Is the site www-gnats.gnu.org:8080 closed or moved ?

2004-06-22 Thread Hitoshi Endoh
Hello everyone, This is the first time to send a mail to this Mailing listing. I would like to see a bug report which should be located at http://www-gnats.gnu.org:8080/cgi-bin/wwwgnats.pl/full/1738. But I can't see it due to DNS error or not find server. Do anyone know whether that the site has

Re: Change IP addr!

2004-06-22 Thread Daniel Jarboe
Hello I am changing the ip addr of the suse server on s390, in redhat I can change in /etc/sysconfig/network-script.. but... where can i change in suse 8.. ? You change it in /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-eth0 (where eth0 is your interface name). Or for overkill use YaST ~ Daniel

Re: Is the site www-gnats.gnu.org:8080 closed or moved ?

2004-06-22 Thread Joe Poole
I got connection refused which means something answered. Try this: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats/ On Tuesday 22 June 2004 05:50, you wrote: Hello everyone, This is the first time to send a mail to this Mailing listing. I would like to see a bug report which should be located at

Re: VM user manager

2004-06-22 Thread Joe Poole
Check on BMC's product, too. Deployment Manager is another choice, although we use Levanta: http://www.bmc.com/products/proddocview/0,,0_0_0_9542,00.html On Monday 21 June 2004 20:55, you wrote: I know DIRMAINT and Levanta that provide an interface to VM to manage virtual machines. Are there

Re: VM user manager

2004-06-22 Thread Davis, Larry
CA has a whole VM Management suite, and a few of the products are must have. VM Secure for Directory and Access control. VM Spool for looking and Managing Consoles. VM Operator for Automation functions. And other useful products VM Backup, VM Tape, and VM Schedule ... Larry Davis -Original

Re: J2EE performance?

2004-06-22 Thread Barton Robinson
The old school that thinks 80 mips is a lot is used to really well written programs, written in assembler to be efficient in both CPU and storage. The new school that uses Java and C++ has different objectives. An 80 MIP processor is about a 300MHz pentium. This is based on Barton's Number of 4,

Re: J2EE performance?

2004-06-22 Thread Rich Smrcina
Barton, Which new java compilers are you referring to? On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 08:20, Barton Robinson wrote: I've heard the new java compilers are much much better, suited more for meeting mainframe objectives. -- Rich Smrcina illustro Systems International, LLC --- See The

Re: TaoLinux install

2004-06-22 Thread Richard Pinion
I know you're not in the support business but I'll ask anyway. I'm attempting to update my origianl S390 Tao Linux to the latest one. I'm running Tao on a real IBM mainframe in an LPAR, no z/VM. I've tried a couple of different approaches to update my distribution. First, I download the DVD

GLIBC problem : Newbie

2004-06-22 Thread Taraka Srinivas Kumar
Hi all, Am trying to install DB2 client on Linux390 which is 32 bit SLES 8.0 and has GLIBC 2.2. But stuck up with the following error : /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3) I think it is a very common error. But am not able to gather any

Re: VM user manager

2004-06-22 Thread David Boyes
Dirmaint sux... I would do it manually before using dirmaint... Just my 2cents Until you accidentally overlay your boss' 191 disk with another minidiskvoice of experience...8-). Manual minidisk management is a dead-end for production. It's too easy to be off by one and do real harm. The

Expanded storage in VM - can it be used for linux swap?

2004-06-22 Thread James Melin
My understanding of Vdisk is that it is created using 'real' memory that would otherwise be available for VM workload. Our systems person does not want to let me use 'real' memory for a vdisk swap area, and asked me if it was possible to use expanded storage instead. I don't know, since I'm not

Re: J2EE performance?

2004-06-22 Thread David Booher
I may be old school, but there's no substitute for well written programs that are both efficient in CPU and storage and the same goes for the software platform they run on. I even get discouraged at home when you have to buy new hardware to support the bloating of the OS it runs on. What are

Re: J2EE performance?

2004-06-22 Thread Kris Van Hees
Current development tends to follow the following sequence: - Rapid software development - Lesser quality code, with less efficient use of resources - Higher resource demands - Higher minimum requirements for the application Past development tended to create

Expanded storage in VM - can it be used for linux swap?

2004-06-22 Thread Barton Robinson
When you create a vdisk for swap, it does NOT use any storage. Really. The vdisk will acquire storage when Linux is short of storage and needs to swap. When a swap out is performed, CP obtains storage, allocates it to the Vdisk and then the swap operation occurs. Linux might see a 100MB virtual

Re: J2EE performance?

2004-06-22 Thread David Booher
Then, I just have to laugh when I see posts that argue the best ways to clear a register either by an XC or an SR instruction.. Dave -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris Van Hees Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL

Re: J2EE performance?

2004-06-22 Thread Ryan Ware
My opinion is the same as yours. I tend to like efficient programs rather than language du jour for the sake of being fashionable. I've got a lot of friends that are all on the latest bandwagons and can't believe anyone would use a mainframe or the mini computers anymore. I keep telling them

Re: J2EE performance?

2004-06-22 Thread Barton Robinson
We're in full agreement. But with 3GHz intel processors, spending a lot of expensive human time tuning an application hardly seems worth it. If new school uses 3GHz processors, old school uses 300Mhz processors, there's a lot of room for bad programming to be competitive. but at least the z990

Re: Expanded storage in VM - can it be used for linux swap?

2004-06-22 Thread Post, Mark K
James, That's mostly correct. The qualifier is that the storage is only allocated when the guest actual puts something into swap. If it's not referenced thereafter, those pages used for the Vdisk get swapped out by z/VM. Pretty low-cost stuff, in most people's opinion. Take a look at the

Re: GLIBC problem : Newbie

2004-06-22 Thread Post, Mark K
I do not believe that glibc-2.3 is available for SLES8 on any architecture. What I find strange is that libstdc++ is from the gcc C++ compiler. Why would you be installing that along with DB2? What was the exact RPM command you issued to do the install? (Or was that issued by the DB2 installer

Re: [Evms-devel] Re: Adoption of UML Copy-On-Write

2004-06-22 Thread Kevin Corry
On Friday 18 June 2004 6:56 pm, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 04:42:43PM -0700, Brandon Darbro wrote: Huh? EVMS or LVM2 has a method of adding a writable layer to read only dasd? EVMS supports writable snapshots, using copy-on-write from an EVMS volume. I haven't tried it

Re: J2EE performance?

2004-06-22 Thread Daniel Jarboe
- Rapid software development - Lesser quality code, with less efficient use of resources - Higher resource demands - Higher minimum requirements for the application The reason I usually hear: It used to be that your people's resources were inexpensive compared to hardware. When

Performance with Multiple CPUs

2004-06-22 Thread Walter Wojcik
Does anyone have experience running zLinux in an LPAR which has multiple CPUs defined? We have experienced negative performance characteristics with Intel Linux versions (RedHat, SUSSE) when the Intel machine had 4 processors. We were wondering if the same performance degradations appear on the

Re: Performance with Multiple CPUs

2004-06-22 Thread Joseph Temple
I think the answer is that zSeries Linux scales to more than 4 processors. This is obviously workload dependent. Not sure what you mean by negative if you mean that 4 processors get less work done than 3, probably won't see that on zSeries. If you mean that you get less than 4X the

Re: J2EE performance?

2004-06-22 Thread Phil Payne
The old school that thinks 80 mips is a lot is used to really well written programs, written in assembler to be efficient in both CPU and storage. The new school that uses Java and C++ has different objectives. I once wrote a data input and validation system for a 360/25 that processed

Re: J2EE performance?

2004-06-22 Thread Michael Durket
This website is a fun read, and the internal memo from Sun is a good summary of many of the issues that those of us who come from mainframe programming backgrounds of long ago face with Java every day http://www.panix.com/userdirs/jdw/javasucks.html On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:24:34 PDT Barton

Re: Performance with Multiple CPUs

2004-06-22 Thread David Boyes
Does anyone have experience running zLinux in an LPAR which has multiple CPUs defined? We have experienced negative performance characteristics with Intel Linux versions (RedHat, SUSSE) when the Intel machine had 4 processors. We were wondering if the same performance degradations appear

Re: Performance with Multiple CPUs

2004-06-22 Thread Adam Thornton
On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 10:58, Walter Wojcik wrote: Does anyone have experience running zLinux in an LPAR which has multiple CPUs defined? We have experienced negative performance characteristics with Intel Linux versions (RedHat, SUSSE) when the Intel machine had 4 processors. We were

Re: Expanded storage in VM - can it be used for linux swap?

2004-06-22 Thread Michael MacIsaac
When you create a vdisk for swap, it does NOT use any storage. Really. Can you measure this? If you can't ... :)) I was under the impression that creating the VDISKs does take some memory for the data structures, though I'm not sure how much. -Mike MacIsaac, IBM mikemac at us.ibm.com (845)

Re: Expanded storage in VM - can it be used for linux swap?

2004-06-22 Thread David Kreuter
True - a VDEV will be formed which can usually be taken out of the 4k already allocated for the VMDBK. Also segment and page tables required - maybe = 8k David Kreuter From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Michael MacIsaac Sent: Tue 6/22/2004 1:52 PM To: [EMAIL

My Linux stop working for a time and continue working

2004-06-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello. I have a big problem with my Linux s390 with vm, I have running suse 8. The problem is that I have two linux partition, and sometimes linux 1 stop working and few minutes later linux 2 stop working also. The machine feactures are: IBM_s390, with 512 Ram mb and 2gb swat , suse 8. I

Re: My Linux stop working for a time and continue working

2004-06-22 Thread David Kreuter
From the VM side I would issue a few INDICATE QUEUE commands from the MAINT account - looking for users appearing as E3 or E something. Also issue a QUERY SRM STORBUF - if you have machines in the eligible list (E3) you may be able to get out of it by adjusting STORBUF settings - maybe -. When

Re: My Linux stop working for a time and continue working

2004-06-22 Thread Post, Mark K
Shrink your guests virtual storage size down to something reasonable, such as 32-64MB. Then, read these: http://www.vm.ibm.com/perf/tips/linuxper.html http://www.vm.ibm.com/perf/tips/storconf.html Mark Post P.S., Please change your email client so that replies to your mailing list posts go

Re: Performance with Multiple CPUs

2004-06-22 Thread Post, Mark K
Amen. If it can't be kept small, don't put it on a mainframe, because it most likely will be a dog. (See J2EE performance thread for reference.) As Barton likes to say the mainframe and z/VM are good at managing lots of little things. Anything that requires more than 1 CPU is not little.

Re: VM user manager

2004-06-22 Thread Post, Mark K
David, Do you have a URL for this? I'd like to take a look at it. Thanks, Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VM user manager -snip- The Green

Re: My Linux stop working for a time and continue working

2004-06-22 Thread Adam Thornton
On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 12:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have a big problem with my Linux s390 with vm, I have running suse 8. The problem is that I have two linux partition, and sometimes linux 1 stop working and few minutes later linux 2 stop working also. How much real memory do

Re: VM user manager

2004-06-22 Thread David Boyes
Do you have a URL for this? I'd like to take a look at it. My apologies -- slight brain fault on the name of the company. The real name is AdminUX, previously called Green Light Advantage. URL: www.adminux.com. -- For

Re: TaoLinux install

2004-06-22 Thread Adam Thornton
On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 08:36, Richard Pinion wrote: Do you have any words of wisdom? Either the RPM archives are corrupt, or the ISO is not handling filename mapping for long file names correctly. If Tao supplies a list of md5sums for its included files, you can check out the first possibility

Re: Performance with Multiple CPUs

2004-06-22 Thread Joe Poole
On Tuesday 22 June 2004 14:19, Mark Post wrote: Anything that requires more than 1 CPU is not little. Granted, but it could be mighty important to the business! -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Performance with Multiple CPUs

2004-06-22 Thread Post, Mark K
Of course it could, but if you're looking to move it from Intel to the mainframe, it might be better for the business to leave it right where it's at. I can set up a pretty beefy HA failover on 4-way Intel boxes for a lot less money than that same application would chew up on S/390 hardware. I

Re: VM user manager

2004-06-22 Thread Post, Mark K
Ah, that I've already looked at. AdminUX is a nice set of tools, geared mostly towards system administration of many systems, as opposed to cloning or software management. (Unless the product has changed a lot since I looked at it.) All written in bash scripts, too, which makes it nicely

Re: Expanded storage in VM - can it be used for linux swap?

2004-06-22 Thread Rob van der Heij
Barton Robinson wrote: This the optimal way of using expanded storage, and optimal for ensuring that when Linux is short of storage, it's performance does not suffer. What I like even better for some configurations is to use an EW shared segment for swapping. Like VDISK it does not cost much until

Re: TaoLinux install

2004-06-22 Thread Pasi Pirhonen
Hi, On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 01:37:46PM -0500, Adam Thornton wrote: On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 08:36, Richard Pinion wrote: Do you have any words of wisdom? I don't know what could cause corruption on this issue. I have updated (via http/ftp tho) several times the Tao/s390 on real iron too w/o any

Re: GLIBC problem : Newbie

2004-06-22 Thread Taraka Srinivas Kumar
Hi, Yes. I am doing the installation using installer script. I have tried to install compat package long time back, but it gave me GLIBC_2.3 required problem. Fact is that i didn't uninstall/delete these libraries at that time. So this particular compat package is in dependency inconsistency