Re: Technical Meeting - 21st June

[Redvers Davies]

> Oh... er... it's only three days to the technical meeting and so far I don't
> seem to have any talks for it.

Err, I have to produce 3 hours of material so I don't think that the
technical meeting would be the right place for it.  Apart from that it
isn't finished yet.  If there is another technical meeting before YAPC::Europe
I will do 30 mins worth of material or 3 hours abridged (sort of like
campbels condensed soup).

Its been a few years since I did this kinda thing so I will be in need of
constructive critisism.

Red

Re: Technical Meeting - 21st June

[Piers Cawley]

Leo Lapworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:15:32PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> > Oh... er... it's only three days to the technical meeting and so far I don't
> > seem to have any talks for it.
> 
> Thursday.. what, this thursday where does the time go.
> 
> Assuming I can make it (have to check something), I'll give a little
> update on the new web site.

Bugger. I definitely can't make it.

-- 
Piers Cawley
www.iterative-software.com

Re: Technical Meeting - 21st June

[Leo Lapworth]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:15:32PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> Oh... er... it's only three days to the technical meeting and so far I don't
> seem to have any talks for it.

Thursday.. what, this thursday where does the time go.

Assuming I can make it (have to check something), I'll give a little
update on the new web site.

If you are really desperate I can talk through my
XML -> DB schema and docs thingy, but it's not ready
for release so only if people are interested.

- Both short talks.

Leo 

Technical Meeting - 21st June

[Dave Cross]

Oh... er... it's only three days to the technical meeting and so far I don't
seem to have any talks for it.

I'll write my "Perl for the People" talk tonight and give that, and I think 
that Robin wanted to do something.

There must be others out there who want to practice talks that they'll be
giving at TPC or YAPC::E. Please let me know.

Dave...

-- 

  Don't dream it... be it

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[David Cantrell]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 05:18:43PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> Dominic Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> 
> > > It's a TRAP!
> > 
> > You been playing wy too much nethack recently.
> 
> That was a tough level with comfy sofa and the drinks cabinet.

Even tougher - there's ethernet to the sofa too.

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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Peter Haworth]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:26:08 +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:10:01PM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:14:41 +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > Well, er..., there will be a meeting on the 21st. I spoke to Alex last 
> > > night and he said we could hold it at State 51.
> > 
> > Sadly, I can't make it to the meeting after all, even though I'll be in
> > London the next day.
> 
> If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
> I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
> passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
> comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.

Well, it was partly due to having nowhere to stay, but I've requested the train ticket 
now, so it's too late to change my mind. Thanks for the offer, though.

> > -- 
> > Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "I just looked at the HTTP 1.1 spec (RFC 2616).  It's too fscking big.
> >  It's a Request For Comments, goddamnit,
> >  not a Request For An Epic Of Homeric Proportions!"
> > -- David Cantrell
> 
> /me feels weird

Most of the regular posters on this list (and the others I frequent) are in my sig 
file somewhere. Look, here's another one:

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 "good" answer we can possibly give them is? "Because Ed said so".'
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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Dave Hodgkinson]

Dominic Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

> > It's a TRAP!
> 
> You been playing wy too much nethack recently.

That was a tough level with comfy sofa and the drinks cabinet.


-- 
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Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Nicholas Clark]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:40:44PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> > David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
> > > I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
> > > passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
> > > comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.
> > 
> > It's a TRAP!
> 
> Curses!  That was my cunning plan to acquire more victims for the Sun god,
> why'd you have to go and spoil it?  I need a sacrifice to get this VT320
> working.

I think I can see where you're going wrong. It's the DEC god you should be
making your sacrifices to. The Sun god will only help for Sparc 1s, 4/110s
etc

Nicholas Clark

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[David Cantrell]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
> > I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
> > passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
> > comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.
> 
> It's a TRAP!

Curses!  That was my cunning plan to acquire more victims for the Sun god,
why'd you have to go and spoil it?  I need a sacrifice to get this VT320
working.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

  Good advice is always certain to be ignored,
  but that's no reason not to give it-- Agatha Christie

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Dominic Mitchell]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:28:14PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
> > I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
> > passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
> > comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.
> 
> It's a TRAP!

You been playing wy too much nethack recently.

-Dom

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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Dave Hodgkinson]

David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
> I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
> passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
> comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.

It's a TRAP!

-- 
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Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[David Cantrell]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:10:01PM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:14:41 +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> 
> > Well, er..., there will be a meeting on the 21st. I spoke to Alex last 
> > night and he said we could hold it at State 51.
> 
> Sadly, I can't make it to the meeting after all, even though I'll be in London the 
>next day.

If this is because you don't have somewhere to stay on the Thursday night,
I'm sure we can collectively find a way around that.  If you bring your
passport, we'll even let you south of the river and my sofa is very
comfortable and has a well-stocked booze cabinet next to it.

> -- 
>   Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "I just looked at the HTTP 1.1 spec (RFC 2616).  It's too fscking big.
>  It's a Request For Comments, goddamnit,
>  not a Request For An Epic Of Homeric Proportions!"
>   -- David Cantrell

/me feels weird

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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Peter Haworth]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:14:41 +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:34:28PM +0100, Peter Haworth
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Can someone please remind me about the technical meeting on the 21st? Now 
> > that it looks like I might be in London at the time, I find I've deleted 
> > all the relevant messages and can't remember if there's an archive.
> 
> Well, er..., there will be a meeting on the 21st. I spoke to Alex last 
> night and he said we could hold it at State 51.

Sadly, I can't make it to the meeting after all, even though I'll be in London the 
next day.

-- 
Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I just looked at the HTTP 1.1 spec (RFC 2616).  It's too fscking big.
 It's a Request For Comments, goddamnit,
 not a Request For An Epic Of Homeric Proportions!"
-- David Cantrell

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Philip Newton]

Leon Brocard wrote:
> Registration might happen pretty soon too.

Ooh, goody. People at work (who fortunately will be paying for me to go to
yapc::Europe again this year) have said they'll want to start to get down
details. Probably better to book hotel, travel, etc. *after* I register for
the conference, or I might end up travelling to AMS for nothing.

Cheers,
Philip
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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> * Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Redvers Davies sent the following bits through the ether:
> >
> > > I'll be there...  btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps
> > > about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the
> > > list will be published. [1]
> >
> > Speakers will be told Real Soon Now. Registration might happen pretty
> > soon too. Speakers don't need to register.
> >
>
> maybe you'd like to make the point that those who can spare 40 quid
> or whatever and are speakers can still register to help balance
> the books
>
>

Wierdly I just heard this morning that my proposal has been accepted -
Crazee Fools :)

/J\

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Greg McCarroll]

* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Redvers Davies sent the following bits through the ether:
> 
> > I'll be there...  btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps
> > about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the
> > list will be published. [1]
> 
> Speakers will be told Real Soon Now. Registration might happen pretty
> soon too. Speakers don't need to register.
> 

maybe you'd like to make the point that those who can spare 40 quid
or whatever and are speakers can still register to help balance
the books

-- 
Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Leon Brocard]

Redvers Davies sent the following bits through the ether:

> I'll be there...  btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps
> about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the
> list will be published. [1]

Speakers will be told Real Soon Now. Registration might happen pretty
soon too. Speakers don't need to register.

Leon

[1] no, I have no idea why you missed the footnote either
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Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/

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Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Nicholas Clark]

On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 07:23:32AM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
> I'll be there...  btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps
> about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the
> list will be published. [1]

I had an e-mail from Ann Barcomb yesterday saying that my lightning talk
had been accepted. I don't know anything further

Nicholas Clark

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Redvers Davies]

> We'll start at about 7pm and people will be practiving TPC and YAPC::E 
> talks.

I'll be there...  btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps
about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the
list will be published. [1]

Red

Re: Upcoming technical meeting

[Dave Cross]

On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:34:28PM +0100, Peter Haworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Can someone please remind me about the technical meeting on the 21st? Now 
> that it looks like I might be in London at the time, I find I've deleted 
> all the relevant messages and can't remember if there's an archive.

Well, er..., there will be a meeting on the 21st. I spoke to Alex last 
night and he said we could hold it at State 51.

We'll start at about 7pm and people will be practiving TPC and YAPC::E 
talks.

Thanks about it for planning so far!

Dave...

Upcoming technical meeting

[Peter Haworth]

Can someone please remind me about the technical meeting on the 21st? Now that it 
looks like I might be in London at the time, I find I've deleted all the relevant 
messages and can't remember if there's an archive.

-- 
Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... You're in a maze of twisty little Java VMs, all different

Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Struan Donald]

* at 17/04 14:09 +0100 Mark Fowler said:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote:
> > surely there should be a better way than this? after all the
> > combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something
> > that does :
> > 
> > #!/bin/sh
> > 
> > if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then
> > exec './bin_perl.pl'
> > fi
> > 
> > or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible
> > on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of
> > files that the person installing needs to worry about.
> 
> I don't particularly see the number of scripts this person is installing
> as a problem.  The key concept is that these scripts are designed so that
> someone who knows *nothing* about their system can basically upload them
> all then see which one works.  Once they've got this script working the
> script should contain instructions on how to modify any of the
> other scripts to work with their server.

it's not so much the number of scripts as the "try each of these
scripts till one works" situation i think we should be trying to
minimise. 
 
> I don't think what you're suggesting will work at all on windows.  Or pure
> mod_perl...

true. although the number of people using mod_perl who'll be using
these is debatable. windows is a problem though.

> Feel free to disagree, I'm just suggesting ideas here.  Honestly, I'm not
> sure what's the best way...

heck, anything that helps is better than the "your isp will know"
school of help.

struan

Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Mark Fowler]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote:
> * at 17/04 14:00 +0200 Philip Newton said:
> > Mark Fowler wrote:
> > >  3) Write a set of scripts that are all basically the same but have
> > > different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the
> > with a bunch of different extensions such as .pl .plx .cgi for
> > combinations of "operating system" + web server that map scripts to
> > interpreters by extension and/or directory rather than by shebang line...
> surely there should be a better way than this? after all the
> combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something
> that does :
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then
> exec './bin_perl.pl'
> fi
> 
> or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible
> on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of
> files that the person installing needs to worry about.

I don't particularly see the number of scripts this person is installing
as a problem.  The key concept is that these scripts are designed so that
someone who knows *nothing* about their system can basically upload them
all then see which one works.  Once they've got this script working the
script should contain instructions on how to modify any of the
other scripts to work with their server.

I don't think what you're suggesting will work at all on windows.  Or pure
mod_perl...

Feel free to disagree, I'm just suggesting ideas here.  Honestly, I'm not
sure what's the best way...

Later.

Mark.

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Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Struan Donald]

* at 17/04 14:00 +0200 Philip Newton said:
> Mark Fowler wrote:
> >  3) Write a set of scripts
> 
> ...with a bunch of different extensions such as .pl .plx .cgi for
> combinations of "operating system" + web server that map scripts to
> interpreters by extension and/or directory rather than by shebang line...
> 
> >that are all basically the same but have
> > different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the
> > information that you might need to know about the server. 
> > For example what version of perl you're running, what the current
> > working directory is, what the permissions on the directories 
> > are, etc, etc.

surely there should be a better way than this? after all the
combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something
that does :

#!/bin/sh

if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then
exec './bin_perl.pl'
fi

or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible
on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of
files that the person installing needs to worry about.

struan

Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Philip Newton]

Mark Fowler wrote:
>  3) Write a set of scripts

...with a bunch of different extensions such as .pl .plx .cgi for
combinations of "operating system" + web server that map scripts to
interpreters by extension and/or directory rather than by shebang line...

>that are all basically the same but have
> different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the
> information that you might need to know about the server. 
> For example what version of perl you're running, what the current
> working directory is, what the permissions on the directories 
> are, etc, etc.

Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

RE: Technical Meeting Agenda

[dcross - David Cross]

From: Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:20 AM

> On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 10:15:13AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> 
> > Committee Reports:
> > Canel Visitation Committee
> ^
> 
> God we're going down market... ;)

You didn't think I'd actually have anything to report on the _camel_ visit
did you :)

Dave...


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Re: Technical Meeting Agenda

[Dean]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 10:15:13AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:

> Committee Reports:
> Canel Visitation Committee
^

God we're going down market... ;)

Dean
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Technical Meeting Agenda

[dcross - David Cross]

Here's the agenda(!) for the technical meeting on 19th April (a week today)
at State 51.

Committee Reports:
T-Shirt Committee
Server Committee
Canel Visitation Committee

Lightning Talks:
Not Matt's Scripts/TT Views - Mark
Why Perl Advocacy is Bad - Dave

Talks:
"101 fun things to do with Tangram" - Jo
"parsing and semantic transformation of Perl code" - Robin
Music - Alex

Still room for one or two more lightning talks - it might be nice if someone
who hasn't already spoken was to have a go. Lightning talks are a gentle way
to get into speaking at meetings. Have you done something interesting in
Perl that you'd like to tell us about? Let me know.

Cheers,

Dave...

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Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[jo walsh]

>  4) Install Apache::Template, Bundle-XML, Template Toolkit 2.02 on penderel
> I think this has already been mostly done, but I could be wrong.

after much grappling with CPAN shell trying to upgrade us to 5.6.1,
this is all done now, though a couple of newer versions of XML modules -
not the crucial ones - failed tests, i didn't want to force. let me know
if there's anything you want or need missing,

jo

Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Mark Fowler]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote:
  
> > I'll also be able to give a quick status update on the website for NMS
> > (probably at the same time as I'll be using it as my example)
> 
> what is the status of the NMS thing. i'm liable to have some spare time
> over the weekend so if there's anything that needs doing on this i could
> have a bash.

Just to preempt all I was going to say next technical meeting ;-)

Website is going fairly well, if not slowly.  The backend bits for
churning out the HTML are nearly done (or will be nearly done by the time
the technical meeting.)  I'm trying to get it so that we only have a
few core files to maintain (perhaps only one or two a script) and
that everything else is automagic. 

For the design itself: Celia did some rough plans for how the site should
function (with justifications) and I've been playing around with these and
trying to implement them.  I'm not going to make it very pretty, but I
will make it so that it's easy to prettify it at a later date altering
the templates behind it.

Here a list of things that could do with being done if anyone's got some
spare time:

 1) Come up with a name.  Something that isn't Not Matt's Scripts.

 2) Come up with a logo that will go at the top of the page.  Currently
we're trying for a vaguely corporate look to the whole thing.  I was 
thinking something like a Bodoni version of the name (but not that 
because that's been done to death)

 3) Write a set of scripts that are all basically the same but have
different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the
information that you might need to know about the server.  For example
what version of perl you're running, what the current working
directory is, what the permissions on the directories are, etc, etc.
 
 4) Install Apache::Template, Bundle-XML, Template Toolkit 2.02 on penderel 
I think this has already been mostly done, but I could be wrong.

 5) Write some step by step instructions for installing this stuff on
Windows because I have no idea how to do this.  Simon B, you agreed to
do this right?

 6) Stop inviting me to the pub when I should be doing work.

Later.

Mark.

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NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)

[Struan Donald]

* at 11/04 08:28 +0100 Mark Fowler said:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>
 

 
> I'll also be able to give a quick status update on the website for NMS
> (probably at the same time as I'll be using it as my example)

what is the status of the NMS thing. i'm liable to have some spare time
over the weekend so if there's anything that needs doing on this i could
have a bash.

struan

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Mark Fowler]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:

> As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
> longer talks.

I could do a lightening talk on playing around with skinning stuff with
Template Toolkit's brand spanking new VIEW directive.  This would be very
quick as we've seen Andy do this kind of thing before in the pre-release
version.  I'd be skinning XML again in my example, but this time I'd be
using XML::XPath...

I'll also be able to give a quick status update on the website for NMS
(probably at the same time as I'll be using it as my example)

Later.

Mark.

(Who thinks this is almost a show 'n' tell situation)

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RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Paul Mison]

On 10/04/2001 at 10:55 +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.
>
>There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of
>them :)
>
>Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone?

Yes, but I'm keeping them hidden for the grand unveiling. Of course, if
anyone else stumbles across the location and/or IRC logs and feels like
posting them, I can hardly stop them, but maybe we should use the fact
people have forgotten to build up a sense of mystique?

Neil mentioned the colours- I'm just about to trawl my archive and send
them directly to Simon (as I've been doing for bits and bats all
morning... no need to make the list far too busy).

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Richard Clamp]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:31:11PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> At 22:10 09/04/2001, Neil Ford wrote:
> >On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > >
> > > If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical 
> > meeting
> > > on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
> > > 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
> > > soon.
> > >
> >Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this
> >which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-(
> >
> >If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than
> >welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was.
> 
> Neil,
> 
> Thanks for warning me.
> 
> Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking 
> it up from Sussex?

Sure, I'll polish up the terrorist-mobile[1].

Someone mail me off-list with some instructions.

[1] Which contrary to what Micheal J Fox thinks, will do 90, eventually.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Robin Houston]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
> longer talks.

I'd like to give a (preferably "longer") talk about parsing and
semantic transformation of Perl code. I promise to think of a
less scary title, and try not to say "semantic transformation".

Should take about 20 minutes.

 .robin.

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RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Paul Mison]

On 10/04/2001 at 10:55 +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.
>
>There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of
>them :)
>
>Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone?

Yes, but I'm keeping them hidden for the grand unveiling. Of course, if
anyone else stumbles across the location and/or IRC logs and feels like
posting them, I can hardly stop them, but maybe we should use the fact
people have forgotten to build up a sense of mystique?

Neil mentioned the colours- I'm just about to trawl my archive and send
them directly to Simon (as I've been doing for bits and bats all
morning... no need to make the list far too busy).

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Matthew Byng-Maddick]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
> > > I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> > > doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
> > Can we all join in?
> yes the hitch in the t-shirt plan seems to be Mr Cantrell, so i think 
> we all need to
>   smack our hitch up
> ;-)

That was kind of what I meant.

MBM (any excuse :)

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[David Cantrell]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:04:07AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:

> Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour
> combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'?

I forwarded it to him, along with the designs that Paul did.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Leon Brocard]

dcross - David Cross sent the following bits through the ether:

> Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,

Righto, I'd like to do talks on the following subjects:

  o Creating an optimising compiler and interpreter for a toy language
  o More Graphing Perl (crazy stuff Marcel and I have done)
  o Testing (Test, Test::Simple, Test::More, Test::Unit, Devel::Coverage)
  o Benchmarking (Benchmark, Devel::DProf, Devel::OpProf, Devel::SmallProf)
 
Of course, I'll actually be in the alps snowboarding[1], so this may
have to wait until the next technical meet[2] ;-)

[1] read this as "hurting"
[2] although you're welcome to steal the bottom two and do them
without me, sniff
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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Simon Wistow]

Neil Ford wrote:
 
> Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour
> combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'?

Got em, cheers.

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Piers Cawley]

jo walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
> > but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step
> > forward.
> 
> i recall promising to do 20 minutes on '101 fun things to do with
> Tangram', or something like that.

Swear at the maintainer who *still* hasn't put some stuff to allow for
schema changes during development without losing data.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Neil Ford]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:05:51AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> dcross - David Cross wrote:
>  
> > Mr Cantrell has them I believe.
> 
> I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
> 
> And yea it shall be so.
> 
> Or something.
>  
> > You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9 more days of
> > progress to report :)
> 
> Umm, ok.
> 
> Simon
> 

Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour
combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'?

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Greg McCarroll]

* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
> > dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > > Mr Cantrell has them I believe.
> > I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> > doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
> 
> Can we all join in?
> 

yes the hitch in the t-shirt plan seems to be Mr Cantrell, so i think 
we all need to

smack our hitch up

;-)


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RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[dcross - David Cross]

From: Robert Shiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:19 AM

> > > might be nice to have status reports from:
> > >
> > * The t-shirt committee
>
> What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.

There are five. So you'll probably want somewhere between one and five of
them :)

Are the designs on the web anywhere? Paul? Dave? Anyone?

> http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/321a.html is a fairly new addition I
> think.

Been there for a few months. It's a top piece of code tho'.

Dave...

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Matthew Byng-Maddick]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
> dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > Mr Cantrell has them I believe.
> I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.

Can we all join in?

:)

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Robert Shiels]

> >
> > > might be nice to have status reports from:
> > >
> > > * The t-shirt committee
> >
What is the design that you have agreed on? I will probably want one.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/321a.html is a fairly new addition I
think.

/Robert

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Redvers Davies]

> Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking 
> it up from Sussex?

Normally I would but i'm buried under the New York contingent for the
next few weeks so can't really go anywhere.

Red

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Simon Wistow]

dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
> Mr Cantrell has them I believe.

I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.

And yea it shall be so.

Or something.
 
> You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9 more days of
> progress to report :)

Umm, ok.

Simon

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Struan Donald]

* at 10/04 09:15 +0100 Greg McCarroll said:
> * Marcel Grunauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:56:28PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
> > > 
> > > nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small
> > > hours generating tremendous hangovers :)
> > 
> > "sit"? IIRC, you tried to lean against a bench but unfortunately
> > were standing between two benches, landing on the ground face-down.
> > 
> 
> its a good job he had lots of `anasthetic' that night, or that would
> of really hurt

not at the time no :(

struan

RE: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[dcross - David Cross]

From: Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:17 AM

> Dave Cross wrote:
>  
> > I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.
> > 
> > Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.
> 
> Umm. Ok.
> 
> Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed.

Mr Cantrell has them I believe.

> Talk over.
> 
> Or am I missing something?

You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9 more days of
progress to report :)

Dave...

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Simon Wistow]

Dave Cross wrote:
 
> I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.
> 
> Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.

Umm. Ok.

Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed.

Talk over.

Or am I missing something?

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Marcel Grunauer]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:56:28PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
> 
> nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small
> hours generating tremendous hangovers :)

"sit"? IIRC, you tried to lean against a bench but unfortunately
were standing between two benches, landing on the ground face-down.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Dave Cross]

At 22:10 09/04/2001, Neil Ford wrote:
>On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> >
> > If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical 
> meeting
> > on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
> > 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
> > soon.
> >
>Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this
>which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-(
>
>If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than
>welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was.

Neil,

Thanks for warning me.

Does anyone want to take on the task of being projector monitor and picking 
it up from Sussex?

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Neil Ford]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> 
> If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting
> on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
> 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
> soon.
> 
Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this
which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-(

If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than
welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was.

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Dave Cross]

At 19:16 09/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
>On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>
> > might be nice to have status reports from:
> >
> > * The t-shirt committee
>
>There has been movement on this!
>
>I, however, will not be able to attend cos I have a visitor from the
>darker regions of the galaxy.

I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else.

Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place.

Dave...



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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[David Cantrell]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:

> might be nice to have status reports from:
> 
> * The t-shirt committee

There has been movement on this!

I, however, will not be able to attend cos I have a visitor from the
darker regions of the galaxy.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[jo walsh]

> Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
> but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step
> forward.

i recall promising to do 20 minutes on '101 fun things to do with
Tangram', or something like that.
am still happy to do this, but also happy to do less time if more people
want to do longer talks.

jo

Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[alex]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for
> us, but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to
> step forward.

i'll do some more music for a bit.

alex

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Technical Meeting - 19th April

[dcross - David Cross]

If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting
on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
soon.

Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us,
but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to step
forward. might be nice to have status reports from:

* The t-shirt committee
* The server committee
* The camel visitation committee[2]

As usual I'll aim at having four or five lightning talks and two or three
longer talks.

Any questions?

Dave...

p.s Next social meeting is on Thur 3rd May. Suggestions for venues would be
most welcome.

[1] I know that some people raised objections to State 51 as a venue, but as
I didn't get any other suggestions I didn't really have much choice :(

[2] Bugger! That's me.

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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Struan Donald]

* at 09/04 16:09 +0100 dcross - David Cross said:
> 

> 
> p.s Next social meeting is on Thur 3rd May. Suggestions for venues would be
> most welcome.

nowhere we might be tempted to sit by the thames till the wee small
hours generating tremendous hangovers :)

struan

Re: Technical Meeting

[Greg McCarroll]

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> The next meeting is on Thursday 5th April and the next technical 
> meeting is Thursday 19th April. Suggestions for venues for both are
> welcomed.

i think some little birdie told me dean was booking the cittie of
yorke (or however you spell it), 

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Technical Meeting

[Dave Cross]

Just a quick reminder that there will be _no_ technical meeting next
Thursday. We've seen far too much of each other and it wouldn't be
healthy :)

The next meeting is on Thursday 5th April and the next technical 
meeting is Thursday 19th April. Suggestions for venues for both are
welcomed.

The web site is, as usual, wrong. I'll correct it over the weekend.

Dave...

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Roger Burton West]

On or about Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:50:40PM +, Matthew Robinson typed:

>Here you go, directions to Torrington.  The address is:
>
>Torrington Interactive
>2 Printing House Yard
>London
>E2 7PR

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=533478&Y=182733&A=Y&Z=1

>Printing House Yard is on the junction of Old Street, Shoreditch High St,
>Hackney Road and Kingsland Road.  We are about 10-15 minutes walk from Old
>St and Liverpool St tubes.
>
>I have attached the official 'Directions to Torrington' PDF file.  However,
>after 6:30 pm the gate on Hackney Road

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=533497&Y=182730&A=Y&Z=1

>is closed and the only entrance is
>through the back gates

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=533500&Y=182818&A=Y&Z=1

>which are on Waterson St (the first road on the left
>as you walk up Hackney Rd).

Roger

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Matthew Robinson]

[ Editors note I have changed the attachment its contents can be found at
  http://www.gellyfi.sh/stuff/torridirections.pdf /J\ ]

Here you go, directions to Torrington.  The address is:

Torrington Interactive
2 Printing House Yard
London
E2 7PR

Printing House Yard is on the junction of Old Street, Shoreditch High St,
Hackney Road and Kingsland Road.  We are about 10-15 minutes walk from Old
St and Liverpool St tubes.

I have attached the official 'Directions to Torrington' PDF file.  However,
after 6:30 pm the gate on Hackney Road is closed and the only entrance is
through the back gates which are on Waterson St (the first road on the left
as you walk up Hackney Rd).

Matt

At 10:56 12/02/01 -0500, you wrote:
>At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:49:04 +, Matthew Robinson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >How many people can we get in the room at Torrington? I guess we'll
>> >be expecting ~30. Maybe a bit more.
>> 
>> 30 people should be no problem, over 40 and it will probably start 
>> getting a little personal.
>
>That sounds OK. I suspect that unfortunately the attendance at this
>meeting will be adversely affected by Damian being in town only a few
>days later.
>
>> >And will there be net connectivity in the room? We can probably 
>> >get by without, but it would be nice to have.
>> 
>> We have a 2meg line and we can make sure that there are a few ports 
>> patched through from the boardroom.  We are also running DHCP so 
>> people can get an IP if required.
>
>Excellent. Let's call that a plan then.
>
>Can you post directions to Torrington, and then I'll post an official
>announcement.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dave...
>
>


I Have removed the PDF map attachment and placed it at:



Because it was bounced by majordomo :)

/J\

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>At 21:04 12/02/2001, Neil Ford wrote:
>>>On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:59:55AM +, Neil Ford wrote:

   Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA,
   wireless microphones?)
>>>
>>>FWIW, damian has (IIRC) requested a vga connection for ny.
>>>
>>>(will try to remember to confirm this at some point...)
>>>
>>>Your best bet is to ask him.  That's what we did. :-)
>>I'll get Mr Cross to check then. Some of teh requirements are going 
>>to depend on the size of room we get. Something the size of the 
>>cinemas at the ICA and a PA and mics will almost be a necessity.
>
>The room we're looking at holds 80-100 people, so that's borderline PA
>territory in my book.
>
Something to check tomorrow. I'll stand at the back and you can do 
the Sub::Approx lightning talk :-)

>And isn't the VGA connection a requirement for the projector? Or the 
>laptop? Or
>something other than the room itself?
>
I'll admit my message wasn't well written. What I meant was that if 
the room was titchy we wouldn't need a PA, etc. Might need a VGA 
extension cable regardless as the one on the projector isn't 
extremely long.

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[David H. Adler]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 09:17:54PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
> And isn't the VGA connection a requirement for the projector? Or the 
> laptop? Or something other than the room itself?

My assumption is that that describes what is needed to connect the
projector and laptop.

I just had him talk to the tech people himself. :-)

delagatin' dha

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Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Dave Cross]

At 21:04 12/02/2001, Neil Ford wrote:
>>On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:59:55AM +, Neil Ford wrote:
>>>
>>>  Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA,
>>>  wireless microphones?)
>>
>>FWIW, damian has (IIRC) requested a vga connection for ny.
>>
>>(will try to remember to confirm this at some point...)
>>
>>Your best bet is to ask him.  That's what we did. :-)
>I'll get Mr Cross to check then. Some of teh requirements are going to 
>depend on the size of room we get. Something the size of the cinemas at 
>the ICA and a PA and mics will almost be a necessity.

The room we're looking at holds 80-100 people, so that's borderline PA 
territory in my book.

And isn't the VGA connection a requirement for the projector? Or the 
laptop? Or something other than the room itself?

Confused?

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Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:59:55AM +, Neil Ford wrote:
>>
>>  Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA,
>>  wireless microphones?)
>
>FWIW, damian has (IIRC) requested a vga connection for ny.
>
>(will try to remember to confirm this at some point...)
>
>Your best bet is to ask him.  That's what we did. :-)
>
I'll get Mr Cross to check then. Some of teh requirements are going 
to depend on the size of room we get. Something the size of the 
cinemas at the ICA and a PA and mics will almost be a necessity.

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[David H. Adler]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:59:55AM +, Neil Ford wrote:
> 
> Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA, 
> wireless microphones?)

FWIW, damian has (IIRC) requested a vga connection for ny.

(will try to remember to confirm this at some point...)

Your best bet is to ask him.  That's what we did. :-)

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Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Dave Cross]

At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:49:04 +, Matthew Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> >
> >How many people can we get in the room at Torrington? I guess we'll
> >be expecting ~30. Maybe a bit more.
> 
> 30 people should be no problem, over 40 and it will probably start 
> getting a little personal.

That sounds OK. I suspect that unfortunately the attendance at this
meeting will be adversely affected by Damian being in town only a few
days later.

> >And will there be net connectivity in the room? We can probably 
> >get by without, but it would be nice to have.
> 
> We have a 2meg line and we can make sure that there are a few ports 
> patched through from the boardroom.  We are also running DHCP so 
> people can get an IP if required.

Excellent. Let's call that a plan then.

Can you post directions to Torrington, and then I'll post an official
announcement.

Cheers,

Dave...

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Matthew Robinson]

At 10:31 12/02/01 -0500, you wrote:
>At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:25:34 +, Matthew Robinson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.).
>> >
>> >I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!),
>> >net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of
>> >that list they can supply. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sorry, been busy all morning.  We can supply either a screen or a 
>> white wall, not sure which yet but we will supply one or the other.  
>> So if somebody else can supply the projector that would be good.
>
>Thanks Matt. I guess we'll impose on Neil for his projector again, if 
>that's ok :)
>
>How many people can we get in the room at Torrington? I guess we'll
>be expecting ~30. Maybe a bit more.

30 people should be no problem, over 40 and it will probably start getting
a little personal.

>
>And will there be net connectivity in the room? We can probably 
>get by without, but it would be nice to have.

We have a 2meg line and we can make sure that there are a few ports patched
through from the boardroom.  We are also running DHCP so people can get an
IP if required.

Matt

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:25:34 +, Matthew Robinson 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >> What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.).
>>  >
>>  >I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!),
>>  >net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of
>>  >that list they can supply. Thanks.
>>
>>  Sorry, been busy all morning.  We can supply either a screen or a
>>  white wall, not sure which yet but we will supply one or the other.
>>  So if somebody else can supply the projector that would be good.
>
>Thanks Matt. I guess we'll impose on Neil for his projector again, if
>that's ok :)
>
No probs projector booked.

Neil.

-- 
Neil C. Ford
Yet Another Computer Solutions Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:17:14 +, Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[kit for Damian's talk]
>
>>  >I'll be able to answer that better after I've visited tomorrow. I
>>  >strongly suspect that we'll be asking to borrow you prjector again
>>  >tho' Neil.
>>
>>  Shall I come along tomorrow?
>
>If you have the time, that would be great. Meet me outside the Conway
>Hall at 12:30pm.
>
12:30, Conway Hall - in the diary.

See you there.

Neil.
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Neil C. Ford
Yet Another Computer Solutions Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Dave Cross]

At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:25:34 +, Matthew Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >> 
> >> What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.).
> >
> >I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!),
> >net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of
> >that list they can supply. Thanks.
> 
> Sorry, been busy all morning.  We can supply either a screen or a 
> white wall, not sure which yet but we will supply one or the other.  
> So if somebody else can supply the projector that would be good.

Thanks Matt. I guess we'll impose on Neil for his projector again, if 
that's ok :)

How many people can we get in the room at Torrington? I guess we'll
be expecting ~30. Maybe a bit more.

And will there be net connectivity in the room? We can probably 
get by without, but it would be nice to have.

Cheers,

Dave...

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Matthew Robinson]

>> 
>> What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.).
>
>I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!),
>net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of
>that list they can supply. Thanks.

Sorry, been busy all morning.  We can supply either a screen or a white
wall, not sure which yet but we will supply one or the other.  So if
somebody else can supply the projector that would be good.

Matt

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Dave Cross]

At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:17:14 +, Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[kit for Damian's talk]

> >I'll be able to answer that better after I've visited tomorrow. I
> >strongly suspect that we'll be asking to borrow you prjector again 
> >tho' Neil.
>
> Shall I come along tomorrow?

If you have the time, that would be great. Meet me outside the Conway
Hall at 12:30pm.

Dave...

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:59:55 +, Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >I'm assuming that Matt won't want to talk for the _whole_ evening :)
>>  >So anyone got a short talk they want to give as a support act?
>>  >
>>  >Cheers,
>>  >
>>  >Dave...
>>
>>  Related question:
>>
>>  What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.).
>
>I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!),
>net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of
>that list they can supply. Thanks.
>
>>  Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA,
>>  wireless microphones?)
>
>I'll be able to answer that better after I've visited tomorrow. I
>strongly suspect that we'll be asking to borrow you prjector again tho'
>Neil.
>
Shall I come along tomorrow?

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
Yet Another Computer Solutions Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Dave Cross]

At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:59:55 +, Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I'm assuming that Matt won't want to talk for the _whole_ evening :)
> >So anyone got a short talk they want to give as a support act?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Dave...
> 
> Related question:
> 
> What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.).

I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!),
net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of
that list they can supply. Thanks.

> Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA, 
> wireless microphones?)

I'll be able to answer that better after I've visited tomorrow. I 
strongly suspect that we'll be asking to borrow you prjector again tho'
Neil.

Cheers,

Dave...

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>I'm assuming that Matt won't want to talk for the _whole_ evening :)
>So anyone got a short talk they want to give as a support act?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dave...

Related question:

What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.).

Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA, 
wireless microphones?)

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
Yet Another Computer Solutions Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Dave Cross]

I'm assuming that Matt won't want to talk for the _whole_ evening :)
So anyone got a short talk they want to give as a support act?

Cheers,

Dave...

RE: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Dave Cross]

At 14:24 06/02/2001, Clyne, Richard wrote:

>If it was at Conway Hall could PC Bookshop be persuaded to sponsor it -
>after all they are very local.

That's a very interesting idea, but I think we have plenty of private 
sponsors to raise the money for the Conway Hall.

Cheers,

Dave...



-- 
  SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Data Munging with Perl 

RE: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Clyne, Richard]

If it was at Conway Hall could PC Bookshop be persuaded to sponsor it -
after all they are very local.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Steve Mynott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 February 2001 13:56
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

It would also be quite an interesting venue with a lot of character
and Holborn is easy to get to (central and north of the river).

-- 
1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]

same thing day after day - tube - work - diner - work - ...tube -
armchair - tub

Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Dave Cross]

At Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:49:17 +0100, Merijn Broeren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You can jot me down for a personal sponsorship of £50. No way I can 
> get a corporate sponsorship in time.

Most kind. Thank you. Once again we see the awesome power of the Perl
communities bottomless pockets :)

I've had pledges of £120 and a promise of unlimited wealth from 
Jonathan Stowe, so I'm going to press ahead with the Conway Hall
option.

Cheers,

Dave...

Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Merijn Broeren]

Quoting Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> It would be spectacularly appropriate :)
> 
I agree :-)

> 
> I can't remember exactly what the email I got from them said, but they
> were _far_ cheaper than the Commonwealth Institute (which I also
> investigated). There was a larger room for ~500 and a smaller one for
> ~70. I think the smaller one costs £155 for the evening. So that is
> looking pretty good to me right now.
> 
> If I don't get any other volunteers I may consider making it a Magnum
> Solutions sponsored event (if it only costs £150!)
> 
You can jot me down for a personal sponsorship of £50. No way I can get
a corporate sponsorship in time. 

Cheers,
-- 
Merijn Broeren | Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavour of life,
Software Geek  | take big bites. Moderation is for monks.
   | 

Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Piers Cawley]

Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> At 22:26 06/02/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> 
> >Oi! Davorg! stop posting to the wrong list and confusing everyone :)
> 
> You're the third person to point this out to me - and it wasn't me who
> started it. The culprit has been identified and told off :)

I'm very, very sorry.

-- 
Piers

Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Dave Cross]

At 22:26 06/02/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:

>Oi! Davorg! stop posting to the wrong list and confusing everyone :)

You're the third person to point this out to me - and it wasn't me who 
started it. The culprit has been identified and told off :)

Dave...

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Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Jonathan Stowe]

On 6 Feb 2001, Piers Cawley wrote:

It was Piers that started posting to the wrong list guv honest ...

/J\
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http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |

Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

Oi! Davorg! stop posting to the wrong list and confusing everyone :)

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |

Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Robin Houston wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:29:53AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > I've been investigating places to hold Damian's meeting and I've already
> > got some interesting leads (the Conway Hall looks like it might well
> > work out!)
>
> Conway Hall would be a great venue, for the name alone!
>
> It can't be too expensive, because it's used by any number of
> fringe anarcho groups, who presumably don't have too much cash
> spilling around.
>

Yeah, in the late seventies - early eighties you used to get bands the
like of Crass and Crisis playing there (use Google you yoofs) I think it
is (the hall that is ) thinged up with some religious group with strong
socialist (in the general rather than party sense) political views ...

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |

Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[David H. Adler]

On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:29:53AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> I've been investigating places to hold Damian's meeting and I've already
> got some interesting leads (the Conway Hall looks like it might well
> work out!)

Great!  Can you ship it over to nyc by next week???

dha, still looking... :-/

-- 
David H. Adler - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
America leads the world in shocks.
- Gil Scott-Heron

Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Steve Mynott]

Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:29:53AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > I've been investigating places to hold Damian's meeting and I've already
> > got some interesting leads (the Conway Hall looks like it might well
> > work out!)
> 
> Conway Hall would be a great venue, for the name alone!
> 
> It can't be too expensive, because it's used by any number of
> fringe anarcho groups, who presumably don't have too much cash
> spilling around.

It would also be quite an interesting venue with a lot of character
and Holborn is easy to get to (central and north of the river).

-- 
1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]

same thing day after day - tube - work - diner - work - ...tube - armchair - tub

Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Dave Cross]

At Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:12:24 +, Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:29:53AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > I've been investigating places to hold Damian's meeting and I've already
> > got some interesting leads (the Conway Hall looks like it might well
> > work out!)
> 
> Conway Hall would be a great venue, for the name alone!

It would be spectacularly appropriate :)

> It can't be too expensive, because it's used by any number of
> fringe anarcho groups, who presumably don't have too much cash
> spilling around.

I can't remember exactly what the email I got from them said, but they
were _far_ cheaper than the Commonwealth Institute (which I also
investigated). There was a larger room for ~500 and a smaller one for
~70. I think the smaller one costs £155 for the evening. So that is
looking pretty good to me right now.

If I don't get any other volunteers I may consider making it a Magnum
Solutions sponsored event (if it only costs £150!)

Dave...

Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Robin Houston]

On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:29:53AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> I've been investigating places to hold Damian's meeting and I've already
> got some interesting leads (the Conway Hall looks like it might well
> work out!)

Conway Hall would be a great venue, for the name alone!

It can't be too expensive, because it's used by any number of
fringe anarcho groups, who presumably don't have too much cash
spilling around.

 .robin.

Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Dave Cross]

I've been investigating places to hold Damian's meeting and I've already
got some interesting leads (the Conway Hall looks like it might well
work out!)

The problem with moving from a room in someone's office to a 'real'
meeting room is that we'll probably have to pay for it. I'm therefore 
touting for someone whose company might be interested in sponsoring
the event. Costs of the rooms vary, but it might be a little as £150
or as much as £500.

Any offers? I want to get this sorted out this week.

Cheers,

Dave...

Re: Technical Meeting Venues

[Simon Wistow]

Matthew Jones wrote:
 
> So how do That.pm feel about some northern tyke scuttling down to join you
> for the odd beer and tech meeting on a sort of semi-regular basis?

For the love of God NO! Every time you're down in This I end up the next
morning feeling fragile wearing nothing but a traffic cone and a
policwoman's helmet ;)

Re: Technical Meeting Venues

[Greg McCarroll]

* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> 
> > From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: 29 January 2001 15:34
> >
> > > just think of the sitcom possibilities if i lived above you
> > > Dave? heh? heh? ;-) ;-)
> >
> > Bit tricky that. What with us living in a house and all that.
> >
> 
> We have seagulls on our roof, perhaps grep meant to be building a nest on
> your chimney ?
> 

ok scratch that, the idea for the sitcom is i'm the lodger, dave had
to rent out his flat because he needed the cash --- err no, thats
a bit too far fetched even for a sitcom

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Technical Meeting Venues

[Greg McCarroll]

* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> As I skuttled off to Nottingham[1] this morning, Philip Newton wrote:
> 
> > that I wrote:
> >
> > > [2] Bath.pm roots showing.  We used to discuss a fair amount 
> > > of technical (but not necessary perl related) stuff.  From
> > > this, I quickly progressed into the well rounded perl programmer
> > > I am today
> > 
> > Is that "well rounded perl programmer" in the sense that "grep is well
> > rounded"?
> >
> 
> Yes and no.  If you mean well rounded in girth then no. If you mean well
> rounded as in 'well, time for another round then', then yes. 
> 

don't forget the round table my lodge sit at


-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

RE: Technical Meeting Venues

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:

> From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 29 January 2001 15:34
>
> > just think of the sitcom possibilities if i lived above you
> > Dave? heh? heh? ;-) ;-)
>
> Bit tricky that. What with us living in a house and all that.
>

We have seagulls on our roof, perhaps grep meant to be building a nest on
your chimney ?

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |

Re: Technical Meeting Venues

[David Cantrell]

On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 08:57:00PM +, Chris Benson wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 02:48:33PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
> > 
> > I'm from Birmingham damnit[0], which though north of the M25, is nowhere near
> > as grim as proper up north.
> 
> Oi! where you calling grim

http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/maps/britain.gif

So there.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced

Re: Technical Meeting Venues

[Chris Benson]

On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 02:48:33PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
> 
> I'm from Birmingham damnit[0], which though north of the M25, is nowhere near
> as grim as proper up north.

Oi! where you calling grim ... though 5-7 hour GNER magical mystery tours
instead of the usual 3h is pretty grim.  

It makes Dublin, Amsterdam and Belfast considerable more
convenient than that quaint car park inside the M25  :-)

Best wishes
-- 
Chris Benson