Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 15:33:28 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >I've used the Dallas systems. You are free to customize. IBM provide >USER.PROCLIB etc. It allows you to add your custom routines which can allow >such things as MSGCLASS=Z et al. > No, no, no! No customization; it should *just*work*!

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
I've used the Dallas systems. You are free to customize. IBM provide USER.PROCLIB etc. It allows you to add your custom routines which can allow such things as MSGCLASS=Z et al. On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 2:10 PM Paul Gilmartin < 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Mon, 10

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 18:58:29 -0500, Charles Mills wrote: >@Gil, which IBM? This is a Dallas system, and it is set up the way IBM >sets up Dallas systems, which might be a third case in addition to "defaults" >and "recommendations." We have changed very little of that sort of thing. > If you

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
What's in JOBCLASS(STC)? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Smith Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 10:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up? Well, here's the real deal:

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Steve Smith
Well, here's the real deal: //BPXASJOB 1,MSGCLASS=Z //BPXAS PROC //* //* Note: This is a started JOB now, so the MSGCLASS can be set. //*Z is purged automatically. Change to X if you want to //*

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 4/10/2023 6:31 PM, Gibney, Dave wrote: Actually, you can have a Job card in the PROC in PROCLIB but it's not as flexible as using IEFJOBS. I experimented with this and learned that you are correct. However, I encountered two JCL errors in the process. The first was: IEFC005I PROC

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Gibney, Dave
Actually, you can have a Job card in the PROC in PROCLIB but it's not as flexible as using IEFJOBS. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Ed Jaffe > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 6:24 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: What is BPXAS and

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 4/10/2023 4:58 PM, Charles Mills wrote: Why would I want to do that? How would that solve my problem? If you wish to specify a job card for a started task, you need IEFJOBs. Simple as that. -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Jousma, David
I believe Steve was indicating that at his shop, msgclass=z is setup as purge, when thr job completes. You can use whatever msgclass works for your shop, or alternatively setup a jes autocommand to purge them after a day. Dave Jousma Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering Fifth

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Charles Mills
@Gil, which IBM? This is a Dallas system, and it is set up the way IBM sets up Dallas systems, which might be a third case in addition to "defaults" and "recommendations." We have changed very little of that sort of thing. @Ed, thanks, but now what? Using IEFJOBS to define started tasks Last

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 17:11:11 -0500, Charles Mills wrote: > >Okay, I confirmed that MSGCLASS=Z will make output magically disappear. > Had you been taking all IBM's defaults: SYSOUT class, disposition of that class, etc.? If so, IBM's design is adverse. But, "IBM's defaults are not IBM's

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Almost, it reflected things that the user wrote, but not always the most recent ones. That's part of what fooled people. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ISPF usage question

2023-04-10 Thread Schmitt, Michael
And you can't create an Edit Macro to help you solve your problem, because once inserted, the message lines can't be referenced (probably because they have no line number). And macros can't use Make Data to turn the messages into referenceable lines. -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 4/10/2023 3:11 PM, Charles Mills wrote: If I add the following as the first line of the proc is it likely to work, or at the very least, not make things worse? //BPXASJOB MSGLEVEL=1,MSGCLASS=Z Look up the use of IEFJOBS... -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831

Re: ISPF usage question

2023-04-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
I don't know of any way to search them by content, but you can at least find them with, e.g., LOCATE FIRST NOTELINE .first .last -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on

Re: TS7700 abandoned volumes questions

2023-04-10 Thread Tom Brennan
But I do like that Enzo is thinking out-of-the-box. On 4/10/2023 1:48 PM, Pommier, Rex wrote: Enzo, Knowing nothing about the internal workings of the TS77xx boxes I should probably keep my mouth shut but I don't think this is a good idea. Where does the TS keep metadata on the virtual

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks much. Okay, I confirmed that MSGCLASS=Z will make output magically disappear. Here is the proc as it exists today: //* //IEFPROC EXEC PGM=IEFIIC,DPRTY=12,PARM=',,,BPXPRJRW'

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
BPXAS is the jobstep task when a Unix application spawns a process that runs in a separate address space. It is an initiator for Unix workloads and over the course of its lifetime may run processes spawned by multiple users. I couln't find any documentation of the generated JCK beyond the BPXAS

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ISPF usage question

2023-04-10 Thread Pommier, Rex
Thanks, Bob, I have 1 of the developers in the habit of doing just that, but I can already hear the howls from some of the others when they're in edit instead of view and accidentally overlay their JCL with the cluttered up version. :-) That's why I was asking if there was some way of

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Bob Bridges
Is that the one that imitated a therapist who asked questions that are merely reflections of the last thing the user wrote? "I hear you saying you're angry at your mother. Can you say why?" "How did that make you feel?" Like that. I encountered that in college and found it surprisingly

Re: What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Steve Smith
Those are OMVS "initiators", and as far as I can tell, there is no way to control them. OMVS starts as many as needed to run processes (at which point they temporarily change their name - which is why you don't see all of them in DA). Once they're idle for 30 minutes or so, they quit; resulting

Re: ISPF usage question

2023-04-10 Thread Bob Bridges
Not what you're looking for, perhaps, but if I don't want to change my code accidentally I've managed to thoroughly habituate myself to using View rather than Edit. Pretty much all the functions you can use in Edit also work in View, so I expect you'll still be able to see notes and msgs. And

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Yes, but what is the threshold that we must cross before"AI" becomes a reality rather than an aspiration? In the early days, we were 5 years away; in retrospect, that was unduly optimistic. On the flip side, does anybody remember the shockingly simple ELIZA

What is BPXAS and how do I make them stop piling up?

2023-04-10 Thread Charles Mills
Humor me here. I assume this is basic system programming, but I don't claim to be a sysprog. We have a Dallas system. Something in our usage patterns or something has changed recently to where we end up with spool filled up with BPXAS jobs and we eventually run out of JQEs which is not a Good

ISPF usage question

2023-04-10 Thread Pommier, Rex
Hello list, Yes, this is an ISPF question but I don't know of anybody in the z/OS world that doesn't use ISPF - and I don't know if the ISPF list (if it is still operational) has much traffic. So here goes. Running certain ISPF macros and/or commands, we get lines added to the ISPF edit

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
Insects pollinate everything. They also are food for many other species. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jan/11/climate-change-insect-world-global-heating-species Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, April 10, 2023, 4:25 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: Life forms themselves are not

Re: TS7700 abandoned volumes questions

2023-04-10 Thread Pommier, Rex
Enzo, Knowing nothing about the internal workings of the TS77xx boxes I should probably keep my mouth shut but I don't think this is a good idea. Where does the TS keep metadata on the virtual volumes? Is there a db2 or other database holding pointers to the virtual volumes? Will internal

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Mike Schwab
Life forms themselves are not causing the climate change, as plants consume and plants and animals release CO2 in overall balance. It is the one way burning of long stored carbon fuels releasing CO2 into the atmosphere that is causing the problems. Much like volcanoes have changed climate in the

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Dean Kent
I probably should just stay silent, but... I did a lot of 'testing' with ChatGPT.  I believe that it is just a very sophisticated data collection/summarization tool.   For example, I asked it to compare and contrast book x and book y, which were from different authors on the same subject.  

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Phil Smith III
Matt Hogstrom wrote: >I don't believe AI "learned" anything but rather adjusted the >algorithms based on a set of changes in probability of what >the algorithm has ingested and processed for its LLM. So now we're really getting into epistemology: is that not what 'learning' comprises? That's a

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Matt Hogstrom
> On Apr 10, 2023, at 3:10 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > > Rex, the scary part about AI is that nobody programmed it to respond that > way-it learned how to do so on its own. I don’t believe AI “learned” anything but rather adjusted the algorithms based on a set of changes in probability of what

Re: TS7700 abandoned volumes questions

2023-04-10 Thread Enzo D'Amato
I don't think this is the "IBM-approved" way of doing things, but the ts7700s use standard FC drive shelves. Have you tried breaking the cluster links, powering down the controller, and then manually mounting the FC shelves on a generic Linux box? If you can do that, you should be able to

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
If humanity was a science based civilization & humans were inherently good, I think we’d be pretty safe no matter how advanced the AI systems were. Sadly, we are not even close on either. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, April 10, 2023, 3:10 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: The articles I

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Bob Bridges
The articles I was able to find on the Belgian suicide all cited the AI's contributions third-hand; they never quoted anything the AI said, only "the man considered suicide and the AI encouraged this, according to his widow" and like that. I'd be interested to see what it actually wrote. That

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Steve Thompson
I know, dead horse, but still, this is a reason to start looking at the "Rules of Robotics" and implement them now at the bare metal level if possible. It would thwart malware (well, we can hope). Steve Thompson On 4/10/2023 3:01 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: Rex Pommier wrote: Here's a

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Phil Smith III
Rex Pommier wrote: >Here's a different take on AI taking over and wiping out humanity. Last >month an AI chatbox allegedly convinced a Belgian man to commit suicide >after convincing him that if he "sacrificed himself", the chatbox could >save mankind from climate change. Obviously the guy had

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
If they were selling advertising, they’d want me to post more often. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, April 10, 2023, 2:51 PM, zMan wrote: Why, John? It had the highest S:N ratio of the entire thread! On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 2:16 PM John Abell <

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread John Abell
I bet. Well not as exciting as the COBOL Item. John T. Abell Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 President International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com Fax:800-295-7609 International: 1-416-593-5579 International Software

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread zMan
Why, John? It had the highest S:N ratio of the entire thread! On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 2:16 PM John Abell < john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com> wrote: > Please ignore my previous message. > > John T. Abell > Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 > President > International: 1-416-593-5578

Re: COBOL question

2023-04-10 Thread Cameron Conacher
Thanks. Just to be clear. I am running under EXPEDITER. The program runs almost to completion. The last two things I do: 1. If the Address is not NULL -> FREE 2. GOBACK. Thanks …….Cameron From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Joe Monk Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 9:37 AM

Re: Cobol calling module with non alphanumeric no longer allowed???

2023-04-10 Thread Farley, Peter
Could it be as simple (and as really dumb) as that the national characters ($#@) when "OR"ed with X'40' (the "quick and dirty" way to upper-case EBCDIC letters) don't change their value (they all already have the X'40' bit on)? Or worse, because the "convention" for translating underscore

Re: Cobol calling module with non alphanumeric no longer allowed???

2023-04-10 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Quite odd, I'll say. But at least I have an answer. Thanks! I wonder why LONGUPPER has the restrictions it does. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Schmitt, Michael Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 11:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Cobol

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread John Abell
Please ignore my previous message. John T. Abell Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 President International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com Fax:800-295-7609 International: 1-416-593-5579 International Software Products

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread John Abell
Jeff managed to get the original files unscrambled into 1 file so I think we are good for now. He had to use 7zip to do it. John T. Abell Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 President International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com Fax:

Re: Cobol calling module with non alphanumeric no longer allowed???

2023-04-10 Thread Schmitt, Michael
Ah, I'm compiling with PGMNAME(COMPAT). And I misread the documentation for PGMNAME(LONGUPPER). This behavior is conforming to the documentation. It says that PGMNAME(COMPAT) can contain national characters: "All the characters used in the name must be alphabetic, digits, the hyphen, or the

Re: Language Environment custom messages

2023-04-10 Thread Frank Swarbrick
I thought I had, but apparently not! Now working. Thanks. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rupert Reynolds Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 11:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Language Environment custom messages I'm not familiar with

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Well said. בתאריך יום ב׳, 10 באפר׳ 2023 ב-20:39 מאת Doug : > So what? Who cares how old you are? > This is supposed to be a technical forum, not a "how great Bill Johnson > is and how great are his politics forum." > Why don't you try and keep it to that. > I am tired of your narcissistic, self

Re: Language Environment custom messages

2023-04-10 Thread Rupert Reynolds
I'm not familiar with these custom messages, but have you tried a trailing "." i.e. ":newline."? Only a hunch, mind you... Rexx On Mon, 10 Apr 2023, 17:46 Frank Swarbrick, wrote: > At > https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=cm-creating-message-source-file > is documented creating of a

Re: Language Environment custom messages

2023-04-10 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Cancel. I missed the period after ":newline". I swear I tried that before, but I guess not. Any time I want to solve a simple problem I just need to post to the list then try something else after that and it works! Or so it seems. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Doug
So what? Who cares how old you are? This is supposed to be a technical forum, not a "how great Bill Johnson is and how great are his politics forum." Why don't you try and keep it to that. I am tired of your narcissistic, self centered ramblings. Doug Fuerst -- Original Message --

Re: Stop the ragging on COBOL please [was: RE: ASM call by value]

2023-04-10 Thread Tom Marchant
Give it a rest Bill. No one here ever said that they know it all. Hundreds of times a week? Nope. Lately you come the closest. Of the 382 posts this month, 48 are from you. And many of those include complaints about people who you claim know less than you, and a lot of boasting about your

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Chicklon, Thomas
A voice of reason Allan, thanks for saying what many of us are thinking. I really miss the days when this was a moderated forum and the NOPOST setting would occasionally be used to keep things on track. More noise than IBM mainframe discussion lately. Tom Chicklon -Original Message-

Re: Cobol calling module with non alphanumeric no longer allowed???

2023-04-10 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Interesting. Apparently it works for both PGMNAME(COMPAT) and PGMNAME(LONGMIXED), but not for PGMNAME(LONGUPPER), which is what we are using. 19 001600 procedure division. 20 001610 call '@SEPTEST'

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Our disappointment in the events of the past half century is best discussed off-list. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 1:13 PM To:

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
Hilarious. Obviously, you missed my age Doug. I’m 66. A baby boomer. My bet is most of the people here are over 50. Some in their 70’s & 80’s. Not looking at you Seymour. I grew up when my generation was fighting for “free love”, “drug legalization”, abortion rights, civil rights, police

Re: Cobol calling module with non alphanumeric no longer allowed???

2023-04-10 Thread Frank Swarbrick
I agree that you should be able to do dynamic calls under CICS to any routine, and only the EXEC CICS commands need be static. In fact, even EXEC SQL can do dynamic calls if you define the appropriate entry point (DSNHLI or DSNHLI2, I believe) as a "program". Program auto-install would likely

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Doug
The clueless generally do... Doug Fuerst -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Johnson" <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 10-Apr-23 12:42:53 Subject: Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls) Don’t care Doug. I’ll sleep fine tonight. Sent from

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Rex Pommier
Hi Allan, I and most of the rest on the list agree completely. Here's a radical idea. How about when we see an inappropriate post, we just do 1 of 2 things - reply privately back to the offender telling them that this isn't the place and/or simply delete the post. Don't give them the

Language Environment custom messages

2023-04-10 Thread Frank Swarbrick
At https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=cm-creating-message-source-file is documented creating of a "message source file" for custom LE messages. Is anyone besides me using this? I am having an issue with the ":newline" not seeming to do anything at all, and definitely not what it

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Doug
Be assured, it is not the only reason Doug Fuerst -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Johnson" <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 10-Apr-23 12:32:41 Subject: Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls) No, it’s 100% my political views. Sent from

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
Don’t care Doug. I’ll sleep fine tonight. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, April 10, 2023, 12:40 PM, Doug wrote: Be assured, it is NOT! Doug Fuerst Principal Consultant BK Associates 718.921.2620 (O) 917.572.7364 (C) d...@bkassociates.net -- Original Message -- From:

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Doug
Be assured, it is NOT! Doug Fuerst Principal Consultant BK Associates 718.921.2620 (O) 917.572.7364 (C) d...@bkassociates.net -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Johnson" <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 10-Apr-23 12:32:41 Subject: Re:

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
I tried. But, it was others who keep attacking. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, April 10, 2023, 12:37 PM, Allan Staller <0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Classification: Confidential Bill, et. al. Lets take this debate offline and keep this forum

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
You assume I care what people think of me. I repost this. “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.”  - - - John Wooden Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, April 10, 2023, 12:31 PM, David Spiegel

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential Bill, et. al. Lets take this debate offline and keep this forum professional. Argue with whomever you wish, but please do it privately. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent:

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
I used to be politically active. And being a progressive Democrat in a red, rather conservative area, leads to attacks like what is now in Tennessee now. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, April 10, 2023, 12:31 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
No, it’s 100% my political views.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, April 10, 2023, 12:31 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Bill, You said: "... and I’ve been threatened by locals who don’t like my political views. ..." Have you ever

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bill, You said: "... and I’ve been threatened by locals who don’t like my political views. ..." Have you ever considered the possibility that your "political views" are not the only reason they don't like you? {:}-> Regards, David On 2023-04-10 12:25, Bill Johnson wrote: I should have

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
I should have clarified my information statement. I don’t put anything important on the internet. Anything that could identify important information that might be used in nefarious ways. I’ve already had numerous emails hacked, numerous credit cards used from hacks, and I’ve been threatened by

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
Innocuous information. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, April 10, 2023, 12:06 PM, Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: So much for not putting your information out on the internet. -- Tom Marchant On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 22:00:17 +, Bill Johnson

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
This is another interesting read which supports scientists contention that the environment (man made global warming) is pushing species that cannot survive their current overheating climate towards the poles. Eventually, anything that lives near the equator will either migrate or die.

Re: Not aging well (know-it-alls)

2023-04-10 Thread Tom Marchant
So much for not putting your information out on the internet. -- Tom Marchant On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 22:00:17 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >I don’t lie, cheat, steal, smoke, do drugs, drink alcohol. I do lots a >charity, give huge tips, help animal shelters, and much much more.

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
Try this https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/married-father-commits-suicide-after-encouragement-by-ai-chatbot-widow/ Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Bob Bridges
My best friend in high school and I have long-running debates on matters religious and political, and I have frequently caught him citing news sources that got the details wrong - so frequently that I am now in the habit of looking up (for example) Supreme-Court rulings to see what they

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Joel C. Ewing
While putting an AI computer in direct charge of life-extinction lethal force is an obvious no-no to anyone familiar with sci-fi doomsday scenarios, it doesn't take extremes like Colossus to cause potential disaster. If humans ever get so dependent on AI that they blindly follow the "advice"

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Bob Bridges
It's a quibble, but I'd say not that humans are causing it but that humans are influencing it. We may be the most influential species on the planet, but not the only one, and biological life on earth is not the only cause of climate change. I pause here to wonder: Are we really the most

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Pommier, Rex
Here's a different take on AI taking over and wiping out humanity. Last month an AI chatbox allegedly convinced a Belgian man to commit suicide after convincing him that if he "sacrificed himself", the chatbox could save mankind from climate change. Obviously the guy had other issues but

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Johnson
My beliefs are we are currently in a 6th mass extinction. The earth has already experienced 5. The difference is this one is caused by human activity. AI might be able to prevent it or perhaps just lengthen and delay its impact. Or wipe us out before it plays out.

Re: Cobol calling module with non alphanumeric no longer allowed???

2023-04-10 Thread Schmitt, Michael
A call to '@SEPTEST' compiles for me with both DYNAM and NODYNAM on COBOL for z/OS 6.20. Per the PGMNAME compile option, this is allowed in all settings of that option. What do you have for FLAGSTD? Can you post the exact compile error? Note that such a program id would need to be enclosed in

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread rpinion865
And, no one mentions the HAL 9000??? Sent with Proton Mail secure email. --- Original Message --- On Monday, April 10th, 2023 at 10:12 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: > Getting into philosophy, but why not? > > Shmuel> Wouldn't that depend on the programming and training? > > > Me>

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Bob Bridges
Getting into philosophy, but why not? Shmuel> Wouldn't that depend on the programming and training? Me> Sure. Has anyone programmed self-preservation into any of the current AIs? I suspect no one's thought of such a thing yet. (And maybe anyone who has thought of it has thought better of it.)

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Bob Bridges
Or, of course, "Colossus: The Forbin Project", in which the computer concludes that it must become the world's dictator in order to preserve mankind from its own idiocies. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently.

Re: COBOL question

2023-04-10 Thread Joe Monk
A lot of times, U4038 is not enough region... Joe On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 6:15 AM Cameron Conacher < 03cfc59146bb-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Good call  > > I ALLOCATE once. > And just before GOBACK, I issue the FREE. Just one time. > I am thinking it might be related to

Re: Specifhing the ENVBLOCK (was: Just PDSE)

2023-04-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
"However, separate chains within a single address space are independent." doesn't sound like a single chain. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Or the chilling "The Humanoids" by Jack Williamson "To serve Man, and keep him from harm". From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Allan Staller <0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 8:23 AM To:

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential Why does the author omit the classic "I, Robot" by Issac Asimov. Where the "AI" decides to protect humanity from itself. That being said, I believe we are far from sentient AI at this point in time. My USD $0.02 worth. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Call by value, final

2023-04-10 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential YUP! PDS has long been able to support "invalid" member names. The STOW macro uses what it is passed. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jeremy Nicoll Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2023 11:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: COBOL question

2023-04-10 Thread Cameron Conacher
Good call  I ALLOCATE once. And just before GOBACK, I issue the FREE. Just one time. I am thinking it might be related to EXPEDITER. That is my current WAG. Thanks …….Cameron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, April 9,

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Wouildn't that depend on the programming and training? Some people lack an impulse to preserve themselves. Consider reckless behavior and suicide attempts. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Just PDSE

2023-04-10 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 8/04/2023 2:23 pm, Brian Westerman wrote: Just so you know, it's not SYSPLEX that you need, it's GRS and you have have that with just a couple FICON ports. Are you sure about that? Regular PDS needs GRS to safely share between multiple systems, if that was all that was required no-one

Re: ssid not recognized after erly code update

2023-04-10 Thread Bill Giannelli
thank you for all the help! What occurred was that I reallocated the SDSNLINK (for the Db2 ERLY code) on a different volume. APF seemed ok to me as it was specified as SMS. However, the linklist in parmlib specified the specific volume, which needed to be updated. So now it is working. thanks

Re: AI wipes out humanity?

2023-04-10 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 07:19:11PM -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: > Yeah, I realize I didn't define anything. But in this case I'm really just > saying that we have no idea whether an AI can have an impulse to preserve > itself. We observe that impulse in every form of life, but it's well to > keep

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