Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I can't attest to the quality but Harbor Freight has a 5 watt solar 
charger for $40. The small cube AC converters are 5 watts (last I 
checked) so this should give a similar charge time in strong sun.


https://www.harborfreight.com/5-watt-foldable-solar-panel-charger-60449.html

CB

On 8/10/17 11:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I do ok but remember a lot of these options are free like the small solar 
chargers you get at trade shows in bags of swag.  You know me I like to offer 
solutions from free on up so that anyone can benefit regardless of their bottom 
line.  I don’t want to see technology in the hands of a few the digital divide 
is a very real thing and getting options available at all price points is 
important so nobody is left out.



On Aug 10, 2017, at 5:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Scott, only you can do this kind of thing as you earn large sums of money, as 
you get paid well.  If you remember you said that to me.

Kawal.

On 10 Aug 2017, at 19:03, Scott Granados  wrote:

Simon, there’s lots of ways to skin this cat as they say.

For small money you can get portable solar chargers.  They make them from say 
the size of a cassette tape up to something that folds out of a huge case and 
takes up 10 SQFT or so.  Depending on your power needs you could charge 
anything from a small phone up to car batteries or more with the right unit.  
Costs range from free in the give away piles at trade shows for the small stuff 
up to a grand or so for larger portable units.
Another option is what I did.   I installed a generator that runs on 
natural gas.  I attach my gas feed from the street to the generator and then a 
transfer switch where the power comes in to the house.  If the power drops to 
the house the generator spins up, matches the AC phase coming out of the 
battery bank and then engages.  When on city gas I never need to worry about 
refueling because I’m pulling natural gas from the gas lines that feed my 
kitchen and pool heater etc.  I can however use a propane tank feed if I  want 
locally stored fuel in the event the city gas isn’t flowing.
Another option is batteries.  You can take marine deep discharge 
batteries and invert the power to get some AC power or run things natively off 
the 12V.  You can charge while power is available.
Solar over all is yet another option.  I had this in California.  You 
put panels on the roof and charge batteries in a reserve bank that way.  Gave 
me enough power to run my house fully and sell power back to the electric 
company during the day.  Also had 5 days of charge on the battery banks if I 
lost power and the sun wasn’t strong enough.  This can be expensive north of 
35000 US dollars but the government also gave subsidies at the time, yours may 
do the same thing.
Also for small money, you can buy a portable generator.  Honda makes 
these along with several others, caterpillar comes to mind and Huskvarna.  
Anywhere from a few hundred bucks on up and they can be as small as a bread box 
or old style portable TV.





On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

A difference wifi charging might make in case of emergencys,

My question is how do you charge your phone if there is a major power outage in 
your town during a storm or something?

If there is no power to your house or say star bucks, then how do you charge?
No power no charging.

I'm one of those who has no landline phone, I have only a mobile
My mobile has a geographically diverted landline number to my mobile but still 
I'm scscrewed if there is a natural disaster..


-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 4:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

My goodness!
Thanks for that read.
I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency preparedness 
situations.
Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
As in electromagnetic spectrum?
A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
stop.
i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
Sony walkman.  had I not,
I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what  
was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
wireless charging might make During flooding?
Kare



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM How iPhone 8 could
change the wireless charging landscape - 

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I figured rectifiers could be pretty small, benefiting from the overall 
reduction in semiconductor sizes. That whole RF beam forming and antenna 
stuff gets beyond my basic electronics knowhow. Of course with Apple 
working with Cochlear, maybe someday the whole device will just be 
attached to the audio nerves.


https://apple.slashdot.org/story/17/08/05/1922201/how-apple-is-putting-voices-in-users-headsliterally

CB

On 8/10/17 11:36 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hey if I could be such a prolific inventor I’d talk to the birds too.:)
I think you have the basic idea although I think it’s a bit more 
complex than that.  I do know there are some key semiconductors involved in 
modern wireless charging.  As I understand it you’re using more of a radio wave 
conversion to power deal than pure inductance although I think some systems do 
work that way.  This reminds me more of the platforms where they propose 
putting a bunch of solar cells in orbit and then beaming down the power on high 
energy microwaves where they can be converted back to AC and dropped in the 
grid.
I think you can get bridge rectifiers in pretty small packages now that 
would fit in a phone.  Just amazing we’re even having this discussion.  I can’t 
wait until I have a phone with no ports what so ever.  No charging port, no 
headphone port, nothing but wireless interconnection.





On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:22 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Of course Tesla also like to talk to pigeons :) I assume the basic idea is that 
the phone becomes the secondary coil of a basic transformer setup and then 
needs to have some kind of internal rectifier to change the power back to DC. I 
always thought transformers and capacitors were heavy bulky things so I can see 
why it's taken a while to get this into a phone-sized package.

CB

On 8/10/17 1:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Let’s not forget that wireless power was Mr. Tesla’s dream that Thomas Edison 
derailed with his unfair business practices and not paying Tesla etc.

Who can say but if things were different we might be picking up energy from the 
air with antennas instead of using wires and plugs and outlets and all that 
infrastructure.  Remember Tesla wanted electricity to be beamed in to the air 
and available to everyone for free.  This is along the same lines.  I think of 
his work everytime I hear about these wireless charging systems.

Here’s another use, suppose you put wireless transmitters through out an 
airport.  Just by changing planes your phone in your bag or in your pocket will 
be charging.  Same with offices, coffee shops and all sorts of infrastructure.  
You might never need to plug in ever if you have chargers in all the right 
places.

Very exciting.
  

On Aug 10, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

My goodness!
Thanks for that read.
I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency preparedness 
situations.
Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
As in electromagnetic spectrum?
A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
stop.
i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
Sony walkman.  had I not,
I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what  
was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
wireless charging might make During flooding?
Kare



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully replace
Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
wireless charging?
But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in the
eye of the beholder.
Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
not attached directly to the phone.

Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
wireless charging compatibility.
Sarah Tew/CNET
That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging 

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Hey if I could be such a prolific inventor I’d talk to the birds too.:)
I think you have the basic idea although I think it’s a bit more 
complex than that.  I do know there are some key semiconductors involved in 
modern wireless charging.  As I understand it you’re using more of a radio wave 
conversion to power deal than pure inductance although I think some systems do 
work that way.  This reminds me more of the platforms where they propose 
putting a bunch of solar cells in orbit and then beaming down the power on high 
energy microwaves where they can be converted back to AC and dropped in the 
grid.
I think you can get bridge rectifiers in pretty small packages now that 
would fit in a phone.  Just amazing we’re even having this discussion.  I can’t 
wait until I have a phone with no ports what so ever.  No charging port, no 
headphone port, nothing but wireless interconnection.




> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:22 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Of course Tesla also like to talk to pigeons :) I assume the basic idea is 
> that the phone becomes the secondary coil of a basic transformer setup and 
> then needs to have some kind of internal rectifier to change the power back 
> to DC. I always thought transformers and capacitors were heavy bulky things 
> so I can see why it's taken a while to get this into a phone-sized package.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 8/10/17 1:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Let’s not forget that wireless power was Mr. Tesla’s dream that Thomas 
>> Edison derailed with his unfair business practices and not paying Tesla etc.
>> 
>> Who can say but if things were different we might be picking up energy from 
>> the air with antennas instead of using wires and plugs and outlets and all 
>> that infrastructure.  Remember Tesla wanted electricity to be beamed in to 
>> the air and available to everyone for free.  This is along the same lines.  
>> I think of his work everytime I hear about these wireless charging systems.
>> 
>> Here’s another use, suppose you put wireless transmitters through out an 
>> airport.  Just by changing planes your phone in your bag or in your pocket 
>> will be charging.  Same with offices, coffee shops and all sorts of 
>> infrastructure.  You might never need to plug in ever if you have chargers 
>> in all the right places.
>> 
>> Very exciting.
>>  
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My goodness!
>>> Thanks for that read.
>>> I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
>>> preparedness situations.
>>> Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
>>> wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
>>> As in electromagnetic spectrum?
>>> A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three 
>>> days, much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried 
>>> charging products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even 
>>> that had to stop.
>>> i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
>>> Sony walkman.  had I not,
>>> I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about 
>>> what  was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no 
>>> heat.
>>> I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
>>> wireless charging might make During flooding?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
 How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
 As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
 abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
 the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully 
 replace
 Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
 wireless charging?
 But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in 
 the
 eye of the beholder.
 Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
 charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
 those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
 burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
 need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
 not attached directly to the phone.
 
 Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
 wireless charging compatibility.
 Sarah Tew/CNET
 That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
 misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which
 batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not centimeters --
 is a real-world technology, too.
 Wireless charging over a distance could 

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Scott Granados]

I do ok but remember a lot of these options are free like the small solar 
chargers you get at trade shows in bags of swag.  You know me I like to offer 
solutions from free on up so that anyone can benefit regardless of their bottom 
line.  I don’t want to see technology in the hands of a few the digital divide 
is a very real thing and getting options available at all price points is 
important so nobody is left out. 


> On Aug 10, 2017, at 5:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Scott, only you can do this kind of thing as you earn large sums of money, as 
> you get paid well.  If you remember you said that to me.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 10 Aug 2017, at 19:03, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Simon, there’s lots of ways to skin this cat as they say.
>> 
>> For small money you can get portable solar chargers.  They make them from 
>> say the size of a cassette tape up to something that folds out of a huge 
>> case and takes up 10 SQFT or so.  Depending on your power needs you could 
>> charge anything from a small phone up to car batteries or more with the 
>> right unit.  Costs range from free in the give away piles at trade shows for 
>> the small stuff up to a grand or so for larger portable units.
>>  Another option is what I did.   I installed a generator that runs on 
>> natural gas.  I attach my gas feed from the street to the generator and then 
>> a transfer switch where the power comes in to the house.  If the power drops 
>> to the house the generator spins up, matches the AC phase coming out of the 
>> battery bank and then engages.  When on city gas I never need to worry about 
>> refueling because I’m pulling natural gas from the gas lines that feed my 
>> kitchen and pool heater etc.  I can however use a propane tank feed if I  
>> want locally stored fuel in the event the city gas isn’t flowing.
>>  Another option is batteries.  You can take marine deep discharge 
>> batteries and invert the power to get some AC power or run things natively 
>> off the 12V.  You can charge while power is available.
>>  Solar over all is yet another option.  I had this in California.  You 
>> put panels on the roof and charge batteries in a reserve bank that way.  
>> Gave me enough power to run my house fully and sell power back to the 
>> electric company during the day.  Also had 5 days of charge on the battery 
>> banks if I lost power and the sun wasn’t strong enough.  This can be 
>> expensive north of 35000 US dollars but the government also gave subsidies 
>> at the time, yours may do the same thing.
>>  Also for small money, you can buy a portable generator.  Honda makes 
>> these along with several others, caterpillar comes to mind and Huskvarna.  
>> Anywhere from a few hundred bucks on up and they can be as small as a bread 
>> box or old style portable TV.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A difference wifi charging might make in case of emergencys,
>>> 
>>> My question is how do you charge your phone if there is a major power 
>>> outage in your town during a storm or something?
>>> 
>>> If there is no power to your house or say star bucks, then how do you 
>>> charge?
>>> No power no charging.
>>> 
>>> I'm one of those who has no landline phone, I have only a mobile 
>>> My mobile has a geographically diverted landline number to my mobile but 
>>> still I'm scscrewed if there is a natural disaster..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>>> Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 4:23 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - 
>>> CNET
>>> 
>>> My goodness!
>>> Thanks for that read.
>>> I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
>>> preparedness situations.
>>> Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
>>> wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
>>> As in electromagnetic spectrum?
>>> A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three 
>>> days, much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried 
>>> charging products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even 
>>> that had to stop.
>>> i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
>>> Sony walkman.  had I not,
>>> I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about 
>>> what  was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no 
>>> heat.
>>> I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
>>> wireless charging might make During flooding?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM How iPhone 8 could 
 change the wireless charging landscape - CNET As we 

Re: me.com e-mail address.

[Scott Granados]

Remember when they used to charge for these?


> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> Yes, Apple has been slowly retiring the me.com email address. They started 
> the process about 5 years ago.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 11/08/2017, at 07:39, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Suppose it's time to ask a serious question.
>> 
>> Today I wrote from my me.com e-mail as that is my primary e-mail as I use 
>> for personal stuff.  This is my Alias.
>> 
>> When I replied it had gone from my Icloud.com address which I don't use as I 
>> prefer my me.com.  So has the me.com gone?
>> Thanks.
>> Kawal.
>> 
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> On 11/08/2017, at 07:39, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Suppose it's time to ask a serious question.
> 
> Today I wrote from my me.com e-mail as that is my primary e-mail as I use for 
> personal stuff.  This is my Alias.
> 
> When I replied it had gone from my Icloud.com address which I don't use as I 
> prefer my me.com.  So has the me.com gone?
> Thanks.
> Kawal.
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Kawal, did you select your me.com  address as the from address? 
 Was it apple mail you were using.  Could you provide little more detail and 
I’d be happy to give it a crack.
 

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
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> 
> Today I wrote from my me.com e-mail as that is my primary e-mail as I use for 
> personal stuff.  This is my Alias.
> 
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> Kawal.
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Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Of course Tesla also like to talk to pigeons :) I assume the basic idea 
is that the phone becomes the secondary coil of a basic transformer 
setup and then needs to have some kind of internal rectifier to change 
the power back to DC. I always thought transformers and capacitors were 
heavy bulky things so I can see why it's taken a while to get this into 
a phone-sized package.


CB

On 8/10/17 1:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Let’s not forget that wireless power was Mr. Tesla’s dream that Thomas Edison 
derailed with his unfair business practices and not paying Tesla etc.

Who can say but if things were different we might be picking up energy from the 
air with antennas instead of using wires and plugs and outlets and all that 
infrastructure.  Remember Tesla wanted electricity to be beamed in to the air 
and available to everyone for free.  This is along the same lines.  I think of 
his work everytime I hear about these wireless charging systems.

Here’s another use, suppose you put wireless transmitters through out an 
airport.  Just by changing planes your phone in your bag or in your pocket will 
be charging.  Same with offices, coffee shops and all sorts of infrastructure.  
You might never need to plug in ever if you have chargers in all the right 
places.

Very exciting.
  


On Aug 10, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

My goodness!
Thanks for that read.
I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency preparedness 
situations.
Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
As in electromagnetic spectrum?
A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
stop.
i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
Sony walkman.  had I not,
I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what  
was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
wireless charging might make During flooding?
Kare



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully replace
Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
wireless charging?
But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in the
eye of the beholder.
Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
not attached directly to the phone.

Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
wireless charging compatibility.
Sarah Tew/CNET
That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which
batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not centimeters --
is a real-world technology, too.
Wireless charging over a distance could be the real tech game changer,
allowing us to juice up our phones as soon as we walk into a room. The
technology is also a boon to the ever-increasing number of smart devices in
our lives, from portable speakers to hearing aids. It just needs to get over
the pesky questions over whether it's safe -- and actually show up in a
mass-market consumer device.
So, before we posit the question as to whether the next iPhones will include
wireless charging, let's start by untangling the different technologies that
Apple might incorporate.
Inductive charging: Qi vs. Powermat
Widely used for years in cordless electric toothbrushes, inductive charging
is the most common technology employed in most of today's "wireless"
charging devices and accessories. There are two major standards in the
space: Qi -- named for a Chinese word that means energy and is pronounced
"chee" -- and Powermat.
Both standards are also working to incorporate magnetic resonance
technology, which could charge over distances of up to 4 centimeters. That
would, for instance, mean that aligning your phone to the charging pad
"sweet spot" would be less of a hit-and-miss affair, or that the charging
pads could be hidden behind thin layers of wood or plastic.

The Samsung Galaxy S8 recharging on a Powermat inductive charger at a
Manhattan Starbucks.
Sarah 

Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Scott Granados]

Kawal, haha well said and for the record I’m on your side with this one.  To me 
though moderators are more like little power hungry DMV workers who have no 
control over their own lives so they have to force their wills where they can.  
(Kawal and folks over sees the DMV is the department of motor vehicles where 
you go to get your license or registration in the US). They are usually staffed 
by angry government workers who are in a position to take out on the rest of us 
all their stresses and inadequacies.  It’s like the little droids you see 
around who get handed a clipboard and all the sudden become the dictators of 
their personal spheres.  Ok I know an international example that everyone will 
get.  Remember the kid appointed hall monitor and goes all power hungry because 
someone gave him or her the authority to check hall passes.  Like I said I take 
my direction from the folks with the Harvard and Yale law degrees, not from 
people who get their information from alien shows on the history channel or 
make it up as they go along.  But hey, at least we’re not discussing the beta 
right?  You keep doing what you’re doing Kawal I love your posts, your 
perspective on things and I wouldn’t ever call you immature like some other 
alien lovers on list have.

Keep em coming
 
  



> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> ET, for years the moderator's notes have not really change.  They are forever 
> telling someone off and so it is like a kid being naughty doing the same over 
> and over.  I'd rather laugh otherwise we'll all get in to a punch up as it 
> were.  Don't forget, what are we, people who don't really know each other and 
> no one knows us on these lists as no one knows what our lives are for what 
> it's worth I might be someone whose had a bad day you don't know so I need 
> something to make me laugh don't you think?  I've had a hard day's work and I 
> need a little light relief so you might as well remember that.  I'm not 
> stupid as I make out to be just trying to relax after a hard day's work.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 10 Aug 2017, at 22:40, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  What I have found, and still find after all these years. amusing is how the 
>> "kids" show total lack of maturity. Kawal, you do not need to subject 
>> yourself to the whims of the moderators, just show yourself out. Doing so 
>> would prove your own maturity.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/10/2017 2:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> Sorry, but I find moderator's notes amusing.  You don't know how much I 
>>> laugh because little things turn in to big things.  I've not had such a 
>>> laugh for a long time on this list.  May be I'll get in to trouble, but at 
>>> this point, I am not too worried.
>>> 
>>> Cara sounds like the head mistress, Mark sounds like the naughty head 
>>> deputy who did a slight boo boo and Scott is like the kid who said 
>>> something to start this all off!  Like you do normally do Scott, always 
>>> gets caught out and gets in to trouble so he says 'sorry miss and Mr so so, 
>>> won't do it again' but you know it happens again and it catches the mods 
>>> out!  Oh such fun.
 On 10 Aug 2017, at 18:29, Cara Quinn  wrote:
 
 Hey Scott,
 
 Why are you saying this policy has to do with personal feelings when you 
 have not taken any time at all to get to know either me or Mark? You have 
 no idea what our personal feelings are on this.
 
 -Okay, to be fair, perhaps you have gotten to know Mark unbeknownst to me, 
 but I know you and I don’t really know each other. :)
 
 So please don’t stir the pot just for the sake of stirring the pot. This 
 isn’t about our personal feelings.
 
 Anyway, for the record, I really couldn’t care less if we discuss beta 
 material or not, providing that public discussion is permitted in the user 
 agreement provided along with the software for the public beta program. 
 -And, for what it’s worth, I agree with you that as blind customers, we 
 really need to make our voices heard on issues that are important to us. I 
 just don’t believe that we should be breaking agreements to do it unless 
 that is absolutely our *only* available option.
 
 Since I am not a member of the public beta program, if someone would like 
 to post the agreement here or point me to it, I’ll be happy to take a look.
 
 If it says we can discuss it then we’ll simply change the policy. No 
 biggie.
 
 This is not some big personal thing, this is just a matter of a simple 
 user agreement. That’s all.
 
 Cheers!
 
 Cara
 
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Re: Accessible iOS App - Where To Shoot by NSSF

[Scott Granados]

This is very cool.  The hardware I have is a little bit on the excessive side 
for most gun clubs but luckily in the live free or die state, here in the woods 
my neighbors are enthusiasts and don’t mind when I bring out the M79 for a 
little fresh air.  We buy old cars from junk yards for under $100 and blow the 
hell out of them with the M79 or my neighbor has a Bofers automatic cannon.

I used to have a source for small beepers that were flat disks you could stick 
to a clay pigeon and have audible skeet shooting but I can’t find the small 
beepers any more that won’t disturb the clay pigeon in flight. I also have a 
line on small RC drones with exploding removable wings that you shoot with 
shotguns.  If you hit the drone the wings make a huge puff and you just replace 
them so it’s all reusable.

Very cool app, thanks for pointing it out.

 

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> Thanks much for this. Yes, I’m a shooter, prefer archery but ...
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> For those who shoot, this app shows you ranges etc near you. It also 
>> contains news and info about the NSSF National Shooting Sports Foundation. I 
>> believe the app also shows archery ranges as well, for those who prefer 
>> something a bit quieter and a lot less automatic! lol!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> —
>> Where To Shoot by NSSF
>> 
>> https://appsto.re/us/7ArLM.i
>> 
>> Description:
>> 
>> Search for shooting ranges near you, view video shooting tips and find other 
>> resources for shooters. Managed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation 
>> (NSSF), Where To Shoot is the web's most comprehensive directory of shooting 
>> ranges in the U.S. and Canada. This app brings that directory into the palm 
>> of your hand. A great resource for all gun owners, hunters and shooters.
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Re: I wish to make myself a bit clear.

[Scott Granados]

I didn’t read the recent round of messages but I don’t think anyone thinks that 
about you Kawal. You’re a great contributor to the list and the Internet 
community as a whole and have been since I’ve known you which is more than a 
decade now.



> On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hi.
> 
> I feel that there has been a bit of an misunderstanding of my few messages on 
> list.
> 
> First I'd like to say that i respect the moderators on this list and do 
> listen to what is said on the list just in case the mods think I have been 
> rude on this list and if I have been disrespectful to them then I'm sorry.
> 
> Secondly, I am sick to death with people assuming things about me.  For a few 
> days I have felt that people mis representing me by indicating that I might 
> be a bit mad or something.
> 
> If people have issues with what I say be it about me talking about Blind 
> issues then they can write to me privately off list.
> 
> This evening after seeing a few messages from the moderators which in 
> themselves were serious, I felt it best to make light of the situation as I 
> could get angry with people always making trouble on this list so I thought 
> I'd bring a little sense of humour to the situation.  I didn't expect for 
> someone to say that I was imature or whatever.  So for that reason I fought 
> back as I will not have people assuming things about me as no one knows me on 
> this list.
> 
> I hope that is cleared up now.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
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Solar Eclipse

[E.T.]

   I found out that NASA developed a solar eclipse tactile guide for 
the blind. Does anyone know if its available in electronic format?


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filters in mail on mac?

[Christina C.]

Hello,

Somehow I filtered my inbox on my Mac.  I have no idea how I did this.  I read 
the help section for mail about filters and it mentions a filter button.  I 
could not find a filter button anywhere in mail.  The only thing I can think of 
is that I was using the search field to find messages. maybe I did something 
there when I was arrowing through the drop down menu of options from that 
search field. I can’t figure it out.  I was finally able to get rid of the 
filter via the view menu.  There was an option to turn off filter.  

Can anyone tell me how I may have filtered my messages so that I can avoid this 
in the future. Or if anyone can tell me how to create a filter with VO than 
maybe I can try to figure out what I did.  Thanks so much.

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Re: Can't we use iCloud instead of dropbox?

[Alex Hall]

First, the main feature Dropbox has over iCloud right now is sharing. In 
Dropbox, you can share public links to files, but you can also collaborate on 
folders, letting anyone you invite see or edit folder contents. To my 
knowledge, iCloud Drive still can’t do that, though you can collaborate on 
individual files so long as everyone uses Apple’s editors to modify them.

As to disk space, iCloud Drive still takes up space. As far as I know, you 
can’t decide to not download content. Your drive will sync to every physical 
machine until it’s fully synced or the disk is full. Again, as with sharing, I 
could be mistaken here.

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Why not use networking features and share the drives so you can copy from one 
> to another with just a cut and paste move.  You could share your disks and 
> then move files between the platforms.  Just another way to think about the 
> problem you’re trying to solve.
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:36 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> While i was using windows, all my documents were be on my dropbox, and when 
>> converting to mac, i’m still using the same way ignorer to be able to open 
>> all my documents through my computers, but now my Studio HD is so small and 
>> i don’t want to spend my HD size on my dropbox files, so, am using the 
>> dropbox just on my Laptop.
>> i was thinking to use my iCloud to sync my documents between my mac and my 
>> studio hd,
>> is there a way to use the iCloud as a drive not through the apps? because 
>> most of my documents were written on windows without using he text edit or 
>> something.
>> or do you have any other suggestion?
>> Thanks in advance 
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Re: I wish to make myself a bit clear.

[Vaughn Brown]

Kawal,

I find your writings amusing, informative, and hold perspective. No
hard feelings from me, personally.

Vaughn

On 8/10/17, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I feel that there has been a bit of an misunderstanding of my few messages
> on list.
>
> First I'd like to say that i respect the moderators on this list and do
> listen to what is said on the list just in case the mods think I have been
> rude on this list and if I have been disrespectful to them then I'm sorry.
>
> Secondly, I am sick to death with people assuming things about me.  For a
> few days I have felt that people mis representing me by indicating that I
> might be a bit mad or something.
>
> If people have issues with what I say be it about me talking about Blind
> issues then they can write to me privately off list.
>
> This evening after seeing a few messages from the moderators which in
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> could get angry with people always making trouble on this list so I thought
> I'd bring a little sense of humour to the situation.  I didn't expect for
> someone to say that I was imature or whatever.  So for that reason I fought
> back as I will not have people assuming things about me as no one knows me
> on this list.
>
> I hope that is cleared up now.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kawal.
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Re: Accessible iOS App - Where To Shoot by NSSF

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Thanks much for this. Yes, I’m a shooter, prefer archery but ...
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> 
> For those who shoot, this app shows you ranges etc near you. It also contains 
> news and info about the NSSF National Shooting Sports Foundation. I believe 
> the app also shows archery ranges as well, for those who prefer something a 
> bit quieter and a lot less automatic! lol!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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> 
> https://appsto.re/us/7ArLM.i
> 
> Description:
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> Search for shooting ranges near you, view video shooting tips and find other 
> resources for shooters. Managed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation 
> (NSSF), Where To Shoot is the web's most comprehensive directory of shooting 
> ranges in the U.S. and Canada. This app brings that directory into the palm 
> of your hand. A great resource for all gun owners, hunters and shooters.
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I wish to make myself a bit clear.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I feel that there has been a bit of an misunderstanding of my few messages on 
list.

First I'd like to say that i respect the moderators on this list and do listen 
to what is said on the list just in case the mods think I have been rude on 
this list and if I have been disrespectful to them then I'm sorry.

Secondly, I am sick to death with people assuming things about me.  For a few 
days I have felt that people mis representing me by indicating that I might be 
a bit mad or something.

If people have issues with what I say be it about me talking about Blind issues 
then they can write to me privately off list.

This evening after seeing a few messages from the moderators which in 
themselves were serious, I felt it best to make light of the situation as I 
could get angry with people always making trouble on this list so I thought I'd 
bring a little sense of humour to the situation.  I didn't expect for someone 
to say that I was imature or whatever.  So for that reason I fought back as I 
will not have people assuming things about me as no one knows me on this list.

I hope that is cleared up now.

Thanks.

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Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

ET, for years the moderator's notes have not really change.  They are forever 
telling someone off and so it is like a kid being naughty doing the same over 
and over.  I'd rather laugh otherwise we'll all get in to a punch up as it 
were.  Don't forget, what are we, people who don't really know each other and 
no one knows us on these lists as no one knows what our lives are for what it's 
worth I might be someone whose had a bad day you don't know so I need something 
to make me laugh don't you think?  I've had a hard day's work and I need a 
little light relief so you might as well remember that.  I'm not stupid as I 
make out to be just trying to relax after a hard day's work.

Kawal.
> On 10 Aug 2017, at 22:40, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   What I have found, and still find after all these years. amusing is how the 
> "kids" show total lack of maturity. Kawal, you do not need to subject 
> yourself to the whims of the moderators, just show yourself out. Doing so 
> would prove your own maturity.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/10/2017 2:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> Sorry, but I find moderator's notes amusing.  You don't know how much I 
>> laugh because little things turn in to big things.  I've not had such a 
>> laugh for a long time on this list.  May be I'll get in to trouble, but at 
>> this point, I am not too worried.
>> 
>> Cara sounds like the head mistress, Mark sounds like the naughty head deputy 
>> who did a slight boo boo and Scott is like the kid who said something to 
>> start this all off!  Like you do normally do Scott, always gets caught out 
>> and gets in to trouble so he says 'sorry miss and Mr so so, won't do it 
>> again' but you know it happens again and it catches the mods out!  Oh such 
>> fun.
>>> On 10 Aug 2017, at 18:29, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Scott,
>>> 
>>> Why are you saying this policy has to do with personal feelings when you 
>>> have not taken any time at all to get to know either me or Mark? You have 
>>> no idea what our personal feelings are on this.
>>> 
>>> -Okay, to be fair, perhaps you have gotten to know Mark unbeknownst to me, 
>>> but I know you and I don’t really know each other. :)
>>> 
>>> So please don’t stir the pot just for the sake of stirring the pot. This 
>>> isn’t about our personal feelings.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, for the record, I really couldn’t care less if we discuss beta 
>>> material or not, providing that public discussion is permitted in the user 
>>> agreement provided along with the software for the public beta program. 
>>> -And, for what it’s worth, I agree with you that as blind customers, we 
>>> really need to make our voices heard on issues that are important to us. I 
>>> just don’t believe that we should be breaking agreements to do it unless 
>>> that is absolutely our *only* available option.
>>> 
>>> Since I am not a member of the public beta program, if someone would like 
>>> to post the agreement here or point me to it, I’ll be happy to take a look.
>>> 
>>> If it says we can discuss it then we’ll simply change the policy. No biggie.
>>> 
>>> This is not some big personal thing, this is just a matter of a simple user 
>>> agreement. That’s all.
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Cara
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why join a list when the rules are based in some arbitrary feeling that is 
>>> based on personal feelings rather than the law?
>>> 
>>> That’s just silly.
>>> 
>>> Counter to you, on any list I run feel free to discuss public anything as 
>>> much as you like.  Public betas to public flogging, doesn’t matter to me.  
>>> Nor does it matter to Apple, their legal teams or any boiler plate.
>>> 
>>> It’s fine if Mark wants no discussion on a topic but don’t represent 
>>> something that’s not true, it’s a personal decision not one based on 
>>> anything legal or even best practices.  Public anything is open for 
>>> discussion.  Developer betas are a different matter and nobody crossed that 
>>> line.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes it’ really hurts.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:33 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
 
 I am, and will still stand by mine and the group management thoughts on 
 this. Questions about either Developer or public betas should not be 
 allowed, in my opinion. Nough said. I do not allow such discussion on my 
 own general technology list, which, btw you are more than welcome to join. 
 

Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   What I have found, and still find after all these years. amusing is 
how the "kids" show total lack of maturity. Kawal, you do not need to 
subject yourself to the whims of the moderators, just show yourself out. 
Doing so would prove your own maturity.


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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/10/2017 2:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Sorry, but I find moderator's notes amusing.  You don't know how much I laugh 
because little things turn in to big things.  I've not had such a laugh for a 
long time on this list.  May be I'll get in to trouble, but at this point, I am 
not too worried.

Cara sounds like the head mistress, Mark sounds like the naughty head deputy 
who did a slight boo boo and Scott is like the kid who said something to start 
this all off!  Like you do normally do Scott, always gets caught out and gets 
in to trouble so he says 'sorry miss and Mr so so, won't do it again' but you 
know it happens again and it catches the mods out!  Oh such fun.

On 10 Aug 2017, at 18:29, Cara Quinn  wrote:

Hey Scott,

Why are you saying this policy has to do with personal feelings when you have 
not taken any time at all to get to know either me or Mark? You have no idea 
what our personal feelings are on this.

-Okay, to be fair, perhaps you have gotten to know Mark unbeknownst to me, but 
I know you and I don’t really know each other. :)

So please don’t stir the pot just for the sake of stirring the pot. This isn’t 
about our personal feelings.

Anyway, for the record, I really couldn’t care less if we discuss beta material 
or not, providing that public discussion is permitted in the user agreement 
provided along with the software for the public beta program. -And, for what 
it’s worth, I agree with you that as blind customers, we really need to make 
our voices heard on issues that are important to us. I just don’t believe that 
we should be breaking agreements to do it unless that is absolutely our *only* 
available option.

Since I am not a member of the public beta program, if someone would like to 
post the agreement here or point me to it, I’ll be happy to take a look.

If it says we can discuss it then we’ll simply change the policy. No biggie.

This is not some big personal thing, this is just a matter of a simple user 
agreement. That’s all.

Cheers!

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On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Why join a list when the rules are based in some arbitrary feeling that is 
based on personal feelings rather than the law?

That’s just silly.

Counter to you, on any list I run feel free to discuss public anything as much 
as you like.  Public betas to public flogging, doesn’t matter to me.  Nor does 
it matter to Apple, their legal teams or any boiler plate.

It’s fine if Mark wants no discussion on a topic but don’t represent something 
that’s not true, it’s a personal decision not one based on anything legal or 
even best practices.  Public anything is open for discussion.  Developer betas 
are a different matter and nobody crossed that line.

Sometimes it’ really hurts.

On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:33 AM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:


I am, and will still stand by mine and the group management thoughts on this. 
Questions about either Developer or public betas should not be allowed, in my 
opinion. Nough said. I do not allow such discussion on my own general 
technology list, which, btw you are more than welcome to join. Please ask off 
list so as to avoid clutter. Cheers!

On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:55, Ray Foret jr  wrote:

Not even public beta questions.  Why?  Simple.  It’s still beta and therefore, 
falls under Apple’s non disclosure agreement.
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi mark!
I am sorry for that one.
Not even public beta questions?
If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
/A


10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor :

Hello Anders,

Beta software questions are not for this list.

If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members contact 
you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address in the body 
of the post.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders 

me.com e-mail address.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

Suppose it's time to ask a serious question.

Today I wrote from my me.com e-mail as that is my primary e-mail as I use for 
personal stuff.  This is my Alias.

When I replied it had gone from my Icloud.com address which I don't use as I 
prefer my me.com.  So has the me.com gone?
Thanks.
Kawal.

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Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Sorry, but I find moderator's notes amusing.  You don't know how much I laugh 
because little things turn in to big things.  I've not had such a laugh for a 
long time on this list.  May be I'll get in to trouble, but at this point, I am 
not too worried.

Cara sounds like the head mistress, Mark sounds like the naughty head deputy 
who did a slight boo boo and Scott is like the kid who said something to start 
this all off!  Like you do normally do Scott, always gets caught out and gets 
in to trouble so he says 'sorry miss and Mr so so, won't do it again' but you 
know it happens again and it catches the mods out!  Oh such fun.
> On 10 Aug 2017, at 18:29, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> Why are you saying this policy has to do with personal feelings when you have 
> not taken any time at all to get to know either me or Mark? You have no idea 
> what our personal feelings are on this.
> 
> -Okay, to be fair, perhaps you have gotten to know Mark unbeknownst to me, 
> but I know you and I don’t really know each other. :)
> 
> So please don’t stir the pot just for the sake of stirring the pot. This 
> isn’t about our personal feelings.
> 
> Anyway, for the record, I really couldn’t care less if we discuss beta 
> material or not, providing that public discussion is permitted in the user 
> agreement provided along with the software for the public beta program. -And, 
> for what it’s worth, I agree with you that as blind customers, we really need 
> to make our voices heard on issues that are important to us. I just don’t 
> believe that we should be breaking agreements to do it unless that is 
> absolutely our *only* available option.
> 
> Since I am not a member of the public beta program, if someone would like to 
> post the agreement here or point me to it, I’ll be happy to take a look.
> 
> If it says we can discuss it then we’ll simply change the policy. No biggie.
> 
> This is not some big personal thing, this is just a matter of a simple user 
> agreement. That’s all.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> ---
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> ---
> View my Online Portfolio at:
> 
> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn
> 
> Follow me on Twitter!
> 
> https://twitter.com/ModelCara
> 
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Why join a list when the rules are based in some arbitrary feeling that is 
> based on personal feelings rather than the law?
> 
> That’s just silly.
> 
> Counter to you, on any list I run feel free to discuss public anything as 
> much as you like.  Public betas to public flogging, doesn’t matter to me.  
> Nor does it matter to Apple, their legal teams or any boiler plate.
> 
> It’s fine if Mark wants no discussion on a topic but don’t represent 
> something that’s not true, it’s a personal decision not one based on anything 
> legal or even best practices.  Public anything is open for discussion.  
> Developer betas are a different matter and nobody crossed that line.
> 
> Sometimes it’ really hurts.
> 
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:33 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
>> 
>> I am, and will still stand by mine and the group management thoughts on 
>> this. Questions about either Developer or public betas should not be 
>> allowed, in my opinion. Nough said. I do not allow such discussion on my own 
>> general technology list, which, btw you are more than welcome to join. 
>> Please ask off list so as to avoid clutter. Cheers!
>>> On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:55, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not even public beta questions.  Why?  Simple.  It’s still beta and 
>>> therefore, falls under Apple’s non disclosure agreement.  
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi mark!
 I am sorry for that one.
 Not even public beta questions?
 If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
 /A
 
> 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello Anders,
> 
> Beta software questions are not for this list.  
> 
> If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members 
> contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email 
> address in the body of the post.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
> 
> Hi!
> For you who are testing the latest Ios 

Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Scott, only you can do this kind of thing as you earn large sums of money, as 
you get paid well.  If you remember you said that to me.

Kawal.
> On 10 Aug 2017, at 19:03, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Simon, there’s lots of ways to skin this cat as they say.
> 
> For small money you can get portable solar chargers.  They make them from say 
> the size of a cassette tape up to something that folds out of a huge case and 
> takes up 10 SQFT or so.  Depending on your power needs you could charge 
> anything from a small phone up to car batteries or more with the right unit.  
> Costs range from free in the give away piles at trade shows for the small 
> stuff up to a grand or so for larger portable units.
>   Another option is what I did.   I installed a generator that runs on 
> natural gas.  I attach my gas feed from the street to the generator and then 
> a transfer switch where the power comes in to the house.  If the power drops 
> to the house the generator spins up, matches the AC phase coming out of the 
> battery bank and then engages.  When on city gas I never need to worry about 
> refueling because I’m pulling natural gas from the gas lines that feed my 
> kitchen and pool heater etc.  I can however use a propane tank feed if I  
> want locally stored fuel in the event the city gas isn’t flowing.
>   Another option is batteries.  You can take marine deep discharge 
> batteries and invert the power to get some AC power or run things natively 
> off the 12V.  You can charge while power is available.
>   Solar over all is yet another option.  I had this in California.  You 
> put panels on the roof and charge batteries in a reserve bank that way.  Gave 
> me enough power to run my house fully and sell power back to the electric 
> company during the day.  Also had 5 days of charge on the battery banks if I 
> lost power and the sun wasn’t strong enough.  This can be expensive north of 
> 35000 US dollars but the government also gave subsidies at the time, yours 
> may do the same thing.
>   Also for small money, you can buy a portable generator.  Honda makes 
> these along with several others, caterpillar comes to mind and Huskvarna.  
> Anywhere from a few hundred bucks on up and they can be as small as a bread 
> box or old style portable TV.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> A difference wifi charging might make in case of emergencys,
>> 
>> My question is how do you charge your phone if there is a major power outage 
>> in your town during a storm or something?
>> 
>> If there is no power to your house or say star bucks, then how do you charge?
>> No power no charging.
>> 
>> I'm one of those who has no landline phone, I have only a mobile 
>> My mobile has a geographically diverted landline number to my mobile but 
>> still I'm scscrewed if there is a natural disaster..
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 4:23 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
>> 
>> My goodness!
>> Thanks for that read.
>> I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
>> preparedness situations.
>> Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
>> wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
>> As in electromagnetic spectrum?
>> A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
>> much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried 
>> charging products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even 
>> that had to stop.
>> i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
>> Sony walkman.  had I not,
>> I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what 
>>  was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
>> I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
>> wireless charging might make During flooding?
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM How iPhone 8 could 
>>> change the wireless charging landscape - CNET As we approach the 
>>> expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is abuzz with 
>>> questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will the 
>>> presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully 
>>> replace Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone 
>>> finally get wireless charging?
>>> But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is 
>>> in the eye of the beholder.
>>> Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones 
>>> onto a charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging 
>>> cable. And those 

Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Cara Quinn]

Thanks ET.

Appreciate that.

Will read this over as soon as I can.

Have a great day!

Cheers!

Cara

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On Aug 10, 2017, at 2:59 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Apple's public beta NDA agreement at the following link...



>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/10/2017 1:27 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> 
> First off, I have not seen every post from Mark. I  can assure you though 
> that if he has inadvertently posted anything that was under beta, it was an 
> accident.
> 
> I’ve spoken with him and I trust him implicitly otherwise he would not be 
> moderating this list.
> 
> My understanding is that anything that has been posted here is not under NDA 
> so can be freely discussed.
> 
> If either I or Mark are wrong then please, by all means, point us to the post 
> in question. I am just asking that you do it off-list so we close this thread.
> 
> As far as your calling hypocrisy, though, and saying you can know my thoughts 
> / feelings with the limited knowledge you have of me, I will ask you simply, 
> what on earth have I done or said to you that basically makes you respond in 
> essence by either calling me a lier or a hypocrite every time I write 
> something in response to you, no matter how honest or matter-or-fact it is?
> 
> Scott, put simply, if you do not trust me or Mark, to the extent that you 
> feel that every time we respond to you, we are somehow not being honest then 
> why the hell are you still here? -And before you go shouting about this list 
> being some sort of power trip for me or Mark, if that were the case then one 
> of us would have simply removed you a long time ago.
> 
> We obviously haven’t. I was completely honest and straight-forward in my 
> response to you and I am honestly getting really tired of the same old 
> vitriol and pour-me stuff from your side.
> 
> there’s a lot that you say that I agree with and I think you have a whole lot 
> of knowledge and wisdom that you can and do share with this list.
> 
> So why the hell do you keep playing the whole downtrodden card?
> 
> You’re not downtrodden by any of the moderation. You say a lot of great 
> things here.
> 
> Just because I may not agree with every single thing you say does not mean I 
> do not respect you.
> 
> Whether or not you respect me on the other hand is your business.
> 
> I do wish you would stop the pettiness in your responses to me though. I 
> approached you with only honesty and plain english. -no name-calling or 
> sleights.
> 
> If you don’t respect me personally; fine, but please, if you honestly feel 
> that Mark and I in general, are being somehow underhanded with you, then 
> please just consider going elsewhere. I’m simply tired of your attitude no 
> matter how nice or respectful I attempt to be with you.
> 
> This is not a demand, this is simply a request because I have just simply had 
> enough of the BS.
> 
> So now, how much more honest would you like me to be?
> 
> Mark’s intentions have always been to be appropriate here on this list and he 
> holds himself very strongly to the same standards that he asks of anyone. I 
> have known him for many years and he exhibits tremendous character. So if he 
> has ever posted anything inappropriate you can be sure it was purely 
> accidental.
> 
> -And this is exactly what I am talking about. You should really get to know 
> someone before you speak out of turn about someone.
> 
> I know we all say things at times that are off, but rather than doubling down 
> on this sort of thing, why not actually attempt to listen to someone rather 
> than assume what you think they feel?
> 
> Anyway, my apologies for such a long note. Thanks for reading.
> 
> Consider it if you like; delete it if you want. -Either way is fine with me 
> at this point.
> 
> I wish you the best Scott, and have a great day.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Yes it really is.  When mark posts tens of articles on IOS 11 which is still 
> in beta yet complains when Anders asks a legitimate question that impacts our 
> community there is something clearly wrong.  I don’t need to know you 
> personally to know your personal feelings, remember the phrase actions speak 
> louder than words.  The hypocrisy in this case speaks volumes.  It’s a total 
> case of do as 

Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   Apple's public beta NDA agreement at the following link...



From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/10/2017 1:27 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:

Hi Scott,

First off, I have not seen every post from Mark. I  can assure you though that 
if he has inadvertently posted anything that was under beta, it was an accident.

I’ve spoken with him and I trust him implicitly otherwise he would not be 
moderating this list.

My understanding is that anything that has been posted here is not under NDA so 
can be freely discussed.

If either I or Mark are wrong then please, by all means, point us to the post 
in question. I am just asking that you do it off-list so we close this thread.

As far as your calling hypocrisy, though, and saying you can know my thoughts / 
feelings with the limited knowledge you have of me, I will ask you simply, what 
on earth have I done or said to you that basically makes you respond in essence 
by either calling me a lier or a hypocrite every time I write something in 
response to you, no matter how honest or matter-or-fact it is?

Scott, put simply, if you do not trust me or Mark, to the extent that you feel 
that every time we respond to you, we are somehow not being honest then why the 
hell are you still here? -And before you go shouting about this list being some 
sort of power trip for me or Mark, if that were the case then one of us would 
have simply removed you a long time ago.

We obviously haven’t. I was completely honest and straight-forward in my 
response to you and I am honestly getting really tired of the same old vitriol 
and pour-me stuff from your side.

there’s a lot that you say that I agree with and I think you have a whole lot 
of knowledge and wisdom that you can and do share with this list.

So why the hell do you keep playing the whole downtrodden card?

You’re not downtrodden by any of the moderation. You say a lot of great things 
here.

Just because I may not agree with every single thing you say does not mean I do 
not respect you.

Whether or not you respect me on the other hand is your business.

I do wish you would stop the pettiness in your responses to me though. I 
approached you with only honesty and plain english. -no name-calling or 
sleights.

If you don’t respect me personally; fine, but please, if you honestly feel that 
Mark and I in general, are being somehow underhanded with you, then please just 
consider going elsewhere. I’m simply tired of your attitude no matter how nice 
or respectful I attempt to be with you.

This is not a demand, this is simply a request because I have just simply had 
enough of the BS.

So now, how much more honest would you like me to be?

Mark’s intentions have always been to be appropriate here on this list and he 
holds himself very strongly to the same standards that he asks of anyone. I 
have known him for many years and he exhibits tremendous character. So if he 
has ever posted anything inappropriate you can be sure it was purely accidental.

-And this is exactly what I am talking about. You should really get to know 
someone before you speak out of turn about someone.

I know we all say things at times that are off, but rather than doubling down 
on this sort of thing, why not actually attempt to listen to someone rather 
than assume what you think they feel?

Anyway, my apologies for such a long note. Thanks for reading.

Consider it if you like; delete it if you want. -Either way is fine with me at 
this point.

I wish you the best Scott, and have a great day.

Cheers!

Cara

---
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---
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On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Yes it really is.  When mark posts tens of articles on IOS 11 which is still in 
beta yet complains when Anders asks a legitimate question that impacts our 
community there is something clearly wrong.  I don’t need to know you 
personally to know your personal feelings, remember the phrase actions speak 
louder than words.  The hypocrisy in this case speaks volumes.  It’s a total 
case of do as I say not as I do.

When dozens of sites post articles daily, some of which Mark himself has quoted 
on list about IOS betas and then pulls that crap with Anders it’s confusing at 
best and bad form.
No, I do not know you personally and no I don’t know Mark personally 
although I’ve talked to him a bit on list and so forth a bit more and have 
followed his postings since the mobile speak days but this sort of thing gives 
a bad impression.  I’ll withdraw the personal feelings aspect of the criticism 
if you feel it’s inaccurate but the 

Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Scott,

First off, I have not seen every post from Mark. I  can assure you though that 
if he has inadvertently posted anything that was under beta, it was an accident.

I’ve spoken with him and I trust him implicitly otherwise he would not be 
moderating this list.

My understanding is that anything that has been posted here is not under NDA so 
can be freely discussed.

If either I or Mark are wrong then please, by all means, point us to the post 
in question. I am just asking that you do it off-list so we close this thread.

As far as your calling hypocrisy, though, and saying you can know my thoughts / 
feelings with the limited knowledge you have of me, I will ask you simply, what 
on earth have I done or said to you that basically makes you respond in essence 
by either calling me a lier or a hypocrite every time I write something in 
response to you, no matter how honest or matter-or-fact it is?

Scott, put simply, if you do not trust me or Mark, to the extent that you feel 
that every time we respond to you, we are somehow not being honest then why the 
hell are you still here? -And before you go shouting about this list being some 
sort of power trip for me or Mark, if that were the case then one of us would 
have simply removed you a long time ago.

We obviously haven’t. I was completely honest and straight-forward in my 
response to you and I am honestly getting really tired of the same old vitriol 
and pour-me stuff from your side.

there’s a lot that you say that I agree with and I think you have a whole lot 
of knowledge and wisdom that you can and do share with this list.

So why the hell do you keep playing the whole downtrodden card?

You’re not downtrodden by any of the moderation. You say a lot of great things 
here.

Just because I may not agree with every single thing you say does not mean I do 
not respect you.

Whether or not you respect me on the other hand is your business.

I do wish you would stop the pettiness in your responses to me though. I 
approached you with only honesty and plain english. -no name-calling or 
sleights.

If you don’t respect me personally; fine, but please, if you honestly feel that 
Mark and I in general, are being somehow underhanded with you, then please just 
consider going elsewhere. I’m simply tired of your attitude no matter how nice 
or respectful I attempt to be with you.

This is not a demand, this is simply a request because I have just simply had 
enough of the BS.

So now, how much more honest would you like me to be?

Mark’s intentions have always been to be appropriate here on this list and he 
holds himself very strongly to the same standards that he asks of anyone. I 
have known him for many years and he exhibits tremendous character. So if he 
has ever posted anything inappropriate you can be sure it was purely accidental.

-And this is exactly what I am talking about. You should really get to know 
someone before you speak out of turn about someone.

I know we all say things at times that are off, but rather than doubling down 
on this sort of thing, why not actually attempt to listen to someone rather 
than assume what you think they feel?

Anyway, my apologies for such a long note. Thanks for reading.

Consider it if you like; delete it if you want. -Either way is fine with me at 
this point.

I wish you the best Scott, and have a great day.

Cheers!

Cara

---
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---
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http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn

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On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Yes it really is.  When mark posts tens of articles on IOS 11 which is still in 
beta yet complains when Anders asks a legitimate question that impacts our 
community there is something clearly wrong.  I don’t need to know you 
personally to know your personal feelings, remember the phrase actions speak 
louder than words.  The hypocrisy in this case speaks volumes.  It’s a total 
case of do as I say not as I do.

When dozens of sites post articles daily, some of which Mark himself has quoted 
on list about IOS betas and then pulls that crap with Anders it’s confusing at 
best and bad form.
No, I do not know you personally and no I don’t know Mark personally 
although I’ve talked to him a bit on list and so forth a bit more and have 
followed his postings since the mobile speak days but this sort of thing gives 
a bad impression.  I’ll withdraw the personal feelings aspect of the criticism 
if you feel it’s inaccurate but the general thrust still stands and also to be 
accurate, this is the first time in probably a year I’ve heard you comment on 
moderation so my point was mainly directed at Mark as you hadn’t joined the 
thread.  
I talked to Anders about this on the side.  We were both under the 
impression that the prohibition against public beta discussion had been lifted 
a long time ago again do to 

Re: Eclipse soundscapes

[Michael Marshall]

I have the entire set of recordings which you had mentioned. Absolutely 
brilliant stuff.
I imagine this would be the same.

> On 11 Aug 2017, at 12:40 am, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> How interesting!
> 
> Is this actual audio from the sun from the RF spectrum or an audio 
> description?
> 
> One of the coolest things I remember hearing was a recording from a space 
> probe of Saturn’s rings vibrating in resonance.  As a probe passes through 
> the rings it can record the resonance.  It sounds musical in a way.  Shows 
> how everything in the universe ultimately down to resonance and vibrations 
> whether it’s rings of planets, super membranes resonating in 11 dimensions to 
> create the experience we call the universe or vibrating musical notes it’s 
> all based on the same physics.  Love it!  Thanks for the post Donna.
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> The following was in Top Tech Tidbits today, and I thought it would be of 
>> interest to some on this list.  Apparently there is an app you can download 
>> and listen to audio of the upcoming solar eclipse.
>> http://eclipsesoundscapes.org 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Scott Granados]

That’s interesting, I’m with you though, Apple disabling this makes no sense.  
That chime is famous.  Independence Day (the first one) was another where the 
Apple chime was present.

This reminds me of the game of finding Bob in movies especially about 
computers.  Bob was on one of the screens in Jurassic Park for example.

   
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hey scott,
>  
> I know for a fact that a PRAM reset will also re enable the start up tones on 
> your mac book or iMac.
>  
> I’ve got a colleague that mutes them all the time and I use it as a notifier 
> to say the machine is powered on.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 2:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?
>  
> E.T. you are the man.
>  
> I’m going to try this out right now.
>  
> On Aug 9, 2017, at 10:55 AM, E.T.  > wrote:
>  
> sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
>  
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Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Simon, there’s lots of ways to skin this cat as they say.

For small money you can get portable solar chargers.  They make them from say 
the size of a cassette tape up to something that folds out of a huge case and 
takes up 10 SQFT or so.  Depending on your power needs you could charge 
anything from a small phone up to car batteries or more with the right unit.  
Costs range from free in the give away piles at trade shows for the small stuff 
up to a grand or so for larger portable units.
Another option is what I did.   I installed a generator that runs on 
natural gas.  I attach my gas feed from the street to the generator and then a 
transfer switch where the power comes in to the house.  If the power drops to 
the house the generator spins up, matches the AC phase coming out of the 
battery bank and then engages.  When on city gas I never need to worry about 
refueling because I’m pulling natural gas from the gas lines that feed my 
kitchen and pool heater etc.  I can however use a propane tank feed if I  want 
locally stored fuel in the event the city gas isn’t flowing.
Another option is batteries.  You can take marine deep discharge 
batteries and invert the power to get some AC power or run things natively off 
the 12V.  You can charge while power is available.
Solar over all is yet another option.  I had this in California.  You 
put panels on the roof and charge batteries in a reserve bank that way.  Gave 
me enough power to run my house fully and sell power back to the electric 
company during the day.  Also had 5 days of charge on the battery banks if I 
lost power and the sun wasn’t strong enough.  This can be expensive north of 
35000 US dollars but the government also gave subsidies at the time, yours may 
do the same thing.
Also for small money, you can buy a portable generator.  Honda makes 
these along with several others, caterpillar comes to mind and Huskvarna.  
Anywhere from a few hundred bucks on up and they can be as small as a bread box 
or old style portable TV.
 



> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> A difference wifi charging might make in case of emergencys,
> 
>  My question is how do you charge your phone if there is a major power outage 
> in your town during a storm or something?
> 
> If there is no power to your house or say star bucks, then how do you charge?
> No power no charging.
> 
> I'm one of those who has no landline phone, I have only a mobile 
> My mobile has a geographically diverted landline number to my mobile but 
> still I'm scscrewed if there is a natural disaster..
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 4:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
> 
> My goodness!
> Thanks for that read.
> I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
> preparedness situations.
> Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
> wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
> As in electromagnetic spectrum?
> A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
> much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
> products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
> stop.
> i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
> Sony walkman.  had I not,
>  I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what 
>  was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
> I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
> wireless charging might make During flooding?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM How iPhone 8 could 
>> change the wireless charging landscape - CNET As we approach the 
>> expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is abuzz with 
>> questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will the 
>> presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully 
>> replace Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone 
>> finally get wireless charging?
>> But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is 
>> in the eye of the beholder.
>> Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones 
>> onto a charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging 
>> cable. And those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at 
>> coffee shops, burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. 
>> But those pads still need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire 
>> is still there, it's just not attached directly to the phone.
>> 
>> Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include 

Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Scott Granados]

Yes it really is.  When mark posts tens of articles on IOS 11 which is still in 
beta yet complains when Anders asks a legitimate question that impacts our 
community there is something clearly wrong.  I don’t need to know you 
personally to know your personal feelings, remember the phrase actions speak 
louder than words.  The hypocrisy in this case speaks volumes.  It’s a total 
case of do as I say not as I do.

When dozens of sites post articles daily, some of which Mark himself has quoted 
on list about IOS betas and then pulls that crap with Anders it’s confusing at 
best and bad form.
No, I do not know you personally and no I don’t know Mark personally 
although I’ve talked to him a bit on list and so forth a bit more and have 
followed his postings since the mobile speak days but this sort of thing gives 
a bad impression.  I’ll withdraw the personal feelings aspect of the criticism 
if you feel it’s inaccurate but the general thrust still stands and also to be 
accurate, this is the first time in probably a year I’ve heard you comment on 
moderation so my point was mainly directed at Mark as you hadn’t joined the 
thread.  
I talked to Anders about this on the side.  We were both under the 
impression that the prohibition against public beta discussion had been lifted 
a long time ago again do to Mark’s posting of these topics as well as my own, 
Kliph’s and many others that went unchallenged for a year now.  As I stated, 
it’s your list so by extension sort of your house and I'll comply because we’re 
guests in your domain but that doesn’t make it right, reasonable or justifiable.
I most definitely did not mean to personally attack you or Mark so any 
thoughts around personal feelings or characteristics I’ll gladly withdraw but 
as far as professionalism goes and the business of running the list Mark’s 
stifling of Anders point was unacceptable but unacceptable is the way it will 
be if you, mark and the other mods if they exist say so.

So, no discussion of betas unless the mods post articles on the betas because 
it’s do as I say not as I do.  Got it!

Very confusing and inconsistent

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> Why are you saying this policy has to do with personal feelings when you have 
> not taken any time at all to get to know either me or Mark? You have no idea 
> what our personal feelings are on this.
> 
> -Okay, to be fair, perhaps you have gotten to know Mark unbeknownst to me, 
> but I know you and I don’t really know each other. :)
> 
> So please don’t stir the pot just for the sake of stirring the pot. This 
> isn’t about our personal feelings.
> 
> Anyway, for the record, I really couldn’t care less if we discuss beta 
> material or not, providing that public discussion is permitted in the user 
> agreement provided along with the software for the public beta program. -And, 
> for what it’s worth, I agree with you that as blind customers, we really need 
> to make our voices heard on issues that are important to us. I just don’t 
> believe that we should be breaking agreements to do it unless that is 
> absolutely our *only* available option.
> 
> Since I am not a member of the public beta program, if someone would like to 
> post the agreement here or point me to it, I’ll be happy to take a look.
> 
> If it says we can discuss it then we’ll simply change the policy. No biggie.
> 
> This is not some big personal thing, this is just a matter of a simple user 
> agreement. That’s all.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Why join a list when the rules are based in some arbitrary feeling that is 
> based on personal feelings rather than the law?
> 
> That’s just silly.
> 
> Counter to you, on any list I run feel free to discuss public anything as 
> much as you like.  Public betas to public flogging, doesn’t matter to me.  
> Nor does it matter to Apple, their legal teams or any boiler plate.
> 
> It’s fine if Mark wants no discussion on a topic but don’t represent 
> something that’s not true, it’s a personal decision not one based on anything 
> legal or even best practices.  Public anything is open for discussion.  
> Developer betas are a different matter and nobody crossed that line.
> 
> Sometimes it’ really hurts.
> 
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:33 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
>> 
>> I am, and will still stand by mine and the group management thoughts on 
>> this. Questions about either Developer or public betas should not be 
>> allowed, in my opinion. Nough said. I do not allow such discussion on my own 
>> general technology list, which, btw you are more than welcome to join. 
>> 

RE: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Anders,

Thank you so much for your very kind response.  

No, we do not host beta software questions on this list.  Again, you are 
certainly free to request that list members contact you off-list, however.  
And, as has been stated, there are email lists dedicated to beta software 
discussions that are available.  

Everyone, I will not debate this policy but kindly ask that you continue to 
observe it.

Family, we have really cultivated a kind and supportive community here; please 
let's not begin to disrupt it by engaging in a debate over a long-standing list 
policy when there is (1) other lists dedicated to such discussions and (2) so 
much wonderful technology heading our way, demanding our attention.  

So please, let's close this thread and move on, okay?

Thank you,

Mark 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

Hi mark!
I am sorry for that one.
Not even public beta questions?
If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
/A

> 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello Anders,
> 
> Beta software questions are not for this list.  
> 
> If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members 
> contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address 
> in the body of the post.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
> 
> Hi!
> For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for 
> you.
> If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
> comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
> I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
> voiceover will stay on the iphone.
> I have reported this to apple.
> I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
> device which was possible in ios 10.
> /A
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Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Let’s not forget that wireless power was Mr. Tesla’s dream that Thomas Edison 
derailed with his unfair business practices and not paying Tesla etc.

Who can say but if things were different we might be picking up energy from the 
air with antennas instead of using wires and plugs and outlets and all that 
infrastructure.  Remember Tesla wanted electricity to be beamed in to the air 
and available to everyone for free.  This is along the same lines.  I think of 
his work everytime I hear about these wireless charging systems.

Here’s another use, suppose you put wireless transmitters through out an 
airport.  Just by changing planes your phone in your bag or in your pocket will 
be charging.  Same with offices, coffee shops and all sorts of infrastructure.  
You might never need to plug in ever if you have chargers in all the right 
places.

Very exciting.
 

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> My goodness!
> Thanks for that read.
> I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
> preparedness situations.
> Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
> wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
> As in electromagnetic spectrum?
> A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
> much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
> products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
> stop.
> i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
> Sony walkman.  had I not,
> I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what  
> was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
> I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
> wireless charging might make During flooding?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
>> How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
>> As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
>> abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
>> the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully replace
>> Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
>> wireless charging?
>> But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in the
>> eye of the beholder.
>> Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
>> charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
>> those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
>> burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
>> need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
>> not attached directly to the phone.
>> 
>> Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
>> wireless charging compatibility.
>> Sarah Tew/CNET
>> That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
>> misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which
>> batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not centimeters --
>> is a real-world technology, too.
>> Wireless charging over a distance could be the real tech game changer,
>> allowing us to juice up our phones as soon as we walk into a room. The
>> technology is also a boon to the ever-increasing number of smart devices in
>> our lives, from portable speakers to hearing aids. It just needs to get over
>> the pesky questions over whether it's safe -- and actually show up in a
>> mass-market consumer device.
>> So, before we posit the question as to whether the next iPhones will include
>> wireless charging, let's start by untangling the different technologies that
>> Apple might incorporate.
>> Inductive charging: Qi vs. Powermat
>> Widely used for years in cordless electric toothbrushes, inductive charging
>> is the most common technology employed in most of today's "wireless"
>> charging devices and accessories. There are two major standards in the
>> space: Qi -- named for a Chinese word that means energy and is pronounced
>> "chee" -- and Powermat.
>> Both standards are also working to incorporate magnetic resonance
>> technology, which could charge over distances of up to 4 centimeters. That
>> would, for instance, mean that aligning your phone to the charging pad
>> "sweet spot" would be less of a hit-and-miss affair, or that the charging
>> pads could be hidden behind thin layers of wood or plastic.
>> 
>> The Samsung Galaxy S8 recharging on a Powermat inductive charger at a
>> Manhattan Starbucks.
>> Sarah Tew/CNET
>> Qi has been incorporated into phones from a variety of manufacturers, and
>> McDonald's has built Qi-compatible chargers into the furniture at its
>> restaurants. Powermat-infused tables, meanwhile, can be found in some
>> Starbucks and 

Moderator Note -was- Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Cara Quinn]

Hey Scott,

Why are you saying this policy has to do with personal feelings when you have 
not taken any time at all to get to know either me or Mark? You have no idea 
what our personal feelings are on this.

-Okay, to be fair, perhaps you have gotten to know Mark unbeknownst to me, but 
I know you and I don’t really know each other. :)

So please don’t stir the pot just for the sake of stirring the pot. This isn’t 
about our personal feelings.

Anyway, for the record, I really couldn’t care less if we discuss beta material 
or not, providing that public discussion is permitted in the user agreement 
provided along with the software for the public beta program. -And, for what 
it’s worth, I agree with you that as blind customers, we really need to make 
our voices heard on issues that are important to us. I just don’t believe that 
we should be breaking agreements to do it unless that is absolutely our *only* 
available option.

Since I am not a member of the public beta program, if someone would like to 
post the agreement here or point me to it, I’ll be happy to take a look.

If it says we can discuss it then we’ll simply change the policy. No biggie.

This is not some big personal thing, this is just a matter of a simple user 
agreement. That’s all.

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On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Why join a list when the rules are based in some arbitrary feeling that is 
based on personal feelings rather than the law?

That’s just silly.

Counter to you, on any list I run feel free to discuss public anything as much 
as you like.  Public betas to public flogging, doesn’t matter to me.  Nor does 
it matter to Apple, their legal teams or any boiler plate.

It’s fine if Mark wants no discussion on a topic but don’t represent something 
that’s not true, it’s a personal decision not one based on anything legal or 
even best practices.  Public anything is open for discussion.  Developer betas 
are a different matter and nobody crossed that line.

Sometimes it’ really hurts.

On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:33 AM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:
> 
> I am, and will still stand by mine and the group management thoughts on this. 
> Questions about either Developer or public betas should not be allowed, in my 
> opinion. Nough said. I do not allow such discussion on my own general 
> technology list, which, btw you are more than welcome to join. Please ask off 
> list so as to avoid clutter. Cheers!
>> On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:55, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Not even public beta questions.  Why?  Simple.  It’s still beta and 
>> therefore, falls under Apple’s non disclosure agreement.  
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi mark!
>>> I am sorry for that one.
>>> Not even public beta questions?
>>> If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
>>> /A
>>> 
 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor :
 
 Hello Anders,
 
 Beta software questions are not for this list.  
 
 If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members 
 contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email 
 address in the body of the post.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
 To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
 
 Hi!
 For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question 
 for you.
 If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that 
 it comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
 I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
 voiceover will stay on the iphone.
 I have reported this to apple.
 I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
 device which was possible in ios 10.
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Re: Eclipse soundscapes

[Scott Granados]

Here’s a link to the audio so you get an idea of what the rings of Saturn sound 
like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38pJhxCzR-I 


Lots of things make very interesting sounds on the radio spectrum.  Pulsars 
sound like perfectly time clicks, the sun has a rumble to it, even the echoes 
of the Big Bang itself are audible in the microwave spectrum. On your FM radio, 
the old non digital types, you hear that static between channels, that’s the 
Sun and stars.

Enjoy


> On Aug 10, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Wow, the Saturn thing sounds way cool.  You know as much as I do about the 
> eclipse thing, but my impression is that it's audio from the sun.  I hope so, 
> anyway. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> How interesting!
>> 
>> Is this actual audio from the sun from the RF spectrum or an audio 
>> description?
>> 
>> One of the coolest things I remember hearing was a recording from a space 
>> probe of Saturn’s rings vibrating in resonance.  As a probe passes through 
>> the rings it can record the resonance.  It sounds musical in a way.  Shows 
>> how everything in the universe ultimately down to resonance and vibrations 
>> whether it’s rings of planets, super membranes resonating in 11 dimensions 
>> to create the experience we call the universe or vibrating musical notes 
>> it’s all based on the same physics.  Love it!  Thanks for the post Donna.
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> The following was in Top Tech Tidbits today, and I thought it would be of 
>>> interest to some on this list.  Apparently there is an app you can download 
>>> and listen to audio of the upcoming solar eclipse.
>>> http://eclipsesoundscapes.org 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Eclipse soundscapes

[Donna Goodin]

Wow, the Saturn thing sounds way cool.  You know as much as I do about the 
eclipse thing, but my impression is that it's audio from the sun.  I hope so, 
anyway. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> How interesting!
> 
> Is this actual audio from the sun from the RF spectrum or an audio 
> description?
> 
> One of the coolest things I remember hearing was a recording from a space 
> probe of Saturn’s rings vibrating in resonance.  As a probe passes through 
> the rings it can record the resonance.  It sounds musical in a way.  Shows 
> how everything in the universe ultimately down to resonance and vibrations 
> whether it’s rings of planets, super membranes resonating in 11 dimensions to 
> create the experience we call the universe or vibrating musical notes it’s 
> all based on the same physics.  Love it!  Thanks for the post Donna.
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> The following was in Top Tech Tidbits today, and I thought it would be of 
>> interest to some on this list.  Apparently there is an app you can download 
>> and listen to audio of the upcoming solar eclipse.
>> http://eclipsesoundscapes.org 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   Resistance is futile.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 8/10/2017 8:23 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Well I know I was invited to join an Apple VIS public beta discussion and like 
I said, I’ll trust the suits from Harvard a great deal more than any legal 
advice on list.:)


On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:17 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Even Applevis puts restrictions on discussions regarding betas.



From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/10/2017 7:25 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

To answer Anders question, there has been a lot of discussion on the routing of 
voice over and air play. I have not tried this personally as I’m a google cast 
man myself but I do know there’s a lot of consternation and unhappy posts on 
the topic.  If we weren’t being treated like children we should be able to 
discuss this here for the good of our community but we can’t.



On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:13 AM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Hello, in answer to this then, you can contact me with any beta discussion at
challswor...@icloud.com
Please allow some patience as I tend to check email a few days apart. Cheers!


On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:57, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Anders,

Beta software questions are not for this list.

If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members contact 
you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address in the body 
of the post.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

Hi!
For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for you.
If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
voiceover will stay on the iphone.
I have reported this to apple.
I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport device 
which was possible in ios 10.
/A

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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   How long does it take to be accepted? Maybe I am too impatient? 3 
days? (smiles)


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/10/2017 8:24 AM, Kliphton Miller wrote:

If you want to discuss the beta’s freely, and you are using at least one beta 
on 1 of your devices, you can join my beta list
Are you testing an apple beta?  want to discuss bugs with other testers?  Then 
come join a friendly, helpful, laid back community where we can squash these 
bugs together, and report them to apple. Subscribe here
public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io
Because of the non disclosure agreement, I have to say if your not a beta 
tester, please don’t join the group.


On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:17 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Even Applevis puts restrictions on discussions regarding betas.



From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/10/2017 7:25 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

To answer Anders question, there has been a lot of discussion on the routing of 
voice over and air play. I have not tried this personally as I’m a google cast 
man myself but I do know there’s a lot of consternation and unhappy posts on 
the topic.  If we weren’t being treated like children we should be able to 
discuss this here for the good of our community but we can’t.



On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:13 AM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Hello, in answer to this then, you can contact me with any beta discussion at
challswor...@icloud.com
Please allow some patience as I tend to check email a few days apart. Cheers!


On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:57, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Anders,

Beta software questions are not for this list.

If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members contact 
you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address in the body 
of the post.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

Hi!
For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for you.
If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
voiceover will stay on the iphone.
I have reported this to apple.
I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport device 
which was possible in ios 10.
/A

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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Kliphton Miller]

If you want to discuss the beta’s freely, and you are using at least one beta 
on 1 of your devices, you can join my beta list
Are you testing an apple beta?  want to discuss bugs with other testers?  Then 
come join a friendly, helpful, laid back community where we can squash these 
bugs together, and report them to apple. Subscribe here
public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io
Because of the non disclosure agreement, I have to say if your not a beta 
tester, please don’t join the group.

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:17 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Even Applevis puts restrictions on discussions regarding betas.
> 
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/10/2017 7:25 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> To answer Anders question, there has been a lot of discussion on the routing 
>> of voice over and air play. I have not tried this personally as I’m a google 
>> cast man myself but I do know there’s a lot of consternation and unhappy 
>> posts on the topic.  If we weren’t being treated like children we should be 
>> able to discuss this here for the good of our community but we can’t.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:13 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, in answer to this then, you can contact me with any beta discussion 
>>> at
>>> challswor...@icloud.com
>>> Please allow some patience as I tend to check email a few days apart. 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
 On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:57, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Anders,
 
 Beta software questions are not for this list.
 
 If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members 
 contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email 
 address in the body of the post.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
 To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
 
 Hi!
 For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question 
 for you.
 If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that 
 it comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
 I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
 voiceover will stay on the iphone.
 I have reported this to apple.
 I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
 device which was possible in ios 10.
 /A
 
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Scott Granados]

Well I know I was invited to join an Apple VIS public beta discussion and like 
I said, I’ll trust the suits from Harvard a great deal more than any legal 
advice on list.:)

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:17 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Even Applevis puts restrictions on discussions regarding betas.
> 
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/10/2017 7:25 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> To answer Anders question, there has been a lot of discussion on the routing 
>> of voice over and air play. I have not tried this personally as I’m a google 
>> cast man myself but I do know there’s a lot of consternation and unhappy 
>> posts on the topic.  If we weren’t being treated like children we should be 
>> able to discuss this here for the good of our community but we can’t.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:13 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, in answer to this then, you can contact me with any beta discussion 
>>> at
>>> challswor...@icloud.com
>>> Please allow some patience as I tend to check email a few days apart. 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
 On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:57, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Anders,
 
 Beta software questions are not for this list.
 
 If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members 
 contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email 
 address in the body of the post.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
 To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
 
 Hi!
 For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question 
 for you.
 If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that 
 it comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
 I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
 voiceover will stay on the iphone.
 I have reported this to apple.
 I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
 device which was possible in ios 10.
 /A
 
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   Even Applevis puts restrictions on discussions regarding betas.



From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/10/2017 7:25 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

To answer Anders question, there has been a lot of discussion on the routing of 
voice over and air play. I have not tried this personally as I’m a google cast 
man myself but I do know there’s a lot of consternation and unhappy posts on 
the topic.  If we weren’t being treated like children we should be able to 
discuss this here for the good of our community but we can’t.



On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:13 AM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Hello, in answer to this then, you can contact me with any beta discussion at
challswor...@icloud.com
Please allow some patience as I tend to check email a few days apart. Cheers!


On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:57, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Anders,

Beta software questions are not for this list.

If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members contact 
you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address in the body 
of the post.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

Hi!
For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for you.
If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
voiceover will stay on the iphone.
I have reported this to apple.
I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport device 
which was possible in ios 10.
/A

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Re: Password expert says he was wrong: Numbers, capital letters and symbols are useless: USA Today

[Jonathan Cohn]

The recommended new password scheme is four random words. One Password can
generate these for you, if you adjust the properties. Most people I know
that are not security experts tend to say "I just discovered I can add  1
to the password and the password change accepts that." So, it is good to
see that maybe the standards of passwords are actually moving, though I do
prefer the current Federal process of having a digital certificate on a
Smart Card and a simple pass phrase. The VA cards had copies of our
fingerprints, but I don't believe there was any push to get all federal
agencies to have fingerprint readers on all systems. And even if they did
unless integrated to the same extent as what Apple does for their
fingerprint sensors would cause me concerns that the system could be
compromised.



On 10 August 2017 at 10:34, Scott Granados  wrote:

> A-Men brother, well said.
>
> I read the article Mark posted and it’s very interesting.  It’s not that
> the numbers and letter replacement method was bad it was more that nobody
> was remembering passwords and using the same thing over and over again.  I
> think the author would rather have us use passwords easy to remember but
> different across sites instead of one somewhat complex but guessable phrase.
>
> I’m like you a very big proponent of 2factor.  I use 2factor absolutely
> everywhere from my bank to Apple, Google, Digital Ocean and across the
> entire enterprise at work.  It’s so important.  The lack of 2factor was
> instrumental in our last election it’s so important.
>
> Well said and +1 to Chris’s points.
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, christopher hallsworth <
> challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, if possible, I protect my accounts with two factor
> authentication, two step verification, security keys and the like.
> Basically, a second layer such as a randomly generated code, sent by text,
> as well as my account specific password, is my personal best advice. That
> way, even if someone manages to correctly guess your password, they will
> still be locked out unless they have your nominated phone with them. Apple
> particularly takes this level of security very seriously, and is now
> required for apps to use certain iCloud features, such as Microsoft Outlook
> for Mail, Calendar and People.
> >> On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >>
> >> Password expert says he was wrong: Numbers, capital letters and symbols
> are
> >> useless
> >> By Ashley May
> >>
> >> USA TODAY Cybersecurity experts say certain password rules are
> ineffective.
> >> Here is some of the latest advice on setting and resetting them. Time
> The
> >> man who said use capital letters, special characters and numbers in your
> >> password is now taking back that advice. (Photo: hanieriani, Getty
> >> Images/iStockphoto) The man behind the 2003 report responsible for many
> >> current password guidelines says the advice is wrong. Bill Burr, the
> author
> >> of an 8-page publication released by the National Institute of
> Standards and
> >> Technology, told The Wall Street Journal his previous advice of creating
> >> passwords with special characters, mixed-case letters and numbers won't
> >> deter hackers. In fact, he told the journal,'the paper wasn't based on
> any
> >> real-world password data, but rather a paper written in the 1980s.
> 'Much of
> >> what I did I now regret,' Burr told The Wall Street Journal . The
> problem is
> >> that federal agencies, businesses and institutions took the paper
> >> seriously'very seriously. The report turned into password protocol.
> Today,
> >> even though Burr's report was updated in June, we are still prompted to
> >> change our password every 90 days using at least one capital letter,
> symbol
> >> and number. These combinations aren't secure,'mainly because people
> choose
> >> predictable combinations. The advice about frequently changing a
> password
> >> has been criticized since the report. A 2010 study by the University of
> >> North Carolina at Chapel Hill showed that updating passwords often can
> >> actually help hackers identify a pattern. Another study from Carleton
> >> University said frequent changes are more inconvenient than helpful. The
> >> better solution could be to simply use a password with four random
> words,
> >> because the number of letters can be more difficult to hack than a small
> >> combination of letters and special characters, the Journal reports.
> Finally,
> >> a good reason to ignore those password prompts and come up with one we
> can
> >> actually remember. Follow Ashley May on Twitter: @AshleyMayTweets
> >>
> >> Original Article at:
> >> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/08/
> 09/password-expert-sa
> >> ys-he-wrong-numbers-capital-letters-and-symbols-useless/552013001/
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Re: Can't we use iCloud instead of dropbox?

[Scott Granados]

Why not use networking features and share the drives so you can copy from one 
to another with just a cut and paste move.  You could share your disks and then 
move files between the platforms.  Just another way to think about the problem 
you’re trying to solve.

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:36 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> While i was using windows, all my documents were be on my dropbox, and when 
> converting to mac, i’m still using the same way ignorer to be able to open 
> all my documents through my computers, but now my Studio HD is so small and i 
> don’t want to spend my HD size on my dropbox files, so, am using the dropbox 
> just on my Laptop.
> i was thinking to use my iCloud to sync my documents between my mac and my 
> studio hd,
> is there a way to use the iCloud as a drive not through the apps? because 
> most of my documents were written on windows without using he text edit or 
> something.
> or do you have any other suggestion?
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Re: Eclipse soundscapes

[Scott Granados]

How interesting!

Is this actual audio from the sun from the RF spectrum or an audio description?

One of the coolest things I remember hearing was a recording from a space probe 
of Saturn’s rings vibrating in resonance.  As a probe passes through the rings 
it can record the resonance.  It sounds musical in a way.  Shows how everything 
in the universe ultimately down to resonance and vibrations whether it’s rings 
of planets, super membranes resonating in 11 dimensions to create the 
experience we call the universe or vibrating musical notes it’s all based on 
the same physics.  Love it!  Thanks for the post Donna.

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> The following was in Top Tech Tidbits today, and I thought it would be of 
> interest to some on this list.  Apparently there is an app you can download 
> and listen to audio of the upcoming solar eclipse.
> http://eclipsesoundscapes.org 
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Password expert says he was wrong: Numbers, capital letters and symbols are useless: USA Today

[Scott Granados]

A-Men brother, well said.

I read the article Mark posted and it’s very interesting.  It’s not that the 
numbers and letter replacement method was bad it was more that nobody was 
remembering passwords and using the same thing over and over again.  I think 
the author would rather have us use passwords easy to remember but different 
across sites instead of one somewhat complex but guessable phrase.

I’m like you a very big proponent of 2factor.  I use 2factor absolutely 
everywhere from my bank to Apple, Google, Digital Ocean and across the entire 
enterprise at work.  It’s so important.  The lack of 2factor was instrumental 
in our last election it’s so important.

Well said and +1 to Chris’s points.


> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
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> Hello, if possible, I protect my accounts with two factor authentication, two 
> step verification, security keys and the like. Basically, a second layer such 
> as a randomly generated code, sent by text, as well as my account specific 
> password, is my personal best advice. That way, even if someone manages to 
> correctly guess your password, they will still be locked out unless they have 
> your nominated phone with them. Apple particularly takes this level of 
> security very seriously, and is now required for apps to use certain iCloud 
> features, such as Microsoft Outlook for Mail, Calendar and People.
>> On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Password expert says he was wrong: Numbers, capital letters and symbols are
>> useless
>> By Ashley May
>> 
>> USA TODAY Cybersecurity experts say certain password rules are ineffective.
>> Here is some of the latest advice on setting and resetting them. Time The
>> man who said use capital letters, special characters and numbers in your
>> password is now taking back that advice. (Photo: hanieriani, Getty
>> Images/iStockphoto) The man behind the 2003 report responsible for many
>> current password guidelines says the advice is wrong. Bill Burr, the author
>> of an 8-page publication released by the National Institute of Standards and
>> Technology, told The Wall Street Journal his previous advice of creating
>> passwords with special characters, mixed-case letters and numbers won't
>> deter hackers. In fact, he told the journal,'the paper wasn't based on any
>> real-world password data, but rather a paper written in the 1980s. 'Much of
>> what I did I now regret,' Burr told The Wall Street Journal . The problem is
>> that federal agencies, businesses and institutions took the paper
>> seriously'very seriously. The report turned into password protocol. Today,
>> even though Burr's report was updated in June, we are still prompted to
>> change our password every 90 days using at least one capital letter, symbol
>> and number. These combinations aren't secure,'mainly because people choose
>> predictable combinations. The advice about frequently changing a password
>> has been criticized since the report. A 2010 study by the University of
>> North Carolina at Chapel Hill showed that updating passwords often can
>> actually help hackers identify a pattern. Another study from Carleton
>> University said frequent changes are more inconvenient than helpful. The
>> better solution could be to simply use a password with four random words,
>> because the number of letters can be more difficult to hack than a small
>> combination of letters and special characters, the Journal reports. Finally,
>> a good reason to ignore those password prompts and come up with one we can
>> actually remember. Follow Ashley May on Twitter: @AshleyMayTweets 
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/08/09/password-expert-sa
>> ys-he-wrong-numbers-capital-letters-and-symbols-useless/552013001/
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Scott Granados]

To answer Anders question, there has been a lot of discussion on the routing of 
voice over and air play. I have not tried this personally as I’m a google cast 
man myself but I do know there’s a lot of consternation and unhappy posts on 
the topic.  If we weren’t being treated like children we should be able to 
discuss this here for the good of our community but we can’t.


> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:13 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello, in answer to this then, you can contact me with any beta discussion at
> challswor...@icloud.com
> Please allow some patience as I tend to check email a few days apart. Cheers!
> 
>> On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:57, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Anders,
>> 
>> Beta software questions are not for this list.  
>> 
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>> contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address 
>> in the body of the post.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Hi!
>> For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for 
>> you.
>> If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
>> comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
>> I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
>> voiceover will stay on the iphone.
>> I have reported this to apple.
>> I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
>> device which was possible in ios 10.
>> /A
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Scott Granados]

Why join a list when the rules are based in some arbitrary feeling that is 
based on personal feelings rather than the law?

That’s just silly.

Counter to you, on any list I run feel free to discuss public anything as much 
as you like.  Public betas to public flogging, doesn’t matter to me.  Nor does 
it matter to Apple, their legal teams or any boiler plate.

It’s fine if Mark wants no discussion on a topic but don’t represent something 
that’s not true, it’s a personal decision not one based on anything legal or 
even best practices.  Public anything is open for discussion.  Developer betas 
are a different matter and nobody crossed that line.

Sometimes it’ really hurts.

On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:33 AM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:
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> I am, and will still stand by mine and the group management thoughts on this. 
> Questions about either Developer or public betas should not be allowed, in my 
> opinion. Nough said. I do not allow such discussion on my own general 
> technology list, which, btw you are more than welcome to join. Please ask off 
> list so as to avoid clutter. Cheers!
>> On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:55, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Not even public beta questions.  Why?  Simple.  It’s still beta and 
>> therefore, falls under Apple’s non disclosure agreement.  
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi mark!
>>> I am sorry for that one.
>>> Not even public beta questions?
>>> If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
>>> /A
>>> 
 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor :
 
 Hello Anders,
 
 Beta software questions are not for this list.  
 
 If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members 
 contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email 
 address in the body of the post.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
 To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
 
 Hi!
 For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question 
 for you.
 If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that 
 it comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
 I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
 voiceover will stay on the iphone.
 I have reported this to apple.
 I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
 device which was possible in ios 10.
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Scott Granados]

Ray, again you’re wrong.
 I have had the council for two companies I have worked for evaluate this and 
they say not only is it acceptable to discuss public beta items on public lists 
but it’ was acceptable for me to do so representing the interests of the 
companies so not only was I protected as an individual I was protected if I 
wanted to discuss the topic on behalf of my employers.  Something they wouldn’t 
do lightly.  Further more, there’s enough case law to demonstrate that 
including the word public removes any expectation of privacy.  (If you don’t 
secure your own trade secrets and represent them as public they are not trade 
secrets). I forget the latin phrase for this but I’ve won hundreds of thousands 
in a case where I was given secret information that was represented as public 
and then attacked for releasing that data even though I had received 
authorization.  
Finally, most of the verbiage in any Apple non disclosure is non 
enforceable outside California because of imperfections in the language.  

The most important precedent here though is Apple has already dictated this to 
be a public beta.  Public is the important adjective here and indicates that 
it’s for public consumption and discussion.  So again, unless you know what 
you’re talking about please stop giving bad advice.  I’m quite sure the Harvard 
Law School suits who advise me are more clueful on the topic. 

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Not even public beta questions.  Why?  Simple.  It’s still beta and 
> therefore, falls under Apple’s non disclosure agreement.  
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi mark!
>> I am sorry for that one.
>> Not even public beta questions?
>> If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hello Anders,
>>> 
>>> Beta software questions are not for this list.  
>>> 
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>>> contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address 
>>> in the body of the post.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for 
>>> you.
>>> If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
>>> comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
>>> I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
>>> voiceover will stay on the iphone.
>>> I have reported this to apple.
>>> I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
>>> device which was possible in ios 10.
>>> /A
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Re: Password expert says he was wrong: Numbers, capital letters and symbols are useless: USA Today

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, if possible, I protect my accounts with two factor authentication, two 
step verification, security keys and the like. Basically, a second layer such 
as a randomly generated code, sent by text, as well as my account specific 
password, is my personal best advice. That way, even if someone manages to 
correctly guess your password, they will still be locked out unless they have 
your nominated phone with them. Apple particularly takes this level of security 
very seriously, and is now required for apps to use certain iCloud features, 
such as Microsoft Outlook for Mail, Calendar and People.
> On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Password expert says he was wrong: Numbers, capital letters and symbols are
> useless
> By Ashley May
> 
> USA TODAY Cybersecurity experts say certain password rules are ineffective.
> Here is some of the latest advice on setting and resetting them. Time The
> man who said use capital letters, special characters and numbers in your
> password is now taking back that advice. (Photo: hanieriani, Getty
> Images/iStockphoto) The man behind the 2003 report responsible for many
> current password guidelines says the advice is wrong. Bill Burr, the author
> of an 8-page publication released by the National Institute of Standards and
> Technology, told The Wall Street Journal his previous advice of creating
> passwords with special characters, mixed-case letters and numbers won't
> deter hackers. In fact, he told the journal,'the paper wasn't based on any
> real-world password data, but rather a paper written in the 1980s. 'Much of
> what I did I now regret,' Burr told The Wall Street Journal . The problem is
> that federal agencies, businesses and institutions took the paper
> seriously'very seriously. The report turned into password protocol. Today,
> even though Burr's report was updated in June, we are still prompted to
> change our password every 90 days using at least one capital letter, symbol
> and number. These combinations aren't secure,'mainly because people choose
> predictable combinations. The advice about frequently changing a password
> has been criticized since the report. A 2010 study by the University of
> North Carolina at Chapel Hill showed that updating passwords often can
> actually help hackers identify a pattern. Another study from Carleton
> University said frequent changes are more inconvenient than helpful. The
> better solution could be to simply use a password with four random words,
> because the number of letters can be more difficult to hack than a small
> combination of letters and special characters, the Journal reports. Finally,
> a good reason to ignore those password prompts and come up with one we can
> actually remember. Follow Ashley May on Twitter: @AshleyMayTweets 
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/08/09/password-expert-sa
> ys-he-wrong-numbers-capital-letters-and-symbols-useless/552013001/
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Scott Granados]

Anders, for some reason Mark won’t let us discuss what’s available absolutely 
everywhere else including articles posted to me every day on redmondpie and 9 
to 5 Mac among others.

Even though it’s critical for we blind to participate in the public betas to 
report on Voice over issues because we’re such a small community the topic is 
banned here and for no good reason at all.  I think there’s a lack of 
understanding of the word public or something.  Either way, I hate to do this 
and promote another list but since I disagree so strongly with this policy and 
had rather hoped it had died as it hadn’t been mentioned in a while until 
Mark’s recent posting I’m going to advise you to go to either the Public Beta 
List that Kliph runs or the Apple VIS public discussion area.  The fact we 
can’t discuss this here is probably one of this biggest negatives against this 
list which is to bad because in just about every other way I can think of it’s 
right on the money.

Either way since it’s Mark’s show I will of course comply but I would suggest 
the two options for your consideration and or any of my lists the topic is 
totally acceptable but I will not pimp my lists on this thread feel free to 
contact me off list for more specifics.

Thanks



> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi mark!
> I am sorry for that one.
> Not even public beta questions?
> If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
> /A
> 
>> 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor :
>> 
>> Hello Anders,
>> 
>> Beta software questions are not for this list.  
>> 
>> If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members 
>> contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address 
>> in the body of the post.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Hi!
>> For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for 
>> you.
>> If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
>> comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
>> I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
>> voiceover will stay on the iphone.
>> I have reported this to apple.
>> I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
>> device which was possible in ios 10.
>> /A
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, in answer to this then, you can contact me with any beta discussion at
challswor...@icloud.com
Please allow some patience as I tend to check email a few days apart. Cheers!

> On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:57, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Anders,
> 
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> 
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> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
> 
> Hi!
> For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for 
> you.
> If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
> comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
> I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
> voiceover will stay on the iphone.
> I have reported this to apple.
> I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
> device which was possible in ios 10.
> /A
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[christopher hallsworth]

I am, and will still stand by mine and the group management thoughts on this. 
Questions about either Developer or public betas should not be allowed, in my 
opinion. Nough said. I do not allow such discussion on my own general 
technology list, which, btw you are more than welcome to join. Please ask off 
list so as to avoid clutter. Cheers!
> On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:55, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Not even public beta questions.  Why?  Simple.  It’s still beta and 
> therefore, falls under Apple’s non disclosure agreement.  
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi mark!
>> I am sorry for that one.
>> Not even public beta questions?
>> If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor :
>>> 
>>> Hello Anders,
>>> 
>>> Beta software questions are not for this list.  
>>> 
>>> If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members 
>>> contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address 
>>> in the body of the post.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for 
>>> you.
>>> If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
>>> comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
>>> I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
>>> voiceover will stay on the iphone.
>>> I have reported this to apple.
>>> I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
>>> device which was possible in ios 10.
>>> /A
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Ray Foret jr]

Not even public beta questions.  Why?  Simple.  It’s still beta and therefore, 
falls under Apple’s non disclosure agreement.  
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi mark!
> I am sorry for that one.
> Not even public beta questions?
> If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
> /A
> 
>> 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor :
>> 
>> Hello Anders,
>> 
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>> 
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>> contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address 
>> in the body of the post.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Hi!
>> For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for 
>> you.
>> If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
>> comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
>> I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
>> voiceover will stay on the iphone.
>> I have reported this to apple.
>> I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
>> device which was possible in ios 10.
>> /A
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi mark!
I am sorry for that one.
Not even public beta questions?
If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
/A

> 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor :
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> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
> 
> Hi!
> For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for 
> you.
> If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
> comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
> I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
> voiceover will stay on the iphone.
> I have reported this to apple.
> I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
> device which was possible in ios 10.
> /A
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Eclipse soundscapes

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

The following was in Top Tech Tidbits today, and I thought it would be of 
interest to some on this list.  Apparently there is an app you can download and 
listen to audio of the upcoming solar eclipse.
http://eclipsesoundscapes.org 

Cheers,
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Re: Can't we use iCloud instead of dropbox?

[Oriol Gómez]

you can use iCloud drive on the mac by hitting command shift i, that
puts you in your icloud folder which is backed up to the network and
doesn't use space on your hd

On 8/10/17, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> While i was using windows, all my documents were be on my dropbox, and when
> converting to mac, i’m still using the same way ignorer to be able to open
> all my documents through my computers, but now my Studio HD is so small and
> i don’t want to spend my HD size on my dropbox files, so, am using the
> dropbox just on my Laptop.
> i was thinking to use my iCloud to sync my documents between my mac and my
> studio hd,
> is there a way to use the iCloud as a drive not through the apps? because
> most of my documents were written on windows without using he text edit or
> something.
> or do you have any other suggestion?
> Thanks in advance
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Can't we use iCloud instead of dropbox?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

While i was using windows, all my documents were be on my dropbox, and when 
converting to mac, i’m still using the same way ignorer to be able to open all 
my documents through my computers, but now my Studio HD is so small and i don’t 
want to spend my HD size on my dropbox files, so, am using the dropbox just on 
my Laptop.
i was thinking to use my iCloud to sync my documents between my mac and my 
studio hd,
is there a way to use the iCloud as a drive not through the apps? because most 
of my documents were written on windows without using he text edit or something.
or do you have any other suggestion?
Thanks in advance 

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RE: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

A difference wifi charging might make in case of emergencys,

  My question is how do you charge your phone if there is a major power outage 
in your town during a storm or something?

If there is no power to your house or say star bucks, then how do you charge?
 No power no charging.

 I'm one of those who has no landline phone, I have only a mobile 
My mobile has a geographically diverted landline number to my mobile but still 
I'm scscrewed if there is a natural disaster..
 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 4:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

My goodness!
Thanks for that read.
I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency preparedness 
situations.
Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
wireless  charging runs on radio waves?
As in electromagnetic spectrum?
A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three days, 
much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried charging 
products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even that had to 
stop.
i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand a 
Sony walkman.  had I not,
  I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about what  
was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no heat.
I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
wireless charging might make During flooding?
Kare



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:

> CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM How iPhone 8 could 
> change the wireless charging landscape - CNET As we approach the 
> expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is abuzz with 
> questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will the 
> presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully 
> replace Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone 
> finally get wireless charging?
> But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is 
> in the eye of the beholder.
> Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones 
> onto a charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging 
> cable. And those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at 
> coffee shops, burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. 
> But those pads still need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire 
> is still there, it's just not attached directly to the phone.
>
> Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include 
> wireless charging compatibility.
> Sarah Tew/CNET
> That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a 
> misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which 
> batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not 
> centimeters -- is a real-world technology, too.
> Wireless charging over a distance could be the real tech game changer, 
> allowing us to juice up our phones as soon as we walk into a room. The 
> technology is also a boon to the ever-increasing number of smart 
> devices in our lives, from portable speakers to hearing aids. It just 
> needs to get over the pesky questions over whether it's safe -- and 
> actually show up in a mass-market consumer device.
> So, before we posit the question as to whether the next iPhones will 
> include wireless charging, let's start by untangling the different 
> technologies that Apple might incorporate.
> Inductive charging: Qi vs. Powermat
> Widely used for years in cordless electric toothbrushes, inductive 
> charging is the most common technology employed in most of today's "wireless"
> charging devices and accessories. There are two major standards in the
> space: Qi -- named for a Chinese word that means energy and is 
> pronounced "chee" -- and Powermat.
> Both standards are also working to incorporate magnetic resonance 
> technology, which could charge over distances of up to 4 centimeters. 
> That would, for instance, mean that aligning your phone to the 
> charging pad "sweet spot" would be less of a hit-and-miss affair, or 
> that the charging pads could be hidden behind thin layers of wood or plastic.
>
> The Samsung Galaxy S8 recharging on a Powermat inductive charger at a 
> Manhattan Starbucks.
> Sarah Tew/CNET
> Qi has been incorporated into phones from a variety of manufacturers, 
> and McDonald's has built Qi-compatible chargers into the furniture at 
> its restaurants. Powermat-infused tables, meanwhile, can be found in 
> some Starbucks and airport lounges.
> The rivals are backed by two opposing standards organizations, too: 
> The Wireless Power Consortium for Qi, and the AirFuel Alliance for 
> Powermat. The latter was formed when Powermat and its Power Matters 
> Alliance merged 

RE: Strange issue.

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes under settings,
Phone
And then 
Calls on other devices, when near by,
 Click on this and then work your way down the page, it will list any devices 
on the same iCloud account, you can unselect the one you don't wish to have 
ring, so in each device untick the one that is the other device.

Good luck.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 3:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange issue.

Hi,

It sounds like your client has enabled the "Calls from other Devices" feature.  
That can be modified in the Phone pane of Settings.  Also, they may wish to 
check some of the settings within the FaceTime pane of Settings.  I would turn 
off any connections on the work device that may be forwarded from the personal 
device first.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 9, 2017, at 09:41, Jim Noseworthy  
wrote:

Hey Gang:

I have a client who has a work iPhone and one for personal use.  Both are using 
the same iCloud account.  When anyone calls either phone number, both phones 
ring and the call can be answered from either of the two phones.

Where is a setting that would disable/enable this?

Thanks all over the place gang.


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RE: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey scott,

I know for a fact that a PRAM reset will also re enable the start up tones on 
your mac book or iMac.

I’ve got a colleague that mutes them all the time and I use it as a notifier to 
say the machine is powered on.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 2:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

E.T. you are the man.

I’m going to try this out right now.

On Aug 9, 2017, at 10:55 AM, E.T. 
> wrote:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%01

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RE: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks ET,

I'm interested to try that one,

 Or simply a PRAM reset does the audio reset as well.

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On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 2:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?


sudo nvram BootAudio=%01

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/9/2017 5:55 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> Definitely disabled, not just on mine but all the new models we use at work.
>
>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 5:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> You sure this chime has been disabled or is it just it has been muted on 
>> your machine.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 6:37 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?
>>
>> Who’s dumb idea was it to disable the chime anyway.  I mean that’s Apple’s 
>> thing, their trademark, I mean really they always had an interesting startup 
>> sound starting from the Apple 2 on up.  I’m going to try to figure this out 
>> now that I know a solution exists.
>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 2:26 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well apparently, there is a terminal command to get the chimes back on 
>>> newer max. Unfortunately, I don’t know it. I just saw that there was a 
>>> command on YouTube.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:

 The Macs no longer have a chime on boot up, at least the new crop of 
 laptops doesn’t.  You get the same beep the iPhone makes when you apply 
 power but no more chime and frankly I miss the chime and wish it weren’t 
 removed.

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>
> The missing element here is, unlike the Mac, the iPhone does not emit a 
> chime when its powered on. Its a lengthy wait until it boots and VO 
> sounds off. A long wait to find out if it actually turned on.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
>> On 8/8/2017 8:49 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> It does, it beeps when VO activates, it  beeps when you’re attached to 
>> power and you boot and it says shutting down when you power down. That’s 
>> pretty good no?
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Join the club; I’ve always wished there were as well.  It would really 
>>> be helpful considering the fact that we can’t see the logo come up on 
>>> the screen.
 On Aug 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

 Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such 
 a sound. I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson  
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been 
> a way for me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged 
> into power or my macbook.
> Is there any way that
> I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if 
> it’s not plugged into power?
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have 
>> had some fun with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.
>>
>> Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is 
>> connected, like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do 
>> this, but as long as you have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, 
>> you can enable this feature.  I use it and like it a lot as I can 
>> know for sure that my cable has initiated the charging cycle 
>> audibly.  Instructions below:
>>
>> To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro 
>> & MacBook Air Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power 
>> 

RE: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hell, I hadn't noticed that one.

 I'll have to give it a go with one at work.

I thought that was the key symbol of the apple mac computer line, basically 
it's been there since day one except for a couple of tone changes, it even made 
the movies when wali spread his solar panels to charge himself.
 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 10 August 2017 12:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

Definitely disabled, not just on mine but all the new models we use at work.

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 5:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> You sure this chime has been disabled or is it just it has been muted on your 
> machine.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 6:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?
> 
> Who’s dumb idea was it to disable the chime anyway.  I mean that’s Apple’s 
> thing, their trademark, I mean really they always had an interesting startup 
> sound starting from the Apple 2 on up.  I’m going to try to figure this out 
> now that I know a solution exists.
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 2:26 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Well apparently, there is a terminal command to get the chimes back on newer 
>> max. Unfortunately, I don’t know it. I just saw that there was a command on 
>> YouTube.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macs no longer have a chime on boot up, at least the new crop of 
>>> laptops doesn’t.  You get the same beep the iPhone makes when you apply 
>>> power but no more chime and frankly I miss the chime and wish it weren’t 
>>> removed.
>>> 
 On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 The missing element here is, unlike the Mac, the iPhone does not emit a 
 chime when its powered on. Its a lengthy wait until it boots and VO sounds 
 off. A long wait to find out if it actually turned on.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
 world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
 mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 8/8/2017 8:49 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> It does, it beeps when VO activates, it  beeps when you’re attached to 
> power and you boot and it says shutting down when you power down. That’s 
> pretty good no?
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Jessica Moss  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Join the club; I’ve always wished there were as well.  It would really 
>> be helpful considering the fact that we can’t see the logo come up on 
>> the screen.
>>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such a 
>>> sound. I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson  
 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been a 
 way for me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged 
 into power or my macbook.
 Is there any way that
 I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if 
 it’s not plugged into power?
 Peace,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
> On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have had 
> some fun with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.
> 
> Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is 
> connected, like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do 
> this, but as long as you have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, you 
> can enable this feature.  I use it and like it a lot as I can know 
> for sure that my cable has initiated the charging cycle audibly.  
> Instructions below:
> 
> To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro 
> & MacBook Air Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power source 
> Open the Terminal app, found in /Applications/Utilities/ Enter 
> the following command syntax, be sure there are no breaks as you’ll 
> want to fit the entire