Re: Another phenominal story to tell you all about Apple Accessibility!

2016-11-17 Thread E.T.
   Heh. Its been ages, last I remember him was a TV ad I think for 
carpet. All you could see was his head on top of the floor and probably 
saying something being walked on.


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On 11/17/2016 8:15 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I always new I liked you E.T.  Don Rickles is the man.

I saw him open for Frank at Foxwoods Casino when I was much younger.

:)


On Nov 17, 2016, at 11:13 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  That was somewhat a tongue in cheek comment. Think Don Rickles.

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On 11/17/2016 7:55 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I’m not sure why there wouldn’t be hope for Apple, this is pretty common 
behavior although you’d have to be pretty odd to be ripping off parts of the 
tray that’s already installed.  I can sort of understand how this might happen 
though as sometimes the components feel different than you might imagine but in 
general, if I don’t know what it is I don’t rip it off.;)


On Nov 17, 2016, at 10:45 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

 There is hope for Apple yet. (shakes head in wonderment)

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On 11/17/2016 12:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys, once again, Apple has done it! They have exceeded my expectations
by far! I'm very very impressed!

So, here's the medium length version of the Sauga.

I have two iPhones, a 7+, and a 6S.

What I wanted to do was, I wanted to take the sim cards, and reverse
them. So the 6S goes in the 7+, the 7+ goes in the 6S. Basically a phone
number swap.

What happened was, for some reason, I don't know if the sim tray was
crooked or what, but it wasn't seating  flushed with the bezil of the
phone. So, I slid the tray out all the way into my hand, and really
examined the tray closely with no sim lying in it. What I noticed was,
on the end opisit from what goes first slidden into the phone, there was
this really el cheapo dinky dank little thing that felt like the
protective plastic thin film that would go over the screen of a phone
during packaging to protect it. The best way I can describe it is, it
felt like really really really thin filmy wax paper, or maybe like

really thin cellophan. I was like, what on earth? um, why would

cellophane be on the tray down inside the sim slot stuck to the tray?
Don't tell me at Best buy, they didn't see this and forgot to remove
it.  Well, no worries. Well? yeah, worries! Oopsy doodles, Me bwoke it
weel good! Basically, thinking that was

cellophane, what did little Crissy dumb nut do? You guessed it!  Yank? I
tore the thing right off. I'm like it's just

cellophane, so who cares!



Well? I later found out, so guys with iPhone 7 and 7 pluses, beware of
this, that's not actually

cellophane! Don't pull it off, whatever the heck you do! That film is a
very thin rubbery bumpber/gasket which basically helps the sim card tray
to slide in totally aligned straight/flat. If you tear it off, you just
rendered that sim tray utterly useless.



So long story short, I called Apple Accessibility and told them I was
having issues.  Through describing to them what I did, and what
initially happened before doing so, and what happened now that I did! do
so, they were able to conclude what I'd done, and explained to me about
that little rubber piece. They took my feedback and sent to engineers
regarding this, as to a blind person, that's really kind a a bad way to
make that sim tray. I mean, the tray from my 6S doesn't have one of
those rubber pieces, and it fits both my phones perfectly! So, why add
that bumper? Don't fix it if it ain't a problem to start with. I liked
it better on the 6S, 6S+, 6, and 6S, how there are! no pieces like that
on the tray. It just is what it is, a tray.



They said I'm by far not the first person's who's done this to their
7/7+ tray, and were very very willing to own up to it being their falt
for confusing design, especially if you can't visually see what it is
you're pulling to know what it isn't. They were so sorry for this, that
they agreed even to send me out not 1, but two! 6S doors, and! two 7+
doors. so I'd have some spares. They're not even charging me a penny either!



To me, that really shows that they get it. They really do understand how
this potentially is a bigtime problem that needs to be dealt with in
their making assemblyline.



Go Apple!



Chris.

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Re: How does one get to know your e-mail address?

2016-11-17 Thread E.T.

Kawal,
   This is phishing. Its a common ploy to steal one's information. Its 
also how the scumbugs plant their tools in one's computer so they can 
take it hostage and demand a ransom.


   The best defense is simply to be extremely skeptical. And delete 
these emails permanently as soon as you receive it.


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On 11/17/2016 1:28 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi.

This is a bit off topic but I have to ask this question.

I received an e-mail today to my me account as I only use that account for 
personal things and you may know I use my alias for stuff like this list.

Well, today I received an e-mail today to my me account, I will put this e-mail 
below so you can see what I'm talking about.  Now I think this e-mail is junk 
as I am frightened to do what is asked on it although I'm tempted if it means 
you get ready cash but I'm scared.

But what I'd like to know, how on earth do people get your e-mail especially if 
you do not give it out?  This e-mail is below.  I'd like someone's opinion for 
some one to tell me is this junk as It is difficult to tell.

I hope everyone understands that I only do this kind of thing to get advice 
from anyone who is happy to give it to me and as Mark says that this is a list 
to share things because we are all in the same boat, Visually impaired which is 
not my favourite word as I'm totally blind so my vision can't be impaired.  So 
please forgive me for this.

Time sensitive...
By using this free method just once, you will need a
checking account capable of receiving huge daily deposits.

I already made sure yours is ready here:
==>> Check it out here!

Click inside to activate this so your checking account
can receive deposits









If you wish to unsubscribed and stop receiving
updates, you can unsubscribe here

All Rights Reserved.

I actually saved it to text edit to see if my name was spelt wrong and it was 
not so you see my anxiety about this thing.

Kawal.



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Re: The control-G vm fusion question again

2016-11-17 Thread E.T.

Scott,
   I do not remember what version of Fusion I started with. I do not 
think the force grab function was brought over to version 8. It used to 
be on the Virtual Machine menu. I looked at version 8 release notes and 
found nothing.


   If we can find out what replaces the force grab, we might have 
solved it.


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On 11/17/2016 1:06 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

It does and I’ll do some googling on the command g feature, maybe I can shed 
some light on this by playing with it more myself.

Thanks as always ET.

And good comments from Janina this might be worth some communication with 
VMWare once I’m more confident it’s not the user behind my keyboard that’s the 
problem.:)


On Nov 17, 2016, at 4:03 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

Scott,
  Ok here is what I think would be worth studying. I was just in my VM and my 
frustration level is still a bit high so will not run it again for now.

  Seems Command-G was on the menu when I first started using VMware. Its no 
longer there yet it seems to still work. I want to play with this a lot more 
though and confirm some suspicions. Its supposed to grab the heyboard away from 
the Mac.

  This may not work any more as lately I have found just pressing a wrong key 
or too long throws things around and I have trouble getting focused on the VM 
again.

  So perhaps Command-G really is not used any more. When I run the VM in full 
screen I am not interested in switching between Mac and Windows. Yet I want 
access to the menu bar. I have disabled the VM toolbar and mini bar. I think I 
have conflicts here though by inadvertently pressing Mac keystrokes.

  Did this make sense?

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On 11/17/2016 12:42 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I misspoke I meant command G not control G.  Command G doesn’t seem to do 
anything for me, maybe I’m using it at the wrong time, not sure.


On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:01 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

Scott,
 I do not see that command in my list of shortcuts. When I load my VM and wait 
long enough to let Windows fully load. I press Cmd-G to grab the keyboard and 
then Cmd-Ctrl-F to enter full screen.

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On 11/17/2016 10:45 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi, I wanted to confirm this.

When I run fusion and boot a VM, is it control-G that is supposed to allow me 
to gain access to the vm interface?  I just get a bonk sound when I press this 
combo and nothing happens.  In most cases, in full screen mode I can’t enter 
the VM and in zoom reduced mode I can but by tabbing past the snapshots button 
I will drop in to the vm.  Is there a more simple mechanism, do I have the 
keystroke wrong?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.

Thank you



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Re: The control-G vm fusion question again

2016-11-17 Thread E.T.

Scott,
   Ok here is what I think would be worth studying. I was just in my VM 
and my frustration level is still a bit high so will not run it again 
for now.


   Seems Command-G was on the menu when I first started using VMware. 
Its no longer there yet it seems to still work. I want to play with this 
a lot more though and confirm some suspicions. Its supposed to grab the 
heyboard away from the Mac.


   This may not work any more as lately I have found just pressing a 
wrong key or too long throws things around and I have trouble getting 
focused on the VM again.


   So perhaps Command-G really is not used any more. When I run the VM 
in full screen I am not interested in switching between Mac and Windows. 
Yet I want access to the menu bar. I have disabled the VM toolbar and 
mini bar. I think I have conflicts here though by inadvertently pressing 
Mac keystrokes.


   Did this make sense?

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On 11/17/2016 12:42 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I misspoke I meant command G not control G.  Command G doesn’t seem to do 
anything for me, maybe I’m using it at the wrong time, not sure.


On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:01 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

Scott,
  I do not see that command in my list of shortcuts. When I load my VM and wait 
long enough to let Windows fully load. I press Cmd-G to grab the keyboard and 
then Cmd-Ctrl-F to enter full screen.

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On 11/17/2016 10:45 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi, I wanted to confirm this.

When I run fusion and boot a VM, is it control-G that is supposed to allow me 
to gain access to the vm interface?  I just get a bonk sound when I press this 
combo and nothing happens.  In most cases, in full screen mode I can’t enter 
the VM and in zoom reduced mode I can but by tabbing past the snapshots button 
I will drop in to the vm.  Is there a more simple mechanism, do I have the 
keystroke wrong?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.

Thank you



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Re: Another phenominal story to tell you all about Apple Accessibility!

2016-11-17 Thread E.T.

   That was somewhat a tongue in cheek comment. Think Don Rickles.

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On 11/17/2016 7:55 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I’m not sure why there wouldn’t be hope for Apple, this is pretty common 
behavior although you’d have to be pretty odd to be ripping off parts of the 
tray that’s already installed.  I can sort of understand how this might happen 
though as sometimes the components feel different than you might imagine but in 
general, if I don’t know what it is I don’t rip it off.;)


On Nov 17, 2016, at 10:45 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  There is hope for Apple yet. (shakes head in wonderment)

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On 11/17/2016 12:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys, once again, Apple has done it! They have exceeded my expectations
by far! I'm very very impressed!

So, here's the medium length version of the Sauga.

I have two iPhones, a 7+, and a 6S.

What I wanted to do was, I wanted to take the sim cards, and reverse
them. So the 6S goes in the 7+, the 7+ goes in the 6S. Basically a phone
number swap.

What happened was, for some reason, I don't know if the sim tray was
crooked or what, but it wasn't seating  flushed with the bezil of the
phone. So, I slid the tray out all the way into my hand, and really
examined the tray closely with no sim lying in it. What I noticed was,
on the end opisit from what goes first slidden into the phone, there was
this really el cheapo dinky dank little thing that felt like the
protective plastic thin film that would go over the screen of a phone
during packaging to protect it. The best way I can describe it is, it
felt like really really really thin filmy wax paper, or maybe like

really thin cellophan. I was like, what on earth? um, why would

cellophane be on the tray down inside the sim slot stuck to the tray?
Don't tell me at Best buy, they didn't see this and forgot to remove
it.  Well, no worries. Well? yeah, worries! Oopsy doodles, Me bwoke it
weel good! Basically, thinking that was

cellophane, what did little Crissy dumb nut do? You guessed it!  Yank? I
tore the thing right off. I'm like it's just

cellophane, so who cares!



Well? I later found out, so guys with iPhone 7 and 7 pluses, beware of
this, that's not actually

cellophane! Don't pull it off, whatever the heck you do! That film is a
very thin rubbery bumpber/gasket which basically helps the sim card tray
to slide in totally aligned straight/flat. If you tear it off, you just
rendered that sim tray utterly useless.



So long story short, I called Apple Accessibility and told them I was
having issues.  Through describing to them what I did, and what
initially happened before doing so, and what happened now that I did! do
so, they were able to conclude what I'd done, and explained to me about
that little rubber piece. They took my feedback and sent to engineers
regarding this, as to a blind person, that's really kind a a bad way to
make that sim tray. I mean, the tray from my 6S doesn't have one of
those rubber pieces, and it fits both my phones perfectly! So, why add
that bumper? Don't fix it if it ain't a problem to start with. I liked
it better on the 6S, 6S+, 6, and 6S, how there are! no pieces like that
on the tray. It just is what it is, a tray.



They said I'm by far not the first person's who's done this to their
7/7+ tray, and were very very willing to own up to it being their falt
for confusing design, especially if you can't visually see what it is
you're pulling to know what it isn't. They were so sorry for this, that
they agreed even to send me out not 1, but two! 6S doors, and! two 7+
doors. so I'd have some spares. They're not even charging me a penny either!



To me, that really shows that they get it. They really do understand how
this potentially is a bigtime problem that needs to be dealt with in
their making assemblyline.



Go Apple!



Chris.

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Re: The control-G vm fusion question again

2016-11-17 Thread E.T.

Scott,
   I do not see that command in my list of shortcuts. When I load my VM 
and wait long enough to let Windows fully load. I press Cmd-G to grab 
the keyboard and then Cmd-Ctrl-F to enter full screen.


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On 11/17/2016 10:45 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi, I wanted to confirm this.

When I run fusion and boot a VM, is it control-G that is supposed to allow me 
to gain access to the vm interface?  I just get a bonk sound when I press this 
combo and nothing happens.  In most cases, in full screen mode I can’t enter 
the VM and in zoom reduced mode I can but by tabbing past the snapshots button 
I will drop in to the vm.  Is there a more simple mechanism, do I have the 
keystroke wrong?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.

Thank you



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Re: Another phenominal story to tell you all about Apple Accessibility!

2016-11-17 Thread E.T.

   There is hope for Apple yet. (shakes head in wonderment)

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On 11/17/2016 12:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys, once again, Apple has done it! They have exceeded my expectations
by far! I'm very very impressed!

So, here's the medium length version of the Sauga.

I have two iPhones, a 7+, and a 6S.

What I wanted to do was, I wanted to take the sim cards, and reverse
them. So the 6S goes in the 7+, the 7+ goes in the 6S. Basically a phone
number swap.

What happened was, for some reason, I don't know if the sim tray was
crooked or what, but it wasn't seating  flushed with the bezil of the
phone. So, I slid the tray out all the way into my hand, and really
examined the tray closely with no sim lying in it. What I noticed was,
on the end opisit from what goes first slidden into the phone, there was
this really el cheapo dinky dank little thing that felt like the
protective plastic thin film that would go over the screen of a phone
during packaging to protect it. The best way I can describe it is, it
felt like really really really thin filmy wax paper, or maybe like

really thin cellophan. I was like, what on earth? um, why would

cellophane be on the tray down inside the sim slot stuck to the tray?
Don't tell me at Best buy, they didn't see this and forgot to remove
it.  Well, no worries. Well? yeah, worries! Oopsy doodles, Me bwoke it
weel good! Basically, thinking that was

cellophane, what did little Crissy dumb nut do? You guessed it!  Yank? I
tore the thing right off. I'm like it's just

cellophane, so who cares!



Well? I later found out, so guys with iPhone 7 and 7 pluses, beware of
this, that's not actually

cellophane! Don't pull it off, whatever the heck you do! That film is a
very thin rubbery bumpber/gasket which basically helps the sim card tray
to slide in totally aligned straight/flat. If you tear it off, you just
rendered that sim tray utterly useless.



So long story short, I called Apple Accessibility and told them I was
having issues.  Through describing to them what I did, and what
initially happened before doing so, and what happened now that I did! do
so, they were able to conclude what I'd done, and explained to me about
that little rubber piece. They took my feedback and sent to engineers
regarding this, as to a blind person, that's really kind a a bad way to
make that sim tray. I mean, the tray from my 6S doesn't have one of
those rubber pieces, and it fits both my phones perfectly! So, why add
that bumper? Don't fix it if it ain't a problem to start with. I liked
it better on the 6S, 6S+, 6, and 6S, how there are! no pieces like that
on the tray. It just is what it is, a tray.



They said I'm by far not the first person's who's done this to their
7/7+ tray, and were very very willing to own up to it being their falt
for confusing design, especially if you can't visually see what it is
you're pulling to know what it isn't. They were so sorry for this, that
they agreed even to send me out not 1, but two! 6S doors, and! two 7+
doors. so I'd have some spares. They're not even charging me a penny either!



To me, that really shows that they get it. They really do understand how
this potentially is a bigtime problem that needs to be dealt with in
their making assemblyline.



Go Apple!



Chris.

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Login Issue

2016-11-17 Thread E.T.
   A friend is unable to login to his Mac after his local Apple store 
reset it. He thinks they left the user account set up which he cannot 
log into.


   While googling, I find articles about Single User Mode. Is this 
accessible? Or is there anther way he can change that account or create 
his own? He is new to the Mac so may be willing to sacrifice what he had 
already done and begin fresh.


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Re: The control-G vm fusion question again

2016-11-17 Thread E.T.
   I ran VM a bit ago and this time I did not execute command-g. I did 
not do a lot but found things worked just fine. Will need to do more 
experimenting.


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On 11/17/2016 4:07 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Very good.  For a goof I just tried parallels with their trial option.  Talk 
about less than useless.  Completely and utterly inaccessible.  I was hopeful 
that over all this time things had improved but no such luck.



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Scott,
  I do not remember what version of Fusion I started with. I do not think the 
force grab function was brought over to version 8. It used to be on the Virtual 
Machine menu. I looked at version 8 release notes and found nothing.

  If we can find out what replaces the force grab, we might have solved it.

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On 11/17/2016 1:06 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

It does and I’ll do some googling on the command g feature, maybe I can shed 
some light on this by playing with it more myself.

Thanks as always ET.

And good comments from Janina this might be worth some communication with 
VMWare once I’m more confident it’s not the user behind my keyboard that’s the 
problem.:)


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Scott,
 Ok here is what I think would be worth studying. I was just in my VM and my 
frustration level is still a bit high so will not run it again for now.

 Seems Command-G was on the menu when I first started using VMware. Its no 
longer there yet it seems to still work. I want to play with this a lot more 
though and confirm some suspicions. Its supposed to grab the heyboard away from 
the Mac.

 This may not work any more as lately I have found just pressing a wrong key or 
too long throws things around and I have trouble getting focused on the VM 
again.

 So perhaps Command-G really is not used any more. When I run the VM in full 
screen I am not interested in switching between Mac and Windows. Yet I want 
access to the menu bar. I have disabled the VM toolbar and mini bar. I think I 
have conflicts here though by inadvertently pressing Mac keystrokes.

 Did this make sense?

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On 11/17/2016 12:42 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I misspoke I meant command G not control G.  Command G doesn’t seem to do 
anything for me, maybe I’m using it at the wrong time, not sure.


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Scott,
I do not see that command in my list of shortcuts. When I load my VM and wait 
long enough to let Windows fully load. I press Cmd-G to grab the keyboard and 
then Cmd-Ctrl-F to enter full screen.

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On 11/17/2016 10:45 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi, I wanted to confirm this.

When I run fusion and boot a VM, is it control-G that is supposed to allow me 
to gain access to the vm interface?  I just get a bonk sound when I press this 
combo and nothing happens.  In most cases, in full screen mode I can’t enter 
the VM and in zoom reduced mode I can but by tabbing past the snapshots button 
I will drop in to the vm.  Is there a more simple mechanism, do I have the 
keystroke wrong?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.

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Re: How does one get to know your e-mail address?

2016-11-17 Thread E.T.
   Oh I do too but I hear more and more creative scams on the news. 
Latest one is virtual kidnapping. The woman this happened to said the 
caller warned her not to hang up but follow directions and her daughter 
would be safe. She was to drive to Western Union and send 10 grand in 
some form of currency that cannot be traced. He tracked her all the way, 
knew exactly where she was at any given moment. Of course her daughter 
had not been kidnapped and that 10 grand was gone forever.


   Another way that many people leave their doors wide open is to 
publish all their social media contacts in their sigs which reads like a 
big city phone directory.


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On 11/17/2016 2:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Oh thanks ET.  Will delete it now.  I wish people didn't do this kind of thing.

On 17 Nov 2016, at 21:37, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

Kawal,
  This is phishing. Its a common ploy to steal one's information. Its also how 
the scumbugs plant their tools in one's computer so they can take it hostage 
and demand a ransom.

  The best defense is simply to be extremely skeptical. And delete these emails 
permanently as soon as you receive it.

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On 11/17/2016 1:28 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi.

This is a bit off topic but I have to ask this question.

I received an e-mail today to my me account as I only use that account for 
personal things and you may know I use my alias for stuff like this list.

Well, today I received an e-mail today to my me account, I will put this e-mail 
below so you can see what I'm talking about.  Now I think this e-mail is junk 
as I am frightened to do what is asked on it although I'm tempted if it means 
you get ready cash but I'm scared.

But what I'd like to know, how on earth do people get your e-mail especially if 
you do not give it out?  This e-mail is below.  I'd like someone's opinion for 
some one to tell me is this junk as It is difficult to tell.

I hope everyone understands that I only do this kind of thing to get advice 
from anyone who is happy to give it to me and as Mark says that this is a list 
to share things because we are all in the same boat, Visually impaired which is 
not my favourite word as I'm totally blind so my vision can't be impaired.  So 
please forgive me for this.

Time sensitive...
By using this free method just once, you will need a
checking account capable of receiving huge daily deposits.

I already made sure yours is ready here:
==>> Check it out here!

Click inside to activate this so your checking account
can receive deposits









If you wish to unsubscribed and stop receiving
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Re: How does one get to know your e-mail address?

2016-11-17 Thread E.T.
   I am not surprised one bit. Why? Because there is no real threat 
against these scammers.


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On 11/17/2016 4:05 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

You’d be surprised how successful these are.

Scamming like this is one of the largest industries in Nigeria for example.


On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:39 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  Oh I do too but I hear more and more creative scams on the news. Latest one 
is virtual kidnapping. The woman this happened to said the caller warned her 
not to hang up but follow directions and her daughter would be safe. She was to 
drive to Western Union and send 10 grand in some form of currency that cannot 
be traced. He tracked her all the way, knew exactly where she was at any given 
moment. Of course her daughter had not been kidnapped and that 10 grand was 
gone forever.

  Another way that many people leave their doors wide open is to publish all 
their social media contacts in their sigs which reads like a big city phone 
directory.

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On 11/17/2016 2:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Oh thanks ET.  Will delete it now.  I wish people didn't do this kind of thing.

On 17 Nov 2016, at 21:37, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

Kawal,
 This is phishing. Its a common ploy to steal one's information. Its also how 
the scumbugs plant their tools in one's computer so they can take it hostage 
and demand a ransom.

 The best defense is simply to be extremely skeptical. And delete these emails 
permanently as soon as you receive it.

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On 11/17/2016 1:28 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi.

This is a bit off topic but I have to ask this question.

I received an e-mail today to my me account as I only use that account for 
personal things and you may know I use my alias for stuff like this list.

Well, today I received an e-mail today to my me account, I will put this e-mail 
below so you can see what I'm talking about.  Now I think this e-mail is junk 
as I am frightened to do what is asked on it although I'm tempted if it means 
you get ready cash but I'm scared.

But what I'd like to know, how on earth do people get your e-mail especially if 
you do not give it out?  This e-mail is below.  I'd like someone's opinion for 
some one to tell me is this junk as It is difficult to tell.

I hope everyone understands that I only do this kind of thing to get advice 
from anyone who is happy to give it to me and as Mark says that this is a list 
to share things because we are all in the same boat, Visually impaired which is 
not my favourite word as I'm totally blind so my vision can't be impaired.  So 
please forgive me for this.

Time sensitive...
By using this free method just once, you will need a
checking account capable of receiving huge daily deposits.

I already made sure yours is ready here:
==>> Check it out here!

Click inside to activate this so your checking account
can receive deposits









If you wish to unsubscribed and stop receiving
updates, you can unsubscribe here

All Rights Reserved.

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Re: Installing SSD

2016-11-11 Thread E.T.
   Next step is to restore from Time Machine once the SSD is installed. 
What do I want to boot into, Recovery Mode? So I can format the drive 
from DU,


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Re: Installing SSD

2016-11-11 Thread E.T.
   Ok sounds about the same as doing a clean install except using 
Recovery Mode. Thanks.


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On 11/11/2016 9:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

You recover from recovery mode you can format the drive there and
restore from your time machine backup in the same place.


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  Next step is to restore from Time Machine once the SSD is installed.
What do I want to boot into, Recovery Mode? So I can format the drive
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Finder Sort order

2016-11-13 Thread E.T.
   Somehow I got names sorted in reverse order by name. Z to A. How do 
I change this to A to Z? Sierra changed this from the way it worked in 
El Capitan and I have not pinned it down yet. Thanks.


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Emergency Text Messaging

2016-11-13 Thread E.T.
   In light of the 7.8 quake in New Zealand, I am again revisiting my 
desire to develop some methods to touch bases with friends and family 
should a disaster strike my area.


   One idea would be a way of sending a text message already composed 
to a specific list of contacts. Is this feasible in iOS 10?


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Re: Finder Sort order

2016-11-13 Thread E.T.
   Thanks. Found my notes and was wrong, Sierra did not change this. 
Interact twice with table in list view then VO shift \ to interact with 
headers and VO space to change sort order then VO shift \ again to get 
out of headers.


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On 11/13/2016 3:31 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Try using vo-shift-left to get to the very first item in the view. This
should be "File". You might want to try stop interacting then going vo
left to get to the header in list view and then you might need to
interact again.

Or perhaps just typing command-control-1 will work, that is in Menu
View->Arrange->Name


Best wishes,

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  Somehow I got names sorted in reverse order by name. Z to A. How do
I change this to A to Z? Sierra changed this from the way it worked in
El Capitan and I have not pinned it down yet. Thanks.

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Re: Removing Characters from file names

2016-11-19 Thread E.T.
   10,000? One by one? I get my music from Amazon and have not this 
issue. But, as Tim suggests, iTunes might clear the underscores.


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On 11/19/2016 2:02 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:

Hi Tim,
Any other option other than iTunes? I want t avoid iTunes as much as
possible, as these are just going on to an external drive.

God bless.
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Hi,

Before you go through the effort of removing the characters, import
one of them into iTunes.  Sometimes, the underscores are placed there
when illegal characters are in the title.  So, the underscore will be
replaced with its proper character upon import.  Not always the case,
but sometimes.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 19, 2016, at 14:29, Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierck...@me.com
<mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi guys,
I have an album of music that has a file name like this:
17_city_harbor_come_however_you_are.mp3
I want to get rid of the underlines.
I also have a folder with over 1 artist drops that I purchased
from a website and they have dashes in the filename and I want to get
rid of them. What is the best way to do this without doing it manually?
Thanks.

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Re: Emergency Text Messaging

2016-11-14 Thread E.T.
   Verizon is my carrier. I think as the emergency responders do. Plan 
plan plan and expect the unexpected.


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On 11/14/2016 10:21 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi ET, good question about the towers, depends on the network.

Verizon has both battery backups and generators at their cell sites.  Verizon was one 
of the only networks available during Katrina for example.  AT uses battery 
backups good for 8 hours but does not have generators.  T-Mobile I believe uses both 
battery backups and generators at their main sites, Sprint is very hit or miss with no 
backup or batteries only.  AT has a big investment in a thing called cows or 
cells on wheels.  They can roll a cow to a site that’s diminished or needs more 
capacity.  You’ll see these a lot of the time during natural disasters or say in the 
parking lot of the stadium hosting the world series or some major event.  They were for 
ever rolling them around San Francisco for a lot of the rock festivals.  Verizon has 
some of these but fewer as they tend to over engineer the permanent cell site.  
Remember in earthquakes other things can break for example fiber trunks or the towers 
can fall over.  Another thing, all the carriers have generators and battery backups on 
their central offices.  Cable providers usually have batteries on the cable head ends 
and terminals.

Hope that helps.



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Scott,
  Yes SOS will be very wonderful but what I am wanting is ability to send only 
texts to a specified group of contacts to say I am alright. Create the text 
ahead of time then pretty much a one button process, something like that.

  The Red Cross Earthquake app does this but this function is buried in the app 
and in a crisis, it will not be the easiest.

  Related to this, how do carriers manage the cell towers when they go on 
emergency power? Can it be assumed that texting traffic will move?

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On 11/14/2016 3:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Yes you can, in the Beta 10.2 the SOS feature is enabled now just like the 
watch.  Instead of pressing the button on the watch you press the screen lock 
button 5 times now and it sends a message with your location to your contacts 
defined under the SOS feature as well as alerts the authorities.  So the button 
no longer re springs the phone I don’t believe now it’s dedicated to SOS 
functions.  Download and install the beta 2 of 10.2 to enable this feature.  
You define the settings under settings, general, SOS.

Hope that helps.


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 In light of the 7.8 quake in New Zealand, I am again revisiting my desire to 
develop some methods to touch bases with friends and family should a disaster 
strike my area.

 One idea would be a way of sending a text message already composed to a 
specific list of contacts. Is this feasible in iOS 10?

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Installing SSD

2016-11-20 Thread E.T.
   When I try to restore from Time Machine to the new SSD, an error 
occurs, something about adding recovery system to the destination drive. 
What is the fix? Thanks.


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Re: Installing SSD

2016-11-20 Thread E.T.
   Guess I did not research this enough. Its going now though and will 
finish well into the night.


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On 11/20/2016 3:34 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

The fix is to either create a recovery partition or install a clean copy of the 
OS first which includes installing the recovery partition and then restoring.  
THat’s my guess anyway I haven’t seen this one myself.


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  When I try to restore from Time Machine to the new SSD, an error occurs, 
something about adding recovery system to the destination drive. What is the 
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Re: The control-G vm fusion question again

2016-11-20 Thread E.T.

   I cannot look now but command-g is under one of those tabs.

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On 11/20/2016 3:51 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

So command G is not mentioned anywhere in the preferences list either under the 
application shortcuts or fusion shortcuts, I looked through all 4 sections.  
There is the command control to release but no command G in my fusion 8.5.


On Nov 19, 2016, at 2:55 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Yes it is on the other vm work station products,

I think from memory it is for fustion also, but something makes me think 
command g.

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Hi, I wanted to confirm this.

When I run fusion and boot a VM, is it control-G that is supposed to allow me 
to gain access to the vm interface?  I just get a bonk sound when I press this 
combo and nothing happens.  In most cases, in full screen mode I can’t enter 
the VM and in zoom reduced mode I can but by tabbing past the snapshots button 
I will drop in to the vm.  Is there a more simple mechanism, do I have the 
keystroke wrong?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.

Thank you

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Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

2016-10-30 Thread E.T.

   Is this research unbiased? Might be worth a read.

   I watch documentaries on my Apple TV which is so much more peaceful. 
That ATV was the best bit of hardware I bought.


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On 10/30/2016 4:55 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Well I know but if you watch the media you’d think so.  I will admit, I thought 
that the world was coming undone until I read research and it and it totally 
changed my outlook.  Gives one hope for the future to realize we’re making 
progress instead of the images we’re fed.

Hope is good.


On Oct 30, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

Oh Scott, you always take me too seriously.  Syria is at war with the IS by the 
way.

I know the world is not at war that was my choice of words.

On 30 Oct 2016, at 20:18, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Kawal, the world has never been so much at piece, you really need to 
get away from that government sponsored media you British live under, even if 
your television shows are a lot better than ours.  As a percentage of the 
population, at no point in our history have fewer people been in a state of 
war.  THere’s a very good book called the end of Violence which demonstrates on 
a historical basis that actual remarkable decrease in violence that’s taken 
place over the last several thousand years.  At this point, less than 1% of the 
population lives in a conflict zone which is vastly reduced from even the 
beginning of the 20th century let alone farther back.
Next, Apple working on cars had absolutely 0 to do with their bottom 
line.  Apple has 233 billion in cash in the bank which is more than the 
economic output of Ireland to put it somewhere near your UK for reference.  
Apple is worth more than most countries on the planet so whether they spend a 
billion or 2 on cars makes 0 difference to the bottom line.  Apple brings in 
over a billion per day in revenue on a gross basis and operates somewhere 
around a 38% margin so that’s 380 million in the bank every day.  If anything, 
Apple needs to go on a spending spree and start bringing some new talent in 
house.  Apple for example could buy Tesla, Twitter, and still barely have to 
dip in to the bank account.  And just like it was offensive for my president to 
involve himself in your politics and try to bully his way in to your brexit 
decision, we’d kindly ask that you British stay out of ours, remember what 
happened the last time you tried to force your will on the colonies? :)  (I’m 
kidding of course, your opinions are always welcome)

I would however seriously recommend that book for your consideration.  Our 
media and by our I mean the world or at least the western world media creates 
so many artificial stories that aren’t based on reality at all that if you 
watched anything whether it’s the beeb or CBS or the Clinton News Network or 
what ever you’d think the world is burning in a fireball of war, it’s not, not 
even close.  Massive blocks of people trade with each other who never did 
before, your continent of Europe has reduced it’s wars and aside from a few 
hotspots which are definitely disturbing the vast vast majority of us live in a 
peaceful world.  If you watch TV it may seem like it but I assure you, we’re 
getting along at record rates and I only hope that trend continues to grow so 
we can all be friends on our little blue ball.




On Oct 30, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

I'm very sad that Mac Safe is going.  What attracked me to Apple products was 
that the adaptors were unique and that it was exciting to get different 
adaptors.  Sabahattin and I are very unhappy with what Apple are doing.  Apple 
would have kept everything if they had not wasted their money on trying to make 
cars.  They should stick to what they know rathr than trying to have war games 
with Google.  We've got enough wars with Siria and people like Trump and 
Clinton fighting it out.  How sad is the world today.

On 30 Oct 2016, at 19:43, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree, I like mag safe.  Maybe they will make a small magsafe to USBC adapter 
so you can still have the best of both worlds and use your old adapters and 
power chargers of which I have many.:)

Amazon had a deal on the 85 watt model and I bought a bunch of them to leave 
around, at work, at home, mother’s house, extra one in the bag, and so forth 
instead of always forgetting one.:)


On Oct 30, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Devices I've connected via USB-C fly across the room or to the ground when I 
pull them or kick the cable...Too bad MagSafe2 is gone

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:58 PM Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
Yeah the USB C power connection isn’t going to work for me well.



I at least know if I connect my foot to the mag safe adaptor it’ just pops of

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread E.T.
   Unreal! Really? The CEO of a major company fields personal emails? 
Well I will have to contact Tim and meet with him for coffee! Nothing 
like a face to face over coffee and resolving some troubling issues, eh?


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On 10/31/2016 8:16 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote:

True.  But, he does in fact see many e-mail messages sent to him via
that box.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 31, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com
<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

No, Simon is correct, his admin manages that box.


On Oct 31, 2016, at 5:08 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net
<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

No, the information I have seems to suggest he actually does see
e-mails sent to that address and acts on or responds fairly promptly.
 For my part, however, I urge care when making use of this address.


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<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Surely he uses the products that he's pushing on the world, mind you
I'm guessing there is a P A to catch the crazies like us trying to
get in touch with him.

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Oh wow, so it actually really is? out there?

Hmm, let's see if we can find his personal iPhone number.

Hey, we have his e-mail, we could at least take that and try to
iMessage/text or Facetime 'em.

You smirk at what I say here, and say don't be a smarty butt, but
really, no! I'm dead serious! It probably won't work, granted, but
it's worth a shot.
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- Original Message -
From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" <kgli...@icloud.com <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>>
To: "Macvisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible


I wrote to Tim Cook once and got a reply from Accessibility as he
didn't
answer!  I found his e-mail using Google.

Kawal.

On 30 Oct 2016, at 17:59, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net
<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Hi time we wrote Tim cook himself and let him know.
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com
<mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>>
wrote:

Yes it is awful. How can a company that talks such a big game about
accessibility have such a poorly designed main site. There is now
no way
whats so ever to use universal mail rules. Or edit any of your
existing
mail rules. Just awful.

On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've never been impressed with iCloud.com <http://icloud.com/>

Alas, I can reproduce everything you're saying.
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<brianfisch...@me.com <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:50 AM
Subject: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible


Hey all,

Ok the old iCloud website was bad enough but this is ridiculous what
they have done with it. Would love to hear if anyone can access
mail on
the iCloud site so they can create a mail rule. I used to be able
to do
this and the steps were a little weird but now there is no way to
get to
mail. I go to iCloud get signed in, go to settings then VO space on
settings to switch app. I can get to mail and I VO space on it
and it
takes me back to the main screen of Find 

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

2016-10-28 Thread E.T.

   (smiles) Now if he would only add himself to the blocked list...

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On 10/28/2016 9:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

No worries Ray. I didn't even see it, as he's also on my block list.
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- Original Message -
*From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:45 AM
*Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd:
Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

Now now now.  I ask you, ET.  Was that really necessary.  Yes, maybe
Chris should have known from descriptions of the new Mac book pro
about the touch ID area:  but, for you to stoop to such a low level
like that is, quite frankly, beneeth the standards of proper
behavior and mtual respect we all have for each other here.

We’re all here to help each other;  not to reduce ourselves to
low-life scum bags by behaving toward each other in the way your
message does.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  Read the quoted text. Its all there. (shakes head)

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On 10/28/2016 9:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages
blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so
forgive me.
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   - Original Message -
   *From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
   *Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers,
Fwd:
   Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

   I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.
 From
   the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they
actually
   went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of
   touch ID.  IN other words, you press and hold down the command key
   and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID.
   Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility
for the
   blind built-in

   Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

   Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
   Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


   On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados
   <scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

   And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.
 See the
   comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

   This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in
   such a quick turn around on this question.



   Begin forwarded message:

   *From: *Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com
   <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
   *Subject: **Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up:
   651323126*
   *Date: *October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
   *To: *scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

   Hello,

   Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom
   and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses
VoiceOver
   gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and
   control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn
   VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the
   Touch ID button.

   Apple Accessibility

   For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
   http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
   https://support.apple.com/accessibility

   On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com
   wrote:


   Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind
user activate voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is
there a replacement for command F5?

   Thanks
   Scott


   P.S.  Thank you all for your

Re: The escape key now at present.

2016-10-30 Thread E.T.

   OMG That is really sad. (smiles)

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On 10/30/2016 2:10 AM, Kliphton Miller wrote:

I made this statement when the touch bar was first mentioned and it was
stated the escape key was going away, and I was accused of saying thing
s just because.  Now you want to make my point but take credit for it.
 Funny, real funny.  Everything being said in this thread is what I said
from jump street.  Lol

Kliph
Sent from my mobile office

On Oct 29, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Good point. I'd forgotten that works in menus. To be completely honest
with ya, I don't use Command+Period very much, so it feels a bit
awquard. I'd be willing to try getting used to it though, if it meant
doing so; I have an open mind.
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*From:* Brandt Steenkamp <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups. com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.%20com>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:31 PM
*Subject:* Re: The escape key now at present.

No, but command period willful sure.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

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On 29 Oct 2016, at 11:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I dont' think command+W will close out of a menu bar though, will it?
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- Original Message -
*From:* Brandt Steenkamp <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups. com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.%20com>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:17 PM
*Subject:* Re: The escape key now at present.

Command W will do the same thing on the Mac.  I almost never use
the escape key. The closest I  get to it, is command period.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

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On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com
<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Hello Chris.

I wrote that in the early hours of the morning at the time.

What I was trying to say was if you are in a message or an open
document, if there is something that you don't like, pressing
the escape key does nothing.  Let's say if you use windows, and
you wanted to get out an e-mail message that you were composing
and you changed your mind, you could press escape and the
message would either close if you had not written anything or
you would get an alert with a dialogue box in it wishing for you
to say yes or no.

Kawal.

On 29 Oct 2016, at 20:48, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Can you elaborate on that a bit?
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- Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu"
<kgli...@icloud.com <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>>
To: "Macvisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 3:06 AM
Subject: The escape key now at present.



I have noticed that the escape key doesn't do very much on the
Mac anyway. Just thought about it in the light of our recent
discussions.

Kawal.

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Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

2016-11-03 Thread E.T.
   Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy 
insane political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)


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On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Mark,

 Could you clarify for me please?

 What holiday season is it you are referring to?

 Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?

 Cheers,

Simon F

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Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
Importance: High

Hello All,

It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will conduct 
themselves in a gracious and kind manner.

Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say the 
following:

Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.

In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a different 
world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of behavior, they 
will be banned from the list.

I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone will 
see it.

To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.

Sincerely,

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to everybody 
I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.

Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
list.  Aside from Chris of course.


On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular 
off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able to 
make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t see 
what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Guys,

I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.

I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.

Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new to 
the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in general.

When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.

I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that mind, 
do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, that's not a 
very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when cellular is off, 
then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. The 
only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a 
wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one of the 
two.

I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're doing 
by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're not 
disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is disabling 
the apps so they never! will use cellular.

The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time they 
move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.

I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, as 
they do have wifi calling enabled.

Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work regardless, 
but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet would go 
kaput 

Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

2016-11-03 Thread E.T.

   Good to know, now I will be sure to get different colors. (smiles)

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On 11/3/2016 2:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Happy BD to me, happy BD to me, well, not quite yet. Not till the 24th,
LOL! Smile.

Anyway, as an early BD to myself, I diddit! I traded in my iPhone 6+
128GB and got me the iPhone 7+ 128GB Black. Not the jetblack, but just
the regular black.

I also did the dark blue colored Otterbox Defender.

So, is there anything I should try on this baby that I may find either
different, or a huge improvement to?

I know about it now having the two rear cameras. Does it also have two
front facing cameras?

Also, with this thing now in the case, I can't quite tell, but where're
the two stereo speakers? It looks like they're both on the bottom of the
phone with the lightning in between? Is that accurate, or not quite. I
thought they were frontfacing not bottom facing, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, that headphone jack's definitely gone all right. God that feels
trippy! BTW, I really really like the new home button, how they put 3D
force touch into it instead of it being a physical button that literally
moves when pressed.  I have my click set on 2, and for me, that's
perfect! I'm still frustrated that I don't get both the Siri enhanced
voices, but oh well, that's ok. And you know, guys? With these speakers
being so much better? I might not wind up needing it. I might actually
be able very well to get away with Alex. I'm gonna try.

Also, is it just me, or am I correct that the thing is more responsive
and faster than the 6+?

Good! God that sounds good! Right as I was typing, Alex finnished
downloading, and started barreling through. Wow! I'm impressed!

Again, is there anything you'd say to try specifically that I may either
see is different/new, or that I may see a huge improvement in with
performance? I hear the battery in this thing is freaking insane!

Anyway, you guys let me know, and by the way, over the past month or so,
though very few they were, thank you all for helping me with the couple
questions along the way I did have when researching. I really feel that
with you all's help, along with Apple Accessibility, I was able to make
a very well-rounded and well researched decision on my purchase.

For those who've got the 7+, not the 7, but specifically the 7+, how're
you all liking it compared to the 6 generations?

Chris.

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Re: Question Concerning Scheduling Time Machine

2016-11-04 Thread E.T.
   Uncheck the automatic backup option. Check it when you want to run a 
backup. Not ideal. I let mine stay checked.


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On 11/4/2016 6:08 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

automatic backup


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Re: Text message forwarding on iphone SE

2016-11-02 Thread E.T.
   Signing out of iCloud is indeed the fix. I think I signed out of all 
my devices then set them up again, been a while but it did work.


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On 11/2/2016 1:34 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi,

I've had some issues with text messages forwarding between my iphone SE and my 
macbook pro.  I looked in settings / messages / text message forwarding on the 
iphone where the devices to which text messages are forwarded are enabled.  I 
can see that I have multiple exampels of the same macbook listed there.  I 
wonder whether it's because I've done a few clean installs of OS operating 
system on two macbooks and they persist there in the list although they 
actually do not exist.  Is there a way of refreshing the list?  I thought I 
could just sign out of icloud for it to happen but I received a warning message 
that if I were to sign out of icloud, all my cards will be removed from Apple 
pay, and it seemed too great a price to proceed.  So I'm asking, has anyone 
else encountered this issue and is there another way of removing the unwanted 
devices from the list altogether?  The thing is it's difficult to tell when 
flicking through the list which of the devices are real and which are not.

Many thanks

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Re: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks

2016-10-26 Thread E.T.

Scott,
   This may be exactly why I think Sierra and iOS 10 is leaps ahead.

   One comment I read today here reminds me of a tagline I read many 
years ago. Its something like "only KGB keyboards have no Escape key".


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On 10/26/2016 2:23 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

David, I remember seeing a Steve Jobs presentation that confirms exactly what 
you state.  I was still in San Francisco which makes me think it was around 
2010 or so where he mentioned that the goal was to unify the Mac, Phone and all 
other devices around the same software and style.  I think you’re dead on right 
with this one.



On Oct 26, 2016, at 1:14 PM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com> wrote:

I use the escape key frequently in the shortcut key sequences for the shut down 
options. However the removal of the escape key does not surprise me at all as 
Apple are clearly on a direction of travel. For years now Apple has followed a 
strategy of transferring technologies  and techniques from their phones to 
Macs.   This seem likely then to, as on their phones, see the

increasing removal of all mechanical parts on Macs. To my mind the 
disappearance of all the specialist keys apart from possibly  the basic Qwerty 
set is pretty inevitable given the travel of their thought.Obviously 
speculation but I think intelligent speculation given their record.  It will be 
a little in the future but I believe that they would probably want to 
eventually get rid of even the Qwerty keyboard, possibly accomodating touch 
typists by using virtual keys  in much the same way as the home button has been 
recently replaced by a virtual version on the iPhone 7.
You would have a nice pretty smooth look not spoilt by the "old fashinoned" 
look of technology with keyboards. the argument will be everybody will be dictating 
anyway. . I can hear the debate now.

"Old fashioned" touch typists  who had an issue with this would probably be 
invited to use a bluetooth keyboard in the same way as they do on their phones.

I personally will not be buying one of these in the future when they arrive, or 
if I did , I would immediately attach a proper keyboard.


David Griffith

On 26/10/2016 17:40, Kliphton Miller wrote:

Honestly, who uses an escape key anyway.  I was just sitting here thinking, and 
I couldn't think of 1 thing I actually use the escape key for.  Windows yes, 
but not on OSX.  JMO

Miller Family
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On Oct 26, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

I'm starting to lose faith in apple,

These things sound like going to far,

But then hey, I had no issues with the headphone jack going...
Guess this is a wait and see situation.

I just want a quad core processor in my mac book air and `32gig ram with 1tb ssd

I'll be happy even with a 13 inch device and those specs.

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Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2016 1:45 PM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 
mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks

I just saw an article talking about how you can re-map and existing key, such 
as control, caps lock, command or option, to take the place of the escape key 
which is going away on the new MacBooks to be revealed on Thursday. There will 
still be that functionality on the new magic track bar or whatever they're 
calling it. But if you are a person who wants to have a hardware escape key, 
you will have to remap an existing key to get it. For those of you who use caps 
lock for voiceover, good luck. I have no idea how that Mike coexist with this 
new functionality. Or you're stuck with the new magic track bar and it's soft 
functionality. Could be interesting.
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Re: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks

2016-10-26 Thread E.T.
   Exactly what I thought too. Hogwash to put it mildly. I will leave 
it at that except note my quote below. (smiles)


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On 10/26/2016 2:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

I would not believe the crap that guy has just said on the list about not 
needing an escape key.  I've noticed that he says stuff just for the hell of it.

On 26 Oct 2016, at 18:04, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:

I used escape all the time for all the same purposes on mac OS as on windows: 
closing menus and dialogs, canceling actions...

Now that I'm completely mobile and have no use for a pc style system, I think 
I'm just as glad.  I mean, if you're just going to turn powerful and bulky 
desktop hardware into a mobile software driven system, why not just leverage 
the increasing power of mobile?

Best,

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On October 26, 2016 12:41:14 PM Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:


Honestly, who uses an escape key anyway.  I was just sitting here thinking, and 
I couldn't think of 1 thing I actually use the escape key for.  Windows yes, 
but not on OSX.  JMO

Miller Family
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On Oct 26, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

I'm starting to lose faith in apple,

These things sound like going to far,

But then hey, I had no issues with the headphone jack going...
Guess this is a wait and see situation.

I just want a quad core processor in my mac book air and `32gig ram with 1tb ssd

I'll be happy even with a 13 inch device and those specs.

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mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks

I just saw an article talking about how you can re-map and existing key, such 
as control, caps lock, command or option, to take the place of the escape key 
which is going away on the new MacBooks to be revealed on Thursday. There will 
still be that functionality on the new magic track bar or whatever they're 
calling it. But if you are a person who wants to have a hardware escape key, 
you will have to remap an existing key to get it. For those of you who use caps 
lock for voiceover, good luck. I have no idea how that Mike coexist with this 
new functionality. Or you're stuck with the new magic track bar and it's soft 
functionality. Could be interesting.
Mary


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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

2016-10-28 Thread E.T.

   Read the quoted text. Its all there. (shakes head)

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On 10/28/2016 9:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages
blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so
forgive me.
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*Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
*Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd:
Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From
the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually
went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of
touch ID.  IN other words, you press and hold down the command key
and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID.
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados
<scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the
comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in
such a quick turn around on this question.



Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com
<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
*Subject: **Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up:
651323126*
*Date: *October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
*To: *scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

Hello,

Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom
and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver
gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and
control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn
VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the
Touch ID button.

Apple Accessibility

For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
https://support.apple.com/accessibility

On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com
wrote:


Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate 
voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for 
command F5?

Thanks
Scott


P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank you.





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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

2016-10-28 Thread E.T.

   Say that to Chris and you are spot on.

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On 10/28/2016 9:45 PM, Ray Foret jr wrote:

Now now now.  I ask you, ET.  Was that really necessary.  Yes, maybe
Chris should have known from descriptions of the new Mac book pro about
the touch ID area:  but, for you to stoop to such a low level like that
is, quite frankly, beneeth the standards of proper behavior and mtual
respect we all have for each other here.

We’re all here to help each other;  not to reduce ourselves to low-life
scum bags by behaving toward each other in the way your message does.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  Read the quoted text. Its all there. (shakes head)

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On 10/28/2016 9:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages
blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so
forgive me.
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   - Original Message -
   *From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
   *Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd:
   Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

   I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From
   the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually
   went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of
   touch ID.  IN other words, you press and hold down the command key
   and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID.
   Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
   blind built-in

   Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

   Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
   Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


   On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados
   <scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

   And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the
   comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

   This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in
   such a quick turn around on this question.



   Begin forwarded message:

   *From: *Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com
   <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
   *Subject: **Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up:
   651323126*
   *Date: *October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
   *To: *scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

   Hello,

   Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom
   and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver
   gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and
   control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn
   VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the
   Touch ID button.

   Apple Accessibility

   For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
   http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
   https://support.apple.com/accessibility

   On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com
   wrote:


   Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user
activate voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a
replacement for command F5?

   Thanks
   Scott


   P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day
in my professional life and your accessibility tools make that
possible.  As a network engineer you help this blind professional
every day and I do thank you.





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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

2016-10-11 Thread E.T.

Gena,
   I sent feedback and will do so each time I open the app.

   Now I am running the removal tool. What file type is the actual book 
file? There are 4 different file types for each book.


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On 10/11/2016 1:52 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Well let’s hope they are working to make it accessible then we won’t have to 
faff to gain access.

Gena


On 11 Oct 2016, at 02:32, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  I see the problem now. The version on the app store is a year old. No wonder. 
The app on the Amazon site was just updated last month.

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On 10/10/2016 2:08 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Interact with your book list and you should be able to VO through your books. 
VO + space on one. Then look at the status on the file menu. If you’ve opened 
your book VO will tell you that it is greyed. If not select it from the menu. 
If you look at the menu again you will see below the open option is close book.

Your books will be in ~/Library/Application Support/Kindle/My Kindle Content.

You did download the kindle app from Amazon as advised?

Regards,

Gena

On 10 Oct 2016, at 20:53, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:



Gena,
 I'm sorry I decided to tackle this one. (smiles) After a struggle I got the 
registration done. But I cannot be sure I actually have my book on the Mac. The 
only part of the Kindle app that speaks is the toolbar and title bar.

 I think you stated where the Kindle content is in the library folder but I am 
unable to find my books. Once I find that I will try running the other two apps.

 We need to light a bonfire under Amazon.

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On 10/8/2016 11:12 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Handling Kindle Books On The Mac

This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law. Users
must take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It is not
for the faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.

Download the following:
Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is
set to amazon.co.uk <http://amazon.co.uk>. This setting is difficult to
change so download from your country to save you the bother.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110

From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which forced the
authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I
typed in my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have
a fast Mac but this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the dialog
box. You’ll get very little speech out of it. You will know if you have
been successful because it will present the opening screen which you can
VO arrow left and right.

Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m sure
this is the right one.

http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download

This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the
Mac. It will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I
find the selection of books frustrating . You need to interact with the
toolbar and click on the open files button. Which brings up a typical
finder window and it’s difficult to know which book is which.

Now download Calibre:
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx
For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command
line tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:

/Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert

Don’t forget auto tab completion. So on the command line something like:

ebook-convert My_Recipe_Book.azw3 .rtf

Will generate My_Recipe_Book.rtf

Here’s the help file:

Usage: ebook-convert input_file output_file [options]

Convert an ebook from one format to another.

input_file is the input and output_file is the output. Both must be
specified as the first two arguments to the command.

The output ebook format is guessed from the file extension of
output_file. output_file can also be of the special format .EXT where
EXT is the output file extension. In this case, the name of the output
file is derived from the name of the input file. Note that the filenames
must not start with a hyphen. Finally, if output_file has no extension,
then it is treated as a directory and an "open ebook" (OEB) consisting
of HTML files is written to that directory. These files are the files
that would normally have been passed to the output plugin.

After specifying the input and output file you can customize the
conversion by specifying various options. The available options depend
on the input and output file types. To get help on them specify the
input and output file and then use the -h option.

For full documentation of the conversion system see
https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html

Whenever you pass argument

Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

2016-10-13 Thread E.T.
   Sad to say, no. Calibre worked fine on one title. I tried it on the 
other one and it says its a DRM protected file. Will dig into this some 
more.


   By the way the version of Calibre I ran does not need Terminal. I do 
need to go tweak the settings to format the txt file though.


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On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello E.t.

Out of interest have you tried running ebook-convert on the file? Some
may not have DRM applied.

Regards,

Gena




On 12 Oct 2016, at 23:48, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Gena,
  I may need to delete the one title that refuses to work and then try
it again.

  I installed the older version of the removal tool which matches your
steps. Same result though.

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On 10/12/2016 1:50 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

I don’t remember running into the kindle wizard myself. What are the
steps you take to run the kindle wizard? Then don’t do those steps again.

I did give an example of a kindle extension. So anything looking like
.azw is the file you need to point to. I have seen .mobi and .html files
too.

Good luck.

Gena





On 12 Oct 2016, at 17:39, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

 Another update on this process...

 The removal tool is a bit illogical and has unlabeled buttons but
once those 3 are labeled, its not too bad.

 Adding file is a typical process. Once I learned that the .azw file
is the file to work with, it was simple enough to select that and
convert it.

 What I am running into is the Kindle wizard. It should not be
popping up since I bought only 2 books so far, directly from Amazon.
The wizard deals with content that comes from other sources so should
not apply. I cannot do the 2nd book. When I retyrn to the app, the
status for the 2nd book shows "information is incoeect". Dismissing
the wizard gets me nowhere.

 I can open and close either book in the Kindle for Mac app and both
are in the library folder. Will keep working on this.

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On 10/8/2016 11:12 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Handling Kindle Books On The Mac

This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law.
Users
must take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It
is not
for the faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.

Download the following:
Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is
set to amazon.co.uk <http://amazon.co.uk/> <http://amazon.co.uk/>
<http://amazon.co.uk <http://amazon.co.uk/>
<http://amazon.co.uk/>>. This setting is difficult to
change so download from your country to save you the bother.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110

From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which
forced the
authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I
typed in my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have
a fast Mac but this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the
dialog
box. You’ll get very little speech out of it. You will know if you have
been successful because it will present the opening screen which
you can
VO arrow left and right.

Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m
sure
this is the right one.

http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download

This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the
Mac. It will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I
find the selection of books frustrating . You need to interact with the
toolbar and click on the open files button. Which brings up a typical
finder window and it’s difficult to know which book is which.

Now download Calibre:
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx
For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command
line tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:

/Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert

Don’t forget auto tab completion. So on the command line something
like:

ebook-convert My_Recipe_Book.azw3 .rtf

Will generate My_Recipe_Book.rtf

Here’s the help file:

Usage: ebook-convert input_file output_file [options]

Convert an ebook from one format to another.

input_file is the input and output_file is the output. Both must be
specified as the first two arguments to the command.

The output ebook format is guessed from the file extension of
output_file. output_file can also be of the special format .EXT where
EXT is the output file extension. In this case, the name of the output
file is derived from t

Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

2016-10-13 Thread E.T.
   I used the same process on both books, both of which came directly 
from Amazon to my Mac. So not sure why just one book worked.


   I looked at plugins but was not sure which one I needed. Will have 
to get back to this later on.


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On 10/13/2016 11:46 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello E.T.

I orientate myself to the keyboard, so could you send details of the process of 
converting books, as you suggest? There’s a DRM plugin for calibre so that 
would simplify the whole process for everyone.

Regards,

Gena


On 13 Oct 2016, at 19:15, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  Sad to say, no. Calibre worked fine on one title. I tried it on the other one 
and it says its a DRM protected file. Will dig into this some more.

  By the way the version of Calibre I ran does not need Terminal. I do need to 
go tweak the settings to format the txt file though.

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On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello E.t.

Out of interest have you tried running ebook-convert on the file? Some
may not have DRM applied.

Regards,

Gena




On 12 Oct 2016, at 23:48, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Gena,
 I may need to delete the one title that refuses to work and then try
it again.

 I installed the older version of the removal tool which matches your
steps. Same result though.

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On 10/12/2016 1:50 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

I don’t remember running into the kindle wizard myself. What are the
steps you take to run the kindle wizard? Then don’t do those steps again.

I did give an example of a kindle extension. So anything looking like
.azw is the file you need to point to. I have seen .mobi and .html files
too.

Good luck.

Gena





On 12 Oct 2016, at 17:39, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Another update on this process...

The removal tool is a bit illogical and has unlabeled buttons but
once those 3 are labeled, its not too bad.

Adding file is a typical process. Once I learned that the .azw file
is the file to work with, it was simple enough to select that and
convert it.

What I am running into is the Kindle wizard. It should not be
popping up since I bought only 2 books so far, directly from Amazon.
The wizard deals with content that comes from other sources so should
not apply. I cannot do the 2nd book. When I retyrn to the app, the
status for the 2nd book shows "information is incoeect". Dismissing
the wizard gets me nowhere.

I can open and close either book in the Kindle for Mac app and both
are in the library folder. Will keep working on this.

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On 10/8/2016 11:12 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Handling Kindle Books On The Mac

This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law.
Users
must take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It
is not
for the faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.

Download the following:
Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is
set to amazon.co.uk <http://amazon.co.uk/> <http://amazon.co.uk/>
<http://amazon.co.uk <http://amazon.co.uk/>
<http://amazon.co.uk/>>. This setting is difficult to
change so download from your country to save you the bother.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110

From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which
forced the
authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I
typed in my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have
a fast Mac but this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the
dialog
box. You’ll get very little speech out of it. You will know if you have
been successful because it will present the opening screen which
you can
VO arrow left and right.

Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m
sure
this is the right one.

http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download

This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the
Mac. It will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I
find the selection of books frustrating . You need to interact with the
toolbar and click on the open files button. Which brings up a typical
finder window and it’s difficult to know which book is which.

Now download Calibre:
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx
For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command
line tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:

/Applications/cali

Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

2016-10-10 Thread E.T.
   I missed that one but just now installed the app downloaded from 
Amazon. Its slightly better but the registration process was no easier. 
I think I will use the Send Feedback option on the help menu on a daily 
basis, Might work?


   Its interesting that the app from the app store does not work the 
same as the one from Amazon's site.


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On 10/10/2016 2:08 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Interact with your book list and you should be able to VO through your books. 
VO + space on one. Then look at the status on the file menu. If you’ve opened 
your book VO will tell you that it is greyed. If not select it from the menu. 
If you look at the menu again you will see below the open option is close book.

Your books will be in ~/Library/Application Support/Kindle/My Kindle Content.

You did download the kindle app from Amazon as advised?

Regards,

Gena

On 10 Oct 2016, at 20:53, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:



Gena,
  I'm sorry I decided to tackle this one. (smiles) After a struggle I got the 
registration done. But I cannot be sure I actually have my book on the Mac. The 
only part of the Kindle app that speaks is the toolbar and title bar.

  I think you stated where the Kindle content is in the library folder but I am 
unable to find my books. Once I find that I will try running the other two apps.

  We need to light a bonfire under Amazon.

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On 10/8/2016 11:12 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Handling Kindle Books On The Mac

This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law. Users
must take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It is not
for the faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.

Download the following:
Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is
set to amazon.co.uk <http://amazon.co.uk>. This setting is difficult to
change so download from your country to save you the bother.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110

From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which forced the
authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I
typed in my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have
a fast Mac but this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the dialog
box. You’ll get very little speech out of it. You will know if you have
been successful because it will present the opening screen which you can
VO arrow left and right.

Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m sure
this is the right one.

http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download

This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the
Mac. It will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I
find the selection of books frustrating . You need to interact with the
toolbar and click on the open files button. Which brings up a typical
finder window and it’s difficult to know which book is which.

Now download Calibre:
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx
For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command
line tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:

/Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert

Don’t forget auto tab completion. So on the command line something like:

ebook-convert My_Recipe_Book.azw3 .rtf

Will generate My_Recipe_Book.rtf

Here’s the help file:

Usage: ebook-convert input_file output_file [options]

Convert an ebook from one format to another.

input_file is the input and output_file is the output. Both must be
specified as the first two arguments to the command.

The output ebook format is guessed from the file extension of
output_file. output_file can also be of the special format .EXT where
EXT is the output file extension. In this case, the name of the output
file is derived from the name of the input file. Note that the filenames
must not start with a hyphen. Finally, if output_file has no extension,
then it is treated as a directory and an "open ebook" (OEB) consisting
of HTML files is written to that directory. These files are the files
that would normally have been passed to the output plugin.

After specifying the input and output file you can customize the
conversion by specifying various options. The available options depend
on the input and output file types. To get help on them specify the
input and output file and then use the -h option.

For full documentation of the conversion system see
https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html

Whenever you pass arguments to ebook-convert that have spaces in them,
enclose the arguments in quotation marks. For example "C:\some path with
spaces"

Options:
 --version   show program's version number and exit

 -h, --help  show this help message and exit

 --list-recipes  List builtin recipe nam

Re: Bluetooth devices

2016-10-16 Thread E.T.

Saqib,
   First if you have not done so, go into Bluetooth preferences and 
select the option to put it in menu extras. Then its easy to access your 
Bluetooth devices.


   In the past what used to work reliably for me was to turn the 
Bluetooth device on first then boot the Mac. Try that.


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On 10/16/2016 4:29 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:

Hi. I keep on having to go in to my settings to pair my Bluetooth speaker with 
my Mac Mini and I thought it was suppose to pair automatically when both 
devices are turned on? I keep on having to manually select the speaker in sound 
settings for output devices. I’ve gone back to using my 3.m wire as it has 
become rather tedious going  through the manual process of connecting via 
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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

2016-10-12 Thread E.T.

   Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?

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On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
nothing. Most frustrating product out there.

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scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
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Hey all,

Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader
to work. I have done my research on this issue and it looks like Abby
is not recognizing my scanner as it is only giving me the option to
read from file, no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix
this as Abby Fine Reader customer service is impossible to get on the
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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

2016-10-12 Thread E.T.

Gena,
   I may need to delete the one title that refuses to work and then try 
it again.


   I installed the older version of the removal tool which matches your 
steps. Same result though.


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On 10/12/2016 1:50 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

I don’t remember running into the kindle wizard myself. What are the
steps you take to run the kindle wizard? Then don’t do those steps again.

I did give an example of a kindle extension. So anything looking like
.azw is the file you need to point to. I have seen .mobi and .html files
too.

Good luck.

Gena





On 12 Oct 2016, at 17:39, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  Another update on this process...

  The removal tool is a bit illogical and has unlabeled buttons but
once those 3 are labeled, its not too bad.

  Adding file is a typical process. Once I learned that the .azw file
is the file to work with, it was simple enough to select that and
convert it.

  What I am running into is the Kindle wizard. It should not be
popping up since I bought only 2 books so far, directly from Amazon.
The wizard deals with content that comes from other sources so should
not apply. I cannot do the 2nd book. When I retyrn to the app, the
status for the 2nd book shows "information is incoeect". Dismissing
the wizard gets me nowhere.

  I can open and close either book in the Kindle for Mac app and both
are in the library folder. Will keep working on this.

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On 10/8/2016 11:12 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Handling Kindle Books On The Mac

This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law. Users
must take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It is not
for the faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.

Download the following:
Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is
set to amazon.co.uk <http://amazon.co.uk/> <http://amazon.co.uk
<http://amazon.co.uk/>>. This setting is difficult to
change so download from your country to save you the bother.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110

From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which forced the
authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I
typed in my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have
a fast Mac but this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the dialog
box. You’ll get very little speech out of it. You will know if you have
been successful because it will present the opening screen which you can
VO arrow left and right.

Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m sure
this is the right one.

http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download

This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the
Mac. It will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I
find the selection of books frustrating . You need to interact with the
toolbar and click on the open files button. Which brings up a typical
finder window and it’s difficult to know which book is which.

Now download Calibre:
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx
For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command
line tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:

/Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert

Don’t forget auto tab completion. So on the command line something like:

ebook-convert My_Recipe_Book.azw3 .rtf

Will generate My_Recipe_Book.rtf

Here’s the help file:

Usage: ebook-convert input_file output_file [options]

Convert an ebook from one format to another.

input_file is the input and output_file is the output. Both must be
specified as the first two arguments to the command.

The output ebook format is guessed from the file extension of
output_file. output_file can also be of the special format .EXT where
EXT is the output file extension. In this case, the name of the output
file is derived from the name of the input file. Note that the filenames
must not start with a hyphen. Finally, if output_file has no extension,
then it is treated as a directory and an "open ebook" (OEB) consisting
of HTML files is written to that directory. These files are the files
that would normally have been passed to the output plugin.

After specifying the input and output file you can customize the
conversion by specifying various options. The available options depend
on the input and output file types. To get help on them specify the
input and output file and then use the -h option.

For full documentation of the conversion system see
https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html

Whenever you pass arguments to ebook-convert that have spaces in them,
enclose the arguments in quotation marks. For example "C:\som

Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

2016-10-12 Thread E.T.

   Another update on this process...

   The removal tool is a bit illogical and has unlabeled buttons but 
once those 3 are labeled, its not too bad.


   Adding file is a typical process. Once I learned that the .azw file 
is the file to work with, it was simple enough to select that and 
convert it.


   What I am running into is the Kindle wizard. It should not be 
popping up since I bought only 2 books so far, directly from Amazon. The 
wizard deals with content that comes from other sources so should not 
apply. I cannot do the 2nd book. When I retyrn to the app, the status 
for the 2nd book shows "information is incoeect". Dismissing the wizard 
gets me nowhere.


   I can open and close either book in the Kindle for Mac app and both 
are in the library folder. Will keep working on this.


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On 10/8/2016 11:12 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Handling Kindle Books On The Mac

This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law. Users
must take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It is not
for the faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.

 Download the following:
Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is
set to amazon.co.uk <http://amazon.co.uk>. This setting is difficult to
change so download from your country to save you the bother.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110

From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which forced the
authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I
typed in my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have
a fast Mac but this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the dialog
box. You’ll get very little speech out of it. You will know if you have
been successful because it will present the opening screen which you can
VO arrow left and right.

Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m sure
this is the right one.

http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download

This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the
Mac. It will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I
find the selection of books frustrating . You need to interact with the
toolbar and click on the open files button. Which brings up a typical
finder window and it’s difficult to know which book is which.

Now download Calibre:
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx
For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command
line tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:

/Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert

Don’t forget auto tab completion. So on the command line something like:

ebook-convert My_Recipe_Book.azw3 .rtf

Will generate My_Recipe_Book.rtf

Here’s the help file:

Usage: ebook-convert input_file output_file [options]

Convert an ebook from one format to another.

input_file is the input and output_file is the output. Both must be
specified as the first two arguments to the command.

The output ebook format is guessed from the file extension of
output_file. output_file can also be of the special format .EXT where
EXT is the output file extension. In this case, the name of the output
file is derived from the name of the input file. Note that the filenames
must not start with a hyphen. Finally, if output_file has no extension,
then it is treated as a directory and an "open ebook" (OEB) consisting
of HTML files is written to that directory. These files are the files
that would normally have been passed to the output plugin.

After specifying the input and output file you can customize the
conversion by specifying various options. The available options depend
on the input and output file types. To get help on them specify the
input and output file and then use the -h option.

For full documentation of the conversion system see
https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html

Whenever you pass arguments to ebook-convert that have spaces in them,
enclose the arguments in quotation marks. For example "C:\some path with
spaces"

Options:
  --version   show program's version number and exit

  -h, --help  show this help message and exit

  --list-recipes  List builtin recipe names. You can create an ebook from a
  builtin recipe like this: ebook-convert "Recipe
Name.recipe"
  output.epub


Created by Kovid Goyal <ko...@kovidgoyal.net <mailto:ko...@kovidgoyal.net>>












On 8 Oct 2016, at 01:56, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com
<mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Okay, I downloaded the kindle app, and I think I downloaded my entire
collection.  1. I can’t find the kindle book library nowhere on my
mac.  2. I can not navigate books in the kindle app, let alone open
them with command O.  I have tried with quick nav on and off, and
either method d

Re: My plan for a clean install of Sierra

2016-10-12 Thread E.T.
   Yep. I restored apps from TM and the next day redid the clean 
install, this time only restoring computer and settings from TM via 
Migration Assistant. Manually installing apps and registering a very few 
of them again was easier.


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On 10/12/2016 9:54 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

You can but you reinstall any difficulties you were having previously.
 Not a bad solution but not the perfect clean sweep I think Phil is
looking for.


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After you reformat the drive, can’t you restore from the time machine
backup?  This should eliminate the need to reinstall applications and
files.

Chris

On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Blee Blat <bleeb...@gmail.com
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That looks sane, just be careful that you don't  accidentally erase
the recovery partition, just erase the HD volume. If you erase the
recovery partition, it will drop you into internet recovery and
you'll then have to start with the OS the machine came with before
you upgrade to Sierra again and that would not be fun.

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Re: Abby Fine Reader not recognizing scanner

2016-10-12 Thread E.T.
   When I wanted to get Finereader 2-3 years ago for the Mac, Express 
was then not available so got the Pro version.


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On 10/12/2016 10:21 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

I believe it is am I possibly running an out dated version? Are you guys
running the pro version? Thanks,

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  Is the Express version compatible with Sierra?

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On 10/12/2016 10:10 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

John, Are you using Abby Fine Reader Express or Pro? I am using Express
or should say trying to use. Just deleted and reinstalled and still
nothing. Most frustrating product out there.

On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com
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  I’ve had no problems with my HP8500. I just checked it out to be
sure. I’d suggest first making sure Image Capture will work with the
scanner. If it does, you might want to try deleting Abby and then
installing it again. If Image Capture isn’t working, be sure the
scanner is being seen by the Mac at all.


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Hey all,

Since installing Sierra I have not been able to get Abby Fine Reader
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read from file, no Twain driver option. Does anyone know how to fix
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Re: New Macbook Air for Christmas

2016-10-17 Thread E.T.

Scott,
   When did Apple switch to non removable memory and does this apply to 
all Mac models?


   I have a mid 2012 which I upgraded to 16 but at the time did not 
know I could go higher.


   At this point, if I do anything, it would be an SSD drive.

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On 10/16/2016 2:46 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Kevin, I’m with you and I wish you could take the MacBook pro up higher
as well.

When the memory was removable I was able to upgrade a 2011 model to 32
GB.  Would be nice to have 32 or 64 in the current line.



On Oct 16, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com
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I wish the MBA's, whether it be 11" or 13" could accept 16GB RAM. I'm
replacing this 13" Air with 8GB RAM for Pro with 16GB RAM. Janky
performance with loud fan/excessive heat got old :(

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:49 AM christopher hallsworth
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Screen size doesn’t bother me since I am a full time VoiceOver
user. My Macbook Pro is 13 inches anyway so don’t need another 13
inch mac at this time.
> On 3 Oct 2016, at 09:41, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com
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> Aww that is so awesome. I have the base 13 inch model from 2014,
and yeah, they are awesome. I have a feeling you will love it.
>
> Portia.
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>> Hello everyone.
>>
>> Well just thought to let you know that for Christmas I will be
treating myself to the new 11 inch Macbook Air with base
configuration: 4 GB RAM, 1.6 GHZ processor with turbo boost up to
over 2 GHZ, Intel Core i5, 128 GB pcie-based flash storage. Since
I have an old, but very much usable, 13 inch Macbook Pro this
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Facetime for Apple users only?

2016-10-17 Thread E.T.
   Was just looking at Facetime on the Mac and see a couple entries, 
one of which was a wrong number, the other one from someone who does not 
own Apple devices.


   T thought Facetime was an Apple-only service so am curious about this.

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Re: Attention Aleeha Dudley

2016-10-15 Thread E.T.

   Chris, stick a fork in it.

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On 10/15/2016 8:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Well, by getting so defensive for something that I was simply trying to
make her aware of, she's basically just proved to me her true colors.
Maybe she, is! the fish.

Enough said, I won't make any further comments, I promise.
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Hi,

Sounds like a phishing expedition.  These have found there way to
gMail, Google Apps and other big eMail providers.  They are designed
to get you to login to a fake web page with your gMail, Live or
whatever account.  They will then gain access to your password, your
contacts and much more.  Often they will change some things in your
eMail settings like your return address, and/or set up filters or
blocks to further mess with your account.  If you didn't login,
you're fine.  The best thing to do from the prospective of the
affected user is to change your password, as was already done, but
to also set up two step or two factor authentication.  This usually
will make it so that this sort of attack is no longer an option.

Later...

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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2016, at 08:43, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
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My opinion exactly. I do apologize. Things can happen, even to the
best of us. I have change my password, and done what I can to take
care of it. That's all I can do. Next time, a private message might
be nice, rather than publicly blasting me on the listserv.

Sent from my iPhone

    On Oct 15, 2016, at 9:41 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:


  So click the Block link. Simple as that. You are now safe.
Simple as that. This requires no further attention.

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I just received an off list message from Aleeha Dudley, who I
know is on
this list. The odd thing is, rather than showing the message,
there is a
link I have to click to view the message. When I scanned the link
before
openning it, it didn't appear to be infected, so therefore I
opened it.
Now, it wants to give something called Zorpia access to my Google
account.

I'm not sure I feel comfortable doing that. I have no idea what
Zorpia is.

Aleeha, I welcome you to e-mail me directly, but please don't send me
anything through Zorpia, until you further explain both what it
is, and
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Re: Attention Aleeha Dudley

2016-10-15 Thread E.T.
   So click the Block link. Simple as that. You are now safe. Simple as 
that. This requires no further attention.


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I just received an off list message from Aleeha Dudley, who I know is on
this list. The odd thing is, rather than showing the message, there is a
link I have to click to view the message. When I scanned the link before
openning it, it didn't appear to be infected, so therefore I opened it.
Now, it wants to give something called Zorpia access to my Google account.

I'm not sure I feel comfortable doing that. I have no idea what Zorpia is.

Aleeha, I welcome you to e-mail me directly, but please don't send me
anything through Zorpia, until you further explain both what it is, and
what your reasonings were for sending that to me. Was that msg even legit?

My e-mail is:

clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>

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Re: Redmond pie article on airport replacements

2016-11-26 Thread E.T.
   I chose the Netgear AC1900 over the AC5300 because it was $100 
cheaper. Been working quite well for me and my Apple TV.


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On 11/26/2016 6:40 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Redmond pie just posted an article discussing router replacements for the 
Airport.  They suggest a slightly less expensive Netgear from the same model 
range I mentioned and a few other interesting mesh options including one from 
Amplifi and one from Google.  Read more here.

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Re: iCloud Accounts

2016-11-29 Thread E.T.
   Have looked in there and can find my details but cannot find an 
editable email address field.


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On 11/29/2016 11:47 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote:

System prefs/Internet accounts.  Check there.  Should find everything
you need.  HTH.


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  In reviewing my mail accounts on the Mac, I find my main iCloud mail
account has the wrong email address attached to it. I cannot find
where to change this. The main account is my Apple ID with a Charter
email address but for mail, am using an iCloud address. Sure could use
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iCloud Accounts

2016-11-29 Thread E.T.
   In reviewing my mail accounts on the Mac, I find my main iCloud mail 
account has the wrong email address attached to it. I cannot find where 
to change this. The main account is my Apple ID with a Charter email 
address but for mail, am using an iCloud address. Sure could use some 
guidance here. Thanks.


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Re: iCloud Accounts

2016-11-29 Thread E.T.

   All is well.

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On 11/29/2016 11:47 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote:

System prefs/Internet accounts.  Check there.  Should find everything
you need.  HTH.


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Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

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Re: Numbers Templates

2016-12-07 Thread E.T.
   Thanks Tim. I found an old budget created in Excel so will export 
that into Numbers and see if that will save me some work.


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On 12/7/2016 12:19 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Yes, it has some built-in templates.  I've never actually used them, so I'm 
probably not much help there.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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  I need to do a quick foray into Numbers and would like to know if it has 
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2016-12-07 Thread E.T.
   I need to do a quick foray into Numbers and would like to know if it 
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Re: Here's how to view your battery time remaining and charge

2016-12-15 Thread E.T.

Scott,
   I have Battery Monitor and Battery Health installed. Its been a 
while since I looked at them but will run these and see which gets to stay.


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On 12/15/2016 6:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I haven’t, I did use a battery monitor program though that may fit the
bill I’ll have to download it again.  It did show the number of cycles
of charge and such but I never found it that useful as it duplicated the
built in battery gauge.  Might take another look.


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Thanks, Scott.  Just curious, I'm not familiar with iStat mini.  Have
you used it?  Does it do anything besides provide battery info?
TIA,
Donna

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From Redmondpie, this seems to work initially, I can see the
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Re: Pages problems resolved and a question

2016-12-15 Thread E.T.
   Did not have issues with updating Pages back in October. Did have 
another app chew up its dock shortcut, replacing the shortcut took care 
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On 12/15/2016 6:27 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi all,

So I finally got my Pages problem resolved.  After trying again to download the 
update this morning, I went into the applications folder and checked the date 
on the pages app.  It was the most recent date, which suggested that the update 
had been successful.  And, when I opened it from the Applications folder, I was 
able to open and edit all my documents.  However, when I tried to open Pages 
from the dock, I still got the error message that I needed a newer version of 
pages.  I deleted the Pages shortcut from the dock, and created a new shortcut 
from the Applications folder.  So all is well, but I have two questions.  Why 
didn't the shortcut in the dock update? And, since the old shortcut seemed to 
be opening something, do i now have two versions of Pages on my Mac?  I don't 
see a second version in the Applications folder.

Thanks in advance for any insights.
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Re: Pages problems resolved and a question

2016-12-15 Thread E.T.

   Yes much worse. (smiles) My guess is the shortcut itself was corrupted.

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On 12/15/2016 9:07 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Interesting.  Have never had that happen before.  There are worse things, of 
course, I was just curious as to what would cause that.
Cheers,
Donna

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  Did not have issues with updating Pages back in October. Did have another app 
chew up its dock shortcut, replacing the shortcut took care of that.

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On 12/15/2016 6:27 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi all,

So I finally got my Pages problem resolved.  After trying again to download the 
update this morning, I went into the applications folder and checked the date 
on the pages app.  It was the most recent date, which suggested that the update 
had been successful.  And, when I opened it from the Applications folder, I was 
able to open and edit all my documents.  However, when I tried to open Pages 
from the dock, I still got the error message that I needed a newer version of 
pages.  I deleted the Pages shortcut from the dock, and created a new shortcut 
from the Applications folder.  So all is well, but I have two questions.  Why 
didn't the shortcut in the dock update? And, since the old shortcut seemed to 
be opening something, do i now have two versions of Pages on my Mac?  I don't 
see a second version in the Applications folder.

Thanks in advance for any insights.
Cheers,
Donna



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Re: Pages problems resolved and a question

2016-12-15 Thread E.T.
   Yes its good to find this out and file it away in the dusty archives 
of our minds. I think it was Skype that did this to me but its been a 
couple months now. And this may explain why I did not see this with 
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On 12/15/2016 10:44 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Thanks, Jonathan! That was exactly the problem.  I had a folder called
iWork09.  It's gone now. :)

Thanks again for the tip.  It is nice to have an explanation for what
was going on.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com
<mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I believe that older versions of iWork were located in the iWork 2009
folder under Applications and not directly in the Applications folder.
So, check if you have a a folder called iWork or iWork with a version
number or year. I expect you have such a folder.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 15 December 2016 at 12:07, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Interesting.  Have never had that happen before.  There are worse
things, of course, I was just curious as to what would cause that.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 11:03 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>
>   Did not have issues with updating Pages back in October. Did
have another app chew up its dock shortcut, replacing the shortcut
took care of that.
>
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> On 12/15/2016 6:27 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So I finally got my Pages problem resolved.  After trying again
to download the update this morning, I went into the applications
folder and checked the date on the pages app.  It was the most
recent date, which suggested that the update had been successful.
And, when I opened it from the Applications folder, I was able to
open and edit all my documents.  However, when I tried to open
Pages from the dock, I still got the error message that I needed a
newer version of pages.  I deleted the Pages shortcut from the
dock, and created a new shortcut from the Applications folder.  So
all is well, but I have two questions.  Why didn't the shortcut in
the dock update? And, since the old shortcut seemed to be opening
something, do i now have two versions of Pages on my Mac?  I don't
see a second version in the Applications folder.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any insights.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>
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Re: thoughts on battery after update

2016-12-15 Thread E.T.
   Open the Energy preferences and leave focus on the battery charge 
item which reads in percentage. Just switch windows now and then to 
check it.


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On 12/15/2016 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, then 
into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item chooser 
so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for something so 
very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, information such as 
battery level should be available to me with the same ease that it is available 
to a sighted user.

Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily fixed, 
I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available through alternate 
means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or using a monitoring tool 
here not having to work around in some crazy cursor mode and click with a mouse 
because the keyboard commands don’t focus correctly or any number of issues you 
run in to on the windows side.  I would agree if there was no access to battery 
level but the fact is there still is and not just in one alternate way but many.

Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific have 
broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility company.  I rest 
my case.


On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi Tim,

I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks that 
blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  This is 
all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the last Apple 
event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, I wouldn't want 
to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision by Apple flies in 
the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a computer I'm not 
comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.

At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:

Hi,

I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to the 
sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing if 
they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make the 
indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine is 
using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just fine in 
10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.

I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
direction.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done in 
that area.

Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.


On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re the 
battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is an icon 
that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an equivalent for us.  
I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a laptop--which 
theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without providing them good 
access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I know.  You can go into 
Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time consuming process.  And yes, you 
can ask Siri.  But that's hardly convenient or appropriate if you're in the 
middle of a meeting, a class, etc.  I had been planning to purchase one of the 
new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's 
lead and purchase a PC instead.

To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage you 
to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given battery 
information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
Best,
Donna

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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

2016-12-15 Thread E.T.

Scott,
   Did you make the command assignment in VO Utility, Commanders?

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On 12/15/2016 5:55 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi, about the script, I copied to the directory and pasted.  When I
press right option b nothing happens.  I do have the keyboard commander
enabled and right option T works for example.  I also tried changing the
extension from .scpt to .applescript with no success.  I entered my
password when pasting and when changing the extension.  Any other ideas
for something to check?

Thank you
Scott



On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com
<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste
the dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this
last night but I was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To
have it run, simply go to your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to
library than scripts. Find the Voiceover folder then paste the script.
To use it, simply press right option+B.
As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your
messages or are you pressing return? I press return when reading
emails and this doesn't happen to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I didn't know of mail issues ether,

I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac,
As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.

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Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems
to work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most
would.

Chris.

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Has the problems with mail been fixed?



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Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST

On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados
<scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>>
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I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public
release.
Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta
have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.

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Dropbox and its Public folder

2016-12-15 Thread E.T.
   Just got an email from Dropbox indicating that support  for the 
Public folder will go away in March of next year and replaced with 
Private. From what I read, it appears to be a matter of terminology and 
that functionality will be unchanged. But when this change takes place, 
one would need to create new links to any shared files in that folder.


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Re: thoughts on battery after update

2016-12-15 Thread E.T.
   Isn't that a bit of a reach? What Apple probably did was they broke 
the Voiceover ability to speak the percentage. We may not need to wait 
for the .3 update to fix this. Just my .05 cents.


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On 12/15/2016 1:39 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi Tim,

I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks that 
blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  This is 
all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the last Apple 
event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, I wouldn't want 
to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision by Apple flies in 
the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a computer I'm not 
comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.

At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:

Hi,

I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to the 
sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing if 
they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make the 
indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine is 
using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just fine in 
10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.

I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that 
direction.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done in 
that area.

Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage yet.


On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility re the 
battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If there is an icon 
that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be an equivalent for us.  
I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely on a laptop--which 
theoretically is intended for computing on the go--without providing them good 
access to battery information is ridiculous.  Yes, I know.  You can go into 
Activity Monitor.  But that is a fairly time consuming process.  And yes, you 
can ask Siri.  But that's hardly convenient or appropriate if you're in the 
middle of a meeting, a class, etc.  I had been planning to purchase one of the 
new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's 
lead and purchase a PC instead.

To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable.  If you agree, I encourage you 
to write to Apple accessibility and ask that we at least be given battery 
information equivalent to that provided to sighted users.
Best,
Donna

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Re: thoughts on battery after update

2016-12-15 Thread E.T.

   Heh and I too made a stink and sent Apple an email.

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On 12/15/2016 2:16 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Good.  I'm glad it's working for you as well.  I agree that it is even more 
important when not connected to power, and I believe that's why some of us are 
making a stink.  Yes, there are workarounds, but hopefully, these are only 
needed for the short-term.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 15:02, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

I am.  My charger came unplugged.  *grin* I'm really glad you mentioned this.  
I still think that the time you really need this info is when you're *not* 
plugged in, but it's good to know that you can get it when you are.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:

Hi,

Yes, when connected to power, the percentage is announced, whether I have "Show 
Percentage" check or not in the Battery Menu Extra.  Hmmm, not sure why you're not 
seeing that behaviour.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:56, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

So you're saying that the announcement was available for you?  It was not for 
me when I was connected to power.  All I heard was the word battery.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:

hi,

I'm not an Apple developer by any stretch of the imagination, but do have a 
solid foundation on these sorts of things.  If the announcement is available 
when your power adaptor is connected, but not when it is disconnected and, 
thus, on battery, then the fix should be relatively easy and not a huge rewrite.

Now, the question is just a matter of priority in my world.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:47, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done.  But 
no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying 
attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, then 
into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item chooser 
so that I can see the battery level.  That's too many steps for something so 
very basic.  If Apple is really committed to accessibility, information such as 
battery level should be available to me with the same ease that it is available 
to a sighted user.

Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily 
available.  Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily fixed, 
I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available through alternate 
means.  We’re talking about adding an Apple script or using a monitoring tool 
here not having to work around in some crazy cursor mode and click with a mouse 
because the keyboard commands don’t focus correctly or any number of issues you 
run in to on the windows side.  I would agree if there was no access to battery 
level but the fact is there still is and not just in one alternate way but many.

Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific have 
broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility company.  I rest 
my case.


On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi Tim,

I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a 
matter of principle.  Having access to battery information is for me a 
non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks that 
blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them.  This is 
all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the last Apple 
event where they touted their commitment to accessibility.  So, I wouldn't want 
to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision by Apple flies in 
the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a computer I'm not 
comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC.

At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be  moot point.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:

Hi,

I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible to the 
sighted user, but not present to the VO user.  Scott, that's pleasing if 
they're working on it in 10.12.3.  All they really need to do is make the 
indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when the machine is 
using the power adaptor or the battery.  It does announce things just fine in 
10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on battery power.

I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of 
this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experi

Re: Is development for OS Over?

2016-12-15 Thread E.T.

Scott and Kawal,
   I started with Mountain Lion but as I really only started getring 
comfortable with the Mac at around Yosemite, I still have seen a great 
deal of development ongoing, especially now in Sierra and its 
partnership with iOS.


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On 12/15/2016 2:15 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I don’t think development has changed.  OS X has evolved a lot since the 
leopard days I started working with it.  There are major upgrades, especially 
under the hood and with collaboration among other things.  Performance is 
steadily improving and the laptops are clearly being developed.  The days of 
the desk top may be over but everyone is mobile now. I think the days of the 
computer in some form are with us for a while yet.



On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

Just a question for you all.

Please note I don't test beta's as I don't have time but have been wondering is 
development over for the Mac OS?  For the last six years since I've used the 
Mac, only small things have changed.  I as you most know, use a Mac and Mac 
Mini as I don't have any need for a portable machine.  Apple bring out new lap 
tops but they don't bring out a new desk top so am wondering if Apple are 
finished with the computer side of their OS.  They have also got rid of their 
mac safe wire and their airport extremes.  I am very sad that Apple should want 
to do this.  In fact access technology has been standing still since the 
talking I phone came out.  I wonder where access technology is going.  I want 
something new to excite me as I use to get excited over new technology but 
these days it's the same old, same old.  I don't think an new I phone will grip 
a blind person any more so I'm wondering what is next to make us so crazy.

Kawal.

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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

2016-12-15 Thread E.T.
   I had to work through the process myself because I haven't installed 
scripts in a long long time. I keep a pile of notes and had to search 
for this one. Glad you got it working.


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  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
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On 12/15/2016 9:16 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Lol no, good man, sounds like that would be the problem heh.

I’m so fried from Interviewing, been on this marathon deal I didn’t
think of that.

Thank you


On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:46 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Scott,
  Did you make the command assignment in VO Utility, Commanders?

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On 12/15/2016 5:55 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi, about the script, I copied to the directory and pasted. When I
press right option b nothing happens.  I do have the keyboard commander
enabled and right option T works for example.  I also tried changing the
extension from .scpt to .applescript with no success.  I entered my
password when pasting and when changing the extension. Any other ideas
for something to check?

Thank you
Scott



On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com
<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste
the dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this
last night but I was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To
have it run, simply go to your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to
library than scripts. Find the Voiceover folder then paste the script.
To use it, simply press right option+B.
As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your
messages or are you pressing return? I press return when reading
emails and this doesn't happen to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
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On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I didn't know of mail issues ether,

I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac,
As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.

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I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems
to work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most
would.

Chris.

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Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released


Has the problems with mail been fixed?



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Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST

On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados
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I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public
release.
Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta
have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.

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Re: contacts problem

2016-12-16 Thread E.T.

   Reboot the phone?

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On 12/16/2016 7:33 AM, jeff `greene wrote:

Hi, Well, I updated my iPhone 7 to 10.2 and all my contacts are gone.
Since the update I've put the phone on the charger overnight hoping
icloud would download my contacts, but no luck. Any suggestions?
Thanks Jeff



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Re: iPhone users of the mail app think twice before upgrading to 10.2 when it comes out

2016-12-06 Thread E.T.
   Can't we keep this off list 100%? If 10.2 is still in beta then its 
off topic, yes? Where is that discussion group for beta testers?


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On 12/6/2016 9:52 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

Well, I did confirm off list with another beta user who is having the same 
issue I am having. So I know it isn't just me, running beta six on an iPhone 7 
Plus. Maybe this issue doesn't bother you as much as it does me. And this other 
user.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have not had any issues with mail on 10.2 on the 7+ running Beta 6 of the 
10.2 train.



On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are a heavy user of the iPhone mail app, don't rush to upgrade to 10.2 
if you are not already in the beta program. Since I suppose were not supposed 
to say what is the problem on some of these lists, I won't. Just saying, don't 
do it before you hear about the problem if it doesn't get fixed.
Mary


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Re: iPhone 7/7+

2016-12-06 Thread E.T.
   Not overly concerned but enough to take some steps that are within 
my reach. Solar power would be an option except for my location. I do 
have some gel batteries which I should check soon.


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On 12/6/2016 8:31 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

If you’re that concerned about disasters you might look in to a solar power 
source, they come at all price points so you can recharge that battery and or 
run other items.  There are some solutions that would let you charge a laptop 
and or phone easily which would give you more operational time.  Also remember, 
hopefully your local cell sites have generator backup.


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Thanks David and Scott. I now see that the better battery life is
compelling for anther reason. Should we experience a major event
courtesy Mother Nature, I could get by while waiting for things to
settle down.

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On 12/6/2016 7:02 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
> I find the larger battery to be extremely compelling. I use GPS fairly 
regularly. In my 6+, I get significantly more battery life than my 7. 
Unfortunately, there were no 7+ available when I needed to get my new iPhone, and 
because I have two phone numbers now, I could not wait for the 7+ upgrade to be 
available. Everything else is similar between the two phones. My fiancé has the 
7+, and even the stereo separation is not that much more pronounced in the larger 
phone. Next year, I will shift back to the + model. The additional battery life is 
that important for me.
>
> Kind regards,
>
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 7/12/2016, at 15:47, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Weather permitting, I should be getting one of the above. Having 
looked at the specs, 3 things that differ between the two models.
>>
>>   Screen size/overall size, camera and battery life.
>>
>>   Those of you who have used both, do you find any of these factors 
compelling enough to push you to the plus?
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iPhone 7/7+

2016-12-06 Thread E.T.
   Weather permitting, I should be getting one of the above. Having 
looked at the specs, 3 things that differ between the two models.


   Screen size/overall size, camera and battery life.

   Those of you who have used both, do you find any of these factors 
compelling enough to push you to the plus?


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Re: iPhone 7/7+

2016-12-06 Thread E.T.
   Thanks David and Scott. I now see that the better battery life is 
compelling for anther reason. Should we experience a major event 
courtesy Mother Nature, I could get by while waiting for things to 
settle down.


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On 12/6/2016 7:02 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

I find the larger battery to be extremely compelling. I use GPS fairly 
regularly. In my 6+, I get significantly more battery life than my 7. 
Unfortunately, there were no 7+ available when I needed to get my new iPhone, 
and because I have two phone numbers now, I could not wait for the 7+ upgrade 
to be available. Everything else is similar between the two phones. My fiancé 
has the 7+, and even the stereo separation is not that much more pronounced in 
the larger phone. Next year, I will shift back to the + model. The additional 
battery life is that important for me.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone


On 7/12/2016, at 15:47, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  Weather permitting, I should be getting one of the above. Having looked at 
the specs, 3 things that differ between the two models.

  Screen size/overall size, camera and battery life.

  Those of you who have used both, do you find any of these factors compelling 
enough to push you to the plus?

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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

2016-12-14 Thread E.T.
   Did a quick read and it makes sense to me. I really do not believe 
the time remaining on a battery is reliable but that is me.


   I am still in update mode. Perhaps the lack of a VO speaking 
percentage is a minor bug? If the image is there then that must be it.


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On 12/14/2016 1:13 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Tim between you and me, I think that’s weak sauce.

I knew the time remaining wasn’t hugely accurate but this seems like
Apple dumbing down their product because users can’t think straight.  I
don’t like that.  Should be a toggled deal.  But that’s me.




On Dec 14, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
<mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Scott,

The original link had a typo in it.  Here's what I've found:

http://www.loopinsight.com/2016/12/13/macos-sierra-10-12-2-released/

Again, it appears that there's still an image of the percentage, but
VO isn't able to announce that as far as I can tell.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 14, 2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com
<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

WHat’s the reason?  DO you have a pointer to the article?


On Dec 14, 2016, at 3:58 PM, matthew dyer
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Tim,


This is by design.  I read about it earlyer.


Matthew




On 12/14/2016 11:58 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

One thing of note, it appears that the Battery Menu Extras item has
lost the ability to announce the current Battery level.  That is, as
you move across the Menu Extras, the current battery level, or time
until charged used to be announced.  This is no longer the case for me.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 14, 2016, at 09:53, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com
<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I noticed the same thing but it was incremental for me as I was
updating with each beta.  It seems like a pretty substantial update
in size and as you mentioned firmware as well.

Might blow out the install and do a clean 10.12.2 install although
so far it’s responding beautifully.


On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
<mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Got it up here in the Great White Frozen North at about 2:00-ish
MST.  There must be some updates to firmware and other base
operations as I got the solid tone and about six restarts before it
finished the process.  All seems to be running smooth after the update.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 14, 2016, at 09:47, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com
<mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST

On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados
<scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public
release.  Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues
from the beta have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.

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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

2016-12-16 Thread E.T.

Scott,
   Now really, you need to stop running all those marathons. (smiles)

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On 12/16/2016 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)


On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of this.

  Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.

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On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi all,

A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
thought it would be of interest to many on the list.

http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

2016-12-16 Thread E.T.
   I ike it too. Only one problem, VO speech is slower than in other 
areas. I don't remember if I ever fixed this when I used scripts before.


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On 12/16/2016 8:32 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

That script is so much better than the previous built in method


On Dec 16, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
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That is a truly handy script, especially these days.  thanks again, Shawn.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com
<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery script, I'll paste
the dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going to do this
last night but I was tired and didn't have the energy to find it. To
have it run, simply go to your Mackintosh HD in finder, then go to
library than scripts. Find the Voiceover folder then paste the
script. To use it, simply press right option+B.
As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to read your
messages or are you pressing return? I press return when reading
emails and this doesn't happen to me. Anyway, here's the Dropbox link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0

Shawn
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On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I didn't know of mail issues ether,

I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a 2009 iMac,
As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.

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Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail
seems to work fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured
like most would.

Chris.

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Has the problems with mail been fixed?



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Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST

On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados
<scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>>
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I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public
release.
Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta
have been worked out.  Update em if you got em.

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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

2016-12-16 Thread E.T.
   Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is 
aware of this.


   Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.

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On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi all,

A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
thought it would be of interest to many on the list.

http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
Cheers,
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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

2016-12-16 Thread E.T.
   Thanks all. That was too easy. I was sure I had the "allow 
AppleScript to control VoiceOver " checked. It wasn't.


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On 12/16/2016 10:53 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

You probably need to check allow AppleScript to control VoiceOver in the
VoiceOver utility under general.

There are two ways forAppleScript to speak items
tell VoiceOver to output "Hello there"
and
speak "Hello there"

The first one uses VoiceOver and voiceover preferences.
The second one uses Apple's standard speech language that has been
available since MacOS 7 (and I don't mean 10.7)

Most VoiceOver aware speech scripts will ask VoiceOver to say the area
of the voiceover cursor and if that command fails it will then use the
Speak command, but if the get bounds of VO Cursor succeeds then it will use
tell VoiceOver to output theString


Best Wishes,

Jonathan  to

On 16 December 2016 at 12:03, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

   I ike it too. Only one problem, VO speech is slower than in other
areas. I don't remember if I ever fixed this when I used scripts before.

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On 12/16/2016 8:32 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

That script is so much better than the previous built in method

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That is a truly handy script, especially these days.  thanks
again, Shawn.
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Shawn Krasniuk
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<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com
<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>>> wrote:

Hey guys. For those of you who wanted the battery
script, I'll paste
the dropbox link at the end of the message. I was going
to do this
last night but I was tired and didn't have the energy to
find it. To
have it run, simply go to your Mackintosh HD in finder,
then go to
library than scripts. Find the Voiceover folder then
paste the
script. To use it, simply press right option+B.
As for Matthew's email problem, are you using VO+J to
read your
messages or are you pressing return? I press return when
reading
emails and this doesn't happen to me. Anyway, here's the
Dropbox link.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0>

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I didn't know of mail issues ether,

I do know that sierra might have a few issues on a
2009 iMac,
As I believe that is the bottom end of it's range.

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Re: itunes help, please!

2016-12-17 Thread E.T.
   Maybe do command-option-l to see if anything is actually being 
downloaded.


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On 12/17/2016 8:56 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Mine is doing the same thing.  The first thing I did was try to search for an 
explanation, but none of the terms I tried yielded anything useful.  I don’t 
have time to chase the problem any further, so I just closed it down for fear 
it was doing something i really would not like.


On Dec 16, 2016, at 6:41 PM, alia robinson <ali...@gmail.com> wrote:

Okay, since the update my itunes is making the sound like it’s downloading 
something every 15 seconds. I have dl apps music from other devices etc all 
unchecked, any ideas? this is driving me crazy. no one sighted sees my itunes 
downloading anything.

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System Monitor apps

2016-12-17 Thread E.T.
   MenuBar Stats and iStat Mini are two that look interesting. Has 
anyone used both?


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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

2016-12-17 Thread E.T.

Christine,
   What may work is to find all occurrences of the install file and 
trash it then empty the trash. Then download a fresh copy.


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On 12/17/2016 5:07 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

The saga continues. Oddly, Sierra was not in my “purchases,” so I
searched for it and clicked Install, followed by Continue. Then I
clicked Agree twice. Then a grid appeared with the message “You can’t
upgrade this version because a newer version is installed.” Yet, “About
This Mac” insists I have 10.12.1. I am at a loss.
Christine
 On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
<mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:


Christine,

Sounds like it's being less than cooperative for you.  How about we
try to download the entire Sierra installer from the AppStore then.
 When in the AppStore on your Mac, press cmd-4 to bring focus to your
purchases.  Sign in if needed.  There should be a table with your list
of purchases.  Interact with it and see if Sierra is in there.  If it
is, then to the far right of that row should be an Install or Download
button, press it.  If for some reason, Sierra is not in your list of
purchases, press cmd-f and enter Sierra in the resulting field, then
press return.  MacOS Sierra should be your first result in the Search
Results.  Locate the Install button within the info for MacOS Sierra
and press it.  If it says that you already have Sierra, press the "So
What" button, oops, I mean the Continue button.  If the download
progress is not available in this screen, press cmd-4 again to bring
up the Purchases scree and interact with the Other Purchases table,
you should find the download progress in there.

See if you have any more success this way.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:39, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com
<mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Tim, I did attempt to download the regular update directly from Apple,
but it will not download completely. It has stopped at 34.9 MB, 36.6
mb, and 40.5 MB.
I have downloaded other items with no problem.
Christine



On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
<mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Scott,

Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is
causing the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is
confused.  There are ways of editing the log, but it would probably
be much easier simply to find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2
on Apple's site.  Download it, then run that installer to update your
system.  If you have problems, let us know.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com
<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You do not update the IOS through the App Store.

You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.
 YOu’ll.be <http://ll.be/> prompted for you pin, enter your pin and
then wait a while, the file will download and you’ll click install.
 All will complete at that point on it’s own and it can take several
minutes where the phone seems dead.  Just leave it alone once it
starts to install and be sure you’re plugged in.

Hope that helps.


On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman
<cgrassman1...@gmail.com <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a
notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried
manual downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted
downloading again. The only updates shown when I go to the update
tab in the App Store are Pages and Numbers, which I downloaded weeks
ago. Each time I hit “Update All” it soon says “no updates
available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates are again available.
I am at a loss. :(
Help! TIA.
Christine

P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4
gigs.

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Re: Aliases in icloud mail

2016-12-17 Thread E.T.

   This Apple article will guide you through the process.

<https://support.apple.com/kb/ph2622?locale=en_US>

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On 12/17/2016 4:51 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Never been able to add an alias but try going through
Applied.apple.com and see if that gives you any more information.



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Subject: Aliases in icloud mail

Hello,
I am using VoiceOver on the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac.
I would like to add some Email aliases to my iCloud mail account but cannot 
work out how to do this under VoiceOver. I log into www.icloud.com and select 
change iCloud settings and then change app and then mail. Alas that does not 
offer me an option to add a new alias. I have tried this with both Safari and 
Chrome with no joy.
A complication is that I have set up 2 factor authentication on my iCloud 
account which results in a 6 digit verification code being sent to my iPhone. I 
then enter this onto my iMac and so think this part of the process is working 
OK.
Has anyone added an iCloud mail alias using VoiceOver?
Many thanks….

Paul Hopewell



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Re: Navigating tezt

2016-12-17 Thread E.T.
   Yes Quick Nav has gotten me a few times but its easy to know when it 
needs to be turned off.


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On 12/17/2016 4:48 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

That and make sure Quick Nav is off. When it's on, things get confusing,
unless you're careful to only use the rotor.

On Dec 16, 2016, at 21:43, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  And the answer is, interact with text. (smiles)

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On 12/16/2016 3:45 PM, E.T. wrote:

  I've been working with text to get a handle on navigating by
character, word, sentence and paragraph. Also using spell check.

  I am having trouble getting consistent results when reading next or
previous word, sentence and paragraph. I have no idea what I did but
somehow this now works as I funble with the VO commands. Any guidance
would be wonderful. Thanks.

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Re: Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

2016-12-12 Thread E.T.
   With or without using the VO keys I am not hearing the On My Mac 
category. Well now, after I invoked the Item Chooser, the VO keys did 
speak the heading. Interesting.


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In the mailbox list you must use the VO cursor to find the On My Mac
line. The arrow keys will just skip over that line.

Item chooser will also work, but it is a bit slow. I highly recommend
that you don't try  vo-END on the mailbox list, I found VO hanging with
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  First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see the
On My Mac folder. What do I need to do here? Thanks.

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Re: Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

2016-12-12 Thread E.T.

Hi Tim,
   There are some emails I do not need floating in space all the time. 
Maybe its paranoia.


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On 12/12/2016 7:24 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

A reminder that the "On My Mac" is simply a Header for the "On My Mac"
folder.  When you use VO navigation to locate it, it will have an
disclosure triangle for expanding/closing.  When it is closed, you
cannot send anything its way.  When expanded, you need to choose a
folder from within its contents to move/copy items to.  There should be
no issues copying between iMap and folders on your Mac.  I go the other
way all the time.  I much prefer them in the iMap location so that
they're accessible to all my devices using that eMail account.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 12, 2016, at 08:15, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se
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Hi!
Yes it totally hangs the mail app and i had to force quit it.
/A

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<mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>>:

In the mailbox list you must use the VO cursor to find the On My Mac
line. The arrow keys will just skip over that line.

Item chooser will also work, but it is a bit slow. I highly recommend
that you don't try  vo-END on the mailbox list, I found VO hanging
with this command.


Best wishes,

Jonathan




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  First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see
the On My Mac folder. What do I need to do here? Thanks.

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Moving Mailbox to Local Folder

2016-12-11 Thread E.T.
   I have some folders I wish to move to the On My Mac folder. These 
are folders I currently keep on the Windows machine. I moved them into 
an IMAP folder and see them on the Mac.


   First I do not see an option to do this and second, I do not see the 
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Custom Verbosity Settings

2016-12-09 Thread E.T.
   Sierra added the "x of x" in the dock which I find useless. I set 
the verbosity for the dock to low which is fine except now any badges 
are no longer announced. Is there a way to set custom verbosity like 
between low and medium? I suppose I could rely on alerts or banners 
instead in notifications.


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Re Ordering items

2017-01-11 Thread E.T.
   In Audiobook Builder, when I attempt to join some tracks to make 
chapters, they are listed backwards. Instead if 1 2 3 for example I get 
3 2 1. Not sure why this happens. I have tried to figure out how to drag 
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Re: Urgent, urgent Apple Logo appears with a message Installing Progress has not windows sometimes when I turn on My Mac computer!

2017-01-10 Thread E.T.

Traci and all,
   I no longer pay any attention to such messages at login. My system 
seems to run just fine after I am logged in.


   I have a suspicion this anomaly is due to timing of events that take 
place during boot up. In other words, these events are not totally in 
sync and VO may be slightly out of sync and speaking events that are 
already done with.


   I see this occasionally when opening or closing apps or doing other 
tasks and I will hear something like "has no window".


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On 1/10/2017 9:29 AM, Traci Duncan wrote:

Hi all,

I’m late to this discussion and I cannot find all the messages that
belong to it.  I am also getting these odd empty window messages when I
turn on my MacBook Air.  Here are a few of them:
LaterAgent has no windows
nbagent has no windows
Location Menu has no windows

I’ve also got the installer progress window.  What do you think is
causing this behavior?

I may need to go onto the MacVisionaries mail archive list to read the
past responses.  I thought I initially saw 18 messages inside the
thread, but now I only see 2.  I remember some earlier instructions
about holding down a key combination while starting up.

Thank you, for your help,
Traci


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<mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did you try my recomendation of leaving the computer alone for at
least 30 minutes after you see this message?


Best wishes,

Jonathan




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<mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The shift-vo + space command works here. It happens when the log in
screen is left for a while without interaction.

Take care


6. jan. 2017 kl. 12.19 skrev 'Roland Zitzke' via MacVisionaries
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Hi Helga,
without knowing the history of your installation it appears as if
some part of the Sierra upgrade terminated prematurely.
Did you try to download and install all available updates, either
via the Appstore or by opening the terminal and typing:
sudo softwareupdate -i -a
Does this window also get displayed if VO is not running?
/Roland


Am Freitag, 6. Januar 2017 08:57:07 UTC+1 schrieb Helga Schreiber:
Hi Roland. How are you? Regarding  my mac I just use  my  audio with
my computer speakers. Idon't  use a headset wiht  it. I do use
earphones but this issue appears randomly. I also get   A user
 authentication logging in window being announce by voiceover  and
now this installer progress  window message.  I don't know if
erasing the  content of my Mac,  and restoring it  from  a time
machine back up  wil solve the problem. What do you think?  I look
forward in hering form yousoon. Thank you soMuch and God bless!


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Re: Re Ordering items

2017-01-12 Thread E.T.
   Oh thanks Tim. I should have looked at the menus more closely. I 
will send the developer the suggestion to add sorting.


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On 1/12/2017 7:04 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

hi,

The keyboard commands are cmd-ctrl-up and cmd-ctrl-down.  These are also found 
under the AudioBook menu item.  This usually happens when CD's are inputted in 
the incorrect order.  AudioBook Builder doesn't alphabetize or order anything 
on its own, it relies on you inserting the CD's in the correct order yourself.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 11, 2017, at 19:30, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  In Audiobook Builder, when I attempt to join some tracks to make chapters, 
they are listed backwards. Instead if 1 2 3 for example I get 3 2 1. Not sure 
why this happens. I have tried to figure out how to drag them back in order. 
What keystrokes will do this? Thanks.

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Re: Labeling Picture Folder in Photos App

2016-12-03 Thread E.T.
   You have only edited the Voiceover labels. To make this work you 
need to either turn VO off or do it in iTunes.


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On 12/3/2016 10:07 AM, Mauricio Molina wrote:

Hi All,



While working with a friend, I showed this individual the two finger
double tap and hold gesture for the purpose of labeling pictures in the
Photos app. And while all appeared to be working as expected,we labeled
several pictures successfully, It was learned after leaving the current
Photo Album and returning that the newly created labels did not remain.
This was performed on folders as well as individual photos with the same
result every time. Once again, all appeared to be working and I have
been doing this for years on my own device with never a problem. This
individual is using an iPhone 6s with the most recent version of the
iOS. Any ideas as to what the problem might be?



Thanks,



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Voiceover Utility Activities

2016-12-01 Thread E.T.
   Am reminded that I should explore this feature. What are some of the 
things where this might be useful? I realize its a rather generic query 
but its a starting point.


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Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.

2016-12-01 Thread E.T.

Kawal,
   The old method of moving apps requires patience but is still quite 
doable. I still use it from force of habit.


   The new method, which David has described, is even easier once you 
learn the steps.


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On 12/1/2016 1:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

I too Simon can't get the moving of apps to work, never could.  I just have the 
home screen layout in settings sort my apps alphabetically.

Kawal.

On 30 Nov 2016, at 08:48, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi Kawal,

Yeah I find a new guesture every couple of days,
It's crazy but great.

But I still can't get the moving of apps to work correctly.

Mind you I couldn't get the old version to work properly either.

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Hi Simon.

Thanks for the correction.

The problem on my phone is fixed now.  It was the Zoom and I think it drained 
my battery too.  I remember now turning it on thinking nothing would happen.  I 
think I did it when I set up my phone but because of what happened, I turned it 
off.

There are lots of new gestures on the phone which I don't know about.  One day 
I'll sit and read the manual and learn them.

Kawal.

On 29 Nov 2016, at 07:43, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Kawal,

The three finger triple click is curtain on / off,

Three finger double click is mute sound off / on,

I get it wrong sometimes
Could you be missing a tap or something.

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Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.

When I do three finger triple tap, it turns my speech off. So what is going on?

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On 28 Nov 2016, at 8:11 pm, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

Screen curtain is three finger triple tap.
Mary


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On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

Just to clarify Mary screen curtain is Three  finger double tap?   It works 
with my braille display, space for sign chorded.  I can't remember if it worked 
last week as I have just taken notice of it now.  The battery seems OK now 
though.

So if screen curtain works with my braille display then I am doing something 
wrong with my gesture, unless it's changed?



On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

I had that rapid battery drain happened to me last week or the week before. I 
don't exactly know what caused it. I do know that I had used the Best Buy app 
which told me to turn on GPS and then wanted me to activate location services 
for that app so it could put up a geo-fence for my store. I suspected that this 
app was the culprit. So I turned off location services for it and rebooted. The 
faster than normal battery drain happened still. Then I turned on one of my 
blindness GPS apps, used it, turned it off, rebooted, and now my battery drain 
is back to  slow, which is what it should be. Was all that necessary? Was it 
just coincidental having to do with the GPS thing or not? Of course I don't 
know. I have never had a problem with the screen curtain turning on and off.
Mary


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On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

I can't turn screen curtain on the I phone 7 plus.  Is there a problem?  Also I 
charged my battery to 100 % after I made it go flat.  This morning after my 
battery had been 68% it was 30 % and now it's 15 %.  It's the first time it's 
happened and I've had this phone since the 9th of November.

Kawal.

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Re: Voiceover Utility Activities

2016-12-01 Thread E.T.

   Thanks Alex. I am sure I can find something to make an activity for.

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On 12/1/2016 12:20 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Activities let you customize verbosity, speech, commanders, and many other VO 
options based on the current application. You can also hit vo-x to select an 
activity at any time. For instance, some people set things so that an activity 
will enable Quick Nav whenever Safari or Chrome is open, or to raise the 
punctuation level and change formatting announcements when in Pages. I've 
always found activities to make the Mac very slow, but maybe it'll be better on 
this new one. I know of other people who have never had a problem, but of still 
others who run into the same problems I do.

On Dec 1, 2016, at 14:44, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  Am reminded that I should explore this feature. What are some of the things 
where this might be useful? I realize its a rather generic query but its a 
starting point.

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Re: Audible transferring books BookSense

2016-12-02 Thread E.T.

   There is a version for the Mac.

<https://www.audible.com/sw>

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On 12/2/2016 9:08 AM, Traci Duncan wrote:

Hi all,

Is there a way on the Mac, to transfer an Audible book to my BookSense.  I 
tried the simple method of copying and pasting, but my BookSense says I need to 
activate this title with the Audible Manager.  Well, there doesn’t seem to be 
one for the Mac.

Any advice?
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Re: Possibly getting an older Mac

2016-12-05 Thread E.T.

   El Capitan was released last year, Yosemite the year before.

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On 12/5/2016 9:22 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

Since it is running Yosemite, I would get it. Yosemite was released last year, 
so VoiceOver should work fine.

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On 6/12/2016, at 16:56, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:

A lot of this depends on what kind of a Mac it is and how it’s configured.  
What you should have your friend do is go to the apple menu, about this Mac, 
and give you the information contained there as in what kind of Mac it is, what 
kind of processor, how much memory and from there we can answer these questions 
more intelligently.  That’s how I would start.  If you can post that 
information I’d be happy to answer the rest of your questions from there.

Thanks
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On Dec 5, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I joined this list to get some information I am not sure where to get
anywhere else.

A great friend of mine has a Mac laptop. I'm not sure which one, as she
didn't say. I am assuming there are different ones?

She hardly uses it, and has cleaned her stuff off of it. She wants to
give it to me as a gift, because she just really never used it.
She says that it can't be upgraded, and that the battery is bad.
But this part really doesn't concern me all that much. My windows 7
laptop has a useless battery.

But here is where I am concerned.
Even though she is giving it to me as a gift, should I consider
accepting it?

What happens if I can't upgrade it?
It's running Yosemite.

I have wanted a mac for years! But due to how much they unfortunately
cost, my chances of actually ever having one, is rare.

But if I get this Mac from my friend, what could I do with it?
If it can't be upgraded, won't most Apps no longer work?
Also, what sorts of things can I do with the mac?
What kinds of programs can I put on to it?

And last but not least, if I've never used one before, how do I even
begin to learn how to do this?

I have an Iphone 5S, and an Ipad mini4th Generation.
But I would imagine that the mac works way differently from those. And I
know without a doubt it's way different from my laptop running windows.

If anyone could give me any thoughts, or suggestions, I would more than
appreciate it.
Also, any sites that might be helpful to know about, will also be
appreciated.
I go to get the mac, if I want it, this Saturday.

Thank you,

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Re: an Enhancement request that i have sent to apple,sinking voiceover settings between Devices

2016-11-30 Thread E.T.
   In simple terms, add Dictionary to iCloud. Why not. But not global 
Voiceover settings. I actually would prefer to have different settings 
on my devices.


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On 11/30/2016 4:21 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

hey all,
I have had this idea floating floating around my head for a couple of weeks and 
i wanted to share the idea that I have sent to Apple because your thoughts 
would be very interesting.
I don't know how many of you will be enthusiastic about this but I think it 
warrants serious investigation.
Here is the message i sent to Apple accessibility.

hello,
This is an idea that I have been sitting on for a couple of weeks now and i 
wanted to put it out there.
I would like to see apple give genuine consideration to implementing the 
ability for users of voiceover to optionally sync settings between Devices 
using iCloud.
This could be incredibly beneficial in terms of things like Dictionary 
pronunciations which can be given an extra option of making the announcement 
change local or for all devices.
this idea would also be extremely useful because if you sign in using a new 
device you could have a prompt when voiceover first starts to import your 
settings from the cloud.
I believe this is a very important idea that could smooth the road even further 
for blind users of multiple devices using voiceover.


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Re: Fusion not passing keyboard to Windows?

2016-12-02 Thread E.T.
   Command G to pass control to Windows. Command control to pass 
control back to the Mac. Use full screen too, works better.


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On 12/2/2016 7:30 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
In Fusion's settings, it says that command-control will pass the
keyboard from host to guest and back again. However, I can't get that to
work at all. I have to go full screen, then click the trackpad and hope
I'm not clicking anything important in Windows. Only then will the
keyboard start to control Windows instead of the Mac. Any idea why the
hotkey isn't working as it should, and how I might fix it? Thanks for
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Re: Fusion not passing keyboard to Windows?

2016-12-02 Thread E.T.

Alex,
   If you press Command G the first time, its active. Press it again 
and you will hear that sound. So press Command Control and then Command 
G again. You will not hear that sound.


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On 12/2/2016 9:26 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

I just get the standard Mac error sound when I try ctrl-g or cmd-g, and
Windows doesn't get the keyboard.

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On Dec 2, 2016, at 10:33, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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  Command G to pass control to Windows. Command control to pass
control back to the Mac. Use full screen too, works better.

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Hi all,
In Fusion's settings, it says that command-control will pass the
keyboard from host to guest and back again. However, I can't get that to
work at all. I have to go full screen, then click the trackpad and hope
I'm not clicking anything important in Windows. Only then will the
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any help.

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Re: Diskmaker X

2017-01-05 Thread E.T.
   Thanks Chris. This app had been mentioned before but since I 
expected Diskmaker X would be fixed I did not make a note if it. This is 
a nice one, simpler too and in progress at the moment.


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On 1/5/2017 12:57 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

No need to. Download the free mac application called Install Disk Creator. It 
is totally accessible.

On 4 Jan 2017, at 23:55, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

  Since Sierra, this developer was not able to get the app to work correctly so 
I used Terminal to create the installer disk. Interesting to note that the 
developer's site is gone. Maybe temporary but who knows. Was a nice app when it 
worked.

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Numbers Budget

2016-12-30 Thread E.T.
   I need to do a quick and dirty budget pretty quickly in Numbers. I 
have not used this app yet so its new to me. I am looking at a couple of 
the supplied templates.


   I would like to work with someone who can help me get up to speed 
quickly. Would you email me off list please? Thanks much.


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Re: My 10 Favorite iOS Apps of 2016

2016-12-30 Thread E.T.

Mark,
   Nice way to wrap up the old year. How do those banking iOS apps 
compare to access via the web? This may be what I should work on in the 
new year.


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On 12/30/2016 12:28 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Everyone,

As the end of the year approaches, I thought I would share with you my
favorite iOS apps as of 2016.

First, keep in mind that I use all of the apps, listed below, via VoiceOver.

Second, let me say that my most absolutely favorite apps are those of my
banking institutions.  For security reasons, I will not list them here but
suffice it to say that they afford me an independence which I would never
have dreamed possible even a few short years ago.  I like them so much so
that I conduct virtually all of my financial business via iOS.

Third, I do not like, nore do I use subscription-based apps so none are
listed here.

Fourth, I will not list the native iOS apps, save two, because we all have
instant access to them and, no doubt, have various opinions that will not be
swayed one way or the other by public comment.

The two native iOS apps that I have come to rely on a great deal are:
1.
The Maps app.  This app has gotten better and better with each passing year
so much so that it has freed me from the subscription-based A T & T
Navigator app, which, for many years, was a must-have for me.  I use this
app not only to facilitate vehicle navigation but also as a business
telephone number and address lookup directory.

And
2.
The native iOS Wallet app with Apple Pay.  This iOS feature has truly
revolutionized my purchasing experience; if you have not yet done so, by all
means, give it a try.

Okay, on to my 10 favorite third-party iOS apps which are listed in no
particular order, almost (smile).

1.
The official Twitter app.  Hands-down, this is my favorite app of all time.
It's informative, fast and easy to use, fun, and allows me to participate in
the global conversation.  In fact, just the other day, the Wendy's
restaurant chain posted one of my tweets to their page.

2.
The CVS Pharmacy app.  This app has greatly reduced the amount of time it
takes me to order/refill my prescriptions.  It also has a wonderful reminder
feature for those who need help remembering when to take their meds.

3.
The TV Guide Mobile app.  Simply stated, with over 400 cable channels to
choose from, I don't know how I would manage my television viewing without
this marvelous tool that allows me to quickly and easily find what I want
when I want it.  The best part is that it provides episode descriptions.
This is great when watching a marathon as I can determine which episodes I
want to see, hour-by-hour.

4.
The Over Drive app.  As surprising as it may seem, recently I have been
using this app on a daily basis in order to enjoy commercially available
audiobooks.  While the BARD/NLS app will always remain a must-have resource,
I find that it's easier to find more recently produced titles via Over
Drive.  I strongly suggest that you become a member of as many public
library systems as possible in order to maximize the number of available
titles ready for download.  For example, I currently have three library
cards.  I belong to two local city library systems and one local county
library system.

5.
Seeing Eye GPS XT and Nearby Explorer.  I use the iOS native Maps apps for
vehicle navigation and business lookup but when traveling alone, my go to
apps are both Seeing Eye and Nearby Explorer.

6.
The Downcast podcast player.  Again, a must-have app, in my opinion.

7.
The Nant Mobile Money Reader app.

8.
The Digit Eyes apps remains a true and trusted resource for me.

9.
The OO Tunes radio tuner.  I love this app-especially during baseball season
(smile).

10.
Both the CapitalOne Mobile app and the CapitalOne Wallet app.  I am truly
amazed at the progress CapitalOne has made in 2016 in, as of this writing,
making their products 100% VoiceOver accessible.

Well, there you have it.

I hope you find this, if not useful, then at least intertaining (smile).
Please reply with your favorite iOS apps of 2016, okay?

A Happy and blessed New Year to you all and may 2017 be the most accessible
year ever.

Mark



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Re: dropbox

2017-01-03 Thread E.T.
   If Dropbox is in the applications folder, open it and when she is 
prompted to sign in, there may be a forgot your password link.


   Otherwise, download and install it then see if the above will work.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 1/2/2017 11:11 PM, Gabe Griffith wrote:

Hi all,

I was trying to help a friend this afternoon with uploading something to her 
dropbox. She doesn't remember having ever set up a dropbox account and password 
but there is a dropbox folder on her computer but dropbox doesn't show up in 
her menu extras where mine shows the status of uploads. It lets her copy and 
paste a file to the dropbox folder but when we did a VO shift m there is no 
option to copy a dropbox link like mine has, we even tried pasting in to the 
public folder because it also looks like she has a version from September 2016 
and my version shows as being from December 2016.

So I finally get to my question. Does anyone know the best way of going about 
having her download and install the latest version of DB?

Thanks,

Gabe




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Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

2017-01-03 Thread E.T.
   No no Chris, you are the one who needs to ditch the attitude. Go 
have a discussion with Dr. Phil and ferret out all the issues that are 
buried deep within your psyche.


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On 1/2/2017 10:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Sorry Scott.


I didn't mean to spread bad info. BTW, since you are the God of Verizon,
and since you know everything about them and apparently work with them,
how bout your badge rep ID number? Or, are you not prideful enough to
give such info. This should be nothing you're nor any other Verizon God
would be unwilling to provide, so what is it, Hare Crishna? Do I need to
do a Puja to get Shiva to destroy your attitude toward me? There are 108
reasons why I'd stop now, Scott, while you can.


Chris.



On 1/3/2017 12:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Chris please stop, you’re spreading bad information.

Verizon does not sell locked handsets (full stop).  Any handsets
manufactured for and sold by or on behalf of verizon are unlocked.

There is also a true unlocked iPhone sold separately that has the
Qualcomm chip and speaks verizon and Sprint but a phone sold from
verizon will not be any technically different from the unlocked phone,
they ship unlocked out of the box.



On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

OK, Ron, but, she might not be buying a locked version of the phone.
She might be specifically getting a Verizon locked handset, at which
point, what Mary is saying would be correct.

Chris.


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*Subject:* Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

this is not true if you get an unlocked Iphone you can use it on any
carrier that you want.

On 11/27/2016 12:57 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Regarding AT versus Verizon and coverage, you really need to
check your specific area. WhileVerizon has the broadest overall
coverage nationwide, that doesn't mean it's the best in your
particular area. In other words, you should have a sighted person
whom you trust look at coverage maps, and also be sure that once
you get your phone, if the coverage proves unsatisfactory, you have
a period of time where you can return the phone and get out of your
contract with absolutely no penalty to you. You won't be able to
use that same phone on AT, because the modem in the Verizon
iPhone 7 is different from the modem in the AT and T-Mobile iPhone 7.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com
<mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi,
I'm buying a 7+ jet black 128 gig phone this week and I am going
to switch carriers from AT to Verizon. My questions are these:
is Verizon wireless at least it's good if not better than AT as
far as coverage goes? I get spotty coverage with AT in certain
important places like the gym, and even one bar at my house. I'm
hoping Verizon will get better coverage. By switching to a 1 GB
data plan with Verizon, (I rarely use more than half a gig each
month), I'll actually save 10 bucks off my monthly charge for the
new phone and the new plan. What are the advantages to Verizon
over AT ? is it just a superior network overall? Thanks for any help
By the way, I selected jet black because, with the phone in hand,
I noticed that the finish is more "grippy" then the other
finishes, And doesn't slip out of my hands so easily.


Sent from my IPhone

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