Alex
Would I be correct in concluding from this that you favor the âBuffalo
Wingsâ school of thought on this? Buffalo Wings is a term that makes no
sense, but everyone knows what it is. (Buffalo Wings are a comestible
consisting of chicken wings with a spicy sauce, which may or may not have
Many thanks to all those who are helping me with the puzzle of the Saxony
lace. I have received some very insightful replies, both privately and
publicly.
Some themes emerge. Bohemia is a confusing concept, geographically and
culturally.
Several people, Jean, and Leonard, tended to identify the
There is a handkerchief located at
http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/215260?sortBy=Relevanceft
=08.180.911offset=0rpp=20pos=1
It says it was made in Saxony, Germany. But it looks like a tape lace of
possibly Eastern European origin. An explanation says it is âChurchâ lace.
It is
Dear Liz,
We got about 28 inches of snow. Since we finally bit the bullet and hired a
snow plow service, we didn't have to worry about the shoveling. Our
responsibility was limited to selecting a fine Bordeaux to enjoy while
binge-watching Vikings. We were dug out yesterday at 3pm and were
I was looking at the sample provided by Nathalie and wondered if it were
Borris Lace, an Irish needlelace that Annette Meldrum wrote a book about.
Maybe she could comment. The book is called The Borris Lace Collection: A
Unique Irish Needlelace.
Devon
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Did anyone else notice that there are 8 color pages in the center of the
IOLI Bulletin making it the most colorful Bulletin yet? Bravo to Katrina
Middleton, our editor.
Devon
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Lorelei asked about the dresses in the Fashion and Virtue exhibit.
The dresses date from the early 20th century. They belonged to the
socialite Rita de Acosta Lydig. She had a strong fondness for lace and was
known
for wearing antique pieces. In fact, her shoe collection, owned by the
Dear Friends,
Susan Hottle has been kind enough to draw attention to the new exhibit
Fashion and Virtue, at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. I think this
is a very interesting exhibit. In the 16th and 17th century printing
evolved in the direction of printing pattern books for
If you are a member of the International Organization of Lace, Inc, the
organization has a lending library and is now sending books to members outside
the US. You could borrow some books to preview and decide whether they are
worth buying.
Details here:
Glad you liked the Gwynne book. I thought that there was a simple time line
in it, but when I looked, instead I found the more complex one about
historical and artistic influences. So, thank you for drawing my attention to
the simple time line. It is certainly a gem.
Devon
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Perhaps one would like something more elaborate, but there is a bit of a
timeline in The Illustrated History of Lace by Judyth L. Gwynne, p. 212-217.
It is called Table Showing the Historical and Artistic Influences on the
Development of Lace and Lace Design over the Centuries. For those who
It is in the Illustrated Dictionary of Lace, by Gwynne, not the
Illustrated History of Lace. Thanks to Adele Shaak for drawing my attention to
this
error.
Devon
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I would check Patricia Wardle's Victorian Lace, and Santina Levey in that
era. Also, look for motifs on the huge triangular shawls that were made to
fit over the hoop skirts. Ribbon designs were very popular as were oval
motifs and ferns. What is the purpose of your inquiry?
Devon
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I was thinking of proposing that a certain museum key their object of the
day to the International Lace Day, ie. make one of our lacemaker
paintings, or even a piece of lace to be object of the day. However, I am not
convinced that June 21st is sufficiently well accepted that a third party
What is the source for this information? I would like to share it, but I
would like to know who established it, and where others could confirm it.
Devon
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This is published on facebook. The idea is to make lace in public.
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I have gone to the website both Sue and Carolina sent, the Museum
Kantfabriek in Horst. Has anyone visited this museum? It looks, from the
website,
as though the emphasis is on machine made lace. There is a video that has
machines working, but also what appears to be some kind of lace day
Blue film is no longer being made. Vendors are offering a gray instead. The
gray contact paper is expensive just as the blue was. But why not switch
to clear matte which is very inexpensive and sold all over instead?
Clear matte contact paper sells for $6.86 for an 18 inch by 9 foot roll
Oops. The piece with the tallies has the 5 nine-pin motifs per scallop.
In a message dated 5/25/2015 2:07:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dmt11h...@aol.com writes:
Am I the only person who sees two different, although similar, pieces of
lace being made in this clip. One of them has
Am I the only person who sees two different, although similar, pieces of
lace being made in this clip. One of them has tallies, and 3 nine-pin edging
things on each head side scallop and is made on a pillow with a strong
strip pattern. The other has 5 nine-pin edging things on each scallop
According to the Devon Lace Teachers website there was a lace called
Colyton Chromatic, a colored lace. There is a photo of Colyton Chromatic on
their website:
http://www.devonlaceteachers.co.uk/devon-laces.html
Wouldn't it be interesting if your ancestors made this unusual lace.
Dear Brian,
Was it Take the Children, The Life of the Lace Girls Working in Honiton and
the East Midlands Districts, from Evidence Given to John Edward White,
M.A. for the 1862 Royal Commission, published by Alan Brown. I had forgotten
about this book. I must reread it!
Your trip sounds
Helene wrote:
I have visited All Hallows Museum in Honiton many years ago, what a
wonderful experience. Don't know if is still available, but I bought
a book 450 Years of Lace with its accompanying CD. Every time I
look at it I remember the enjoyable day I had in Devon.
I agree that the All
Is anyone familiar with lace in the National Museum of Ireland? According
to the website:
This collection consists of Irish and European lace accessories ranging
from the 17th Century to the early 20th Century. The collection of Irish lace
and lace designs is strong from the mid 19th to
I am very interested in visiting the Exeter Museum. I would like to see the
samples of Mrs. Treadwin's work in an effort to understand if there are
pieces in US museums that came from her enterprises. I would also like to
know what else is there.
Has anyone been there recently? Can you fill
Dear Janice,
Although it is not all that close to Zurich (55 minutes by car according to
googlemaps) there is a lace museum in St. Gallen, Switzerland that has
been on my bucket list for some time. It has pieces of hand made lace that
were collected by the Ikle family who produced Schiffli
Dear Janice,
Another place that is in Switzerland, although an hour away from Zurich,
that I would like to visit is the Abegg Stiftung
http://www.abegg-stiftung.ch/e/museum/museum_d.html
It is not clear to me whether they have lace there, however, it is the
place of origin of Apropos Patterns
Dear Meghann,
Having sent you to Laurie's site, I am surprised to see that she didn't
include the Museum of Costume and Lace in Brussels.
http://www.brusselsmuseums.be/en/museum/76-museum-of-costume--lace-museums-
of-the-city-of-brussels
The Kantcentrum in Bruges used to have a display. I am
Dear Meghann
It is my impression that the V A no longer has lace in it. Instead it is
in a study center not centrally located in London. I am unsure what kind of
access there is there.
You mention a lot of countries in your email, but it is unclear how long
you are going to be traveling in
Is there anything to see in Ottery St. Mary for the lace enthusiast? It was
home to a lot of lacemakers, I know.
Devon Thein
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Jane wrote:
I think, if I remember correctly from the talk Brenda referred to, that
the main purpose for the thread being produced is for use in clothing
manufacture, so the colours available at any time are mostly dictated by the
fashion industry. Our use, and that of quilters and machine
After a tremendous amount of input from fellow arachnids, including Jacquie
Tinch who actually pursued the issue with a Madiera representative, it
sounds as though Madiera Cotona 50 is actually the same as Madiera Tanne 50.
If so, then I have a source for replacing threads in my Madiera
What an incredible amount of help this request has generated! I have
learned so much. Thanks to everyone who responded, many of whom responded
privately.
Although I had been pursuing the thread before, I had stepped up my
efforts this week because I am going to a contemporary lace class this
Fellow Spiders,
I have been enjoying my complete set of Madiera Tanne 50 that I bought
many years ago in order to have a huge palette of colors for creative work in
bobbin lace. But unfortunately, some colors are becoming depleted and
Madiera Tanne 50 is no longer being made. I asked
Thanks for all the many good ideas. I was not really thinking that this
would be a grail like search. How amazing! Mind you, I live in a highly
populated area where almost anything is available. On top of that, I live in
an
area that characterized as the Embroidery Capital of the World,
In case anyone else is interested... I heard from a very distinguished
lace teacher and she says the DMC Machine Embroidery thread is superior to the
Madiera that I have, and well worth the search, but it is practically
impossible for her to obtain in England. I was sort of hoping that it
I feel very honored to have been asked to participate in a panel
discussion about Contemporary Lace. It will be moderated by Crystal Gregory
who is
displaying some contemporary lace works in the exhibit Here Whether There. A
ny arachnids in the area are welcome to attend, details below.
I have been asked what a vectorized lace pattern is. I have no idea what
it is. Does anyone know?
Devon
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Hit the send button too fast, sorry.
Devon
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Hi All, This is lovely. In the interest of learning more about lace, for
some reason it looks like chemical lace to me. What do others think?
I agree.
Devon
In a message dated 2/20/2015 9:34:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jvik...@sover.net writes:
Hi All, This is lovely. In the
It is my feeling that it is time to admit that the amount of effort
required to complete this piece of lace and to afix it to an antique tray
cloth
that has waited for 25 years to be trimmed is excessive. Clearly this is
some kind of exercise in sentiment with huge emotional content, not
By the way, I'm quoting correspondence from several lace book authors and
one major book publisher regarding writing a positive review in return for
having their book(s) in the library.
If the book has been given in return for writing a positive review,
shouldn't there be a disclaimer? I
I feel I must correct the impression that there is a Lace Study Center at
the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Dawn has visited the Antonio Ratti Textile
Center. Perhaps Anna (from Sidney) and I could correspond privately about
how to view textiles there if she has something she wants to study.
Since making lace is very time consuming, I would go for the smallest
cloth possible. I recommend a chalice cover on the theory that prior to
coasters, that was one of the smallest things you could trim with lace.
Devon
In cold New Jersey
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Helen writes:
[I've received conflicting answers from 'experts' so I'm now confused.
When you are making the 'buttonhole' stitch from right to left, is it supposed
to look identical to when made from left to right or is it supposed to be
the opposite? ]
It is true, as several have
Maybe you should try changing your password to see if that has any impact.
Devon
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You are right, Ruth. The tip off to when you have actually been hacked is
when you start receiving all the can't deliver mail messages from all the
outdated email addresses in your address book. I have had that happen to
me and changing the password did stop it. But if, as you say, this
Tomorrow night lace enthusiasts in the vicinity of Richmond, VA will have
the opportunity to attend an opening at Wilton House, an historic house
maintained by the Colonial Dames, of the exhibit, Anywhere but Now. The
opening, 6-8, free to the public, will usher in the exhibition which will
I think we were all hopeful that the problem was solved, at least for
Jeri, but alas it was not to be.
One problem that I had with Drew's analysis was that it did not seem
possible that everyone on the Arachne list with an aol or yahoo address had
been
blacklisted. Also, if I am
But, if we are not talking about photocopying the pattern and sending it
to someone, but rather incorporating the made up lace into a holiday
ornament, I see no reason to ask anyone for permission.
Devon
In a message dated 10/29/2014 5:46:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Sorry.
Devon
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I have heard people say that it is thought that Rembrandt's mother was a
lacemaker and as a result his paintings of lace are suitably detailed. Does
anyone have a source identifying Rembrandt's mother as a lacemaker?
Devon
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Dear Ilske,
These things are very hard to track down, as your experience with the
Goethe museum indicates. I don't know that there would even be any point to
asking the Rembrandt house in Amsterdam. I was wondering if perhaps some lace
maker, reading widely with a lace intensive focus
Karen brings up a good topic regarding whether one is a beginner,
intermediate or advanced. A unified understanding of those terms might be a
good
idea in order to avoid people signing up for the wrong class. In NJ there
were a lot of people who thought they were beginners, and did not have
Dear Janice,
I have always wondered whether a copy of the teacher evaluation form is
given to prospective teachers early in the hiring process so that they can
make sure that the format of their class conforms to the expectations on the
form. I just took a class at the convention which
Catherine writes:
Devon, all of your emails come through in my Junk mail too but you have
been
able to receive replies from me in the past in response (Miss Channer's
mat
and with scanned images as attachments). However, I notice that some of
you
emails are lower case and some are upper
Please be patient with me. I am trying to figure out why my mail to arachne
seems to come with capitalized aol. This is being sent from a different portal
to see if it still happens.
Devon
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Dear Pene,
I have just returned from Paris and it is singularly devoid of lace. This
seems counter-intuitive, doesn't it?
There is none on display at the Musee des Arts Decoratifs. The Mode Museum
occupies the same building as the Musee des Arst Decoratifs, but it has
adopted the model of
Dear Janice,
Thanks for being the organizer of an arachne get together. I always look
forward to it.
Has anything been finalized about this? As of June 23, I see we were
looking at Tuesday evening at 6:30? Is that still the plan? I don't want to
make
the mistake of planning something
I am planning a trip to Paris and am wondering if there is any lace on
display. I am investigating the Musee des Arts Decoratifs and the Musee de la
Mode et du Textile. Does anyone know whether there is lace on display at
either of these, or possibly both?
My understanding is that the
I would greatly appreciate it if someone could send me a copy of the Lace Guild
style sheet. While acknowledging that English English and American English are
different, it would be nice to see how other publications have addressed the
problems.
Any other lace style sheets that exist would
Sorry, forgot to trim.
Devon
In a message dated 5/20/2014 8:36:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dmt11h...@aol.com writes:
Frequently, it is the person who has studied the language formally who
understands it better than the native speaker!
Regarding the plural of lace, I have wondered about
Frequently, it is the person who has studied the language formally who
understands it better than the native speaker!
Regarding the plural of lace, I have wondered about that for a long
time. I actually did a slide show entitled The Lace of the Robber Barons. But
noting that the book Antique
I would also like some clarification about Point de Gaze, or point de Gaze
or point de gaze or point de gaze.
Also, is it reticello or reticella?
Devon
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I say it is for the lace writing community to set the usage, and the
Oxford Spelling Dictionary to follow our lead! As soon as we develop our style
sheet we can send them a copy :-)
In a message dated 5/20/2014 11:22:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
elizabeth.p...@tesco.net writes:
When
Hi All, Ilske's note made sense to me - I would never write knittedlace
maker. But I would go for knitted lace maker.
Wouldn't you be a lace knitter, not a knitted lace maker?
Oddly enough, though, it seems as though bobbin lace is never one word,
whereas needlelace sometimes is.
Devon
I for one would like a lace Style Sheet for lacemaking terms.
lace making, lace-making or lacemaking?
lace makers or lacemakers?
needle lace or needlelace?
plural of lace? lace or laces?
needlelace makers? needle lacemakers? needle lace makers?
bobbin lace makers? Bobbin lacemakers?
I am sure
I think it is the same reason why the English drive on the left, while
everyone else drives on the right. But, I don't know what that reason is.
Devon
In a message dated 4/23/2014 4:37:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
alexstillw...@talktalk.net writes:
Hi Arachnids
I have been asked a
_j...@myhawkins.co.uk_ (mailto:j...@myhawkins.co.uk) writes:
England isn't the only country that drives on the left. Japan is another
place, and Malta as well as the US Virgin Islands and there are others.
Where are the footsides of the laces of these countries?
Interestingly, Lyn says
I am not sure that I buy the heel ball theory, because wouldn't that
result in the footside switching every single time the pattern was copied? In
that case, wouldn't every country make lace with footsides on the right and
left interchangeably? I think the fact that they were copying with
Regarding time honored methods for dealing with stains, I was at a Thai
restaurant and the waiter spilled some oily substance on my silk blouse. The
restaurant staff felt terrible and the hostess ran to get some seltzer,
which they applied to the spot, assuring me that all would be well. I
Jacquie wrote:
Unfortunately, if you want to read a book in a different language, you have
to either learn the language, pay for a translation or use an on line
translator, which is something we couldn't do 25 years ago.
Pursuing the concept of on-line translation, what are other people
Lorelei wrote:
But what I could see in the 2nd group is the
tapes changed width beyond what could be accounted for by fancy stitches
inside the tape. And these usually also had motifs that started and ended.
In
other words they were actually part laces (sectional laces) rather than
tape
I do not claim to be a Milanese expert, but in my opinion you see this
adding and tossing out in older pieces such as one of my favorites,
http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/227653?rpp=20pg
=1ao=onft=53.162.2pos=1
In this piece you have a lot of crazy things
As a result of our internet discussion, Nigel Bean has contacted Pat Bury
and provided the following information:
Ruth Bean has been purchased by
Crowood Press, Ltd
Ramsbury,
Marlborough,
Wilts SN8 2HR
Tel 01672 520 320
_www.crowood.com_ (http://www.crowood.com)
The contact is Ken
Interesting question.
In a sense, I think you feel a little violated because it seems that a
design you gave to the magazine appears as though it is being used
commercially. However, as you say, the low price implies that commercial making
of
handmade lace is not really viable.
My theory on
If you haven't discovered LaceNews yet, you have a treat in store.
http://lacenews.net/
Many thanks to Laurie for this incredibly comprehensive site or sites.
Devon
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Here is a question I haven't seen dealt with before. I am experiencing
patches of itchiness, inflammation and irritation on the skin on the inside of
both my thumb joints, but slightly worse on the right hand. I use bulbed
bobbins, often of guatambo, which is palm. My dermatologist seems to
Malvary wrote:
I remember a few years ago, someone mentioning that she was reacting to
the
exotic woods of her bobbins. She had to put them all aside and just use
the
hard temperate woods i.e. oak, maple, fruit woods.
Thanks, Malvary. I think I remember that posting. I have been using
My first teacher advised taking a paper towel, wetting it, wringing it out
and sort of arranging it in a three dimensional shape with lots of
surfaces, under the cover cloth which is held up with pins. This creates sort
of a
vapor chamber that is not air tight and that does not have the
I think that you find animals in lace when they are associated with
religious subjects, for instance you might find one that is a Saint's
attribute.
Or you might see a horse or a donkey in some kind of religious tableau. We
have a St. George and dragon piece at the museum.
Also, hunting
There has been a reply from Pat Bury about the copyright status of the
pricking for Miss Channer's Mat.
She writes:
I do not have the copyright as I was paid for my work by Ruth Bean.
I worked from an actual size photocopy of the mat supplied by Ruth. The or
iginal lace being in the Bedford
The potentials for lace within the Czech Slovak Museum are really vast.
For one thing, all areas of the Austro Hungarian empire seemed to be
engaged in Art Nouveau lace. There was an exhibit about Alphonse Mucha at the
Czech Slovak museum. I wonder if he designed any lace.
Also, the
I know that the Hoover Library in Iowa is the repository for many of the
embroidered flour sacks, presented in gratitude by the women of Belgium.
Does it a actually have any of the lace from the Bobbins of Belgium lace
initiative in it?
I find this entire enterprise to have been
The provision of the aid and the food did happen on your side of the
Atlantic, since it happened in Belgium. What is interesting is that I have
never
heard of any Belgians that were aware of the effort prior to hearing about
it from us :-)
This is really interesting. I had never heard of
Is there any ethnic lace in the Czech Slovak Museum in Cedar Rapids?
Devon
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Dear Lin,
I am looking forward to the Sacramento convention and think that it will be a
great deal of fun. The location, just where our Gold Rush started is very
interesting historically, and that theme will yield very interesting entries
in its contest. I can't wait to get my Bulletin and find
Copyright law is different in the US versus Britain, and I don't know
anything about British copyright law.
Is it the case that Miss Channer went through the formal process of
copyrighting the design of the mat? If so at what date?
Devon
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It is undoubtedly the case that the heirs of Mrs. Channer own copyright to
the photo in the book published in 1928. However, there appear to be some
photo copies of patterns/prickings which are in the hands of Diana Trevor
that do not have Miss Channer's name or mark on them and don't appear
Do we really have any idea who the rights holder is to the original
pattern? Did Miss Channer do the work for hire for a school, in which case
they
or their successors own the copyright. Or did she leave her estate including
copyrights to her children, or other family members, since she is
A small hole in a veil, but a world of trouble for an amateur who might
try to help. In my experience, when I try to do such a mend, the minute I
start to work on such a thing all the surrounding thread disintegrates because
it is very old and cannot withstand much handling. Then you are
Liz writes:
I think that Jean has just told us where to go for information on
copyright of the pricking. If it has been adapted by Pat Bury then the
copyright
will have started for that pricking, with her. She may have sold it to Ruth
Bean, or licensed it to her but this should be, as
Is there any reason to believe that Miss Channer designed the mat? When I
started lace there were several patterns that were associated with my
teacher, but she did not design them. She made and sold the prickings.
In fact, when I started making lace in the 1970s the concept of copyright
I think that the Cecil Higgins Museum is missing a bet when they don't
sell a high def scan of this mat. Where is their initiative?
Is there any evidence that Ruth Bean actually obtained ownership of the
original design when they did the work of pricking and having someone make
the piece?
Interestingly, Crowood Press appears to have reprinted In the Cause of
English Lace in 2012 and they claim
Although published 90 years ago, this book has few modern rivals, and is
reprinted here for the first time within a more extensive work by Anne
Buck.
Dear Pierre,
I don not have the answer to your question, but I have a question for you.
Are you on your way to New York to be at the exhibit of your piece at the
Queer Threads, Crafting Identity and Community exhibit at the Leslie Lohman
Museum, Jan. 17- March 16?
Sherry wrote:
Do you know of a
design that would be just as challenging as Miss Channer's Mat and where is
the pattern. Be descriptive as to its appearance...maybe were we can see it
done up online, who is the designer..
There is a book called Fine Buckinghamshire Point Lace Patterns
I have been searching without success for the Susan Cox lace in the
Bonhams Sale. However, there are a number of pieces with the provenance of the
Ann Collier collection. Ann Collier is a well known to us because of her
books, often about the lace fans she designed.
Devon
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Jeri wrote:
I think this is a job for The Smithsonian, which is paid for by the taxes
paid by everyone (about 1/2 of us being female). They think nothing of
spending billions on a Space museum. Most other museums under them are
focused on a male-dominated society. An exception might be the
Of course the best way to travel to Le Puy is not by train or car, but by
foot with a scallop shell slung around your neck :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_St._James#Medieval_route
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Arlene's question was:
Anything possible to see as a day trip via train/bus that a
not-so-brave traveler who does not speak French could possibly get to?
I am afraid that my true feeling about this is that the answer is no,
especially now that Susan has told us that Lyon is 4 1/2 hours
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