Re: Question on BUILDMCS

The BUILDMCS will run w/o the DISTLIBs, but you will need to preserve the DISTLIBs to get source for the RELFILEs. The target stuff would be built by the SMP apply process. On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:03:17 + Allan Staller <0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: :>Classification:

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Just run the buildmcs. It will use those files to copy from to create the relfiles from, when received into the new environment. Make sure all maintenance has been applied. Many folks run the buildmcs for the fmid in the DLIB environment. Dave Jousma Vice President | Director, Technology

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Yes, the Serena stuff is part of the divestiture to Rocket. Request: more extensive Subject: lines than "Question". Makes the list much more useful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email

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Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question Same here on Mac. One drive is a pain... *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere

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I use Office 2013 when I have a choice. I use Office 2016 on some company equipment, little difference. Sometimes I'm forced to use Office 365 on another company equipment and I hate it. Again - it is not a revolution. I it is not big enhancement. I it big mess. Big change in user interface to

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My work laptop is locked down so I have no choice. On my personal machines I use (Libre|Open)Office. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on

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Same here on Mac. One drive is a pain... *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, zLinux and IBM I **| * *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 **|* *Skype**:

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Yes. If you go this route, and you have your own file server(s) and backup systems, the first thing you do is uninstall ONEDRIVE. You may find that after doing this, you may have issues with Word and XL. (we did with W10) If you do not, it will back up various folders to the M/S cloud. And

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On 2024-02-20 13:36 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: Has anyone in the group Subscribed to Office 365 since there is No more MS Office. I dumped MS Office for LibreOffice years ago, and it does everything I need, including good compatibility with MS Office documents. Haven't missed MS Office and

Re: Question

In addition to the IBM supplied python, we also have Rocket's SMP packaged Open AppDev for Z. ant bash cert-bundle cffi cryptography curl diffutils exceptiongroup gettext git

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That is interesting indeed. Thanks. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lionel B. Dyck <057b0ee5a853-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 11:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question I got this

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Using python 3.11 'in production' (the IBM version) STC's running flask applications in a 'virtual environment' Looking to exploit the 'overlay fileSystem' soon to not have to have the 'bin/activate' in the startup process :) will share some 'findings' at my SHARE Orlando session coming March :)

Re: Question

On 2/6/2024 10:47 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: : >python Python 3.11.4 (heads/pyz_dev-3.11.ziip:39640ccf4b, Jul 15 2023, 05:46:13) [Clang 14.0.0 ] on zos Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> Just to be clear, we are running FMID HAMB3B0 "IBM Open Enterprise SDK

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February 7, 2024 11:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question Someone will correct me if/where I'm wrong. Open Enterprise SDK for Python - Just python. Comes with pip and virtualenv or venv, which are included in Python distribution these days. pip = package manager. virtualenv /

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our reputation. Character is what you > > are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion listibm-m...@listserv.ua.edu On Behalf Of > > Frank Swarbrick > > Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024

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ginal Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 11:30 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question So here's a curious question. Are IBM Open Enterprise SDK for Python and the Python from Rocket Soft

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IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question Yes, from the IBM pax installation. And a bit of pipifax. :-) Python 3.12.0 (heads/pyz_dev-3.12:ef647e3673, Oct 31 2023, 19:02:59) [Clang 14.0.0 (build 1465bdb)] on zos On 06/02/2024 19:47, Ed Jaffe wrote: > Yes. > > : >python > Pyth

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@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question Yes, from the IBM pax installation. And a bit of pipifax. :-) Python 3.12.0 (heads/pyz_dev-3.12:ef647e3673, Oct 31 2023, 19:02:59) [Clang 14.0.0 (build 1465bdb)] on zos On 06/02/2024 19:47, Ed Jaffe wrote: > Yes. > > : >python > Python 3.11.4

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Yes,  from the IBM pax installation. And a bit of pipifax. :-) Python 3.12.0 (heads/pyz_dev-3.12:ef647e3673, Oct 31 2023, 19:02:59) [Clang 14.0.0 (build 1465bdb)] on zos On 06/02/2024 19:47, Ed Jaffe wrote: Yes. : >python Python 3.11.4 (heads/pyz_dev-3.11.ziip:39640ccf4b, Jul 15 2023,

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Yes. $ python -VV Python 3.11.0 (heads/pyz_dev-3.11:2b6da3c0f0, Dec 2 2022, 05:55:59) [Clang 14.0.0 ] This is on z/OS V2.5. Why do you ask? Peter From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2024 1:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:

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Yes. : >python Python 3.11.4 (heads/pyz_dev-3.11.ziip:39640ccf4b, Jul 15 2023, 05:46:13) [Clang 14.0.0 ] on zos Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> On 2/6/2024 10:15 AM, Steve Beaver wrote: Does anyone have Python installed in your shop? Steve

Re: Question on SSRV entries in system trace table

Thank you Jim (and Binyamin). I learned something here by examining the prior PC trace entry. Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 12:32 AM Jim Mulder wrote: > We don't want to waste the time and space. The caller information is in > the preceding

Re: Question on SSRV entries in system trace table

I would have to go back to a dump, but I don't recall having any issues in this area. Perhaps it is in a different trace entry? On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:38:40 -0500 Mike Shaw wrote: :>The doc on SSRV trace table entries in the "z/OS MVS Diagnosis: Tools and :>Service Aids" pub says this:

Re: Question on SSRV entries in system trace table

We don't want to waste the time and space. The caller information is in the preceding PC trace entry. Jim Mulder -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Shaw Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 5:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Question on

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Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

If I were you I wouldn't advertise to the world that I have an integrity exposure. -- Tom Marchant On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 17:25:03 -0600, Steve Beaver wrote: >I have the code to turn on the >JSCBAUTH however it is a SVC -- For

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

>Binyamin wrote :> :>What is a "non-authorized" address space? :> :>Everyone I know would consider that to be an address space for which the jobstep program is not both linkedited AC=1 and gotten from an APF-authorized concatenation, and is not a system key address space (as could be defined

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 11:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question about IEAMSCHD On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 14:50:45 + Peter Relson wrote: :>Binyamin wrote :>

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On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 14:50:45 + Peter Relson wrote: :>Binyamin wrote :> :>What is a "non-authorized" address space? :> :>Everyone I know would consider that to be an address space for which the jobstep program is not both linkedited AC=1 and gotten from an APF-authorized concatenation, and

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

Paul D wrote "To run an SRB routine in a different address space from the scheduling code, the SRB routine must be either in a different program that is accessible from the target address space, or in the common storage together with the scheduling code." This is nothing more than a statement

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 03:36:44PM +, esst...@juno.com wrote: > Can someone please clarify this statement regarding IEAMSCHD - > . > "To run an SRB routine in a different address space from the > scheduling code, the SRB routine must be either in a different > program that is accessible from

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

An SRB is for running privileged code, regardless of whether the jobstep is authorized. . The code has to be at an address that the processor can access within the target address space. That can be in the common area or in the private area. The placement is not an integrity issue. The same

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

__ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > Jon Perryman > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 2:55 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Question about IEAMSCHD > >> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:36:44 GMT, esst...@juno.com wro

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jon Perryman Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 2:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question about IEAMSCHD On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:36:44 GMT, esst

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

: Binyamin Dissen :>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU :>Subject: Re: Question about IEAMSCHD :>Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 19:28:10 +0200 :> :>On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:36:44 GMT "esst...@juno.com" wrote: :> :>::>Can someone please clarify this statement regarding IEAMSCH

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 19:52:42 GMT, esst...@juno.com wrote: >Binyamin wrote >>What is a "non-authorized" address space? >Key 8 Problem state job/started task He's telling you there is no such thing as a "non-authorized" job/STC. A job/stc does not have a key or state. Running authorized is

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:36:44 GMT, esst...@juno.com wrote: >I would like to schedule an SRB using IEAMSCHD to a non-authorized >Address Space - I would prefer not to place the target SRB routine in common >storage. It's important to tell us about the problem you need to solve because you only

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

must have missed something. . paul .-- Original Message -- From: Binyamin Dissen To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question about IEAMSCHD Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 19:28:10 +0200 On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:36:44 GMT "esst...@juno.com" wrote: ::>Can someone please

Re: Question about IEAMSCHD

On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:36:44 GMT "esst...@juno.com" wrote: ::>Can someone please clarify this statement regarding IEAMSCHD - : :>"To run an SRB routine in a different address space from the :>scheduling code, the SRB routine must be either in a different :>program that is accessible from the

Re: Question About IEFSSI REQUEST=QUERY

For IEFSSI REQUEST=QUERY, Rob Scott's approach should work. IEFSSI REQUEST=QUERY can return data for both return code 0 and return code 4 (see reason code IEFSSI_QUERY_INCOMPLETE) so simply checking for return code 0 is insufficient. The service doesn't return a workarea address for any other

Re: Question About IEFSSI REQUEST=QUERY

Paul My approach would be along the lines of : (o) Zero the field that is to contain the output workarea address (to ensure no pollution) (o) Prime the subpool input value (o) Call IEFSSI (o) Do your logic (o) Test field that contains output workarea address - if non-zero release with subpool

Re: Question About IEFSSI REQUEST=QUERY

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:22:16 GMT, esst...@juno.com wrote: >Hello,.Looking at the IEFSSI REQUEST=QUERY - It is recommended to Free the >WorkArea when he request completes -. >Is it safe (as in a good practice) to always release the workarea >when the WORKAREA address returned is non-zero. ? If

Re: Question About IEFSSI REQUEST=QUERY

I did it with no problem and was running other SSI requests afterwards > On Oct 12, 2023, at 10:24 AM, esst...@juno.com wrote: > > Hello,.Looking at the IEFSSI REQUEST=QUERY - It is recommended to Free the > WorkArea when he request completes -. > Is it safe (as in a good practice) to always

Re: Question about RMF III Device Resource Delay

I presume you are using the devr report... See Pending, disconnect and other gobbledegook. for some info on what the IO wait times mean. It might be Disconnect – Time spent accessing the disks. This could be

Re: Question on the SLIP command

Hi Peter, This works: STR14,0(,R13) JAS R14,*+4+8 DCC'$SL$',Y(x,y) L R14,0(,R13) and I can do DA=(14R?,EQ,5BE2D35B) Where x is a module's identification number and y is the nth macro expansion for my SLIP trigger macro. What I wanted to

Re: Question on the SLIP command

As you have observed, there is no support for "PSW". I'm curious what SLIP trap you're setting that would let you even know to look at "+4". You'd have to know that the instruction itself was a branch and that it was one of "your" branches. If you really could tell that it was one of your

Re: Question on the SLIP command

Hi Eric, I have a macro that generates a code sequence like this: J*+4+6 DCC'$SL$,Y(x,y) x and y are "footprint" type fields. The x represents the module identifier, 1, 2, 3, etc and y represents the specific macro expansion, 1, 2, 3, etc. The idea being when

Re: Question on the SLIP command

Normally, you would use the RANGE= option to have the SLIP hit on certain PSWs. Are you trying to see if a particular instruction is present at the PSW? Eric Rossman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Hardee Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 1:40 PM

Re: Question about IEAARR Process

> Does the PC routine (IEAARR) simply branch to the Target Routine (R15) > making it > an extension of the IEAARR PC Service Routine? It's not necessarily "simply" and it depends on what you mean by "an extension of". But for the most part "yes". The IEAARR PC Service Routine runs in the

Re: Question about IEAARR Process

Haven't used it myself, but based on the macro expansion the GLUE would only need to do is to perhaps place R0-R1 in the MSTA and then set R1 from AR0 and BASR 14,15. The predefined ARR of IEAARR would receive control upon abend and user the MSTA area to set the parameter register and branch to

Re: Question about IEAARR Process

Based on my experience (I have no inside knowledge), IEARR is a very simple non-space-switching PC program that calls your specified EP as a subroutine, and same goes for the ARR address. It's very simple... no subtask is involved, nor any of the privilege modifications that PCs would normally be

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 4:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) So would you rather call someone the a-word or the c-word, in public and possibly in mixed company? I

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

So would you rather call someone the a-word or the c-word, in public and possibly in mixed company? I don't use either, myself (except when reading aloud), but I don't pause if someone uses the former around me. If the question doesn't seem sensible to you, maybe just tell yourself "there's no

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, at 13:59, Seymour J Metz wrote: > And bum is equivalent to the a-word. Yes of course, but there's still a difference in severity been (say) calling someone an a*s/ar*e and the other ... though there is (in Scotland, and for all I know elsewhere too) a vernacular way (maybe

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, at 13:11, Seymour J Metz wrote: > I also don't understand why fanny pack is offensive ... Fanny is equivalent to the c-word ... -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, at 13:11, Seymour J Metz wrote: > I also don't understand why fanny pack is offensive ... Fanny is equivalent to the c-word ... -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

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dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 8:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) ' Well, UK English can also get us Americans in trouble, e.g., "fanny".' Yep, made that mistake once. My wife and I were on a bus t

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

' Well, UK English can also get us Americans in trouble, e.g., "fanny".' Yep, made that mistake once. My wife and I were on a bus tour in Ireland and I asked my wife to get something out of her fanny pack and a trio of English ladies quickly corrected me on that usage… Fiserv Michael

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

(Coming in a bit late on this thread) As others have said, 'kicks' and Hursley are closely related (or rather, _were_. It is my understanding that Hursley Grange is now some sort of IBM museum.) The local no. 66 bus goes between Romsey and Winchester via Hursley, so - at least at some point in the

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2023, at 02:23, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Also Kipling. Kindling ??(sorry) > > The root is from "bundle" of sticks and small pieces of wood, and by > expansion to bundles of other things. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

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Also Kipling. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tony Harminc Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 10:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 21:28, Bob Bridges wrote

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 21:28, Bob Bridges wrote: > > I'm pretty sure it's not only British authors, but American too if one goes > back far enough, whom I caught using "faggot" to mean a piece of wood for a > fire. From there to a cigarette is an easy step. The root is from "bundle" of sticks

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

I'm pretty sure it's not only British authors, but American too if one goes back far enough, whom I caught using "faggot" to mean a piece of wood for a fire. From there to a cigarette is an easy step. How the word came to describe an underclassman at a British boarding school, required to run

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 13:22, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > Are "route" and "rut" related? "Pronunciation: Brit. pronunciation/rʌt/, U.S. pronunciation/rət/ Forms: α. 1500s rutte, 1500s–1600s rutt, 1500s– rut, 1600s rupt. β. 1500s rotte, 1500s (1900s– English regional (west midlands and southern))

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2023, at 18:04, Colin Paice wrote: > I got into trouble with the Americans ( from the days when people were > allowed to smoke in the office) in a presentation with a chart saying " 10 > minute fag break" That might have been misinterpreted here in the UK too, if those present were

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v.ua.edu] > Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 6:29 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) > > In Australia "rooter" means something rather different, so I suggest you > don't look it up. > I was always surprised that

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

2:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 at 21:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > > Very interesting discussion. > > I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the > word "router" is

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day, March 18, 2023 5:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) Thank you very much, the 2nd word is "roden" in today's German language, roden is the infinitive form. "Ich rode, Du rodest, er rodet, ..." etc. a "nor

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

e9b4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 6:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) In Australia "rooter" means something rather different, so I suggest you don't look it up. I was always surprised that most o

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

The word you're looking for is "aspirated": you're noticing the difference between aspirated and unaspirated /k/. In English, the two sounds are recognized as different realizations of the same phoneme (allophonic). On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:34 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > If you'll allow me just a

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

I grew up in Minnesota, and visited grandparents a few times every summer in Wisconsin, which we pronounced "wih-SKAHN-sun". Then in my high-school years we moved to Pennsylvania, where I noticed they pronounced it "wiss-KAHN-sun", the 's' moved firmly from the second to the first syllable. I

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 4:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends

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Hi Andrew, This reminds me of the time I had temporarily been part of a team to do an ACF2->RACF conversion at a large Canadian bank. (That is a whole story in itself and almost cost me my IBM job.) Anyway ... There was this customer person, who in every meeting kept pronouncing it Ra-KEFF.

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

On 18/03/2023 11:54 pm, Bob Bridges wrote: Now that you mention this, I guess I'm being inconsistent when I say "see eye see ess" and "eye em ess", but privately chuckle when ignorami say "are ay see eff" instead of "rack-eff". RACF always amused me, because "rack off" is a (Australian?) way

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

Most of those are familiar to me, but I've always said "eye dee cams" and "zee oh ess". "SQL" I hear both ways, and pronounce it according to my mood at the time. Never heard of "IFOX00". --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Public opinion: What everyone thinks

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Ah! I always thought "loaf" in that context was a reference to the shape of the head, like "nut". Although come to think of it, maybe "nut" (for "nutbread") is rhyming slang too. I wonder how many other rhyming-slang items have made their way into American English without our being aware of

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

We (in The Netherlands) say “kicks” like the Brits. Sent from Outlook for iOS From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Friday, March 17, 2023 8:15:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Question for our

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It might be my memory, then. As it happens, using CICS maps laid some of the groundwork for programming 3270 datastreams the hard way (addresses in base 64, Start Field Extended and so on). Roops On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 15:10 Martin Trübner, < 047eec287bd9-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

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Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

Was some CICS work done in Denver? Yes, before it came to Hursley. Also "Denver foot hill" was used However, I insist in Dieter Fritz Hans (since the krauts made it in the beginning) ;-) Martin -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

South of England: CICS 'kicks' IMS 'eye em ess' VSAM 'vee sam' IDCAMS 'id cams' (id rhymes with lid) zOS 'zed oss' ('zee arse' makes me snigger internally :-) ) JES3 'jez three' SQL 'sequel' IFOX00 'eye fox zero zero' Incidentally, the DHF prefix in CICS was explained to me as 'Denver Forest

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Yes, although it's "A for 'orses" (hay for horses) and so it goes part-way to explaining itself. Proper rhyming slang doesn't explain itself and you just need to know that "loaf" -> "loaf of bread" -> head. Thus "Use your loaf!" was one I heard throughout my teens :-) Roops On Sat, 18 Mar 2023,

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, at 12:47, Bob Bridges wrote: > I suppose this is based on rhyming slang? I wouldn't begin to know how > to decipher it. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockney_Alphabet where there's explanations. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

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Now that you mention this, I guess I'm being inconsistent when I say "see eye see ess" and "eye em ess", but privately chuckle when ignorami say "are ay see eff" instead of "rack-eff". I've heard "zoss", but I can't imagine ever adopting it. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

I suppose this is based on rhyming slang? I wouldn't begin to know how to decipher it. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The first virtue is to restrain the tongue; he approaches nearest to the gods who knows how to be silent, even though he be in the right. -Cato

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

I'm a Texan ( it's a whole nother country 鸞). I have started saying zed like the Brits. Zee is too easy to confuse with cee, tee, and pee. On Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 16:00 Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > I was giving a talk to some of our guys in Phoenix about REXX. About an > hour into my talk, one of

Re: Question for our international friends (mostly)

owt , but they all > agree they get their kicks (CICS?) on root 66. > Lennie > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of > Jeremy Nicoll > Sent: 18 March 2023 01:49 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Question for our

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On Behalf Of Jeremy Nicoll Sent: 18 March 2023 01:49 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question for our international friends (mostly) On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, at 01:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > Very interesting discussion. > > I recently tried to understand what the correct pronouncia

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Thank you very much, the 2nd word is "roden" in today's German language, roden is the infinitive form. "Ich rode, Du rodest, er rodet, ..." etc. a "normal" German verb. Roden means: cut a (large amount) of trees and leave an area without trees (Google translate says: clearing, the German word

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Back in the days of analogue mobile phones, I used phonetics a lot! Once or twice, I used the Cockney phonetics ;-) A for 'orses B for mutton C for miles ... X for breakfast Y for girlfriend Z for a joke (i.e. 'said for a joke') On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 00:23 Bob Bridges, wrote: > Under marginal

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> > > I have been sayyng kicks for as long as I have been involved in IBM mainframe, starting in the US in 1982 and on and off until now. The US is not my home country so I count myself as international. Note that since CICS came from Hursley and the Brits say kicks, then that is the right

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On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 at 21:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > > Very interesting discussion. > > I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the > word "router" is, because here in Germany there are different opinions. And I > learned in > the end, that BOTH ways are correct, like

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In the US, I've heard only ROW-ter (or ROUT-er if you prefer) for both kinds. But you can hear both pronunciations, "ROOT" and "ROUT", for "route" as in a county road. I think "root" was more usual when I grew up in Minnesota, but "rowt" is more what I hear here in NC. ...Which is ironic, sort

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, at 01:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > Very interesting discussion. > > I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the > word "router" is, > because here in Germany there are different opinions. And I learned in > the end, that BOTH > ways are correct, like

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Very interesting discussion. I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the word "router" is, because here in Germany there are different opinions. And I learned in the end, that BOTH ways are correct, like "rooter" and (don't know how to spell the other, maybe)

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I once had to call Mercedes-Benz Customer Service to let them know I had purchased a new (to me) used car. I gave them the VIN using the iCAO phonetics. The customer service rep commented on how it was refreshing to get someone who knew how to give letters phonetically... On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at

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Under marginal conditions (which includes cell-phone calls) I use alpha / bravo / charlie / ... / x-ray / yankee / zulu. But "zed" is probably unmistakable. I'm always surprised how many help-desk folks are perfectly comfortable with that alphabet. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell

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I'm pretty sure Wayne was kidding. But heck, who can resist a little pedantry now and then? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Democracy is three wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. -C B Low */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

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Spelling over adverse voice transmission is best dealt with by using the NATO phonetic alphabet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 5:18 PM Jay Maynard wrote: > > I've always pronounced my ham callsign kay five zed see ...but I use "zee" > elsewhere.

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