--- Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> > > > I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo
> contained
> > > complete distributions
> > > > of Mozilla, Perl and Python.
> > >
> > > /me cancels the download, suggests Activestate
> acquire some Clue
> > >
>
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:46:03PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Works with Objective C too. Which is still (for my money) the best way
> of messing with the NeXTSTEP object model.
s/best/only/
Paul
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Philip Newton wrote:
> Barbie wrote:
> > The good thing about PPM is that it does all the installation
> > for you. the bad thing is that it doesn't run any tests. Then
> > again seeing as they've done the job of porting the package
> > you'd hope it was tested at their end.
Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> > Then you're missing half the fun. Seriously. M-x compile was the
> > reason I started using emacs in the first place.
>
> And I \N{WHITE HEART SUIT} M-x gdb
Oh, yes, baby. And M-x ediff
David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:56:51AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> > Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > You also get ProjectBuilder IDE.
> > >
> > > http://developer.apple.com/tools/projectbuilder/
> >
> > Which is very nice. Or at least i
> >
> > > you can write code in emacs?
> >
> > Apparently if you install enough major modes you
> can even edit text in
> > it... ;)
Theres a nasty rumor going about that its really just
a mail client.
D
=
"Artificial Intelligence is no match for human stupitity!"
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > in the *nix variant can you load stuff from CPAN straight in ?
>
> Lemme check... yep, you can. (Using the Solaris version of ActivePerl 618.)
> I used a non-XS module, but I believe I've done it with XS modules as well.
well thats reall
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Then you're missing half the fun. Seriously. M-x compile was the
> reason I started using emacs in the first place.
And I \N{WHITE HEART SUIT} M-x gdb
--
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On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:56:51AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > You also get ProjectBuilder IDE.
> >
> > http://developer.apple.com/tools/projectbuilder/
>
> Which is very nice. Or at least it was, back when it was NeXTSTEP.
I had a little play with
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:49PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> > > Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think
> > > even vim can do it now, too.
> >
> > Never n
Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:49PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> > Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think
> > even vim can do it now, too.
>
> Never noticed that! I normally edit my code in emacs and do the compiling
> on the
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:43:24PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
> You also get ProjectBuilder IDE.
It's "Project Builder", read the release notes (they're quite funny).
I wish PB had integrated help that worked. I've never had Find by
Definitions work on anything except Frameworks (maybe it's not me
Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 18/04/2001 at 16:36 +0100, Dean wrote:
> >Does OS X come with GNU tools like GCC and make then?
>
> Yes, but they're not installed by default. (I can't remember if the
> 'BSD subsystem' is installed by default either though.) It comes on a
> seperate CD
Robin Szemeti wrote:
> in the *nix variant can you load stuff from CPAN straight in ?
Lemme check... yep, you can. (Using the Solaris version of ActivePerl 618.)
I used a non-XS module, but I believe I've done it with XS modules as well.
Cheers,
Philip
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All o
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:34:30PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > but I should also add that I see anyhting which looks like splintering
> > the nice world of One Big [*nix] Perl [1] into several different
> > incompatible
>
> AS Perl on Unix isn't incompatible.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:34:30PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> but I should also add that I see anyhting which looks like splintering
> the nice world of One Big [*nix] Perl [1] into several different
> incompatible
AS Perl on Unix isn't incompatible.
--
Every little bit of seaweed kelps.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:23:34PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > I can not see however a place in linux for any perl IDE that doesnt use a
> > standard perl install. simple as that.
>
> Then don't buy one. Those who do, will. Isn't the free market great?
but I
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:23:34PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> I can not see however a place in linux for any perl IDE that doesnt use a
> standard perl install. simple as that.
Then don't buy one. Those who do, will. Isn't the free market great?
--
Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that fai
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats
> > quite an 'afterthought'.
>
> That's irrelevant. ActiveState's business is 90% Windows, so they do Windows
> first.
whi
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 07:12:27PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
>
> stop winding me up .. everyone knows emacs is a firewall configuration
> tool with some other bits bolted on ... dont you just press C-x C-alt-b
> C-shift-alt-z alt-y pageup-alt-escape-shift-~ to make it insert a space
> or somes
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats
> quite an 'afterthought'.
That's irrelevant. ActiveState's business is 90% Windows, so they do Windows
first.
--
heh, yeah, but Aretha could be reading out
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats
> > quite an 'afterthought'. My guess is they see ActiveState Perl as taking
> > over the world and these tools are simply th
Barbie wrote:
> The good thing about PPM is that it does all the installation
> for you. the bad thing is that it doesn't run any tests. Then
> again seeing as they've done the job of porting the package
> you'd hope it was tested at their end. At least that's what
> _I'm_ hoping.
Yes. The PPM u
Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> I've I'm wrong and Activestate Perl is full of unreleased
> modifications to Perl itself or the core libs I'd like to
> know if it...
Well, not exactly unreleased, but ActivePerl AFAIK never corresponds to any
stock Perl. They often integrate patches from the developme
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:47:57PM +0100, Dean wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:49PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> > Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think
> > even vim can do it now, too.
>
> Never noticed that! I normally edit my code in emacs and do the
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:49PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think
> even vim can do it now, too.
Never noticed that! I normally edit my code in emacs and do the compiling
on the command line in another term, never got too co
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:36:08PM +0100, Dean wrote:
> Whats MPW?
Macintosh Programmers' Workshop. Delicious...
> Does OS X come with GNU tools like GCC and make then?
Yes (on the optional developers CD)
.robin.
--
Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new era?
On 18/04/2001 at 16:36 +0100, Dean wrote:
>On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:17:00PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
>> On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac.
>> XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you wait for someone who can
>
>> deal with MPW and who needs them to do the
Dean wrote:
> I've been using [Kdevelop] for C coding recently and its not too bad. It has a
> couple of nice tricks though like clicking on the compile errors and being
> taken to the line.
Ultraedit does this. It's great and I love it. And it works under Wine.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:17:00PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
> On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac.
> XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you wait for someone who can
> deal with MPW and who needs them to do the port, although it is
> possible to do it if you
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 03:58:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> I think it's more than Windows accounts for 75% of the IDE market, rather
> than the Perl market...
> Anyway, I thought all this stuff about non-standard kinds of Win32 Perl was
> sorted out years ago. Activestate Perl is the s
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:26:42PM +0100, Dean wrote:
> I've been using this for C coding recently and its not too bad. It has a
> couple of nice tricks though like clicking on the compile errors and being
> taken to the line.
Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I thin
From: "Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Anyway, I thought all this stuff about non-standard kinds of Win32 Perl
was
> sorted out years ago. Activestate Perl is the same as anyone else's Perl,
> shurely? All the brain ache surrounding PPM and CPAN modules and XS is not
> strictly perl rela
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats
> quite an 'afterthought'. My guess is they see ActiveState Perl as taking
> over the world and these tools are simply there to help get it to that
> position.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 03:58:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> Anyway, I thought all this stuff about non-standard kinds of Win32 Perl was
> sorted out years ago. Activestate Perl is the same as anyone else's Perl,
> shurely?
It's more because I have a nicely working perl installation righ
On 18/04/2001 at 15:58 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
>I mean how the hell do you install CPAN packges on EPOC perl or
>Mac Perl or any other platform that doesn't smell of Unix?
On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac.
XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you w
>
> umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl
> usauge, thats
> quite an 'afterthought'. My guess is they see ActiveState
> Perl as taking
> over the world and these tools are simply there to help get it to that
> position.
I think it's more than Windows accounts for 75% of the ID
* at 18/04 11:58 +0100 Robin Szemeti said:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
>
> > IMHO the Linux port is an afterthought, most of the effort seems to have
> > been focused on the Windows side, the integration with Visual Studio
> > springs to mind.
>
> umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess)
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> IMHO the Linux port is an afterthought, most of the effort seems to have
> been focused on the Windows side, the integration with Visual Studio
> springs to mind.
umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats
quite an 'afterthought'. My
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:44:38AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> The iMac is one of the platforms supported by OS X.
One has to assume anyone installing an OS over a different is
intelligent enough to read the caveats.
> In fact, CD burning doesn't work under OS X on *any* machine and isn't
> s
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:59:51AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:52:58AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
>
> > No, I mean "unless you're using our latest and greatest operating system
> > which, despite us only supporting a limited number of systems to make it
>
> This i
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:12:30AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> umm .. for a windows install where Activestate Perl seems to be the
> standard then yes, its fair enough. For a *nix tool it MUST work with a
> standard Perl install or it is of zero use (to me) .. I do not have any
> intention of in
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:12:30AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> if it doesn't work on a standard Perl install its dead in the water IMHO
FWIW, I agree. Not only that, if it conflicts with existing
distribution's package management that'd be a nightmare.
Paul
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> > > I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained
> > complete distributions
> > > of Mozilla, Perl and Python.
> >
> > /me cancels the download, suggests Activestate acquire some Clue
> >
>
> Isn't that a bit harsh? If the Linux version is a Beta / Alph
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:59:51AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> Who said "release early, release often". Apple are doing the right
> thing, IMO.
Probably Eric Raymond.
Which reminds me, there used to be a comment in the code for an
authentication server at Demon:
/* fork early, fork often
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:52:58AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> > actually supporting for those operations"?
>
> No, I mean "unless you're using our latest and greatest operating system
> which, despite us only supporting a limited number of systems to make it
This is specious. The ad is runni
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:16:39AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> >Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our latest and greatest
> > operating system which we couldn't be arsed to complete
>
> You mean, "...if you ch
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
>Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our latest and greatest
> operating system which we couldn't be arsed to complete
You mean, "...if you choose to install an OS over the one we're
actually supporting for those ope
> > I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained
> complete distributions
> > of Mozilla, Perl and Python.
>
> /me cancels the download, suggests Activestate acquire some Clue
>
Isn't that a bit harsh? If the Linux version is a Beta / Alpha type deal it
seems fair enough they want peop
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> > Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version?
> I haven't looked at it, but will. However, it does look from the web pages
> as if it requires me to download Activestate's distribution of perl. This
> is a Bad Thing. If
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:17:37PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
>
> > Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world
>
> I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions
> of Mozilla, Perl and Py
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world
I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions
of Mozilla, Perl and Python.
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On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote:
> I just downloaded and had a play with the release version 1.0 of Komodo for
> Windows (The Linux one is still in the RC phase) and i have to say that I'm
> impressed.
>
> Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version?
I haven't looked
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 06:23:28PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote:
> > Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version?
> The Linux version is broken; it won't install, claiming you need a new
> license.
Gah! I just downloaded this and tried
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote:
> Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version?
The Linux version is broken; it won't install, claiming you need a new
license.
lathos: I just talked to the Komodo lead. He suggests a) don't evaluate
Komodo on the Linux version, yet. b
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