Or to use the modern term political correctness.
snip
Orwell made this point, better than I can make it:
The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the
world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of Ingsoc, but to make all
other modes of thought
/~lynn/2014b.html#39 Resistance to Java
a primary communication group effort fighting off distributed computing
and client/server was SAA (I've periodically mentioned senior disk
engineer getting talk at annual worldwide internal communication group
conferencing and opening with the statement
the 1990s.
And, please, support a portable GUI protocol such as X11 (perhaps VNC;
perhaps HTTP -- is that what HoD does?) Don't require an idiosyncratic
agent for every desktop OS.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#39 Resistance to Java
a primary communication group effort fighting off
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
Why did that fail? Just too little, too late? NIH?
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#39 Resistance to Java
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#44 Resistance to Java
internal network was larger than the arpanet/internet from just about
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#39 Resistance to Java
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#44 Resistance to Java
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#46 Resistance to Java
part of the issue SNA was pretty much dictated by VTAM/NCP ... which was
a low-speed, dumb terminal
Ed Jaffe writes:
Speaking of Eclipse, we've written some ANT scripts to fully integrated
Eclipse (the free one, not IBM's _expensive_ RDz) with
mainframe-resident versions of Apache Tomcat, the Java and C/C++
compilers, and GIT (for source code management).
Ed, I think you meant that your ANT
On 1/26/2014 4:42 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote:
You wouldn't want to inadvertently wipe out much of the market for
your scripts, would you?
Couldn't care less. Those Ant scripts are for our internal use only.
--
Edward E Jaffe
Phoenix Software International, Inc
831 Parkview Drive North
El
Dijkstra's fulminations against PL/I are well known. They are also
without merit.
An even more general formulation is possible. Theoretical computer
science, which elucidates algorithms, is often enormously valuable.
Equally, like other kinds of mathematics, it can be obvious and
boring; but it
On 1/25/14, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
Dijkstra's fulminations against PL/I are well known. They are also
without merit.
An even more general formulation is possible. Theoretical computer
science, which elucidates algorithms, is often enormously valuable.
Equally, like other
All
For an example of open source byte COBOL check out the zcobol Portable
Mainframe COBOL compiler and runtime which comes with the z390 Portable
Mainframe Assembler and Emulator which currently runs on Windows, Linux, and
Apple OSX host systems with J2SE 6.0+ runtime installed.
An assembler
dcrayf...@gmail.com (David Crayford) writes:
That's because there are no viable alternatives. It probably wouldn't
be the case if there was a zIIP enabled Ruby on Rails, Python Django
or node.js framework available.
trivia when java came out ... the director of the business group was
somebody
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:40:16 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
On 25/01/2014 3:52 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
Most mainframe modernization efforts are rooted in Java.
That's because there are no viable alternatives. It probably wouldn't be
the case if there was a zIIP enabled Ruby on Rails, Python Django or
On 1/24/2014 9:40 PM, David Crayford wrote:
I can speak from personal experience that our emerging Java-based
mainframe offerings have been well received by our customer base.
http://phoenixsoftware.com/ejes/ejes_future.htm
Nice to see a product use a browser UI and not a dreaded Eclipse
On 1/25/2014 at 01:09 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25/01/2014 1:57 PM, Mark Post wrote:
-snip-
Given who I work for, I would truly like to believe that, but I have grave
doubts about such statements unless the sources are cited, etc. I know for a
fact that Java on
On 1/24/2014 9:40 PM, David Crayford wrote:
I heard that a resource intensive Java program was run on both a z/OS
zIIP and zLinux IFL. zLinux was x10 faster. The conclusion was that
the z/OS software stack was the bottle neck.
I'm highly skeptical of this claim. On our zBC12 we run 64-bit
On 26/01/2014 1:38 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
On 1/24/2014 9:40 PM, David Crayford wrote:
I can speak from personal experience that our emerging Java-based
mainframe offerings have been well received by our customer base.
http://phoenixsoftware.com/ejes/ejes_future.htm
Nice to see a product use
On 25/01/2014 11:43 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:40:16 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
On 25/01/2014 3:52 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
Most mainframe modernization efforts are rooted in Java.
That's because there are no viable alternatives. It probably wouldn't be
the case if there
On 1/25/2014 6:43 PM, David Crayford wrote:
On 26/01/2014 1:38 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
We love Eclipse! So do many of our customers and some have already
requested a full-featured Eclipse plug-in for (E)JES. We hope to be
able to provide them with that during phase II of the roll-out. We
want
John von Neumann on the baroque:
As a mathematical discipline travels far from its empirical source, or
still more, if it is a second and third generation only indirectly
inspired from ideas coming from 'reality', it is beset with very grave
dangers. It becomes more and more purely
About root to branch, root and branch and, I think more
appositely, roots and|to branches (one root and one branch are
surely a very special case), a petition to the Long Parliament of 1640
from a group of Londoners concludes with the peroration
We therefore most humbly pray, and beseech this
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Behalf Of Tony Harminc
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Subject: Re: Resistance to Java.
On 22 January 2014 08:36, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com
wrote:
Now wouldn't that be a kick? An Enterprise COBOL
On 1/21/2014 10:39 AM, John McKown wrote:
This is a curiosity question. I am wondering how resistant shops are to
even having the Java JDK installed on their system. Not in being resistant
to writing application code in Java, but just to having it available. In
particular, are there many shops
I've always enjoyed reading Dijkstra
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD03xx/EWD340.html.
He said of PL/I:
Finally, although the subject is not a pleasant one, I must mention
PL/1, a programming language for which the defining documentation is of
a frightening size and
On 24/01/2014 10:23 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:26:04 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
+1 for Martins blog post, which is excellent.
Having said that, the whole zIIP concept is baroque from root to branch.
Why couldn't IBM have come up with something much simpler?
baroque
On 25/01/2014 3:52 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
Most mainframe modernization efforts are rooted in Java.
That's because there are no viable alternatives. It probably wouldn't be
the case if there was a zIIP enabled Ruby on Rails, Python Django or
node.js framework available.
One of the most
On 1/25/2014 at 12:40 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:
I heard that a resource intensive Java program was run on both a z/OS
zIIP and zLinux IFL. zLinux was x10 faster. The conclusion was that the
z/OS software stack was the bottle neck.
Given who I work for, I would truly
On 22/01/2014 11:53 PM, Skip Robinson wrote:
IBM is currently warning customers that over-using ZIIPs may lead
to serious performance problems because of the way z/OS manages them vs.
the way it manages general purpose CPs.
Can you supply a link wrt that information?
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:59:23 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
On 22/01/2014 11:53 PM, Skip Robinson wrote:
IBM is currently warning customers that over-using ZIIPs may lead
to serious performance problems because of the way z/OS manages them vs.
the way it manages general purpose CPs.
Can you
-7802-245-584
email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com
Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker
Blog:
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker
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Date: 23/01/2014 09:01
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On 22/01/2014 11:53 PM, Skip Robinson wrote:
IBM is currently
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On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:59:23 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
On 22/01/2014 11:53 PM, Skip Robinson wrote:
IBM is currently warning customers that over-using ZIIPs may lead
to serious performance
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+1 for Martins blog post, which is excellent.
Having said that, the whole zIIP concept is baroque from root to branch.
Why couldn't IBM have come up with something much simpler?
On 23/01/2014 8:29 PM, Scott Chapman wrote:
I think that's a better
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Date: 23/01/2014 09:01
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On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:59:23 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
On 22/01/2014 11:53 PM, Skip Robinson wrote:
IBM
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Date: 23/01/2014 15:57
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In order to cut the delays
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:26:04 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
+1 for Martins blog post, which is excellent.
Having said that, the whole zIIP concept is baroque from root to branch.
Why couldn't IBM have come up with something much simpler?
baroque implies (to me) some degree of ornate.
Given the
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 7:53 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Of course, if you don't have a zIIP you wouldn't go near it with a ten
foot barge pole.
total agreement. It is why we don't use it. Well, other than the usual we
have never used it in the past! which is also
In our case, we are looking for Java solutions so that we can utilize an
underutilized ZIIP (and try and curb MLC charges and postpone future
upgrades).
On 22 January 2014 15:36, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 7:53 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com
:11 AM
Subject:Re: Resistance to Java.
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In our case, we are looking for Java solutions so that we can utilize an
underutilized ZIIP (and try and curb MLC charges and postpone future
upgrades).
On 22 January 2014 15:36
On 22 January 2014 08:36, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote:
Now wouldn't that be a kick? An Enterprise COBOL compatible compiler which
produced Java byte code. That
would likely sell a lot of zAAPs.
Don't think it hasn't been seriously considered by more than one
party... But as
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:14:30 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 22 January 2014 08:36, John McKown wrote:
Now wouldn't that be a kick? An Enterprise COBOL compatible compiler which
produced Java byte code. That
would likely sell a lot of zAAPs.
Don't think it hasn't been seriously considered by
C it out of existence.
Peter
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have gone the way of the dodo.
I've not tried any of them.
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Subject: Re: Resistance to Java.
On 22 January 2014 08:36, John McKown john.archie.mck
: Re: Resistance to Java.
On 22 January 2014 08:36, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote:
Now wouldn't that be a kick? An Enterprise COBOL compatible compiler which
produced Java byte code. That
would likely sell a lot of zAAPs.
Don't think it hasn't been seriously considered by more
.
From: Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Resistance to Java.
On 22 January 2014 08:36, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com
wrote:
Now wouldn't that be a kick? An Enterprise COBOL compatible
I'm going to look at that. Not for z/OS use, but for me on my Linux/Intel
system.
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Graham Harris harris...@gmail.com wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/universalcobol/
--
Wasn't there something about a PASCAL programmer knowing the value of
everything
Is Graham Harris talking about what I use? Haven't got time to dig.
If you mean the GNU COBOL compiler, I installed it on a W7. Partial
agony, but it works well, no CICS emulation yet. BUT for you Linuxy
types all the gurus there are that way inclined:-). URL I access is
On 22 January 2014 19:34, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm going to look at that. Not for z/OS use, but for me on my Linux/Intel
system.
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Graham Harris harris...@gmail.com wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/universalcobol/
As it says
To my knowledge it does not compile to JVM bytecode.
From: Graham Hobbs gho...@cdpwise.net
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Resistance to Java.
What of GNU COBOL? Is free.
Graham Hobbs
On 22/01/2014 4:48 PM
http://www.z390.org/
CICS emulation, BC12 user instruction emulation, z/OS 1.13 user macro
emulation. No actual IBM code.
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Graham Hobbs gho...@cdpwise.net wrote:
Is Graham Harris talking about what I use? Haven't got time to dig.
If you mean the GNU COBOL
This is a curiosity question. I am wondering how resistant shops are to
even having the Java JDK installed on their system. Not in being resistant
to writing application code in Java, but just to having it available. In
particular, are there many shops who would reject a useful product because
it
On 21 January 2014 13:39, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote:
This is a curiosity question. I am wondering how resistant shops are to
even having the Java JDK installed on their system.
Not in being resistant to writing application code in Java, but just to
having it available.
On 22/01/2014 2:39 AM, John McKown wrote:
This is a curiosity question. I am wondering how resistant shops are to
even having the Java JDK installed on their system. Not in being resistant
to writing application code in Java, but just to having it available. In
particular, are there many shops
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