and I only wish there were more newbies in this field with no preconceived ideas about how it has always worked. Back when I was not Mr Congeniality

Re: Local Page dataset sizing/quantity ROT?

2014-01-07 Thread Ron Hawkins
Rob, You are correct, writes are done to cache or NVS are very fast until the dirty cache full threshold is hit. Then writes are done to cache are done very slowly. If you don't have paging in its own cache partition then other host writes are delayed. Paging IO used to be the cache IO from

Re: Innovating an old IMS 3270-based application

2014-01-07 Thread David Crayford
Some good solutions there Denis. Although for modern web services EJBs are a little bit bloated. It would be much better to have a lightweight framework like Spring. It seems to me that the mainframe (z/OS) is seriously lagging behind on that front. The whole SOA SOAP/WSDL approach is

Re: SMF (was: REXX tutorial)

2014-01-07 Thread David Crayford
On 4/01/2014 7:15 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: One possibility: an XML document with a grammar that included elements for each data type used by SMF records, including dates, timestamps, triplet defined structures, etc. You could then have utilities or XSL style sheets that generated language

Re: Innovating an old IMS 3270-based application

2014-01-07 Thread Mark Hammond
You might want to put this issue to the IMS list. im...@imslistserv.bmc.com Mark Hammond -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sanya Off Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 3:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: Innovating an old IMS 3270-based application

2014-01-07 Thread Mark Hammond
I also work for a legacy migration company. Please feel free to contact me offline. Mark Hammond -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mitch Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: Innovating an old IMS 3270-based application

2014-01-07 Thread David Andrews
On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 16:56 -0500, Sanya Off wrote: I wonder if some of you may share the experience and opinions with regards to approaching a grand task of making an old IMS-based monster application more friendlier to users and developers: We use Rocket's Legasuite screen scraper. (And do

JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Juan Mautalen
Hi:   I have a question regarding JCL and date variables. I need to run a job daily, whose output must be written to a partitionned dataset with a member name referring to the day before job execution.   Example: If the job runs today, january 7 of 2014, it must create the member F140106 ( and

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread גדי בן אבי
As far as know, this is not possible using only JCL. You will have to use a separate job to either create the full job, or a small section that will be included. Any job scheduler will be able to do this easily. Gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Charles Mills
You could do it with a Rexx script that built the JCL and then submitted it. You could do it with a front-end written in assembler, or probably Rexx or COBOL, that created the file name in program logic, dynamically allocated it, and then called your existing processing program. But no, there is

Re: Scary Sysprogs and educating those 'kids'....

2014-01-07 Thread Daniel Skwire
Amen, Chris. Great point. I remember a colleague of mine, at IBM, in 1972, new to her job in the programming center, as I was in the the Project Office, who told me: there is so much stuff left in the operating system ( her department was the FLIHs, the first level interrupt handlers) from

Re: zOS server REXX CGI problem

2014-01-07 Thread Steve Comstock
On 12/28/2013 5:42 AM, Steve Comstock wrote: On 12/28/2013 4:42 AM, jan de decker wrote: Hi list, I corrected the errors that Steve found but to no avail. The structure of the file system on the HTTP server is /jedsp/web/pub underneath are directories for cgi, css and images The HTML is

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Tony Babonas
Years ago I created an application that somewhat resembled your requirement. I had to read a file that contained various values and write each variable value as a PDSE member whose member name reflected that value. I used DFSORT to create an 'include' member of DD cards containing the

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Scott Barry
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 06:09:37 -0800, Juan Mautalen jgmauta...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: Hi: � I have a question regarding JCL and date variables. I need to run a job daily, whose output must be written to a partitionned dataset with a member name referring to the day before job execution. � Example:

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Juan Mautalen wrote: I have a question regarding JCL and date variables. I need to run a job daily, whose output must be written to a partitionned dataset with a member name referring to the day before job execution. Can you not use automation software? Control-M and others, for example, can

Re: Scary Sysprogs and educating those 'kids'....

2014-01-07 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Daniel Skwire wrote: with Carol S. Carol Srna? She was active on IBM-MAIN some time ago. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Scary Sysprogs and educating those 'kids'....

2014-01-07 Thread David Crayford
On 07/01/2014, at 6:57 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org wrote: The first step to successful diagnosing and repair of a software failure is to be certain it IS a software issue and not some random hardware glitch. This is made more difficult in the Intel world by the very thing that makes

Re: Scary Sysprogs and educating those 'kids'....

2014-01-07 Thread Dan Skwire
No, sorry, not Carol Srna. I don't know her. But which Carol S. is not nearly as important as recognizing the desire by the kids to 'clean up that old stuff' with 'something better', not realizing that working code (that is documented and whose source code is available, and is still

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 06:09:37 -0800, Juan Mautalen wrote: � Example: If the job runs today, january 7 of 2014, it must create�the member�F140106 ( and not F140107). That is because the job processes information from the day before (and not from the day it is indeed running). � Is there a way to

Re: Scary Sysprogs and educating those 'kids'....

2014-01-07 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Dan Skwire wrote: No, sorry, not Carol Srna. I don't know her. Oh, ok. Sorry for wasting your precious time. I was just wondering. But which Carol S. is not nearly as important as recognizing the desire by the kids to 'clean up that old stuff' with 'something better', not realizing that

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
As mentioned by others, you must write such a feature yourself. We have this as follows: - Each day a member is created in proclib that contains a large number of SET statements, with all possible date variations required by production jobs. - Each production job contains an // INCLUDE

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Sorry for the bad JCL example, this asks for last month's SMF data. Kees. -Original Message- From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 16:32 To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: RE: JCL and date variables As mentioned by others, you must write such a feature

Re: Scary Sysprogs

2014-01-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 50b183ed-12c8-4404-915c-4ce8217f2...@yahoo.com, on 01/06/2014 at 03:54 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: I agree, a lot of the young kids don't want to dig thru doc , research or learn how hardware and software work. Sure, but is it a higher percentage than for the older folks?

Re: TSO FULL SCREEN MODE UNDER ISPF

2014-01-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 20140106191027.17d7b33...@panix2.panix.com, on 01/06/2014 at 02:10 PM, Don Poitras poit...@pobox.com said: Sure it does. No; you're giving the right answer to the wrong question. From the help file: That confirms what Hank and I wrote. Specifically, However, when you invoke SDSF as a TSO

Re: Innovating an old IMS 3270-based application

2014-01-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cajb5jbtq_vynhg012mbaqvk4sfy+uwuehprfqvbx7hty4zi...@mail.gmail.com, on 01/06/2014 at 04:56 PM, Sanya Off sanya...@gmail.com said: I wonder if some of you may share the experience and opinions with regards to approaching a grand task of making an old IMS-based monster application more

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Roberts, John J
Try doing this: (1) Run a job that does nothing except dynamically construct the JCL for the real job. The jobstep would get the system date and then do the date subtraction to calculate the member name. The generated JCL would then be submitted via the internal reader. (2) The dynamically

Re: Scary Sysprogs and educating those 'kids'....

2014-01-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
dcrayf...@gmail.com (David Crayford) writes: Is that still the case today? Even cheap x86 blades have machine check architecture which can signal software on hardware failures. It must be over a decade or so since IBM started stuffing mainframe quality RAM modules into x86 servers, chipkill

Re: Scary Sysprogs and educating those 'kids'....

2014-01-07 Thread Scott Ford
I agree with Joel. PC based platforms in my experience has been very hardware error prone, maybe due to the components. Like Joel, I haven't seen a hardware failure in the Z/OS world since the 70s. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:59 AM, David Crayford

Progarm Directory for z/OS 1.13

2014-01-07 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi Searching for the program directory for z/OS 1.13. Any standard place or naming convention for this ? -- Kind regards, / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Miklos Szigetvari Research Development ISIS Papyrus Europe AG Alter Wienerweg 12, A-2344 Maria Enzersdorf, Austria T: +43(2236) 27551 333, F:

Re: Scary Sysprogs

2014-01-07 Thread Scott Ford
Agreed, but they also have work ethic and desire Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On Jan 6, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 50b183ed-12c8-4404-915c-4ce8217f2...@yahoo.com, on 01/06/2014 at 03:54 PM, Scott Ford

Re: Progarm Directory for z/OS 1.13

2014-01-07 Thread Lizette Koehler
Would this link work? http://www-05.ibm.com/e-business/linkweb/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US FNC=SRXPBL=GI10-0670-13 Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Miklos Szigetvari Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014

Re: Progarm Directory for z/OS 1.13

2014-01-07 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
On 07.01.2014 17:17, Lizette Koehler wrote: http://www-05.ibm.com/e-business/linkweb/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US FNC=SRXPBL=GI10-0670-13 Yes super, thank you Lizette and Happy New Year -- Kind regards, / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Miklos Szigetvari Research Development ISIS Papyrus

Re: TSO FULL SCREEN MODE UNDER ISPF

2014-01-07 Thread Micheal Butz
I need to have a TGET To have a full screen TPUT to display Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 20140106191027.17d7b33...@panix2.panix.com, on 01/06/2014 at 02:10 PM, Don Poitras poit...@pobox.com said:

Online CPU upgrade with ...downgrade

2014-01-07 Thread R.S.
The following scenario: machine 2817-607 is planned to be upgraded to model 2817-706. It is CPU power upgrade in terms of MSU or MIPS, but it is also reduction of # of CPUs by one. So, in some sense it will be deactivation of one of the CPs. It is quite obvious that LPAR using *this one* CP

Re: Scary Sysprogs and educating those 'kids'....

2014-01-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: slight topic drift ... Why Programmers Work At Night http://www.businessinsider.com/why-programmers-work-at-night-2013-1 and old post with Real Programmers Don't Eat Quiche http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#31 Real Programmers never work 9

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Sri h Kolusu
Juan, If you are comfortable submitting the job to INTRDR then the following DFSORT JCL will generate the dynamic JCL. verify the output from step0100 and if everything looks good then , change the following statement //SORTOUT DD SYSOUT=* to //SORTOUT DD SYSOUT=(*,INTRDR),RECFM=FB This

Re: LOGSTREAM data set RM.METADATA

2014-01-07 Thread Nathan J Pfister
Might want to start here: http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.zos.r12.iean100%2Flgspec.htm Thanks; Nathan Pfister zOS Systems Programmer AES\PHEAA - Tech Services From: Fred Kaptein fred.kapt...@hp.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date:

Re: Online CPU upgrade with ...downgrade

2014-01-07 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 17:45:35 +0100, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: The following scenario: machine 2817-607 is planned to be upgraded to model 2817-706. It is CPU power upgrade in terms of MSU or MIPS, but it is also

LOGSTREAM data set RM.METADATA

2014-01-07 Thread Fred Kaptein
Hello, I am looking where the logstream definitions are for the RRS logstream data sets. In particular, I am looking for the definitions for RM.METADATA, including what the size should be for STG_SIZE and LS_SIZE Thank you.

Re: Local Page dataset sizing/quantity ROT?

2014-01-07 Thread Rob Schramm
I haven't looked before asking this question (cardinal sin perhaps), but the thread on stand alone dump performance made me wonder if there is a performance guideline for number of page data sets. The last number i recall was minimum of 6 with no more than 2 on a volume. Rob Schramm On Jan 7,

Darren seems to be alive but....

2014-01-07 Thread Ed Gould
All: Darren seems to be alive but it isn't clear who is in charge. So no real answer to the original question is not answered. Thanks for whoever suggested that Darren be contacted. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

Scary, because aged sysprogs

2014-01-07 Thread John Gilmore
I am not persuaded that age is the fundamental issue here. Age disparities can be valuable. Whitehead's much quoted rationale, The justification for a university is that it preserves the connection between knowledge and the zest for life, by uniting the young and the old in the imaginative

Re: Scary, because aged sysprogs

2014-01-07 Thread Scott Ford
John, You agree it's work ethic and willingness to learn ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On Jan 7, 2014, at 1:08 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: I am not persuaded that age is the fundamental issue here. Age disparities can be valuable. Whitehead's much

Re: SMF (was: REXX tutorial)

2014-01-07 Thread Scott Ford
Charles, We wrote a Top-Secret cfile to XML file converter. The DSECT utility you mentioned gives me more ideas.. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On Jan 3, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Yeah, and world peace, too. g On a more serious note, you

Re: Scary, because aged sysprogs

2014-01-07 Thread Duffy
For once I can say about John Gilmore's statement. Well put. Duffy Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2014, at 10:08 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: I am not persuaded that age is the fundamental issue here. Age disparities can be valuable. Whitehead's much quoted rationale, The

Re: Darren seems to be alive but....

2014-01-07 Thread Scott Ford
I wished someone could explain the HUGE delay I see in my messages posting Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On Jan 7, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote: All: Darren seems to be alive but it isn't clear who is in charge. So no real answer to

Re: Online CPU upgrade with ...downgrade

2014-01-07 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
Radoslaw, Do any LPARs have dedicated CPs or are the CPs all shared? I've done what you describe on a machine with several LPARs, but none with dedicated CPs. Do any LPARs have the same number of logical processors defined as physical processors installed? In our case (504 to 703 and back

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Chris Hoelscher
I'm just thinking out loud here ... Create the dataset under some generic name - and then in the last? step run a utility to rename to the desired final dsn ??? Idcams? Iehprogm ? Where the input to the utility is run-time creatable Chris hoelscher Technology Architect | Database

Re: IPL Issue

2014-01-07 Thread John Eells
If you are running a very old level of IMS that still requires DFSMRCL0 (aka Mr. Clean), my suggestion would be to add a library to the very end of the link list that contains a copy of IEFBR14 renamed to DFSMRCL0. On systems with IMS, the real DFSMRCL0 in RESLIB will be found in the link

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Ed Finnell
ISPF has had File tailoring for 3 decades. Symbolic variables, arithmetic expressions, boolean logic, MODEL templates. Oh well, G.O.F's down and dirty In a message dated 1/7/2014 1:45:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, choelsc...@humana.com writes: Create the dataset under some generic

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Mark Jacobs
There's an IEFUJV exit available on www.cbttape.org (sorry, I don't remember the file number), that performs symbolic substitution in batch jobs, including mathematical operations on date fields. An example is; // SET LASTWEEK=ZJDATE-7. This Will Give You The Julian Date For One Week Ago From

Re: JCL and date variables

2014-01-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 15:04:47 -0500, Mark Jacobs wrote: There's an IEFUJV exit available on www.cbttape.org (sorry, I don't remember the file number), that performs symbolic substitution in batch jobs, including mathematical operations on date fields. An example is; // SET LASTWEEK=ZJDATE-7. This

Re: Darren seems to be alive but....

2014-01-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 14:07:19 -0500, Scott Ford wrote: I wished someone could explain the HUGE delay I see in my messages posting I can't. I post usually from the Web; intermittently by email. In either case, the message usually appears before I can refresh my browser screen. Looking at the

Re: Darren seems to be alive but....

2014-01-07 Thread Tony Harminc
On 7 January 2014 16:37, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: Why is LISTSERV sending me duplicate message complaints? It's been doing this with/for/to me consistently for a number of weeks. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Darren seems to be alive but....

2014-01-07 Thread Mike Schwab
The NSA email duplication is creating a second path from the sender to the listserv. When the second one arrives it is discarded. On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: On 7 January 2014 16:37, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: Why is LISTSERV sending me

Device for VIO in IODF

2014-01-07 Thread Skip Robinson
Since ancient times we have associated our in-house VIO esoteric ('VIODA' for some reason) with a group of arbitrary devices. For decades SMS has actually managed VIO requests. The defined devices were physically removed a while back, but we only just now removed them from IODF. Now HCD warns

Re: Scary Sysprogs and educating those 'kids'....

2014-01-07 Thread David Crayford
On 8/01/2014 12:05 AM, Scott Ford wrote: I agree with Joel. PC based platforms in my experience has been very hardware error prone, maybe due to the components. Like Joel, I haven't seen a hardware failure in the Z/OS world since the 70s. I've seen quite a few hardware failures on

Re: Darren seems to be alive but....

2014-01-07 Thread Scott Ford
Same here Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: On 7 January 2014 16:37, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: Why is LISTSERV sending me duplicate message complaints? It's been doing this with/for/to me

Re: Scary Sysprogs and educating those 'kids'....

2014-01-07 Thread Ed Gould
David: This goes back to the late 70's. We had a 168MP that after installation got intermittent S0C4's. It seemed related to load of the system. The CE diagnostic's couldn't find a thing. One of our sysprogs wrote a reasonably S0C4 proof program (It did a load and delete of IEF21WSD

Hardware failures (was Re: Scary Sysprogs ...)

2014-01-07 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Scott Ford wrote: Like Joel, I haven't seen a hardware failure in the Z/OS world since the 70s. Lucky you. I wrote on IBM-MAIN in May/June 2013 about Channel Errors which caused SMF damage amongst other problems. These channel errors were caused by bad optic cables and some directors/routers.

Re: Darren seems to be alive but....

2014-01-07 Thread Ron Hawkins
Ed, You're original question to the list, and I quote verbatim: Is the owner of IBM-MAIN alive or dead? Darren's first sentence in his response: Yes, Ed, I'm still alive. What part of your original question was not answered? Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion