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Hi Scott, I must respectfully disagree with the minorities not quaking in fear. And I preface my point with this. Earlier in the thread, you mentioned putting your ear to the street/, if you listened to the actual people you knew it was going to happen. In short, your saying media and polls

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: Friday, 11 November 2016 4:39 AM To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Get out there and vote everyone! Well I wasn’t making a political claim based on party. I fully agree, everyone was wrong. It’s like Brexit, the Elite media and ruling c

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Many or many enough people give wrong answer to the pollsters because they do not want to tell anyone what they actually wotes. The Take care mob is out there. > 10. nov. 2016 kl. 16.47 skrev Todor Fassl : > > What do you mean, "you're not supposed to" get calls from

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I'm glad I have a convenient mechanism to delete an entire thread. It's obvious that we have no moderator. It would be hilarious if the supposed moderator finally responds to me, after all the other crap that has been disseminated here. It's quite pathetic to allow this to continue. Why not

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Which God's word did you put 30 years into researching? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 11/11/2016, at 08:33, CHUCK REICHEL > wrote: > > Hi ET! > as for global warming don't forget the

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Hi ET! as for global warming don't forget the definition of true science ; the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment : the world of science and technology. So GW

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Remember that old comedy routine, "You might be a redneck if ..." How about, "You may be someone who shouldn't vote if ..." * If you ever thought global warming was a hoax. * If you ever thought Barack Obama was born in Kenya. * If you ever thought Barack Obama was a Moslem. I am trying to

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To put it another way. Everyone who has no direct access to technology knows someone who does. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Without H2O there is no life! ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 11/10/2016 10:44 AM, Robin wrote: YourNaive to Think EveryOne has Access to Technology Just Sayin' At 10:35 AM

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Again, no and I said no such thing. (smiles) From E.T.'s Keyboard... Without H2O there is no life! ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 11/10/2016 10:44 AM, Robin wrote: YourNaive to Think EveryOne has Access to Technology Just Sayin' At 10:35 AM 11/10/2016, you wrote: Not at all, and I do

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Yes but there is also the gatherings of people everywhere which allows for sharing of information. And always, the "campfire story telling" plays here too. What one hears from someone who heard from someone The final story may bear little resemblance to the original. The bible is such

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YourNaive to Think EveryOne has Access to Technology Just Sayin' At 10:35 AM 11/10/2016, you wrote: Not at all, and I do not believe that most people do not have access to technology. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Without H2O there is no life! ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 11/10/2016 10:29 AM,

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Actually you might be surprised. there are still some significant parts of the u. s. where high speed cannot exist due to physical reasons. further the cost for internet in the states is far higher than in most developing countries. What you state about the issues with Internet factual

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Okay. Prove me wrong. Where are your facts? Otherwise, it's bullstuff. PS: Feel free to challenge me to provide proof of anything I've said. On 11/10/2016 12:17 PM, Scott Granados wrote: And see you’ve just entirely discredited your position. Typical lefty move when you have an indefensible

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Not at all, and I do not believe that most people do not have access to technology. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Without H2O there is no life! ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 11/10/2016 10:29 AM, Robin wrote: Have you ForGotten Not EveryOne is TechSavy or Knowledgeable about Technology or Has

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Have you ForGotten Not EveryOne is TechSavy or Knowledgeable about Technology or Has Access to Technology given Their FinancialStatus That's All I'm going to Say At 09:55 AM 11/10/2016, you wrote: There is an endless number of sources. Social media, Youtube, and the like, are some good

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Oh, for pete's sake! I'm not advocating for taking away anyone's right to vote. I am saying we shouldn't be encouraging people to vote just to vote. If you don't know what you are doing you should choose to stay home. When I say if you ever thought global warming was a hoax, you shouldn't be

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And see you’ve just entirely discredited your position. Typical lefty move when you have an indefensible position and you’re presented with facts which are confirmed you result to name calling. I do not listen to Rush Limbaugh, he’s a blow hard just like Sean Hanity and the whole bunch. In

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None of what you say below is a proven fact. Yu've been listening to too much Rush Limbaugh. I don't actually care where you got this crap from, it's crap. If you want to say otherwise, provide some links. Otherwise, I call BS on everything you say. *I* am not in any Al Gore bubble. That's

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There is an endless number of sources. Social media, Youtube, and the like, are some good propaganda mills. Its so very easy these days to put out misinformation. Same applies to religious propaganda too. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Without H2O there is no life! ancient.ali...@icloud.com On

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I’l forward them to you off list if Janina doesn’t directly. > On Nov 10, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > Do you mind sharing those voter numbers with me privately? I do not belong > to the off topic list, and truly wish to see those, if you do not mind?

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Do you mind sharing those voter numbers with me privately? I do not belong to the off topic list, and truly wish to see those, if you do not mind? Kare On Thu, 10 Nov 2016, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote: Agree about moving the conversation, Scott. My last post here, but more

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Not All Eligible Voters have Access to TheInformation People can only make Decisions based on TheInformation they are presented with & either SearchOut MoreInformation & they also have to LiveWith TheConsequences of TheirDecisions At 08:07 AM 11/10/2016, you wrote: Google can tell you stuff

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Telecommunications is something I do know about.:) I happen to support that law. I don’t like or support or even work on dialer projects any more. I find robodialing morally objectionable. And don’t get me started on collection agencies. And in the paranoia is alive and well front, I just

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I hope so, I’m always willing to learn, especially from someone like yourself who provides the hard facts. See you on over there For anyone else interested so we can quiet down the Mac list it’s joff-topic-is-on-topic+subscr...@googlegroups.com > On Nov 10, 2016, at 12:17 PM, 'Janina Sajka'

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Why should EveryOne Vote Cause They BeingEveryOne has TheRight ToDoSo EvenIf they are UnInformed concerning TheIssues No One's Voice should be Muffled or Silenced Minorities were considered ToBe UnInformed AsItPertainsTo TheIssues In The Past, but Their RightToVote shouldn't be TakenAway

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Well, let’s remember, the UN climate group did fudge their numbers which is a proven fact so that does sort of lead towards the hoax factor. Let’s also remember when it’s been demonstrated that recent temperatures are cooling if anything the global warming crowd changed their phrase from

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Agree about moving the conversation, Scott. My last post here, but more posts coming on Off Topic. I'll dig up the voting numbers for you. This is worth the time, imo. Best, Janina Scott Granados writes: > I don’t buy the minorities quaking in fear. Trump received 29% of the latino > vote,

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My point was not that it was never reasonable to be skeptical about global warming. My point was that it was never sensible to assert that scientists were trying to pull off a hoax. If you think it was ever reasonable to assert that global warming was a hoax, then you should not be allowed to

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I think the professional politicians know the value of polls the best. They're valuable up to a point, because there's no alternative other than direct personal knowledge, or the knowledge and view of someone you trust as an authority. I'm simply suggesting there's not a categorical imperative

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Hi Scott, Your absolutely 100% correct again! Heres just 1 thing that blows "climate change" formally known as "global warming" out of the water! How much carbon does a average volcano spew out in just 1 major eruption? Can anybody stop a volcano from erupting? My Daughter who holds a "Ph.D. in

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Terrific article Scott. It references the same regulation some consumer advocates are using to challenge automatic dialing say from collections agents. Kare On Thu, 10 Nov 2016, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote: Very enlightening article, Scott. Thanks! Scott Granados writes: John,

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Who boy we should move this over to the off topic list because I could blow huge holes in your global warming position. Scientists did infect fudge factor data and I can show you hard space weather data that indicates similar warming trends on other planets.;) That doesn’t mean I think we

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Very enlightening article, Scott. Thanks! Scott Granados writes: > John, did a little googling, the problem is pollsters can’t use automated > dialers on cellphone exchange blocks. So I suppose you could dial by hand > which may be the work around but you can’t use an automated system. > >

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The USA has a long, disgraceful history of preventing minorities from voting via poll tests. So I know making people prove they know *something* before they vote is not practical. It would be nice though. If you ever thought global warming was a hoax, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't

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I don't think there's a legal mandate about calling cells as much as an economic factor. Afaik, it's much more expensive at the bulk call level. Scott Granados writes: > We were always told that there were strict laws about automated dialing > processes engaging cell phones. this is not a

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I don’t buy the minorities quaking in fear. Trump received 29% of the latino vote, that’s more than 1 in 4 although if you view the media you’d think it was sub 1%. Trump also increased the votes received by the African American community. It was still small but it was a larger percentage

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Pollsters can't possibly call everyone, let alone get everyone to answer the phone. They have to work off of samples, and that means a modelling which is a fancy word for guessing what the eventual voting population will be. This year the models were based in assumptions that proved inaccurate at

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I can sort of attest to this, where automated dialing is concerned. It is still for example illegal to call a cell phone for some activities, I have been in two class action complaints against companies who did this. still a poll is different. A person getting such a call has the option of

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OK, I would want to agree, but how will you structure the test? I warrant you can't do that without discriminating in some way or other. Recognize that our Constitution has supported tests from its inception. The original tests went like this; you had to be a citizen, white, male, and own

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I am not sure I get your point. You don't believe that crap, do you? These are good examples of voters willingness to believe anything, no matter how crazy. But that's all they are. On 11/10/2016 09:56 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote: Hi donna, Scott makes several excellent points here again! :)

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John, did a little googling, the problem is pollsters can’t use automated dialers on cellphone exchange blocks. So I suppose you could dial by hand which may be the work around but you can’t use an automated system. Read more here.

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One thing I appreciate about countries like Australia is that they recognize that those who choose not to participate in the voting process hurt the country as a whole. So, they did and I believe still do, require you to vote or pay a fine. The choice to be willfully ignorant is often not

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Speaking of research, here’s the answer to your cellphone polling question. It is illegal to use automated dialers in the US to dial through cellphone exchanges. You can poll cell phones technically but there are so many restrictions most ignore the process. And in true google helps with

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Google can tell you stuff like this, you know. I've been saying that if you haven't educated yourself about the issues, you should not vote. But part of the point here is that it's really not that hard to do a little research. Get into the habit of catching yourself saying, "I heard this" or

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We were always told that there were strict laws about automated dialing processes engaging cell phones. this is not a function of the do not call list or the laws associated with that. You’re right about political calls being omitted but this is a different legal area do to the cost factors

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There was an Oct 31 discussion on NPR Politics podcast. I like the Overcast pod catcher myself for finding these things. (now it is Apple relevant.) In this podcast, talked with a PEW pollster who said they get a listing of all cell phones and randomly call them. So somehow the rules saying cells

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Hi Scott, I agree! Before doing anything in life do your research first! Thats a healthy work ethic that I adhere to! Talk soon Chuck On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > Well Todd, it’s a rights verses responsibility thing and I think personally I > lean in your direction. We

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A realistic view from non professionals. Not all of us work in media or have a degree in political science. There is also that October Surprise factor which certainly killed off many Hillary voters. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Without H2O there is no life! ancient.ali...@icloud.com On

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Hi donna, Scott makes several excellent points here again! :) my neighborhood was about 80% Trump from the people My wife & I would talk to twice a day while walking the 106 pound black lab! We were giving out our latest music production; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZLEo7nEej4=youtu.be and

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What do you mean, "you're not supposed to" get calls from pollsters on your mobile phone? I doubt there is a law that says that, at least not in the USA. Congress has set up do-not-call lists but they don't apply to political speech. That would be a violation of the First Amendment.I really

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You’re not supposed to, that’s very interesting. I’ve rolled out dialers before and you’re supposed to prevent dialing blocks of DIDs assigned to cell carriers. > On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Todor Fassl wrote: > > I get calls from pollsters all the time on my cell

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I get calls from pollsters all the time on my cell phone. On 11/10/2016 07:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote: You knew the signs were out there, it was a Brexit type event all over again. If you listened to the elite media and ruling class there was no way, if you listened to the actual people

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Well Todd, it’s a rights verses responsibility thing and I think personally I lean in your direction. We all have the right to vote but with that right I feel we have the responsibility to be informed about the decision. Just like we have the right to bare arms but we have the responsibility

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Well I wasn’t making a political claim based on party. I fully agree, everyone was wrong. It’s like Brexit, the Elite media and ruling classes completely missed the boat. I totally agree that no one of us has a monopoly on any sort of knowledge at all but I do think you can glean a lot by

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But why? Why should people who know nothing about the issues vote? Just repeating your opinion that they should vote is no answer. It's like saying you should get brain surgery even if you're not sure you have something wrong with your brain. Just sign yourself up for random medical

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I must disagree, Scott. No one of us hears enough "actual people" to know much of anything. We know our own circle of contacts, that's about it. It's a very big country. I warrant I don't know much about the actual people in Boulder, Colorado or Portland, Oregon. Heck, I don't even know much

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Maybe it's the circles I run in. I do know a couple of Trump supporters, but really everyone I know well enough that we would discuss it was adamantly opposed to trump, even if they weren't crazy about Hilary. > On Nov 10, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > >

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You knew the signs were out there, it was a Brexit type event all over again. If you listened to the elite media and ruling class there was no way, if you listened to the actual people you knew it was going to happen. Polling is dead. There’s a technological and believe it or not on topic

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Most people I know are still in a state of shock. I didn't think this would happen in a million years. Hilary wasn't a good candidate, but still ... Cheers, Donna > On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:27 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Bummer dudes and dudettes! > > > > -Original

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Bummer dudes and dudettes! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 12:50 AM To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via Subject: Get out

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Actually, It can be tighter than this, depending on where the person is registered. It is by election cycle, and how that can be defined varies. Still it would be difficult to stay on the rolls if you miss more than two cycles, sometimes if you miss only one. For example I missed the 2008

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I’m not sure about the registration issue, I know of people missing presidential elections and not having two reregister. I think this may be on a state by state basis but I do not know for certain. > On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:19 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > > One

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One correction, if memory serves, once a person is registered to vote in a specific location, they remain registered until they miss a US Presidential election. After missing a Presidential election, the person needs to reregister. Therefore, a dead person will only remain on the voter roles

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Its pointless now. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Without H2O there is no life! ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 11/8/2016 10:32 PM, Scott Granados wrote: I also have an off topic list where we could migrate the conversation. off-topic-is-on-topic+subscr...@googlegroups.com On Nov 9, 2016, at

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I also have an off topic list where we could migrate the conversation. off-topic-is-on-topic+subscr...@googlegroups.com > On Nov 9, 2016, at 1:13 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > > E.T. not this year buddy, corporate America was clearly in the tank for > Hillary. > >

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E.T. not this year buddy, corporate America was clearly in the tank for Hillary. > On Nov 8, 2016, at 6:20 PM, E.T. wrote: > > Corporate America does the voting. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > Without H2O there is no life! > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > > On

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I read that study Janina but I find it highly suspect considering what happened in Chicago in the early 60S or in more recent times Florida and Ohio. It might not all be dead voters but I do find it suspicious especially the 2000 run in my life time or of course the JFK election which predates

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Janina, 1000% agree. Voting is something that people literally die to do all around the world. Imagine the risks people take to vote in the Middle east or Africa. Remember in Africa they used to cut off your arms so you couldn’t vote. It’s a terribly important civic duty that we should all

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Well, I have an open topic list, where anything goes, you can discuss any and everything, just no badgering other members or there opinions, info is below. Checkout my groups Come learn and teach about apple products! https://groups.io/g/peel-the-apple Come chat about any and everything

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Corporate America does the voting. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Without H2O there is no life! ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 11/8/2016 2:26 PM, Todor Fassl wrote: I don't think people should vote just for the sake of voting. That's how bad guys get elected -- ignorant voters put them in office.

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I Disagree Voting is a Right & EveryOne should Vote No Matter What iff Eligible At 02:26 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote: I don't think people should vote just for the sake of voting. That's how bad guys get elected -- ignorant voters put them in office. If you havent studied the issues, please stay

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I don't think people should vote just for the sake of voting. That's how bad guys get elected -- ignorant voters put them in office. If you havent studied the issues, please stay home. On 11/08/2016 05:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote: For our friends in the US, Totally apolitical here

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Yeah. I voted for a candidate, but my real vote would be for the $1995 MacBook Pro 13". Now that's a candidate I dream about! Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda > On Nov 8,

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Hi, Chuck: CHUCK REICHEL writes: > Hi Janina, > Interesting? > do you have a link to this study? I've lost the specific pointer because you need to download a PDF for all the statistics, but the study I refer to comes from the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law which

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out there and vote everyone! I'm not a mod, but I'd just like to ask that this conversation, on the list at least, stops here. It has nothing to do with why we're all here, and tentions are so high about these issues that further discussion almost certainly won't end well. So please consider

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Amen to that. I went to vote. Unfortunatley, no one could get the accessible macine to speak. I was not happy. I still voted though. I’ve never seen the lines so long! > On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:34 AM, CHUCK REICHEL > wrote: > > Hi Scott, > I agree! > extra size

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Hi Janina, Interesting? do you have a link to this study? While growing up in Pittsburgh PA I personally experienced voting fraud. In fact theres still a empty "ballot box" sitting in my "democratic sister's garage at her house! BTW they use to use paper ballots and put them into a metal box

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Scott, I say that all the time to Government etc, that we want electronic votes especially for a blind person's independence. So I think this one method which is wanted by a lot of people who have sensory impairments. > On 8 Nov 2016, at 18:42, Scott Granados wrote: >

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Quick comment on dead people voting ... Tain't so. The simple fact is that nobody goes through voter rolls to remove names when someone dies. There's no such job in government. The simple fact that a dead person's name remains on a voter roll doesn't mean someone actually manages to vote by

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I strongly support this. Voting, I would humbly suggest, is more than just an expression of our individual views, it's an instrument by which we directly participate in effecting the kind of governance we get to live with. In other words, if you don't vote, don't complain about the blankety blank

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Not an american mate.! > 8 nov. 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Scott Granados : > > For our friends in the US, > Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it that way. Get > out there and vote today, do your civic duty regardless of your party / > candidate /

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Just remember, politics and religion are hot button topics. And they always will be. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Without H2O there is no life! ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 11/8/2016 10:42 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Hi, Alex is right we should stick to the topic. Remember I did try to leave

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Hi, Alex is right we should stick to the topic. Remember I did try to leave politics out of it and just encourage people to flex their voting muscles no matter how they wished.;) To answer your question though since it’s a great question, no we have no such requirement. Once you register to

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To tell you the truth and I'm being honest here, I love it when things go wrong. I laugh. You are right Scott, the BBC and other News channels hype things up. It will be as it will be tomorrow. Whatever the case, there has to be a loser. Just one last thing. Here in the UK every year you

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Kawal, so much for trying to keep this apolitical. That aside, the sad fact is there is a real case to be made for the election being fixed. 1. There are over 24 million registered voters who shouldn’t be. These are either people who are not citizens, people who are dead, people who are

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I'm not a mod, but I'd just like to ask that this conversation, on the list at least, stops here. It has nothing to do with why we're all here, and tentions are so high about these issues that further discussion almost certainly won't end well. So please consider stopping this before it can get

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Hi Kawal, Sorry to break the news to you but!!! Heres just some of the fraud going on. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/florida-elections-worker-alleges/2016/11/04/id/757191/?dkt_nbr=6jsibzbj BTW this is 5 miles away from my house and I know this took place last week! Read it for your selves!

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Trump will be the sore loser and make a lot of noise and disrupt the country even further. He dies not understand the concept of democracy, of the people for the people by the people. If he stays true to form, he will not accept the election results if he loses. And he will get nowhere

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If trump does not get his way he'll say the election was rigged and if he does not accept the vote, where then for America? > On 8 Nov 2016, at 15:34, CHUCK REICHEL > wrote: > > Hi Scott, > I agree! > extra size your rite to Vote! > Many people died to keep us

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Hi Scott, I agree! extra size your rite to Vote! Many people died to keep us free! Yes my Dad shed his "blood" fighting the socialist in germany to assure us this basic freedom here in the USA GOD Bless the USA! :) the land of the free and the home of the brave! Chuck On Nov 8, 2016, at 6:50