[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem

2020-09-08 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:18 AM, Rainer wrote: > > According to a source I cannot remember the Sonata lasted 55 minutes when > played by Liszt. Liszt said something of the sort in a letter written 40 years after the performance Berlioz reviewed. For all we know, he hadn’t played it in years an

[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem

2020-09-07 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Rainer wrote: > > As an illustration see the incredible https://youtu.be/NmI_ALcEGUw And so I learn that there really is a pianist named Vincenzo Maltempo. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.htm

[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem

2020-09-07 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Rainer wrote: > > Even List could not play the Hammerklavier Sonate at Beethoven's metronome > markings - if they are meant as they are today. Hector Berlioz seems to indicate otherwise in an 1836 review of a Liszt concert in the La Revue et Gazette musicale de

[LUTE] Re: future of the lute

2020-08-27 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 27, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Is Milse Póg wrote: > > I am a young amateur lute player (just 21), so I guess I am a part of > the next generation of players. I think the lute will continue to be > played for the foreseeable future, since there's always someone strange > enough to fall in

[LUTE] Re: future of the lute

2020-08-26 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 26, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Richard Brook > wrote: > > I note Henry VIII (source: Hilary Mantel) executed a lute player for sleeping > (so Henry claimed) with Anne Boleyn. That would be Mark Smeaton; hence Theodore’s foreboding about a Smeaton-themed movie. But it has more or less happened

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance Music in Rock

2020-08-19 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > Yeah I wonder why it was dubbed progressive. > > All the bands like Gentle Giant etc. were heavily influenced by > Classical Music, mostly Baroque and Renaissance... It was “progressive” because it moved away from the basic blue

[LUTE] Re: Giononcelli

2020-07-22 Thread howard posner
There’s a Gianoncelli manuscript? Or do you mean engraved 1650 publication “Il Liuto”? > On Jul 22, 2020, at 1:41 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > I have nice digital copies of the first suite in Giononcelli’s ms. I > don’t know where I got them. They are much better than my 40 year old > faded p

[LUTE] Re: Lute strap

2020-05-22 Thread howard posner
> On May 22, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Christopher Stetson > wrote: > > Hi, all. I've been playing without a strap since 1974. It is possible. Arthur: Ah. Look, the statue. How do get the cup bit to stay where it is, unsupported? Wise Old Bird: It stays there because it’s artistically right. Art

[LUTE] Re: Nigel concert

2020-05-18 Thread howard posner
> On May 18, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: > > OK, Nigel’s part isn’t live (there’s a full audience) but it’s still Weiss! I looked around after the first WTF moment seeing all those real persons, and found this on the BLEMF website: "To keep us all in the mood for live performances,

[LUTE] Re: Things to play in quarantine

2020-03-25 Thread howard posner
Very informative, thank you > On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Bill Eisele wrote: > > Unfortunately, the problem you're describing is caused by latency over the > internet. So, teleconferencing apps like FaceTime, Zoom, and Skype won't > allow you to play with other musicians. It will definitely

[LUTE] Re: Things to play in quarantine

2020-03-23 Thread howard posner
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:12 AM, Diego Cantalupi wrote: > > Each one with his/her phone. > > Il 23/03/2020 16:11, Dr. Henner Kahlert ha scritto: >> Wonderful! With which device did you manage to play and record this? Could you share how you did it? Two days ago I tried to lead our small congr

[LUTE] Re: Realizing a passible continuo line...

2020-02-04 Thread howard posner
> On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Mark Probert wrote: > > Suppose I given a piece of early > Baroque music, take Monteverdi's duet "Ardo e scoprir"[1] by way of > specific example, and I want to create a passable continuo line to > support the singers (potentially with me singing one of lines).

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name - Postludium to the CODA

2020-01-09 Thread howard posner
> On Jan 9, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Antonio Corona > wrote: > > it would be very tempting to identify the viola they mentions as a vihuela. What else could it be? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Milan's name

2020-01-05 Thread howard posner
On Jan 5, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Antonio Corona wrote: > Luis Milán, Libro de motes (1535): Don Luys Milan > > Luis Milán, El Maestro (1535-36): Luys Milan > > Luis Milán, El cortesano (1561): Don Luys Milan > > Juan Fernández de Heredia, Las obras ... (1562): Don Luys Milan > > Gaspar Gil Polo

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino

2019-11-19 Thread howard posner
> On Nov 17, 2019, at 8:47 AM, yuval.dvo...@posteo.de wrote: > > I was offered a Tiorbino, and I'm wondering what one can do with it (except > of playing Bellerofonte-Castaldi): Are there any proofs that it was used for > playing solo instead of a big theorbo or for playing continuo? Probably n

[LUTE] Re: Continuo (defined)

2019-09-12 Thread Howard Posner
The rhythm guitar and bass Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2019, at 14:02, Leonard Williams > wrote: > > If one is trying to explain the concept of continuo on theorbo to a > non-early music person, would it be safe to compare it to the rhythm > guitarist in a modern band? > Leonard W

[LUTE] Re: The Lord my careful Shepherd is

2019-09-07 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 7, 2019, at 4:54 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > Yes, the fact that it may have > been written in at a later day was obvious and I was surprised you > overlooked the fact. I'm just wondering why you mentioned this to the > list. For the same reason Rainer often mentions things to th

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 18, 2019, at 2:06 PM, David Van Edwards wrote: > > The Tielke is a bizarre German baroque swan neck > style job with an extremely long neck probably > the result of a conversion by Bachmann in 1760. > > The Tieffenbrucker is another swan neck > instrument resulting from a conversion

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 18, 2019, at 10:22 AM, David Van Edwards > wrote: > > There are of course several luiti attiorbati in > Paris with 7 fingered courses but one of them > looks a bit theorbo-ish and might be the one > you're thinking of. It's anonymous E.25 (C228) 13 > courses 1x1, 6x2 @ 710mm + 6x2

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 17, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Luca Manassero wrote: > > if all chitarroni I see in museums had 6 single or double > courses (I think I remember one with seven fretted courses at the Cité > del la Musique in Paris, but I'm not sure thou), WHY ON EARTH do I see > almost all chitarroni with

[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

2019-08-02 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 2, 2019, at 1:50 AM, Matthew Daillie wrote: > > There are passages in pieces by Vallet where he indicates a thumb-index > alternation in diminutions on the 4th to 6th courses of the lute but this > does not mean that he was using thumb-in (since he seems to specifically to > deride

[LUTE] Re: Torah

2019-08-02 Thread howard posner
Yes, it was definitely the Talmud that Alkan was almost certainly not trying to reach when the bookcase almost certainly did not fall on him. While Tristan has a point, facetious I’m sure, about the collective weight of the Talmud being potentially fatal, it’s a bunch of volumes, so if it falls

[LUTE] Re: Torah

2019-08-01 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > This 19th century pianist and composer died crushed by the fall of his > private library's (heavy) bookshelf as he was trying to reach the Torah on > the top shelf? Not to be a killjoy, but: "He remained a strict member of the Jewish fait

[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

2019-08-01 Thread howard posner
OK, I stand corrected. > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:18 AM, howard posner wrote: > > I’m not aware of anyone on this stating categorically that thumb-in is > anathema on the d-minor lute. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

2019-08-01 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:42 AM, G. C. wrote: > > Always happy for answers And I’m happy to oblige with some of my favorite answers: “It’s in his kiss” "O, reason not the need: our basest beggars Are in the poorest thing superfluous." “Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" "Put a piece of cheese on the flo

[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

2019-08-01 Thread howard posner
I’m not aware of anyone on this stating categorically that thumb-in is anathema on the d-minor lute. But I could easily have missed it, or deleted it and forgotten about it. I tend not to waste time dealing with categorical statements about how every player in history played the same way. And

[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

2019-08-01 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:17 AM, G. C. wrote: > > I thought thumb in on baroque lute was considered anathema? Considered by whom? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: M. H. L.

2019-07-29 Thread howard posner
> On Jul 29, 2019, at 2:18 AM, Yuval Dvoran wrote: > > I never met him before, unfortunately. And it’s a waste of time calling up his social secretary to arrange an introduction now. > Is there any edition of his works or an important manuscript with his works? Varietie of Lute Lessons has a

[LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament)

2019-07-26 Thread howard posner
You might want to reread the part about using your ears. “Precise fret positions” is an irrelevant concept if you tune by actually listening; that’s why your repeated demands for numbers are going unanswered. > On Jul 26, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Martyn Hodgson > wrote: > > Thank you Stephan, >

[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-23 Thread howard posner
> On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > I have a practical question : is it common practice for Baroque lute players > to also adjust their frets when they change their diapason tuning? No, it’s common practice to tune the diapasons to the fretted notes if tuning them to G, Ab

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-23 Thread howard posner
The biter was a violinist. The bitee was Weiss. > On Jul 23, 2019, at 8:45 AM, theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu wrote: > > Didn't a musician (lute player?) try to bite the thumb off another > musician? I can't remember the details- > I bet the disagreement was over tempered tuning.

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-22 Thread howard posner
You might go back and listen to the first F chord, the fourth note of the piece, in the quarter-comma tuning a few times, then listen to the same chord in any of the other meantone tunings. It’s weird to the point of dissonance in the quarter-comma version, and very different from the others.

[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-22 Thread howard posner
ay. I said that musicians who understand > music and wish to explore the more interesting repertory temper their > instrument according to Galilei's precepts. I stand by my words as I > originally stated. No subtlety. No spin. Go back to work. > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.

[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-22 Thread howard posner
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 5:01 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > I am very good at distilling complex ideas into concise terms . . . > What I do not value is the manner in which various players claim authority by > stating that their particular approach is the one true way. But you’re the one who just

[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-21 Thread howard posner
> On Jul 20, 2019, at 4:22 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > musicians who > understand music and who explore the more interesting repertory for > lute follow the precepts of Galilei, which approximates equal > temperament. You just trashed most of the best musicians in early music, and, apparen

[LUTE] Re: All music (was Siena Manuscript No. 17 - Ricercar)

2019-07-15 Thread howard posner
> On Jul 15, 2019, at 8:44 AM, theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu wrote: > > I would posit that the father has a much higher probability > of being more accurate, in that 'all pop music sounds the same', or > certainly -much- pop music sounds the same, no? I couldn’t tell you. First, you

[LUTE] All music (was Siena Manuscript No. 17 - Ricercar)

2019-07-15 Thread howard posner
On 13.07.19 19:30, John Mardinly wrote: > My teenage daughter says all classical music sounds the same. I tell > her all pop music sounds the same. Who is right? Ooh, easy one: You’re both wrong. You’re both making sweeping categorical statements based on insufficient information. You, P

[LUTE] Rite of Spring (was Siena Manuscript No. 17 before being hijacked to India)

2019-07-13 Thread howard posner
On Jul 13, 2019, at 3:37 AM, Daniel Shoskes, with admirable conciseness, wrote: > https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/queen-we-are-champions-rite-of-spring/ I hear the correspondence of some of the notes of the opening of Rite of Spring with the chorus of We Are the Champions, but don’t h

[LUTE] Re: Tailpieces (was Plucking Room)

2019-07-01 Thread howard posner
> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:15 AM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > Is the typo intentional? (Just wondering how much irreparable damage shawms > and tubas can really cause…) Judging from the editorial accuracy of my posts last night, the damage was to my eyes. > On 6/30/19 7:43 PM

[LUTE] Re: Plucking Room

2019-06-30 Thread howard posner
Geez, speaking of not editing and not knowing what someone is trying to say… Here’s my last post corrected so as not to be gibberish, or at least not obviously gibberish: We need to be wary of statements in Lundberg’s book, inasmuch as he died without finishing it and the publisher(s) chose to

[LUTE] Re: Plucking Room

2019-06-30 Thread howard posner
My 1980 Lundberg archlute is pretty much scoopless. I find the lack of scoop a minor inconvenience; we get used to the instruments we play. But when Paul O’Dette borrowed it to play a concerto years ago, his fingers hit the top a good deal, it got a bit percussive at times. To get on or off

[LUTE] Tailpieces (was Plucking Room)

2019-06-30 Thread howard posner
> John Mardinly wrote: > The big question that I have never had answered is why do plucked string > instruments have the string tension carried by the soundboard itself, instead > of having the string tension carried by the body of the instrument via a > tailpiece the way violins, violas, cell

[LUTE] Re: Plucking Room

2019-06-30 Thread howard posner
We need to be wary of statements in Lundberg’s book, inasmuch as he died without finishing it and the publisher(s) chose to present it as is, although there are some things in it that he could not possibly have meant, such as “The one lute-family instrument being built during this period is the

[LUTE] Re: how about changing the subject too!

2019-06-28 Thread howard posner
What’s wrong with “was,” other than the possibility that it will offend any ancient Romans on the list? > On Jun 28, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Leonard Williams > wrote: > > I believe the way to treat a changing subject is with the magic word > "olim", which is Latin for something like "used to be".

[LUTE] Asteroid heading for Earth! We're all doomed!

2019-06-28 Thread howard posner
I agree with David’s disagreement. And, obviously, with Wayne’s remarks about changing subject lines. > On Jun 28, 2019, at 9:06 AM, David Smith wrote: > > One reason, perhaps, that it has not changed is that some of us do not agree > with the idea of removing all context of an email message.

[LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute

2019-06-19 Thread howard posner
On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:49 AM, Franz Mechsner wrote: > Apart from my really deep admiration for Bream, I asked a very simple > question: How did he get the marvellous sound and colors from a lute > with his fingernails? No you didn’t. Your four previous posts on this subject did not mentio

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-07 Thread howard posner
> On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > Yes, but the question must be, dialect from where exactly? Regional > dialects have always varied significantly and it is really a vain > effort to think we can impose one true historical pronunciation upon > the whole of the past. T

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-06 Thread howard posner
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 7:04 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > >> >> For what it’s worth, in Shakespeare’s sonnets: >> >> Wind (in the sense of air blowing) rhymes with find and mind. > > That is the information I was looking for. Thank you Howard. You’re welcome, but it isn’t necessarily the informat

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme

2019-06-06 Thread howard posner
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > wanted to know which word changes so that winde and kinde rhyme. If you’re asking which word is pronounced as in modern English (in what accent? Australia? Mississippi?) the answer may be neither. For what it’s worth, in Shakespeare’s son

[LUTE] Re: De Visee

2019-05-27 Thread howard posner
> On May 27, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > I visited a violin and ukelele maker here in Japan who used a plant as > sandpaper. He grew it right outside the door. Yes, he’s famous for taking wood and nearly-finished instruments and rubbing them up against that pine tree outside his

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-26 Thread howard posner
> On May 26, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Jacob Johnson wrote: > > it does seem a bit strange to say that Now O Now could not possibly > have been written prior to 1597. Has anyone said that? Dowland’s preface says that most of his songs should be “ripe enough by their age” to have achieved populari

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-26 Thread howard posner
> On May 26, 2019, at 11:18 AM, Jacob Johnson wrote: > > Thank you all for the information! It's a good point that attempts at > courting Francis ended in 1585, The man died in 1584. > and that the First Booke was not > published for another 15 years. Still, the Frogg Galliard appears in >

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-26 Thread howard posner
> On May 26, 2019, at 1:48 AM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > The negociations for Elizabeth to marry Francis finally failed in 1582, 15 > years before the First book of songes was published. There is no mention in > "Now o Now" of how ugly Francis was (dwarfish, with severe scars from the > small po

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-26 Thread howard posner
> On May 25, 2019, at 11:56 PM, Jacob Johnson wrote: > > Has anyone suggested that "Now O Now" and the Frogg Galliard might be > in reference to Elizabeth's "on again, off again" courtship with > Francis, Duke of Anjou? Yes, anyone has suggested this. It comes up on this list from time to

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-25 Thread howard posner
> On May 25, 2019, at 12:39 PM, guy_and_liz Smith wrote: > > At a seminar I attended some years ago, Pat O'Brien made a plausible case > that Can She Excuse (which is based on the Earl of Essex galliard) is a > veiled reference to the relationship between Elizabeth and Robert, Earl of > Essex.

[LUTE] Re: Dürer's African Man and Neusiedler's weird dances

2019-05-23 Thread howard posner
On May 22, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: > But then I played a "Court Dance" from Hans Neusidler's book. > > The guy next to me said - "Hey, this is our culture! I know this!". > > I was confused, and put this into the "universal music" box. > > Today, I played through Vol. 6

[LUTE] Re: Funky Chords in Lute Literature

2019-05-11 Thread howard posner
Kapsberger’s Colascione comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhuwIBKkdPc&frags=pl%2Cwn > On May 11, 2019, at 2:02 PM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > The interesting thing about it is the use of power chords. I am sure > this would sound great on an Electric Guitar. If someone want

[LUTE] Re: How to improve lute performance

2019-05-11 Thread howard posner
> On May 11, 2019, at 9:21 PM, John Mardinly wrote: > > Amazing. I was looking closely to see if any of them played with nails, and > one guy played with GLOVES! He had to. He’d broken a nail. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/i

[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck

2019-03-23 Thread Howard Posner
I’d have asked him the question I asked you. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 23, 2019, at 18:02, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > Pat's opinion re the luthier's fault. > RT > >> On 3/23/2019 7:01 PM, howard posner wrote: >> What do you base that conclusion on? &g

[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck

2019-03-23 Thread howard posner
n it, and that is said to be significant in a neck >>> that is only 66.7cm. >>> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. >>> On Mar 23, 2019, at 2:22 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> >>> wrote: >>>On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manasse

[LUTE] Heavy theorbo neck

2019-03-23 Thread howard posner
> On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero wrote: > > I‘m about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss > theorbo, as the instrument has a fantastic voice, but Hasenfuss built a > very heavy long neck, so it is really painful to homd during concerts. > A lighter neck sh

[LUTE] Re: 5c guitar case recommendation

2019-03-15 Thread howard posner
I recently undertook a similar quest. A classical guitar case can be adapted for a baroque guitar by using a high-tech invention called a “towel” to take up the extra space and keep the instrument from moving. And of course, you’ll always know where your towel is. Cheers, Douglas Adams > O

[LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky

2019-03-06 Thread howard posner
> On Mar 6, 2019, at 5:02 PM, lex.eisenhardt wrote: > > Have a look at my recent Visée video, on YT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AEos1CGhTM&frags=pl%2Cwn To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky

2019-03-05 Thread howard posner
> On Mar 5, 2019, at 2:09 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > Pat actually had me put masking tape on my pinky early on, > to prevent it from bending. Yes, shaking hands with Roman was always a strange experience for that reason. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.d

[LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky

2019-03-04 Thread howard posner
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 7:12 PM, Richard Brook wrote: > > Heard via the late great Pat OBrien Paul O’Dette couldn’t bend that finger > down by itself. To be clear, in Paul’s younger days he had the not-uncommon problem of having the left-hand pinky stick up when it wasn’t in use, which kept the

[LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky

2019-03-04 Thread howard posner
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > Anybody remembers the title of that American series from the 60s-70s where > aliens live among us in disguise, and the only sure way to identify them is > that they cannot bend their little finger? >From the Wikipedia page about The Invad

[LUTE] Re: Thomson, Haydn, Beethoven (was Barbara Allen)

2019-02-05 Thread howard posner
> On Feb 5, 2019, at 3:05 PM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > One point Howard makes is that Beethoven wanted more money than Haydn because > he added both a violin and bass line. First it is a fascinating -- if down > to earth -- insight on how musicians made (or begged or haggled for) a > living.

[LUTE] Thomson, Haydn, Beethoven (was Barbara Allen)

2019-02-05 Thread howard posner
> On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:38 AM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > I suspected I was a bit overly paranoid. Not really, given the number of works falsely attributed to Haydn. > It seems to me like an easy job for the composer and a lucrative thing for > the publisher who is able to put a famous composer

[LUTE] Re: Barbara Allen

2019-02-04 Thread howard posner
> > On Feb 4, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > I am looking at an 18th century setting of the Scottish ballad "Barbara > Allen". How credible is the "Harmonized by Joseph Haydn" credit? It's on > IMLSP at: > https://imslp.org/wiki/Barbara_Allen%2C_Hob.XXXIa:11_(Haydn%2C_Joseph) Very

[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle

2019-01-13 Thread howard posner
> On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:56 PM, > wrote: > > I'm sure everyone will be horrified, but I use Ominflex 25lb test nylon > fishing line (from WalMart: about 2 or 3 dollars for a lifetime supply : ) Yes, I do find Walmart a bit horrifying. To get on or off this list see list information at htt

[LUTE] Re: Tonality in the Baroque

2019-01-09 Thread howard posner
> On Jan 9, 2019, at 3:53 PM, Ralf Mattes wrote: > >> although, like a lot of Fux’s book, it was very old fashioned in 1704. > > ??? Whut? That system was widely used well into the 19th (!sic) century. It's > just that a lot of researches tend to skip the > early chapters of contemporary manual

[LUTE] Re: [OT] Tonality in the Baroque

2019-01-09 Thread howard posner
> On Jan 9, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Mark Probert wrote: > > And I am, sad to say, ignorant of the actual meaning of "D la.sol.re". I believe it’s just a convention of combining varying names for one note: D might be la, re or sol depending on which hexachord you assume, so it became standard to u

[LUTE] Re: Re-entrant open basses

2018-10-23 Thread howard posner
> On Oct 23, 2018, at 12:44 AM, mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu wrote: > > Following on from the discussion about strings and perhaps a bit of a > non-sequitur, the well known painting by Antiveduto Grammatica shows a > lute-shaped instrument with 5 courses on the fingerboard and 9 open > basses. Th

[LUTE] electric theorbo

2018-09-29 Thread howard posner
On 04/10/2013 07:17, John Lenti wrote: > Speaking as a full-time theorbo player, I feel that I can say with some > authority that the theorbo cannot be held comfortably by anyone ever. What > you do is you play near the bridge and suffer, pop some Advil, suffer some > more, pop a Demerol, more

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-18 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 18, 2018, at 6:40 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > The computer analysis of Shakespearian vocabulary that pinned it on a single > individual from Warwickshire That rules out Shakespeare, who was married. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 1:37 AM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > look for something called "law French", a language understood only by English > lawyers and very much alive until at least the 18th century. It makes modern > legaleeze sound simple, Law English is still largely French: words like estopp

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread howard posner
Ron Andrico wrote: > > As for the less-than-eloquent William Shakespeare, it's just plain silly to > think he actually wrote the canon commonly attributed to his name. He was a > player, a station lower than that of a professional musician. He was a landowner, a station rather higher than

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-16 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Matthew Daillie > wrote: > > You might be interested in this video which summarizes some of the research > carried out by David Crystal et al on English pronunciation at the time of > Shakespeare (and Dowland) and the productions of his plays at the Globe > the

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-16 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 5:22 AM, Rainer wrote: > > Have a closer look at the spelling - which became somewhere infamous :) The to-do about Shakespeare’s spelling is really much ado about not much. English spelling was not standardized in his day. English pronunciation itself varied greatly wit

[LUTE] Re: Builder of Hard Cases

2018-09-06 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 6, 2018, at 11:21 PM, Stephan Olbertz wrote: > > Umlaut-trouble again... "Holger Gotz" (with umlaut) actually came through perfectly on my my email, without the digital garbage that you got on the copy sent back to you. Don’t ask me to explain why my email server in California handle

[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2

2018-08-28 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 11:31 PM, Martyn Hodgson > wrote: > > do you really mean to say that a prospective purchaser > shouldn't try and find out something of what a recording is like before > shelling out any cash No To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartm

[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2

2018-08-27 Thread howard posner
Maybe it’s time to be reminded that nobody has said the vihuela can’t be distinguished from the lute in this recording. Ed asked which cuts were on vihuela and which were on lute precisely because he HADN'T heard the recording, something that got lost early in the discussion (and was lost on me

[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2

2018-08-26 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 26, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Sean Smith wrote: > > If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from a > recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the > difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we > suspect they have been mixed (de

[LUTE] Re: prostitution

2018-08-10 Thread howard posner
I doubt it. The lute was not a lower-class instrument, and a streetwalker would not likely have one. It would be an expensive way to advertise in any event. I suppose a courtesan might acquire one, but she wouldn’t be parading around with it on the street; her services were, in theory, exclus

[LUTE] Naughty songs (was: prostitution)

2018-08-10 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 10, 2018, at 2:37 AM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > Just curious: did Mozart compose anything we'd consider "bawdy" or tavern > material?? I don’t know about tavern, but there’s plenty of Mozart that’s not fit for church. Mozart’s “naughty” humor tended toward the juvenile: buttocks, excr

[LUTE] Re: prostitution

2018-08-10 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 10, 2018, at 12:07 AM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > We already established that Lasso was a serious composer, and that serious > does not mean stick up his ass. We established that you don’t know the meaning of the English word “serious.” > I asked what adjective you wish to

[LUTE] Re: prostitution

2018-08-09 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > Sorry, I'm German. > > What would you choose? > "Dedicated" seems more like it? No, someone with a stick up his ass is not “dedicated.” Try stuffy, priggish, prim, rigid, pompous, prissy, stiff, starched, sanctimonious, prudish

[LUTE] Re: prostitution

2018-08-09 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 8:37 PM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > I meant serious in the sense that he had a stick up his a**. That’s not what “serious” means. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: prostitution

2018-08-09 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 7:34 PM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > Lasso was *not* a serious composer. Does this mean he never wrote a closet raga? > He composed the announcement music for the "Gümpelsbrunn Nose Dance" (an > early teaser trailer for an event...), but the festival is probably lege

[LUTE] Re: prostitution

2018-08-09 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > I thought Lasso was a rather serious composer... Nobody’s serious all the time. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Bergamasca video

2018-08-02 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 1, 2018, at 9:50 PM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > Well done Ed - Who says you can't play a 16-course archlute piece on > 7-course lute? Well, I say it all the time, but since I usually mention it to administrative law judges, it’s kind of conversation-stopper. To get on or off this

[LUTE] Re: intabulations

2018-07-30 Thread howard posner
> On Jul 30, 2018, at 1:12 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > Doug gives the number 1,200 intabulations in the 16th century, which he says > is half of the published Italian lute pieces. This number seems low (maybe > needs another zero?) Not likely. The key word is “published." To get on or off

[LUTE] Re: chord names

2018-07-25 Thread howard posner
> Tonic, dominant, etc? When did this start? “Tonic" and “dominant" are from Rameau’s 1722 Treatise on Harmony. I can’t swear he invented the terms, but he’s the reason they’re used. Describing music in harmonic terms is his legacy. The Treatise was published less than 20 years after Fux

[LUTE] Re: Things you didn't know you should worry about

2018-07-11 Thread howard posner
I’ve never seen a flute player using anything like a Yamaha Lip Plate Patch; maybe lips (more accurately, “that bit of the face above the chin and below the lower lip") slipping from the lip plate is a problem for flute players only during a lute performance. > On Jul 10, 2018, at 1:07 PM, l...

[LUTE] Re: Lubricating string ends/bridge holes?

2018-06-30 Thread howard posner
Thanks again to everyone who responded, even Martin and Matthew, who seem to mistake me for someone who can be trusted with sharp objects. I widened the holes that needed it, and in the process discovered a really good local tool store that had an assortment of small drill bits. To get on or

[LUTE] Re: Lubricating string ends/bridge holes?

2018-06-29 Thread howard posner
Thanks for the responses. I have owned a pin vise for decades, but don’t actually have any bits that fit it, which is a measure of my cowardice in the face of doing anything that permanently alters the instrument. Matthew, is there a particular reason for not lubricating the string, other th

[LUTE] Lubricating string ends/bridge holes?

2018-06-29 Thread howard posner
I reconfigure the stringing on my archlute from time to time, which involves moving some extension strings so that, e.g. the 8th course becomes the 12th for one stringing B, then gets moved back for stringing A. I now find that couple of gut extension strings won’t fit through bridge holes t

[LUTE] Re: Luthier question

2018-06-10 Thread howard posner
> On Jun 10, 2018, at 9:39 PM, howard posner wrote: > > Jack Sanders builds (and plays) baroque guitars and vihuelas, and cases, > along with modern-style instruments. I’m not sure where he is in the vast > SoCal expanse I just recalled that he teaches guitar at Pomona Coll

[LUTE] Re: Luthier question

2018-06-10 Thread howard posner
> On Jun 9, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Brad Horstkotte wrote: > > - are there any lute builders in my neck of the woods (Los Angeles > area)? Not a lot. Jack Sanders builds (and plays) baroque guitars and vihuelas, and cases, along with modern-style instruments. I’m not sure where he is in the

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and the elusive "BM"

2018-06-09 Thread howard posner
> On Jun 9, 2018, at 5:17 PM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > Lutists, please don't kill me Not even a little? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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