Re: NetView session manager - Session Clone
Yes - Under USER ADMIN - copy profile function Marshall -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 2:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXT] NetView session manager - Session Clone Hi I have never used NetView session manager and my experience is just with TPX and Supersession. Under NetView do we have an option to clone an existing user sessions to a new NetView user ? Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
NetView session manager - Session Clone
Hi I have never used NetView session manager and my experience is just with TPX and Supersession. Under NetView do we have an option to clone an existing user sessions to a new NetView user ? Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
There's also D4C32XX. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Cieri, Anthony Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Session Manager I think that the entry in the default IBM logmode table (ISTINCLM) is D4B32XX3 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward Finnell Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Session Manager Screen size from host is determined by LOGMODE. If you can get to SDSF do a WHO command and it will show what you're being dealt. What you need is a LOGMODE with Query Bit on in PSERVIC. If it's allowed can do ===>LOGON applid(SES_MGR_APPLID) LOGMOD(D4B32xx) (I think that's a good one). In a message dated 3/13/2018 3:19:27 AM Central Standard Time, bruce_hew...@hotmail.com writes: Among the Session Managers I can use here, if I access using my favourite screen size 62x140 (which TSO/ISPF has no issue with), the Session Manager drops to Model-2 24x80. Possibly a constraint by product administrators. Even if I access using 62x160, a valid size for HOD emulator, it still drops to 24x80. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
I think that the entry in the default IBM logmode table (ISTINCLM) is D4B32XX3 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward Finnell Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Session Manager Screen size from host is determined by LOGMODE. If you can get to SDSF do a WHO command and it will show what you're being dealt. What you need is a LOGMODE with Query Bit on in PSERVIC. If it's allowed can do ===>LOGON applid(SES_MGR_APPLID) LOGMOD(D4B32xx) (I think that's a good one). In a message dated 3/13/2018 3:19:27 AM Central Standard Time, bruce_hew...@hotmail.com writes: Among the Session Managers I can use here, if I access using my favourite screen size 62x140 (which TSO/ISPF has no issue with), the Session Manager drops to Model-2 24x80. Possibly a constraint by product administrators. Even if I access using 62x160, a valid size for HOD emulator, it still drops to 24x80. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Another thing that NVAS is to pass along the IP address. Back in the day it was the only one that did so; I'd be very surprised if that was still the case. If any vendors are reading this, does your product pass along the IP address?. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 7:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Session Manager Bruce Hewson wrote: >Among the Session Managers I can use here, if I access using my favourite >screen size 62x140 (which TSO/ISPF has no issue with), the Session Manager >drops to Model-2 24x80. Possibly a constraint by product administrators. Even >if I access using 62x160, a valid size for HOD emulator, it still drops to >24x80. Netview Access Services can do that too. Just setup your emulater to use the max size you want to use, say 3278 or 3279 and device model 3 (32x80) for example. Then what ever application you use, that largest screen it can handle is used. TSO can handle 32x80, but Netview Access only 24x80. (I also like to use the 'extended attributes' for the 3278/3290 screens. Then my screens are looking 'nicer'. ;-) Just my 2 cents... Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Screen size from host is determined by LOGMODE. If you can get to SDSF do a WHO command and it will show what you're being dealt. What you need is a LOGMODE with Query Bit on in PSERVIC. If it's allowed can do ===>LOGON applid(SES_MGR_APPLID) LOGMOD(D4B32xx) (I think that's a good one). In a message dated 3/13/2018 3:19:27 AM Central Standard Time, bruce_hew...@hotmail.com writes: Among the Session Managers I can use here, if I access using my favourite screen size 62x140 (which TSO/ISPF has no issue with), the Session Manager drops to Model-2 24x80. Possibly a constraint by product administrators. Even if I access using 62x160, a valid size for HOD emulator, it still drops to 24x80. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Bruce Hewson wrote: >Among the Session Managers I can use here, if I access using my favourite >screen size 62x140 (which TSO/ISPF has no issue with), the Session Manager >drops to Model-2 24x80. Possibly a constraint by product administrators. Even >if I access using 62x160, a valid size for HOD emulator, it still drops to >24x80. Netview Access Services can do that too. Just setup your emulater to use the max size you want to use, say 3278 or 3279 and device model 3 (32x80) for example. Then what ever application you use, that largest screen it can handle is used. TSO can handle 32x80, but Netview Access only 24x80. (I also like to use the 'extended attributes' for the 3278/3290 screens. Then my screens are looking 'nicer'. ;-) Just my 2 cents... Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
If your session manager can only do 24x80, then I hope it's free, because it's almost worthless. Lacking much information, my guess is that it's an admin problem. I was a systems programmer long ago, and supported VTAM, TPX and NetView. >20 years ago they had no issue with any screen size (inc. e.g. 48 x 120, one I liked). sas On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:18 AM, Bruce Hewson wrote: > Hello Shmuel, > > Among the Session Managers I can use here, if I access using my favourite > screen size 62x140 (which TSO/ISPF has no issue with), the Session Manager > drops to Model-2 24x80. Possibly a constraint by product administrators. > Even if I access using 62x160, a valid size for HOD emulator, it still > drops to 24x80. > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Hello Shmuel, Among the Session Managers I can use here, if I access using my favourite screen size 62x140 (which TSO/ISPF has no issue with), the Session Manager drops to Model-2 24x80. Possibly a constraint by product administrators. Even if I access using 62x160, a valid size for HOD emulator, it still drops to 24x80. On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 18:19:24 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Not all session managers restrict you to 24x80; in fact, I have never had the >misfortune to use one that did. Are you sure that it was a product limitation >and not a restriction decreed by your management? > > >-- >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > Regards Bruce Hewson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
The second session was restricted only by what the application supported. In the case of TSO, models 2 through 5, 3290 and custom geometries were all supported; it's just a case of using the right logmode. In, e.g., TPX, you could use configure any screen geometry that TSO supported. You get the geometry from the Bind image, Read Partition - Query, or a combination. That's how you were able to use, e.g., a 3180, with a primary of 43 and a secondary of 132. Obviously I lucked out in the session managers I was exposed to. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Boyes Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Session Manager On 3/12/18, 2:19 PM, "IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Seymour J Metz" wrote: > Not all session managers restrict you to 24x80; in fact, I have never had the > misfortune to use one that did. Are you sure that it was a product limitation > and not a restriction decreed by your management? In some ways it was a feature of the way VTAM worked, or at least a dramatic change in assumptions that came with programmable devices over classic dumb terminals; as I understand it, since you had two LU sessions in play (terminal-> session manager, session manager-> application), the second session was restricted to the lowest common denominator (24x80) if you wanted to support arbitrary incoming screen sizes because there was no way to pass actual terminal geometry to the second session without getting the information some other way. The telnet server skipped that limitation entirely and was smart enough to query the terminal and be able to pass the actual terminal geometry to the application. Most of the session managers never really figured that one out, with a few notable exceptions. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
On 3/12/18, 2:19 PM, "IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Seymour J Metz" wrote: > Not all session managers restrict you to 24x80; in fact, I have never had the > misfortune to use one that did. Are you sure that it was a product limitation > and not a restriction decreed by your management? In some ways it was a feature of the way VTAM worked, or at least a dramatic change in assumptions that came with programmable devices over classic dumb terminals; as I understand it, since you had two LU sessions in play (terminal-> session manager, session manager-> application), the second session was restricted to the lowest common denominator (24x80) if you wanted to support arbitrary incoming screen sizes because there was no way to pass actual terminal geometry to the second session without getting the information some other way. The telnet server skipped that limitation entirely and was smart enough to query the terminal and be able to pass the actual terminal geometry to the application. Most of the session managers never really figured that one out, with a few notable exceptions. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Right. And VPNs are so flaky you really need a session manager if you come in through one. I certainly do, anyway. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/or https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Tom Brennan To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 12/03/2018 18:06 Subject:Re: Session Manager Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List The main thing I liked about a session manager (TPX, when I worked with Skip) was that if I had some kind of PC or network problem, or even if I closed the emulator and went home to continue work, all my VTAM sessions remained connected. Bruce Hewson wrote: > > Do you really need a Terminal Session Manager? > > Regards > Bruce > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Not all session managers restrict you to 24x80; in fact, I have never had the misfortune to use one that did. Are you sure that it was a product limitation and not a restriction decreed by your management? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bruce Hewson Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Session Manager Regarding Session Supervisor products in the modern day and age. Working, as I am, in a large enterprise (100+Z/OS images), I do not use any of the available Session Managers available. >From historical perspective, I did enjoy using the NETMASTER MAI facility. My main complaint with the Session Manager's in our environment if is the local requirement that all sessions run in 3270-2 (24x80) mode. (I have never enjoyed model 2 screens, and even at my first SP job back in 1980 their mandated default screen size was model 4). And that the manager products do not handle larger screen formats that can be used these days. (I do like working with larger screen sizes, 62X140 being one of my favourites.) Plus the difficulty of remembering the special hotkey assignments for each product. My preference, using Tom Brennan's TN3270 Vista, is to have a long list of "Host IP Name or Alias" entries to select from. On occasions I have had 29 TN3270 Vista terminal sessions open concurrently. (Thanks to Tom for quick update to make that possible). Do you really need a Terminal Session Manager? Regards Bruce -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
The main thing I liked about a session manager (TPX, when I worked with Skip) was that if I had some kind of PC or network problem, or even if I closed the emulator and went home to continue work, all my VTAM sessions remained connected. Bruce Hewson wrote: Do you really need a Terminal Session Manager? Regards Bruce -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Regarding Session Supervisor products in the modern day and age. Working, as I am, in a large enterprise (100+Z/OS images), I do not use any of the available Session Managers available. From historical perspective, I did enjoy using the NETMASTER MAI facility. My main complaint with the Session Manager's in our environment if is the local requirement that all sessions run in 3270-2 (24x80) mode. (I have never enjoyed model 2 screens, and even at my first SP job back in 1980 their mandated default screen size was model 4). And that the manager products do not handle larger screen formats that can be used these days. (I do like working with larger screen sizes, 62X140 being one of my favourites.) Plus the difficulty of remembering the special hotkey assignments for each product. My preference, using Tom Brennan's TN3270 Vista, is to have a long list of "Host IP Name or Alias" entries to select from. On occasions I have had 29 TN3270 Vista terminal sessions open concurrently. (Thanks to Tom for quick update to make that possible). Do you really need a Terminal Session Manager? Regards Bruce -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
https://youtu.be/jKOxlK32Kpc Check this for a session manager > Am 08.03.2018 um 19:28 schrieb Mark Regan : > > Another option would be to use a tn3270 emulator that keeps all the > sessions within one window, but have individual session tabs at the bottom > of said window. The one I'm familiar with that can do that is Passport, > from Rocket Software. > >> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:57 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: >> >> You should be able to find a session manager hat communicates with its >> peers via IP. Any other requirements?t >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> >> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf >> of Gadi Ben-Avi >> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 12:37 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu >> Subject: Re: Session Manager >> >> There are only IP connections to each of the partitions. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Seymour J Metz >> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:00 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Session Manager >> >> Do you mean that the only connection is through the LAN? If there is no >> connection for VTAM that's one thing, but if there isn't even IP access to >> other partitions then you can't have a session manager. Please clarify. >> >> TSO is able to detect the IP address for a TN3270 session in support of >> WSA. If you use that facility, check which session managers support it. >> >> BTW, your header includes >> >> Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII >> >> but you have non-ASCII data (presumably x) at the >> >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> >> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf >> of Gadi Ben-Avi >> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:27 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu >> Subject: Session Manager >> >> Hi, >> >> I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. >> >> I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. >> >> Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access >> sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. >> >> The systems run z/OS v2.2 >> >> Thanks >> >> Gadi >> >> >> ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? >> ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? >> ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? >> ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? >> ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email >> to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email >> to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא מוגנת תחת סודיות >> מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי >> מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת בשרתיה והיא לא >> תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות >> של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- > > Regards, > > Mark T. Regan > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Another option would be to use a tn3270 emulator that keeps all the sessions within one window, but have individual session tabs at the bottom of said window. The one I'm familiar with that can do that is Passport, from Rocket Software. On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:57 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > You should be able to find a session manager hat communicates with its > peers via IP. Any other requirements?t > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Gadi Ben-Avi > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 12:37 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Session Manager > > There are only IP connections to each of the partitions. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:00 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Session Manager > > Do you mean that the only connection is through the LAN? If there is no > connection for VTAM that's one thing, but if there isn't even IP access to > other partitions then you can't have a session manager. Please clarify. > > TSO is able to detect the IP address for a TN3270 session in support of > WSA. If you use that facility, check which session managers support it. > > BTW, your header includes > > Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > but you have non-ASCII data (presumably x) at the > > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Gadi Ben-Avi > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:27 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Session Manager > > Hi, > > I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. > > I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. > > Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access > sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. > > The systems run z/OS v2.2 > > Thanks > > Gadi > > > ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? > ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? > ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? > ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? > ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא מוגנת תחת סודיות > מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי > מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת בשרתיה והיא לא > תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות > של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Regards, Mark T. Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
You should be able to find a session manager hat communicates with its peers via IP. Any other requirements?t -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 12:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Session Manager There are only IP connections to each of the partitions. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Session Manager Do you mean that the only connection is through the LAN? If there is no connection for VTAM that's one thing, but if there isn't even IP access to other partitions then you can't have a session manager. Please clarify. TSO is able to detect the IP address for a TN3270 session in support of WSA. If you use that facility, check which session managers support it. BTW, your header includes Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII but you have non-ASCII data (presumably x) at the -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Session Manager Hi, I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. The systems run z/OS v2.2 Thanks Gadi ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא מוגנת תחת סודיות מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת בשרתיה והיא לא תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Hi. Sounds like you need Tubes from Macro 4. With Tubes you can define a TCP/IP session to the Telnet on the other LPAR. From the Telnet session connection you can either go directly to the application, such as TSO, or even to another Tubes system and have access to all the applications on that LPAR. You can connect multiple Tubes systems in this manner and access all of your applications across all of your LPARs. On the secondary subject of why you might need a Session Manager - our customers are super keen on security, compliance & auditing and accessibility. For security they want to control what applications a user can see and therefore access and they like this control to be in the hands of the RACF security team. For compliance & auditing they need to ensure that users can only access certain data and this access is fully audited. Compliance is a hot topic, especially with the new European GDPR rules coming along in May which will affect all European business and also any world-wide businesses that access any personal data belonging to a European. Along with this I also predict that logging on to the mainframe will require Multi-Factor Authentication to satisfy the GDPR auditors. So if you use just a terminal emulator and open up individual connections then you will have to enter your MFA credentials each time for every emulator connection. Every time those emulator connections drops (how many times do you reboot your PC for Windows updates for example, or shut-down each night, etc.) you will have to re-enter your MFA credentials for each and every connection. Much better to just log on once to a session manager and enter your MFA credentials just once and if you lose connection due to a reboot you just log on once again and all your applications are just where you left them. There are also hidden costs to having emulation software, apart from administrating licenses there is also installation and upgrades plus help desk support to consider. One of our customers is desperate to get rid of their emulation software as most of their thousands of end-users are not IT staff and they spend tens of thousands of dollars each year just in Help Desk support costs. A modern session manager will also have web access capabilities giving the end-user even more flexibility, as well as the potential to reduce their emulation usage and costs. When wondering around the office I use my tablet and when I want to access my mainframe sessions I just use the web browser on the tablet to log in and all my mainframe sessions are exactly as I left them when I got up from my desk. Modern Session Managers have moved on from just simple 3270 access. So just like the death of the mainframe, the death of Session Managers is a long way off. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Gadi, MacKinney Systems sells a very affordable VTAM session manager we call VTAM/Switch. We'd be glad to talk to you about it. But if you do not have connectivity between the LPARs, no z/OS-based session manager will be able to acquire a session in a different LPAR. If you mainly want a clear indication of your current LPAR/application, maybe customizing the emulator's title bar to include the host name or VTAM applid would help. The emulators I've worked with have the ability to allow you to customize the value displayed at the top of each emulator session's window. I probably run 5 or 6 different emulator sessions, with at least 2 connected to VTAM/Switch with a handful of sessions open under them. I also use "Send To/Desktop" on my emulator definitions to create shortcuts to them on the Desktop. This allows me to assign "Shortcut Keys" for each session. I then use the unique shortcut key to switch to the session I want. For example, I can press Ctrl-Alt-1 and get to a session which is connected to VTAM/Switch running on one system, Ctrl-Alt-2 immediately brings up a VTAM/Switch session on a different system. Ctrl-Alt-z gets me a z/OS Console. And so on. I use the shortcut keys to get immediate access to the session I want, and the title is customized to verify that I'm on the correct system. Hth, Wendell -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Not at this time -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Session Manager But u can use enterprise extender to bridge sna over ip. ITschak בתאריך 8 במרץ 2018 7:51, "Gadi Ben-Avi" כתב: > There is no SNA communication between the LPARS. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:48 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Session Manager > > You only need single tn3270 session if you use a kind of session manager. > Once you are in, it wil use cross domain to connect to other lpars. > > ITschak > > בתאריך 8 במרץ 2018 7:38, "Gadi Ben-Avi" כתב: > > > There are only IP connections to each of the partitions. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:00 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Session Manager > > > > Do you mean that the only connection is through the LAN? If there > > is no connection for VTAM that's one thing, but if there isn't even > > IP access to other partitions then you can't have a session manager. > > Please > clarify. > > > > TSO is able to detect the IP address for a TN3270 session in support > > of WSA. If you use that facility, check which session managers > > support > it. > > > > BTW, your header includes > > > > Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > > > but you have non-ASCII data (presumably x) at the > > > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > ____________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > > behalf of Gadi Ben-Avi > > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:27 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > > Subject: Session Manager > > > > Hi, > > > > I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. > > > > I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. > > > > Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access > > sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. > > > > The systems run z/OS v2.2 > > > > Thanks > > > > Gadi > > > > > > ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? > > ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? > ??? > > ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? > > ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? > > ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. > > > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא > > מוגנת תחת סודיות מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, > > מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית > > לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת בשרתיה והיא לא תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או > > אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או > > זדונית על הארגון. > > > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא מוגנת תחת > סודיות מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד > וחתום על ידי מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת > בשרתיה והיא לא תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע > כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון. > > ---
Re: Session Manager
But u can use enterprise extender to bridge sna over ip. ITschak בתאריך 8 במרץ 2018 7:51, "Gadi Ben-Avi" כתב: > There is no SNA communication between the LPARS. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:48 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Session Manager > > You only need single tn3270 session if you use a kind of session manager. > Once you are in, it wil use cross domain to connect to other lpars. > > ITschak > > בתאריך 8 במרץ 2018 7:38, "Gadi Ben-Avi" כתב: > > > There are only IP connections to each of the partitions. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > > On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:00 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Session Manager > > > > Do you mean that the only connection is through the LAN? If there is > > no connection for VTAM that's one thing, but if there isn't even IP > > access to other partitions then you can't have a session manager. Please > clarify. > > > > TSO is able to detect the IP address for a TN3270 session in support > > of WSA. If you use that facility, check which session managers support > it. > > > > BTW, your header includes > > > > Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > > > but you have non-ASCII data (presumably x) at the > > > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > ____________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > > behalf of Gadi Ben-Avi > > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:27 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > > Subject: Session Manager > > > > Hi, > > > > I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. > > > > I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. > > > > Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access > > sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. > > > > The systems run z/OS v2.2 > > > > Thanks > > > > Gadi > > > > > > ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? > > ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? > ??? > > ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? > > ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? > > ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא מוגנת תחת > > סודיות מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד > > וחתום על ידי מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת > > בשרתיה והיא לא תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע > > כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא מוגנת תחת סודיות > מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי > מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת בשרתיה והיא לא > תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות > של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
There is no SNA communication between the LPARS. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Session Manager You only need single tn3270 session if you use a kind of session manager. Once you are in, it wil use cross domain to connect to other lpars. ITschak בתאריך 8 במרץ 2018 7:38, "Gadi Ben-Avi" כתב: > There are only IP connections to each of the partitions. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:00 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Session Manager > > Do you mean that the only connection is through the LAN? If there is > no connection for VTAM that's one thing, but if there isn't even IP > access to other partitions then you can't have a session manager. Please > clarify. > > TSO is able to detect the IP address for a TN3270 session in support > of WSA. If you use that facility, check which session managers support it. > > BTW, your header includes > > Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > but you have non-ASCII data (presumably x) at the > > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > behalf of Gadi Ben-Avi > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:27 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Session Manager > > Hi, > > I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. > > I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. > > Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access > sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. > > The systems run z/OS v2.2 > > Thanks > > Gadi > > > ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? > ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? > ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? > ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? > ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא מוגנת תחת > סודיות מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד > וחתום על ידי מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת > בשרתיה והיא לא תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע > כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא מוגנת תחת סודיות מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת בשרתיה והיא לא תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
You only need single tn3270 session if you use a kind of session manager. Once you are in, it wil use cross domain to connect to other lpars. ITschak בתאריך 8 במרץ 2018 7:38, "Gadi Ben-Avi" כתב: > There are only IP connections to each of the partitions. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:00 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Session Manager > > Do you mean that the only connection is through the LAN? If there is no > connection for VTAM that's one thing, but if there isn't even IP access to > other partitions then you can't have a session manager. Please clarify. > > TSO is able to detect the IP address for a TN3270 session in support of > WSA. If you use that facility, check which session managers support it. > > BTW, your header includes > > Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > but you have non-ASCII data (presumably x) at the > > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Gadi Ben-Avi > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:27 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Session Manager > > Hi, > > I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. > > I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. > > Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access > sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. > > The systems run z/OS v2.2 > > Thanks > > Gadi > > > ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? > ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? > ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? > ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? > ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא מוגנת תחת סודיות > מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי > מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת בשרתיה והיא לא > תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות > של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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There are only IP connections to each of the partitions. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Session Manager Do you mean that the only connection is through the LAN? If there is no connection for VTAM that's one thing, but if there isn't even IP access to other partitions then you can't have a session manager. Please clarify. TSO is able to detect the IP address for a TN3270 session in support of WSA. If you use that facility, check which session managers support it. BTW, your header includes Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII but you have non-ASCII data (presumably x) at the -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Session Manager Hi, I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. The systems run z/OS v2.2 Thanks Gadi ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא מוגנת תחת סודיות מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת בשרתיה והיא לא תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Do you mean that the only connection is through the LAN? If there is no connection for VTAM that's one thing, but if there isn't even IP access to other partitions then you can't have a session manager. Please clarify. TSO is able to detect the IP address for a TN3270 session in support of WSA. If you use that facility, check which session managers support it. BTW, your header includes Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII but you have non-ASCII data (presumably x) at the -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Session Manager Hi, I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. The systems run z/OS v2.2 Thanks Gadi ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I've used (only) [CA-]TPX since the 80s. It's common in (somewhat) larger shops to use a session manager for several reasons. 1. With several LPARs, the number of required logons can balloon dramatically. TSO. SMCS. Omegamon. CICS. CICS alone accounts for dozens (!) of our logon requirements across multiple LPARs. If you truly have <10 logon requirements, then a session manager might not be necessary. 2. We manage a full function DR environment, which nearly doubles the number of required logons during testing. With TPX, we log our emulator on only once to the production network and once to the DR network. This amplifies the argument in (1). 3. TPX offers a component to facilitate changing passwords. Assuming that a user maintains the same password across all logons, by changing the password just once at TPX logon, then logging on successively to all supported sessions will update the password on each. One minute to update and synchronize all passwords. 4. Perhaps the greatest benefit of all, TPX itself holds all sessions regardless of the status of your emulator. Of course Windows is more reliable than it used to be, but it still falls far short of mainframe RAS. The more active sessions you have open, the more you'll appreciate not having to log back on to each of them and redo lost work. I've heard that are cheaper session managers that some folks seem to like a lot. I imagine that they all provide for (1), (2), and (4) above. BTW as others have noted, your LPARs *must* be connected via whatever supports SNA to the LPAR where the session manager runs. For us, that's the 'CMC'. You could run multiple instances of a session manager, but that dilutes the effectiveness and might raise license cost. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 5:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Session Manager The system I am talking about has 4 LPARs I need at least: 1 session for TSO/ISPF 2 Session for Omegamon - might need to have more. So that is already 8 sessions. For each of those, I have to be sure I'm working on the right system. This is my main cause for getting a session manager. Making sure I am working to the system I mean to be working on. Gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 2:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Session Manager Isn't the idea of a session manager kinda fading into the sunset? These were popular back in the days of coax attached 3270 terminals, but these days, having as many emulator windows open on your workstation is easier? Not criticizing, just curious on the need I guess. _ Dave Jousma Manager Mainframe Engineering, Assistant Vice President david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 3:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Session Manager **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** Hi, I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. The systems run z/OS v2.2 Thanks Gadi -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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The system I am talking about has 4 LPARs I need at least: 1 session for TSO/ISPF 2 Session for Omegamon - might need to have more. So that is already 8 sessions. For each of those, I have to be sure I'm working on the right system. This is my main cause for getting a session manager. Making sure I am working to the system I mean to be working on. Gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 2:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Session Manager Isn't the idea of a session manager kinda fading into the sunset? These were popular back in the days of coax attached 3270 terminals, but these days, having as many emulator windows open on your workstation is easier? Not criticizing, just curious on the need I guess. _ Dave Jousma Manager Mainframe Engineering, Assistant Vice President david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 3:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Session Manager **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** Hi, I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. The systems run z/OS v2.2 Thanks Gadi ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN הודעה זו נשלחה אליך מטעם חברה בקבוצת מלם תים וייתכן שהיא מוגנת תחת סודיות מסחרית. כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשה החתימה של החברה. החברה רשאית לנטר כל תכתובת העוברת בשרתיה והיא לא תישא באחריות לכל נזק, ו/או אובדן, שיבוש או פגיעה במידע כלשהו שנגרם מסיבות של תקיפה חיצונית ו/או זדונית על הארגון. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Jousma, David wrote: >Mark, I get all those, but are those enough to justify the cost? TN3270 >connections are *free*, yes there is an imposition if your sessions are >dropped, but how often is that occurring? Do you still run with a session >manager? I have not for over 20 years. We have a session manager and use it extensively, with these reasons ( selling points? ;-D ): - menu driven selection - no need to type in LOGON APPLID(???) (Yes, you can automate that commands in you emulators.) - Time out is 15 minutes. Seriously. This overrides whatever timeout settings you have in your application. - Better session recovery after it was dropped. It happens seldom these days, but it is always nice to resume it. - automated logons, usually up to a point where passwords are entered. >I guess I've gotten so used to just having separate windows open, and being >able to see the contents of multiple windows at the same time that I could not >imagine going back to those limitations. Some of my clients and colleagues (especially operators) have multiple separate windows. Say, for example, there are several PCs with 4 of such windows each for managing consoles. Once a WTO or WTOR appears, it is just there immediately and very very visible for all to see. But some of the clients/colleagues are using a web browser to access a mainframe application. Think HTTP server / WebSphere for example. There are vendors in IBM-MAIN which also sell those emulators but you use a web browser ( Mozilla FF, Chrome, IE, etc.) to access a fully clickable 3270 screen. And you can have several tabs in your browser to switch to a 3270 session. If I have space on my table for multiple large monitors, then I will rather go for multiple windows instead of having a session manager. So, you use it (session manager) or not. Your own decision. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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W dniu 2018-03-07 o 13:34, Mark Regan pisze: Several selling points for using a session manager are: 1) you only have to make one tn3270 connection, as long as you have SNA connectivity with all the LPARS you want to have SNA sessions with; 2) if you lose that tn3270 connection, when you log back into it, your active 3270 sessions are still there; and 3) your session manager can automate the login to all the SNA sessions you want, either at initial login time, or later if you select a session manually from its menu. 1) Connection is free. Many session definitions can be saved and kept on PC desktop. Forget about SNA, nowadays it's TCP/IP, with TSL/SSL option. 2) Lost connection do happen, but it is really exotic. However in that case the only what I need is to logon with reconnect option. 3) While there are other ways to auto-logon I sipmly don't bother with it. Logon process is not big deal. Form the other hand a session manager is a cost. How much is it??? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.plsąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2018 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Gadi, I may be too old school, but for a session manager to work there needs to be a connection between lpars. Naturally all the session managers you mentioned will do the job. I have used Supersession for years and for the most part have had no issues. As for the comments about why have one, I've seen shops use them to have control what application people see and use. Some places force you to enter their systems only through a session manager. You should always have a back door to get in to your systems with the need for a session manager. Thanks.. Paul Feller AGT Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 02:27 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Session Manager Hi, I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. The systems run z/OS v2.2 Thanks Gadi ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Mark, I get all those, but are those enough to justify the cost? TN3270 connections are *free*, yes there is an imposition if your sessions are dropped, but how often is that occurring? Do you still run with a session manager? I have not for over 20 years. I guess I've gotten so used to just having separate windows open, and being able to see the contents of multiple windows at the same time that I could not imagine going back to those limitations. _ Dave Jousma Manager Mainframe Engineering, Assistant Vice President david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Regan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 7:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Session Manager **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** Several selling points for using a session manager are: 1) you only have to make one tn3270 connection, as long as you have SNA connectivity with all the LPARS you want to have SNA sessions with; 2) if you lose that tn3270 connection, when you log back into it, your active 3270 sessions are still there; and 3) your session manager can automate the login to all the SNA sessions you want, either at initial login time, or later if you select a session manually from its menu. On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:01 AM Jousma, David wrote: > Isn't the idea of a session manager kinda fading into the sunset? These > were popular back in the days of coax attached 3270 terminals, but > these days, having as many emulator windows open on your workstation is > easier? > > Not criticizing, just curious on the need I guess. > > _ > Dave Jousma > Manager Mainframe Engineering, Assistant Vice President > david.jou...@53.com > 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1830+East+Paris,+Grand+Rapids,+MI%C2%A0+49 > 546&entry=gmail&source=g> > MD RSCB2H > p 616.653.8429 <(616)%20653-8429> > f 616.653.2717 <(616)%20653-2717> > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Gadi Ben-Avi > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 3:27 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Session Manager > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > unexpected emails** > > Hi, > > I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. > > I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. > > Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access > sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. > > The systems run z/OS v2.2 > > Thanks > > Gadi > > > ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? > ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? > ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? > ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? > ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > unexpected emails** > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or > disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, > any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by > informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, > please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this > error is appreciated. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Regards, Mark T. Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION EX
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Several selling points for using a session manager are: 1) you only have to make one tn3270 connection, as long as you have SNA connectivity with all the LPARS you want to have SNA sessions with; 2) if you lose that tn3270 connection, when you log back into it, your active 3270 sessions are still there; and 3) your session manager can automate the login to all the SNA sessions you want, either at initial login time, or later if you select a session manually from its menu. On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:01 AM Jousma, David wrote: > Isn't the idea of a session manager kinda fading into the sunset? These > were popular back in the days of coax attached 3270 terminals, but these > days, having as many emulator windows open on your workstation is easier? > > Not criticizing, just curious on the need I guess. > > _ > Dave Jousma > Manager Mainframe Engineering, Assistant Vice President > david.jou...@53.com > 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1830+East+Paris,+Grand+Rapids,+MI%C2%A0+49546&entry=gmail&source=g> > MD RSCB2H > p 616.653.8429 <(616)%20653-8429> > f 616.653.2717 <(616)%20653-2717> > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Gadi Ben-Avi > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 3:27 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Session Manager > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > unexpected emails** > > Hi, > > I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. > > I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. > > Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access > sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. > > The systems run z/OS v2.2 > > Thanks > > Gadi > > > ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? > ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? > ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? > ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? > ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION > EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > unexpected emails** > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate > it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is > prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender > that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your > computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Regards, Mark T. Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Try virtel from syspertec there is a session manager include Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung.😎 > Am 07.03.2018 um 09:27 schrieb Gadi Ben-Avi : > > Hi, > > I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. > > I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. > > Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access sessions > on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. > > The systems run z/OS v2.2 > > Thanks > > Gadi > > > ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? > ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? > ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? > ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? > ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Session Manager
Isn't the idea of a session manager kinda fading into the sunset? These were popular back in the days of coax attached 3270 terminals, but these days, having as many emulator windows open on your workstation is easier? Not criticizing, just curious on the need I guess. _ Dave Jousma Manager Mainframe Engineering, Assistant Vice President david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 3:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Session Manager **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** Hi, I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. The systems run z/OS v2.2 Thanks Gadi ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Session Manager
Hi, I am looking for recommendations for a session manager for z/OS. I know of IBM's CL/SupperSession, CA's TPX and NetPass. Ideally, We are looking for something that would be able to access sessions on multiple partitions that are not connected in any way. The systems run z/OS v2.2 Thanks Gadi ? ?? ? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?? ??. ?? , ?? ??? ?, ??? ? ?? ??? ? ?? ?? ?. ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???, ?/?? ?, ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ??? ?/?? ?? ?? ??. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
> On Oct 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Hank Oerlemans wrote: > > I don't feel disbandedstill tapping merrily away supporting Fault > Analyzer...just with a different email address 😊 > > The same could be said of the rest of Products and Platforms > > > > https://www.hcltech.com/features/partnership-growth-and-innovation > <https://www.hcltech.com/features/partnership-growth-and-innovation> Not much meat there, so w3ill pass on any product. One thing that stood out that out was that the product is NOT US based. Not sure I would trust the cookies with them. Ed > > > > Of course the single biggest personal advantage is a new email address with a > corresponding drop off in SPAM. > > My IBM address was too well known 😉 > > > > > > Cheers Hank > > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Roberto Halais > Sent: 19 August 2017 02:04 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM Session Manager replacement > > > > Thank you Ed. Good info to know. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:43 AM Ed Jaffe > mailto:edja...@phoenixsoftware.com>> > > wrote: > > > >> On 8/17/2017 3:20 PM, Roberto Halais wrote: > >>> IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out > >>> by > >> the > >>> end of 2018. > >>> > >>> They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. > >>> > >>> I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. > >> > >> IBM Session Manager for z/OS is Macro 4 Tubes (rebranded). So, if you > >> want near-zero conversion effort, that would be the way to go. > >> > >> CL/Supersession isn't a bad product (originally from Candle), but > >> who's doing the development now? > >> > >> IBM disbanded their product development teams for SDSF, the entire > >> OMEGAMON suite (also originally from Candle), the entire Optim suite, > >> File Manager, Fault Analyzer, Tivoli Workload Scheduler (and related > >> products), Security AppScan, Transformation Extender, a bunch of > >> Rational products (Synergy & Change, Test Automation, BuildForge, > >> Asset Manager, etc.) and so many others it's hard to keep up any more. > >> These products are now partnership owned and developed by ISVs under > >> intellectual property and profit sharing arrangements. I suspect the > >> same is true of CL/Supersession. I just don't know who really owns and > >> develops it. If anyone knows for sure, please post to the list... > >> > >> -- > >> PHOENIX SOFTWARE INTERNATIONAL > >> Edward E. Jaffe > >> 831 Parkview Drive North > >> El Segundo, CA 90245 > >> http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ > >> > >> -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > >> email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu<mailto:lists...@listserv.ua.edu> with the >> message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > > -- > > Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu<mailto:lists...@listserv.ua.edu> with the message: > INFO IBM-MAIN > > > ::DISCLAIMER:: > > > The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and > intended for the named recipient(s) only. > E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as > information could be intercepted, corrupted, > lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in > transmission. The e mail and its contents > (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on > the originator or HCL or its affiliates. > Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the > author and may not necessarily reflect the > views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, > dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, > distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written > consent of authorized representative of > HCL is strict
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
I don't feel disbandedstill tapping merrily away supporting Fault Analyzer...just with a different email address 😊 The same could be said of the rest of Products and Platforms https://www.hcltech.com/features/partnership-growth-and-innovation Of course the single biggest personal advantage is a new email address with a corresponding drop off in SPAM. My IBM address was too well known 😉 Cheers Hank -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Roberto Halais Sent: 19 August 2017 02:04 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Session Manager replacement Thank you Ed. Good info to know. On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:43 AM Ed Jaffe mailto:edja...@phoenixsoftware.com>> wrote: > On 8/17/2017 3:20 PM, Roberto Halais wrote: > > IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out > > by > the > > end of 2018. > > > > They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. > > > > I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. > > IBM Session Manager for z/OS is Macro 4 Tubes (rebranded). So, if you > want near-zero conversion effort, that would be the way to go. > > CL/Supersession isn't a bad product (originally from Candle), but > who's doing the development now? > > IBM disbanded their product development teams for SDSF, the entire > OMEGAMON suite (also originally from Candle), the entire Optim suite, > File Manager, Fault Analyzer, Tivoli Workload Scheduler (and related > products), Security AppScan, Transformation Extender, a bunch of > Rational products (Synergy & Change, Test Automation, BuildForge, > Asset Manager, etc.) and so many others it's hard to keep up any more. > These products are now partnership owned and developed by ISVs under > intellectual property and profit sharing arrangements. I suspect the > same is true of CL/Supersession. I just don't know who really owns and > develops it. If anyone knows for sure, please post to the list... > > -- > PHOENIX SOFTWARE INTERNATIONAL > Edward E. Jaffe > 831 Parkview Drive North > El Segundo, CA 90245 > http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu<mailto:lists...@listserv.ua.edu> with the > message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu<mailto:lists...@listserv.ua.edu> with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
There is one product that does exactly the same from Macro4 as they wrote and support The IBM session manager. Crispin Hugo Systems Specialist Macro 4 Limited d: +44 1293 872121 | m: +44 7753951308 | t: +44 1293 872000 | www.macro4.com Registered office: The Orangery, Turners Hill Road, Worth, Crawley, West Sussex, RH10 4SS Registered in England no: 00927588 Please consider the environment and only print this email if you really need to. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information that is PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL and/or ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT and is intended only for the individual(s) named herein. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the Macro 4 Postmaster (postmas...@macro4.com) of the error immediately, do not read or use the email and any attachments in any manner, destroy all copies, and delete it from your system if the communication was sent via email. Macro 4 Limited, Tel: +44 1293 872000 Fax: +44 1293 872001. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Longnecker, Dennis Sent: 18 August 2017 17:33 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Session Manager replacement Good luck on this. Every few years I look at what is out there to replace TPX. TPX is a great multi-session product and does what we need it to do, but when I get the about $60,000 bill every year I wonder what else is out there. TPX ties in with RACF pretty well and it dynamically builds the persons "menu" when they signon based on their RACF profiles. Love this capability because we never have to do TPX administration. Just add the user to RACF and it all happens dynamically. Some of the other products do this also. TPX also lets you "view" a person's screen. This is a wonderful feature the help desk uses. When a customer calls in with a problem, the person just enters the RACFID of the person and they can see what they are doing real-time without the caller having to do anything. The main reason we still have TPX is SMF records. TPX does an excellent job of writing out SMF data on all sorts of activity. In particular we can see how many transactions a user did in total and per session they signon to. We use this information a lot and have many reports for managers to view activity. Good luck on your endeavor. Dennis -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Roberto Halais Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM Session Manager replacement Hi listers: IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out by the end of 2018. They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. Thank you all for any hints. Roberto -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by Google Message Security and the UNICOM Global security systems. This message is for the named person's use only. If you receive this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
On Aug 18, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Wendell Lovewell wrote: > > MacKinney Systems as VTAM/Switch. We’ve been using this for years, and are quite happy with it. -- Pew, Curtis G curtis@austin.utexas.edu ITS Systems/Core/Administrative Services -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
MacKinney Systems as VTAM/Switch. We'll help you with converting your session manager definitions, and more than a couple of you could license it for $60k a year! (Dennis, give us a call!) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
Good luck on this. Every few years I look at what is out there to replace TPX. TPX is a great multi-session product and does what we need it to do, but when I get the about $60,000 bill every year I wonder what else is out there. TPX ties in with RACF pretty well and it dynamically builds the persons "menu" when they signon based on their RACF profiles. Love this capability because we never have to do TPX administration. Just add the user to RACF and it all happens dynamically. Some of the other products do this also. TPX also lets you "view" a person's screen. This is a wonderful feature the help desk uses. When a customer calls in with a problem, the person just enters the RACFID of the person and they can see what they are doing real-time without the caller having to do anything. The main reason we still have TPX is SMF records. TPX does an excellent job of writing out SMF data on all sorts of activity. In particular we can see how many transactions a user did in total and per session they signon to. We use this information a lot and have many reports for managers to view activity. Good luck on your endeavor. Dennis -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Roberto Halais Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM Session Manager replacement Hi listers: IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out by the end of 2018. They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. Thank you all for any hints. Roberto -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
Thank you Ed. Good info to know. On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:43 AM Ed Jaffe wrote: > On 8/17/2017 3:20 PM, Roberto Halais wrote: > > IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out by > the > > end of 2018. > > > > They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. > > > > I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. > > IBM Session Manager for z/OS is Macro 4 Tubes (rebranded). So, if you > want near-zero conversion effort, that would be the way to go. > > CL/Supersession isn't a bad product (originally from Candle), but who's > doing the development now? > > IBM disbanded their product development teams for SDSF, the entire > OMEGAMON suite (also originally from Candle), the entire Optim suite, > File Manager, Fault Analyzer, Tivoli Workload Scheduler (and related > products), Security AppScan, Transformation Extender, a bunch of > Rational products (Synergy & Change, Test Automation, BuildForge, Asset > Manager, etc.) and so many others it's hard to keep up any more. These > products are now partnership owned and developed by ISVs under > intellectual property and profit sharing arrangements. I suspect the > same is true of CL/Supersession. I just don't know who really owns and > develops it. If anyone knows for sure, please post to the list... > > -- > PHOENIX SOFTWARE INTERNATIONAL > Edward E. Jaffe > 831 Parkview Drive North > El Segundo, CA 90245 > http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
On 8/17/2017 3:20 PM, Roberto Halais wrote: IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out by the end of 2018. They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. IBM Session Manager for z/OS is Macro 4 Tubes (rebranded). So, if you want near-zero conversion effort, that would be the way to go. CL/Supersession isn't a bad product (originally from Candle), but who's doing the development now? IBM disbanded their product development teams for SDSF, the entire OMEGAMON suite (also originally from Candle), the entire Optim suite, File Manager, Fault Analyzer, Tivoli Workload Scheduler (and related products), Security AppScan, Transformation Extender, a bunch of Rational products (Synergy & Change, Test Automation, BuildForge, Asset Manager, etc.) and so many others it's hard to keep up any more. These products are now partnership owned and developed by ISVs under intellectual property and profit sharing arrangements. I suspect the same is true of CL/Supersession. I just don't know who really owns and develops it. If anyone knows for sure, please post to the list... -- PHOENIX SOFTWARE INTERNATIONAL Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
FYI - We are currently running NVAS and will migrate to CL/SS in 2018 - We contracted IBM to assist, they have REXX code/Processes to copy/clone NVAS customization to CL/SS to ease migrations for shops with heavily customized screens and scripts. MS -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Roberto Halais Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXT] Re: IBM Session Manager replacement Thank you all for your responses these will help inmensely. Again. Thank you Roberto On Aug 18, 2017 8:36 AM, "Wolfgang Fritz" < 016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hi > I forgot to give you a URL > > www.virtelweb.com > > > You could download and test it for > 5 users > > If you need support > You can send me a mail wolfgang.fr...@wfs-gmbh.eu > > > > Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung.😎 > > > Am 18.08.2017 um 14:08 schrieb william janulin > > <008d52e04f2e-dmarc- > requ...@listserv.ua.edu>: > > > > There is also TUBES from Macro 4. > > > > > >On Friday, August 18, 2017 7:53 AM, Wolfgang Fritz < > 016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > There is another possibility try > > Syspertec Virtel there is a Session manager Included and you could > > earn your 3270 emulation you work only browser > based with a http/SNA gateway > > RegArds > > Wolfgang > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
Thank you all for your responses these will help inmensely. Again. Thank you Roberto On Aug 18, 2017 8:36 AM, "Wolfgang Fritz" < 016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hi > I forgot to give you a URL > > www.virtelweb.com > > > You could download and test it for > 5 users > > If you need support > You can send me a mail wolfgang.fr...@wfs-gmbh.eu > > > > Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung.😎 > > > Am 18.08.2017 um 14:08 schrieb william janulin <008d52e04f2e-dmarc- > requ...@listserv.ua.edu>: > > > > There is also TUBES from Macro 4. > > > > > >On Friday, August 18, 2017 7:53 AM, Wolfgang Fritz < > 016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > There is another possibility try > > Syspertec Virtel there is a Session manager > > Included and you could earn your 3270 emulation you work only browser > based with a http/SNA gateway > > RegArds > > Wolfgang > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
Hi I forgot to give you a URL www.virtelweb.com You could download and test it for 5 users If you need support You can send me a mail wolfgang.fr...@wfs-gmbh.eu Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung.😎 > Am 18.08.2017 um 14:08 schrieb william janulin > <008d52e04f2e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>: > > There is also TUBES from Macro 4. > > >On Friday, August 18, 2017 7:53 AM, Wolfgang Fritz > <016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Hi > There is another possibility try > Syspertec Virtel there is a Session manager > Included and you could earn your 3270 emulation you work only browser based > with a http/SNA gateway > RegArds > Wolfgang > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
There is also TUBES from Macro 4. On Friday, August 18, 2017 7:53 AM, Wolfgang Fritz <016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi There is another possibility try Syspertec Virtel there is a Session manager Included and you could earn your 3270 emulation you work only browser based with a http/SNA gateway RegArds Wolfgang -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
Hi There is another possibility try Syspertec Virtel there is a Session manager Included and you could earn your 3270 emulation you work only browser based with a http/SNA gateway RegArds Wolfgang -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
Roberto, Have a read of the Announcement Letter (https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=an&subtype=ca&appname=gpateam&supplier=897&letternum=ENUS215-356) for CL/Supersession and in particular the section titled "ESW trade-up - Ordering information" . You may find that it may be a NO cost option for you to go to CL/Supersession - possibly worth investigating . Hope the above helps . Roger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Tubes from Macro 4 will be the easiest in terms of migration. Steve Austin Product Architect Macro 4 Limited d: +44 1293 872261 | t: +44 1293 872000 | www.macro4.com Registered office: The Orangery, Turners Hill Road, Worth, Crawley, West Sussex, RH10 4SS Registered in England no: 00927588 Please consider the environment and only print this email if you really need to. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information that is PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL and/or ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT and is intended only for the individual(s) named herein. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the Macro 4 Postmaster (postmas...@macro4.com) of the error immediately, do not read or use the email and any attachments in any manner, destroy all copies, and delete it from your system if the communication was sent via email. Macro 4 Limited, Tel: +44 1293 872000 Fax: +44 1293 872001. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Roberto Halais Sent: 17 August 2017 23:20 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM Session Manager replacement Hi listers: IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out by the end of 2018. They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. Thank you all for any hints. Roberto -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by Google Message Security and the UNICOM Global security systems. This message is for the named person's use only. If you receive this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
TPX is good and easy to use On 18-Aug-2017 10:19 AM, "Lucas Rosalen" wrote: > Yes, it is. > In my previous and current shops we're using it. > > > --- > *Lucas Rosalen* > Emails: rosalen.lu...@gmail.com / *lrosa...@pl.ibm.com > * > LinkedIn: http://br.linkedin.com/in/lrosalen > Phone: +48 (71) 792 809 198 > > > 2017-08-18 5:59 GMT+02:00 Edward Gould : > > > > On Aug 17, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Roberto Halais > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi listers: > > > > > > IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out by > > the > > > end of 2018. > > > > > > They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. > > > > > > I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar > function. > > > > > > I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. > > > > > > Thank you all for any hints. > > > > > > Roberto > > > > > > -- > > > > I liked TPX a lot but do not know if its still available. > > > > Ed > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yes, it is. In my previous and current shops we're using it. --- *Lucas Rosalen* Emails: rosalen.lu...@gmail.com / *lrosa...@pl.ibm.com * LinkedIn: http://br.linkedin.com/in/lrosalen Phone: +48 (71) 792 809 198 2017-08-18 5:59 GMT+02:00 Edward Gould : > > On Aug 17, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Roberto Halais > wrote: > > > > Hi listers: > > > > IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out by > the > > end of 2018. > > > > They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. > > > > I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. > > > > I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. > > > > Thank you all for any hints. > > > > Roberto > > > > -- > > I liked TPX a lot but do not know if its still available. > > Ed > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
> On Aug 17, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Roberto Halais wrote: > > Hi listers: > > IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out by the > end of 2018. > > They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. > > I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. > > I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. > > Thank you all for any hints. > > Roberto > > -- I liked TPX a lot but do not know if its still available. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
NCPASS is used by DOD and it is used for authentication Steve -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Session Manager replacement NETPASS from BIS > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Mark Regan > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 4:57 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM Session Manager replacement > > There is TPX from CA. > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 18:21 Roberto Halais > wrote: > > > Hi listers: > > > > IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out > > by the end of 2018. > > > > They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. > > > > I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. > > > > I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. > > > > Thank you all for any hints. > > > > Roberto > > > > -- > > Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) > > > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > -- > > Regards, > > Mark T. Regan > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I have had both CL/Supersssion and TPX TPX is a pos in my opinion -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Regan Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Session Manager replacement There is TPX from CA. On Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 18:21 Roberto Halais wrote: > Hi listers: > > IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out > by the end of 2018. > > They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. > > I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. > > I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. > > Thank you all for any hints. > > Roberto > > -- > Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Regards, Mark T. Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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NETPASS from BIS > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Mark Regan > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 4:57 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM Session Manager replacement > > There is TPX from CA. > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 18:21 Roberto Halais > wrote: > > > Hi listers: > > > > IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out > > by the end of 2018. > > > > They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. > > > > I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. > > > > I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. > > > > Thank you all for any hints. > > > > Roberto > > > > -- > > Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > > Regards, > > Mark T. Regan > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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There is TPX from CA. On Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 18:21 Roberto Halais wrote: > Hi listers: > > IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out by the > end of 2018. > > They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. > > I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. > > I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. > > Thank you all for any hints. > > Roberto > > -- > Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Regards, Mark T. Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager replacement
Super session is a good product originally written by Candle Sent from my iPhone Sorry for any grammar problems > On Aug 17, 2017, at 17:20, Roberto Halais wrote: > > Hi listers: > > IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out by the > end of 2018. > > They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. > > I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. > > I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. > > Thank you all for any hints. > > Roberto > > -- > Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
IBM Session Manager replacement
Hi listers: IBM has notified that IBM Session Manager product will be phased out by the end of 2018. They suggest we migrate to IBM CL/Supersession. I would like to know of other vendor products that do a similar function. I will be searching but thought of tapping into your experience. Thank you all for any hints. Roberto -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement
Forgot to mention that by using RACF PassTickets then you remove the potential that user-ids and passwords are visible in plain text over the network or in memory or on a DASD etc, depending on your non-PassTicket approach. Again RACF PassTickets are a big plus for security and the auditors. Keith Banham R&D Manager Macro 4 Ltd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Like TPX the Tubes product will cater for single password and passing on passwords to the applications, as described in the previous entries, but it also has RACF PassTicket support - once the user is Authenticated at sign-on to Tubes then it utilises RACF capabilities to authorise the sign-on to all their applications. Whatever the approach please don't expect the poor end-user to remember multiple passwords - they will only write them all down on a whiteboard! This is one of the key benefits of using a session manager - centralized security, administration and control. With also using RACF to determine what applications a user can see and use the security team maintain complete control - auditors heaven. Don't be fooled by those who say they can just open up more emulation windows - a slippery slope to lose of security and control. Keith Banham R&D Manager Macro 4 Ltd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I overlooked the virtues of single sign-on in TPX. Your shop has to code for it, but it allows a user to sign on to applications with various userids such as TSO and CICS. Caveat: the userid on every application must have the same password; TPX uses different userids according to application but passes along the original TPX password. A corollary of this design is that you can change your password on all applications by changing first the main TPX userid, then logging on to every application one by one. You do not have to enter the new password. All this being said, I believe that this capability is an extra-charge feature over the base product. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Longnecker, Dennis Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement I would agree with the below. The remote screen via capability is excellent for help desk. No other software required, they just enter the persons RACF ID and they instantly see what is on the persons screen and as it changes. Again, we don't have to have any software on the persons screen or have them do a single thing. Also, TPX at least, produces wonderful SMF records. So no matter what VTAM application they visit, I can produce reports on the total number of transactions they did, along with signon times for both the session manager and any VTAM applications. Oh, and if you implement it, you can have single signon to your VTAM applications. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement We depend heavily on TPX here. A session manager provides two key benefits: 1) A session manager 'holds' a session from which the user gets disconnected. Nowadays TSO/E is pretty good at reconnection, but other VTAM applications do not have this capability. There is no substitute for this function for productivity. 2) A session manager can support far more connections than any emulator I've ever seen. As a z/OS sysprog, I can limp along fairly well with just an emulator, but we have altogether several scores of CICS regions across the enterprise. TPX can orchestrate as many concurrent sessions as a user needs. A third benefit that I rarely make use of is the ability to 'move' a workstation from one location to another. I can walk to another desk even in another building and 'take over' my original TPX session. This can be especially useful for help desk/debugging activities. Fourth, Tom Brennan makes a usermod available to Vista that, together with an available usermod to TPX, causes the current session name to appear continuously at the bottom of the screen. The more sessions you have open--especially if they look very similar--the more important this feature becomes. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dana Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early 2000's. We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the time as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products. I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows. What sort of functions provided by a session manager do you require? Dana On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:28:13 -0500, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, >Tubes from MACRO4 just to name just a few Carmen > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I would agree with the below. The remote screen via capability is excellent for help desk. No other software required, they just enter the persons RACF ID and they instantly see what is on the persons screen and as it changes. Again, we don't have to have any software on the persons screen or have them do a single thing. Also, TPX at least, produces wonderful SMF records. So no matter what VTAM application they visit, I can produce reports on the total number of transactions they did, along with signon times for both the session manager and any VTAM applications. Oh, and if you implement it, you can have single signon to your VTAM applications. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement We depend heavily on TPX here. A session manager provides two key benefits: 1) A session manager 'holds' a session from which the user gets disconnected. Nowadays TSO/E is pretty good at reconnection, but other VTAM applications do not have this capability. There is no substitute for this function for productivity. 2) A session manager can support far more connections than any emulator I've ever seen. As a z/OS sysprog, I can limp along fairly well with just an emulator, but we have altogether several scores of CICS regions across the enterprise. TPX can orchestrate as many concurrent sessions as a user needs. A third benefit that I rarely make use of is the ability to 'move' a workstation from one location to another. I can walk to another desk even in another building and 'take over' my original TPX session. This can be especially useful for help desk/debugging activities. Fourth, Tom Brennan makes a usermod available to Vista that, together with an available usermod to TPX, causes the current session name to appear continuously at the bottom of the screen. The more sessions you have open--especially if they look very similar--the more important this feature becomes. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dana Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early 2000's. We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the time as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products. I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows. What sort of functions provided by a session manager do you require? Dana On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:28:13 -0500, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, >Tubes from MACRO4 just to name just a few Carmen > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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"Don't panic." IBM Tivoli NetView Access Services ("NVAS"), IBM Program
Number 5698-NAS, will be withdrawn from marketing on October 2, 2017. There
is no End of Service date listed, so full support for NVAS continues.
IBM CL/SUPERSESSION Version 2.1, which became generally available in
December, 2015, is the replacement product. That's IBM Program Number
5601-B28. If you're interested in CL/SUPERSESSION, "talk to your friendly
IBM representative." However, again, no need to panic.
IBM Session Manager for z/OS (5655-U98) was withdrawn from marketing on
January 2, 2017. The End of Service date is December 31, 2018.
Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA
E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com
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We depend heavily on TPX here. A session manager provides two key benefits: 1) A session manager 'holds' a session from which the user gets disconnected. Nowadays TSO/E is pretty good at reconnection, but other VTAM applications do not have this capability. There is no substitute for this function for productivity. 2) A session manager can support far more connections than any emulator I've ever seen. As a z/OS sysprog, I can limp along fairly well with just an emulator, but we have altogether several scores of CICS regions across the enterprise. TPX can orchestrate as many concurrent sessions as a user needs. A third benefit that I rarely make use of is the ability to 'move' a workstation from one location to another. I can walk to another desk even in another building and 'take over' my original TPX session. This can be especially useful for help desk/debugging activities. Fourth, Tom Brennan makes a usermod available to Vista that, together with an available usermod to TPX, causes the current session name to appear continuously at the bottom of the screen. The more sessions you have open--especially if they look very similar--the more important this feature becomes. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dana Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early 2000's. We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the time as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products. I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows. What sort of functions provided by a session manager do you require? Dana On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:28:13 -0500, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, >Tubes from MACRO4 just to name just a few Carmen > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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IBM's preferred session manager was IBM Session Manager (ISM), for which they have announced support will cease in 2018. Macro 4's Tubes for z/OS product is fully compatible with ISM and I understand many clients have migrated in a few hours without configuration changes. Tubes from Macro 4 is still being actively enhanced and the latest features include Eclipse interfaces, instant web enablement via desktops and tablet devices, and application performance monitoring. Lots of interesting features, please take a closer look at https://www.macro4.com/index.php?cID=5348. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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> On Feb 7, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Dana Mitchell wrote: > > I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early > 2000's. We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the > time as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products. > > I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy > availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows. What sort of functions > provided by a session manager do you require? IBM already had a session manager for TSO back in the early 80’s and in fact its still available (last I looked). Session manager was great once you mastered it. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Stone, Marshall wrote: >Does anyone have the link/URL for the NVAS announcement? See below URL for 5695-036. (Watch the wap!!!) http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd&subtype=sm&appname=ShopzSeries&htmlfid=897/ENUS5695-036 According to this URL below 5695-036 is supposed (?) to be replaced by 5698-NAS: http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/877/ENUSZP04-0447/index.html And IBM's Software Withdrawel and SOD: (another wrap!) http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=an&subtype=ca&appname=plc_db2imstool&htmlfid=897/ENUS916-145 Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hum, last place I worked, 2014 Tubes was still MACRO4 now I see on an IBM website Solution name : Macro 4 Tubes Solution description : Tubes provide a secure, user-friendly means of accessing multiple systems from a single terminal on z/OS™. Solution web page : http://www.macro4.com/solutions/products/dumpmaster/index.html nt I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early 2000's. We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the time as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products. I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows. What sort of functions provided by a session manager do you require? Dana On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:28:13 -0500, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, Tubes >from MACRO4 just to name just a few >Carmen > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I think Tubes was acquired by IBM and became IBM Session Manager in the early 2000's. We converted several systems TPX, Cl/SuperSession etc to it at the time as part of the push to convert from ISV products to IBM products. I haven't needed/worked with a session manager for many years with the easy availablity of just opening multiple Vista windows. What sort of functions provided by a session manager do you require? Dana On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:28:13 -0500, Carmen Vitullo wrote: >I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, Tubes >from MACRO4 just to name just a few >Carmen > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Please note that the withdrawal is only V1.x.x - Most shops are currently on V2.1.1 of NVAS -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Salah Balboul Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement Hello list, IBM announced Tivoli Netview Access Services for MVS being withdrawn come 09/10/2018. Anyone knows of a similar replacement on the market with same features? I know IBM also has the old Candle CL/SuperSession. I'm wondering if others are using non-IBM products for session management on zOS. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement
We use NVAS and CA/Solve (2 different workloads) Does anyone have the link/URL for the NVAS announcement? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, Tubes from MACRO4 just to name just a few Carmen - Original Message - From: "Salah Balboul" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:06:43 AM Subject: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement Hello list, IBM announced Tivoli Netview Access Services for MVS being withdrawn come 09/10/2018. Anyone knows of a similar replacement on the market with same features? I know IBM also has the old Candle CL/SuperSession. I'm wondering if others are using non-IBM products for session management on zOS. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement
I have used TPX for years, since it was first marketed by Duquesne!! (It has since been acquired by Legent and then by CA.) I believe that MacKinney still markets a product called VTAM/Switch. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Salah Balboul [balbo...@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement Hello list, IBM announced Tivoli Netview Access Services for MVS being withdrawn come 09/10/2018. Anyone knows of a similar replacement on the market with same features? I know IBM also has the old Candle CL/SuperSession. I'm wondering if others are using non-IBM products for session management on zOS. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement
I've used TPX, Teleview, not sure of Teleview is now TPX, both from CA, Tubes from MACRO4 just to name just a few Carmen - Original Message - From: "Salah Balboul" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:06:43 AM Subject: IBM Netview Session Manager replacement Hello list, IBM announced Tivoli Netview Access Services for MVS being withdrawn come 09/10/2018. Anyone knows of a similar replacement on the market with same features? I know IBM also has the old Candle CL/SuperSession. I'm wondering if others are using non-IBM products for session management on zOS. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hello list, IBM announced Tivoli Netview Access Services for MVS being withdrawn come 09/10/2018. Anyone knows of a similar replacement on the market with same features? I know IBM also has the old Candle CL/SuperSession. I'm wondering if others are using non-IBM products for session management on zOS. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
FW: Help with IBM Session Manager Prefix Command
Hi, I got no takers on this one. I called IBM but nothing appeared to jump out
documenting what a "G" does. It may be doing a STARTSC OFF command.
One of our System Programmers found this in SISZCCNF where we define our Panel.
You may also find this. "G" may work for you to bypass the startscript.
when uc_c_m2.sub2 = 'g' /* kka08 start manual session */
let t_command = s_n.sub2/* kka08 inserted for manual start *
let uc_manuell = 'YES' /* kka08 for checking in startscript
let uc_c_m2.sub2 = ' ' /* kka08 wipe prefix area */
Later, Dave
From: Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 3:38 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Help with IBM Session Manager Prefix Command
Dear Session Manager Experts,
On the main ISM menu I see a description for "My Appl". To the left is the
number. From the command line on the bottom I can enter "35" to get to "My
Appl".
I can enter "S" as a prefix command to select 35/"My Appl". I am looking for
documentation on what a "G" does when entered as a prefix command.
Session Manager:
Sel Description
--- ---
_35 My Appl
So I looked in the following books and did not find the Prefix Commands
documented (the ones that are shown on the online help panels when you enter
"?"):
The following publications are available for Session Manager for z/OS, V3.2:
Title Order number
----
Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - Installation and GC34-2804-00
Customization
Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - Technical ReferenceSC34-2805-00
Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - Panels, ScriptsSC34-2806-00
and Variables
Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - Online and Batch SC34-2807-00
Administration
Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - User and Administrator SC34-2808-00
Guide
Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - Quick ReferenceSC34-2809-00
I can enter "?" as a prefix command to see the Prefix commands:
On the supplied privileged MENU, the prefix area will accept the
following commands :
Prefix command S/MGR commandDescription
-- ----
? display this screen
S (SELECT) start/re-join session
K (KILL) RESET n terminate session n
R (RESET) RESET n terminate session n
E (END) ENDSCRIPT n run ENDSCRIPT and end session
* ENDSCRIPT * run ENDSCRIPTS and end ALL sessions
H (HALTSCRIPT)HALTSCRIPT n kill SCRIPT running on this session
P (HARDCOPY) HARDCOPY n take hardcopy print of this session
C (CONCEAL) CONCEAL nconceal this session
D (DELSESS) DELSESS n delete this ADDSESS session
Q). Where did IBM hide the documentation on the Prefix Commands for 5655-U98
IBM Session Manager for z/OS 3.200B? When I enter a "G" as a prefix command it
looks like it bypasses the scripting so I can do a "-Reconnect" to get back to
my TSO userid.
Enter an 'S' before each option desired below:
-Nomail -Nonotice-Reconnect-OIDcard
Thank you, Dave
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Help with IBM Session Manager Prefix Command
Dear Session Manager Experts, On the main ISM menu I see a description for "My Appl". To the left is the number. From the command line on the bottom I can enter "35" to get to "My Appl". I can enter "S" as a prefix command to select 35/"My Appl". I am looking for documentation on what a "G" does when entered as a prefix command. Session Manager: Sel Description --- --- _35 My Appl So I looked in the following books and did not find the Prefix Commands documented (the ones that are shown on the online help panels when you enter "?"): The following publications are available for Session Manager for z/OS, V3.2: Title Order number -------- Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - Installation and GC34-2804-00 Customization Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - Technical ReferenceSC34-2805-00 Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - Panels, Scripts SC34-2806-00 and Variables Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - Online and Batch SC34-2807-00 Administration Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - User and Administrator SC34-2808-00 Guide Session Manager for z/OS V3.2 - Quick ReferenceSC34-2809-00 I can enter "?" as a prefix command to see the Prefix commands: On the supplied privileged MENU, the prefix area will accept the following commands : Prefix command S/MGR commandDescription -- ---- ? display this screen S (SELECT) start/re-join session K (KILL) RESET n terminate session n R (RESET) RESET n terminate session n E (END) ENDSCRIPT n run ENDSCRIPT and end session * ENDSCRIPT * run ENDSCRIPTS and end ALL sessions H (HALTSCRIPT)HALTSCRIPT n kill SCRIPT running on this session P (HARDCOPY) HARDCOPY n take hardcopy print of this session C (CONCEAL) CONCEAL nconceal this session D (DELSESS) DELSESS ndelete this ADDSESS session Q). Where did IBM hide the documentation on the Prefix Commands for 5655-U98 IBM Session Manager for z/OS 3.200B? When I enter a "G" as a prefix command it looks like it bypasses the scripting so I can do a "-Reconnect" to get back to my TSO userid. Enter an 'S' before each option desired below: -Nomail -Nonotice-Reconnect-OIDcard Thank you, Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager
Excellent, thanks Lizette. Jim McAlpine. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote: > I used Bing.com and IBM SESSION MANAGER SETUP and came up with this URL > > http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246459.pdf IBM Session > Manager > Implementation > > Is this what you are looking for? > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf > > Of Jim McAlpine > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:13 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: IBM Session Manager > > > > Anyone know if there is a quick guide to configuring the above or any > Share or other > > presentation that would help in getting it implemented sharpish. > > > > Jim McAlpine > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Session Manager
I used Bing.com and IBM SESSION MANAGER SETUP and came up with this URL http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246459.pdf IBM Session Manager Implementation Is this what you are looking for? > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf > Of Jim McAlpine > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:13 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: IBM Session Manager > > Anyone know if there is a quick guide to configuring the above or any Share or other > presentation that would help in getting it implemented sharpish. > > Jim McAlpine > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
