TPC5 Attendees
Just had a look at the registration for the forthcoming TPC5, and notice a fair few London.pm'ers are attending. Nice :) However, also had a look at the Hotel costs. Thankfully I wasn't drinking anything at the time. Seeing as I'm having to pay for this years trip out of my own pocket, would anyone be interested in sharing a room with a Birmingham.pm'er? Or know of any other hotels (within walking distance from the conference) that are cheaper? Barbie.
Re: TPC5
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 12:28:03PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: > I want tutorial, paper, and talk proposals. Tutorials are a half- or > full-day. Papers are 25 minutes long, and intended to be high-quality > and academicish. Talks can be more informal and are either 25, 40, or > 90 minutes in length. Yay. Piers and I sent a presentation proposal last week. dj
Re: TPC5
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 02:26:07PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > > > > > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of > > > central London > > > > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have > > > sizeable conference > > > > type facilities (also handy for the airport!). > > > > > > FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of > > > London. Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that > > > matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at. > > > > Go to Brighton. It's nicer than London, on the sea, easy to get to from > > Gatwick, and has more pubs per head of population than any other town in > > Britain (I think, or maybe it was more pubs per square mile). It has > > conference facilities for all sizes (although I've no idea how booked up > > they get). And it's 55 minutes from London by train. > > > > And its handy for me. And me! dj
Re: TPC5
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 12:08:04PM +, David Cantrell wrote: > > Good point. Sometimes it's hard to remember that there is life outside > the M25. Errm ... if you *really* want to have it in the UK, consider > manchester and birmingham. Both have international airports, large hotels > and conference centres. I expect Edinburgh does too although I'm not sure > if there are direct flights to .us - but that's OK, there's no direct > flights from .eu to Monterey :-) And NCL (Newcastle) has 6 flights/day to Schiphol (a way better hub than any of the London 'ports) and a *much* better QoL ... but it's a looong way from the money. And of course the Metro won't be on strike 3 Mondays in February either! -- Chris Benson - who needs to get to Liverpool St. for 0830 Monday 19th Feb :-(tm)
Re: TPC5
* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london > > > > I think Location in this day an age is a little irrelivant. The choice > will be made on quality of service - not where the office is based. > ... and all the clients will be logically thinking young people. with no biases and no predefined stereotypes. they will make sure they pay there bills on time and they will not be trying to fuck you from day 1. unfortunatly any startup company that is not backed with serious capital needs to accept almost every job it can get, and if it cant get most of them due to some middleaged business man's discrimination against it - due to the fact that the office is in brighton, or they don't have an office or they don't wear suits or whatever, it won't survive. i agree with you logically but i see a big difference in reality. > The south coast has a very high number of nu media companies - and > apparently Worthing is the most profitable town / area in the UK. however, the major (only?) resource that this theoretical company has is people and most of them are london based anyway so anywhere outside the M25 is probably not going to leverage the main resource and the company would be dead from day #1 however on a trivia note, i'd be willing to bet that _the_ city makes the most profit per area in the UK, but thats a trivia point > It is often easier to get to some London Locations from Brighton than it > is from London. > > > i was thinking about consultancies, and there are really two types and > > two types of person who want to be create each type. and those two types > > can be summarised as the two Steves, the question is what are people trying > > to do - create a Jobs or a Wozniak consultancy? > > You've lost me there ? > ok, ignoring the other figures and concetrating on the two steves ... Woz was an A class engineer and C/D class business guy Jobs was a B class engineer but also a B class business guy and marketeer (bullshitter) if they seperatly formed companys Woz would create the most technically brilliant corporatopia (i just made that up ;-) ), Jobs would make the most money - i'm certainly arguing in this ``debate'' (although that implies too much conflict) that job's way is best others may feel woz's way is best Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: TPC5
Greg McCarroll wrote: > > * Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Andrew Bowman wrote: > > > > > > From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels > > > > capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in > > > > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. > > > > > > What sort of numbers are we talking about then? > > > > > > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London > > > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference > > > type facilities (also handy for the airport!). > > > > What about Brighton ;-) > > > > potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london > Have you heard of Victoria Real - the people behind amonst other things big browers website ? I think Location in this day an age is a little irrelivant. The choice will be made on quality of service - not where the office is based. Although I agree that some people may be a little biased. The south coast has a very high number of nu media companies - and apparently Worthing is the most profitable town / area in the UK. It is often easier to get to some London Locations from Brighton than it is from London. > i was thinking about consultancies, and there are really two types and > two types of person who want to be create each type. and those two types > can be summarised as the two Steves, the question is what are people trying > to do - create a Jobs or a Wozniak consultancy? You've lost me there ? > > -- > Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: TPC5
Jonathan Peterson wrote: > > > > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of > > central London > > > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have > > sizeable conference > > > type facilities (also handy for the airport!). > > > > FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of > > London. Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that > > matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at. > > Go to Brighton. It's nicer than London, on the sea, easy to get to from > Gatwick, and has more pubs per head of population than any other town in > Britain (I think, or maybe it was more pubs per square mile). It has > conference facilities for all sizes (although I've no idea how booked up > they get). And it's 55 minutes from London by train. 47 mins actually - although this time is now theoretical due to the train problems. Also brighton has a very / extremely high number of places to eat (cafe||restaurants). Only 25 mins from the secound biggest airport in the UK, which is nearer than London. Greg
Re: TPC5
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > > Greg Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The Beach. > > For some values of beach not including sand. > Don't start that argument. I spend many an hour - recently opcodes clicked whilst on the beach - and watching three nutters go for a swim ! Greg > -- > Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org > Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com > Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire > -
Re: TPC5
Jonathan Stowe wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > > > > > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of > > > central London > > > > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have > > > sizeable conference > > > > type facilities (also handy for the airport!). > > > > > > FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of > > > London. Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that > > > matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at. > > > > Go to Brighton. It's nicer than London, on the sea, easy to get to from > > Gatwick, and has more pubs per head of population than any other town in > > Britain (I think, or maybe it was more pubs per square mile). It has > > conference facilities for all sizes (although I've no idea how booked up > > they get). And it's 55 minutes from London by train. > > > > And its handy for me. > And me ;-) Greg > /J\ > -- > Jonathan Stowe | > http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one > http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: Conultancy discussion (was Re: TPC5)
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 04:50:39PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > * Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > >potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london > > Seeing as this was about TPC, interesting subject change :-) > apologise for that i've rejoined (void) and once again regard all mailing lists > as one big holistic stream ;-) Ah, they all come back in the end... Michael
Re: Conultancy discussion (was Re: TPC5)
* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london > > > Seeing as this was about TPC, interesting subject change :-) apologise for that i've rejoined (void) and once again regard all mailing lists as one big holistic stream ;-) > Interesting question. I have both men to thank for an awful lot (the > Apple II got me into computing, the mac is by far my most favourite > machine) and whilst I would quite like to meet both, Woz is > definitely the man I identify with most. i had an Apple II, never a Mac. I intend to get an iMac soon as a second desktop machine for playing DVD's[1] and writing. the only problem i have is justifying the purchase of Mac Ms-Office. i am just finishing a book - ``infinite loop'', about the rise and fall and rise of apple, good book but a little dull during the sculley era. i guess i am more like jobs, but i am also aware he is the more flawed of the two. Greg [1] and if i'm going to watch DVD's on a mac, i'm definetly going to have to get Toy Story -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Conultancy discussion (was Re: TPC5)
>* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> Andrew Bowman wrote: >> > >> > From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels >> > > capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in >> > > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. >> > >> > What sort of numbers are we talking about then? >> > >> > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London >> > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have >>sizeable conference >> > type facilities (also handy for the airport!). >> >> What about Brighton ;-) >> > >potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london > Seeing as this was about TPC, interesting subject change :-) The obvious answer to this is "depends where your customers are". Being out side London works for my friend Nik, but then he's targetting customers to the south of London and along the South Coast. Customers in Central London would definitely prefer a consultancy so located. >i was thinking about consultancies, and there are really two types and >two types of person who want to be create each type. and those two types >can be summarised as the two Steves, the question is what are people trying >to do - create a Jobs or a Wozniak consultancy? > Interesting question. I have both men to thank for an awful lot (the Apple II got me into computing, the mac is by far my most favourite machine) and whilst I would quite like to meet both, Woz is definitely the man I identify with most. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
RE: TPC5
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > > > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of > > central London > > > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have > > sizeable conference > > > type facilities (also handy for the airport!). > > > > FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of > > London. Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that > > matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at. > > Go to Brighton. It's nicer than London, on the sea, easy to get to from > Gatwick, and has more pubs per head of population than any other town in > Britain (I think, or maybe it was more pubs per square mile). It has > conference facilities for all sizes (although I've no idea how booked up > they get). And it's 55 minutes from London by train. > And its handy for me. /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: TPC5
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, David H. Adler wrote: > On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 11:28:06PM -, Andrew Bowman wrote: > > From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels > > > capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in > > > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. > > > > What sort of numbers are we talking about then? > > > > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London > > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference > > type facilities (also handy for the airport!). > > FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of > London. Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that > matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at. > Well there's Blackpool, Brighton, Eastbourne, Bournemouth, Harrogate, Birmingham ... (spot the odd one out :) /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: TPC5
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Andrew Bowman wrote: > > There are also a number of large and large-ish venues in London offering a > variety of halls and facilities, e.g. Earls Court, Olympia, Wembley > Conference Centre[1], The Business Design Centre in Islington, The Royal > Horticultural Halls, Queen Elizabeth Conference Hall, Church House (or > whatever it's called) etc. etc. > ISPcon europe was in the Novotel at Hammersmith in 1999 ISTR /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
RE: TPC5
> > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of > central London > > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have > sizeable conference > > type facilities (also handy for the airport!). > > FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of > London. Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that > matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at. Go to Brighton. It's nicer than London, on the sea, easy to get to from Gatwick, and has more pubs per head of population than any other town in Britain (I think, or maybe it was more pubs per square mile). It has conference facilities for all sizes (although I've no idea how booked up they get). And it's 55 minutes from London by train.
Re: TPC5
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:22:07PM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: > > > FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of > > London. Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that > > matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at. > > Good point. Sometimes it's hard to remember that there is life outside > the M25. Errm ... if you *really* want to have it in the UK, consider > manchester and birmingham. Both have international airports, large hotels > and conference centres. I expect Edinburgh does too although I'm not sure > if there are direct flights to .us - but that's OK, there's no direct > flights from .eu to Monterey :-) or better still consider Dublin or Edinburgh -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: TPC5
Greg Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The Beach. For some values of beach not including sand. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: TPC5
* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Andrew Bowman wrote: > > > > From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels > > > capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in > > > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. > > > > What sort of numbers are we talking about then? > > > > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London > > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference > > type facilities (also handy for the airport!). > > What about Brighton ;-) > potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london i was thinking about consultancies, and there are really two types and two types of person who want to be create each type. and those two types can be summarised as the two Steves, the question is what are people trying to do - create a Jobs or a Wozniak consultancy? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: TPC5
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:22:07PM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: > FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of > London. Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that > matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at. Good point. Sometimes it's hard to remember that there is life outside the M25. Errm ... if you *really* want to have it in the UK, consider manchester and birmingham. Both have international airports, large hotels and conference centres. I expect Edinburgh does too although I'm not sure if there are direct flights to .us - but that's OK, there's no direct flights from .eu to Monterey :-) -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
Re: TPC5
Andrew Bowman wrote: > > From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels > > capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in > > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. > > What sort of numbers are we talking about then? > > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference > type facilities (also handy for the airport!). What about Brighton ;-) Cheaper Nicer Near London More Bars / cafe's / resturants than you can shake a stick at ... The Beach. Greg > > There are also a number of large and large-ish venues in London offering a > variety of halls and facilities, e.g. Earls Court, Olympia, Wembley > Conference Centre[1], The Business Design Centre in Islington, The Royal > Horticultural Halls, Queen Elizabeth Conference Hall, Church House (or > whatever it's called) etc. etc. > > HTH, > > Andrew. > > [1] Possibly closed just now for redevelopment.
Re: TPC5
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: > (update on the OScon in Europe thing--London in August seems to be > a bad idea, so we're looking elsewhere and elsewhen ...) In case anybody is interested the Devon & Cornwall LUG will be helping organise a S/West UK OSS Conference for local businesses and academia. Anybody interested should contact myself and cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] or subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to join the discussion. We are also taking part in the linuxday nationwide installfest and if anybody is in the area they are more than welcome to come and join in (same contact details as above) rgds, A. -- http://termisoc.org/~betty"> Betty @ termisoc.org "As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)
Re: TPC5
* Andrew Bowman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > From: "Paul Makepeace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Where you'll be consulting for a munitions firm? :-) > > Nah, I don't know enough about encryption ;-) > > But then again, ignorance doesn't seem to be an obstacle to most lobbyists > or salesmen! Reminds me of ye olde joke: > > Q. What's the difference between a used car salesman and a software > salesman? > > A. A used car salesman knows he's lying! A2. A used car salesman probably knows how to drive a car. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: TPC5
* Redvers Davies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels > > capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in > > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. > > One of the hotels in London I have had dealings with has conference facilities > and over 2000 rooms. I could look up their details should you wish. as long as its not that god awful place above ebookers, near russel square - the name escapes me, but i could well believe it has somewhere approaching 2000 (shit) rooms in both of the wings -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: TPC5
* Nathan Torkington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels > capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. > Really? Why does this not surprise about 10~20 people on this list? ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: TPC5
> Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels > capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. One of the hotels in London I have had dealings with has conference facilities and over 2000 rooms. I could look up their details should you wish.
Re: TPC5
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 11:28:06PM -, Andrew Bowman wrote: > From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels > > capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in > > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. > > What sort of numbers are we talking about then? > > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference > type facilities (also handy for the airport!). FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of London. Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at. dha -- David H. Adler - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Any sufficiently advanced technology is compatible with magic. - The Doctor, Seeing I
Re: TPC5
From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels > capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. What sort of numbers are we talking about then? If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference type facilities (also handy for the airport!). There are also a number of large and large-ish venues in London offering a variety of halls and facilities, e.g. Earls Court, Olympia, Wembley Conference Centre[1], The Business Design Centre in Islington, The Royal Horticultural Halls, Queen Elizabeth Conference Hall, Church House (or whatever it's called) etc. etc. HTH, Andrew. [1] Possibly closed just now for redevelopment.
Re: TPC5
From: "Paul Makepeace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Where you'll be consulting for a munitions firm? :-) Nah, I don't know enough about encryption ;-) But then again, ignorance doesn't seem to be an obstacle to most lobbyists or salesmen! Reminds me of ye olde joke: Q. What's the difference between a used car salesman and a software salesman? A. A used car salesman knows he's lying! Andrew.
Re: TPC5
Andrew Bowman writes: > London in September would be really good - the weather is generally very > pleasant (not too hot, not too cold, not too wet) and accomodation and > travel is cheaper for those coming from out of town... > > Even October would be okay - so long as it doesn't clash with the Liberal > Democrat Party Conference (okay, only joking! :-) Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. So perhaps London won't be the home after all ... Nat
Re: TPC5
From: "Andrew Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Even October would be okay - so long as it doesn't clash with the Liberal > Democrat Party Conference (okay, only joking! :-) Where you'll be consulting for a munitions firm? :-) Paul
Re: TPC5
From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > (update on the OScon in Europe thing--London in August seems to be > a bad idea, so we're looking elsewhere and elsewhen ...) London in September would be really good - the weather is generally very pleasant (not too hot, not too cold, not too wet) and accomodation and travel is cheaper for those coming from out of town... Even October would be okay - so long as it doesn't clash with the Liberal Democrat Party Conference (okay, only joking! :-) Andrew.
