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Re: Scanning & ocr options?

2023-08-07 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

Actually, it would be interesting to know whether you could use an
iPhone or iPad as the camera.

All of the documents I need to process are PDF files anyway, except for
what arrives in the mail, and I use an iPhone for that.

To answer the question, I would expect both scanners and cameras to be
supported.

On 7/8/23 11:59, Traci Duncan wrote:
To add to this question, do you guys use a scanner or document camera?
What works well with the Mac?

Thank you,
Traci

On Aug 6, 2023, at 9:16 AM, Brandon Olivares
wrote:

ABBYY FineReader is what I use and it works quite well. Very easy to use.

On Aug 6, 2023, at 7:02 AM, 'jason' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

The option frequently mentioned is ABBYY FineReader for Mac. I
haven’t used it, and there may be alternatives now.
I have used the Windows version (a former colleague arranged for my
then workplace to acquire it, which is how I was introduced to it).
The document format recognition is very good, as is the OCR
accuracy. I used it mostly to process PDF files containing images of
printed pages.

*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
on behalf of Traci Duncan

*Date:*Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 15:27
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:*Scanning & ocr options?

Hi all, I don’t know much about full scanning OCR options. I was
just reading a bit about pearl and open book from Jaws. Does the Mac
have solutions like that? One main thing I want is the ability to
know if my reading material is right side up. I also like the idea
of the layout of the page remaining intact. Tables, columns, etc.
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Re: Thunderbird for Mac

2023-08-06 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 6/8/23 09:55, Nebojsa Tasic wrote:


Which Linux and screen reader do you use?



Arch Linux with the Orca screen reader.

This is on an x86 laptop, not the Mac. I could probably run it on the 
Mac if I wanted to set up ARM64 Linux in a virtual machine. However, I 
don't think it would be worth the effort of trying to get audio and 
braille display support working reliably in that environment. The MacOS 
shell prompt is similar enough to Linux that I'm comfortable there anyway.


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Re: Editing PDF's with Voiceover

2023-08-04 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




> On Aug 4, 2023, at 08:27, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Ok, all I’m really wanting to do at this point, is correct the spelling 
> errors I’m constantly finding in these PDF’s I’m sent, a perfect example I’m 
> always finding is the I is always left out of the word “financial,” so 
> Voiceover will always pronounce it “financal”. 
This probably isn’t a spelling error in the PDF file at all. The most likely 
cause is that the “fi” ligature is being used in the typeset text, and the PDF 
isn’t properly accessible, so your screen reader isn’t
 Receiving the correct characters, even though both “f” and “I” are present in 
the text as shown on screen or printed.
You could convert the PDF file to text and then edit, I suppose. Editing the 
original PDF wouldn’t help, as it’s most likely correct as is.

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Re: Upcoming macOS Safari not responding?

2023-07-30 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries



On 30/7/23 13:15, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Maybe a little. But the best way to fix that as much as possible is to 
get an M1 or later Mac.



That largely fixed it for me, indeed.

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Re: Comments/corrections accepted on my answer to a question about writing AT scripts and accessible apps for MacOS

2023-07-13 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

Note that, at least in my experience, Mac OS applications have a greater 
tendency to use the operating system-provided user interface widgets 
than is the case in other operating systems, thus the screen reader 
accessibility tends to come by default. Of course, Apple's accessibility 
API is documented and should be used appropriately. There are also 
accessibility testing features in Apple's development tools, as 
discussed at WWDC this year - presentation available online.


I should qualify my statements here: my technicl knowledge, such as it 
is, lies more in Linux than in Mac OS or Windows. I prefer UNIX-like 
operating systems in general.


On 13/7/23 09:41, Doug Lee wrote:

I received an inquiry this morning asking about writing assistive technology 
scripts and/or more accessible
apps for MacOS. I wrote the following rather involved response, as more of an 
expert in Windows than in Mac
spaces; so I welcome corrections or comments here, and told my contact I would 
do so.

=

I actually consider your question to amount to two questions:
1. Is it harder to write AT scripts under MacOS than on Windows? and
2. Is it harder to write an accessible app on MacOS than on Windows?

I do consider it much harder to do assistive technology (AT) scripting for Mac 
than for Windows, but the
reasons are complicated and subject to inaccuracy because that's not my area of 
best expertise. That said,
I'll tell you what I can. Same for the second question, which I'll tackle after 
the first.

1. AT scripting on MacOS vs Windows:

On Windows, AT scripting is accomplished within each screen reader, where it is 
possible anyway:
* For JAWS, it's JAWS scripting.
* For NVDA, it's add-ons in Python.
* For Narrator, I don't know of anything possible yet - though I was told years 
ago this would happen.
The ease of learning how to do AT scripting, then, depends on the screen 
reader. NVDA and JAWS vary in how
and how much they document how to do this, but both do provide significant 
documentation.

There is sort of an alternative to all that, which is making individual apps 
"self-voicing." RS Games and
QC, an alternative gaming platform, are examples of this. In general this is 
often frowned upon though,
because it leaves all the major interface choices to the AT developer more than 
to the individual user.

On MacOS, we mostly just have one screen reader - VoiceOver. For specific 
spaces, there are alternatives;
example, YASR or TDSR for terminal windows. I'll gloss past those for 
simplicity now though, because they
are only meant to cover the unique challenges of terminal interaction.

Apple does appear to provide some tools/interfaces that could be used for AT 
scripting. There's the
Accessible Events system, which has a switch that you must turn on if you want 
apps to have such permission
if I recall correctly. There are APIs in the Apple libs for accessibility, 
though I've never known much
about them. I once saw a fascinating project proving this much though: A "file 
system" made out of
accessibility information, where you could cd to a control in a running app and 
write to a file to press
buttons etc. (This used the Fuse layer, if you've heard of that.) But unless I 
missed something,
documentation of such interfaces has never been particularly easy to find.

So the biggest reason I say it seems harder to do AT scripting on MacOS is that 
it seems much harder to
figure out what can be done and how to do it. My second reason is that I 
suspect, but can't yet prove, that
less is actually possible at least without doing things that Apple does not 
want non-Apple folks to do.

But I have a third reason: I suspect, but again can't currently prove, that the 
availability of such options
is, on MacOS as it is on Windows, going to depend on the specific app of 
interest. I further suspect that,
on MacOS, there will be less available in the best of circumstances for an AT 
developer than on Windows. It
is hard to know what can be done if nobody knows how to try, so I expect there 
is far less testing of the
possibilities on MacOS than on Windows at this time. Take Qt apps for example: 
TeamTalk, TeamSpeak, and
probably other apps' developers have sometimes worked with the developers of 
the Qt framework to improve the
accessibility of apps developed using that framework on Windows; but I hear 
zero chatter out there about
MacOS app developers working with Qt framework devs to improve framework-level 
accessibility for Macs. Again
this is mostly speculation, but reasoned I think.

2. Accessible app writing on MacOS vs Windows:

There is one actual advantage of the merkiness of AT scripting on MacOS I 
suppose: End users are, for the
most part, required to work with app developers, not AT folk, to get problems 
fixed. Between this and the
uniformity of the MacOS environment, owing of course to its "walled garden" 
nature, any results tend to be
universal and not limited to specific circumstances, such as which

Re: mac apps

2023-07-10 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 9/7/23 23:00, Lorie McCloud wrote:

is there a place where the mac apps are stored that you’ve bought or downloaded?
The App Store should show you which applications you've downloaded, and 
offer an opportunity to download them again.


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Re: Reinstalling the operating system accessibly

2023-07-07 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 6/7/23 13:50, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
I believe with Ventura and newer, there is a option in the finder to 
erase all information in the data partition. This would be essentially 
like puttting your Mac back into factory state.


Also, on recent releases, the system volume is read-only, unless you 
turn off the system integrity protection (not a good idea).


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Re: Reinstalling the operating system accessibly

2023-07-04 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 4/7/23 18:27, Steve Matzura wrote:

Apple has a fine article on how to do this on an M1 or M2 Mac at:


https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/macos-recovery-a-mac-apple-silicon-mchl82829c17/mac 




, but the first thing you have to do is click a CONTINUE button you 
can't possibly do accessibly.
If I remember correctly, even the boot menu on an Apple Silicon Mac is 
accessible with VoiceOver, so the button you're referring to may indeed 
be accessible.


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Re: Focus 40 strange navigating issue.

2023-07-04 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 4/7/23 05:51, Anders Holmberg wrote:

I don’t know if I can update the firmware via my Mac or if I have to have 
windows for that.
If the later then I have to try to find some windows computer as I don’t have 
one.
Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge, it does require a Windows 
machine. That's ridiculous nowadays, of course.


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Re: SOLVED Re: Trouble with Downloads folder and com.apple.macl attribute

2023-07-04 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 4/7/23 14:13, Doug Lee wrote:

I missed the solution by googling for a fix to file system access rather than 
for a fix to ssh access to the
file system. There is a "Allow full disk access" checkbox in the pane for "Remote 
Login," which is ssh, in
System Preferences > Sharing. That wasn't there last time I looked, which was 
probably a while ago.

This makes sense. Mac OS has tightened the security of applications in 
recent releases, and it isn't achieved by the standard UNIX permissions.


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Re: Trouble with Downloads folder and com.apple.macl attribute

2023-07-04 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 4/7/23 12:00, Doug Lee wrote:

At some point in the last few weeks, my ~/Downloads folder became unreadable 
even by root:

Mini 1# ls Downloads
ls: Downloads: Operation not permitted


Is it a local directory, not hosted on iCloud or elsewhere? I would 
suggest confirming. If it's hosted remotely, then check your access to 
the file storage (e.g., that you're logged in).


If the files are stored locally, then I suspect file system corruption. 
Can you run a file system check (initially without repairing anything)?


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Re: Capslock in Linux

2023-04-29 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

> On Apr 29, 2023, at 00:49, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of a way to issue the Capslock key in a Linux OS when 
> running Parallels on a silicon Mac?  

No, I always run Orca directly on hardware, not virtualized. Your desktop 
environment of choice may have options to remap keys. If you’re using an X 
session, there is, if I remember correctly, a configuration file you can 
create. I would suggest doing some Web searches.
The solution is almost certainly in the operating system, not in a third-party 
tool that you load.

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Re: Question re old iPhone battery

2023-04-28 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

> On Apr 28, 2023, at 12:52, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> So I’m wondering if the battery percentage is incorrect.  Anyone know if 
> there’s a way to test this, and if I’m right, to recalibrate it?

Have you tried completely charging it, then completely discharging the battery 
for a couple of cycles? This might improve the measurements.

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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

2023-04-26 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 26/4/23 09:13, Jessica Moss wrote:

To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels is.


Reports that I've read suggest that its configuration process is not 
accessible. However, VMWare is active in accessibility, so I would 
suggest checking their offerings for the ARM-based Mac hardware.


I don't plan to run Windows on my Mac, so I haven't investigated the 
details. Everything I care about that I might run under Windows has a 
Mac OS version with working accessibility.


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Re: Be My Eyes AI App

2023-04-25 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

The only demonstration I’ve heard is that published on Jonathan Mosen’s 
podcast, which is significantly better than anything you’ll find in the media.
https://www.livingblindfully.com/episode-222-a-comprehensive-demonstration-of-the-be-my-eyes-virtual-volunteer-and-chat-gpt-pontificates-on-the-pros-and-cons-of-being-blind/

On Apr 25, 2023, at 09:20, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> It was on 60 minutes on Sunday using the  Alex voice.
> 
> The guy was using the speech very fast. They had to slow it down for the 
> general audience.
> 
> 
> 
> Mary Ward
> 
> On Apr 25, 2023, at 7:30 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 24/4/23 21:00, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>   Is anyone here beta testing this new app? I heard the speech output and 
>> wonder if there will be an option to slow the speech rate down.
>> 
> Based on what I've heard, it can use VoiceOver for speech output.
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Re: Be My Eyes AI App

2023-04-25 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 24/4/23 21:00, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
   Is anyone here beta testing this new app? I heard the speech output 
and wonder if there will be an option to slow the speech rate down.



Based on what I've heard, it can use VoiceOver for speech output.

I'm on the waiting list for it, as I have an interest in the 
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

2023-01-26 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 12:10, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Sure, but it still remains that VO is less responsive lately.
Not for me - it has been consistently responsive since I bought the 14-inch 
MacBook Pro.

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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

2023-01-26 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 26/1/23 10:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I agree about the VO keys.  Many things on the Mac require the use of several 
keys at once that on Windows can be accomplished with just one or two keys.


An advantage of this, however, is that it avoids conflicts between keys 
used by the screen reader and those used by the application, so you 
don't have to deal with pass-through commands very often.


Of course, as others have noted in this discussion, you can use capslock 
as the VoiceOver modifier (this is now the default, if I remember 
rightly), as well as Quick Nav. You can enable additional keystrokes for 
Quick Nav that expand the navigation commands available in VoiceOver, 
for example in Web browsers.


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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

2023-01-26 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 26/1/23 07:27, Bill Gallik wrote:

Furthermore, unless someone is using both MacOS with VoiceOver and MS-Windows 
with JAWS (or an alternative screen reader) what would be the basis of 
comparison anyway?


Chrome OS and Linux users would have additional bases of comparison.

I'm in the latter category, with Linux, Mac OS and Windows installed 
across two machines here.


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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

2023-01-26 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 25/1/23 12:56, Tibor Niesner wrote:

what do you think about the accessibility on Mac OS?
Do you think accessibility is worse and worse? Or what do you see it?
I think that Mac OS is usable with VoiceOver. Because people say that 
accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver is worse and worse.


I haven't noticed a decline, and I've been using it since 2014.

The introduction of applications ported from iOS has complicated the 
user interface somewhat, at least with VoiceOver, but they tend to be 
fairly accessible - at least for Apple-provided software.


I think there's considerable room for improvement that may come 
gradually as older code in the system is superseded.


Safari has a reputation for not having implemented Web standards to the 
same extent as Chromium-based browsers and Mozilla, so I'm not surprised 
there are issues with some modern Web sites. This isn't an accessibility 
problem specifically, as far as I know.


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Re: M1 MacBook question.

2023-01-24 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 24/1/23 19:22, Jessica Moss wrote:

I was told the M1 MacBook Air actually has a better processor than the MacBook 
Pro, even though it has less ram, supposedly that wouldn’t make a huge 
difference.
   Is this correct?


No, the M1 Pro and M1 Max processors in the 2021 MacBook Pro are better 
than the M2 processor in the MacBook Air.


The recently released M2 Pro and M2 Max processors in the latest MacBook 
Pro are even better, however. See appleinsider.com for discussion.


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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

2023-01-18 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

On the phone, I generally use dictation to enter text messages, or sometimes 
the touch screen. I could also use a braille display for text entry, but I tend 
to use my braille display with my computers rather than with the phone.
At home, I often simply open the Messages app on the Mac and type the text 
there, instead of using the phone itself.

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 01:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
> sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
> hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
> so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
> keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
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Re: Installer in Progress

2023-01-16 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

For clarification: mine is an Apple Silicon Mac (M1 Pro).
Apparently, the boot process was reworked with the introduction of Apple 
Silicon.

> On Jan 16, 2023, at 11:26, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 16/1/23 09:42, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>This happened in Monterey and started doing it in Ventura.
>> 
>>When I first boot up, Voiceover announces "installer in progress" then 
>> "authentication". I have to double click the mouse to get focus on the 
>> password. Is there a fix for this? Thanks.
>> 
> I've never encountered this issue, so the interesting question is why you're 
> experiencing it and I'm not.
> 
> I've had File Vault enabled for a while, but all was fine even before that. 
> When my machine is booted, focus goes straight to the password prompt.
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Re: Installer in Progress

2023-01-16 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 16/1/23 09:42, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:

   This happened in Monterey and started doing it in Ventura.

   When I first boot up, Voiceover announces "installer in progress" 
then "authentication". I have to double click the mouse to get focus 
on the password. Is there a fix for this? Thanks.


I've never encountered this issue, so the interesting question is why 
you're experiencing it and I'm not.


I've had File Vault enabled for a while, but all was fine even before 
that. When my machine is booted, focus goes straight to the password prompt.


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Re: Transferring files from Time Machine to a new Mac

2023-01-07 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 8/1/23 10:57, Kathryn Zodrow wrote:

I know the new Mac has a USB C port and my older Mac just has a regular USB 
port that I use to plug in my backup disk for time machine. Should I get a USB 
to USB C adapter for the backup disk before I transfer over files or back 
everything up wirelessly?


I bought a couple of USB-C to USB-A adapters with my 14-inch MacBook Pro.

If you have devices that need USB type A, then buying as many adapters 
as you think you'll need would be prudent.


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Re: Jump to Top of Web Page

2023-01-07 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 7/1/23 08:40, Dave Carlson wrote:
That seems to only jump to the beginning of the current line. I need a 
way to get to the very top of the web page from anywhere I am.
Try VO-Command-Home (on a laptop keyboard, 
Ctrl-Option-Fn-Command-Left-Arrow), which takes you to the top of the 
window, and move to the Web content from there.


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Re: Mac newbie curious about app recommendations

2023-01-04 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 5/1/23 09:26, Marlene Kramer wrote:

are there recommended apps from the Mac store for the MacBook Air with which I 
may not be familiar having come over from iOS?


It very much depends on what you want to do. Perhaps a visit to 
applevis.com and a look at their reviews of Mac apps would be in order.


Also, it is possible to install applications from outside the Mac App 
Store, if needed.


Finally, ensuring that you're familiar with the applications included in 
Mac OS by default would be a good idea, in case they already provide 
most of what you need.


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Re: iOS apps on my m1 Mac?

2023-01-03 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 4/1/23 08:43, Anders Holmberg wrote:

I think we have discussed this but I can not find it.
How do one transfer apps from Ipad to the Mac so I can try using them on my Mac?


There's a category for them in the Mac App Store. You need to download 
the iOS/iPadOS applications from there. This is all well covered in 
published articles that you can find via your preferred Web search engine.



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Re: Media Volume?

2023-01-02 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries



On 3/1/23 13:41, Fazil M. wrote:

Can I control media volume independent of Voiceover volume?

If yes, how can it be done, please?


You can set the system volume to be appropriate for media listening, 
then reduce the VoiceOver volume to less than 100%.


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Re: Erasing drive formatted for Windows

2022-12-23 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 24/12/22 08:04, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi again.  What format do I need for erasing a hard disc to use on the Mac?  It 
is currently formatted for Windows, which means I can’t write to it.

For a modern Mac, the recommended format is Apple File System (APFS).

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Re: Not Responding Message

2022-12-22 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

I forgot to add that I've rarely encountered this issue on my 14-inch 
MacBook Pro (and those instances that I do experience are due to Web 
pages loading and other reasonable causes). If it were happening to me, 
I'd be lodging the support case.



On 23/12/22 17:38, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:


On 23/12/22 16:27, Bill Gallik wrote:
I’m having a significant problem with some apps giving me a “… Not 
Responding” message.  In particular, the native mail app on my Mac 
Mini is driving me nuts with this.  If this were only happening with 
network accessing apps I might be inclined to reset my wireless 
modem, but strictly local apps (i.e., Checkbook Pro among others) 
manifest this most annoying behavior as well.  And, I never get such 
results from my iOS devices.


Try visiting applevis.com, where you'll find thread upon thread of 
complaints about "not responding" (previously "busy") problems with 
VoiceOver for Mac, year after year, and with no resolution.


The best you can do is probably lodge a support case with Apple.



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Re: Not Responding Message

2022-12-22 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 23/12/22 16:27, Bill Gallik wrote:

I’m having a significant problem with some apps giving me a “… Not Responding” 
message.  In particular, the native mail app on my Mac Mini is driving me nuts 
with this.  If this were only happening with network accessing apps I might be 
inclined to reset my wireless modem, but strictly local apps (i.e., Checkbook 
Pro among others) manifest this most annoying behavior as well.  And, I never 
get such results from my iOS devices.


Try visiting applevis.com, where you'll find thread upon thread of 
complaints about "not responding" (previously "busy") problems with 
VoiceOver for Mac, year after year, and with no resolution.


The best you can do is probably lodge a support case with Apple.

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Re: VO not reading that is displayed

2022-12-20 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

> On Dec 21, 2022, at 14:37, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> this is interesting. Firstly how would I do this and secondly what would I 
> loose by doing this?
https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT204436

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Re: VO not reading that is displayed

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On 21/12/22 10:48, Agent086b wrote:

I needed to add FN key to your command and indeed it gives me exactly what I 
wanted.
If you configure the system to treat the function keys as F1-F12 rather 
than as special operations, you won't need to press Fn.


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Re: VO not reading that is displayed

2022-12-20 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

> On Dec 21, 2022, at 09:32, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> I have my Mac set to display 24hr time on the menu bar.
> When I press option + T to get the time VO reads AM or Pm time. Why is this 
> and can I have VO read time the way I want it? I have only noticed this with 
> my new computer.

Try using Ctrl-Option-F7 to obtain the time and date. This is new in Mac OS 
Ventura. I suspect it will give you the desired time format.

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Re: System Nagging Me for Password?

2022-12-19 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries



On 19/12/22 15:05, Fazil M. wrote:
I have three email accounts configured in Mac. I have forgotten the 
password of one of these three accounts.


In my iPhone, that account is working just fine because it has the 
account correct password.



If passwords are properly synchronized with iCloud Keychain, the correct 
password should be available on the Mac also, and automatically.


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Re: Dictating and sending messages in iOS 16

2022-12-18 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 19/12/22 08:21, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I’ve seen the problem you’re talking about, too.  It’s very strange.  Sometimes 
dictation doesn’t stop, sometimes it stops and the message sends, and sometimes 
it behaves correctly, which is why I wondered if it was a bug.
What happens if you use a two-finger double-tap gesture to end 
dictation, instead of the button?


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Re: R.I.P Tim Kilburn

2022-12-17 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

I only knew him via the list, and he was regularly helping other
participants with their Mac issues.

Condolences are expressed to his family. He will be greatly missed.

On 18/12/22 10:04, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries wrote:
Wow. That's unexpected news. I remember he was one of the people that
helped me learn my first Mac back in 2010/2011 when I first joined
this group. He will be greatly missed. R.I.P.

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Hi all,

In case anyone else is interested, I found a go fund me page that is
raising funds to support Tim’s family. You can also contact his
daughter-in-law through that page.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/supporting-tim-kilburn
Best,
Donna

On Dec 16, 2022, at 5:52 PM, Kliph
wrote:

It is with a heavy heart that I inform all of you that our good
Friend Tim Kilburn lost his battle with glioblastoma this past
wednesday. He was a great co worker, he knew his apple products,
and if he didn’t know it, then it hadn’t been invented yet. We
worked on a lot of projects over the years. He taught me a lot, and
he will be missed greatly! Here at SturItUp, TTJTech.biz
, and MacForTheBlind we send our condolences
to his wife and Children. John Matt and I had great times with Tim,
he had a one of a kind since of humor. So again Tim, rest in
Peace, and we will see you on the other side. Your life time Student.

Kliph!

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Re: Opening collapsed messages in Mail

2022-12-17 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 18/12/22 08:55, Herbie Allen wrote:

It is just you as I’m able to use Right Aero.

It's the same for me, and I've never experienced this issue.

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Re: Looking for a File that I am editing?

2022-12-15 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries



> On Dec 16, 2022, at 11:53, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> I heard that Mac saves files automatically.
> Well I am editing a  file in Text Edit.
> I switched to mail, got an attachment and saved it.
> It was a text file and I wanted to copy some text from this attachment in 
> order to paste it in the file I am editing/typing. I did not save the file I 
> am editing but I am not finding it. 
I don’t use Text edit, but I just gave it a quick test, and it prompts to save 
or delete the file if I exit the editor without saving. (“Save”, “delete”, 
“Cancel”).

That should be clear enough.

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Re: speech to text

2022-12-14 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/mac-help/mchldd11f4fd/mac

> On Dec 15, 2022, at 09:55, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> where is it? is it Mac or ios?
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2022, at 4:52 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> On 15/12/22 08:10, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>> is there an app or program for turning speech into text? seems like 
>>> dictation would work except that usually you speak into that and I want to 
>>> convert a recording of speech.
>> 
>> There's a "live text" feature that can transcribe from any audio playing on 
>> the device.
>> 
>> I don't know how accessible it is from VoiceOver or whether the transcripts 
>> can be saved anywhere.
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Re: speech to text

2022-12-14 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 15/12/22 08:10, Lorie McCloud wrote:

is there an app or program for turning speech into text? seems like dictation 
would work except that usually you speak into that and I want to convert a 
recording of speech.


There's a "live text" feature that can transcribe from any audio playing 
on the device.


I don't know how accessible it is from VoiceOver or whether the 
transcripts can be saved anywhere.


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Re: copy and paste

2022-12-12 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 13/12/22 09:29, Lorie McCloud wrote:

what is the copy command?


https://www.macworld.com/article/350436/macos-terminal-utilities-command-line-files-directories-folders-quick-look.html


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Re: copy and paste

2022-12-12 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 13/12/22 08:41, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I’ve got an sd card in my Mac and I’m trying to paste some files to it. I press 
command-C to copy and then when I pop over into the correct window I press 
command-V to paste. I get a “ding” instead of the usual notice from vo that the 
file has been pasted. what could cause this?


Have you tried using the cp command instead?


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Re: Hey Siri in Mac?

2022-12-10 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

The Apple Silicon devices definitely support it.

> On Dec 11, 2022, at 14:41, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Isee! Sorry, I have MacbookPro2017.
> Thanks!
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2022 6:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Hey Siri in Mac?
>  
> It just occurred to me, what Mac do you have? I remember I think only the 
> ones with the t2 chip support Hey Siri so anything older than 2019 will not 
> support that feature. If yours does, you would see it once you interact with 
> the scroll area.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2022, at 18:09, Fazil M. > > wrote:
>>  
>> Thanks much! 
>> Sorry, in System Settings, I found Siri & Spot-light only,  nothing about 
>> Hey Siri. Was I doing something wrong?
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> > > On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2022 3:44 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Hey Siri in Mac?
>>  
>> Siri in System Settings.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2022, at 17:26, Fazil M. >> > wrote:
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>>> Hi, Group.
>>> Is ‘Hey Siri’ available in Mac?
>>> If yes, how can it be activated, please?
>>> Thanks!
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Re: Character Mode in Texts

2022-12-09 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

> On Dec 10, 2022, at 07:08, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   When in Character Mode while reading a text, I hear what sounds like "cap 
> l" even on lower case letters. Can I change this behavior? Thanks.
Have you tried setting VoiceOver to change pitch for capital letters?

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Re: First Character Recognition in Lists

2022-12-09 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries


Write a bug report. Maybe Apple will fix it.

On 9/12/22 23:02, Bill Gallik wrote:

I’m having an issue navigating a list wherein I want to move into the list by 
typing the first character of list items so as to quickly move down into that 
part of said list.  As I’ve mentioned in prior e-mailings, I have a number of 
“signature tags” that I’ve created from “Quote of the Day” in prior days and 
now “Brainy Quotes.”  I save each daily quote in a text file in a dedicated 
folder and then create the signature tag matching that file name.  I’m inclined 
to keep these signature tags in alphabetical order so when I create such a tag 
that begins with a letter later in alphabetical order I’d like to be able to 
enter the list of signature names and enter the first letter so I’ll be placed 
in that region of the list.  That is not working consistently.

For example, the “Second Mouse” tag below is a bit down the list; yet if I 
wanted to create a tag such as “Wisdom Outweighs,” simply typing a “w” upon 
entering the signature list often does nothing at all.  The aggravating aspect 
of this is that SOMETIMES it works.  And to top it off, when I am in a folder 
and trying to locate a file in this manner it does work all the time.

Does anybody have any suggestions?


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Re: A little humor to start your day

2022-12-06 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

> On Dec 7, 2022, at 00:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> In case you ever wondered, I have recently figured out that you can activate 
> Siri by saying “Hey sorry” or “Hey silly.”  I rather like this since Siri 
> frequently fits either one or both of those words.  Just thought I’d share.

Whether it monitors the microphone for the “wake words” is configurable in 
System Settings under Siri and Spotlight - noted here for anyone who has 
privacy concerns.

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Re: New to MacBook. Seeking advice on strategies for developing competence.

2022-12-05 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

Apple's online documentation is also useful. I would suggest this page 
(summarizing Mac OS keyboard commands):

https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201236

On 6/12/22 06:52, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Marlene. Welcome to the group and welcome to the Mac. I've been a Mac user 
for 12 years. When I got my first Mac which was a white polycarbon plastic 
MacBook running Snow Leopard, I sold my Lenovo PC the same day so I was forced 
to learn the Mac. It took me two weeks to learn the OS and I've been loving the 
Mac ever since. Someone said on this list a while ago that if you really want 
to learn how to use this platform, you should forget everything you know about 
Windows and to not use your PC as a crutch when you're frustrated with the Mac. 
They were great words and I took them to heart. I think that's why I'm very 
good at it. Also, along with this list, I have a Whatsapp group called Mac 
Users and Newbies which is also a great group. If you'd like to be added and if 
you're on a mobile phone such as iOS or Android, you can send me your contact 
information and I'll put you in the group. Enjoy the Mac.

Shawn


On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:02 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

That’s probably true.
Cheers,
Donna



On Dec 4, 2022, at 7:02 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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On Dec 5, 2022, at 00:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I don’t know why either, but that was certainly the case for me.  I think it’s 
because there are concepts in the Appleverse that aren’t part of Windows, such 
as interacting, and quicknav.  Also, in my case, I’d been a PC user for about 
twenty years.  So there were a lot of things that were basically hard-wired, 
and I had to relearn them.

For me, it started with Apple II in the 1980s, then MS-DOS in the early 90s, 
then UNIX in the 90s (a Sun clone), followed by Linux - both at the text 
console and later the graphical user interface as well. This was followed by 
Android, iOS, and then Mac OS. I didn’t have any trouble learning Mac OS, as I 
recall.
After that came Windows, learned “mostly on the job” in a work environment, and 
some opportunities to experiment a little with Chrome OS (but not to learn it 
properly).
My only conclusion is that having learned to use several different systems 
already makes the next one easier to learn.

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Re: New to MacBook. Seeking advice on strategies for developing competence.

2022-12-04 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




> On Dec 5, 2022, at 00:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I don’t know why either, but that was certainly the case for me.  I think 
> it’s because there are concepts in the Appleverse that aren’t part of 
> Windows, such as interacting, and quicknav.  Also, in my case, I’d been a PC 
> user for about twenty years.  So there were a lot of things that were 
> basically hard-wired, and I had to relearn them.
For me, it started with Apple II in the 1980s, then MS-DOS in the early 90s, 
then UNIX in the 90s (a Sun clone), followed by Linux - both at the text 
console and later the graphical user interface as well. This was followed by 
Android, iOS, and then Mac OS. I didn’t have any trouble learning Mac OS, as I 
recall.
After that came Windows, learned “mostly on the job” in a work environment, and 
some opportunities to experiment a little with Chrome OS (but not to learn it 
properly).
My only conclusion is that having learned to use several different systems 
already makes the next one easier to learn.

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Re: New to MacBook. Seeking advice on strategies for developing competence.

2022-12-03 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

In addition to what others have suggested, there’s documentation available with 
Ctrl-Option-Question mark (i.e., the VoiceOver modifier key with question mark).
I don’t know why this is so, but discussions on this list and elsewhere give me 
the impression that Windows users have a more difficult time learning VoiceOver 
for Mac than do people coming from other backgrounds.

> On Dec 4, 2022, at 10:38, Marlene Kramer  wrote:
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> hi listers, I am new to this list, and new to MacBook. I have transition from 
> the PC/jaws approach.
> I have a MacBook, running Ventura.
> I have eight years of experience with the iOS version of voiceover, but I’m 
> finding the MacBook version of voice over a little more challenging. I have 
> made some good initial progress, but realize I have a steep learning curve 
> ahead of me.
> I would very much appreciate learning from those of you with experience on 
> the MacBook, your recommended strategies for approaching this learning 
> process. No advice is too simple.
> Thanks in advance. Marlene.
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Re: Should Quick Nav Be Off?

2022-11-30 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries



On 1/12/22 10:09, Fazil M. wrote:

Am I supposed to keep Quick Nave off when editing text or typing a URL?
Yes, if you want to move the cursor instead of issuing VoiceOver 
navigation commands.


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Re: Reading Search Results?

2022-11-23 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

> On Nov 24, 2022, at 10:28, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> You have to interact with the search results.
Also, try using the down-arrow key in Spotlight once search results are 
obtained. This should allow you to navigate through the list of matches.

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Re: Track changes in text edit

2022-11-22 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 23/11/22 11:49, Pat Pound wrote:

Can anyone lead me to an explanation of how to use this with voiceover in 
Ventura. Thank you.

If you're looking for version history, then it's discussed in this article:

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/make-textedit-powerful-hidden-features/

According to the article, you can obtain a list of prior versions of a 
file, and restore any of them. I don't use TextEdit, so I can't comment 
in detail. So far as I know, it doesn't allow you to display the 
differences between revisions of a file, however.


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Re: Unmuting During a Zoom Meeting

2022-11-18 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 19/11/22 02:19, kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

When a meeting is being recorded on a Zoom meeting, how does one deal with that 
dialog? I have not been able to unmute and I think that is the reason. How  is 
this done on a Mac?


If you're referring to a permission dialogue for the recording, you 
should be able to grant or decline permission. If the dialogue doesn't 
gain focus automatically, you should be able to switch windows or use 
the VoiceOver application list to bring focus there.


Also, there is a keyboard command (Command-Shift-A) for mute/unmute that 
should work anywhere in the Zoom application.


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Re: Saving Path in Mac?

2022-11-12 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 13/11/22 11:52, Herbie Allen wrote:
I don’t hink that can be done from the save dialog, but it’s not 
needed. VO Right from the Save dialog VO Right to the list of folders, 
You may have to expand for this to work, but Command Shift H will get 
you to your home folder.


You can also type ~/path in the Save dialogue, then press return to move 
to that location.


As in all UNIX systems, ~ represents your home directory.

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Re: Selecting Next line or Previous line?

2022-11-09 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries



On 10/11/22 08:41, Fazil M. wrote:

“Select text going forward by line: Shift-Down Arrow

Select text going back by line: Shift-Up Arrow.”

Shift+up arrow or Shift+down arrow are not selecting any text for me.

Am I doing something wrong or these commands aren’t valid any more?


You need to be in an editable text area (e.g., text editor, text entry 
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Re: Letting Mac Remain Plugged in?

2022-11-08 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 9/11/22 11:25, Brad Snyder wrote:

Leaving your Mac plugged in should be OK.
The Mac is smart enough to know when it has received a full charge, and will 
switch to AC power.


Mine charges to 80% or so to preserve the battery if I leave it on AC 
power for long enough.


It's a 14-inch MacBook Pro, and I don't know which earlier models will 
do the same. My late 2013-model MacBook Pro didn't have this feature, as 
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Re: Switching Tabs in Microsoft Edge

2022-11-08 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 9/11/22 11:28, Dave Carlson wrote:

Can anyone tell me the VO commands to select or switch between tabs in the MS 
Edge browser?
I don't know, but the two possibilities to try are Ctrl-Tab and 
Command-` (i.e., the key above the tab key, which siwtches between 
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Re: Answering Phone Call on Mac?

2022-11-07 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 8/11/22 13:59, Herbie Allen wrote:

If you have Monterey or Ventura, it’s easy to answer calls, interact with the 
Facetime popup and vo Right to your except or decline buttons.

This doesn't seem tow work if the Mac is locked when the call arrives.

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Re: Answering Phone Call on Mac?

2022-11-07 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 8/11/22 13:38, Mohammad Fazil wrote:

Can I answer phone-call on Mac? If yes, how can it be done, please?


If you have an iPhone, you can configure FaceTime to allow calls to be 
made and answered on your other Apple devices, including the Mac.


When a call comes in, it can be awkward to answer. You may need to 
interact with the notifications list in VoiceOver so you can press the 
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Re: Screen Recording

2022-11-06 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries


This article describes the available techniques:
https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/tech/how-to-screen-record-on-mac

On 6/11/22 15:43, Herbie Allen wrote:

I know Quicktime has some screen recording options.


On Nov 5, 2022, at 23:08, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Hello all,
   Running Ventura. How to make a screen recording that will capture Voiceover? 
Thanks.

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Re: What is Launchpad?

2022-11-04 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 4/11/22 19:08, Tibor Niesner wrote:

it is an application in Dock, where you can launchh native or installed 
applications in Mac OS.
Also, you can start typing the name of the application in Launchpad to 
navigate to it quickly. Focus should move directly to the icon 
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Re: Reading Scanned text With Vo.

2022-10-30 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 30/10/22 11:28, Anders Holmberg wrote:

If I have a pdf with just graphics was there a command to read the text or 
convert it to text?

Try VO-Shift-L with image recognition enabled in VoiceOver Utility.

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Re: Transferring data to new iMax

2022-10-30 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 28/10/22 17:49, Agent086b wrote:

how did you copy over the files you want? I don’t use Drop box ore have enough 
space in iCloud to use either of them.


From memory, it was mostly scp, which is available on Mac OS by default.

If you install HomeBrew, you can easily install Rsync from there.

However, ssh and scp are available on most modern Linux, Mac OS and 
Windows systems these days, without any additional installation.


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Re: Transferring data to new iMax

2022-10-27 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

When I bought my 14-inch MacBook Pro, I started afresh. I copied over important 
files, but I installed all of the software new.

> On Oct 27, 2022, at 18:28, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I would use a service like Dropbox or iCloud and store all your documents 
> there. You could also use an external drive.
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2022, at 15:49, Agent086b  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> I am about to purchase a new iMac. Do I transfer stuff from my old one using 
>> iTunes or is there a better way?
>> Thanks as always for any advice.
>> Max.
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Re: iPhone 14 VO issue

2022-10-12 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

Did you perform the upgrade to iOS 16.0.3? I don’t know whether that will solve 
the problem, but it’s important to do nonetheless.
I haven’t encountered this problem, but I’m using a considerably older phone.

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> Yesterday I got my new iPhone 14 Pro.  So far I’m liking it.  But I’m 
> noticing one odd VO thing.  When I restart the phone, it comes up using the 
> Samantha voice, even though I have the Siri voice 4 as my default voice.  If 
> I turn VO off and back on, it uses my selected voice, but I’d rather not have 
> to turn VO off and on again whenever I need to restart the phone.  Anyone 
> else experienced this?  Anyone have any ideas for a fix?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: I have just discovered that I can launch VoiceOver in safe mode using Apple Silicon

2022-10-05 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 5/10/22 17:28, Michael Marshall wrote:

Command F5 as usual but it seems to be only Apple Silicon.
I haven't spoken to anyone about this who is still using an Intel processor.
With silicon, a lot of this stuff is built-in already.
I expect Apple redesigned the boot process and the recovery arrangements 
for the new hardware, and they may have made some accessibility-related 
improvements along the way; or perhaps the VoiceOver availability was 
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Re: Voiceover reads Subject before Sender in Outlook message list

2022-09-29 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 28/9/22 18:09, Andre Soares wrote:

In Outlook for Mac, when navigating the message list, Voiceover always reads 
each message header by an order my brain always finds strange:
Subject, Sender and then Date.

This is despite the fact that, to  a sighted person, the message list appears 
with the columns by the order I want:
From, Subject and then Date.


I suspect this is a consequence of how Microsoft Outlook is presenting 
the information to the screen reader, in order to achieve a presentation 
considered desirable by Microsoft's software developers.


If I'm right, then I doubt there's anything you can do to change it, 
other than to submit a bug report to Microsoft.


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Re: Reading BRF on Mac?

2022-09-28 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

> On Sep 28, 2022, at 10:15, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hello, is there a way to read a .brf file on my Mac?
Try opening it in any text editor, turning off braille translation for your 
braille display in VoiceOver, then read the file as usual.

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Re: getting rid of a notification

2022-09-25 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




> On Sep 25, 2022, at 16:11, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I'm trying to get rid of a dropbox notification that came up on Thursday. I 
> restarted my Mac to install updates and that notification was still there. 
> how do I make it go away?
In the Notifications list, use VO-Command-Space to obtain a list of actions, 
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Re: VO stop reading Microsoft Word

2022-09-20 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




> On Sep 20, 2022, at 11:00, Lucas Gil Nadolskis  wrote:
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> Just got an interesting issue on my Mac.
> VO just decided to not read the letters while I am typing in word.
> I can read what I type, but the echo when typing is just not there.
It’s probably a bug. Find out what was updated most recently (Microsoft Office 
or Mac OS). Whichever it is, it probably bears responsibility, and I would 
suggest reporting it to the appropriate vendor.

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Re: I recommend against upgrading to IOS 16

2022-09-15 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 14/9/22 15:01, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Everyone’s mileage may vary, of course, and from what I read on AppleVis, the 
usability may vary from one model to another.  FWIW, I have a 12 mini.


Mine is an iPhone XS. I upgraded on the day of release. Shortly after 
the upgrade, the voice configuration in VoiceOver was reset to the 
default (just the voice selection, not the speech rate). I fixed it in 
the VoiceOver settings.


I haven't encountered any other bugs or issues so far, and I've been 
using it significantly since the upgrade.


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Re: iPhone se22

2022-09-10 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 10/9/22 20:20, Lorie McCloud wrote:

Does the iPhone se22 have a faster processor than the iPhonese20? are there 
other significant differences?


Yes, it has a newer processor. Note also that the 2022 edition can 
reportedly be upgraded to iOS 16, whereas the 2020 version cannot.


There are other differences. See
https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/03/08/compared-new-2022-iphone-se-vs-2020-iphone-se


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Re: Question for those of you upgrading to the iPhone 14

2022-09-10 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:39, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Planning the iPhone 14 Pro. Not just for the processor, but for the better 
> camera, the LIDAR, and the Precise Positioning.
It is my understanding, which may be mistaken, that the new door detection 
feature in iOS 16 requires LiDAR, hence the Pro model. It’s the same for people 
detection.
I have an iPhone XS, and the reasons for upgrading are accumulating, but they 
are not yet compelling. For those in the U.S. and China, prices have reportedly 
been held the same as those of last year’s models, but prices have been 
increased in other markets. I would not be surprised if the price increases 
were to reach the U.S. and China with next year’s devices, though that of 
course is purely speculation on my part.

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Re: Good accessible apps

2022-09-09 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 9/9/22 14:06, Rebecca Sabo wrote:

I was wondering if their was a list or idea good accessible apps for the Mack 
computer’
I'm not aware of a list, but searching for reviews at applevis.com 
related to the kind of software you're looking for would be a good 
starting point.


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Re: Reviewing the Terminal window

2022-09-01 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 31/8/22 19:45, Steve Matzura wrote:
That's the odd thing. The system cursor is definitely in the Terminal 
window, I interact with it (VO+Down Arrow), and then when I go into 
Quick Nav and move around, I'm stuck in the title bar. If I don't go 
into Quick Nav, it's just as if I pressed Up Arrow to recall previous 
shell commands.


What happens when you use VO-Left/Right-Arrow to navigate, with Quick 
Nav off?


Also, what is your operating system version, and can you upgrade it?

If it's a current Mac OS release, and standard VO navigation commands 
aren't working, I would suggest contacting Apple and lodging a support case.


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Re: Reviewing the Terminal window

2022-08-30 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 30/8/22 18:32, Steve Matzura wrote:
Has something changed in Terminal? I used to be able to review the 
screen contents simply by interacting with the window and moving the 
cursor around. Now, I can't get the cursor off the title bar any more. 
What, if anything, has changed?


This should still work as it has done previously. Make sure you've 
actually interacted with the text of the terminal.


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Re: Bluetooth Headphones

2022-08-27 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 27/8/22 09:47, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
   I have tried to pair it with the Samsung but was unsuccessful. I 
will try again shortly. What I am curious about is, are there other BY 
headphones that makes it easier to easily switch to other connected 
devices?


Connecting to multiple devices and switching between them appropriately 
seems to be a problem for Bluetooth generally. Find out how many devices 
your headphones support concurrently. Mine support two only.


I have Bose noise cancelling headphones, and switching them between 
different connected devices has always been problematic. It's supposed 
to happen automatically


Also, if you're using Bluetooth headphones with a screen reader, latency 
can slow down your work. Apple devices seem somewhat better in this 
respect, perhaps due to their support for the AAC audio codec via 
Bluetooth. Microsoft Windows is considerably worse, at least for my 
headphones. Linux performs remarkably well though (but there's still the 
problem of connecting multiple devices, as mentioned).


So, be aware of latency issues if you plan to use such headphones with 
VoiceOver.


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Re: Mac vs. iPad

2022-08-24 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 24/8/22 09:51, Herbie Allen wrote:

This is good to know. I have contemplated the iPad over the years, especially 
when they introduce interesting t hings like the four speaker setup, and m1. 
However, I’ve resisted at the same time because it’s always struck me as an  
overgrown iPhone. I’m glad I went the Mac route instead.


It depends on what your needs are, of course, but I don't think an iPad 
can be substituted for a Mac by people who are doing more than consumer 
tasks, light e-mail and some Web browsing.



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Re: Upcoming Iphones

2022-08-16 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 14/8/22 15:18, Brad Snyder wrote:

Unless your current iPhone dies on you, I would never buy a current model 
iPhone during the month of August. If for no other reason, the current model 
iPhone 13 will be available at a reduced price next month.


I agree. I am very satisfied with my iPhone XS, so I'll probably wait at 
least another year or two before upgrading.


I'm sure 5G would be better, and it's available where I live, but I'm 
not outside using mobile data enough to notice.


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Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in

2022-08-09 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 8/8/22 13:57, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Well, just a curious question.
What is wrong or lets say problematic with FaceId?


Nothing, in my experience, unless I'm trying to use it while wearing a mask.

Other than that, Face ID has been reliable for me.

Touch ID on the Mac is also reliable, and I'm impressed by how quickly 
it moves from sleep mode to the desktop.


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Re: DocuSign

2022-08-08 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




> On Jul 25, 2022, at 14:42, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I successfully used it a couple months ago.
> 
> There was some kind of screen reader mode that allowed me to authorize
> an electronic signature. Things were pretty straight forward from that
> point.
That’s my experience also. I assume the button to enable accessibility is 
visually hidden, but available to screen readers. It worked well for me.

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Re: A question regarding Brltty.

2022-07-29 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 27/7/22 14:16, Anders Holmberg wrote:

The brltty program for Linux Terminal  should be able to install on the Mac.
But actually I don’t know if I can do that with a lot of knowledge.
I guess there are things that I need to install first I think.


It used to be complicated, requiring you to compile BRLTTY on the Mac 
and to compile a patched version of GNU Screen. This has been discussed 
on the BRLTTY mailing list from time to time.


I don't know whether any of the above has changed in recent years. I 
just use VoiceOver's braille support. It's your decision whether all the 
complexity of installing and maintaining BRLTTY in a Mac OS environment 
is worthwhile.


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Re: how to use terminal to unzip to a folder

2022-07-29 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries


The unzip command is included in Mac OS.

On 28/7/22 16:33, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks,
That’s what I needed.



On Jul 28, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Hello,
Fairly easy way:
cd ~/Downloads/
open *.zip  &&

There is a zip command also which would use less resources as it 
doesn't open a window, using this is probably more efficient, and it 
might even have an option to delete zip files after they are 
decompressed.It It does have option  to compress only files newer or 
older than a specific date or to move files from one archive to 
another. Acopy of the   Man page formatted for the browser can be 
found at:

https://ss64.com/osx/zip.html
Though typing "man zip" in the terminal is guaranteed to give you the 
man page for the version of zip you have on your computer.

 for


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jul 27, 2022, at 13:59, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Dear List,
Can someone help me with this problem?
I want to use terminal, or a shortcut, to look in the downloads folder,
Find all zip files and extract them to a folder in my home directory 
called Books.

Here is what I come up with no good results.
ditto -x -k *.zip ~ % [200~/Users/robert/Books

Thanks,
Rob


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RE: Macbook Air M2

2022-07-17 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

Do you want the better performance and the extra ports of the MacBook Pro? I 
did, and I'm glad of it, but that's my choice, and your needs will be different 
from mine. Think about whether you'll be using it for CPU-intensive work.

-Original Message-
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Subject: Macbook Air M2

Hello,

has anyone Macbook Air M2 or do you plan buy it?

I choose between Macbook Air M2 or Macbook Pro 14“ 2021.

Thank you.

Tibor.

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Re: Making Lists

2022-07-16 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

An alternative would be a two-column table.
Note that in most word processors, you can start a new line without creating a 
new paragraph using Shift-Return.

> On 15 Jul, 2022, at 21:21, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi folks,
>   I think a list created in Word will do for me. Here is an example text.
> 
> * Read VoiceOver hint for current item
>  VO-Shift-N
> 
>  Can I make this a bulleted list and indent the keyboard command? The 
> asterisk simulates a bullet in the example. Can a style be created to 
> accomplish this? Thanks.
> 
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> will make violent revolution inevitable."
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Re: Outlook Server Name

2022-07-10 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 10/7/22 14:30, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:

   Is this currently a valid server name for Outlook? Thanks.

outlook.office365.com

I think so. Any client software you use it with should report an error 
message fairly quickly if not. You can definitely access that address 
via the Web (and work with mail from there if you have an Office 365 
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Re: External SSD crashes Finder & Disk Utilities

2022-07-08 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 8/7/22 17:26, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries wrote:

So if I can’t rename or format the SSD, What do I do?
Please give me some advice!
It is my understanding that you can format storage devices from the shell 
prompt in Mac OS.
You should be able to look up the command syntax on the Web, then run 
Terminal and carefully use a command to reformat the device.


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Re: iOS Apps on Ma

2022-06-29 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

My assumption is that it’s relatively easy for Apple to develop versions of 
relevant iOS libraries that can run on Apple Silicon. With those in place, the 
applications can be executed, as both iOS and Mac OS running on Apple Silicon 
are thus using the same 64-bit ARM architecture. Given that they’re leaving 
behind the x86 architecture, Apple’s developers aren’t about to write the ARM 
emulator for x86 that would enable iOS apps to run on an Intel-based Mac. To do 
that, they would need to translate the ARM instructions to x86 instructions.

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>   Hmmm, just on an M1? Interesting.
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> On 6/28/2022 8:01 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:
>> You can in the App Store on an M1 Mac. I do not know of a way on the Intel 
>> ones.
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>>>   Is it possible to view a list of purchqced iOS app on the Mac? It would 
>>> be interesting to see which apps are compatible for the Mac, Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: likely a silly question about the mac desktop.

2022-06-28 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

Maybe you should run Vim and never have to take your hands away from the 
main keyboard while editing.


On 26/6/22 19:57, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi folks,
One thing I am personally finding I seriously need is  basic keyboard 
typing practice.
On my main computers, because I have been using  them for so many 
years, I am a swift typist who is very very very  used to keeping my 
hands on the main keyboard and knowing where I am from a screen reader 
standpoint as well.
I am personally feeling that some time with either textedit, or pages, 
will let me just practice typing with no fear that I will set 
something off with the mac itself.
I want to be so solid with my typing that entering my password without 
input will be effortless, I doubt I can turn off having to provide his 
for my apple ID for example.
so, at this stage, what is the fastest way to load textedit?  say 
using the menu bar, if that is an option?
I will want to know as well how to keep certain programs I use often 
either in the finder, or in the menu,  bar, which ever   is most 
practical.
I am used to just typing whatever starts the program, I never used 
windows at all.

Ideas?
 Kare





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Using the terminal (was Re: basic finder question)

2022-06-26 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




> On 26 Jun, 2022, at 20:03, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps I should ask this differently.
> Can one move from the apple desktop into terminal using voiceover and work 
> equally as well?
> could I work in programs in the terminal using voiceover, just as I can use 
> it  with programs in the main desktop?
Yes, the terminal is treated as just another application so far as VoiceOver is 
concerned.
> I am not even sure what tab completion means in general, I do not personally 
> use the tab key much outside of word processing.
It’s a feature of the shell that completes partially typed commands and file 
names. For example, if you had a directory named “documents” and you typed 
“do”, then pressed the tab key, it would complete the rest of the name - 
assuming that there are no other names beginning with “do”. Typically, pressing 
the tab key twice gives you a list of names that match.

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Re: basic finder question

2022-06-26 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

> On 26 Jun, 2022, at 19:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> And voiceover works flawlessly in terminal?
Well enough, at least, to manipulate files and directories efficiently, and to 
use tab completion.

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Re: slack and voiceover?

2022-06-26 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

I’ve used it once or twice. It was needed for a couple of online events that I 
attended for work purposes.
I don’t recall any substantial accessibility issues. However, I didn’t use 
Slack extensively.

> On 26 Jun, 2022, at 17:09, Minh Ha  wrote:
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> I use it daily for work. I’m not a huge fan of it, but it does work well 
> enough to read messages in channels and sending messages. 
> 
> 
> Minh Ha
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 26, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I use it every day at work, works very well, you can arrow up and down 
>> through the messages in a channel and the F6 key will move you to the 
>> different parts of the screen such as the side bar and channel list.
>> 
>>> On Jun 25, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Anyone using slack with voiceover?
>>> Just curious,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: basic finder question

2022-06-26 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

The other option is to run Terminal and use the mv command at the shell 
prompt.


On 22/6/22 14:28, Andrew Leland wrote:

Dear Jürgen,
Thank you so much for this quick and extremely helpful reply!
All best,
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Re: Working around MS Word

2022-06-22 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

Recent versions have improved somewhat in their accessibility.
Make sure you’re using the latest Office 365, monthly channel, for the best 
that Microsoft Word for Mac currently offers to the VoiceOver user. Old 
versions are definitely problematic.

> On 22 Jun, 2022, at 16:57, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   I agree, Tim. It works well. I have been made to work with sophisticated 
> documents and it is surprisingly accessible.
> 
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> Take Care
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>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Works fine for me. 
>> 
>>  Later... 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work 
>>> but in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word 
>>> doesn’t work very well.
>>> In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using 
>>> VoiceOver. 
>>> Jürgen
 Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. 
 It is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
 back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
 import and export to Microsoft Word easily.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  > wrote:
> 
> Here’s another question for the group:
> 
> One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is 
> that I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes 
> and comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I 
> can’t give up word entirely because I need to be able to check the 
> formatting of the exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments 
> on files I’m receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with 
> track changes and comments into a more accessible program than Word on 
> the Mac? Like maybe Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t 
> have to switch to Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate 
> considering everything I know about MS Word for MacOS...
> 
> Thanks and high fives all around,
> Andrew
>>  On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Andrew,
>> 
>> I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in 
>> this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also 
>> have a look on applevis.com . Very rich.
>> 
>> Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the 
>> Finder.
>> 
>> Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to 
>> VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In 
>> this point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do 
>> better.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a 
>>> blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've 
>>> never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS 
>>> Word in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac 
>>> stops working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word 
>>> processor. (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the 
>>> web, more reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).
>>> 
>>> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which 
>>> is as follows: 
>>> 
>>> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, 
>>> deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can 
>>> "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step 
>>> of having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly 
>>> tried reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with 
>>> VoiceOver but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient 
>>> than copy file, paste file, delete file in the finder?
>>> 
>>>

Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

2022-06-20 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

If you can read them with VoiceOver on the Mac, then, yes, you should be able 
to use your braille display for the purpose.
Be aware, however, that the panning behavior on VoiceOver for Mac with a 
braille display can be awkward, and it may be challenging to read a document 
sequentially.

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> Hello,
> 
> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader for 
> mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
> 
> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Problem with using Mail in Big Sur 11.5 in later

2022-06-20 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries




On 18/6/22 10:10, Pat Pound wrote:

I have not found a way to be able to navigate line by line through my mail 
inbox so that I get the cinder and subject we just want tope is anyone else 
solve this? Thank you


If you interact with the "table" that contains the list of messages, you 
should be able to read through them efficiently with up/down cursor 
keys, and, if I recall correctly, left/right to expand/collapse threads. 
This assumes you're using Apple Mail.


If you're using Microsoft Outlook for Mac, this aspect of operation is 
similar.


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Re: onboard tutorial revisited.

2022-06-15 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

Also, the user’s guide can be reached with Ctrl-Option-Question mark.
Apple announced that there would be new voice options in Mac OS Ventura. I 
don’t know whether any of those might be more intelligible for your purposes.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Karen Lewellen 
Date: Wednesday, 15June, 2022 at 18:42
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: onboard tutorial revisited.
Hi Tim,
That got it, the reference just was not spoken clearly.  using a new voice
as well, but glad it is here.
Kare



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Try VO-cmd-f8, that is, ctrl-option-cmd-F8.
>
> Laterâ€¦
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:52, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>
>> Well, now that the log in request is gone, I can hopefully get started 
>> learning my mac better.
>> save that the tutorial I am anticipating seems to be missing?
>> to be clear, this goes back several editions, in the voiceover utility menu 
>> there was a tutorial with a voice guiding one through learning basic 
>> keystrokes and navigation.  This voice differed from  say what I assume is 
>> Alex, and helps you learn how things work.
>> However when I choose what has to be function-vo-8 to reach the utility I 
>> cannot find the tutorial.
>> Granted, I am still getting used tot his voice, and may not simply 
>> understand it well yet.
>> Still, what am I missing?  lastly, is there a command which reviews last 
>> information provided by voiceover? I suppose good old fashioned screen 
>> review may be missing smiles.
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>>
>>
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Re: Accessing notifications

2022-06-12 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

Yes, that’s also as I remember it.
The one situation that poses difficulties for me in Monterey is answering an 
incoming Facetime call when the Mac is locked. It’s hard to reach the 
notification in time after using touch ID to unlock the device. I don’t 
remember whether I tried VO-N in that situation.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Sunday, 12June, 2022 at 13:41
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Accessing notifications
Hi,

It may have depended on the specific notification.  Those persistent ones that 
remain on the screen may have often been given automatic focus by VO, I can’t 
recall.  I do recall though that it was slightly different in Big Sur.  I 
actually prefer the Monterey style of doing things with notifications, but of 
course, that’s a personal preference.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2022, at 10:07, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Huh.  I don’t know what to tell you, but it was different for me in Big Sur.  
Maybe there was some setting that was different.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 12, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Well, there's no reason why it should be any different on your machine running 
big serve than it is when running Monterey. It is the same on both of my 
machines.

- Brad -

On Jun 12, 2022, at 08:16, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Actually, Brad, for me it is different.  In Big Sur, the focus was 
automatically placed there.  I did not have to press VO N.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 11, 2022, at 5:20 PM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Actually, if there is an on screen notification, you should be able to place 
focus on the notification by pressing VO + N, then use your Down Arrow key to 
select the desired notification.
Once selected, you can use the Actions Menu (VO + CMD + Spacebar) to select the 
desired action.
This is no different than what was done in big Sur.

- Brad -

On Jun 11, 2022, at 17:12, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Open Calendar, go to its preferences, interact with toolbar, select Alerts. You 
will find what you need there.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/11/2022 3:06 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all,
Ever since upgrading to Monterrey, when I open the lid on my M1 MacBook Air and 
get a calendar notification, I don’t seem to be able to access it to make it go 
away.  Under Big Sur, I used to be able to press VO-CMD-space, and dismiss the 
notification.  But now, if I do that, the focus is on whatever app is 
highlighted on my desktop, so I’m unable to do anything with the calendar 
notification.  Anyone know how I can dismiss these in Monterrey?
Thanks,
Donna

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