You are missing the point.
You are talking to the few hundred people on Earth who play old lute
pieces...
Imagine Average Joe of today with a score of a Beatles song.
Yeah.
On 05.06.20 18:23, G. C. wrote:
So people on this list, are playing Renaissance and Baroque music
> >>>time to time.
> > >>>Petyer Steur suggests the lute piece on f.26v (Gigue de
> > >Angelin de
> > >>>Rome) is by A M Bartolotii but this may be simply
> > speculation
> > >>
they
>>surely
>>>play
>>>>and
>>>> sound like Bartolotti.
>>>> Is there any other theorbo player from that time
that we
>>
So people on this list, are playing Renaissance and Baroque music
because they have the records? H
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If we didn't have recordings, people would have to play them on
instruments...
I think many of those songs would have disappeared already...
On 05.06.20 18:03, G. C. wrote:
What are 80 years? We are still enjoying playing and listening to
Beatles and Stones music, near 60 years
What are 80 years? We are still enjoying playing and listening to
Beatles and Stones music, near 60 years old. And even older Jazz
music. Why would people in the 17th century have been any different?
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lto:rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org > wrote:
> >>> While the unascribed pieces could by someone else, they
> >surely
> > >play
> >>>and
> >>> sound like Bartolotti.
> >>>
Am Freitag, 05. Juni 2020 12:27 CEST, Monica Hall
schrieb:
> To be honest I don't think it is the usual classic scholarly course to
> attempt to date a source by its contents and style. Someone on an earlier
> occasion on the list commented
That's what I just wanted to reply as well.
>
we
>know
>>of, who
>> > could match the style and technique of these pieces?
>>> r
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>>> While the unascribed pieces could by someone else, they
>surely
>>play
>>>and
>>> sound like Bartolotti.
>>> Is there any other theorbo player from that time that we
>know
>
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>> From: [1][3][5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
> > <[2][4][6]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dart
of these pieces?
>> r
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>> From: [1][3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
>> <[2][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.da
;<[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Monica Hall <[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>,
>Roland Hayes <[8]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
>>Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
>>
>>?space?-- Dear Roland,
> Bartolotti's pre
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>
>> Original message
>>From: Martyn Hodgson <[4]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>
>>Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020, 08:21
>>To: [5]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de, LuteList
><[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Monica Hall &
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> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
>
> ?space?-- Dear Roland,
Bartolotti's precise dates seem unknown at present but c.1630 -
1682
may be a reasonab
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>Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
>
>?space?-- Dear Roland,
Bartolotti's precise dates seem unknown at p
>
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>
>
> Original message
> From: Martyn Hodgson
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020, 08:21
> To: yuval.dvo...@posteo.de, LuteList , Monica Hall
> , Roland Hayes
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti m
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> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
> Thanks for this.
> I have the Moscardi edition but he doesn't give any reasons for
> thinking the piec
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
Thanks for this.
I have the Moscardi edition but he doesn't give any reasons for
thinking the pieces are by Bartolotti.
Unfortunately with lockdown I can't visit the library
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on behalf of Monica Hall
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 3:10:50 PM
To: yuval.dvo...@posteo.de ; LuteList
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
Thanks for this.
I have
Thanks for this.
I have the Moscardi edition but he doesn't give any reasons for thinking the
pieces are by Bartolotti.
Unfortunately with lockdown I can't visit the library to check any other
sources but if I do eventually find some evidence I will let you know.
Cheers
Monica
> On 04 June 2020
Maybe it's worth to take a look on some of the literature? There is:
Boetticher: RISM B VII, p. 351-352 (rather useless, but he gives a bunch
of literature which I don't know)
Meyer (ed.): Sources Manuscrites en Tablature III/1, S. 121-125 (he
doesn't give any information on the other theorbo
Thanks Martyn
That's very helpful.
Regards
Monica
> On 04 June 2020 at 14:35 Martyn Hodgson
> wrote:
>
>
>Dear Monica,
>No - I don't know if there are any grounds for attributing the other
>tiorba pieces in this Ms to Bartolotti other than, of course, being
>adjacent in the
Dear Monica,
No - I don't know if there are any grounds for attributing the other
tiorba pieces in this Ms to Bartolotti other than, of course, being
adjacent in the same Ms. Incidentally the attribution of the Allemande
(Allemanda di Angelo Michiele) is on f.89r. not 92r.
The
I'm just googling around for Bartolotti's works and I only found paid versions
on sites that just repost the faksimile. Would anybody here have a link to an
online downloadable source of either book (Florence 1640 and Rome 1655)?
Jurgen
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I think, Dominic doesn't want to play from an edition without knowing
the original tablature.
So he is looking for the two mentioned mss..
I just provided him with the A-Wn17706.
best regards
Bernd
Am 09.12.2012 01:16, schrieb T.Kakinami:
I’m not sure your concern.
I’m not sure your concern.
http://lutegroup.ning.com/forum/topics/bartolotti-theorbo-music
Kakinami
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dominic robillard
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 5:12 AM
To: Lute List
Subject: [LUTE]
Massimo Moscardo has two of his Bartolotti edition pieces from A-Wn
17706 on YouTube.
Prelude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hVNmvtDuDc
Allemande
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOG9N9VQ8kQ
The same Allemande performed by Rémi Cassaigne (also with what I
believe is the wrong first note)
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Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - date of Allemande
To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, Monica Hall
mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Monday, 22 March, 2010, 20:59
I've lost the thread
Message -
From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; chriswi...@yahoo.com
Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:22 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - date of Allemande
Just to speak about the theorbo pieces
the
other theorbo pieces are by some
other than 'Angelo Michiele' -
whoever this may be..
--- On Mon, 22/3/10, chriswi...@yahoo.com
chriswi...@yahoo.com
wrote:
From: chriswi...@yahoo.com
chriswi...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti
- date of Allemande
, March 23, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - date of Allemande
What about the pieces in Goess? They have been brought up in this thread
but I'm still not clear if there's any consensus about AM's authorship.
Chris
--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar
...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: chriswi...@yahoo.com chriswi...@yahoo.com
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - date of Allemande
To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk, Martyn Hodgson
hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 12:18
: Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti
To:
Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Sunday, 21 March, 2010, 17:36
OK, here is an idea. In the so called Swan manuscript (St-Petersburg,
the library of the academy of science) some of the lute pieces appear
That's very interesting. Would the fact that Bartolotti was Italian
make any difference?
As ever
Monica
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From: [1]Martyn Hodgson
To: [2]Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - copy
by Ginter.
The hand for most of the lute pieces looks, at least to me, identical
with that in the theorbo pieces.
.
--- On Mon, 22/3/10, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - copy of relevant page
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From: [1]Martyn Hodgson
To: [2]Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - copy of relevant page
Well,
yle of the only theorbo work with the possible name of our man
attached
CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - copy of relevant page
Of course - but in any case, ignore the last which was sent by me in
error - I meant to press the save draft key whilst I dug out Hurel
but
must have
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Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:26 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - date of Allemande
This observation was, as you saw, entirely speculative and aimed to
elicit any observations. But even so it led to no response as I recall
- except now! So thank you Monica
!
As ever
Monica
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To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; Monica Hall
mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:59 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - date of Allemande
I've lost
Those numbers below chords are curious. My first inclination was to
consider them indications on how to break the chords (like the
shorthand used in earlier Italian sources), but breaking a two note
chord in the middle of system 5 in 3 does seem curious. The
numbers, as far as I can see, are
Larson rockype...@earthlink.net
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Cc: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti
Those numbers below chords are curious. My first inclination was to
consider them indications on how to break the chords (like
OK, here is an idea. In the so called Swan manuscript (St-Petersburg,
the library of the academy of science) some of the lute pieces appear to
be re-adapted to play on baryton, or, indeed, on either. I don't have a
copy of this MS with me at the moment but if the memory serves me right
(I used
: Mathias RAP:sel mathias.roe...@t-online.de
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti
To: John Lenti johnle...@hotmail.com
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Friday, 19 March, 2010, 18:46
There's a compiled edition available from the French Lute Society. See
[1
There's a compiled edition available from the French Lute Society. See
http://www.sf-luth.org/en/?%26nbsp%3BMusical_Publications/Le_Secret_des_Muses
Volume 15 : A. M. Bartolotti, Pièces pour théorbe, 36 original pieces
and transcriptions from the 2nd book for guitar. By Massimo Moscardo.
Paris
Thanks, Mathias!
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Bartolotti
From: mathias.roe...@t-online.de
To: johnle...@hotmail.com
CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:46:00 +
There's a compiled edition available from the French Lute Society.
See
Dear Monica,
A hearty thank you for putting all this fascinating stuff online. Don't worry,
some will enjoy it, I already do !
Thanks for sharing all this tremendous amount of work.
All the best,
Jean-Marie
=== 04-10-2008 21:56:27 ===
Dear List
I now have on my web page a
Monica,
I play these with two fingers (index followed by middle) in one up stroke but
slightly seperating the two. One could use thumb and finger rather than
two fingers but I feel this is a bit heavy for a light up stroke.
Martyn
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