Re: old pictures

2001-06-03 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: just looking at some old pictures of london.pm meetings and YAPC::Europe and i came across the classic, London.pm drinking in a hair dressing salon, http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0036.JPG Toilet seats don't make

I'm orff

2001-06-03 Thread Aaron Trevena
as some of you might already know I'm orff to the west country. I plan to move to bradford-on-avon this week. so i'll unsub for a couple of weeks and see you next time i come back. thanks for all the good times and stuff, A. -- A HREF = http://termisoc.org/~betty; Betty @ termisoc.org /A As

Re: bad greg

2001-05-31 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Chris Ball wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:27:19AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain name registry with a neat web based management

Re: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)

2001-05-31 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Leo Lapworth wrote: You might want to check out: Arron's Autodia - http://autodia.cuckoo.org/ It's not quite at the stage I think you are after but I've lost track of what it can and can't do. Last I heard they were putting it up to be an candidate in the elections

Python beats perl to dia plugin..

2001-05-16 Thread Aaron Trevena
*grump* There is a python plugin to Gnome Dia allowing you to write scripts for dia. I don't know if it is like GIMPS scripting or more of a macro type thing but its a little disapointing there isn't a perl one. Dia 0.88 has an experiemental pyhton plugin capability. I would be interested in

Re: re-release of autodial

2001-04-16 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 02:03:59PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: Q: Why is AutoDIAL so rubbish. A: Because Trelane told me to 'just release it' although blame is automatically deferred to Muttley because everything is his fault. HEY!

re-release of autodial

2001-04-12 Thread Aaron Trevena
the new version of autodial - codenamed DiaKiller, is available at http://droogs.org/autodial/ it no longer kills dia, in fact it works quite well with a few caveats - it is much easier to test with Dia, rather than parsing the xml in my head. :) A. -- A HREF =

Re: Disclaimer

2001-04-10 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: A lot of you write and distribute free perl code. What do you do about copyright and disclaimers in the code itself. I've had a look at a few examples and it seems you don't really bother. I think it is probably worth doing, and we will need one for

Dia diagrams from your perl!

2001-04-10 Thread Aaron Trevena
I have uploaded AutoDIAL to my site where it can now be downloaed. It creates UML class diagrams showing relationshiops, methods, attributes, etc for a bunch of scripts/modules and lays them out ready for autodial to use, although I think the relationship line plotting is a little broken. It

Re: Dia diagrams from your perl!

2001-04-10 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: and it can be found at http://droogs.org/autodial/ The download link is b0rked though fixed A. -- A HREF = "http://termisoc.org/~betty" Betty @ termisoc.org /A "As a youngster

RE: Disclaimer

2001-04-10 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote: [broken quoting snipped] You want the GPL for that. Which means that you can't use my copyright message as it includes the Artisitc License - which doesn't disallow your point 2. The GPL

pix of legend?

2001-04-01 Thread Aaron Trevena
do we still have the pictures from the night of award winning drunkeness? I'sd d certainly be interested at having another look. Also the website has a few gaps picture wise.. did nobody bring a camera on that many times? btw the trophy cabinet will get done once I have a job again. A. --

Re: from ntk

2001-03-30 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, James Powell wrote: RANDAL SCHWARTZ slams London.pm's "Perl is my bitch" T-Shirt - odd, considering: http://www.stonehenge.com/perl/amihooternot/ ... thats a bit slow for ntk or is squackers lagging behind (void) where all the action happened yonks ago. A. -- A HREF

Re: from ntk

2001-03-30 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: Aaron Trevena sent the following bits through the ether: thats a bit slow for ntk Indeed. Thankfully I've removed all pimb talk from my mail archives. Ten months is pretty slow for meme transfer. I declare NTK too slow and hence dead. What's

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-29 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:07 +0100, Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk proposes the creation of a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, alex wrote: easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl consultancies. once you get to a particular

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a solution for things it clearly isn't right for. out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell. I just couldn't do half of what I

Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19

2001-03-23 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, James Powell wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 07:45:54PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: And finally, it appears that Schwern, Michael is an Alien Drag Queen: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03105.html http://us.imdb.com/Title?0103645

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-20 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:25PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:38:09PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Then they deserve to be hurt. Really. We can't possibly support dribbling idiots, and frankly, I have no wish to

Re: wasn't someone looking for some diagramming - SQL stuff recently?

2001-03-18 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, James Powell wrote: http://freshmeat.net/projects/dia2sql/ I was looking for some tools to create diagrams with but Ooooh! Anyhow, now all we need is a GraphViz to dia tool ;-). Which reminds me, how's things going with your

Re: Strange Request

2001-03-13 Thread Aaron Trevena
### warning - creature feep ### On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: this question defines the archive of scripts a little. is the collection of scripts specifically aimed at the lowest commond denominator and tackling the MW problem directly, or is that just its core mission

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

2001-03-12 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:24:10 -, "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.oreillynet.com/ DJ Adams, yet another famous London Perl Monger! With a photo as well no less. Not just _any_ photo, but one of him drinking beer at a

Re: DJ jabbers on the O'Reilly Network

2001-03-12 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Dean wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:39:43AM +, Aaron Trevena wrote: suggestion for website: How about a page of our acheivments? ie CPAN modules, Books, credits, talks and drinking feats? If you were going to do this shouldn't they just go under

Re: Graphical Documentation

2001-03-06 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote: 1. Thingys showing SQL tables. Have a look at http://www.codewerk.com. On the projects page, download GraphViz::DBI and dbigraph.pl. See the sample database table graph linked from that page. I'm

Re: good job there weren't any base belongs to us t-shirts printed

2001-03-01 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, James Powell wrote: Might have ended up like the last programme here (not for the easily offended) http://www.tvgohome.com/ cafepress have some aybabtu tees. There is a nice page of reworked cartoons and images with aybabtu worked in. Also totl.net has an aybabtu

Re: Amazon (was: RE: DMP Availability)

2001-02-22 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote: Since I gave up Amazon, I've found myself going into bookshops more. Browsing in a bookshop is still _by far_ the best way to buy books. AOL And I end up buying more books. Because for each book that I got into the shop looking for, I find

Alternative to bad perl resources

2001-02-19 Thread Aaron Trevena
Following the general feelings of the professional perl mongers on the list towards certain authors and script archives, I thought the perl mongers could build their own script recipebook on the net and provide secure but clear and simple and well explained example and instant cgi scripts as an

Re: Alternative to bad perl resources

2001-02-19 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: the best way to get this started, is simply to do it and then others will lend in their support, just put up a webpage with the first few candidates and let others comment That would make the large assumption that my perl is a good example. I hope

Re: Alternative to bad perl resources

2001-02-19 Thread Aaron Trevena
On 19 Feb 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That would make the large assumption that my perl is a good example. I hope that DragonForum (soon to be released, watch this space) will make a good alternative to wwwthreads and ubbs, but although it is now

Re: Alternative to bad perl resources

2001-02-19 Thread Aaron Trevena
On 19 Feb 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is indeed, but this tends to require a fair amount of rewriting or be a horrible horrible kludge. Hmmm...there was one subroutine that did all the sandwich things...oh, no two. printHeader

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-02 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Greg Cope wrote: Aaron Trevena wrote: On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: No, there wasn't even something I could buy for it sadly. It's a simple CGI, I would have paid $15 for a quickie 'here's your simple cgi just plug in your variables here' code

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-02 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:21:57AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: :) I think you are missing my point here. The plumber who is skilled in a trade probably thinks you are an idiot when you manage to mangle your own pipes and have to call him

Re: Bad programming considered harmless

2001-02-02 Thread Aaron Trevena
There is nothing wrong with bad programming. Sure, don't pay for it, sure don't use it for anything important or anything that will affect other people's lives. But lots of people get satisfaction and reward from making bad programs, just like they get satisfaction from singing badly in the

Re: Perl Books

2001-02-01 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: No, there wasn't even something I could buy for it sadly. It's a simple CGI, I would have paid $15 for a quickie 'here's your simple cgi just plug in your variables here' code. Been there - more often than not, the cookbook fills any holes. I

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: (update on the OScon in Europe thing--London in August seems to be a bad idea, so we're looking elsewhere and elsewhen ...) In case anybody is interested the Devon Cornwall LUG will be helping organise a S/West UK OSS Conference for local

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena
On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: I know some people here had some experience with wwwthreads, but are there any alternatives? No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. With a little work wmforum is quite nice (easy enough to understand and therefore make more modular and

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena
On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No, I'm not going to code a forum package by

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena
On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was in the process of converting it to TT when i lost a load of my work at oven (forgot to follwo symlinks when I tar gzipped home). Don't you hate it when that happens? I've managed to hack

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-20 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: As for working at home, i believe the optimal week is mon,tue in the office, wednesday at home, thu,fri in the office. YMMV however - if you were building a company their are other concerns beyond productivity, the establishment of a

Re: Extreme Programming (was: Re: Consultancy company)

2001-01-20 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Dean S Wilson wrote: How did you establish who would make good pairings? Was it done by trying to place two equals or was it done more on a mentoring level of a very experienced coder and a less experienced one? (I've not read that much on XP) We both were fairly

Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 18 Jan 2001 10:09:04 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And on the same lines...what with all these perlmongers on the market right now, just bloody band together and start a consultancy. Sounds good to me. Anyone else up for it?

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Aaron Trevena
On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. I thought it was about 'chasing

Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 04:25:26PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote: ingestion has several downsides - lack of control of dosage (assuming you eat it at a significant lump at a time), longer effects, stronger effects (making it hard to get dosage

Re: Speaking Japanese (Re: Access Control Lists and Functions)

2001-01-16 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: Dave Cross wrote: The language spoken by the droogs in 'A Clockwork Orange'. Isn't it a pidgin mix of Russian and English? It is a mix of schoolboy slang (from soem school that Burgess went to, cos I sure didn't speak like that at school,

Re: Kung Foo and PIMB

2001-01-14 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: On the back use Wutan::Style; This reminds me of the conversation Case, norm I had after crouching tiger.. we came to the conclusion that "no, neo, you **don't** know kung fu.". A. -- A HREF = "http://termisoc.org/~betty" Betty @ termisoc.org /A

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Aaron Trevena
Following the interest in rope/pope, etc perhaps it would be an idea for some of the more perl / oss oriented companies in london (or wherever) to agree to take part in the project on a semi official basis - much of what the work that the london and UK companies do is replicated because of lack

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: what about the actual mechanics of putting rope together? i'm assuming we'd create a /usr/local/Rope, build the latest stable perl in there, then configure apache for mod_perl etc and install it under there as well, the the other modules. A

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 08:28:25PM +, David Cantrell wrote: lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ | sh that would rock. also what would be very valuable would be the ability to install from one config for a cluster or synchronise config changes

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-03 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: Simon [who *lives* fro the 12 minute freebie of the Adult Channel at midnight] Ah - Myself and a housemate once lived the 'free porn' episode of friends - when we flicked thru he chennels and there was porn at 1am, I think we got bored about 1:30am and

irc again

2001-01-03 Thread Aaron Trevena
erm.. whats the irc channel for london.pm again. I spose I'll have to download bitchx as well now. A. -- A HREF = "http://termisoc.org/~betty" Betty @ termisoc.org /A "As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later

Re: new years eve

2001-01-02 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, David Cantrell wrote: DAV-U-CRO wrote: Twas me. But a) I'm already doing stuff tonight and b) as you point out, I couldn't organise it at such sort notice. Yeah, and now that Greg's had to pull out as well it looks like it won't happen. But let's sort out a date