On Friday, 28 February 2014 18:50:50 UTC+1, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
You can go one step further:
scala l.fold(0)(_ + _)
res0: Int = 6
RIght. I forgot about the scala 'arse' operator. My mistake.
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Perhaps you don't see a peep in this channel is because any discussion will
instantly devolve into a scala fanboy fest? This post turned into one
halfway throughout clay's 1st post!
I'm guessing there's not much happening because:
* Testing lambda features is still a ways out, but the IDEs are
the language itself. It can be in the
runtime, fine, but I shouldn't be polluting my source code with information
about versions of dependencies. Keep things that evolve independently
separate.
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot
rein...@gmail.comjavascript:
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versions of the same module in the
same runtime.
Could anyone point me to any references?
Thanks
Matthew Farwell.
2013/9/10 Reinier Zwitserloot rein...@gmail.com javascript:
This is kind of a shame. My biggest disappointment in scala, phantom,
kotlin, and all the other 'new' languages I
This is kind of a shame. My biggest disappointment in scala, phantom,
kotlin, and all the other 'new' languages I ever looked at, is a complete
lack of acknowledgement that, this day and age, I expect a language to take
the concept of modules and internet-based dependency resolution as a
PGP sounds like a good idea in theory, and it does guarantee that nobody
can read the data 'in bulk', but, if we're talking about most 'poor african
countries', IF this guy is specifically targeted by his government, and
they can somehow read those emails, and all they see is a bunch of
On Friday, July 5, 2013 4:49:33 PM UTC+2, Josh Berry wrote:
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot
rein...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
In short:
* You do need to trust google, but not very much. I would trust them
enough for this specific case.
It is more than
As fabrizio hinted at, its possible to do some fairly crazy things with
client side certs and other weird in-browser settings no user has ever
messed with, but it's there, and if you control both ends of the connection
it's an option.
For all other stuff, there are 3 basic concerns about
you've still lost the security game. But it's better than nothing).
On Friday, May 10, 2013 3:04:42 AM UTC+2, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
As fabrizio hinted at, its possible to do some fairly crazy things with
client side certs and other weird in-browser settings no user has ever
messed
Ah, but tests are testable (the code tests the tests and the tests test the
code; if your tests have a bug in it, they will fail, you will figure out
it's not your code, and thus, your test). Put differently, if your test
becomes 'out of date', you will notice. If a comment becomes 'out of
won't go bad.
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On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot
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wrote:
On the discussion on whether comments are good or bad, I posit:
Code which is eminently understandable based solely on the name of the
method, the code
Yeah, chiming in with the me toos:
That was a great episode, guys!
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:01:39 PM UTC+2, Roger Armstrong wrote:
How very refreshing to hear the Java Posse discussing Java again! There's
plenty of Java programmers out there and there's plenty of material to
discuss,
On the discussion on whether comments are good or bad, I posit:
Code which is eminently understandable based solely on the name of the
method, the code, and the names of variables and parameters is always
better than code which requires comments to be easily understood, and also
better than
The things Ricky said:
* Essentially, the closures are stored in the class file as methods, and
referred to via a new JVM concept, vs. the 'old' way which makes a small
anonymous class, resulting in lots of $1 files in your classpath and issues
with permgen and the like, and slow execution.
If you link to wikipedia pages, do you actually read them?
That wasn't an ad hominem attack. Ad hominem is: His argument is wrong
because he has an ugly face.
On Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:36:38 AM UTC+1, morten hattesen wrote:
Dear Clay, I couldn't help laughing, when I read your post.
This
Comments inline.
On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:57:49 PM UTC+1, morten hattesen wrote:
Reiner,
How would you qualify Clay's posting containing these argument fragments?
- *This is the most childish, baseless attack I've ever read.*
A harsh commentary, but as it is commenting on the tone
I'm looking for the other way around: A java feature (or alternate spec for
a proposed feature) designed by some member of the community - how do you
get that into java? I'm talking about extremely small changes that do not
involve any contentious issues. Simple stuff like: Allow 'Annotation'
I need this block expression very much. Do you
know any one implemented this? Or any further information? I may have to
implement it myself, if not. Thanks very much.
在 2009年2月24日星期二UTC下午8时22分19秒，Reinier Zwitserloot写道：
Via twitter:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddb3zt39_77cgxvktgshl=en
On Monday, October 15, 2012 2:42:11 PM UTC+2, Simon Ochsenreither wrote:
Unfortunately, introducing this kind of concept is exactly the kind of
thing java does NOT do, and languages like Scala DO do: it's not a matter
of superiority, it's a matter of tradeoffs: If this Nothing exists, it
On Monday, October 15, 2012 2:47:55 PM UTC+2, Casper Bang wrote:
Yes, java has no type that represents there is no value that is this
type, not even 'null'. It would be cool if this type existed; a method
that had this as return type cannot actually return, ever. It has to exit
abnormally:
On Monday, October 15, 2012 2:55:49 PM UTC+2, Simon Ochsenreither wrote:
One annoyance in Scala is when it infers a type to be, say, List[Nothing],
which so far has never been what I intended.
While I remember some “interesting” type inference results, List[Nothing]
is a bad example.
On Monday, October 22, 2012 1:25:54 AM UTC+2, Simon Ochsenreither wrote:
that's false; a List[String] can happen to be empty.
List[String] is a supertype of List[Nothing], just like Object. That's
surely not the point I was trying to make.
What point _were_ you making then?
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On Monday, October 8, 2012 1:33:06 AM UTC+2, Simon Ochsenreither wrote:
I think it is an interesting example how some pragmatic and
superficially simpler approach tends to break down and cause complexity in
both the spec and the implementation compared to the academic solution.
Yes, java
The whole conference starts off on the wrong foot - its stated aim is to
find a way to make licensing costs 'reasonable'. That means it won't even
get to discussions on putting an end to the patenting the obvious, or
ending patents for ideas* altogether.
Also, just the big boys? They'll just
My only machine right now is a late 2010 macbook air 11. Yeah, the really
REALLY slow ones. A fresh clean build of lombok takes ~45 seconds on this
thing, and a buddy of mine who bought a new desktop PC with all the frills
can do the same thing in about 8 seconds.
Ouch.
Nevertheless, my
Generics is involved, and generics is not capable of representing variable
arity, so, if the generics say there is a return type there's a return
type.
Void and void have basically zero relation. That's all there is to it,
really. Returning no thing is just as impossible as returning 2
On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:36:49 AM UTC+2, fabrizio.giudici wrote:
On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 05:21:06 +0200, Josh Berry
tae...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Definitely. Java is mostly backward compatible and I feel Java 8 will be
the first exception.
This doesn't make much sense to me,
14:13:03 +0200, Reinier Zwitserloot
rein...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
If I want a bird's eye overview of what a thing does and very VERY
roughly
how the API is structured, I'll look at a tutorial or an example.
... that I suggest to put in the package javadoc. So there's
Actually, while samsung stock is way down, this is fantastic news for
samsung.
* They can easily appeal here; the jury reached a verdict in 3 days. The
jury instruction manual was something like 700 pages, so the judge is going
to accept an appeal in about 5 seconds. The fact that various jury
http://www.neverworkintheory.org/?p=375
Findings:
* It takes longer to write the same thing in scala than in java, but the
difference is not that much.
* The end result is less lines in scala than in java, but the difference is
not that much.
* Programming skill was not a statistically
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot
rein...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Actually, while samsung stock is way down, this is fantastic news for
samsung.
* They can easily appeal here; the jury reached a verdict in 3 days. The
jury instruction manual was something like 700
The fact that microsoft is willing to abandon silverlight so soon does
indeed have a mundane and reasonable explanation: They wanted a horse in
the RIA race 'just incase'.
But this is where it falls down:
They didn't say that. They sold it like it was the greatest thing since
elvis. Which is
If I want a bird's eye overview of what a thing does and very VERY roughly
how the API is structured, I'll look at a tutorial or an example. If I have
to resort to scanning the javadoc that's already a big minus for this
library.
If on the other hand I'm already using it and I'm just trying to
Yes, comments are bad. Of course, leaving a piece of very confusing code
uncommented is worse, in which case you pick the lesser evil of commenting
your tricky hack. But, if you can refactor your hack into code that is so
easy that it warrants no comments, that's best of all.
Javadoc, of
On Monday, July 30, 2012 12:24:13 PM UTC+2, rakesh mailgroups wrote:
As for unit testing, I actually use them to design my code:
now I need my code to do this, so I am going to pass these arguments in
and expect this back
rather than
if i pass this, then I expect that
Subtle but
No, _THIS_ post is a strawman post. You jump from cliche to cliche without
explaining how these cliches are in any way relevant to TCO. What the heck
does the '9 pregnant women can't produce a baby in 1 month' schtick have to
do with TCO? What does 'goto considered harmful' have to do with any
Ricky Clarkson's got this, but I just wanted to chime in with a simple
observation:
If someone rightfully calls out a disadvantage of your language, retorting
with Real programmers test their code, and that would have caught this,
is not going to convince anyone that groovy is a good idea. In
Actually, this flatMap snippet shows exactly why it's a horrible fit for
java. This introduces the concept of flatMap which is a gigantic can of
worms. Yes, people who are used to functional languages find this as
obvious and effortless to read, write, and understand as a java programmer
who
I find it absolutely hilarious that you mention linked lists in the same
breath as the need to work with multicore processors. You realize that
linked lists, by their very nature, are 100% impervious to parallelizing?
At least with array lists you can split em up into blocks and hand off each
Implicit tail recursion (Where it's done anytime it looks like it is
possible, vs. where it is only done if explicitly requested by the
programmer) is not worth it. The actual number of recursive functions out
there today is vanishingly small (though in these kinds of: 'Let's see
what's out
A thousand times this. As important as it is to keep evolving the platform,
it would be a capital mistake to rush features out the door half-baked in a
bid to stem off some sort of mass exodus. That's just not going to happen,
nor would java all of a sudden shove a dagger in C's back and bury
On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:02:53 PM UTC+2, Jan Goyvaerts wrote:
Personally, I dont care any more. I think its too big a job for oracle
anyway...
Jigsaw is not particularly 'big'. Oracle's java budget certainly is big
enough to cover this if they really want to. It's also not just oracle,
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:50:19 PM UTC+2, Carl Jokl wrote:
It is frustrating. Enough of these disappointments and setbacks would make
me tempted to want to work with something else sometimes yet the problem
remains that the alternatives still have issues.
Fast-moving alternatives are
I'm flabbergasted that this entire thread is lamenting the fact that we
aren't getting 'smaller JREs' now for java 8.
Like 95% of the rest of the world of java, my java apps tend to be long
running and tend to be on machines I control, i.e. make the JRE 2GB for all
I care, it just doesn't
as arguments, etc.
So it's your Option[Person] that accepts your method. Not the other way
around.
On 6 July 2012 16:47, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot
reini...@gmail.comwrote:
On Friday, July 6, 2012 1:12:18 PM UTC+2, Dale
On Friday, July 6, 2012 1:12:18 PM UTC+2, Dale Wijnand wrote:
On the fly I can't think of a reason to return a ListOptionT, that's
just ridiculous.
Why is that ridiculous? If I have a method which emits an OptionT, and I
have a list of inputs and I run a map operation, I'll get a
UTC+2, KWright wrote:
On 5 June 2012 11:05, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
On Monday, June 4, 2012 5:09:43 PM UTC+2, KWright wrote:
This now has alarm bells going off in my head. These (as described)
would only make sense if specified at both declaration AND use site,
that's
an awful
On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 1:19:52 PM UTC+2, KWright wrote:
Here's a thought experiment, I have:
public class Foo { ... }
public class Bar extends Foo { ... }
public void doSomething(List? super Bar! xs)
What would be a valid argument to doSomething?
ListBar!
ListBar
ListFoo!
ListFoo
'Going bang' is an option on any one of the 39,207 items. The appropriate
response is for the code that runs the closure that operates on the data to
catch this exception and transport it to the calling frame in a way that
does not imply killing the result of the other 39,206 operations. While
On Monday, June 4, 2012 5:09:43 PM UTC+2, KWright wrote:
This now has alarm bells going off in my head. These (as described) would
only make sense if specified at both declaration AND use site, that's an
awful lot of boilerplate and ceremony to be added! We already tried the
same thing
This. Especially the midas problem tells me that OptionT is not at all a
decent substitute for 'null'.
I personally feel like types need saner defaults, but they still have to be
optional. For example, strings should default to , lists should default
to an immutable empty list, and so on and
For what it's worth, we're adapting Philipp Eichhorn's work on static
import extension methods in java to Project Lombok. The idea is that you
can use an annotation to do extension point imports - i.e. if you have a
class filled with a bunch of static methods whose first parameter is always
No; google did not release android under a GPL2 license; they released it
under a BSD-style license. This is what the fuss is about:
Google took a (supposed) cleanroom implementation, namely, Apache Harmony
which was already licensed BSD-style, tweaked it quite a bit, and released
this, also
http://intelligence.house.gov/bill/cyber-intelligence-sharing-and-protection-act-2011
They're in there. Unfortunately.
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On Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:39:23 PM UTC+2, fabrizio.giudici wrote:
That's why I'm always puzzled when I hear blaming of
western / liberal democratic countries as whether the problem was due to
them: as a matter of a fact, they are the only countries where the problem
is faced
of that episode, there is an interview with a
journalist who wrote an article about the 'iEconomy'. Apple knows
about violations.
Try again,
Rakesh
On 29 March 2012 12:25, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
Replies inline.
The short of it: Rakesh has been hoodwinked by Mike
://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/460/retraction
Rakesh
I would point you to the recent podcast by This American Life where
they had to apologise about the
On 28 March 2012 16:25, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
Conditions in china are pretty bad and 'we
Conditions in china are pretty bad and 'we' (the western world) should
definitely try to do something about it, but blaming western companies for
this is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence.
England, the US, and europe went through this phase too, and we didn't have
Well, there's still module-info.java but the syntax of the contents of this
file aren't actually java. It looks java-ish, with brackets and semicolons
and such, but it's not java, not in the slightest. The 'module' keyword
remains in limbo (it would be a 5th access level; less public than
No, jigsaw continues as planned. There has always been the goal that jigsaw
is simple and flexible enough that OSGi ought to be capable of spitting out
files that are legit modules. What this requires of OSGi is not as of yet
clear. It'll be one of:
* Nothing needed at all; OSGi modules work
The trick is partly a JVM optimization (make boxing/unboxing very
efficient. Basically, find locations where a box op is followed by an unbox
op, and eliminate the both of them. Make sure this works across method
boundaries (i.e. to call a method, my method boxes up a primitive, then the
other
On Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:20:26 PM UTC+1, KWright wrote:
I never really had a big problem with String being final, although the
claims that it was for security reasons seem a bit weak given that strings
are also immutable.
If String wasn't final, it would obviously not be immutable,
Apple claims it wants this FRAND stuff yet it started this fight by asking
for injunctions all over the place.
here, Cedric said it better than I can:
http://beust.com/weblog/2012/02/09/the-only-sure-way-to-lose-is-not-to-play/
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Project Coin is no more. By design. It was a project with a time limit.
There is NO coin for 1.8 (the working title for the hypothetical java8 coin
is Coin - The Flip Side. It has been confirmed as 'will never be' by Joe
Darcy who is responsible for it, because java 1.8 already has a full
::facepalm::
The mind boggles at how idiotic sony's actions are of late. I'm perfectly
willing to entertain the thought that legally speaking mono has better
cards, at least superficially, than anything with the letter J in it
anywhere, but, you don't put your eggs in the basket woven by your
Singletons WITH STATE, that's the anti-pattern. stateless singletons are a
great idea and we have them all over the place.
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On Monday, December 26, 2011 6:21:23 AM UTC+1, Oscar Hsieh wrote:
Come on people, why do we have to turn every single language thread into
Java vs Scala
HIs name is Kevin Wright. I should have ignored him, I apologize.
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Messing with trite stuff of any sort, especially if it HAS to passed off as
magic pixie dust for progress' sake, is bad, because when you're learning
something its very annoying if you can already tell right from the start
you're not even seeing the whole picture.
I'm taking it as axiomatic
On Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:59:31 PM UTC+1, Dick Wall wrote:
REPLs are useless, but something not called a REPL built into eclipse is
super-useful and you use it all the time despite being an experienced java
developer. The only difference seems to be the name. I would posit that I
On Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:51:18 PM UTC+1, Simon Ochsenreither wrote:
Yes, they are a useless addition to a language provided there's already an
advanced debugger, scrapbook tool, etc, available.
Doesn't that pretty much apply to Scala, too? Seems like pretty much
everyone having
This is just not didactically sensible. That's not how you get people
excited. Unexcited people don't learn well.
And, in re: Ricky Clarkson's comment about Python, well, Cedric covered it.
On Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:48:57 AM UTC+1, fabrizio.giudici wrote:
Frankly I think that
This post doesn't even make sense. What in the flying blazes do logging
frameworks have in common with REPLs vs. advanced debuggers? The only thing
I can imagine is that you do not see that debuggers and REPL have rather a
lot in common, but, then, being completely obtuse is something I've
On Thursday, December 22, 2011 5:42:12 PM UTC+1, Dick Wall wrote:
As is often the case Reinier - you seem to have got your enthusiasm making
statements that are far to over general.
Here is the history from my development machine (not one of the ones I use
for Scala training) along with
There's too much competition in this space.
We have java, which clearly put a stake in the ground and has a
gigantinormous community.
There's scala, who was here early enough and has enough 'different' about
it that its become a smaller sattelite sun of the java platform, sucking
away some of
Fantastic. It's the 'duh!' language I ALWAYS name when someone asks me
where they should start.
Java is a _horrible_ 'my first programming language':
* You need to sprinkle a boatload of magic pixie dust over your source
before it works (that would be 'public class X { public static void
It's very hard to give advice in these situations as it's a complex
question and we don't know what you know.
One thing that did strike me though: Your main complaint about option 3 is
that there's a lot of technical debt, bad stacks, unfun development issues.
Why did this happen? Presumably
Pssh, that's overkill. It's much simpler:
foo:
System.out.println(hey!);
{break foo;}
but this isn't a goto. No matter where the label is, 'break X' just means:
keep aborting out of scopes until you hit the same level as the named
label. The above code will NOT print 'hey!' twice. Just once.
I'm a little surprised the discussion has moved to the in my opinion
relative strawman of collections API performance. As Dick said, the golden
rule of performance optimization is to FIRST make sure you're using the
most efficient algorithm possible because that will always outpace whatever
A minute. An hour. A Day. Who cares? The web wasn't designed to time out
like that, and a properly designed site simply won't. At best I'll need to
relogin in first.
Server-stored state is not designed equal. Throwing a bunch of crud into an
HttpSession object, yeah, that's horrible. Don't use
If this is going to turn into a whine about the posse thread, I'll toss in
my 2 cents:
If you guys don't stop whinging about the excellent content, I'll stop
reading your posts. So there. This patent stuff is _in the news_, and
extremely relevant to java.
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I can retort a few of these, but certainly not all of it.
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Yes, but, complaining that F/J (ab)uses com.sun.misc.Unsafe is just stupid,
in my opinion. The whole point of F/J is that _it_ abstracts away the
considerable complexity inherent in aggressively efficient
On Monday, October 17, 2011 7:26:21 AM UTC+2, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
Facebook has completely turned around and not only was the first version of
their API's fairly exhaustive, their latest foray into this domain (called
Open Graph) is extraordinarily deep and promising. It's surprising that
If you want to keep that, you should absolutely stick with the jQuery +
servlets + additive JS model.
Build your site as if javascript didn't exist, then use jQuery to improve on
things. Add event listeners to buttons, which preventDefault and then do the
same thing but nicer, with ajax calls.
I really don't know that much about F#, could anybody shed some light on
this? Scala's hype machine, at least from where I'm standing (and I guess
I'm part of the java community, which remains the undisputing #1, so that's
a large community) is pretty amazing, and yet Scala's languished in the
This area such a political minefield that whatever Eric Smidt says is
probably has no relation at all to what he really thinks. That's the job of
a CEO - tiptoe around political minefields.
He has to show the stockholders that aren't convinced the patent wars are
something that's worth
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/nokia-microsoft-tap-mosaid-to-handle-huge-patent-trove/article2149827/
Basically they've sold their mobile patents to a patent troll (yes, troll,
original definition: It's a company that employs only lawyers and makes no
products of any kind of
I doubt its as malicious as all that. I believe a few of the bigwigs at
apple, I'm guessing Steve Jobs front and center, honestly believe that
Samsung is shooting 'unfairly' close to cloning and they asked their legal
department to find them a stick to beat them over the head with.
This is by the way not the coolest quote of Prior Art ever. This isn't
exactly a patent fight, but this anecdote is patent-related:
An eagle-eyed dutch patent office employee invalidated a patent to raise
boats in harbours using small buoyant plastic balls, because he saw it
before. In his
There's a sweet spot here. Build your usual page-oriented fill-the-template
loads-of-forms model, which you should be using, but then augment that with
javascript. Here and there you're doing some double work, but the key is to
make the form submit stuff as simple as it could possibly be; it
This comment makes no sense to me.
For any given law, some people benefit, some people are set back by it, and
most people aren't directly affected by it. Indirectly, those people
directly affected by it will affect others, i.e. because they decide to
build an innovative product that ends up
On Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:28:02 AM UTC+2, mP wrote:
Its not a far stretch
to suggest IBM could or should sue the entire PC clone market for
copying their desktops. Im not suggesting it should happen but i
find it difficult to differentiate between the two cases.
If IBM wants to
On Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:32:24 AM UTC+2, mP wrote:
I suppose its no surprise that IBM has taken legal action after all
mainframes are a license to print money compared to other businesses.
However what is the difference between IBM v Hercules and Oracle vs
Google. I know different
On Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:57:49 PM UTC+2, rcasto wrote:
No, I think the fact that Wall St is confused says it all. For years they
didn't understand Amazon and kept them under $30. Now they understand what
they are doing and it is almost at $200.
Apple is fluctating about as much as
I'd strongly suggest you go the traditional approach ('form submit style'),
as it's easy, and it fits the internet. As in, the URLs make sense, your
pages are indexable, and it all works (crappily, but it works, and it works
with screenreaders for the blind, phone browsers, etc, etc) anywhere,
Yah, this is obviously a trademark lawsuit. I know the patent system is
nuts, but patenting A system and method for appellation of entertainment
software by utilizing paper synonyms is probably not going to fly... yet. I
checked, and it is indeed a trademark lawsuit. You know, that's the thing
Yup, that's exactly what all that Apple Corps (The beatles' music label) vs.
Apple Computer Inc was all about. They had some trademark scuffle, a lawsuit
was involved, apple signed something along the lines of We won't enter the
music biz, and as long as we don't you haven't a leg to stand on,
On Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:33:53 AM UTC+2, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
So, looking at it like that, they just dropped 12,000 million dollars on a
patent portfolio. Boy. That's hard to comprehend, isn't it?
I know it's only August but I guess I win the 'Most ridiculously quoted out
Interesting news, of course. It's just plain a given that part of the puzzle
here is Motorola Mobile's patent portfolio. That part of it is also good
news for HTC, Samsung, etcetera. But what's next from here? Will google
start manufacturing its own line of phones?
Calin Grecu said this may be
You can't just promise to not sue FOSS and then sue the entire commercial
sector that inevitably springs up around such projects. What did IBM expect
when they made that promise? How'd you feel if IBM sued some independent
seller of support for Apache? Well, I guess you _can_ promise that, but
I'm guessing you don't know how to read memory usage of an app. Any shared
libraries used by any process, including all the memory it uses and all the
shared libraries it brings in, all 'count'. So, the same library shows up
for lots of processes. These days just the core OS library is
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