Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-11-15 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Roland Hughes wrote: > This was old school grind it out trouble shooting which is not allowed > under Agile. My two cents: "$FOO is not allowed" *screams* "not agile". ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-11-15 Thread Roland Hughes
This would be the second 2 fatal flaws with Agile. Developer's choice 1 and done mentality/management. Actually that is better than some of the Agile groups at equipment manufacturers, some of them demand their developers commit 3 completed stories per day. Big ugly Ogre on steroids type bug

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-18 Thread Jason H
> In years prior it was not uncommon to find major corporations with teams > of 40+ developers, many of them consultants, developing systems for > internal consumption. Large projects took (and still take) a minimum of > 7 years to spec, develop, test, install and finally settle in. During > th

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-18 Thread Jan Krause
Am 18.10.2016 um 13:41 schrieb Viktor Engelmann: I'm not even on board for TDD, because tests don't help you against interlocking-issues, data races, etc. and are only of limited use against many others like dangling pointers, subsequent memory corruption, UI freezing, etc. This is a really int

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-18 Thread Roland Hughes
On 10/18/2016 07:00 AM, interest-requ...@qt-project.org wrote: It's hard to know when you're really done because you don't really have metrics to tell you--or the customer--when the project/is/ done. Per the 1985 accounting rules change, if you have a definition of "done" you cannot book the

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-18 Thread Roland Hughes
On 10/18/2016 07:00 AM, interest-requ...@qt-project.org wrote: I'm not even on board for TDD, because tests don't help you against interlocking-issues, data races, etc. and are only of limited use against many others like dangling pointers, subsequent memory corruption, UI freezing, etc. Tests ca

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-18 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Viktor Engelmann wrote: > > A key part in that article: *"A complex back-end data services hub — a > piece of software with zero actual, living, breathing end-users — has to be > described in terms of “user” stories. Does something sound off-key to you? > It shoul

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-18 Thread Viktor Engelmann
Am 18.10.2016 um 12:31 schrieb Roland Hughes: > https://gcn.com/blogs/reality-check/2013/11/healthcare-agile.aspx > > Contrary to your opinion, Healthcare.gov is a shining example of the > faster-cheaper-splat that is Agile. A key part in that article: /"A complex back-end data services hub — a p

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-18 Thread Roland Hughes
On 10/17/2016 10:30 AM, Jason H wrote: On 10/04/2016 06:31 PM, interest-requ...@qt-project.org wrote: Similarly Healthcare.gov started off not Agile and ended Agile. Clearly, the problem isn't the methodology, it is your application of it. You know, I can forgive most of the dis-information

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-17 Thread Jason H
> On 10/04/2016 06:31 PM, interest-requ...@qt-project.org wrote: > > I think the bigger issue, that many people have expressed here, but not > > said as such, is the Qt release cycle is not Agile. > I would thank God it is not, but the rest of your post proves that it is. > > As more teams adopt A

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-17 Thread Jason H
You haven't highlighted any problem with Agile the methodology. You have only highlighted problems with the skills of your team, or at worst, how your team implements Agile. I don't disagree that having a thought-out event lifecycle approach isn't important, and I'd argue that it should have it's o

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-16 Thread Bob Hood
On 10/15/2016 6:59 PM, Roland Hughes wrote: When you work off nothing but stories you are hacking on the fly... Ok, since I've responded to this before (perhaps this should be a different thread?), I'll jump in there again and clarify where /I'm/ coming from... First, let me say I embrace Ag

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-16 Thread Kyle Altendorf
On 2016-10-15 20:59, Roland Hughes wrote: > On 09/28/2016 12:25 PM, interest-requ...@qt-project.org wrote: > > Don't you have unit tests? > > Yes. But which is better, to be forced to use an inherently error-prone > language (JavaScript) and rely on unit tests to clean up the mess, or to > use a

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-15 Thread Roland Hughes
This would be the second 2 fatal flaws with Agile. Developer's choice 1 and done mentality/management. Actually that is better than some of the Agile groups at equipment manufacturers, some of them demand their developers commit 3 completed stories per day. Big ugly Ogre on steroids type bug

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-15 Thread Roland Hughes
On 10/04/2016 06:31 PM, interest-requ...@qt-project.org wrote: I think the bigger issue, that many people have expressed here, but not said as such, is the Qt release cycle is not Agile. I would thank God it is not, but the rest of your post proves that it is. As more teams adopt Agile develo

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-15 Thread Roland Hughes
On 09/28/2016 12:25 PM, interest-requ...@qt-project.org wrote: Don't you have unit tests? Yes. But which is better, to be forced to use an inherently error-prone language (JavaScript) and rely on unit tests to clean up the mess, or to use a robust modern language (C++) and have less bugs to fin

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-05 Thread Jason H
[Interest] What don't you like about Qt? From: Thiago Macieira <thiago.macie...@intel.com> >> There isn't, because developer selects the bugs they're going to fix. >> There's common procedure. > Oops, this came out wrong after reediting. I meant that the

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-05 Thread Viktor Engelmann
To come back to the original topic: I dislike about Qt Creator that you cannot easily create and then use custom widgets. You have to read lots of documentation on how to make a Qt Creator _Plugin_ (and I remember the useless error messages I got when the plugin-interface changed between Qt 3 and

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-05 Thread Tuukka Turunen
> -Original Message- > From: Interest [mailto:interest-bounces+tuukka.turunen=qt.io@qt- > project.org] On Behalf Of Thiago Macieira > Sent: keskiviikkona 5. lokakuuta 2016 12.34 > To: interest@qt-project.org > Subject: Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-05 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em quarta-feira, 5 de outubro de 2016, às 19:48:00 CEST, John C. Turnbull escreveu: > You did mention though that The Qt Company has SLAs and will try to > reproduce problems etc., but what if I just want to say things like "I want > this feature" or "I don't think this feature is implemented in t

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-05 Thread John C. Turnbull
OK, thanks Thiago, it seems we do understand each other. And it also seems that I am indeed venting my frustrations in an inappropriate forum (as you pointed out that this list is related to the open source project). Sorry about that. You did mention though that The Qt Company has SLAs and will

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-05 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em quarta-feira, 5 de outubro de 2016, às 07:27:38 CEST, Kai Koehne escreveu: > > -Original Message- > > From: Interest [mailto:interest-bounces+kai.koehne=qt...@qt-project.org] > > [...] > > But maybe there is a need for some > > sort of regular high-level review of bugs to identify those

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-05 Thread Kai Koehne
> -Original Message- > From: Interest [mailto:interest-bounces+kai.koehne=qt...@qt-project.org] > [...] > But maybe there is a need for some > sort of regular high-level review of bugs to identify those that are having > the > worst customer impact and need to be looked at by the devs. Th

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-05 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em quarta-feira, 5 de outubro de 2016, às 13:59:17 CEST, Rob Allan escreveu: > Doesn't this really cut to the heart of what John is complaining about - > Agile or non-Agile aside? The issue seems to be that there is no > well-defined or over-arching policy or procedure for choosing what bugs to > f

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-05 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em quarta-feira, 5 de outubro de 2016, às 10:33:37 CEST, John C. Turnbull escreveu: > Thiago, it seems you have taken my comments as a personal attack on you and > you have responded (naturally) in a defensive way. > > Well, I tried to make it very clear from my opening sentence that this was > *

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-04 Thread Rob Allan
From: Thiago Macieira >> There isn't, because developer selects the bugs they're going to fix. >> There's common procedure. > Oops, this came out wrong after reediting. I meant that there is no common > procedure, each developer chooses the bugs however they wish. Doesn't this really cut to the

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-04 Thread John C. Turnbull
Thiago, it seems you have taken my comments as a personal attack on you and you have responded (naturally) in a defensive way. Well, I tried to make it very clear from my opening sentence that this was *not* a personal attack on you (or anyone else for that matter). In fact, I *thought* I made

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-04 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em quarta-feira, 5 de outubro de 2016, às 08:13:38 CEST, John C. Turnbull escreveu: > Thiago, with all due respect, and I'm very aware of the significant > contribution you personally have made to both the Qt product and the > community, there is clearly a high degree of dissatisfaction with vario

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-04 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em terça-feira, 4 de outubro de 2016, às 22:37:20 CEST, Thiago Macieira escreveu: > There isn't, because developer selects the bugs they're going to fix. > There's common procedure. Oops, this came out wrong after reediting. I meant that there is no common procedure, each developer chooses the b

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-04 Thread John C. Turnbull
Thiago, with all due respect, and I'm very aware of the significant contribution you personally have made to both the Qt product and the community, there is clearly a high degree of dissatisfaction with various aspects of Qt and the management of the SDLC. Your comments may be accurate but I'm

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-04 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em terça-feira, 4 de outubro de 2016, às 16:03:00 CEST, Jason H escreveu: > I think the bigger issue, that many people have expressed here, but not said > as such, is the Qt release cycle is not Agile. It's as fast as it can be. We can't release faster than it is because the steps just take too

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-04 Thread Jason H
  PS. If you're hating on Agile because you fear the transparency, or are concerned about your reputation, I think your days are limited. Also see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SARbwvhupQ   Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 at 11:40 AM From: "Tim O'Neil" To: interest@qt-pr

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-04 Thread Tim O'Neil
I can tell you all from direct experience Agile is not a one-size-fits-all tool. Its a tool, best used in mid-sized to larger organizations trying to build software. Its not at all appropriate for smaller shops. Kanban works just fine in those. On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Ronan Jouchet < ronan

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-04 Thread Ronan Jouchet
On 2016-10-04 10:28, Bob Hood wrote: Like Spiral from whence it sprung, I think Agile works wonderfully in certain project profiles. However, not everybody drinks the all-Agile-all-the-time Kool-Aid®. Contrary to popular religion, Agile is not the savior of the industry. It's another tool in th

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-04 Thread Bob Hood
On 10/4/2016 8:03 AM, Jason H wrote: I think the bigger issue, that many people have expressed here, but not said as such, is the Qt release cycle is not Agile. As more teams adopt Agile development practices... http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/agile-dead-matthew-kern Like Spiral from whence it

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-04 Thread Jason H
the incorporation of a regular search of that nature would immensely improve the product. I don't think there is any transparency in the selected for fix criteria? > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 at 5:56 AM > From: "John C. Turnbull" > To: "Bernhard Lindner"

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-03 Thread andy fillebrown
I was hired on to my new job because of my Qt4 experience, and my first QML related task was to convert a list view to a editable tree view with drag and drop. It was not a good experience. The TreeView control provided in Qt was full of bugs and I ended up pulling its private C++ model adaptor int

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-03 Thread John C. Turnbull
It's ironic in a way that every major graphical toolkit (and with many large software projects in general) that I've worked with over decades now, the attitude has commonly seemed to have been that "new" is better than "stable". The end result is a product full of both older and newer unstable f

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-10-03 Thread Bernhard Lindner
1. New features (quantity) are priorized over bug fixing (quality). Suggestions are almost sensless. I reduced writing bug reports and totally gave up writing suggestions due to this. 2. Widgets have too low priority. In general new fancy features are priorized above bread-and-butter features f

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-30 Thread Maxim
Some things that i don't like: -Qt uses own container classes (QList, QVector, etc.) instead STL containers (or some kind of STL derived containers). -Qt on Android: still big output APK size On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:20 PM, Sérgio Martins wrote: > Hi, > > > It's not unusual for us developers

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-28 Thread André Pönitz
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:43:37AM +0300, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: > > I quite like QML as a declarative markup language, but am less enthused > > about > > JavaScript. It seems like kind of a toy programming language. I'm a bit > > shocked that you can write "code" where you can happily call fun

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-28 Thread Jason H
Konrad: > Also: Javascript is not an OO language: you are supposed to have classes, not > prototypes, for OO. ES6 has proper classes. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Classes Rob: > I quite like QML as a declarative markup language, but am less enthused about >

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-28 Thread Konrad Rosenbaum
On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:57:01 Rob Allan wrote: > But even > then, in most OO languages, this is implemented through strongly-typed > interfaces - so that if you tried to "publish" a message that wasn't > defined, you would get a compile error. Most OO languages - Smalltalk, C++ > C#, et

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-27 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier
On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 11:43 PM, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: > > Qt metaobject system has same properties, e.g. you can assign or read > non-existing properties, connect to missing slots, etc. And thanks god using it like this isn't necessary to make Qt apps.

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-27 Thread Rob Allan
> Enter OOP. In classic OOP there are no function calls, you just send messages to object, and object dispatches > them "somehow" I don't think that sort of anonymous, decoupled messaging is the definition of OOP. It is perhaps a description of the Observer Pattern, where the "publisher" has no id

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-27 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
- Forwarded message -- >> From: Bo Thorsen >> To: interest@qt-project.org >> Cc: >> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 08:18:26 +0200 >> Subject: Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt? >> Den 21-09-2016 kl. 23:53 skrev André Pönitz: >>> On Wed, Sep

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-27 Thread Rob Allan
uce a more robust application if all of your coding could be done in C++ and none in JavaScript. Rob > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Bo Thorsen > To: interest@qt-project.org > Cc: > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 08:18:26 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Interest] What don&#

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-26 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier
x27;ve never seen it claimed that voting matters 1 iota. >> >> I guess what we're asking for here is more prioritization transparency? >> >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 2:27 AM >> *From:* "Vlad Stelmahovsky" >> *To:* "Jason

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-22 Thread Vlad Stelmahovsky
6 at 2:27 AM > *From:* "Vlad Stelmahovsky" > *To:* "Jason H" > *Cc:* interest > > *Subject:* Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt? > Actually you can vote for it and promote to other users to vote for it. > More votes - more chances issue to be solv

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-22 Thread Jason H
I've never seen it claimed that voting matters 1 iota.   I guess what we're asking for here is more prioritization transparency?     Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 2:27 AM From: "Vlad Stelmahovsky" To: "Jason H" Cc: interest Subject: Re: [Interest

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-21 Thread Vlad Stelmahovsky
t;Jason H" > > > Cc: interest , "Rob Allan" < > rob_al...@trimble.com> > > Subject: Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt? > > > > > > > > 21.09.2016, 15:28, "Jean-Michaël Celerier" com>: > > > Hey,

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-21 Thread Bo Thorsen
Den 21-09-2016 kl. 23:53 skrev André Pönitz: On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 05:42:44AM +, Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Sep 20, 2016, at 22:52, Rob Allan wrote: My biggest gripe is that the Qt Quick object model seems to be much more poorly supported in C++ than it is in QML. For example, in C++ you

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-21 Thread André Pönitz
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 05:42:44AM +, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > > On Sep 20, 2016, at 22:52, Rob Allan wrote: > > My biggest gripe is that the Qt Quick object model seems to be much > > more poorly supported in C++ than it is in QML. For example, in C++ > > you really only have access to QQuick

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-21 Thread Thiago Macieira
On quarta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2016 09:08:09 PDT André Somers wrote: > Op 20/09/2016 om 22:09 schreef Alejandro Exojo: > > On Monday 19 September 2016 18:35:43 Etienne Sandré-Chardonnal wrote: > >> Yes, but for instance you can't move-pass an object between signals and > >> slots across a queue

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-21 Thread Xavier Bigand
on, but it's effectively out of my hands. > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 8:35 AM > > From: "Konstantin Tokarev" > > To: "Jean-Michaël Celerier" , "Jason H" > > > Cc: interest , "Rob Allan" < > r

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-21 Thread Jason H
uot;Konstantin Tokarev" > To: "Jean-Michaël Celerier" , "Jason H" > > Cc: interest , "Rob Allan" > Subject: Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt? > > > > 21.09.2016, 15:28, "Jean-Michaël Celerier" : > > He

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-21 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
21.09.2016, 15:28, "Jean-Michaël Celerier" : > Hey, there is a lot of interesting points in all these answers; some > similars, some not. > > Maybe a good way forward would be to try to pinpoint the problems more > precisely with an online platform such > as http://en.arguman.org/ ? Or even jus

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-21 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier
Hey, there is a lot of interesting points in all these answers; some similars, some not. Maybe a good way forward would be to try to pinpoint the problems more precisely with an online platform such as http://en.arguman.org/ ? Or even just some kind of google doc... Starting from there would mayb

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-21 Thread Jason H
> I also can't help making a comparison with two other popular layout > frameworks: WPF/XAML, and Android/AXML. In both of these worlds, the markup > language and the "code-behind" class hierarchy of UI elements are > absolutely equivalent 1st class citizens. Anything you can do in XAML, you > can

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-21 Thread Björn Piltz
I switched from qmake to cmake some five+ years ago and while I don't regret it, it takes the 'I' out of all the IDEs I use. No class wizard or real refactoring. Creating a new class or worse library or project takes a lot of blind text editing. This could only be fixed by a full fledged QBS I gues

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-21 Thread André Somers
Op 20/09/2016 om 22:09 schreef Alejandro Exojo: On Monday 19 September 2016 18:35:43 Etienne Sandré-Chardonnal wrote: Yes, but for instance you can't move-pass an object between signals and slots across a queued connection, unless I'm wrong. You have to make your object implicitely shared. Thi

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-20 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Sep 20, 2016, at 22:52, Rob Allan wrote: > My biggest gripe is that the Qt Quick object model seems to be much more > poorly supported in C++ than it is in QML. For example, in C++ you really > only have access to QQuickItem - none of its derived classes are documented, > and their interfac

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-20 Thread Rob Allan
I'm fairly new to Qt (a few months), but am already very impressed by its power and overall quality. I'm also super impressed that the user-base is being asked about what they don't like - so many providers of tools or services just don't want to hear this stuff! So much kudos to the developers for

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-20 Thread Jérôme Godbout
I could also add the enum exposition to Qml, would be nice to have them inside their own name and a way to auto map int to string value. we always have to it manually to convert back and forth for available string/int value. an object that would wrap the enum and have the following properties: C++

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-20 Thread Alejandro Exojo
On Monday 19 September 2016 18:35:43 Etienne Sandré-Chardonnal wrote: > Yes, but for instance you can't move-pass an object between signals and > slots across a queued connection, unless I'm wrong. You have to make your > object implicitely shared. This causes lots of copies when passing a > std::v

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-20 Thread André Somers
Op 19/09/2016 om 22:49 schreef Thiago Macieira: On segunda-feira, 19 de setembro de 2016 18:35:43 PDT Etienne Sandré- Chardonnal wrote: Yes, but for instance you can't move-pass an object between signals and slots across a queued connection, unless I'm wrong. You have to make your object impli

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 19 de setembro de 2016 18:35:43 PDT Etienne Sandré- Chardonnal wrote: > Yes, but for instance you can't move-pass an object between signals and > slots across a queued connection, unless I'm wrong. You have to make your > object implicitely shared. This causes lots of copies when

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Jason H
To: "interest@qt-project.org" Subject: Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt? For myself I would love to see those changes (mostly to Qml, the C++ part is fairly striaght forward and we mostly no more used QWidgets):   Ability to extend or declare basic type into Qml (no

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Sean Harmer
On 19/09/2016 17:35, Etienne Sandré-Chardonnal wrote: Yes, but for instance you can't move-pass an object between signals and slots across a queued connection, unless I'm wrong. You have to make your object implicitely shared. This causes lots of copies when passing a std::vector, for instance.

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Jérôme Godbout
For myself I would love to see those changes (mostly to Qml, the C++ part is fairly striaght forward and we mostly no more used QWidgets): 1. Ability to extend or declare basic type into Qml (not only QObject), QQuaternion QMatrix4x4 functions are too limited and it's painful to have a s

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
19.09.2016, 21:54, "André Pönitz" : > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 09:20:43PM +0100, Sérgio Martins wrote: >>  Hi, >> >>  It's not unusual for us developers and contributors to lose >>  perspective of what's important. >>  After many years spent on very particular implementation details, it >>  become

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread André Pönitz
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 09:20:43PM +0100, Sérgio Martins wrote: > Hi, > > > It's not unusual for us developers and contributors to lose > perspective of what's important. > After many years spent on very particular implementation details, it > becomes difficult to see outside of the box. > > And

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Etienne Sandré-Chardonnal
Yes, but for instance you can't move-pass an object between signals and slots across a queued connection, unless I'm wrong. You have to make your object implicitely shared. This causes lots of copies when passing a std::vector, for instance. 2016-09-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Konstantin Tokarev : > > > 1

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
19.09.2016, 19:09, "Thiago Macieira" : > On segunda-feira, 19 de setembro de 2016 10:40:08 PDT Etienne Sandré- > Chardonnal wrote: >> - C++ style is a little bit outdated (no move semantics fir instance) > > Move semantics support have been in Qt since 5.0 or so. 4.8 http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 19 de setembro de 2016 10:40:08 PDT Etienne Sandré- Chardonnal wrote: >- C++ style is a little bit outdated (no move semantics fir instance) Move semantics support have been in Qt since 5.0 or so. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - In

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Jason H
1. Qt progresses at a glacial pace, and often neglects the more urgent/parity issues. - a. As more organizations adopt agile, this becomes all that more apparent. I've got to wait for a year for a code change to hit a release? Sorry, that's just too long. - b. Basic stuff like controlling the LE

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Duane
On 19/09/2016 9:11 AM, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 19.09.2016, 16:08, "Henry Skoglund" : Ok here's my number #1 complaint: the MaintenanceTool app, when you start it, why is the default selected choice to remove Qt??? It should be to update Qt of course. (Such a design could get you fired if y

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
19.09.2016, 16:08, "Henry Skoglund" : > Ok here's my number #1 complaint: > > the MaintenanceTool app, when you start it, why is the default selected > choice to remove Qt??? It should be to update Qt of course. > > (Such a design could get you fired if you worked for say, Microsoft. :=) I'd rat

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Henry Skoglund
Ok here's my number #1 complaint: the MaintenanceTool app, when you start it, why is the default selected choice to remove Qt??? It should be to update Qt of course. (Such a design could get you fired if you worked for say, Microsoft. :=) Rgrds Henry

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Kyle Altendorf
On 2016-09-19 05:20, Bo Thorsen wrote: * Designer plugin development/deployment sucks (should be in a scripting language or json, and should be possible to do per project) I don't know if you count Python as a scripting language or not, but just in case, you can do this with PyQt. http://p

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Uwe Rathmann
On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:20:43 +0100, Sérgio Martins wrote: > Please state your top ones, even if it was already stated by someone > else, so we have an idea about which ones matter more. a) C++ ( far beyond everything else ) The 2 language approach is a pain. In our application we have thousands

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Sze Howe Koh
On 19 September 2016 at 17:20, Michael Sué wrote: > Hi, > > - nothing new for widgets. > - not yet full support for VS 2015, missing "Addin" that is, for more than a > year now. > - missing C++ support for mobile platforms. > - unusable Docs for Qt3D. > > Best, Michael. Hi Michael, Regarding VS

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Sze Howe Koh
On 19 September 2016 at 01:14, Nate Rogers via Interest wrote: > > I'm a Linux user but a guy at work was trying out Qt on windows for a project > he was working on. He tried the new installer and it didn't come > preconfigured with a compiler like it used to. I didn't have time to trouble > sh

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Michael Sué
Hi, - nothing new for widgets. - not yet full support for VS 2015, missing "Addin" that is, for more than a year now. - missing C++ support for mobile platforms. - unusable Docs for Qt3D. Best, Michael. ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.or

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Bo Thorsen
Okay, I'll bite: * Poor standard of some modules - Qt Multimedia and Qt Components especially * Too much focus on features instead of fixing bugs * Designer plugin development/deployment sucks (should be in a scripting language or json, and should be possible to do per project) * Current gerrit

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Marco Piccolino
1) I don't like the distribution being so monolithic. I'd rather see the packages being shipped individually and having explicit version dependencies, like QML modules do and like qpm.io is doing. Maybe this kind of approach will be easier/possible with the new config system? 2) I don't like qml

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Simon Schäfer
Hi, I have a some missing things for nearly all topics Qt covers: 1. moc is lacking some sort of plugin mechanism. If there where, developers could extend the autocreation of QObjects, with their own ideas. 2. The build system, qmake. It feels very unusable and you have to use a lot of hidden

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-19 Thread Etienne Sandré-Chardonnal
Qt Commercial user here. I do not like: - Long time to get bugs fixed - QtQuick requires switching to QML and is not usable directly in C++ - Widgets development got less attention due to QtQuick development. HiDPI support was a good idea but it introduced many bugs - C++ style is

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-18 Thread Shawn Rutledge
> On 18 Sep 2016, at 02:37, Xavier Bigand wrote: > > I am using Qt for my day job, > > Our first difficulty with Qt is the release cycle that is really long and the > difficulty to test the futur versions. > As we often need the latest features or bug fixes, waiting 3-4 month isn't > possible

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-18 Thread Freddy Martinez Garcia
Qt 5.7 has a lot of improves and I think that you should use this version… I have no problem installing Qt on Windows… I install VS Community Edition with the compilers for C++ and then, I use the online installer for Windows given by Qt website… Also, you need to know that you should install Wind

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-18 Thread Nate Rogers via Interest
I'm a Linux user but a guy at work was trying out Qt on windows for a project he was working on. He tried the new installer and it didn't come preconfigured with a compiler like it used to. I didn't have time to trouble shoot it so I just had him download 5.5 because that one works without any m

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-18 Thread Freddy Martinez Garcia
Hi Nate, I’m a macOS user and I hate Windows, but right now I’m involve in a big project developed with QML, Qt Widgets and C++ (because we have various apps for desktop and mobile). In Windows I only had problem with the compiler from Visual Studio, which has a lot of problem with the compatibili

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-18 Thread Nate Rogers via Interest
I like C++ & QML. I don't like that the new version of Qt for windows is so hard to get working! Qt 5.5 worked right out of the box, no need to monkey around with compilers and everything else. I really don't like that Nate Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, B

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-18 Thread Ben Lau
On 18 September 2016 at 21:56, Bob Hood wrote: > On 9/18/2016 2:43 AM, Jean-Michaël Celerier wrote: > >> Some things that bother me : >> >> * Features being QML-only instead of being usable from C++. I like coding >> in C++ (but I agree it's hard). >> > > This is certainly arguable. For some, I

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-18 Thread Xavier Bigand
It would be more confortable to have more artifacts for 2 reasons : 1. As we constantly update our product based on Qt (our release cycle is between 3 and 6 months), reducing the delay to migrate to the latest version of Qt (to improve the stability, performances, compatibility,...) when come clos

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-18 Thread Bob Hood
On 9/18/2016 2:43 AM, Jean-Michaël Celerier wrote: Some things that bother me : * Features being QML-only instead of being usable from C++. I like coding in C++ (but I agree it's hard). This is certainly arguable. For some, I guess coding in C++ is hard. For others, it's as natural as brea

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-18 Thread André Pönitz
On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 02:37:01AM +0200, Xavier Bigand wrote: > I am using Qt for my day job, > > Our first difficulty with Qt is the release cycle that is really long and the > difficulty to test the futur versions. As we often need the latest features > or > bug fixes, waiting 3-4 month isn't

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-18 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier
Some things that bother me : * The (perceived) lack of stability with QtQuick / QML : first there was QtQuick with 4.8, then QtQuick 2.0, maybe QtQuick 3.0 with Qt 6 ? Then Controls 1.0, then Controls 2.0 ... everytime with a somewhat short life-span, which makes it a pain when looking for documen

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-17 Thread Xavier Bigand
I am using Qt for my day job, Our first difficulty with Qt is the release cycle that is really long and the difficulty to test the futur versions. As we often need the latest features or bug fixes, waiting 3-4 month isn't possible, and some times we just implement our self features or use workarou

Re: [Interest] What don't you like about Qt?

2016-09-17 Thread Artem Sidyakin
> From what I see, IPTV industry is massively switching away from Qt because > LGPL3 is incompatible with clients’ requirements I’m just from IBC (http://www.ibc.org) and I didn’t see much “switching away from Qt” there. What I saw was switching from LGPL v2.1 to commercial license. --- Artem S

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