IBM C and Cobol Threading question

2014-05-08 Thread Tom Ross
I have written a C program using threads and have a question. I have an ext= ernal message table that I need to be persistent between threads. The mess= age table is loaded from an external QSAM file. Program in Cobol loads the = table. I want to be able to use the message table in other threads.

Re: Good News: Introducing Mobile Workload Pricing (MWP) for z/OS

2014-05-08 Thread R.S.
Fundamental question: How can the tool recognize which transactions are mobile? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z

EZZ9308E UNRESPONSIVE NAME SERVER

2014-05-08 Thread גדי בן אבי
Hi, Once in a while we receive this series of messages: 14128 13:58:52.67 STC17917 0090 *EZZ9308E UNRESPONSIVE NAME SERVER DETECTED AT IP ADDRESS x.x.x.x 14128 13:58:52.67 STC17917 0090 EZZ9310I NAME SERVER x.x.x.x 409 409 0090 TOTAL NUMBER OF QUERIES

Re: Mainframe (in general) running at 100% not always a bad thing

2014-05-08 Thread Scott Chapman
I agree that getting an exact 100% average over multiple minutes is going to be somewhat unlikely. But we can get close. From RMF's Partition Data Report: --- PHYSICAL PROCESSORS --- LPAR MGMT EFFECTIVE TOTAL 0.02 8.60 8.62 0.12 78.81 78.93 0.05 11.53 11.58

Re: EZZ9308E UNRESPONSIVE NAME SERVER

2014-05-08 Thread Roger Lowe
Gadi, Have a look at the Comms Server IP Diagnosis Guide http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.zos.r12.hald001%2Fstepmesre.htm Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: IBM C and Cobol Threading question

2014-05-08 Thread Scott Ford
Tom, Thank you very much, I appreciate the clarification, I thought this was how threading worked with Cobol but wanted to make sure. Regards, Scott From: Tom Ross Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎May‎ ‎8‎, ‎2014 ‎2‎:‎02‎ ‎AM To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List I have written a C program using

Re: Mainframe (in general) running at 100% not always a bad thing

2014-05-08 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ted MacNEIL wrote: I've worked for a bank and a wholesaler that both routinely ran at 100%. Service levels were met, but people were always griping about the usage. As John said, no harm no foul. Agreed. Over the years we see the CPU Utilization graphs as follow (from midnight to next

Re: EZZ9308E UNRESPONSIVE NAME SERVER

2014-05-08 Thread Keith Smith
I have had the same problem. I am sure it is network related but my network folks say nothing has changed... to that I say... why did it just start occurring without any change anywhere. I was forced to add: RESOLVERTIMEOUT 10 UNRESPONSIVETHRESHOLD(85) Note that your current level of failure is

Re: z/OS FTPS Client Linux FTP server

2014-05-08 Thread Donald J.
Kevin is right about the complete chain. I issued this openssl command: openssl s_client -connect ftp.s390.mainline.com:21 -starttls ftp -tls1 -CAfile gd-class2-root.crt and got error: Verify return code: 21 (unable to verify the first certificate) I created a cacerts file with both the

Re: EZZ9308E UNRESPONSIVE NAME SERVER

2014-05-08 Thread Keith Smith
I left off the and I have doubled the amount of time that it gathers attempts to calculate the percentage *and the time it allows for an attempt to be considered a failure.* On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Keith Smith keith.sm...@shawinc.com wrote: I have had the same problem. I am sure it

Re: Good News: Introducing Mobile Workload Pricing (MWP) for z/OS

2014-05-08 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-05-08 12:44, Shane Ginnane pisze: Oh joy, just what we all need, yet another pricing model. Timothy offered his rendition - I wonder how much extra business it will generate for people like Al and Cheryl. Well, I was first customer of WLC and we are (were) very happy of that

Re: REXX EDIT of Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5630949866383476.wa.butlerjus.ibm@listserv.ua.edu, on 05/06/2014 at 01:14 PM, Jon Butler butl...@us.ibm.com said: I have a problem where I need to Edit/view source code to vet it for compliance to corporate standards. With what RECFM? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and

Re: Mainframe (in general) running at 100% not always a bad thing

2014-05-08 Thread Bob Shannon
I used to work at an insurance company that refused to add capacity. When we ran quarterly processing, later changed to monthly processing, the machine was pegged for a day or two. We couldn't do any testing because production sucked up all of the resources. The processor and software

Re: Mainframe (in general) running at 100% not always a bad thing

2014-05-08 Thread Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM
I would add: and test work suffered because your goals were set so. z/OS will always do what you tell it to do b.m.o. your goal definitions. This is quite different from other platforms, that already start doing problematic above 30%. I have seen Linux machines being reboot, because even the

Re: Mainframe (in general) running at 100% not always a bad thing

2014-05-08 Thread Martin Packer
Interesting: I suspect that nowadays the words only testing or only development will play differently. It's my contention that increasingly getting function out the door is part of a company's attempt to compete. I wonder how many companies will be able to defer Development / Test going

Re: EZZ9308E UNRESPONSIVE NAME SERVER

2014-05-08 Thread Staller, Allan
It *IS* definitely a DNS request. Tracking it down to the requestor will be some hard work. This is RESOLVER telling you it was unable to contact the designated DNS with the defined time period. As other have stated, there are some knobs that can be turned to reduce the frequency of this

Re: System z StackExchange proposal

2014-05-08 Thread zMan
I'm not *opposed* to the idea, but you might want to suggest why this is somehow better than IBM-MAIN (plus archives). One view says This would fragment the community, which would NOT be a good thing. On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Christopher Hodgins chris.hodg...@uk.ibm.com wrote: Hi all,

Just a Question On Texting

2014-05-08 Thread George Rodriguez
Is there a program that can text a phone, just like XMITIP? *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *IT Enterprise Applications* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-251* *West Palm

Re: Just a Question On Texting

2014-05-08 Thread Burrell, C. Todd (CDC/OCOO/OCIO/ITSO) (CTR)
Couldn't you just use SMTP and send an email to the phone? We used something like that and then just sent an email to xxx...@vtext.com for Verizon phones and it worked fine (as long as SMTP is running). Todd Burrell, PMP, ITIL Expert, CISSP | Project Manager | ITSO AHB | Centers for

Re: Just a Question On Texting

2014-05-08 Thread zMan
Yes, all the cell providers support email-to-text. Google email to text or vtext messaging,sprintpcs.com (no quotes) will likely find it (since I know offhand that those are the domains for Verizon and Sprint, so that'll likely find a page with the rest). On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Burrell,

Re: Just a Question On Texting

2014-05-08 Thread John McKown
We use XMITIP to do that very thing. But it works by sending a email to a email-to-SMS-text gateway server in the cloud somewhere. Basically we send the email from z/OS to our MS Exchange email server with a name. The MS Exchange server transforms that name into something like:

Re: Use SORT to manipulate a CSV?

2014-05-08 Thread Kirk Talman
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU wrote on 05/07/2014 12:36:00 PM: From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com On Wed, 7 May 2014 12:28:25 -0400, Bill Ashton wrote: ... The file is a VB file with LRECL=0 and BLKSIZE=4096. ... ??? If you ask the wrong question, the

Re : Setting A SLIP For A Program Running Under CICS.

2014-05-08 Thread Jim Thomas
Hello, I am trying to set a SLIP for a transaction (program) that runs under CICS and having no luck. I have tried searching but have not run across any useful information thus far. Could somebody either point me to where I can read up on setting an IF SLIP for a CICS program or tell me

Re: System z StackExchange proposal

2014-05-08 Thread Christopher Hodgins
Hi zMan, I've been answering similar points in the CICS-L mailing list, so I'll link you to the full discussion in the archives below. To briefly summarise though, the mailing lists are awesome and this isn't an attempt to fragment the community. It's an attempt to reach out to potentially new

Re: IBM C and Cobol Threading question

2014-05-08 Thread John McKown
Tom, Looking here: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/igy3pg31/4.4 quote For the data that you want to isolate to an individual program invocation instance, define the data in the LOCAL-STORAGE SECTION. In general, this choice is appropriate for working data in threaded

Re: IBM C and Cobol Threading question

2014-05-08 Thread Jon Perryman
I personally would STRONGLY discourage this implementation. You're not the only one in your environment. Why not do it correctly and allocate from shared storage pool. Use either C's or assemblers implementation. Remember if you do it once, someone else will think this clever and use it

IPCS Linkage Stack on z/OS 2.1

2014-05-08 Thread Tom Marchant
I have just noticed that IPCS option 2.4 does not format Linkage Stack entries under z/OS 2.1. All I get is this: LINKAGE STACK ENTRY 00 FROM TCB. LSED: 7F773010 LSEH: 7F773000 FNXT. BSEA. TYPE. 89

Re: Just a Question On Texting

2014-05-08 Thread George Rodriguez
​Thanks... It works perfectly! I'm using XMITIP with the phone #... *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *IT Enterprise Applications* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-251* *West

Re: Just a Question On Texting

2014-05-08 Thread George Rodriguez
​Thanks... It works perfectly! I'm using XMITIP with the phone #@ messaging.sprintpcs.com since that's who we use... *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *IT Enterprise Applications* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach

Re: z/OS FTPS Client Linux FTP server

2014-05-08 Thread Mark Pace
I assume it's complete - I don't see an obvious error. Digital certificate information for CERTAUTH: Label: Go Daddy Class 2 Certificate ID: 2QiJmZmDhZmjgceWQMSBhISoQMOTgaKiQPJA Status: TRUST Start Date: 2004/06/29 13:06:20 End Date: 2034/06/29 13:06:20 Serial Number: 00

Re: IPCS Linkage Stack on z/OS 2.1

2014-05-08 Thread Bob Shannon
I have just noticed that IPCS option 2.4 does not format Linkage Stack entries under z/OS 2.1 I believe you are picking up an old Parmlib version of IEAVIPCS. Sorry but we didn’t document well what we changed. Bob Shannon Rocket Software

Re: z/OS FTPS Client Linux FTP server

2014-05-08 Thread Donald J.
The root cert is all that should be needed on the z/OS side, if linux side is set up correctly. But as mentioned in my last email, it doesn't look like the linux side cert file is complete. Your server cert is issued by a GoDaddy intermediate cert, which is issued by a GoDaddy root cert. I

Re: Is it possible to have ADRDSSU dump/copy output files directly onto z/OS USS files ?

2014-05-08 Thread Staller, Allan
Don't know if it is doable, but should be easy to test. . . . //OUTDD DD PATHOPS (and other appropriate parameters). //SYSIN DD * * Dump/copy ds() OUTDD(OUTDD).. /* Then attempt to copy/restore from hfs/zfs/nfs archive for verification. HTH, snipSubject: Is it possible to have

Re: IPCS Linkage Stack on z/OS 2.1

2014-05-08 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 8 May 2014 14:36:22 +, Bob Shannon wrote: I believe you are picking up an old Parmlib version of IEAVIPCS. Thanks, Bob. That was it. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Is it possible to have ADRDSSU dump/copy output files directly onto z/OS USS files ?

2014-05-08 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
We have this kind of modification , it is in CBT 880. On 08.05.2014 16:38, Tsai Laurence wrote: Dears , as the subject , any resolution ? need to have the output file placed onto z/OS USS environment . So that I can using z/OS NFS client to store those backup output files onto remote servers.

Re: IBM C and Cobol Threading question

2014-05-08 Thread Scott Ford
John, As always my friend excellent points. I have a follow on question can you pass a created user heap from thread to thread ?? Regards, Scott From: John McKown Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎May‎ ‎8‎, ‎2014 ‎10‎:‎04‎ ‎AM To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Tom, Looking here:

Re: PFA (Now, an HZR subject)

2014-05-08 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi Looking into the Runtime Diagnostic, some question's: Who is issuing the ANALYZE command, and how often ? For me the answer in an idle z9 comes in about 3-4 seconds with NO EVENTS , but any way to trigger something if there would be some event ? On 07.05.2014 14:37, Dana Mitchell

FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread August Carideo/RYE/US
Why do you need a op system to validate the I/O ? You should be able to see the CHPID's that are online and operating from the HMC The CE should be able to do this from single object mode or from service mode As mentioned if DASD looks OK, it is just a matter of accessing it You can build a new

Re: IBM C and Cobol Threading question

2014-05-08 Thread John Gilmore
The distinction between COBOL's distinction of WORKING-STORAGE and LOCAL-STORAGE is essentially the same as the PL/I and then C distinction of static and automatic storage. As far as I can judge from earlier posts in this thread the shared facility is not a dynamic shared control block; it is a

Re: IBM C and Cobol Threading question

2014-05-08 Thread Scott Ford
Jon, Its not my call ….I am only the guy asking the questions. From: Jon Perryman Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎May‎ ‎8‎, ‎2014 ‎10‎:‎05‎ ‎AM To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List I personally would STRONGLY discourage this implementation. You're not the only one in your environment. Why not

The VM Workshop Seeks Your Input

2014-05-08 Thread Mike Walter
Hi friends, The VM Workshop is asking the community to take a 12 question survey to help us better understand the current state of your VM/Linux initiatives. The responses will be used to help us focus session content, and will be shared at the Workshop. Those who participate will get the

Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Karl Severson
If the original volume was not IPL'able, then maybe the IPL data got damaged. You could try updating the IPL data on the RES volume from the starter system. If in the worst case, you should still be able to re-use existing volumes. Hardware support told you the DS6800 is fine. Instead of

Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Matthew Stitt
You do not need a remote HMC. You just need to have the local HMC available through the Internet with remote access allowed. I do this all the time. Could save you some time if that could happen. On Thu, 8 May 2014 12:39:37 -0500, Karl Severson karl_j_sever...@raytheon.com wrote: If the

Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
Agreed - I couldn't support my environment without remote HMC access. Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Programmer Safeway Inc. 925 951 4184 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On

Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wed, 7 May 2014 20:05:58 -0400, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com wrote: Think the key is get a working VM system by whatever means available. From there validate IO config. The only z/VM things you can IPL from tape are a z/VM installation tape, IOCP, ICKDSF, DDR, and standalone dump. Tape

Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Gibney, Dave
The ZZSA idea and remote access to their HMC (or a plane ticket) are the two tools you need for this problem. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the

Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread John McKown
Right. At our shop, we have a Microsoft Terminal Services Gateway server. At home, on one of my laptops, I can connect over the Internet to this TSG Gateway. This then relays me to my local desktop (I know the OP doesn't have a local desktop, he could go to some other desktop). I am now

BPX.DEFAULT.USER and CICS

2014-05-08 Thread David Johnston
We are prepping for an upgrade to z/OS 2.1. We have performed the required changes to remove the use of BPX.DEFAULT.USER. This has caused multiple loggings from our CICS regions against the region LOGONID. I have been told our ACF2 configuration is incorrect, but have not received

Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Mike Schwab
http://www.vm.ibm.com/eval/ is the page to download the evaluation z/VM ?5.3?). Or ordering 5.2, 5.3, 6.1. Get the file downloaded and burned on a DVD-R by the local staff and inserted into the DVD drive. http://www.cbttape.org/~jjaeger/zzsa.html Is the stand alone ZZSA files. CD-R. On Thu,

Re: IBM C and Cobol Threading question

2014-05-08 Thread Scott Ford
Jon, Can you point me to the shared memory you spoke of in C …I would prefer to write this in C / Assembler…get away from Cobol, not that I don't like it. We are a small vendor …. It would be much appreciated From: John McKown Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎May‎ ‎8‎, ‎2014 ‎10‎:‎04‎ ‎AM To: IBM

FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread August Carideo/RYE/US
And where is this DVD going to load to if cpu / lpar whatever is not seeing any devices ? To single line edit mode on HMC Can't even get to ICC if OSA /OSC is not reconized -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab

FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread August Carideo/RYE/US
Our auditors will not allow remote access to the HMC's But in his case if they expected him to support it remotely probably a different story -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014

Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Dno
Hi, We're looking to purchase a sw product and our lawyers are looking at the t's and c's to see if we can have the right to their source code. At my previous job we did this for BMC, we kept it at IMAR. I guess I never understand why, so I'm asking if anyone our there does this and for

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Mitch
Dean, I have worked for vendors that dealt with this. Typically, a contract addendum or stipulation is added so that the vendor software is kept at a 3rd party site in escrow. Mitch McCluhan, Legacy Modernization Consultant www.lcmg.us -Original Message- From: Dno

Re: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Skip Robinson
We recently upgraded z/VM to 6.2. I downloaded the product from ShopzSeries. Burning a DVD turned into drawn-out PMR. See SHARE Anaheim proceedings for session 14648: Bit Bucket x'2E' beginning at slide 75. Upshot was that you have to use software that understands and creates ISO images. The

Re: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-05-08 21:23, August Carideo/RYE/US pisze: Our auditors will not allow remote access to the HMC's rethorical And the justification to the restriction is? /rethorical Every access means some flexibility, some productivity, some gain and - form the other hand - some risk. The safest

Re: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-05-08 21:00, August Carideo/RYE/US pisze: And where is this DVD going to load to if cpu / lpar whatever is not seeing any devices ? To single line edit mode on HMC Can't even get to ICC if OSA /OSC is not reconized Well, hard scenario. Actually you can IPL from DVD, (*no! it's ftp

FW: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread August Carideo/RYE/US
Agreed If the problem Is the I/O config It doesn't matter what op sys will eventually run on the box You can code up a I/O gen on notepad put it on a USB stick Upload it from the HMC use the SA version of the gen read in the source code and load out the IOCDS And do a POR Just to get you

Re: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Mike Schwab
The evaluation version was an ISO image designed to be burned to a DVD, inserted into the HMC, and booted from. Hopefully you would then use the z/VM diagnostic tools to figure out what is wrong with the storage system. I.E. detect what volumes are present, etc. If you can't figure out what is

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Mark Post
On 5/8/2014 at 04:18 PM, Dno snipers5...@gmail.com wrote: We're looking to purchase a sw product and our lawyers are looking at the t's and c's to see if we can have the right to their source code. At my previous job we did this for BMC, we kept it at IMAR. I guess I never understand why,

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Dno
Thanks Mark, makes sense. Dean Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote: On 5/8/2014 at 04:18 PM, Dno snipers5...@gmail.com wrote: We're looking to purchase a sw product and our lawyers are looking at the t's and c's to see if we can have the right

Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Gibney, Dave
There is always Skype or some other means of telepresence :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of August Carideo/RYE/US Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 12:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: FW: z10 IPL from

Re: FW: FW: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Ed Finnell
The OP was the z/OS Lpar wouldn't activate after power outage with apparent configuration issues. All the backups are DDF images. The support structure recommends reloading the DS6800. They've been down for weeks at this site and is 1300 miles from mother ship. In a message dated

IBM: No, we did not help NSA spy on customers - CNET

2014-05-08 Thread Ed Gould
http://www.cnet.com/news/ibm-no-we-did-not-help-nsa-spy-on-customers/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: No, we did not help NSA spy on customers - CNET

2014-05-08 Thread Lester, Bob
Hi Ed, Interesting article. If true, I applaud IBM's response. Thanks! BobL -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 3:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM: No, we did not

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Mitch
Mark (et al): Keep in mind, some ISV tools are proprietary and confidential code. If it were not, competitors would gobble it up and duplicate the functionality, hence, the need to keep it secure. Regards, Mitch McCluhan, Legacy Modernization Consultant www.lcmg.us -Original

Another C compiler shift bug?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Mills
Am I missing something here? Consider the following C statement: unsigned long long maxBit = 0x1 (arraySize-3); When arraySize is 66, maxBit is ending up as zero (instead of what I would expect, X'8000'. Am I missing something? Here is the LIST output. (No optimization.) *

Re: Another C compiler shift bug?

2014-05-08 Thread retired mainframer
:: -Original Message- :: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On :: Behalf Of Charles Mills :: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 3:16 PM :: To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU :: Subject: Another C compiler shift bug? :: :: Am I missing something here? Consider the

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Mills
The usual term for this is source code escrow. A third party holds the code with a contract that says that if the vendor goes out of business or fails in some way then you get the source code. The third party charges, and so the vendor may charge you. There are two or three HUGE problems with

Re: Another C compiler shift bug?

2014-05-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 8 May 2014 15:16:26 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: Am I missing something here? Consider the following C statement: unsigned long long maxBit = 0x1 (arraySize-3); When arraySize is 66, maxBit is ending up as zero (instead of what I would expect, X'8000'. Am I missing

Re: Another C compiler shift bug?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Mills
Hmmm. Well, I beat the compiler into submission but I kind of wonder if this is correct. Perhaps. It was apparently doing 32-bit arithmetic before because 0x1 is implicitly a 32-bit value. I changed it to 0x1ull (and unsigned 64-bit '1') and it works. I changed the statement to unsigned

Re: Another C compiler shift bug?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Mills
Yer right. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of retired mainframer Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 3:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another C compiler shift bug? :: -Original Message- :: From:

Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Thomas Kern
At one time, I broke open the UTILITY EXEC and used copies of the commands inside it to build my own version of the utiltape. Mine started with ICKDSF, then DDR, then the standalone FDR program. With that tape I could initialize a volume, restore a volume (VM or MVS) and back up a volume

Re: Another C compiler shift bug?

2014-05-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 8 May 2014 15:35:39 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: Hmmm. Well, I beat the compiler into submission ... beat? Actually I believe you lulled it into submission. ... SLDL r2,0(r1) LR r0,r3 LR r1,r2 ST r1,maxBit(,r13,248)

Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/8/2014 10:49 AM, Matthew Stitt wrote: You do not need a remote HMC. You just need to have the local HMC available through the Internet with remote access allowed. I do this all the time. Could save you some time if that could happen. How do you reach through the Internet and insert

Re: z10 IPL from Utility Tape

2014-05-08 Thread Thomas Kern
You just have to keep IPLing to skip past the Tape Label and tape marks. Not nice but do-able at DR. Fix it when you get back home. /Tom Kern On 05/08/2014 13:54, Alan Altmark wrote: On Wed, 7 May 2014 20:05:58 -0400, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com wrote: Think the key is get a working VM

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Dno
Thank you Charles, this is very useful information. We discussed a couple of the scenarios you describe, opting not to bother with this. Dean Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: The usual term for this is source code escrow. A third party

Re: Another C compiler shift bug?

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Mills
Well, I don't think they claim that the LIST output is valid assembler -- it's kind of a clue, easier than reading the hex op codes. Or how about grande instructions? This is unoptimized. I assume they do better with OPT(2). Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: Another C compiler shift bug?

2014-05-08 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
ST doesn't accept a 3-modifier expression, that is an artifact of the XL C/C++ assembler listing format. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:01 PM To:

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Mark Post
On 5/8/2014 at 06:08 PM, Mitch mitc...@aol.com wrote: Keep in mind, some ISV tools are proprietary and confidential code. If it were not, competitors would gobble it up and duplicate the functionality, hence, the need to keep it secure. What makes you think I, or anyone else, didn't

Re: IBM: No, we did not help NSA spy on customers - CNET

2014-05-08 Thread Shane Ginnane
Almost everyone I know pronounces PR/SM as PRISM. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Mitch
Mark, I am very confident you did already understand that. What I was trying to emphasize was the open source is apples and oranges. I meant no disrespect. Mitch -Original Message- From: Mark Post mp...@suse.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thu, May 8, 2014 4:41 pm

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Mills
how does your scenario differ from hiring a new programmer and telling him he has to support an application that has been around for years Obviously we could invent hypothetical scenarios which were the same or different. I think it is at least plausible that in your scenario there would be some

Re: System z StackExchange proposal

2014-05-08 Thread zMan
Good answer. I'm not in love with IBM-MAIN by any means; I have seen communities fragment and die due to things like this. But it's worth a try as long as folks (on both sides!) are ready to abandon either side if that's the way the tea leaves read down the road. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:58 AM,

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Mills
Good points. Many moons ago I wrote, as a contractor, a product for an application software company and they ended up losing the source code for the product (which they were selling as part of a very large application system). They were unable to fix it for Y2K and had to replace the whole

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread zMan
Another anecdote: the vendor I worked for in 1988 bought a product line from another vendor (who is gone, but was colloquially known as gruel and garbage). It turned out that the binaries they were shipping and the source code they sent us didn't match--not even close (major missing function: one

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Scott Ford
Amen, brother Charles, even as a ISV I totally agree. Besides, I think we should gave a API to Plug into, hence no need for code. Btw most auditors don't have a clue why the want source besides they want it ... Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On May 8, 2014, at 8:44 PM,

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Mitch
Mark: I absolutely agree. And for the likes of the larger ISVs, I would guess all of their product source code is in escrow and kept up to date. Maybe not so much for the mom and pop software companies, but the big ones, yes. Mitch McCluhan -Original Message- From: Mark Post

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Scott Ford
Sometimes it not simple, especially if you can't provide an API to makes calls Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On May 8, 2014, at 8:40 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: Also +1 what Mark said. I've known of only a few cases (not that I claim encyclopedic knowledge, but

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Mitch
Charles, First, thank you for the debate. I enjoy and appreciate your insight. Very well stated! Regarding the case I mentioned, it was not a licensee/user, but a competitor. Long story, but not one I feel comfortable going into any further detail about. Regards, Mitch -Original

Re: Vendor Source Code

2014-05-08 Thread Scott Ford
Sounds like had a QA issue maybe Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On May 8, 2014, at 8:54 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: Another anecdote: the vendor I worked for in 1988 bought a product line from another vendor (who is gone, but was colloquially known as gruel and

Re: Re : Setting A SLIP For A Program Running Under CICS.

2014-05-08 Thread Jon Perryman
CECI seems like a good suggestion. First to proceed to the program you want to take a dump. From this, you should be able to see where this program starts. Now you have the base address and know the offset from your listing which gives you the address for the slip. Set your slip and let the

Re: Just a Question On Texting

2014-05-08 Thread Brian Westerman
We have two separate utilities that perform that function: SyzText/z (sends one line messages to email and SMS text) SyzMail/z (sends any number of messages to email or SMS text). Brian www.syzygyinc.com -- For IBM-MAIN