Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

> Could you split it on multiple lines

I am neither a console nor a JES command expert but I think the problem is that 
the maximum length console command from any source is 126 (?) characters. Does 
JES perhaps support some sort of continuation convention external to MVS 
console restrictions (as SLIP does)? I don't know.

I am not sure if the RDR PROC that I have is IBM-original or if someone 
modified it for their own purposes, but it says 

//IEFRDERDDUNIT=TAPE,LABEL=(,NL),VOL=SER=JES2IN,DISP=OLD, 
// DCB=(RECFM=F,BLKSIZE=80,LRECL=80)  

Not the most helpful defaults.

BTW, SDSF does not insert blanks. The OP in that thread had the blanks right 
there in front of him on the panel. SDSF just honored what was typed. Might it 
be user-helpful were SDSF to *strip* blanks at the end of a continued line? 
Quite possibly.

Charles


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On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:52:48 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>My reading was that there was no MODIFY involved with $SUBMIT. It *is* a JES2 
>command as I read things. It is I think the answer to what I was looking for 
>with my OP "is there a JES2 command to submit a job?" I chose to go with the 
>RDR proc because it looked a little simpler.
>
I misled myself, perhaps by the description of "$T (modify) SUBMITLIB" in:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.e0za100/ch1jes2_24_disk.htm

And:  
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.hasa400/submitlib1.htm
These concatenations can contain any combination of partitioned data sets 
(PDSs) or file system paths. 
"paths"!?  Yaaay!  It's almost as if they forgot the 20th Century.

But, (Yaaay!): ... The concatenation supports any format PDS (LRECL and RECFM)
that can be used to pass JCL into input processing.

... files in the path with 1-8 character uppercase file names that conform 
to
standard PDS member names ...
I suspect that restriction can be circumvented with symlinks.

Are the lexical rules for JES commands the same as for "standard PDS
member names"?

>Footnote: Little did I know. What a PITA RDR turned out to be, at least on my 
>particular LPAR. I had to override RECFM, LRECL, BLKSIZE, UNIT, VOL and DISP 
>(as well as DSN of course). That made my $TA command too long for the MVS 
>console. I had to shorten my DSN and member names a little to get it to fit.
> 
IEBGENER is so nice!  It honors the label attributes!

Could you split it on multiple lines provided that your (emulated) terminal
doesn't insert extraneous blanks?

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:52:48 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>My reading was that there was no MODIFY involved with $SUBMIT. It *is* a JES2 
>command as I read things. It is I think the answer to what I was looking for 
>with my OP "is there a JES2 command to submit a job?" I chose to go with the 
>RDR proc because it looked a little simpler.
>
I misled myself, perhaps by the description of "$T (modify) SUBMITLIB" in:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.e0za100/ch1jes2_24_disk.htm

And:  
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.hasa400/submitlib1.htm
These concatenations can contain any combination of partitioned data sets 
(PDSs) or file system paths. 
"paths"!?  Yaaay!  It's almost as if they forgot the 20th Century.

But, (Yaaay!): ... The concatenation supports any format PDS (LRECL and RECFM)
that can be used to pass JCL into input processing.

... files in the path with 1-8 character uppercase file names that conform 
to
standard PDS member names ...
I suspect that restriction can be circumvented with symlinks.

Are the lexical rules for JES commands the same as for "standard PDS
member names"?

>Footnote: Little did I know. What a PITA RDR turned out to be, at least on my 
>particular LPAR. I had to override RECFM, LRECL, BLKSIZE, UNIT, VOL and DISP 
>(as well as DSN of course). That made my $TA command too long for the MVS 
>console. I had to shorten my DSN and member names a little to get it to fit.
> 
IEBGENER is so nice!  It honors the label attributes!

Could you split it on multiple lines provided that your (emulated) terminal
doesn't insert extraneous blanks?

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Steve Smith]

The provided RDR proc is now useful only as an example.  Note it uses
IEBEDIT, the poor utility that gets no respect.

When a started task name is IEFPROC, DD IEFRDER has some special properties
that allow unit, and (I think) volume to be specified as positional
operands, and any DD keywords on the start command are applied to it.
Note: my recollection, not guaranteed to be definitive.

Forty some-odd years ago, as an operator I submitted job streams with a RDR
proc that replaced SYSUT1 with DSN=PROD.JCL().  Quite simple to "S
XRDR,JOB=jobyyy", and I'd think fairly obvious.  You can embellish that to
your taste, but I like simple & easy-to-remember-&-type commands.

I'll repeat that the // SCHEDULE statement is pretty handy.  And if you
activate the full JOB GROUP facility, you might not need any other job
control system.

sas

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

> IBM has already generously done that chore for IEBGENER.

Touché. How about "any program capable of copying xSAM to xSAM plus INTRDR"? 
IEBGENER is a good shorthand.

My reading was that there was no MODIFY involved with $SUBMIT. It *is* a JES2 
command as I read things. It is I think the answer to what I was looking for 
with my OP "is there a JES2 command to submit a job?" I chose to go with the 
RDR proc because it looked a little simpler.

Footnote: Little did I know. What a PITA RDR turned out to be, at least on my 
particular LPAR. I had to override RECFM, LRECL, BLKSIZE, UNIT, VOL and DISP 
(as well as DSN of course). That made my $TA command too long for the MVS 
console. I had to shorten my DSN and member names a little to get it to fit.

Charles


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On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:43:14 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>Well, they're different environments for one thing. FTP FILETYPE=JES is 
>wonderful, but it does not run as a JES2 command. Ditto TSO and ISPF SUBMIT.
>
>To nitpick, IEBGENER is irrelevant, right? SYSOUT INTRDR is the key; you can 
>get there equally well from IEBGENER, REXX, or a COBOL program.
> 
Someone would need to code that Rexx or COBOL.  IBM has already
generously done that chore for IEBGENER.

Apparently: 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.e0za100/ch1jes2_24_disk.htm
the disk writer does nothing but wait until a MODIFY command tells
it to SUBMIT a job.  Is that better than SUBMITting immediately and
quitting?

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:43:14 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>Well, they're different environments for one thing. FTP FILETYPE=JES is 
>wonderful, but it does not run as a JES2 command. Ditto TSO and ISPF SUBMIT.
>
>To nitpick, IEBGENER is irrelevant, right? SYSOUT INTRDR is the key; you can 
>get there equally well from IEBGENER, REXX, or a COBOL program.
> 
Someone would need to code that Rexx or COBOL.  IBM has already
generously done that chore for IEBGENER.

Apparently: 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.e0za100/ch1jes2_24_disk.htm
the disk writer does nothing but wait until a MODIFY command tells
it to SUBMIT a job.  Is that better than SUBMITting immediately and
quitting?

I'd need to look further to learn the constraints on the RECFM and
LRECL of the member to submit from or the submitted JCL.   I'm
so optimistic as to expect there are none beyond those imposed by
JES2 itself.

"Job security is based on the source of the $SUBMIT command."
I don't know what "source" means here, nor whose employment
prospects are affected.

The IEBGENER proc could have been written by customers many
releases ago:
//STEP EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSUT1  DD  DDNAME=IEFRDER  /* I'm guessing.  */
//SYSUT2  DD  SYSOUT=(,INTRDR)
//* ...

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

Well, they're different environments for one thing. FTP FILETYPE=JES is 
wonderful, but it does not run as a JES2 command. Ditto TSO and ISPF SUBMIT.

To nitpick, IEBGENER is irrelevant, right? SYSOUT INTRDR is the key; you can 
get there equally well from IEBGENER, REXX, or a COBOL program.

Charles


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On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:47:56 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>
>IBM added many JES3 features to JES2 over the last decade in an effort
>to make JES2 more palatable to JES3 customers. One of those features was
>support for a "disk reader" -- something JES3 had for as long as anyone
>can remember.
>
>The purpose of a disk reader is to have a JES command submit a job from
>a PDS[E] member. If you're on the right release of JES2, you might have
>this feature.
>
What credentials does this require?  On which userID does that submitted
job run?  Must the JCL member contain a password?

How is this preferable to OMVS submit, TSO SUBMIT, ISPF SUBMIT,
IEBGENER INTRDR, or FTP FILETYPE=JES?  (Only) the last two are not
restricted by the archaic FB-80 restriction.  What about disk reader?

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:47:56 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>
>IBM added many JES3 features to JES2 over the last decade in an effort
>to make JES2 more palatable to JES3 customers. One of those features was
>support for a "disk reader" -- something JES3 had for as long as anyone
>can remember.
>
>The purpose of a disk reader is to have a JES command submit a job from
>a PDS[E] member. If you're on the right release of JES2, you might have
>this feature.
>
What credentials does this require?  On which userID does that submitted
job run?  Must the JCL member contain a password?

How is this preferable to OMVS submit, TSO SUBMIT, ISPF SUBMIT,
IEBGENER INTRDR, or FTP FILETYPE=JES?  (Only) the last two are not
restricted by the archaic FB-80 restriction.  What about disk reader?

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Ed Jaffe]

On 11/18/2020 3:58 PM, Charles Mills wrote:

Thanks. This will work. Kind of convoluted -- a $T A command to issue a $VS 
command to issue an S command to start an STC that submits a job, but hey, it's 
mainframe. If it was easy we wouldn't get the big bucks.

Idle musing: why doesn't JES2 have a command to submit a job, either from a named DSN or 
from a defined PROCLIB? Seems like an incredibly obvious feature. I spent 30 minutes in 
the commands manual going "I know it has to be in here somewhere."


IBM added many JES3 features to JES2 over the last decade in an effort 
to make JES2 more palatable to JES3 customers. One of those features was 
support for a "disk reader" -- something JES3 had for as long as anyone 
can remember.


The purpose of a disk reader is to have a JES command submit a job from 
a PDS[E] member. If you're on the right release of JES2, you might have 
this feature.


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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Seymour J Metz]

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 00:10:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>UNIT=INTRDR is not valid in JES2, and the internal reader is very much alive 
>and well. It does not present a security issue, and bog standard users can 
>exploit it freely.
>
Why do you so often feel it's necessary to state a snarky negative
rather than constructively supplying an alternative or at least
a citation such as:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.hasc300/has2z1_Submitting_to_the_internal_reader_from_jobs_or_tasks.htm

I was told long ago not to bogart an INTRDR because a finite number
would be genned and if all came to be in use hardly anyone could
SUBMIT a job.  I understand subsequently this constraint has been
relieved; INTRDRs are created dynamically.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 00:10:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>UNIT=INTRDR is not valid in JES2, and the internal reader is very much alive 
>and well. It does not present a security issue, and bog standard users can 
>exploit it freely.
>
Why do you so often feel it's necessary to state a snarky negative
rather than constructively supplying an alternative or at least
a citation such as:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.hasc300/has2z1_Submitting_to_the_internal_reader_from_jobs_or_tasks.htm

I was told long ago not to bogart an INTRDR because a finite number
would be genned and if all came to be in use hardly anyone could
SUBMIT a job.  I understand subsequently this constraint has been
relieved; INTRDRs are created dynamically.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Seymour J Metz]

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Let's say the started task is setup as SURROGAT for multiple userids.
As one of those id's, if I am given access to the JCL I could submit a
job as if I was another one of those id's.  No?

On 11/19/2020 4:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Sure, but why do you think that specifying the userid will do them any good?
>
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>
> I just thought of one more problem with my scenario.  If the JCL can be
> updated by the user, then they could set USER= to whatever they want,
> spoiling the idea of using a single STC for multiple users.
>
> On 11/19/2020 11:13 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
>> So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the user and they decide to
>> remove the USER= parm, then the STC userid would get control.  And in
>> that case the unique userid set up for that STC would have little access
>> and would likely fail on the first dataset.
>>
>> Do I have that about right?
>>
>> On 11/19/2020 11:04 AM, David Spiegel wrote:
>>> Hi Skip,
>>> "... the default SAF userid for STCs will be propagated to the
>>> submitted job ..."
>>> If the submitted job has a USER= on the Job Card and the RDR STC's
>>> Userid has SURROGAT to all owner of SUBMIT'd Jobs, this is not a problem.
>>> (I also would not give RDR the default STCID.)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 2020-11-19 13:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
 We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with
 stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like
 many other shops, ages ago we wrote our own version with customized
 data set and unit parameters.

 The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF
 userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might
 be wildly inappropriate for the average user.

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 We have a rather simple solution we use.

 We have this command in the JES commands member:

 $TA,T=23.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''

 That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is in
 the JES PROCLIB concatenation.

 It looks like this:

 //JOBPROC J=XXX,   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT*/
 //   L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ' /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
 //**/
 //*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS   */
 //**/
 //STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
 //SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
 //SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
 //SYSINDD DUMMY

 The JES command formats out like this:

 S JOB,J=CLEANJES

 Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the
 SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library to the queue.

 The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh
 the commands.

 //CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
 // MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
 //*
 //*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
 //*@   COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
 //*
 // COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
 // COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
 // COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''
 // COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
 //STEP1EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
 /*

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 I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to 

Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Wayne Bickerdike]

AUTO is file 332 I believe.

Referenced here along with JES2 $TA commands.

http://www.longpelaexpertise.com/ezine/DoWeNeedAutomationSoftware.php

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 8:14 AM R.S.  wrote:

> W dniu 19.11.2020 o 21:46, Wayne Bickerdike pisze:
> > Charles,
> >
> > I like Bobby Herring's solution. We use similar commands combined with
> > automation at one customer.
> >
> > AUTO is very, very easy to install.
> >
> > It uses a PDS with this syntax : @2230
> >
> > At 2230, it does whatever is in the member with a day flag:
> >
> > +1+2+
> > *  MTWTF   I SMF
> > MTWTFSS S DELDUMP
> > I clean up the dump dataset at intervals.
>
> Maybe I lost some posts, but I haven't seen any mention of the tool.
> Is it something available on CBTtape?
>
> I guess there may be other tools on cbttape as well. This is another
> point to mention, which I omitted for simplicity.
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

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It will not without a password 

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> On Nov 19, 2020, at 18:12, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> 
> Sure, but why do you think that specifying the userid will do them any good?
> 
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> 
> I just thought of one more problem with my scenario.  If the JCL can be
> updated by the user, then they could set USER= to whatever they want,
> spoiling the idea of using a single STC for multiple users.
> 
>> On 11/19/2020 11:13 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
>> So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the user and they decide to
>> remove the USER= parm, then the STC userid would get control.  And in
>> that case the unique userid set up for that STC would have little access
>> and would likely fail on the first dataset.
>> 
>> Do I have that about right?
>> 
>>> On 11/19/2020 11:04 AM, David Spiegel wrote:
>>> Hi Skip,
>>> "... the default SAF userid for STCs will be propagated to the
>>> submitted job ..."
>>> If the submitted job has a USER= on the Job Card and the RDR STC's
>>> Userid has SURROGAT to all owner of SUBMIT'd Jobs, this is not a problem.
>>> (I also would not give RDR the default STCID.)
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> David
>>> 
>>> On 2020-11-19 13:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
 We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with
 stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like
 many other shops, ages ago we wrote our own version with customized
 data set and unit parameters.
 
 The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF
 userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might
 be wildly inappropriate for the average user.
 
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Tom Brennan]

Let's say the started task is setup as SURROGAT for multiple userids. 
As one of those id's, if I am given access to the JCL I could submit a 
job as if I was another one of those id's.  No?


On 11/19/2020 4:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

Sure, but why do you think that specifying the userid will do them any good?


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Brennan 
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Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

I just thought of one more problem with my scenario.  If the JCL can be
updated by the user, then they could set USER= to whatever they want,
spoiling the idea of using a single STC for multiple users.

On 11/19/2020 11:13 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:

So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the user and they decide to
remove the USER= parm, then the STC userid would get control.  And in
that case the unique userid set up for that STC would have little access
and would likely fail on the first dataset.

Do I have that about right?

On 11/19/2020 11:04 AM, David Spiegel wrote:

Hi Skip,
"... the default SAF userid for STCs will be propagated to the
submitted job ..."
If the submitted job has a USER= on the Job Card and the RDR STC's
Userid has SURROGAT to all owner of SUBMIT'd Jobs, this is not a problem.
(I also would not give RDR the default STCID.)

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 13:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with
stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like
many other shops, ages ago we wrote our own version with customized
data set and unit parameters.

The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF
userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might
be wildly inappropriate for the average user.

.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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We have a rather simple solution we use.

We have this command in the JES commands member:

$TA,T=23.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''

That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is in
the JES PROCLIB concatenation.

It looks like this:

//JOBPROC J=XXX,   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT*/
//   L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ' /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
//**/
//*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS   */
//**/
//STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//SYSINDD DUMMY

The JES command formats out like this:

S JOB,J=CLEANJES

Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the
SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library to the queue.

The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh
the commands.

//CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
// MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
//*
//*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
//*@   COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
//*
// COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
// COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
// COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''
// COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
//STEP1EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
/*

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Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the
$TA schedule that will run a job" and these replies have provided the
answer.
The answer is something like

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the
idea.

Charles


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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:

Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.

But the S RDR... command doesn't start a 

Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Seymour J Metz]

Sure, but why do you think that specifying the userid will do them any good?


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Brennan 
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Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

I just thought of one more problem with my scenario.  If the JCL can be
updated by the user, then they could set USER= to whatever they want,
spoiling the idea of using a single STC for multiple users.

On 11/19/2020 11:13 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
> So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the user and they decide to
> remove the USER= parm, then the STC userid would get control.  And in
> that case the unique userid set up for that STC would have little access
> and would likely fail on the first dataset.
>
> Do I have that about right?
>
> On 11/19/2020 11:04 AM, David Spiegel wrote:
>> Hi Skip,
>> "... the default SAF userid for STCs will be propagated to the
>> submitted job ..."
>> If the submitted job has a USER= on the Job Card and the RDR STC's
>> Userid has SURROGAT to all owner of SUBMIT'd Jobs, this is not a problem.
>> (I also would not give RDR the default STCID.)
>>
>> Regards,
>> David
>>
>> On 2020-11-19 13:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>> We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with
>>> stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like
>>> many other shops, ages ago we wrote our own version with customized
>>> data set and unit parameters.
>>>
>>> The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF
>>> userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might
>>> be wildly inappropriate for the average user.
>>>
>>> .
>>> .
>>> J.O.Skip Robinson
>>> Southern California Edison Company
>>> Electric Dragon Team Paddler
>>> SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
>>> 323-715-0595 Mobile
>>> 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW
>>> robin...@sce.com
>>>
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>>> Behalf Of Herring, Bobby
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:26 AM
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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>>>
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>>>
>>> We have a rather simple solution we use.
>>>
>>> We have this command in the JES commands member:
>>>
>>> $TA,T=23.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
>>>
>>> That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is in
>>> the JES PROCLIB concatenation.
>>>
>>> It looks like this:
>>>
>>> //JOBPROC J=XXX,   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT*/
>>> //   L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ' /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
>>> //**/
>>> //*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS   */
>>> //**/
>>> //STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
>>> //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
>>> //SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
>>> //SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
>>> //SYSINDD DUMMY
>>>
>>> The JES command formats out like this:
>>>
>>> S JOB,J=CLEANJES
>>>
>>> Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the
>>> SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library to the queue.
>>>
>>> The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh
>>> the commands.
>>>
>>> //CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
>>> // MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
>>> //*
>>> //*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
>>> //*@   COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
>>> //*
>>> // COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
>>> // COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
>>> // COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''
>>> // COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
>>> //STEP1EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
>>> /*
>>>
>>> Bobby Herring
>>> Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
>>> Waco, Tx
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
>>> Behalf Of Charles Mills
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:34 AM
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?
>>>
>>> I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use that.
>>> It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the
>>> $TA schedule that will run a job" and these replies have provided the
>>> answer.
>>> The answer is something like
>>>
>>> $T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '
>>>
>>> I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the
>>> idea.
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Behalf Of Jeremy Nicoll
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:20 AM
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?
>>>
>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:
 Right! I remember that. I remember 

Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Seymour J Metz]

UNIT=INTRDR is not valid in JES2, and the internal reader is very much alive 
and well. It does not present a security issue, and bog standard users can 
exploit it freely.


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In article <0a3501d6be09$afb97b80$0f2c7280$@mcn.org>,
 Charles Mills  wrote:

> Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
> started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And then
> you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.
>
> Sometimes nostalgia actually is the answer.

HASP made it easier; if you allocated an output data set as UNIT=INTRDR,
whatever was written to it would get read as input to HASP (that is, if it
started with a //JOB  card, it would be treated as a batch job).  I
believe that was carried into JES2, as well, but for security reasons, it
isn't used that way any more.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Tom Brennan]

Thanks... and that might be the key.  Then it ends up like we used to 
run CA7 where application programmers created the JCL, but it was run 
through a review process before being implemented.  In the early days 
the jobs all ran under the CA7 task's userid which had high access. 
Later USER= was used and of course JCL still reviewed.


On 11/19/2020 11:22 AM, David Spiegel wrote:

I'm not sure that I would give users access to update such JCL.

On 2020-11-19 14:13, Tom Brennan wrote:
So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the user and they decide to 
remove the USER= parm, then the STC userid would get control.  And in 
that case the unique userid set up for that STC would have little 
access and would likely fail on the first dataset.


Do I have that about right?

On 11/19/2020 11:04 AM, David Spiegel wrote:

Hi Skip,
"... the default SAF userid for STCs will be propagated to the 
submitted job ..."
If the submitted job has a USER= on the Job Card and the RDR STC's 
Userid has SURROGAT to all owner of SUBMIT'd Jobs, this is not a 
problem.

(I also would not give RDR the default STCID.)

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 13:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with 
stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like 
many other shops, ages ago we wrote our own version with customized 
data set and unit parameters.


The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF 
userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might 
be wildly inappropriate for the average user.


.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
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We have a rather simple solution we use.

We have this command in the JES commands member:

$TA,T=23.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''

That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is in 
the JES PROCLIB concatenation.


It looks like this:

//JOB    PROC J=XXX,   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT    */
//   L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ' /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
//**/
//*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS   */
//**/
//STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//SYSIN    DD DUMMY

The JES command formats out like this:

S JOB,J=CLEANJES

Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the 
SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library to the queue.


The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh 
the commands.


//CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
// MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
//*
//*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
//*@   COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
//*
// COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
// COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
// COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''
// COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
//STEP1    EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
/*

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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:34 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use 
that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the 
$TA schedule that will run a job" and these replies have provided 
the answer.

The answer is something like

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the 
idea.


Charles


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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:

Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.
But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just 
starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for 
faking a


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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

Skinning a cat is certainly an idiom. Like most idioms, its origin is obscure 
or even controversial--not so much the idea, but the history of the phrase. I 
Googled it and delighted in the variations. For one, 

"There's more than one way to skin a cat means there are many ways to do 
something, there are many ways to achieve a goal. The oldest known use of the 
phrase dates back to 1854, in the work 'Way down East; or, Portraitures of 
Yankee Life by Seba Smith."

Yet another citation says 

"But by the 19th century, the tide had turned decisively against poor Kitty. In 
1840, American humorist Seba Smith indicated as much in her short story “The 
Money Diggers” when she wrote: “As it is said, ‘There are more ways than one to 
skin a cat,’ so are there more ways than one of digging for money.”

Same person, different work cited. As I said, no one has ever detailed the 
options. And in the end, does it matter to the cat? 

.
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W dniu 19.11.2020 o 21:48, David Spiegel pisze:
> Hi Skip,
> "... That means your job may contain DD * statements, etc.  ..."
> As of z/OS 1.13, Cataloged Procedures can have DD *

Yes, I wanted to say that as well, but simply forgot. There are also new 
features in JCL since z/OS 2.1, which I didn't mention. However my point was to 
focus on started job - which is very, very close to the topic.
And it is really simple, isn't it?


BTW: "Hi Skip" - is it some kind of idiom?



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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 11:21:17 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>Yes indeed, if an unwashed user can update the member passed to RDR then all 
>bets are off.
> 
There's an implied argument here supporting the crontab; /bin/submit
approach: such unwashed users might be loath to further dirty their
hands with UNIX facilities.

>I would guess that if anything the "STC userid" would likely have more access 
>than was desirable.
>
>I am not proposing this as a universal solution; I am proposing it as MY 
>solution.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[R.S.]

W dniu 19.11.2020 o 22:13, David Spiegel pisze:

Hi Radek,
After I sent it, I realized that I addressed you incorrectly. Sorry.


No problem at all. I just suspected there is some meaning of such 
sentence which I don't understand. Curiosity - that's all.


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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 15:48:41 -0500, David Spiegel wrote:
>
>"... That means your job may contain DD * statements, etc.  ..."
>As of z/OS 1.13, Cataloged Procedures can have DD *
>
That's newly true likewise of inline Procedures.  Either provides
a valuable ability to modify instream data sets as:
//SYSIN  DD  *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[R.S.]

W dniu 19.11.2020 o 21:46, Wayne Bickerdike pisze:

Charles,

I like Bobby Herring's solution. We use similar commands combined with
automation at one customer.

AUTO is very, very easy to install.

It uses a PDS with this syntax : @2230

At 2230, it does whatever is in the member with a day flag:

+1+2+
*  MTWTF   I SMF
MTWTFSS S DELDUMP
I clean up the dump dataset at intervals.


Maybe I lost some posts, but I haven't seen any mention of the tool.
Is it something available on CBTtape?

I guess there may be other tools on cbttape as well. This is another 
point to mention, which I omitted for simplicity.
Yes, there is big gap between answer to help person and to describe all 
possible solutions.


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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[David Spiegel]

Hi Radek,
After I sent it, I realized that I addressed you incorrectly. Sorry.

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 16:09, R.S. wrote:

W dniu 19.11.2020 o 21:48, David Spiegel pisze:

Hi Skip,
"... That means your job may contain DD * statements, etc.  ..."
As of z/OS 1.13, Cataloged Procedures can have DD *


Yes, I wanted to say that as well, but simply forgot. There are also 
new features in JCL since z/OS 2.1, which I didn't mention. However my 
point was to focus on started job - which is very, very close to the 
topic. And it is really simple, isn't it?



BTW: "Hi Skip" - is it some kind of idiom?





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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[R.S.]

W dniu 19.11.2020 o 21:48, David Spiegel pisze:

Hi Skip,
"... That means your job may contain DD * statements, etc.  ..."
As of z/OS 1.13, Cataloged Procedures can have DD *


Yes, I wanted to say that as well, but simply forgot. There are also new 
features in JCL since z/OS 2.1, which I didn't mention. However my point 
was to focus on started job - which is very, very close to the topic. 
And it is really simple, isn't it?



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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[David Spiegel]

Hi Skip,
"... That means your job may contain DD * statements, etc.  ..."
As of z/OS 1.13, Cataloged Procedures can have DD *

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 15:23, R.S. wrote:

W dniu 19.11.2020 o 00:00, Charles Mills pisze:

Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
analogous to TSO SUBMIT?

I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't 
have a
real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T 
A,I=86400,'command'
but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious 
thing

for JES2 to be able to do.

Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just 
happens to

end after a minute or so?

I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) 
such
that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but 
also
left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? 
Or ...

?

Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.


My €0.02:
1. For professional scheduling there are commercial tools like BMC 
CTM, IBM TWS, CA ESP, etc. Of course it is not worth to pay just to 
schedule one job a day. However ...maybe you have it already in your 
shop? Just check it.



2. For JES2 (and no batch scheduler) I would use $TA... $VS S member.
That means your JES2 'wannabe-scheduler'  periodically issue START 
command, which is MVS command.
Old farts say it is for starting members of PROCLIB, that mean JCL 
procedures. It is no longer true (for years), you can start a job 
using same command and same library. That means your job may contain 
DD * statements, etc.

Not enough? Well you started job/procedure may submit regular job.

Caution: is it SIMPLE. Mainframe gurus will hate it ;-)


3. There are other ways to skin a cat. Some of them include existing 
tools, like cron, however really aspiring way is to start with 
assembler, APF and MODESET 0. ;-)

(yes, this is kind of joke)



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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Wayne Bickerdike]

Charles,

I like Bobby Herring's solution. We use similar commands combined with
automation at one customer.

AUTO is very, very easy to install.

It uses a PDS with this syntax : @2230

At 2230, it does whatever is in the member with a day flag:

+1+2+
*  MTWTF   I SMF
   MTWTFSS S DELDUMP
I clean up the dump dataset at intervals.




On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 7:24 AM R.S.  wrote:

> W dniu 19.11.2020 o 00:00, Charles Mills pisze:
> > Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
> > analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
> >
> > I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't
> have a
> > real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T
> A,I=86400,'command'
> > but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious thing
> > for JES2 to be able to do.
> >
> > Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just happens to
> > end after a minute or so?
> >
> > I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever)
> such
> > that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
> > left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? Or
> ...
> > ?
> >
> > Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.
>
> My €0.02:
> 1. For professional scheduling there are commercial tools like BMC CTM,
> IBM TWS, CA ESP, etc. Of course it is not worth to pay just to schedule
> one job a day. However ...maybe you have it already in your shop? Just
> check it.
>
>
> 2. For JES2 (and no batch scheduler) I would use $TA... $VS S member.
> That means your JES2 'wannabe-scheduler'  periodically issue START
> command, which is MVS command.
> Old farts say it is for starting members of PROCLIB, that mean JCL
> procedures. It is no longer true (for years), you can start a job using
> same command and same library. That means your job may contain DD *
> statements, etc.
> Not enough? Well you started job/procedure may submit regular job.
>
> Caution: is it SIMPLE. Mainframe gurus will hate it ;-)
>
>
> 3. There are other ways to skin a cat. Some of them include existing
> tools, like cron, however really aspiring way is to start with
> assembler, APF and MODESET 0. ;-)
> (yes, this is kind of joke)
>
> --
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> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

There are apparently several ways to skin a cat. Are they documented anywhere? 
Aside from the question of why do it, I've always wondered if the cat cares...

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W dniu 19.11.2020 o 00:00, Charles Mills pisze:
> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly 
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
> I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't 
> have a real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T 
> A,I=86400,'command'
> but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious 
> thing for JES2 to be able to do.
>
> Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just happens 
> to end after a minute or so?
>
> I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) 
> such that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command 
> but also left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right 
> track? Or ...
> ?
>
> Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.

My €0.02:
1. For professional scheduling there are commercial tools like BMC CTM, IBM 
TWS, CA ESP, etc. Of course it is not worth to pay just to schedule one job a 
day. However ...maybe you have it already in your shop? Just check it.


2. For JES2 (and no batch scheduler) I would use $TA... $VS S member.
That means your JES2 'wannabe-scheduler'  periodically issue START command, 
which is MVS command.
Old farts say it is for starting members of PROCLIB, that mean JCL procedures. 
It is no longer true (for years), you can start a job using same command and 
same library. That means your job may contain DD * statements, etc.
Not enough? Well you started job/procedure may submit regular job.

Caution: is it SIMPLE. Mainframe gurus will hate it ;-)


3. There are other ways to skin a cat. Some of them include existing tools, 
like cron, however really aspiring way is to start with assembler, APF and 
MODESET 0. ;-) (yes, this is kind of joke)

--
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Lodz, Poland


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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[R.S.]

W dniu 19.11.2020 o 00:00, Charles Mills pisze:

Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
analogous to TSO SUBMIT?

I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T A,I=86400,'command'
but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious thing
for JES2 to be able to do.

Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just happens to
end after a minute or so?

I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) such
that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? Or ...
?

Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.


My €0.02:
1. For professional scheduling there are commercial tools like BMC CTM, 
IBM TWS, CA ESP, etc. Of course it is not worth to pay just to schedule 
one job a day. However ...maybe you have it already in your shop? Just 
check it.



2. For JES2 (and no batch scheduler) I would use $TA... $VS S member.
That means your JES2 'wannabe-scheduler'  periodically issue START 
command, which is MVS command.
Old farts say it is for starting members of PROCLIB, that mean JCL 
procedures. It is no longer true (for years), you can start a job using 
same command and same library. That means your job may contain DD * 
statements, etc.

Not enough? Well you started job/procedure may submit regular job.

Caution: is it SIMPLE. Mainframe gurus will hate it ;-)


3. There are other ways to skin a cat. Some of them include existing 
tools, like cron, however really aspiring way is to start with 
assembler, APF and MODESET 0. ;-)

(yes, this is kind of joke)

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[David Spiegel]

I'm not sure that I would give users access to update such JCL.

On 2020-11-19 14:13, Tom Brennan wrote:
So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the user and they decide to 
remove the USER= parm, then the STC userid would get control.  And in 
that case the unique userid set up for that STC would have little 
access and would likely fail on the first dataset.


Do I have that about right?

On 11/19/2020 11:04 AM, David Spiegel wrote:

Hi Skip,
"... the default SAF userid for STCs will be propagated to the 
submitted job ..."
If the submitted job has a USER= on the Job Card and the RDR STC's 
Userid has SURROGAT to all owner of SUBMIT'd Jobs, this is not a 
problem.

(I also would not give RDR the default STCID.)

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 13:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with 
stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like 
many other shops, ages ago we wrote our own version with customized 
data set and unit parameters.


The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF 
userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might 
be wildly inappropriate for the average user.


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We have a rather simple solution we use.

We have this command in the JES commands member:

$TA,T=23.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''

That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is in 
the JES PROCLIB concatenation.


It looks like this:

//JOB    PROC J=XXX,   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT    */
//   L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ' /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
//**/
//*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS   */
//**/
//STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//SYSIN    DD DUMMY

The JES command formats out like this:

S JOB,J=CLEANJES

Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the 
SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library to the queue.


The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh 
the commands.


//CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
// MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
//*
//*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
//*@   COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
//*
// COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
// COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
// COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''
// COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
//STEP1    EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
/*

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I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use 
that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the 
$TA schedule that will run a job" and these replies have provided 
the answer.

The answer is something like

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the 
idea.


Charles


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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:

Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.
But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just 
starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for 
faking a


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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[David Spiegel]

Yeah, but, the STC Userid has to have SURROGAT to it, otherwise it fails.

On 2020-11-19 14:16, Tom Brennan wrote:
I just thought of one more problem with my scenario.  If the JCL can 
be updated by the user, then they could set USER= to whatever they 
want, spoiling the idea of using a single STC for multiple users.


On 11/19/2020 11:13 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the user and they decide to 
remove the USER= parm, then the STC userid would get control.  And in 
that case the unique userid set up for that STC would have little 
access and would likely fail on the first dataset.


Do I have that about right?

On 11/19/2020 11:04 AM, David Spiegel wrote:

Hi Skip,
"... the default SAF userid for STCs will be propagated to the 
submitted job ..."
If the submitted job has a USER= on the Job Card and the RDR STC's 
Userid has SURROGAT to all owner of SUBMIT'd Jobs, this is not a 
problem.

(I also would not give RDR the default STCID.)

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 13:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy 
with stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So 
like many other shops, ages ago we wrote our own version with 
customized data set and unit parameters.


The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF 
userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might 
be wildly inappropriate for the average user.


.
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We have a rather simple solution we use.

We have this command in the JES commands member:

$TA,T=23.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''

That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is 
in the JES PROCLIB concatenation.


It looks like this:

//JOB    PROC J=XXX,   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT    */
//   L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ' /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
//**/
//*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS   */
//**/
//STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//SYSIN    DD DUMMY

The JES command formats out like this:

S JOB,J=CLEANJES

Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the 
SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library to the queue.


The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh 
the commands.


//CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
// MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
//*
//*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
//*@   COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
//*
// COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
// COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
// COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''
// COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
//STEP1    EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
/*

Bobby Herring
Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use 
that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the 
$TA schedule that will run a job" and these replies have provided 
the answer.

The answer is something like

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's 
the idea.


Charles


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Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:

Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.
But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just 
starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for 
faking a


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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

Yes indeed, if an unwashed user can update the member passed to RDR then all 
bets are off.

I would guess that if anything the "STC userid" would likely have more access 
than was desirable.

I am not proposing this as a universal solution; I am proposing it as MY 
solution.

Charles


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Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the user and they decide to 
remove the USER= parm, then the STC userid would get control.  And in 
that case the unique userid set up for that STC would have little access 
and would likely fail on the first dataset.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Randy Hudson]

In article <0a3501d6be09$afb97b80$0f2c7280$@mcn.org>,
 Charles Mills  wrote:

> Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
> started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And then
> you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.
>
> Sometimes nostalgia actually is the answer.

HASP made it easier; if you allocated an output data set as UNIT=INTRDR,
whatever was written to it would get read as input to HASP (that is, if it
started with a //JOB  card, it would be treated as a batch job).  I
believe that was carried into JES2, as well, but for security reasons, it
isn't used that way any more.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Tom Brennan]

I just thought of one more problem with my scenario.  If the JCL can be 
updated by the user, then they could set USER= to whatever they want, 
spoiling the idea of using a single STC for multiple users.


On 11/19/2020 11:13 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the user and they decide to 
remove the USER= parm, then the STC userid would get control.  And in 
that case the unique userid set up for that STC would have little access 
and would likely fail on the first dataset.


Do I have that about right?

On 11/19/2020 11:04 AM, David Spiegel wrote:

Hi Skip,
"... the default SAF userid for STCs will be propagated to the 
submitted job ..."
If the submitted job has a USER= on the Job Card and the RDR STC's 
Userid has SURROGAT to all owner of SUBMIT'd Jobs, this is not a problem.

(I also would not give RDR the default STCID.)

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 13:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with 
stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like 
many other shops, ages ago we wrote our own version with customized 
data set and unit parameters.


The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF 
userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might 
be wildly inappropriate for the average user.


.
.
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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:26 AM
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We have a rather simple solution we use.

We have this command in the JES commands member:

$TA,T=23.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''

That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is in 
the JES PROCLIB concatenation.


It looks like this:

//JOB    PROC J=XXX,   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT    */
//   L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ' /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
//**/
//*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS   */
//**/
//STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//SYSIN    DD DUMMY

The JES command formats out like this:

S JOB,J=CLEANJES

Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the 
SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library to the queue.


The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh 
the commands.


//CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
// MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
//*
//*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
//*@   COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
//*
// COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
// COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
// COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''
// COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
//STEP1    EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
/*

Bobby Herring
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
Behalf Of Charles Mills

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:34 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the 
$TA schedule that will run a job" and these replies have provided the 
answer.

The answer is something like

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the 
idea.


Charles


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On Behalf Of Jeremy Nicoll

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:

Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.
But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just 
starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for 
faking a


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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Tom Brennan]

So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the user and they decide to 
remove the USER= parm, then the STC userid would get control.  And in 
that case the unique userid set up for that STC would have little access 
and would likely fail on the first dataset.


Do I have that about right?

On 11/19/2020 11:04 AM, David Spiegel wrote:

Hi Skip,
"... the default SAF userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted 
job ..."
If the submitted job has a USER= on the Job Card and the RDR STC's 
Userid has SURROGAT to all owner of SUBMIT'd Jobs, this is not a problem.

(I also would not give RDR the default STCID.)

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 13:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with 
stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like many 
other shops, ages ago we wrote our own version with customized data 
set and unit parameters.


The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF 
userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might be 
wildly inappropriate for the average user.


.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
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SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
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We have a rather simple solution we use.

We have this command in the JES commands member:

$TA,T=23.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''

That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is in 
the JES PROCLIB concatenation.


It looks like this:

//JOB    PROC J=XXX,   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT    */
//   L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ' /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
//**/
//*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS   */
//**/
//STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//SYSIN    DD DUMMY

The JES command formats out like this:

S JOB,J=CLEANJES

Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the 
SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library to the queue.


The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh the 
commands.


//CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
// MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
//*
//*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
//*@   COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
//*
// COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
// COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
// COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''
// COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
//STEP1    EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
/*

Bobby Herring
Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
Behalf Of Charles Mills

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:34 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the $TA 
schedule that will run a job" and these replies have provided the answer.

The answer is something like

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the 
idea.


Charles


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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:

Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.
But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just 
starting a

started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for faking a

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[David Spiegel]

Hi Charles,
If you code all of my overrides, the problem of VOL=, DCB= etc. will be 
bypassed and you will be able to use the RDR Cataloged Procedure forever.


Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 14:02, Charles Mills wrote:

stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one

At least on this system (which I inherited) IEFRDER specifies UNIT=TAPE,DCB=BLKSIZE=80, 
and a hard-coded VOLSER. "Work for pretty much no one" is overly optimistic!

I'm aware of the userid issue and think I can live with it. I suppose USER= on 
the JOB (with appropriate SURROGAT permissions) might alleviate it somewhat.

Charles


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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with stuff 
coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like many other shops, 
ages ago we wrote our own version with customized data set and unit parameters.

The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF userid for 
STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might be wildly 
inappropriate for the average user.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[David Spiegel]

Hi Skip,
"... the default SAF userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted 
job ..."
If the submitted job has a USER= on the Job Card and the RDR STC's 
Userid has SURROGAT to all owner of SUBMIT'd Jobs, this is not a problem.

(I also would not give RDR the default STCID.)

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 13:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with stuff 
coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like many other shops, 
ages ago we wrote our own version with customized data set and unit parameters.

The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF userid for 
STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might be wildly 
inappropriate for the average user.

.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
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323-715-0595 Mobile
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We have a rather simple solution we use.

We have this command in the JES commands member:

$TA,T=23.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''

That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is in the JES 
PROCLIB concatenation.

It looks like this:

//JOBPROC J=XXX,   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT*/
//   L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ' /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
//**/
//*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS   */
//**/
//STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//SYSINDD DUMMY

The JES command formats out like this:

S JOB,J=CLEANJES

Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library 
to the queue.

The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh the commands.

//CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
// MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
//*
//*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
//*@   COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
//*
// COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
// COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
// COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''
// COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
//STEP1EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
/*

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Charles Mills
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:34 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the $TA schedule that 
will run a job" and these replies have provided the answer.
The answer is something like

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the idea.

Charles


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Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:

Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.

But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for faking a

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

> stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one

At least on this system (which I inherited) IEFRDER specifies 
UNIT=TAPE,DCB=BLKSIZE=80, and a hard-coded VOLSER. "Work for pretty much no 
one" is overly optimistic!

I'm aware of the userid issue and think I can live with it. I suppose USER= on 
the JOB (with appropriate SURROGAT permissions) might alleviate it somewhat.

Charles


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Of Jesse 1 Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with stuff 
coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like many other shops, 
ages ago we wrote our own version with customized data set and unit parameters. 

The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF userid for 
STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might be wildly 
inappropriate for the average user. 

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

You're right about the cyclical refresh of auto commands. Without some kind of 
intervention, JES2 auto commands with T= will expire at midnight. So we 
schedule an auto command for midnight to reinstate all auto commands. The 
process is remarkably resilient. I recall only a handful of failures in 25 
years. 

.
.
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Thanks.

> why not AUTO

Trying to keep things simple. Trying to avoid one more piece in the puzzle if 
possible. Nothing whatsoever against AUTO specifically or the CBT tape in 
general.

> issue SLEEP on schedule

Great idea. I will look into that.

> Self-perpetuating job, that submits itself as its last step

Something about that bothers me. A failure would end the chain until manual 
intervention restarted it. I know, I am not being entirely logically consistent 
here.

Charles


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Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

Charles,

Why don't you grab a copy of AUTO from the CBT tape. It has a scheduler 
function.

We use it on Dallas to schedule the SLEEP command after business hours to save 
some costs.

We also have a schedule set up to do ADRDDSU backups and an offsite FTP.

You could also have a job that submits itself to the internal reader when it 
completes, code it as TYPRUN=HOLD and have AUTO release it.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with stuff 
coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like many other shops, 
ages ago we wrote our own version with customized data set and unit parameters. 

The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF userid for 
STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might be wildly 
inappropriate for the average user. 

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We have a rather simple solution we use.

We have this command in the JES commands member:

$TA,T=23.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''

That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is in the JES 
PROCLIB concatenation.

It looks like this:

//JOBPROC J=XXX,   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT*/
//   L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ' /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
//**/
//*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS   */
//**/
//STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//SYSINDD DUMMY

The JES command formats out like this:

S JOB,J=CLEANJES

Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library 
to the queue.

The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh the commands.

//CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
// MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
//*
//*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
//*@   COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
//*
// COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
// COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
// COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''
// COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
//STEP1EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
/*

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I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the $TA schedule 
that will run a job" and these replies have provided the answer.
The answer is something like

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the idea.

Charles


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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:
> Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You 
> started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And 
> then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.

But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for faking a

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

Thanks.

> why not AUTO

Trying to keep things simple. Trying to avoid one more piece in the puzzle if 
possible. Nothing whatsoever against AUTO specifically or the CBT tape in 
general. 

> issue SLEEP on schedule

Great idea. I will look into that.

> Self-perpetuating job, that submits itself as its last step

Something about that bothers me. A failure would end the chain until manual 
intervention restarted it. I know, I am not being entirely logically consistent 
here.

Charles


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Charles,

Why don't you grab a copy of AUTO from the CBT tape. It has a scheduler
function.

We use it on Dallas to schedule the SLEEP command after business hours to
save some costs.

We also have a schedule set up to do ADRDDSU backups and an offsite FTP.

You could also have a job that submits itself to the internal reader when
it completes, code it as TYPRUN=HOLD and have AUTO release it.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Herring, Bobby]

We have a rather simple solution we use.

We have this command in the JES commands member:

$TA,T=23.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''

That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is in the JES 
PROCLIB concatenation.

It looks like this:

//JOBPROC J=XXX,   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT*/
//   L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ' /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
//**/
//*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS   */
//**/
//STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//SYSINDD DUMMY

The JES command formats out like this:

S JOB,J=CLEANJES

Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library 
to the queue.

The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh the commands.

//CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
// MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
//*
//*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
//*@   COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
//*
// COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
// COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''
// COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''
// COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
//STEP1EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
/*

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I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the $TA schedule 
that will run a job" and these replies have provided the answer.
The answer is something like

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the idea.

Charles


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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:
> Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
> started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
> then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.

But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for faking a

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Wayne Bickerdike]

Charles,

Why don't you grab a copy of AUTO from the CBT tape. It has a scheduler
function.

We use it on Dallas to schedule the SLEEP command after business hours to
save some costs.

We also have a schedule set up to do ADRDDSU backups and an offsite FTP.

You could also have a job that submits itself to the internal reader when
it completes, code it as TYPRUN=HOLD and have AUTO release it.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 11:31 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> Obvious answer: because HASP is Half ASP. But you don't need a JES2
> command; IBM provides a proc called RDR that copies its input to an
> internal reader.
>
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>
> Thanks. This will work. Kind of convoluted -- a $T A command to issue a
> $VS command to issue an S command to start an STC that submits a job, but
> hey, it's mainframe. If it was easy we wouldn't get the big bucks.
>
> Idle musing: why doesn't JES2 have a command to submit a job, either from
> a named DSN or from a defined PROCLIB? Seems like an incredibly obvious
> feature. I spent 30 minutes in the commands manual going "I know it has to
> be in here somewhere."
>
> Charles
>
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> We did something like that before we had CA-7 (actually Runtrack). We used
> the $TA command to start a task which then submitted the actual JCL. The
> started task JCL looked something like:
>
> //OPER  PROC JOBLIB=PROD.JOBS.JCLLIB,MEMBER=NOTHING
> //OPER EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
> //SYSIN DD  DUMMY
> //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=Z PURGE CLASS
> //SYSUT2 DD SYSOUT=(*,INTRDR)
> //SYSUT1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
> //* END OF PROC
>
> The $TA  would include the $VS command like: $VS,'S OPER,MEMBER=SOMEJOB'
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 15:46, Rupert Reynolds wrote:
> Most people I mention it to are surprised, and they expect it keep running
> until a modiFy or stoP tells it otherwise.

A good example (if it still is?) of a STC that starts to do something and then
stops is/was SMFDUMP.

We used to use STCs for archiving NetView logs, for copying SYS1.DUMPxx 
to tape (and runnng initial IPCS analysis on them but leaving the listings from
that online, linked to a sysprogs dump-management utility.  Pattern matching
on dump titles dictated which IPCS verbs were used on which dumps).

I also used STCs to do things on behalf of low-privileged TSO users, when 
ispf dialogs they used would request things and SA/390 automation would 
start the right tasks (having checked those users were permitted to make 
those requests).

Some of these STCs ran in only a few seconds.  Often they had multiple steps
and combined code written in assember and rexx.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Seymour J Metz]

It used to be common to issue a bogus START to force allocation processing.  I 
would be surprised if there weren't a lot of very short started tasks in use.


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Most people I mention it to are surprised, and they expect it keep running
until a modiFy or stoP tells it otherwise.

That's the reason I mentioned it :-)

Roops

On Thu., Nov. 19, 2020, 14:22 Jeremy Nicoll, 
wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 14:12, Rupert Reynolds wrote:
> > Off the cuff, I'm pretty sure it runs as an STC, but one that doesn't do
> > the things you'd normally expect an STC to do.
>
> There's nothing that an STC is "normally expected to do".  Some run for
> ages, but some don't.  The significant point is that they start immediately
> (rather than waiting for an initiator), and they tend to do system-y things
> rather than user or batch-suite ones.
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Rupert Reynolds]

Most people I mention it to are surprised, and they expect it keep running
until a modiFy or stoP tells it otherwise.

That's the reason I mentioned it :-)

Roops

On Thu., Nov. 19, 2020, 14:22 Jeremy Nicoll, 
wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 14:12, Rupert Reynolds wrote:
> > Off the cuff, I'm pretty sure it runs as an STC, but one that doesn't do
> > the things you'd normally expect an STC to do.
>
> There's nothing that an STC is "normally expected to do".  Some run for
> ages, but some don't.  The significant point is that they start immediately
> (rather than waiting for an initiator), and they tend to do system-y things
> rather than user or batch-suite ones.
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[David Spiegel]

Hi Charles,
If you are using the "stock" Cataloged Procedure, you will have to 
include all of the "overrides" I specified.


Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 10:34, Charles Mills wrote:

I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the $TA
schedule that will run a job" and these replies have provided the answer.
The answer is something like

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the idea.

Charles


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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:

Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.

But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for faking a

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

As others have asked, what is "the usual"? Sometimes an STC ends almost 
immediately after the START because of some error that is entirely local to the 
STC, such as a bad parameter. z/OS does not seem to mind at all. >From z/OS's 
point of view, an STC that generates an error message and then quits is 
entirely acceptable.

Charles


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Off the cuff, I'm pretty sure it runs as an STC, but one that doesn't do
the things you'd normally expect an STC to do.

I don't know whether any versions of MVS and z/OS, or any automation, would
react to an "STC" ending without doing the usual, but I'd guess not.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[PINION, RICHARD W.]

Have you considered OMVS's CRON?

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I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the $TA schedule 
that will run a job" and these replies have provided the answer.
The answer is something like

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the idea.

Charles


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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:
> Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You 
> started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And 
> then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.

But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just starting a
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the $TA
schedule that will run a job" and these replies have provided the answer.
The answer is something like 

$T A,,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the idea.

Charles


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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:
> Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You 
> started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And 
> then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.

But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for faking a

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Seymour J Metz]

Unless you were really storage constrained, you started a writer and left it 
running untill the next IPL. Also, MVT had something called an ASB Reader, 
which ran at high speed in a small region, then ran a reader/interpreter from 
the DASD file it created.


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Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You started a 
real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And then you did a S WTR 
(?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.

Sometimes nostalgia actually is the answer.

Charles


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Hi Charles,
All of the previous responses did not address your situation.

Here is a solution that only old-timers like myself would think of:
S
RDR,DSN=mypds(mymember),UNIT=,VOL=,DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=80,BLKSIZE=27920),DISP=SHR

RDR is available in SYs1.PROCLIB and has been since dinosaurs roamed the
earth.

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-18 18:00, Charles Mills wrote:
> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
> I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
> real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T A,I=86400,'command'
> but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious thing
> for JES2 to be able to do.
>
> Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just happens to
> end after a minute or so?
>
> I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) such
> that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
> left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? Or ...
> ?
>
> Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.
>
> Charles
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Seymour J Metz]

There's almost nothing special about an STC; it's got essentially the same 
environment as, e.g., APPC, ASCH, JOB, TSU. It has a userid, and its access is 
limited to that for the userid.


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Off the cuff, I'm pretty sure it runs as an STC, but one that doesn't do
the things you'd normally expect an STC to do.

I don't know whether any versions of MVS and z/OS, or any automation, would
react to an "STC" ending without doing the usual, but I'd guess not.
I know MVS 3.8 (TK4-) accepts this happily, as I start my own code from
SYS1.PARMLIB(COMMNDxx)
to create an extra control block and then exit.

Roops

On Thu., Nov. 19, 2020, 13:05 Paul Gilmartin, <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 11:04:32 +, Rupert Reynolds  wrote:
> >
> >//MYJOB  DD  SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
> >looks like a. In fact I've used that from TSO, lthough I can't remember
> >whether the ALLOC command hndles INTRDR, or whether I used SVC 99.
> >
> WRITER(INTRDR)
>
> Likewise for BPXWDYN.
>
> >If the job can justifiably be in something like SYS1.PROCLIB, it's even
> >easier.
> >S MYJOB :-)
>
> Does that run it as a batch job or as a started task?
>
> -- gil
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 14:12, Rupert Reynolds wrote:
> Off the cuff, I'm pretty sure it runs as an STC, but one that doesn't do
> the things you'd normally expect an STC to do.

There's nothing that an STC is "normally expected to do".  Some run for
ages, but some don't.  The significant point is that they start immediately
(rather than waiting for an initiator), and they tend to do system-y things
rather than user or batch-suite ones.  

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Rupert Reynolds]

Off the cuff, I'm pretty sure it runs as an STC, but one that doesn't do
the things you'd normally expect an STC to do.

I don't know whether any versions of MVS and z/OS, or any automation, would
react to an "STC" ending without doing the usual, but I'd guess not.
I know MVS 3.8 (TK4-) accepts this happily, as I start my own code from
SYS1.PARMLIB(COMMNDxx)
to create an extra control block and then exit.

Roops

On Thu., Nov. 19, 2020, 13:05 Paul Gilmartin, <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 11:04:32 +, Rupert Reynolds  wrote:
> >
> >//MYJOB  DD  SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
> >looks like a. In fact I've used that from TSO, lthough I can't remember
> >whether the ALLOC command hndles INTRDR, or whether I used SVC 99.
> >
> WRITER(INTRDR)
>
> Likewise for BPXWDYN.
>
> >If the job can justifiably be in something like SYS1.PROCLIB, it's even
> >easier.
> >S MYJOB :-)
>
> Does that run it as a batch job or as a started task?
>
> -- gil
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Seymour J Metz]

If you have a card reader and you start RDR with the address of a card reader 
then it submits jobs from that cards reader. Subject to security, you can read 
from any dataset as long as it supports FB80.


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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:
> Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
> started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
> then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.

But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for faking a
scheduler.  All you need is a way to run an IEBGENER to an INTRDR and
that could also be in a normal job (subject to what one's security software
allows).

You only need the $TA aspect if you want JES2 to handle the aspect of
deciding when the STC is to execute.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Seymour J Metz]

STC.


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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 11:04:32 +, Rupert Reynolds  wrote:
>
>//MYJOB  DD  SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
>looks like a. In fact I've used that from TSO, lthough I can't remember
>whether the ALLOC command hndles INTRDR, or whether I used SVC 99.
>
WRITER(INTRDR)

Likewise for BPXWDYN.

>If the job can justifiably be in something like SYS1.PROCLIB, it's even
>easier.
>S MYJOB :-)

Does that run it as a batch job or as a started task?

-- gil

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 11:04:32 +, Rupert Reynolds  wrote:
>
>//MYJOB  DD  SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
>looks like a. In fact I've used that from TSO, lthough I can't remember
>whether the ALLOC command hndles INTRDR, or whether I used SVC 99.
> 
WRITER(INTRDR)

Likewise for BPXWDYN.

>If the job can justifiably be in something like SYS1.PROCLIB, it's even
>easier.
>S MYJOB :-)

Does that run it as a batch job or as a started task?

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[John McKown]

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 6:20 PM Paul Gilmartin <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 17:39:33 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>
> > most z/OS people
> >are still fairly ignorant  of z/OS UNIX and are reluctant to use  it. A
> few
> >years ago I had another sysprog complain  about it because, in his words,
> >"It isn't Windows!"
> >
> What's z/OS?  Chopped liver or Windows?
>

Well, of the two choices, I actually like chopped liver.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Rupert Reynolds]

Ah yes
//MYJOB  DD  SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
looks like a. In fact I've used that from TSO, lthough I can't remember
whether the ALLOC command hndles INTRDR, or whether I used SVC 99.

If the job can justifiably be in something like SYS1.PROCLIB, it's even
easier.
S MYJOB :-)

Roops

On Thu., Nov. 19, 2020, 09:20 Jeremy Nicoll, 
wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:
> > Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
> > started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
> > then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.
>
> But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just starting a
> started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for faking a
> scheduler.  All you need is a way to run an IEBGENER to an INTRDR and
> that could also be in a normal job (subject to what one's security software
> allows).
>
> You only need the $TA aspect if you want JES2 to handle the aspect of
> deciding when the STC is to execute.
>
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:
> Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You 
> started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And 
> then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.

But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for faking a
scheduler.  All you need is a way to run an IEBGENER to an INTRDR and
that could also be in a normal job (subject to what one's security software
allows).

You only need the $TA aspect if you want JES2 to handle the aspect of 
deciding when the STC is to execute. 

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Seymour J Metz]

Obvious answer: because HASP is Half ASP. But you don't need a JES2  command; 
IBM provides a proc called RDR that copies its input to an internal reader.


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Thanks. This will work. Kind of convoluted -- a $T A command to issue a $VS 
command to issue an S command to start an STC that submits a job, but hey, it's 
mainframe. If it was easy we wouldn't get the big bucks.

Idle musing: why doesn't JES2 have a command to submit a job, either from a 
named DSN or from a defined PROCLIB? Seems like an incredibly obvious feature. 
I spent 30 minutes in the commands manual going "I know it has to be in here 
somewhere."

Charles


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We did something like that before we had CA-7 (actually Runtrack). We used
the $TA command to start a task which then submitted the actual JCL. The
started task JCL looked something like:

//OPER  PROC JOBLIB=PROD.JOBS.JCLLIB,MEMBER=NOTHING
//OPER EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSIN DD  DUMMY
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=Z PURGE CLASS
//SYSUT2 DD SYSOUT=(*,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//* END OF PROC

The $TA  would include the $VS command like: $VS,'S OPER,MEMBER=SOMEJOB'

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Sri h Kolusu]

> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?

Charles,

You can use the SCHEDULE command to run the job at a particular time. Here
is a detailed explanation of the parms along with examples

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ieab600/iea3b6_schedule_examples_of_schedule_statements.htm

To make it run every day at the specified time, just add another step to
generate the SCHEDULE command for next day execution.

Something like this

//LASTSTEP EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTIN   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=Your.PDS(subjob)
//SORTOUT  DD SYSOUT=(*,INTRDR)
//SYSINDD *
  OPTION COPY
  INREC IFOUTLEN=80,
IFTHEN=(WHEN=INIT,
 OVERLAY=(81:DATE1(/)+1)),
IFTHEN=(WHEN=(01,22,CH,EQ,C'// SCHEDULE HOLDUNTL=('),
BUILD=(C'// SCHEDULE HOLDUNTL=(''',
   C'17:00''',
   C',''',
   86,02,  $ MM
   88,01,  $ /
   89,02,  $ DD
   85,01,  $ /
   81,04,  $ 
   C''')'))
/*



I had a sample member in my pds(subjob) and it has the following contents

//SCHEDJOB JOB (B004273,BIN#,BLDG#,DEPT#),,
// MSGCLASS=H,MSGLEVEL=(1,1),CLASS=A,NOTIFY=
/*
// SCHEDULE HOLDUNTL=('17:00','11/18/2020')
/*
//STEP0100 EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT1   DD *
ABC
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD DUMMY
/*

To this we will add the last step as shown above. That last step will
change the SCHEDULE command to "Current date+1" as hold and it will submit
the job to INTRDR. So as soon this job ran the next day's job will be in
the INPUT queue waiting for it to be executed.

So you submit the job once and it will take care of submitting itself
everyday until you cancel


Further if you have any question please let me know

Thanks.
Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation


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> From: Charles Mills 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 11/18/2020 04:01 PM
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
> I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have
a
> real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T
A,I=86400,'command'
> but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious thing
> for JES2 to be able to do.
>
> Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just happens to
> end after a minute or so?
>
> I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever)
such
> that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
> left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track?
Or ...
> ?
>
> Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.
>
> Charles
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Seymour J Metz]

Subject to security constraints.  


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Hi Charles,
All of the previous responses did not address your situation.

Here is a solution that only old-timers like myself would think of:
S
RDR,DSN=mypds(mymember),UNIT=,VOL=,DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=80,BLKSIZE=27920),DISP=SHR

RDR is available in SYs1.PROCLIB and has been since dinosaurs roamed the
earth.

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-18 18:00, Charles Mills wrote:
> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
> I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
> real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T A,I=86400,'command'
> but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious thing
> for JES2 to be able to do.
>
> Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just happens to
> end after a minute or so?
>
> I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) such
> that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
> left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? Or ...
> ?
>
> Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.
>
> Charles
>
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

Available in V2R3!

Charles


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Thanks. Looks perfect. $T SUBMITLIB to set it up.

Unfortunately, environment is V2R3.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

Thanks. Looks perfect. $T SUBMITLIB to set it up.

Unfortunately, environment is V2R3.

Charles


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JES2 at the z/OS 2.4 level has a $SUBMIT command, with the infrastructure to 
dynamically add datasets and such to use for job submission. The commands 
manual has information about it.

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You started a 
real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And then you did a S WTR 
(?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.

Sometimes nostalgia actually is the answer.

Charles


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Hi Charles,
All of the previous responses did not address your situation.

Here is a solution that only old-timers like myself would think of:
S 
RDR,DSN=mypds(mymember),UNIT=,VOL=,DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=80,BLKSIZE=27920),DISP=SHR

RDR is available in SYs1.PROCLIB and has been since dinosaurs roamed the 
earth.

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-18 18:00, Charles Mills wrote:
> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
> I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
> real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T A,I=86400,'command'
> but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious thing
> for JES2 to be able to do.
>
> Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just happens to
> end after a minute or so?
>
> I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) such
> that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
> left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? Or ...
> ?
>
> Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.
>
> Charles
>
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 17:39:33 -0600, John McKown wrote:

> most z/OS people
>are still fairly ignorant  of z/OS UNIX and are reluctant to use  it. A few
>years ago I had another sysprog complain  about it because, in his words,
>"It isn't Windows!"
> 
What's z/OS?  Chopped liver or Windows?


On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 18:58:54 -0500, David Spiegel wrote:
>
>All of the previous responses did not address your situation.
> S 
> RDR,DSN=mypds(mymember),UNIT=,VOL=,DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=80,BLKSIZE=27920),DISP=SHR

>On 2020-11-18 18:00, Charles Mills wrote:
>>
>> * once a day.*  (No, I don't have a real scheduler.) 

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[David Spiegel]

Hi Charles,
All of the previous responses did not address your situation.

Here is a solution that only old-timers like myself would think of:
S 
RDR,DSN=mypds(mymember),UNIT=,VOL=,DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=80,BLKSIZE=27920),DISP=SHR


RDR is available in SYs1.PROCLIB and has been since dinosaurs roamed the 
earth.


Regards,
David

On 2020-11-18 18:00, Charles Mills wrote:

Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
analogous to TSO SUBMIT?

I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T A,I=86400,'command'
but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious thing
for JES2 to be able to do.

Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just happens to
end after a minute or so?

I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) such
that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? Or ...
?

Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.

Charles

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Charles Mills]

Thanks. This will work. Kind of convoluted -- a $T A command to issue a $VS 
command to issue an S command to start an STC that submits a job, but hey, it's 
mainframe. If it was easy we wouldn't get the big bucks.

Idle musing: why doesn't JES2 have a command to submit a job, either from a 
named DSN or from a defined PROCLIB? Seems like an incredibly obvious feature. 
I spent 30 minutes in the commands manual going "I know it has to be in here 
somewhere."

Charles


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We did something like that before we had CA-7 (actually Runtrack). We used
the $TA command to start a task which then submitted the actual JCL. The
started task JCL looked something like:

//OPER  PROC JOBLIB=PROD.JOBS.JCLLIB,MEMBER=NOTHING
//OPER EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSIN DD  DUMMY
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=Z PURGE CLASS
//SYSUT2 DD SYSOUT=(*,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//* END OF PROC

The $TA  would include the $VS command like: $VS,'S OPER,MEMBER=SOMEJOB'

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Mark Jacobs]

JES2 at the z/OS 2.4 level has a $SUBMIT command, with the infrastructure to 
dynamically add datasets and such to use for job submission. The commands 
manual has information about it.

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On Wednesday, November 18th, 2020 at 6:00 PM, Charles Mills  
wrote:

> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
>
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
> I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
>
> real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T A,I=86400,'command'
>
> but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious thing
>
> for JES2 to be able to do.
>
> Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just happens to
>
> end after a minute or so?
>
> I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) such
>
> that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
>
> left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? Or ...
>
> ?
>
> Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.
>
> Charles
>
> 
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Steve Smith]

The classic way is to use a reader proc, traditionally named RDR, which may
well still be included in z/OS.  But usually a variation that reads members
from a PDS is more useful.

Check out  // SCHEDULE TIME= in JCL.  I use it all the time.

sas

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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Joseph Reichman]

What about submit command you can use 
IKJTSOEV to set up a tso environment in a batch job and then use the tso 
service routine 

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> On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:37 PM, John McKown  wrote:
> 
> We did something like that before we had CA-7 (actually Runtrack). We used
> the $TA command to start a task which then submitted the actual JCL. The
> started task JCL looked something like:
> 
> //OPER  PROC JOBLIB=PROD.JOBS.JCLLIB,MEMBER=NOTHING
> //OPER EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
> //SYSIN DD  DUMMY
> //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=Z PURGE CLASS
> //SYSUT2 DD SYSOUT=(*,INTRDR)
> //SYSUT1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
> //* END OF PROC
> 
> The $TA  would include the $VS command like: $VS,'S OPER,MEMBER=SOMEJOB'
> 
> If necessary, we could change the default JOBLIB to something else. I can't
> remember what RACF id the job ran under. This was long ago, I think before
> the STARTED class in RACF.
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 5:01 PM Charles Mills  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
>> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>> 
>> I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
>> real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T A,I=86400,'command'
>> but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious thing
>> for JES2 to be able to do.
>> 
>> Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just happens to
>> end after a minute or so?
>> 
>> I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) such
>> that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
>> left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? Or
>> ...
>> ?
>> 
>> Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[David Mingee]

Also, You can enter SUB next to the member name while in ISPF.  Just enter SUB 
vs. B or E or V

Subject: Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

I  do something like that for my personal stuff. And it is good in that you can 
have a separate crontab  for submitting different jobs with different RACF IDs. 
The only "problem" is, unless  I am out of date, most z/OS people are still 
fairly ignorant  of z/OS UNIX and are reluctant to use  it. A few years ago I 
had another sysprog complain  about it because, in his words, "It isn't 
Windows!"

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 5:36 PM Paul Gilmartin < 
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:00:59 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>
> >Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, 
> >roughly analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
> >
>
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zo
> s.v2r3.bpxa400/jclsub.htm
>
> plus crontab
>
> >I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) 
> >such that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command 
> >but also left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the 
> >right track? Or
> ...
> >?
> SDSF "SJ"?
>
> -- gil
>
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[John McKown]

I  do something like that for my personal stuff. And it is good in that you
can have a separate crontab  for submitting different jobs with different
RACF IDs. The only "problem" is, unless  I am out of date, most z/OS people
are still fairly ignorant  of z/OS UNIX and are reluctant to use  it. A few
years ago I had another sysprog complain  about it because, in his words,
"It isn't Windows!"

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 5:36 PM Paul Gilmartin <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:00:59 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>
> >Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
> >analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
> >
>
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.bpxa400/jclsub.htm
>
> plus crontab
>
> >I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) such
> >that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
> >left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? Or
> ...
> >?
> SDSF "SJ"?
>
> -- gil
>
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[John McKown]

We did something like that before we had CA-7 (actually Runtrack). We used
the $TA command to start a task which then submitted the actual JCL. The
started task JCL looked something like:

//OPER  PROC JOBLIB=PROD.JOBS.JCLLIB,MEMBER=NOTHING
//OPER EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSIN DD  DUMMY
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=Z PURGE CLASS
//SYSUT2 DD SYSOUT=(*,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=()
//* END OF PROC

The $TA  would include the $VS command like: $VS,'S OPER,MEMBER=SOMEJOB'

If necessary, we could change the default JOBLIB to something else. I can't
remember what RACF id the job ran under. This was long ago, I think before
the STARTED class in RACF.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 5:01 PM Charles Mills  wrote:

> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
> I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
> real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T A,I=86400,'command'
> but I don't see what the command would be. It seems like an obvious thing
> for JES2 to be able to do.
>
> Do I use $VS,'S proc' and run it like a started task that just happens to
> end after a minute or so?
>
> I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) such
> that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
> left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? Or
> ...
> ?
>
> Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question. I'm a newbie operator.
>
> Charles
>
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Re: Is there a JES2 command to submit a job?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:00:59 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
>analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.bpxa400/jclsub.htm

plus crontab

>I vaguely recall there is a way to submit a job (via TSO or whatever) such
>that it gets held and then could be released with a JES2 command but also
>left in the input queue for another release? Am I on the right track? Or ...
>?
SDSF "SJ"?

-- gil

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