TPC5 Attendees

2001-04-25 Thread Barbie

Just had a look at the registration for the forthcoming TPC5, and notice a
fair few London.pm'ers are attending. Nice :)

However, also had a look at the Hotel costs. Thankfully I wasn't drinking
anything at the time. Seeing as I'm having to pay for this years trip out of
my own pocket, would anyone be interested in sharing a room with a
Birmingham.pm'er? Or know of any other hotels (within walking distance from
the conference) that are cheaper?

Barbie.





Re: TPC5

2001-01-29 Thread DJ Adams

On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 12:28:03PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
 I want tutorial, paper, and talk proposals.  Tutorials are a half- or
 full-day.  Papers are 25 minutes long, and intended to be high-quality
 and academicish.  Talks can be more informal and are either 25, 40, or
 90 minutes in length.

Yay. Piers and I sent a presentation proposal last week. 

dj



Re: TPC5

2001-01-28 Thread DJ Adams

On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 02:26:07PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 
If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of
   central London
there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have
   sizeable conference
type facilities (also handy for the airport!).
  
   FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of
   London.  Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that
   matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at.
  
  Go to Brighton. It's nicer than London, on the sea, easy to get to from
  Gatwick, and has more pubs per head of population than any other town in
  Britain (I think, or maybe it was more pubs per square mile). It has
  conference facilities for all sizes (although I've no idea how booked up
  they get). And it's 55 minutes from London by train.
  
 
 And its handy for me.

And me!

dj



Re: TPC5

2001-01-26 Thread Chris Benson

On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 12:08:04PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
 
 Good point.  Sometimes it's hard to remember that there is life outside
 the M25.  Errm ... if you *really* want to have it in the UK, consider
 manchester and birmingham.  Both have international airports, large hotels
 and conference centres.  I expect Edinburgh does too although I'm not sure
 if there are direct flights to .us - but that's OK, there's no direct
 flights from .eu to Monterey :-)

And NCL (Newcastle) has 6 flights/day to Schiphol (a way better hub than
any of the London 'ports) and a *much* better QoL ... but it's a looong
way from the money.

And of course the Metro won't be on strike 3 Mondays in February either!
-- 
Chris Benson
- who needs to get to Liverpool St. for 0830 Monday 19th Feb :-(tm)



Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Nathan Torkington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
 capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
 fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.
 

Really? Why does this not surprise about 10~20 people on this list? ;-)

-- 
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Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Redvers Davies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
  capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
  fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.
 
 One of the hotels in London I have had dealings with has conference facilities
 and over 2000 rooms.  I could look up their details should you wish.

as long as its not that god awful place above ebookers, near russel square 
- the name escapes me, but i could well believe it has somewhere approaching
2000 (shit) rooms in both of the wings  

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Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Andrew Bowman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Where you'll be consulting for a munitions firm? :-)
 
 Nah, I don't know enough about encryption ;-)
 
 But then again, ignorance doesn't seem to be an obstacle to most lobbyists
 or salesmen! Reminds me of ye olde joke:
 
 Q. What's the difference between a used car salesman and a software
 salesman?
 
 A. A used car salesman knows he's lying!
A2. A used car salesman probably knows how to drive a car.

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote:
 (update on the OScon in Europe thing--London in August seems to be
 a bad idea, so we're looking elsewhere and elsewhen ...)

In case anybody is interested the Devon  Cornwall LUG will be helping
organise a S/West UK OSS Conference for local businesses and
academia. Anybody interested should contact myself and cc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to join the discussion.

We are also taking part in the linuxday nationwide installfest and if
anybody is in the area they are more than welcome to come and join in
(same contact details as above)

rgds,

A.

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"As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a 
complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal 
Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)






Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread David Cantrell

On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:22:07PM -0500, David H. Adler wrote:

 FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of
 London.  Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that
 matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at.

Good point.  Sometimes it's hard to remember that there is life outside
the M25.  Errm ... if you *really* want to have it in the UK, consider
manchester and birmingham.  Both have international airports, large hotels
and conference centres.  I expect Edinburgh does too although I'm not sure
if there are direct flights to .us - but that's OK, there's no direct
flights from .eu to Monterey :-)

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced



Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Andrew Bowman wrote:
  
  From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
   capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
   fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.
  
  What sort of numbers are we talking about then?
  
  If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London
  there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference
  type facilities (also handy for the airport!).
 
 What about Brighton ;-)
 

potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london

i was thinking about consultancies, and there are really two types and
two types of person who want to be create each type. and those two types
can be summarised as the two Steves, the question is what are people trying
to do - create a Jobs or a Wozniak consultancy?

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The Beach.

For some values of beach not including sand.

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Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:22:07PM -0500, David H. Adler wrote:
 
  FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of
  London.  Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that
  matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at.
 
 Good point.  Sometimes it's hard to remember that there is life outside
 the M25.  Errm ... if you *really* want to have it in the UK, consider
 manchester and birmingham.  Both have international airports, large hotels
 and conference centres.  I expect Edinburgh does too although I'm not sure
 if there are direct flights to .us - but that's OK, there's no direct
 flights from .eu to Monterey :-)

or better still consider Dublin or Edinburgh 

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



RE: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Peterson

  If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of
 central London
  there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have
 sizeable conference
  type facilities (also handy for the airport!).

 FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of
 London.  Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that
 matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at.

Go to Brighton. It's nicer than London, on the sea, easy to get to from
Gatwick, and has more pubs per head of population than any other town in
Britain (I think, or maybe it was more pubs per square mile). It has
conference facilities for all sizes (although I've no idea how booked up
they get). And it's 55 minutes from London by train.




Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Andrew Bowman wrote:
 
 There are also a number of large and large-ish venues in London offering a
 variety of halls and facilities, e.g. Earls Court, Olympia, Wembley
 Conference Centre[1], The Business Design Centre in Islington, The Royal
 Horticultural Halls, Queen Elizabeth Conference Hall, Church House (or
 whatever it's called) etc. etc.
 

ISPcon europe was in the Novotel at Hammersmith in 1999 ISTR

/J\
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RE: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

   If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of
  central London
   there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have
  sizeable conference
   type facilities (also handy for the airport!).
 
  FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of
  London.  Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that
  matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at.
 
 Go to Brighton. It's nicer than London, on the sea, easy to get to from
 Gatwick, and has more pubs per head of population than any other town in
 Britain (I think, or maybe it was more pubs per square mile). It has
 conference facilities for all sizes (although I've no idea how booked up
 they get). And it's 55 minutes from London by train.
 

And its handy for me.

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |   
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one 
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |





Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, David H. Adler wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 11:28:06PM -, Andrew Bowman wrote:
  From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
   capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
   fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.
  
  What sort of numbers are we talking about then?
  
  If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London
  there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference
  type facilities (also handy for the airport!).
 
 FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of
 London.  Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that
 matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at.
 

Well there's Blackpool, Brighton, Eastbourne, Bournemouth, Harrogate,
Birmingham ...  (spot the odd one out :)

/J\
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http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one 
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Conultancy discussion (was Re: TPC5)

2001-01-21 Thread Neil Ford

* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Andrew Bowman wrote:
  
   From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.
  
   What sort of numbers are we talking about then?
  
   If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London
   there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have 
sizeable conference
   type facilities (also handy for the airport!).

  What about Brighton ;-)


potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london

Seeing as this was about TPC, interesting subject change :-)

The obvious answer to this is "depends where your customers are". 
Being out side London works for my friend Nik, but then he's 
targetting customers to the south of London and along the South 
Coast. Customers in Central London would definitely prefer a 
consultancy so located.

i was thinking about consultancies, and there are really two types and
two types of person who want to be create each type. and those two types
can be summarised as the two Steves, the question is what are people trying
to do - create a Jobs or a Wozniak consultancy?

Interesting question. I have both men to thank for an awful lot (the 
Apple II got me into computing, the mac is by far my most favourite 
machine) and whilst I would quite like to meet both, Woz is 
definitely the man I identify with most.

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.binky.ourshack.org



Re: Conultancy discussion (was Re: TPC5)

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens

On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 04:50:39PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london
  Seeing as this was about TPC, interesting subject change :-)
 apologise for that i've rejoined (void) and once again regard all mailing lists
 as one big holistic stream ;-)

Ah, they all come back in the end...

Michael



Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg Cope

Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 
 On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 
If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of
   central London
there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have
   sizeable conference
type facilities (also handy for the airport!).
  
   FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of
   London.  Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that
   matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at.
 
  Go to Brighton. It's nicer than London, on the sea, easy to get to from
  Gatwick, and has more pubs per head of population than any other town in
  Britain (I think, or maybe it was more pubs per square mile). It has
  conference facilities for all sizes (although I've no idea how booked up
  they get). And it's 55 minutes from London by train.
 
 
 And its handy for me.
 

And me ;-)

Greg


 /J\
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Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg Cope

Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 
 Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  The Beach.
 
 For some values of beach not including sand.
 

Don't start that argument.

I spend many an hour - recently opcodes clicked whilst on the beach  -
and watching three nutters go for a swim !

Greg


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Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg Cope

Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 
   If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of
  central London
   there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have
  sizeable conference
   type facilities (also handy for the airport!).
 
  FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of
  London.  Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that
  matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at.
 
 Go to Brighton. It's nicer than London, on the sea, easy to get to from
 Gatwick, and has more pubs per head of population than any other town in
 Britain (I think, or maybe it was more pubs per square mile). It has
 conference facilities for all sizes (although I've no idea how booked up
 they get). And it's 55 minutes from London by train.

47 mins actually - although this time is now theoretical due to the
train problems.

Also brighton has a very / extremely high number of places to eat
(cafe||restaurants).

Only 25 mins from the secound biggest airport in the UK, which is nearer
than London.

Greg



Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg Cope

Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
 * Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Andrew Bowman wrote:
  
   From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.
  
   What sort of numbers are we talking about then?
  
   If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London
   there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference
   type facilities (also handy for the airport!).
 
  What about Brighton ;-)
 
 
 potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london
 

Have you heard of Victoria Real - the people behind amonst other things
big browers website ?

I think Location in this day an age is a little irrelivant.  The choice
will be made on quality of service - not where the office is based. 
Although I agree that some people may be a little biased.

The south coast has a very high number of nu media companies - and
apparently Worthing is the most profitable town / area in the UK.

It is often easier to get to some London Locations from Brighton than it
is from London.

 i was thinking about consultancies, and there are really two types and
 two types of person who want to be create each type. and those two types
 can be summarised as the two Steves, the question is what are people trying
 to do - create a Jobs or a Wozniak consultancy?

You've lost me there ?

 
 --
 Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
  potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london
  

 I think Location in this day an age is a little irrelivant.  The choice
 will be made on quality of service - not where the office is based. 
 

... and all the clients will be logically thinking young people. with
no biases and no predefined stereotypes. they will make sure they pay
there bills on time and they will not be trying to fuck you from day 1.

unfortunatly any startup company that is not backed with serious capital
needs to accept almost every job it can get, and if it cant get most
of them due to some middleaged business man's discrimination against
it - due to the fact that the office is in brighton, or they don't
have an office or they don't wear suits or whatever, it won't survive.

i agree with you logically but i see a big difference in reality.

 The south coast has a very high number of nu media companies - and
 apparently Worthing is the most profitable town / area in the UK.

however, the major (only?) resource that this theoretical company has is
people and most of them are london based anyway so anywhere outside the
M25 is probably not going to leverage the main resource and the company
would be dead from day #1

however on a trivia note, i'd be willing to bet that _the_ city makes the most 
profit per area in the UK, but thats a trivia point


 It is often easier to get to some London Locations from Brighton than it
 is from London.
 
  i was thinking about consultancies, and there are really two types and
  two types of person who want to be create each type. and those two types
  can be summarised as the two Steves, the question is what are people trying
  to do - create a Jobs or a Wozniak consultancy?
 
 You've lost me there ?
 

ok, ignoring the other figures and concetrating on the two steves ...

Woz was an A class engineer and C/D class business guy 
Jobs was a B class engineer but also a B class business guy
 and marketeer (bullshitter)

if they seperatly formed companys Woz would create the most technically
brilliant corporatopia (i just made that up ;-) ), Jobs would make the
most money - i'm certainly arguing in this ``debate'' (although that
implies too much conflict) that job's way is best others may feel woz's
way is best

Greg   


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Re: TPC5

2001-01-20 Thread Andrew Bowman

From: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Where you'll be consulting for a munitions firm? :-)

Nah, I don't know enough about encryption ;-)

But then again, ignorance doesn't seem to be an obstacle to most lobbyists
or salesmen! Reminds me of ye olde joke:

Q. What's the difference between a used car salesman and a software
salesman?

A. A used car salesman knows he's lying!

Andrew.





Re: TPC5

2001-01-20 Thread Andrew Bowman

From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
 capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
 fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.

What sort of numbers are we talking about then?

If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London
there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference
type facilities (also handy for the airport!).

There are also a number of large and large-ish venues in London offering a
variety of halls and facilities, e.g. Earls Court, Olympia, Wembley
Conference Centre[1], The Business Design Centre in Islington, The Royal
Horticultural Halls, Queen Elizabeth Conference Hall, Church House (or
whatever it's called) etc. etc.

HTH,

Andrew.

[1]  Possibly closed just now for redevelopment.





Re: TPC5

2001-01-20 Thread David H. Adler

On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 11:28:06PM -, Andrew Bowman wrote:
 From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
  capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
  fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.
 
 What sort of numbers are we talking about then?
 
 If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London
 there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference
 type facilities (also handy for the airport!).

FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of
London.  Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that
matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at.

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Any sufficiently advanced technology is compatible with magic.
- The Doctor, Seeing I



Re: TPC5

2001-01-20 Thread Redvers Davies

 Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
 capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
 fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.

One of the hotels in London I have had dealings with has conference facilities
and over 2000 rooms.  I could look up their details should you wish.