Re: Anybody left in Florida?

[Scott Granados]

Well, until someone get ahold of Chuck and actually applies some moderation I’m 
done, unsubbing account #2.

> On Sep 11, 2017, at 12:39 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Heh, thanks for the correction. Yes, go figure. Next year's midterm 
> elections will be interesting, we will see how many of the right lose their 
> seats.
> 
>   Michelle O as President. Hmmm! Fascinating!
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/10/2017 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hey ET,
>>  That's no man, it's an orange!
>> But yeah and he still sits in the chair of power,
>>  Go figure,
>>  Michelle O for president, how would that sound?
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Monday, 11 September 2017 3:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Anybody left in Florida?
>> Simon,
>> The election was rigged, the man said so himself.
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> On 9/10/2017 7:35 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Was listening to some news casts out of florida earlier today,
>>> 
>>> Some guy was kite surfing off the Miami beachs in the storm,
>>> 
>>> Another guy was wandering down the street with no shirt on and when
>>> asked what he was doing he said he was going to tie himself to a post for a 
>>> science experiement and see out the storm that way, It was alright though 
>>> he said he had safety measures in place.
>>> 
>>> I thought we kiwis were friggen crazy,
>>> 
>>>   Not only do you guys elect a crazy orange guy as your leader but you
>>> do things like kite surf in a hurricane
>>> 
>>> Good luck to you all in the south we're all hanging out watching the 
>>> happenings.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>>> Sent: Monday, 11 September 2017 12:27 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Anybody left in Florida?
>>> 
>>> WE in Tallahassee over here.  Store shelves are bare, people are leaving 
>>> town, and the Red Cross is stocking up and picking up the homeless.  I just 
>>> grabbed 15 cases of water, 10 cases of gadarade, and some juice boxes for 
>>> the kids.  It is expected to come threw here later on tonight so we will 
>>> see what happens.  The place I live is hurricane ready, so we will see what 
>>> happens.
>>> Check out my groups
>>> Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs:
>>> https://groups.io/g/public-beta-users
>>> Come learn and teach about apple products!
>>> https://groups.io/g/peel-the-apple
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 2:51 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I lived in West Palm for a long time, talking to my friend this evening 
>>>> who still does on the 18th floor of a condo complex.  Sounds like a place 
>>>> I would not want to be.  We’re pulling for you all up here.  Looks like 
>>>> it’s headed a bit west so may be little bit less damaging than originally 
>>>> thought but that sure seems like a whopper of a storm.  Keep the powder 
>>>> dry down there.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>>> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Terje,
>>>>> 
>>>>> yes were down here in Sunrise fl Broward County AKA Fort Lauderdale
>>>>> We just had a feeder band go through! and a tornado watch just went
>>>>> in to effect! :) Shutters locked and loaded!
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>>>>> "Albert Einstein’
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote:
>>>>> 

Re: Anybody left in Florida?

[Scott Granados]

Don’t get me started on Christians, I had to ride in to work this morning 
hearing on the radio how you nut bags blamed the storm on homosexuals and 
Moslems.

And people say Isis has the monopoly on evil.  Christianity is right there with 
them when you start making nut job claims like this.
I think another great example of Christianity at work was that Joel 
what ever his name is with the mega church in Houston who wouldn’t let in 
people seeking shelter yet he gets a tax free ride on the backs of the citizens.
Another fine example is one of your boys Jim Baker Christian soldier 
who claims that America is being punished by the storms yet neglects to mention 
is himself received 4 years in federal prison for fraud.  Sounds pretty 
Christian to me.

And here we go again with the Moderators only operating one side of thread yet 
allowing chuck to spread his special brand of hate unimpeded whether it’s out 
right list violations like this message or in the continuous stream of BS that 
fills his tag lines that again clearly violate the no religion requirement.

Have to say this list is steadily becoming less and less valuable and more and 
more garbage filled with moderation that’s less and less evenly applied.



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 11:57 PM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah ET,
> This is off topic but I see you need some clarification!
> Your correct it was rigged but not enough to pull it off by the adversary!
> 83% of the Christians in the Us proved that we are still a formidable voting 
> block!
> over 3 million illegal aliens seemed to be able to vote in several states!
> Cant wait till the Vice President finishes his vote fraud investigation.
> Still love to chat some time and I will explain the ET's for you! :)
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> 
> On Sep 10, 2017, at 11:12 PM, E.T. wrote:
> 
>> Simon,
>>  The election was rigged, the man said so himself.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/10/2017 7:35 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Was listening to some news casts out of florida earlier today,
>>> Some guy was kite surfing off the Miami beachs in the storm,
>>> Another guy was wandering down the street with no shirt on and when asked 
>>> what he was doing he said he was going to tie himself to a post for a 
>>> science experiement and see out the storm that way,
>>> It was alright though he said he had safety measures in place.
>>> I thought we kiwis were friggen crazy,
>>> Not only do you guys elect a crazy orange guy as your leader but you do 
>>> things like kite surf in a hurricane
>>> Good luck to you all in the south we're all hanging out watching the 
>>> happenings.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>>> Sent: Monday, 11 September 2017 12:27 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Anybody left in Florida?
>>> WE in Tallahassee over here.  Store shelves are bare, people are leaving 
>>> town, and the Red Cross is stocking up and picking up the homeless.  I just 
>>> grabbed 15 cases of water, 10 cases of gadarade, and some juice boxes for 
>>> the kids.  It is expected to come threw here later on tonight so we will 
>>> see what happens.  The place I live is hurricane ready, so we will see what 
>>> happens.
>>> Check out my groups
>>> Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs: 
>>> https://groups.io/g/public-beta-users
>>> Come learn and teach about apple products!
>>> https://groups.io/g/peel-the-apple
>>>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 2:51 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I lived in West Palm for a long time, talking to my friend this evening 
>>>> who still does on the 18th floor of a condo complex.  Sounds like a place 
>>>> I would not want to be.  We’re pulling for you all up here.  Looks like 
>>>> it’s headed a bit west so may be little bit less damaging than originally 
>>>> thought but that sure seems like a whopper of a storm.  Keep the powder 
>>>> dry down there.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>

Re: Do Airpods Have a Delay?

[Scott Granados]

There’s a slight delay but nothing like traditional headsets.  Vastly improved. 
 It’s the best on the iPhone 7 as it’s optimized all the way through but even 
to a recent Mac it’s wonderful and totally usable with wireless audio.


> On Sep 8, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I'm only noticing a problem when trying to connect the pods to my phone 
> It doesn't always work as it should.
> Think I might take them in to get looked at.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2017 2:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Do Airpods Have a Delay?
> 
> Hi:
> I haven't noticed a delay on my iPhone 6s.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Olivares
> Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:42 AM
> To: “Mac Visionaries“ 
> Subject: Do Airpods Have a Delay?
> 
> I need to get some new headphones. I'm deciding between the Airpods, or Bose 
> QC 20i.
> 
> I'm hesitant to get the Airpods, because in the past, bluetooth has always 
> had a noticible delay. Do the Airpods still have this issue?
> 
> This will be for an iMac.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: What's the best method for changing the connected device with the air pods?

[Scott Granados]

So this manual transfer thing is so weak.  I was writing a review for the 
AirPods originally and going to give them a 5 star rating based on my first 24 
hours use.  But once I got to work trying to use them with all this manually 
connecting and such I’m deducting 2.5 stars until they install multipoint 
support and join the 21st century with everyone else.  Literally every other 
bluetooth headset does this better than Apple.  That’s such a poor performance. 
As someone said though I forget it if it was you or not it’s the first run at 
the product.  Multipoint or something better may be in the works so I will hold 
out for a while .  It’s to bad to because they are so great in absolutely every 
other way.


> On Sep 8, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I can transfer from my phone to my watch by going into the watch settings and 
> Bluetooth then tapping on the watch.
> 
> But this is using IOS 11 on my phone and watch os 3.2.3 
> So the ability is now there but as david said watch os 4 may correct this 
> issue completely.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 8 September 2017 12:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What's the best method for changing the connected device with 
> the air pods?
> 
> The only device I’m not running beta code on besides production work devices 
> of course is my watch.  I bet that’s the problem and addressed in Watch OS 4. 
>  Good point I will do that.  Am I the only one missing multipoint support 
> though?
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:33 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> As iOS 11, and iOS Watch 4 are both coming out within a week or so, might I 
>> suggest you wait a short while about the Air Pods? Apple has admitted the 
>> bug in connecting to the Apple Watch with the Air Pods whilst running 
>> VoiceOver. My hope is that this glitch is corrected then.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 8/09/2017, at 10:14, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I’ve done some reading and am not finding much.  I’m wondering what 
>>> people are using for a work flow here.  Say I’m connected to my iPhone and 
>>> I want to connect to my Mac, is the only way to do this to use the 
>>> bluetooth menu and select connect under the AirPods tree?  How about 
>>> connecting back to the phone is there an easier method than going to 
>>> settings, bluetooth and double tapping AirPods?  I read something about the 
>>> control center but I can’t find the control.
>>>  Here’s another question, suppose I’m on the Mac paired and my phone rings, 
>>> how do I get the phone to easily connect directly to the pods?  Should I 
>>> just use FaceTime and handle the call over WiFi?  The lack of meaningful 
>>> multipoint support is less than optimal.  What do you think any suggestions 
>>> for optimizing my experience?  And I’ll be damned if I can’t figure out how 
>>> to get the pods to work with the watch.  I’ve tried the power cycling and 
>>> was going to try a full reset and initial pair again but that seems 
>>> excessive.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.  I love the audio and the 
>>> use of the pods with the censors and detection of things automatically is 
>>> really something.  I love the charging case as well.  I just don’t get the 
>>> lack of multipoint support.  I wonder if multipoint like APTX is property 
>>> of Qualcomm.  That in itself may explain things, I know it explains the 
>>> lack of APTX at least from what I’ve read.  I have not tried enabling apex 
>>> personally.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, any help would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
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Re: Upgrading my Mini

[Scott Granados]

Larry, don’t upgrade through apple, go to local shop or do it yourself.  Check 
out www.crucial.com , put in the model Mac you have 
and it will tell you what parts to buy.  Prices are a fraction of what Apple 
charges so you could buy more drive for less money.  


> On Sep 8, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a late ’14 Mac Mini.  It is serving me well, but I notice that the 1TB 
> Fusion drive I bought it with is filling up faster than I expected.  I could 
> go into iTunes and get rid of some videos and that would probably help a lot, 
> but I may have need to install Windows and thus more disk space, so here’s 
> the question.  I know it won’t be the cheap route.  I could probably buy a 
> serviceable Windows machine for what I’ll spend, but I don’t want to clutter 
> my workspace any more than it already is.  If I unplug my Mini and cart it to 
> an Apple store, will they upgrade the drive for me?  What am I looking at 
> spending for a 2TB SSD that they install?  In my younger days I’d happily 
> pull it apart and do it myself, but now I don’t have the time or patience and 
> can’t risk a fatal error.
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Re: Anybody left in Florida?

[Scott Granados]

I lived in West Palm for a long time, talking to my friend this evening who 
still does on the 18th floor of a condo complex.  Sounds like a place I would 
not want to be.  We’re pulling for you all up here.  Looks like it’s headed a 
bit west so may be little bit less damaging than originally thought but that 
sure seems like a whopper of a storm.  Keep the powder dry down there.


> On Sep 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Terje,
> 
> yes were down here in Sunrise fl Broward County AKA Fort Lauderdale
> We just had a feeder band go through! and a tornado watch just went in to 
> effect! :)
> Shutters locked and loaded!
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> 
> On Sep 9, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote:
> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Are there someone from Florida or Georgia on this list? Good luck.
>> 
>> Take care
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Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

[Scott Granados]

Hi Karen,
We do agree. This is why I mentioned I have little room for 
intellectual property theft.  It’s a difficult balance.  On the one hand I’m 
all for observing copy rights and of course paying the artists for their hard 
work but some countries are so heavy handed.  I don’t know where that line is 
exactly but there is one there somewhere.  Piracy is no good though, no 
argument from me.

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:28 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> while  that is indeed an excellent point, there  are a good ten different 
> ways  such an exchange might have taken place,..most importantly without 
> posting a link to the contents on an entire list of people.  I might add that 
> the  person asking the question said nothing about informational oppression, 
> they stated that the show is available with Spanish descriptions, and  they 
> wanted English.
> To be sure, there  is a small chance that game of Thrones is restricted  in a 
> few Spanish speaking countries, the nudity might generate as much.
> Still, there was no need at all for the link to the contents  appearing for 
> everyone, now in the archives as well.
> Do not mistake me, I resonate with the dangers of limited cultural exposure, 
> echoing your concerns for journalistic freedom for example stateside.  yet, 
> an explanation of the reason, supporting our possible reasoning, followed by 
> an offer to privately share, while clearly and honestly  stating where the 
> description can be obtained legally, in my personal  view, would have been 
> better.
> Piracy of stolen artistic creations is a crime too.
> Kare
> 
> "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
> skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
> hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
> love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
> opposite." Nelson Mandela.
> 
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Karen, technically you’re right but what I think he’s bumping in to is state 
>> sponsored censorship.  I could be wrong as I’m not exactly sure where the 
>> poster is from but I know in many countries content is banned and has to be 
>> spread using technologies that subvert the government controls.  A good 
>> example where I definitely know this is true is China.  A practical example 
>> of this is the Big Bang theory.  The show the Big Bang Theory is banned in 
>> China, yes Sheldon is off limits.;).  So many citizens of China use methods 
>> ranging from different torrents, VPNs, net news (remember that one), SSH 
>> tunnels and more to build a bridge to a point in the clear where things are 
>> freely available like we’re used to in the west.  (For now anyway). Also in 
>> these countries many copies are ripped and traded not necessarily to steal 
>> them although they are but because they have no other method for the content 
>> and one lesson we never seem to learn as a society and species is that 
>> markets will always find a way and demand will always find a supply.  
>> Whether it’s the absolute idiotic war on drugs, that foolish experiment that 
>> was repealed by the 21st amendment, or censorship a way is always found to 
>> fill the demand.  So while I definitely don’t support intellectual property 
>> theft, I am willing to cut folks in parts of the world where they aren’t as 
>> free some slack.  Also makes me appreciate what I have and where I live.  I 
>> think I’m inspired to go put some rounds down range, ah if it weren’t so 
>> late.;). I do think this is where the poster is going though.  Trade at your 
>> own risk and make your moral judgements accordingly.  I personally buy my 
>> content like it sounds like you do because I can and want to support the 
>> efforts of the artists but it’s easy for me to do so.  If I had to hide from 
>> Uncle Sam to watch my favorite show I might feel differently and have to 
>> take different steps.  It’s a big bad world out there.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So this is stolen property?
>>> I am not sure I understand the no other option idea.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
>>> skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
>>> hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
>>> love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
>>> opposite." Nelson Mandela.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Congratulations.  I just recently nailed a permanent gig as well so I know how 
positive that is especially with things being so contract oriented now.

Very happy for you.

> On Sep 2, 2017, at 3:55 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Yes, I have a new job. I came off probation and am now permanent as of two 
> months ago.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 2/09/2017, at 00:00, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> David, the iPhone does not require GIS data or a cell signal to plot it’s 
>> position.  As you correctly state as long as their is a GPS signal from 
>> enough locations you can determine your position.  I’m not sure about your 
>> particular part of the planet but I know the requirement for GPS for e911 
>> was put in place in the US.  I suspect you folks down under have a similar 
>> requirement.
>> 
>> And rumor has it you got a new job my friend, congratulations if this is 
>> true.  I believe I read this on linked in.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 4:53 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, Joseph, it depends on the app. Some apps, such as Navigon, store 
>>> all the maps on the phone. For these apps, the only thing needed is GPS 
>>> signal. Unfortunately, only one app which stores local map data on the 
>>> phone is free. All the others charge a decent amount. And, there is the 
>>> situation of accessibility.
>>> 
>>> Direct access to the sky is not always enough. Direct access to the sky 
>>> where the GPS satelites are is always enough, when one has the map data.
>>> 
>>> The situation described, where cell tower access is required means the 
>>> phone requires a data signal to receive map positional information. Oh, I 
>>> believe the information is called GIS, or Geographic Information System.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 1/09/2017, at 04:47, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. 
>>>> But I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an 
>>>> extent. However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service 
>>>> whatsoever on your device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I 
>>>> have recently tried this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only 
>>>> way it works, when you have no service. As if you have previously loaded 
>>>> your route, before you lost service. So I hope this clarifies things.
>>>> Joseph Hudson
>>>> 
>>>> Email
>>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>>> I device support
>>>> Telephone
>>>> 2543007667
>>>> Skype
>>>> joseph.hudson89
>>>> facebook
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>>> Twitter
>>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>>>> 
>>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is not correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
>>>>> tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will 
>>>>> need to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  
>>>>> WiFi is not required however.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as 
>>>>>> long as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a 
>>>>>> big paper weight and only good for books and games.
>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>>>>>>> its E.T.
>

Any interest in a review of the Apple AirPods?

[Scott Granados]

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Re: What's the best method for changing the connected device with the air pods?

[Scott Granados]

The only device I’m not running beta code on besides production work devices of 
course is my watch.  I bet that’s the problem and addressed in Watch OS 4.  
Good point I will do that.  Am I the only one missing multipoint support though?


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:33 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> As iOS 11, and iOS Watch 4 are both coming out within a week or so, might I 
> suggest you wait a short while about the Air Pods? Apple has admitted the bug 
> in connecting to the Apple Watch with the Air Pods whilst running VoiceOver. 
> My hope is that this glitch is corrected then.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 8/09/2017, at 10:14, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> So I’ve done some reading and am not finding much.  I’m wondering what 
>> people are using for a work flow here.  Say I’m connected to my iPhone and I 
>> want to connect to my Mac, is the only way to do this to use the bluetooth 
>> menu and select connect under the AirPods tree?  How about connecting back 
>> to the phone is there an easier method than going to settings, bluetooth and 
>> double tapping AirPods?  I read something about the control center but I 
>> can’t find the control.
>>   Here’s another question, suppose I’m on the Mac paired and my phone rings, 
>> how do I get the phone to easily connect directly to the pods?  Should I 
>> just use FaceTime and handle the call over WiFi?  The lack of meaningful 
>> multipoint support is less than optimal.  What do you think any suggestions 
>> for optimizing my experience?  And I’ll be damned if I can’t figure out how 
>> to get the pods to work with the watch.  I’ve tried the power cycling and 
>> was going to try a full reset and initial pair again but that seems 
>> excessive.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.  I love the audio and the 
>> use of the pods with the censors and detection of things automatically is 
>> really something.  I love the charging case as well.  I just don’t get the 
>> lack of multipoint support.  I wonder if multipoint like APTX is property of 
>> Qualcomm.  That in itself may explain things, I know it explains the lack of 
>> APTX at least from what I’ve read.  I have not tried enabling apex 
>> personally.
>> 
>> Anyway, any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: **OFFtoppic, Game of thrones season 7 audio described?

[Scott Granados]

Karen, technically you’re right but what I think he’s bumping in to is state 
sponsored censorship.  I could be wrong as I’m not exactly sure where the 
poster is from but I know in many countries content is banned and has to be 
spread using technologies that subvert the government controls.  A good example 
where I definitely know this is true is China.  A practical example of this is 
the Big Bang theory.  The show the Big Bang Theory is banned in China, yes 
Sheldon is off limits.;).  So many citizens of China use methods ranging from 
different torrents, VPNs, net news (remember that one), SSH tunnels and more to 
build a bridge to a point in the clear where things are freely available like 
we’re used to in the west.  (For now anyway). Also in these countries many 
copies are ripped and traded not necessarily to steal them although they are 
but because they have no other method for the content and one lesson we never 
seem to learn as a society and species is that markets will always find a way 
and demand will always find a supply.  Whether it’s the absolute idiotic war on 
drugs, that foolish experiment that was repealed by the 21st amendment, or 
censorship a way is always found to fill the demand.  So while I definitely 
don’t support intellectual property theft, I am willing to cut folks in parts 
of the world where they aren’t as free some slack.  Also makes me appreciate 
what I have and where I live.  I think I’m inspired to go put some rounds down 
range, ah if it weren’t so late.;). I do think this is where the poster is 
going though.  Trade at your own risk and make your moral judgements 
accordingly.  I personally buy my content like it sounds like you do because I 
can and want to support the efforts of the artists but it’s easy for me to do 
so.  If I had to hide from Uncle Sam to watch my favorite show I might feel 
differently and have to take different steps.  It’s a big bad world out there.
 


> On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> So this is stolen property?
> I am not sure I understand the no other option idea.
> Karen
> 
> "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
> skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
> hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
> love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
> opposite." Nelson Mandela.
> 
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Nektarios Mallas wrote:
> 
>> Hi there.
>> I understand what you are saying, but I have no alternative or other options 
>> where I live.
>> As I said before, some stuff is available from the serotek network.
>> Other things I am getting from friends. You can also  subscribe to Net flix 
>> and they also have described content there.
>> 
>> Nektarios.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Sep 2017, at 23:43, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> where are you getting this from?
>>> Personally I prefer, *legal* sources,  and want to experience it as I would 
>>> with  a DVD, i. e. not just the description  but dialogue etc.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
>>> skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
>>> hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
>>> love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
>>> opposite." Nelson Mandela.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Nektarios Mallas wrote:
>>> 
 Hello.
 I have all seasons described in mp3 format.
 If you want it please contact me off list.
 I am also interested in other described content so, if someone can set up 
 an email list or drop box folder let me know.
 Since this is very much off topic I will not post other info here.
 Regards.
 Nektarios.
 
> On 7 Sep 2017, at 23:24, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
> 
> Is the rest of the series available with audio description as well? And 
> where are you getting it from?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Des Delgadillo  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry that last bit was meant for a different message, but the enclosed 
>> link was indeed for GOT series 7 with ad
>>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Des Delgadillo  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here you go, courtesy of Lee, our fearless leader. 
>>> https://www.sendspace.com/file/qlyjxu
 On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Eric Brinkman  
 wrote:
 
 I would like to watch this show with audio description as well, so 
 please reply on the list. I have been trying to get into the series 
 but find it very confusing without narration.
 
 Eric
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
> Hello all!
> 

What's the best method for changing the connected device with the air pods?

[Scott Granados]

So I’ve done some reading and am not finding much.  I’m wondering what people 
are using for a work flow here.  Say I’m connected to my iPhone and I want to 
connect to my Mac, is the only way to do this to use the bluetooth menu and 
select connect under the AirPods tree?  How about connecting back to the phone 
is there an easier method than going to settings, bluetooth and double tapping 
AirPods?  I read something about the control center but I can’t find the 
control.
Here’s another question, suppose I’m on the Mac paired and my phone 
rings, how do I get the phone to easily connect directly to the pods?  Should I 
just use FaceTime and handle the call over WiFi?  The lack of meaningful 
multipoint support is less than optimal.  What do you think any suggestions for 
optimizing my experience?  And I’ll be damned if I can’t figure out how to get 
the pods to work with the watch.  I’ve tried the power cycling and was going to 
try a full reset and initial pair again but that seems excessive.  Any 
suggestions would be appreciated.  I love the audio and the use of the pods 
with the censors and detection of things automatically is really something.  I 
love the charging case as well.  I just don’t get the lack of multipoint 
support.  I wonder if multipoint like APTX is property of Qualcomm.  That in 
itself may explain things, I know it explains the lack of APTX at least from 
what I’ve read.  I have not tried enabling apex personally.

Anyway, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks


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Re: Do Airpods Have a Delay?

[Scott Granados]

Hi, so I have a mid 2016 core I7 quad core 2.8 ghz with 16 GB ram, 1 TB SSD and 
it does nicely.

Also they do run well on the 
> 7 and 7+ both.

> On Sep 5, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott, which model MacBook Pro do you have? I have the 2015 retina also 
> wondering what the delay of the AirPods will be. Further I also have the 
> iPhone 7, but you say it's fine on the seven. 
> 
> Nickus
> Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...
> 
> On 05 Sep 2017, at 19:53, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, so it depends on the device you’re paired with.  The AirPods and my 
>> iPhone 7 are very good, very respectably low amount of delay.  My MacBook 
>> Pro has a tiny bit more delay when paired but very usable.  It’s orders of 
>> magnitude better than typical bluetooth.  The sound quality is also 
>> extremely good with the AirPods.  I’d go in that direction if making the 
>> call but maybe you can try them out and decide first hand.
>> 
>> Good luck
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Brandon Olivares <thepianist2...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need to get some new headphones. I'm deciding between the Airpods, or 
>>> Bose QC 20i.
>>> 
>>> I'm hesitant to get the Airpods, because in the past, bluetooth has always 
>>> had a noticible delay. Do the Airpods still have this issue?
>>> 
>>> This will be for an iMac.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brandon
>>> 
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Re: Do Airpods Have a Delay?

[Scott Granados]

The SE isn’t using some of the current extensions Apple makes available that 
the 7 uses for example.  This accounts for the performance issues.


> On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> 
> The airpods have little delay on the mac, they have a bit more on the
> iPhone god knows why, at least on my iPhone SE.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> On 9/5/17, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
>> I need to get some new headphones. I'm deciding between the Airpods, or Bose
>> QC 20i.
>> 
>> I'm hesitant to get the Airpods, because in the past, bluetooth has always
>> had a noticible delay. Do the Airpods still have this issue?
>> 
>> This will be for an iMac.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Do Airpods Have a Delay?

[Scott Granados]

Hi, so it depends on the device you’re paired with.  The AirPods and my iPhone 
7 are very good, very respectably low amount of delay.  My MacBook Pro has a 
tiny bit more delay when paired but very usable.  It’s orders of magnitude 
better than typical bluetooth.  The sound quality is also extremely good with 
the AirPods.  I’d go in that direction if making the call but maybe you can try 
them out and decide first hand.

Good luck

> On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> 
> I need to get some new headphones. I'm deciding between the Airpods, or Bose 
> QC 20i.
> 
> I'm hesitant to get the Airpods, because in the past, bluetooth has always 
> had a noticible delay. Do the Airpods still have this issue?
> 
> This will be for an iMac.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: AirPods and the watch, how do you get them to work together?

[Scott Granados]

I’ll give it a shot, thanks for the suggestion.


> On Sep 4, 2017, at 9:08 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Power cycle the watch. Then go to control center, airplay turn that on and 
> choose airpods. it is still buggy.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
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> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: AirPods and the watch, how do you get them to work together?
> 
> Title pretty much sums it up but here’s a bit more.  I have the AirPods 
> paired to my iPhone attached to iCloud, version 3.7.2 of the firmware 
> installed.  When I go to to the watch and hit settings, bluetooth, airpods I 
> get a failure to connect message.
>   Also, is there a more elegant way of switching between devices.  Apple 
> seems behind the times making the user manually connect.  The regular 
> multipoint bluetooth automatically switches you to the active device with out 
> having to touch any settings.  I’m figuring this is operator error on my part 
> so any pointers would be most appreciated.
>   Other than the switching devices issues, the pods are amazing.
> 
> Thanks.
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AirPods and the watch, how do you get them to work together?

[Scott Granados]

Title pretty much sums it up but here’s a bit more.  I have the AirPods paired 
to my iPhone attached to iCloud, version 3.7.2 of the firmware installed.  When 
I go to to the watch and hit settings, bluetooth, airpods I get a failure to 
connect message.
Also, is there a more elegant way of switching between devices.  Apple 
seems behind the times making the user manually connect.  The regular 
multipoint bluetooth automatically switches you to the active device with out 
having to touch any settings.  I’m figuring this is operator error on my part 
so any pointers would be most appreciated.
Other than the switching devices issues, the pods are amazing.

Thanks.

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Re: Social Media and Preparedness

[Scott Granados]

Things haven’t changed that much, porn is still one of the biggest financial 
drivers on the internet.  A very large percentage of the over all traffic is 
adult content.  When I was running my carrier business I had several adult 
content providers as customers.  They were some of the best clients you could 
ask for.  Always wanting more and more bandwidth, paid on time every time and 
pushed a lot of traffic that was destined for over seas networks making peering 
attractive for overseas players helping me build connections that delivered 
very good international connectivity.  The South Koreans for example download a 
massive amount of US adult content.  Helped me set up several lasting 
relationships with Koreatel and KDDI Japan.:)
Adult content is also in a small way helping the adoption of IPv6.  At 
one point there was a porn site that was available completely for free but only 
over IPv6.  It motivated a few folks to deploy a dual stack arrangement if you 
know what I mean.:). Free adult content is a motivator.




> On Sep 4, 2017, at 12:01 PM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is good and bad in most things.  Years ago, the older ones viewed 
> computers as A just another book keeping device or B a way of getting porn 
> secretly. I heard one of those comments a long time ago.  Face book was used 
> to advertise the opening of a new restaurant. Also, as mentioned when there 
> were forest fires in B C, a way of giving updates and notifying friends that 
> one was alright and keeping them a breast of evacuation orders.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: September 4, 2017 8:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Social Media and Preparedness
> 
> Tim,
>This is what is swinging me around to use the apps. You would probably 
> agree the benefits outweigh the garbage. I have friends in Texas who felt the 
> power of Harvey but were far enough away to be safe.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/4/2017 8:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> FaceBook has a nice feature that lets people know that you're safe during an 
>> emergency situation.  Last year during the evacuation of Fort McMurray due 
>> to the wildfire, a notification popped into our FaceBook feed stating 
>> something to the nature of "Let your friends and family know your safe".  We 
>> were able to let all our FaceBook contacts know that we had made it out 
>> safely and were OK.  This was a huge relief for many of our friends and 
>> family as they followed the scary news of the event.  Now, this certainly 
>> isn't foolproof as one needs a device like an iPhone, and some sort of 
>> method by which you can connect to FaceBook, like active cell towers, in 
>> order for this to be of any service.  But it is very useful in my opinion.  
>> This, along with follow-up groups etc gave me a new appreciation for the 
>> power of social media like FaceBook during emergency events.  Granted, 
>> there's a ton of garbage on FaceBook and other social media platforms, but 
>> this feature certainly was positive.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 4, 2017, at 09:08, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I love Youtube so much cool and fun stuff there. I tend to use twitter 
>> for a lot of my social media needs. I kind of work like you Scott when 
>> it comes to Social media. Gave up on facebook last year for the most 
>> part. I might log in every now and then.
>> 
>> On 9/4/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> I find it really difficult to cut a line of facebook or twitter on a 
>>> mirror and then snort it through my straw.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Monday, 4 September 2017 3:19 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Social Media and Preparedness
>>> 
>>> I don’t find it addicting but that’s me.  I think the closest I get 
>>> is I do like watching content on youtube and other video sources but 
>>> I’m more of a passive user of so

Re: The coolest, best and strangest tech of IFA 2017 - CNET

[Scott Granados]

I want something like R2D2 that could do my soldering for me and be like your 
robot mechanic little buddy.  

> On Sep 4, 2017, at 11:09 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> That would be awesome I would totally want to buy one.
> 
> On 9/4/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Ok, I'm interested in the fridge that rolls around after the user.
>> 
>> How great would that be at a party?
>> 
>> Hey fridge, I need a new drink!
>> And there it is with a cold beverage in your hand...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Sunday, 3 September 2017 5:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: The coolest, best and strangest tech of IFA 2017 - CNET
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I am posting the following article as a general interest piece as I think it
>> important for us to be aware of new and exciting technology that may, some
>> day, affect us all.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> The coolest, best and strangest tech of IFA 2017 - CNET
>> 
>> CNET News - Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 4:00 AM The coolest, best and
>> strangest tech of IFA 2017 - CNET If you want all the hottest new tech
>> gathered in one place, you want IFA.
>> CNET spent the week in Berlin for this year's edition of the long-enduring
>> tech trade show to find out what we'll be talking about over the next 12
>> months.
>> IFA 2017 featured companies coming up with a vast range of increasingly
>> connected, increasingly smart and increasingly voice-controlled devices.
>> Amazon's Alexa dominated the show by appearing in a wealth of products that
>> talk back to you, while products in the burgeoning smart home section ranged
>> from the very useful to the increasingly wacky (like appliances with
>> multiple doors and a mobile mini fridge that trundles round after you).
>> Voice control
>> As with CES back in January, Alexa has been the talk of the show, so to
>> speak. We've counted 24 products (so far) introducing Alexa support here.
>> Third-party device support for Alexa has flourished in the US, and the trend
>> appears to be continuing in Germany. You can ask smart speakers, docks and
>> TVs like the Lenovo Home Assistant or Toshiba 4K tellies to play music or
>> movies, or you can order robots like the Bosch Roxxter vacuum and LG Lawn
>> Mower to take care of your chores. Here's a full list of Alexa-powered
>> products.
>> Amazon also announced this week that Alexa will soon be able to talk to
>> Microsoft's Cortana, a rival voice system. A few products also opted to
>> integrate multiple voice systems: The Moto X4 and LG V30 smartphones, for
>> instance, offer Alexa as well as Google Assistant. Here's a list of Google
>> Assistant devices from IFA.
>> Then there's audio brand Harman, which has elected to put Alexa into the
>> high-end Harman Kardon Allure speaker and Google Assistant into the cheaper
>> JBL Link -- make of that what you will.
>> Phones
>> If you're an aspiring or full-time YouTuber or Instagrammer, the LG V30 may
>> be the phone for you thanks to its nifty video and photo features.
>> For the rest of us, the feature-packed Moto X4 does a little bit of
>> everything. It has two cameras (with flash for selfies), water-proofing,
>> Amazon Alexa and Bluetooth that connects to four speakers or headphones to
>> get the party started.
>> And while voice-controlled smartphones are hurtling into the next generation
>> of interface, you'll be pleased to hear BlackBerry is catching up with the
>> last generation, announcing an all-touchscreen phone for later this year.
>> Virtual, augmented, mixed reality
>> Let's get real for a moment -- but are we talking virtual reality, augmented
>> reality or mixed reality? Various new headsets were launched at IFA to give
>> you a range of VR, AR and MR.
>> Asus, Acer, Dell and HP are all producing Windows Mixed Reality headsets,
>> but Lenovo's Explorer sounds like the most fun. It has scored a deal to
>> create a lightsaber controller for Star Wars Jedi swordfights in VR.
>> Smart homes
>> The appliance side of the show held a few surprises. Laundry care was a
>> major highlight at almost every large-appliance booth. Samsung's QuickDrive
>> washing machine claims to wash a standard load of clothes in half the time
>> and with less energy than traditional washers. Electrolux says its
>> PerfectCare washer and dryer lineup will clean clothes you'd normally need
>> to send out for dry cleaning.
>> In addition to its own "whisper quiet" washing machines, Bosch also
>> demonstrated a concept device called X-Spect. It's a handheld scanner for
>> both laundry and food items that determines what they're made of and then
>> sends cleaning or cooking instructions, respectively, to appliances around
>> your home.
>> For the kitchen, Miele's Dialog oven was one of the most impressive things
>> we saw here. It uses a combination of 

Re: Social Media and Preparedness

[Scott Granados]

This makes sense and cell service is pretty reliable even during these natural 
disasters.  Some carriers put more emphasis on disaster recovery than others, 
Verizon for example used to build generators in to all of their major towers 
and distribution points, others might focus lesss on generators but might have 
batteries which would carry for a while and so forth.  Even during Harvey the 
news gathering organizations were having some success using the cell networks 
for their broadcasts.  A lot of locations are going to smaller cells more 
densely placed so there aren’t the big towers to fall over and be damaged in 
the wind.  YOu’ll have little devices the size of lunch boxes scattered on 
poles and roofs so you can lose some sites but still be fully functional.  They 
also form wireless meshes so there’s fewer physical fibers and cables to break 
and disrupt communications.  Definitely aren’t perfect yet and you still need 
that old battery operated transistor radio in case the sites go out and you 
have 0 communication but at least thought is being put in to designing networks 
that with stand these events now.



> On Sep 4, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> FaceBook has a nice feature that lets people know that you're safe during an 
> emergency situation.  Last year during the evacuation of Fort McMurray due to 
> the wildfire, a notification popped into our FaceBook feed stating something 
> to the nature of "Let your friends and family know your safe".  We were able 
> to let all our FaceBook contacts know that we had made it out safely and were 
> OK.  This was a huge relief for many of our friends and family as they 
> followed the scary news of the event.  Now, this certainly isn't foolproof as 
> one needs a device like an iPhone, and some sort of method by which you can 
> connect to FaceBook, like active cell towers, in order for this to be of any 
> service.  But it is very useful in my opinion.  This, along with follow-up 
> groups etc gave me a new appreciation for the power of social media like 
> FaceBook during emergency events.  Granted, there's a ton of garbage on 
> FaceBook and other social media platforms, but this feature certainly was 
> positive.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 4, 2017, at 09:08, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I love Youtube so much cool and fun stuff there. I tend to use twitter
> for a lot of my social media needs. I kind of work like you Scott when
> it comes to Social media. Gave up on facebook last year for the most
> part. I might log in every now and then.
> 
> On 9/4/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> I find it really difficult to cut a line of facebook or twitter on a mirror
>> and then snort it through my straw.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Monday, 4 September 2017 3:19 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Social Media and Preparedness
>> 
>> I don’t find it addicting but that’s me.  I think the closest I get is I do
>> like watching content on youtube and other video sources but I’m more of a
>> passive user of social media.  I get news aggregated on twitter and so
>> forth.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2017, at 10:01 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks that did help. I promise myself I will not become addicted to
>>> this. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
>>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/3/2017 6:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> O in my opinion Facebook is what you would use to stay connected with
>>>> your family and friends and twitter would be the best for gathering news
>>>> and staying informed.  You could follow the news sites or aggregators you
>>>> want and quickly get the latest.
>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:32 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not a fan of social media. But given how it can be used in times
>>>>> of emergency, I may relent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which would be ideal for me to sign up with, and the most useful,
>>>>> Facebook or Twitter?

Re: Social Media and Preparedness

[Scott Granados]

I don’t find it addicting but that’s me.  I think the closest I get is I do 
like watching content on youtube and other video sources but I’m more of a 
passive user of social media.  I get news aggregated on twitter and so forth.


> On Sep 3, 2017, at 10:01 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Thanks that did help. I promise myself I will not become addicted to this. 
> (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/3/2017 6:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> O in my opinion Facebook is what you would use to stay connected with your 
>> family and friends and twitter would be the best for gathering news and 
>> staying informed.  You could follow the news sites or aggregators you want 
>> and quickly get the latest.
>> Hope that helps.
>>> On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:32 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I am not a fan of social media. But given how it can be used in times of 
>>> emergency, I may relent.
>>> 
>>>   Which would be ideal for me to sign up with, and the most useful, 
>>> Facebook or Twitter? I would only use an iDevice for this.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Social Media and Preparedness

[Scott Granados]

O in my opinion Facebook is what you would use to stay connected with your 
family and friends and twitter would be the best for gathering news and staying 
informed.  You could follow the news sites or aggregators you want and quickly 
get the latest.

Hope that helps.

> On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:32 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I am not a fan of social media. But given how it can be used in times of 
> emergency, I may relent.
> 
>   Which would be ideal for me to sign up with, and the most useful, Facebook 
> or Twitter? I would only use an iDevice for this.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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Re: 22 positive, practical things you can do to feel better about yourself and the world, USA Today

[Scott Granados]

No problem, putting me on moderation status just makes it that much easier to 
decide which lists to weed out since I wanted to cut back on a few.

> On Sep 3, 2017, at 8:48 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Best this article was sent to North Courier as he could think on all this 
> before killing us all with his bomb!  And don't comment or you'll have Cara 
> putting you on moderation status, I hope you got that Scott, oh I forgot you 
> were already on that, actually I was kidding as I have not forgotten.  Sorry, 
> I couldn't resist after hearing the news this morning.  No doubt I'll be in 
> trouble now, that don't worry me in the slightest.
>> On 3 Sep 2017, at 00:23, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Given the recent turmoil in the world, Cara and I decided to post the
>> following article to both the Mac Visionaries and V iPhone mailing list.
>> 
>> We hope you find it useful.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 22 positive, practical things you can do to feel better about yourself and
>> the worldz
>> USA Today Network
>> By Anne Godlasky, USA TODAY, Published 1:14 p.m. ET Aug. 31, 2017 | Updated
>> 9:33 a.m. ET Sept. 1, 2017
>> 
>> If all you can do is crawl, start crawling. -Rumi
>> 
>> In other words, do something even if it's small. These words of wisdom (from
>> the famed poet, not the Beyonce twin) are especially fitting now when the
>> world seems more complex and polarized than ever.
>> 
>> "Small actions can make a huge difference. When you think about what has
>> 'made your day,' it's often small acts of kindness given or received," said
>> Meg Selig, author of Changepower! 37 Secrets to Habit Change Success. "So
>> much research shows that helping others - which some call 'mitzvah therapy'
>> - leads to happiness."
>> 
>> Get started by picking and choosing from this list of "actionable" everyday
>> ideas - crowdsourced from readers, fellow journalists and psychology experts
>> 
>> 1. Before you get into an online war of words, take a breath.
>> If you are itching to deploy a withering retort to someone on Facebook,
>> think about how you would frame it if the roles were reversed. Are you
>> name-calling and giving in to your worst, knee-jerk instincts? Or are you
>> making thoughtful arguments focused solely on ideas, policies and values?
>> Edit your comment, if necessary, so that you can answer "no" to the first
>> question and "yes" to the second.
>> "Getting into a war of words with others who don't share your views hardly
>> ever makes things better," said Toni Bernhard, who's written books on living
>> well. "People are deeply attached to their views ... so I don't recommend
>> that you try to talk people out of their opinions. It's time wasted that
>> could be spent doing something constructive for yourself or others."
>> 
>> 2. Get offline
>> If disengaging from negative comments doesn't work, consider limiting your
>> "intake of disturbing news stories and opinion articles," says Selig.
>> "Think about what is important to [you] and then go and do that, regardless
>> of the latest social media 'outrage cycle,'" said Selig. "Too much revolving
>> around [it] could just knock a person off balance."
>> Unplugging from technology also gives you a chance to connect with people
>> face to face and better observe nature and the world.
>> 
>> 3. Commute kindly.
>> It's nobody's favorite part of the day, but that doesn't mean you have to
>> cut people off, tailgate or otherwise exhibit road rage. Let people merge.
>> Sing in the car. Don't push on the subway. Find music or podcasts that
>> invigorate or enlighten you so you can walk into work or home a little
>> happier.
>> 
>> 4. Take a CPR/First Aid course.
>> You could save a life someday. Find a Red Cross class near you.
>> 
>> 5. Tell your spouse, your bae, your buddy you love them.
>> If you feel it, let them know.
>> "Expressions of love are a wonderful way to give support," Selig said.
>> "Sometimes just to know someone else cares helps you feel stronger and more
>> resilient."
>> 
>> 6. Reach out.
>> If you know a family member, friend or even just an acquaintance is going
>> through a hard time, reach out to them - don't assume someone else will do
>> it. It's OK if you don't know what to say. Just listen. Remember if they're
>> grieving or have experienced a trauma, they'll likely receive an immediate
>> outpouring of kindness, only to face a drought months later when their need
>> remains but others think they should be over it. You could even set up a
>> calendar reminder to check in.
>> 
>> 7. Give time.
>> You know how we said "just listen"? That goes for everyday interactions,
>> too. Ask "how are you?" and mean it. Give them time to answer. Go a little
>> bigger: Do "microvolunteering" from the comfort of your couch through
>> HelpFromHome.org or Skills for Change. Go bigger still: Give your time to a
>> food bank, a tutoring program, a community garden. Check out volunteer
>> opportunities 

Re: Prepare for disaster: How your smartphone can help in an emergency, USA Today

[Scott Granados]

Not very yet, it’s very new.  I know they are looking at installing video and 
everything up here but that’s still pretty cutting edge.  Towns are just 
starting to rally get in to unified communications in a big way.

> On Sep 2, 2017, at 11:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>   You probably can answer this one. How widespread are the 0-1-1 call centers 
> that support text?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/2/2017 6:08 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Prepare for disaster: How your smartphone can help in an emergency
>> By  Marc Saltzman, USA TODAY
>> Hurricane Harvey has knocked out a lot of the regular communications
>> infrastructure in parts of Texas, but a walkie talkie-like app has emerged
>> to fill the need. USA TODAY Patrick Tobias seals his phone in a bag after
>> taking a picture of his flooded car, behind, as he stands in floodwater from
>> Tropical Storm Harvey Wednesday, Aug. 30, 2017, in Kingwood, Texas. (Photo:
>> AP Photo/Gregory Bull) The catastrophic events caused by Hurricane Harvey
>> put smartphones to the test , raising the question about what our trusty
>> mobile companions can do to help in crises like these. After all, we rely on
>> these pocket-sized supercomputers for much of our lives, in a normal state,
>> so surely they can be useful during natural disasters, among other grave
>> situations one might find themselves in. Your survival plan should include
>> your smartphone, and there are a few things you can do in advance for
>> emergency preparedness, but you won't be able to rely on your mobile device
>> for everything. Some thoughts, tips, and tricks to consider for the future:
>> Rhonda Worthington talks on her cell phone with a 911 dispatcher as she gets
>> out of her car after her vehicle become stalled in rising floodwaters from
>> Harvey in Houston on Aug. 28. (Photo: LM Otero, AP) According to the Federal
>> Communications Commission (FCC), only 4% of the nearly 7,800 cell sites in
>> Harvey's path were knocked out, affecting nearly 150,000 people. By
>> comparison, more than 1,000 cell sites were inoperable during Hurricane
>> Katrina in 2005, leaving millions without connectivity. In other words,
>> communications networks are getting better at weathering major natural
>> events like hurricanes. It's not perfect ' residents in Rockport, Texas,
>> suffered the biggest outage last week, and therefore you can't assume you'll
>> have service in these situations. You do not need to have an active phone
>> plan to call 9-1-1 from any smartphone. (Photo: AT/Handout) Presuming
>> there is cellular service, people are encouraged to send text messages and
>> emails and posts notifications to Facebook and Twitter about their
>> whereabouts and immediate needs, or to look up where local shelters are. If
>> your smartphone doesn't have coverage in the area you're in during an
>> emergency, or you don't have an active cell plan, you can still reach 9-1-1
>> from your mobile phone. You can also text 9-1-1, perhaps if you're unable to
>> talk or need to be silent (perhaps in a terrorist situation), but you must
>> first be registered for the T9-1-1 service with your wireless service
>> provider. Because you don't need to pay for cell service to call 9-1-1, it's
>> not a bad idea to keep an old and deactivated phone in your emergency kit.
>> More: Why you might want to own a 'burner phone In the event you have power
>> and Wi-Fi but no cellular, there are apps that let you make video and audio
>> calls for help. (Photo: Skype/handout) While not as likely, you might find
>> yourself in a situation where you've got Wi-Fi, but no cellular service. But
>> that doesn't mean you can't still make phone calls. Using apps like Facebook
>> Messenger, Google Duo, Viber, and Fring lets you make free phone calls over
>> Wi-Fi ' even if there's no cell service. Some may require you setting this
>> up ahead of time. Skype is also free to another Skype user, and in the event
>> you need to call a landline or mobile phone, it's dirt cheap to do so at
>> about 10 cents per call (if that), but it does require you to deposit a bit
>> of cash ('Skype Credits') into your account. Some phones are waterproof,
>> which could help during some natural disaster, or else pick up a waterproof
>> case or seal your electronics in a Ziploc bag. (Photo: Samsung/handout) But
>> if your phone can't withstand water, none of this may matter, and so you
>> have a few choices to make going forward. One is to invest in a waterproof
>> phone, such as the latest Samsung Galaxy or iPhone models. Samsung's latest
>> crop of devices are IP68-rated ('Ingress Protection'), meaning it could be
>> submerged in water up to 5 feet and for up to 30 minutes, while iPhone 7 is
>> IP67-certified 

Re: opinions wanted.

[Scott Granados]

Hi, other than laptops, I do not think there will be new Macs next year.  They 
take a long time between update cycles on the old computer hardware in recent 
days.

> On Sep 2, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I will have sold my I Mac by the end of next week beginning the 11th of 
> September.
> 
> I plan to buy a new I Mac next year as of now am using My 2014 MacMini.
> 
> What I want to know is, do you all think there will be a new I Mac line next 
> September?
> 
> I wish I won the Lottery then I could get the I Mac Pro but it's not 
> affordable for me this year.
> 
> All opinions welcome.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: 22 positive, practical things you can do to feel better about yourself and the world, USA Today

[Scott Granados]

Mark, this was a great post!

I like  I think it was number 12 about continuing to learn.

Thank you for taking the time to post.

> On Sep 2, 2017, at 7:23 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Given the recent turmoil in the world, Cara and I decided to post the
> following article to both the Mac Visionaries and V iPhone mailing list.
> 
> We hope you find it useful.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 22 positive, practical things you can do to feel better about yourself and
> the worldz
> USA Today Network
> By Anne Godlasky, USA TODAY, Published 1:14 p.m. ET Aug. 31, 2017 | Updated
> 9:33 a.m. ET Sept. 1, 2017
> 
> If all you can do is crawl, start crawling. -Rumi
> 
> In other words, do something even if it's small. These words of wisdom (from
> the famed poet, not the Beyonce twin) are especially fitting now when the
> world seems more complex and polarized than ever.
> 
> "Small actions can make a huge difference. When you think about what has
> 'made your day,' it's often small acts of kindness given or received," said
> Meg Selig, author of Changepower! 37 Secrets to Habit Change Success. "So
> much research shows that helping others - which some call 'mitzvah therapy'
> - leads to happiness."
> 
> Get started by picking and choosing from this list of "actionable" everyday
> ideas - crowdsourced from readers, fellow journalists and psychology experts
> 
> 1. Before you get into an online war of words, take a breath.
> If you are itching to deploy a withering retort to someone on Facebook,
> think about how you would frame it if the roles were reversed. Are you
> name-calling and giving in to your worst, knee-jerk instincts? Or are you
> making thoughtful arguments focused solely on ideas, policies and values?
> Edit your comment, if necessary, so that you can answer "no" to the first
> question and "yes" to the second.
> "Getting into a war of words with others who don't share your views hardly
> ever makes things better," said Toni Bernhard, who's written books on living
> well. "People are deeply attached to their views ... so I don't recommend
> that you try to talk people out of their opinions. It's time wasted that
> could be spent doing something constructive for yourself or others."
> 
> 2. Get offline
> If disengaging from negative comments doesn't work, consider limiting your
> "intake of disturbing news stories and opinion articles," says Selig.
> "Think about what is important to [you] and then go and do that, regardless
> of the latest social media 'outrage cycle,'" said Selig. "Too much revolving
> around [it] could just knock a person off balance."
> Unplugging from technology also gives you a chance to connect with people
> face to face and better observe nature and the world.
> 
> 3. Commute kindly.
> It's nobody's favorite part of the day, but that doesn't mean you have to
> cut people off, tailgate or otherwise exhibit road rage. Let people merge.
> Sing in the car. Don't push on the subway. Find music or podcasts that
> invigorate or enlighten you so you can walk into work or home a little
> happier.
> 
> 4. Take a CPR/First Aid course.
> You could save a life someday. Find a Red Cross class near you.
> 
> 5. Tell your spouse, your bae, your buddy you love them.
> If you feel it, let them know.
> "Expressions of love are a wonderful way to give support," Selig said.
> "Sometimes just to know someone else cares helps you feel stronger and more
> resilient."
> 
> 6. Reach out.
> If you know a family member, friend or even just an acquaintance is going
> through a hard time, reach out to them - don't assume someone else will do
> it. It's OK if you don't know what to say. Just listen. Remember if they're
> grieving or have experienced a trauma, they'll likely receive an immediate
> outpouring of kindness, only to face a drought months later when their need
> remains but others think they should be over it. You could even set up a
> calendar reminder to check in.
> 
> 7. Give time.
> You know how we said "just listen"? That goes for everyday interactions,
> too. Ask "how are you?" and mean it. Give them time to answer. Go a little
> bigger: Do "microvolunteering" from the comfort of your couch through
> HelpFromHome.org or Skills for Change. Go bigger still: Give your time to a
> food bank, a tutoring program, a community garden. Check out volunteer
> opportunities through your place of worship, school or community center. As
> philosopher Simone Weil said: Attention is the rarest and purest form of
> generosity.
> 
> 8. Give money.
> Set up recurring donations to causes you care about. Make sure they're legit
> (i.e. putting your money toward programming) by checking their rating on
> CharityNavigator, GuideStar or the Better Business Bureau's Wise Giving
> guide.
> 
> 9. Give better gifts.
> Unfortunately, "a donation has been made in your name" doesn't always spark
> a smile in the recipient - especially a kid! But you can still give stuff
> and have it at least partly benefit 

Re:

[Scott Granados]

And worth every penny as a side note.  Love the new magic keyboard.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:19 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, about $129.
> 
> On 1 Sep 2017, at 18:56, Matthew Dierckens  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> Apple now has a bluetooth keyboard with a builtin numpad.
>> Unsure of the American pricing.
>> HTH.
>> God bless.
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
>> JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
>> Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
>> U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
>> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:11, Vaughn Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> I am wanting to use an external numb pad with ProTools on my laptop.
>>> Are there any suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Vaughn
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[Scott Granados]

Hi, there’s no need at all to add Linux.  Your Mac already has a fully 
functional unix shell under the hood.  This is what the terminal program gives 
you access too.  You could for example enable ssh so that your Mac receives 
connections and your brother could remotely log in.  He’d be at home in the BSD 
unix environment that the pretty pictures on the Mac run on.:)

As for the busy messages, I would back up your dada, immediately reformat your 
disk and restore it.  Time Machine is a great application for just this 
project.  Your file system is likely either corrupted or possibly to full.  If 
you’re running out of disk this could also cause the problem and can be helped 
with deleting files but in my experience the defragmentation on a Mac on 
rotating drives had problems over time.

So in order I’d backup your disk completely, enter recovery mode, reformat the 
disk, reinstall the OS and restore what you want.  You could also restore the 
full backup and skip the second step but you might restore any applications 
causing problems so it’s your call.

That’s my $.02

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:50 PM, regina alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi: My Mini is a 2015. It has an old style disk drive. Hope this helps you to 
> help me. I may in the future look to adding Lenox as this would help my 
> brother with working with my Mac. He uses Lenox and is my go to person if 
> Mini is not working correctly, although I am learning more every day. 
> However, putting another operating system on my Mac is far above my pay grade 
> right now. Yes, he could teach me lenox.
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> 
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:nimerjab...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Busy messages happen to me on a Macbook pro, fully specked out, SSD and a 
> bunch of ram and all. They equally happen on a MB air... not sure the cause, 
> and not sure why some experience this and others don't, but this has been my 
> biggest headache with the Mac, and one that causes me to revert to Windows or 
> Linux to achieve productive browsing. Honestly, Safari and an external 
> keyboard on the iPhone is much, much better.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:57 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> What vintage is your Mini, is it new or older?  Also, do you have an SSD 
> drive or rotating old style hard disk?  I ask because this information would 
> help me determine both whether you should upgrade or not and what’s causing 
> the busy messages.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:54 PM, regina alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I can 
> > change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with vo-arrows, 
> > oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in mail also. Once 
> > I wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I can do to 
> > alleviate this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text in safari 
> > once you are on the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning and 
> > determined to understand apple operating system. Oh, I know high sierra is 
> > coming. I currently have el Capitan. I was told by a person in 
> > Accessibility that I don't want to upgrade any further as my Mini is like a 
> > first computer for someone like a grandmother or a user who only wanted 
> > internet and mail and perhaps music or such basic things. I am happy with 
> > this, though I have no grandchildren. What does everyone think about this. 
> > Should I upgrade to any of the higher like sierra? I was told there would 
> > be less lag if I stayed on El Capitan.
> >
> >
> >
> > Reggie and Lex
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Re: a

[Scott Granados]

Nimer, maybe I can be of help.  Typically this is caused by damaged 
filesystems.  I’m curious about you having this with SSD as well.  I do 
occasionally but by occasionally I mean maybe 1 out of 100 sites.  I have seen 
applications have memory problems also and enter this state but typically a 
fresh format and restore from a backup does the trick.  I know for certain I 
experienced this far more with a rotating disk which is why I asked the 
question.  Seems like the sort of thing we should be able to figure out with 
some sort of resource monitor like top.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Busy messages happen to me on a Macbook pro, fully specked out, SSD and a 
> bunch of ram and all. They equally happen on a MB air... not sure the cause, 
> and not sure why some experience this and others don't, but this has been my 
> biggest headache with the Mac, and one that causes me to revert to Windows or 
> Linux to achieve productive browsing. Honestly, Safari and an external 
> keyboard on the iPhone is much, much better.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:57 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> What vintage is your Mini, is it new or older?  Also, do you have an SSD 
> drive or rotating old style hard disk?  I ask because this information would 
> help me determine both whether you should upgrade or not and what’s causing 
> the busy messages.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:54 PM, regina alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I can 
> > change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with vo-arrows, 
> > oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in mail also. Once 
> > I wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I can do to 
> > alleviate this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text in safari 
> > once you are on the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning and 
> > determined to understand apple operating system. Oh, I know high sierra is 
> > coming. I currently have el Capitan. I was told by a person in 
> > Accessibility that I don't want to upgrade any further as my Mini is like a 
> > first computer for someone like a grandmother or a user who only wanted 
> > internet and mail and perhaps music or such basic things. I am happy with 
> > this, though I have no grandchildren. What does everyone think about this. 
> > Should I upgrade to any of the higher like sierra? I was told there would 
> > be less lag if I stayed on El Capitan.
> >
> >
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Re: a

[Scott Granados]

What vintage is your Mini, is it new or older?  Also, do you have an SSD drive 
or rotating old style hard disk?  I ask because this information would help me 
determine both whether you should upgrade or not and what’s causing the busy 
messages.

Thanks
Scott

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:54 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I can 
> change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with vo-arrows, 
> oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in mail also. Once I 
> wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I can do to alleviate 
> this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text in safari once you are 
> on the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning and determined to 
> understand apple operating system. Oh, I know high sierra is coming. I 
> currently have el Capitan. I was told by a person in Accessibility that I 
> don't want to upgrade any further as my Mini is like a first computer for 
> someone like a grandmother or a user who only wanted internet and mail and 
> perhaps music or such basic things. I am happy with this, though I have no 
> grandchildren. What does everyone think about this. Should I upgrade to any 
> of the higher like sierra? I was told there would be less lag if I stayed on 
> El Capitan.
> 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Actually Phil, you can install tinder on your phone and get positive results.;)

And you’re ok, love that response.  Made me laugh and I’m fighting a battle 
with a Talari T5000 traffic appliance and need all the yucks I can get.  Love 
these magic black boxes that nobody knows how they work under the hood.  Good 
times.

That was very clever and I like the use of humor there.  Well played sir.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Hey Toto, for all your bitching about the kind of answers you're receiving, 
> you did say in your original post "all answers whatsoever are acceptable". If 
> you don't like what you're hearing tough. I'm beginning to wonder if Scott 
> isn't right about you being a troll.
> And, I still think you should open your mouth and just ask somebody for help. 
> It might get you laid,☺️ see if your phone can do that for you.
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. 
>> I didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and 
>> way above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and 
>> with guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There 
>> isn't a guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the 
>> woods. There are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going 
>> to tell me you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed 
>> flawlessly, I am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask 
>> for help with my f'in guide dog.
>> 
>> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>  How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>>> E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
 you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
 Chuck
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
 of the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
 belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
 CR
 
 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
> 
>  A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
>> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
>> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
>> available on your phone.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
>>> camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
>>> always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
>>> what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
>>> tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
>>> are acceptable.
>>> 
>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone 
>>> is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am 
>>> willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to 
>>> update my phone.
>>> 
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Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

There’s just something cool about fluffy domesticating us instead of the other 
way around.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:06 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Definitely true and definitely way more than 6,000 years ago when the wolf 
> began to domesticate humans.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/1/2017 8:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Actually David you’re a little historically inaccurate in a way.  I see your 
>> point but let’s remember, dogs selected humans originally through out 
>> history it wasn’t humans who captured and tamed the dogs.  Way back in 
>> prehistoric times (again more than 6000 years ago for the mentally 
>> deficient) dogs selected humans to be close to for what reason, food!  Dogs 
>> leveraged their cute furry nature and eventually came in close enough to 
>> humans around fires because of the food being cooked.  We all know how our 
>> furry friends can be they started to leverage their cuteness and turn that 
>> in to a meal.  As time passed humans began to use food to start to work with 
>> the dogs and then over time more detailed and advanced training methods were 
>> developed.  Training a dog with a treat is as natural a method as any and is 
>> probably the oldest method historically speaking.  You’re absolutely right 
>> that verbal praise can be a good positive reenforcement so let’s say that 
>> you’re both right.
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>>> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  
>>> Dogs don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  
>>> What do they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly 
>>> trying to buy the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well 
>>> done with verbal praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a 
>>> contented and hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the 
>>> handler's sake, to buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. 
>>> However, as mentioned dogs should not be free fed just as people should not 
>>> be eating all the time either. I have worked with dogs most have condemned 
>>> to be euthanized and, have rarely used treats to motivate them to work.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip
>>> 
>>>Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
>>> for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check 
>>> every week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
>>>> After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
>>>> well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the 
>>>> camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally 
>>>> blind persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person 
>>>> who hopefully was flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, 
>>>> must be a certified trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in 
>>>> the U S.  Who, if they are not suggesting they will give you a guide if 
>>>> you have or provide sex for them and if you don't you don't get a guide 
>>>> dog.  Or, they find some fictitious reason to keep back a guide dog and 
>>>> send you home sans guide dog because they secretly take a bribe to keep 
>>>> the dog so when, they retire the following year, they have a nest egg to 
>>>> fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who on an interview with 
>>>> a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, clear directions 
>>>> were

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

 you then squat!
>> 
>> And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.
>> 
>>  Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.
>> 
>> If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
>> kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction 
>> of the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it 
>> should.
>> 
>>  Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different
>> but surely the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out
>> for you on the return
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:47 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
>> 
>> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But 
>> I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. 
>> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your 
>> device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried 
>> this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you 
>> have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you 
>> lost service. So I hope this clarifies things.
>>  Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is not correct.
>>> 
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>>>> weight and only good for books and games.
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>>>>> its E.T.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your
>>>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>>>>> Hey EAT,
>>>>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>>>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction
>>>>>> and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck
>>>>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the
>>>>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent 
>>>>>> Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
>>>>>> Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>>>>> CR
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>>>>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
>>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
>>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well, you coul

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

All I can say is wow.

We went from iPhones on camping trips to sex for dogs schemes.  I’m not sure 
what to say.

I think this is where I get off the thread because um, wow.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
> well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the 
> camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind 
> persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who 
> hopefully was flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be 
> a certified trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  
> Who, if they are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or 
> provide sex for them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they 
> find some fictitious reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans 
> guide dog because they secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they 
> retire the following year, they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot 
> to mention the trainer who on an interview with a potential guide dog user, 
> asked where the bathroom was, clear directions were given but, on the way to 
> that room, he opened closed doors and looked in each room including passing 
> the washroom and looking in that bedroom as well. One must wonder if he 
> cannot follow clear directions to a place.  How can he properly train a dog? 
> Or, if he does that in a stranger's home, what will he do on class?  Will he 
> too, make a nocturnal visit to a female student's bedroom and have sex with 
> her as well? These kinds of male and female trainers give the good trainers a 
> bad name and the schools where they are working as well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> I don't really get this,
> 
> What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?
> 
> Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see 
> you then squat!
> 
> And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.
> 
> Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.
> 
> If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
> kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction 
> of the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it 
> should.
> 
> Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different but surely 
> the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out for you on the 
> return
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But 
> I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. 
> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your 
> device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried 
> this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you 
> have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost 
> service. So I hope this clarifies things.
>   Joseph Hudson
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> This is not correct.
>> 
>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
>> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>> required however.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>>> weight and only good for books and games.
>

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

David, something needed to be said.  Todor / Chris / Joseph or what ever 
personality is dominant right now has been problem on list for over a decade 
now.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 6:52 PM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> They both need to move on and stop sniping each other on list.  Scott did not 
> have to be sarcastic and Joseph did not have to respond in kind.  Where there 
> is no wood, there is no fire.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: August 31, 2017 2:02 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
>Good grief, Joseph, grow up.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 1:07 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
>> Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did
>> not want to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>>> directions.
>>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>>> GPS then mine did.
>>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This is not correct.
>>>> 
>>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
>>>> tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need 
>>>> to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is 
>>>> not required however.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big 
>>>>> paper weight and only good for books and games.
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>>>>>> its E.T.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey EAT,
>>>>>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>>>>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction
>>>>>>> and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck
>>>>>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the
>>>>>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent 
>>>>>>> Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
>>>>>>> Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>>>>>> CR
>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>>>>>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
>>>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence.

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Chris, I thought you had a Galaxy S8, why bother using an iPhone 5s if you have 
a brand new device that’s hardened for outdoor use?

I know you claim on the eyes-free list to have an S8.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> 
> I did specify in my original message that I was going rock climbing. That 
> would imply that I am leaving the RV.
> 
> Lets start over ... Has anyone gone tent camping in a state or national park 
> and found a use for their iphone that they would like to pass along? Forget I 
> ever mentioned that I have a guide dog. Actual experienced campers only, 
> please.
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/31/2017 06:35 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
>> The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is 
>> subjective at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private 
>> campground, is camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the 
>> local pub or restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  
>> Then there are those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a 
>> carry-in tent. Some camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot 
>> dogs, chips and beer, leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all 
>> subjective.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
>> Sent: August 31, 2017 4:19 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. 
>> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
>> 
>> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. 
>> I didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and 
>> way above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and 
>> with guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There 
>> isn't a guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the 
>> woods. There are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going 
>> to tell me you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed 
>> flawlessly, I am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask 
>> for help with my f'in guide dog.
>> 
>> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not
>>> Eat, its E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and
 when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the
 Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
   Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the
 evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
 CR
 
 
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
 
>A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work
> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly,
>> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute
>> for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain
>> possibilities not available on your phone.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called
>>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in
>>> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my
>>> own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd
>>> get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some
>>> people could give me some tips on using technology to help me with
>>> stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>>> 
>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The
>>> iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it
>>> works. I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably
>>> too late to update my phone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Todd
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for 

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Chris, you don’t own a house to bet.  I have an asset report for you and you 
own no property.

Also Chris, you’re showing your stupidity.  Humans have been bringing dogs in 
to the woods for thousands of years. (Yes chuck more than 6000 although I know 
you Christians have trouble with time keeping)

Dogs have been hunting in the woods successfully, with out getting hurt and 
continue to do so every day.  Dogs love the woods and all sorts of dogs from 
small Yorkies up through pointers and even larger dogs make for great travel 
companions in the woods.  I do know a blind fellow up in Maine who travels in 
the woods with his dogs all the time and nobody gets hurt.  This just goes to 
show Chris that you have no idea what you’re talking about.  You don’t even 
consider the history that disproves everything you’re going to say before you 
open your mouth.  Dogs do a lot harder work in the wild with out getting 
injured every day.  If you think a guide dog would have problems what about 
sled dogs, search and rescue dogs, trained fighting and military dogs, bomb 
sniffing dogs and on and on.  Dog teams protect military basis, nuclear power 
plants, secret facilities, and even the federal buildings every day.  The 
federal dog teams stage their operations in the parking area behind the 
Fidelity building for example on Summer Street in Boston every morning.

So again Chris or Todor or Joseph, which ever of your personalities is dominant 
today, quit while you’re ahead.


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
> didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
> above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with 
> guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a 
> guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There 
> are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me 
> you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I 
> am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with 
> my f'in guide dog.
> 
> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
> 
> 
> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>   How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>> E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
>>> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>> Chuck
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
>>> of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
>>> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> 
   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
 wonders. That is what they are trained for.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
> available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
>> camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
>> always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
>> what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
>> tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
>> are acceptable.
>> 
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
>> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing 
>> to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my 
>> phone.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Todd
>> 
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If 

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

David, the iPhone does not require GIS data or a cell signal to plot it’s 
position.  As you correctly state as long as their is a GPS signal from enough 
locations you can determine your position.  I’m not sure about your particular 
part of the planet but I know the requirement for GPS for e911 was put in place 
in the US.  I suspect you folks down under have a similar requirement.

And rumor has it you got a new job my friend, congratulations if this is true.  
I believe I read this on linked in.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 4:53 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually, Joseph, it depends on the app. Some apps, such as Navigon, store 
> all the maps on the phone. For these apps, the only thing needed is GPS 
> signal. Unfortunately, only one app which stores local map data on the phone 
> is free. All the others charge a decent amount. And, there is the situation 
> of accessibility.
> 
> Direct access to the sky is not always enough. Direct access to the sky where 
> the GPS satelites are is always enough, when one has the map data.
> 
> The situation described, where cell tower access is required means the phone 
> requires a data signal to receive map positional information. Oh, I believe 
> the information is called GIS, or Geographic Information System.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/09/2017, at 04:47, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But 
>> I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. 
>> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your 
>> device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried 
>> this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you 
>> have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you 
>> lost service. So I hope this clarifies things.
>>   Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is not correct.
>>> 
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>>>> weight and only good for books and games.
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>>>>> its E.T.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>>>>> Hey EAT,
>>>>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>>>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>>>>>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>>>>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>>>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! 
>>>>>> And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>>>>> CR
>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>>> A little effort and a little

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Tim, just to back up what you’re saying, you could also pull the direct lat and 
long data from the GPS and plot it on a real map if you had to.  The GPS data 
can be grabbed and translated in to both time and lat / Lon position pretty 
easily which is what Google maps in your example was doing.  Google was just 
doing the plotting directly in their app instead of using the old pen and paper 
method.

The thing is no matter the support you provide though you’re going to get 
Gilland because Todor is Chris Gilland a well known troll for over a decade 
now.  He gets tossed off lists and reappears under different names.  He was 
tossed off this list for example so reappeared on the Android eyes-free list 
where he uses the Gilland name and has a few others he uses until he wares out 
his welcome and then gets bounced to the next list.  So you could have the lead 
engineer on the GPS working group support your position and it wouldn’t matter 
because this is a trouble making effort, not a genuine set of questions.



> On Aug 31, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> consider this folks.  In the Spring of 2016, my son was in Italy.  To save 
> money, Data Roaming and cell service were turned off.  No WiFi either.  
> Probably in Airplane mode as well to make sure he wasn't accidentally charged 
> for data or anything at international rates.  He downloaded a map through 
> Google Maps on his phone when he was in the hostel the night before.  While 
> on the bus, with his phone turned on, but no network connectivity of any sort 
> as mentioned earlier, he could watch a little dot of him traveling along the 
> roads on this downloaded map.  So, the GPS is running and keeping track of 
> your location, the compass is active, but without pre-loading a map, no 
> directions are possible.
> 
> People need to consider the difference in semantics.  Just because the GPS 
> and compass are active, no route mapping is possible, no location services 
> are possible, unless you have an off-line or downloaded map that is related 
> to a specific navigational mapping or routing service like Google.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 14:39, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe camping to scott is not leaving his RV?  Coverage has improved a lot 
> but, having camped in the forest, there are still places that signals cannot 
> get too.  When we were in an underground parkaid at an international airport, 
> the GPS did not work at all.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: August 31, 2017 12:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> Hey Scott,
> If your out in the forest to climb rocks and such, I think you should not 
> depend on reception thats why I suggested a tactile compass to get you 
> pointed in the correct direction and once your guide dog recognizes the 
> "latrine" or starting point for the climb he'll guide you to it!!! :) A 
> "satellite phone" may be a solution also but if you want to un plug go all 
> the way.
> I never leave the house with out my compass in my bag as a back up!
> Chuck
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
> the world, all the evidence that points to  Our intelligent Design. You 
> ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did 
> it!"
> CR
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Right again, this is a problem with your application
>> 
>> Not the phone or the network.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>>> directions.
>>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>>> GPS then mine did.
>>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This is not correct.
>>>> 
>>>> Even with out serv

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Chuck, you have no room to talk.  You fill this list with rantings on imaginary 
stooges floating on clouds that just don’t exist, they never existed and they 
never will.  So before you go bashing someone else belief system on list I’d 
take a serious look at the hate, intolerance and religious mindless rigidity 
that you spout.

Remember Arthur C. Clark I believe it was who is quoted roughly as saying that 
any sufficiently advanced race would appear to us as magical.  Our technology 
today (that we created not some dumb god construct) would seem to folks just 
100 years ago as magic, but it’s not.  So stop it Chuck, nobody cares about the 
junk belief system you espouse and force upon the rest of us on a technology 
list.  Find an uneducated audience for your brand of hucksterism because we 
don’t buy it, don’t want it and don’t care.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 6:44 PM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Eat,
> You want Joseph, to Grow up?
> E t phone Home!)
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
> the world, all the evidence that points to
> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
> CR
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 5:02 PM, E.T. wrote:
> 
>>  Good grief, Joseph, grow up.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 1:07 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
>>> Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did not 
>>> want to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it 
>>>> told me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I 
>>>> had to wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS 
>>>> found my directions.
>>>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>>>> GPS then mine did.
>>>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>>>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>>>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>>>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is not correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
>>>>> tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will 
>>>>> need to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  
>>>>> WiFi is not required however.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as 
>>>>>> long as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a 
>>>>>> big paper weight and only good for books and games.
>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>>>>>>> its E.T.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey EAT,
>>>>>>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>>>>>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>>>>>>>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Oh now I get it, you / Todor / Chris Gilland are probably the same person.  I 
was wondering about that because he makes so many reference to other Chris 
Gilland wackiness.  Todor and Chris are definitely the same but your headers 
almost match the other two.  Like I said, there be trolls under that bridge.

That makes a whole lot more sense and also explains the similar entries in your 
message headers.  Also explains the complete bad technical information which is 
a definite Gilland thing.

Now I get it.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't need to grow up just for your information.
>   Joseph Hudson
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 4:02 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Good grief, Joseph, grow up.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 1:07 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
>>> Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did not 
>>> want to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it 
>>>> told me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I 
>>>> had to wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS 
>>>> found my directions.
>>>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>>>> GPS then mine did.
>>>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>>>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>>>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>>>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is not correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
>>>>> tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will 
>>>>> need to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  
>>>>> WiFi is not required however.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as 
>>>>>> long as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a 
>>>>>> big paper weight and only good for books and games.
>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>>>>>>> its E.T.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey EAT,
>>>>>>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>>>>>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>>>>>>>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>>>>>>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>>>>>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evid

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Simon, that’s nothing, you should see the motor homes we have over here.  I 
have a friend who travels all over the US in these things.  Several bedrooms, 
satellite TV, big screen, showers, full kitchen and so on and so forth.  You 
can park at camp grounds or Walmart allows campers in motorhomes to set up in 
their parking lots.  Now, that’s camping.:)

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What kind of camping trip has toilets?
> 
> Over here we just have the out doors or if you are in a camping ground then 
> follow the sounds of a solid building
> I'd be very carefull taking technology in to the outdoors especialy when rock 
> climbing.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
>A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work wonders. 
> That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology has 
>> it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly smile 
>> and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not available on 
>> your phone.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
>>> Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
>>> Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind 
>>> of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him 
>>> to do. I was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology 
>>> to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>>> 
>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
>>> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to 
>>> buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

You know that sounds good but my idea of roughing it is traveling around the 
south of France / Mediterranean around race time but not being able to stay at 
the hotel in Monaco and instead having to drive in.;)

I did the camping thing as a younger person and enjoyed it but at this 
stage in life I’d rather see just how luxurious the trip could be instead of 
roughing it in the back woods.:). I live in the woods so get my outdoor time in 
my back 40.


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> That's not camping,
> 
> That's a hotel on wheels.
> 
> Try travelling a 400 Km river in canoes with all your tents, cloths food 
> everything with you and the only time you see other life is when someone on a 
> river bank waves to you.
> 
> That trip took 12 days including portaging around 2 large hydro dams  oh and 
> a great bit of kiwi sailing using a tent fly as a sail to get across a lake 
> before the storm kicked in.
> 
> 10 people and only bathing when you jumped in the river.
> 
> Now that's the life.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 11:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
> at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
> camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
> restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
> those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
> camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and 
> beer, leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
> Sent: August  31, 2017 4:19 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. 
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
> didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
> above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with 
> guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a 
> guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There 
> are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me 
> you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I 
> am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with 
> my f'in guide dog.
> 
> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
> 
> 
> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>   How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not
>> Eat, its E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and
>>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the
>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the
>>> evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> 
   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work
 wonders. That is what they are trained for.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly,
> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute
> for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain
> possibilities not available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in
>> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my
>> own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd
>> get 

Re: How GPS Apps Work

[Scott Granados]

So first, this poster is a troll and has been problems on this list and others 
for a long time so let’s not put to much effort in to this.  I was hoping that 
had changed but it appears not.

The length of waves when considering EM radiation has no effect on speed or 
reception time.  As you and Simon point out correctly, they all move at C which 
is 3 time 10 to the 8 meters per second if memory serves.  I know in MPH it’s 
about 186000 miles per second in a vacuum.  The vibratory rate of the waves in 
the signal doesn’t change the propagation speed of the signal it does however 
change the propagation pattern.  (Light that’s all in phase at a given 
frequency stays coherent aka laser, waves of all different phases and 
amplitudes scatter more like regular light). Speed how ever is constant 
relative to other objects at C.

Sound waves are a different animal, as mentioned correctly they travel 
at far slower speeds, something in the range of 750 miles per hour instead of 
almost 200 thousand miles per second.  Also, the wave forms are different.  
Sound is formed out of longitudinal waves which are shaped differently and 
propagate differently.

But like I said, the original poster is having a trolling expedition so we’ll 
stop here but I did want to support yours and Simon’s points.


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I’m no physicist, but I do have an interest in the field. Radio waves travel 
> at the speed of light, as they are part of the same electromagnetic spectrum 
> as visible light. X-rays, gamma rays, microwaves, radio, visible light, 
> infrared, ultraviolet, etc all travel at the speed of light. Sure, the 
> frequency might be longer, so a signal will take longer to be fully received, 
> but the waves themselves are electromagnetic in nature and thus travel at 
> good old C.
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Um, Todor,
>> 
>> Just to point something out to you here before anyone else does I guess,
>> 
>> Radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
>> Not the speed of light,
>> 
>> Light waves travel at the speed of light and different frequencys of 
>> thattravelling light give you different colours in the spectrum.
>> 
>> Sound such as radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
>> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 1:48 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: How GPS Apps Work
>> 
>> The global positioning system, invented a couple of decades ago, works by 
>> having a bunch of satellites circling the earth broadcasting the time. Just 
>> the time. Because radio signals travel at the speed of light, which is not 
>> infinite, your GPS receiver can tell from how late the signals are how far 
>> away the satellites are. If it has at least 3 signals, it can figure out 
>> exactly where you are in space. If it has a data connection, it can then 
>> query a map database to find out where you are on the Earth. If it doesn't 
>> have a data connection but it does have map data, either because it is 
>> cached or because you deliberately uploaded it to your phone, it can still 
>> figure out where you are.
>> 
>> 
>> The system can break down in 2 basic ways:
>> 
>> 1. No signal from GPS satellites. GPS signals are available all over the 
>> globe. Most of the satellites are in geosyncronous orbit around the equator 
>> but enough of them are not so you can still get a GPS signal at the poles. 
>> However, the radio signals from the satellites is very weak and you might 
>> not even be able to pick it up in a mobile home. In a parking garage, 
>> probably not
>> 
>> 2. No map data. If your location is not in a mpa database, if you don't have 
>> access to a map database, or if the map data is wrong, your phone won't know 
>> where you are. It should still be able to give you GPS coordinates but that 
>> won't help most people most of the time.
>> 
>> 
>> Note: I have talked only about GPS systems. Your phone can also triangulate 
>> it's position from cell phone towers and even wifi signals.
>> Google has made a map of as many of the wifi signals it can in the world. So 
>> if you called the wifi in your house "blindGuysAreSexy", it might be able to 
>> tell someone where they are based on that alone.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

I guess you can’t read so we can stop here but for the literate among us 
continue on.  As mentioned, these applications were requiring data and didn’t 
cache their maps.  Google maps would have worked just fine as will GPS in a 
mountainous setting as long as you have good visibility of the sky which you 
should outside away from buildings.  You’d also be surprised how much coverage 
there is in rural mountainous areas now.  You can even get a cell signal on 
Everest.
Other apps that cache their data are Navigon and I’m not sure about the 
seeing eye package from Sendero.  I know they used to be heavy on mapping and 
local storage but not sure if that philosophy remains. Might be worth a trip to 
sender’s site or google for more background on the specific app.  The afore 
mentioned google maps is also a winner of an option.  None of these replace 
good O skills though. 

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:26 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting, that it happened with 3 third party aps including the one that 
> comes with the phone?
> Nope, just no coverage. Not everything works in the mountains.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:16 PM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> If your out in the forest to climb rocks and such, I think you should not 
>> depend on reception thats why I suggested a tactile compass to get you 
>> pointed in the correct direction and once your guide dog recognizes the 
>> "latrine" or starting point for the climb he'll guide you to it!!! :)
>> A "satellite phone" may be a solution also but if you want to un plug go all 
>> the way.
>> I never leave the house with out my compass in my bag as a back up!
>> Chuck
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
>> the world, all the evidence that points to
>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
>> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> Right again, this is a problem with your application 
>>> 
>>> Not the phone or the network.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it 
>>>> told me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I 
>>>> had to wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS 
>>>> found my directions.
>>>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>>>> GPS then mine did. 
>>>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>>>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>>>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>>>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is not correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
>>>>> tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will 
>>>>> need to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  
>>>>> WiFi is not required however.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as 
>>>>>> long as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a 
>>>>>> big paper weight and only good for books and games.
>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>>>>>>> its E.T.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Tim, well said, much better than I but we’re on exactly the same page.  Well 
played sir.:)

Related to this, I have a long time friend who used a GPS system to project a 
dot in space that he trained his guide dog to follow.  As the directions in the 
route changed the dot would move relative to the dog’s vision in the direction 
he wanted the dog to turn.  He was able to build more accurate maps I think by 
augmenting the GPS / tower signal with the local compass and gyro and have the 
dog basically run on a sort of auto pilot.

You’re points about accuracy are very solid.  One other potential issue is 
depending if static navigation is set you might need tome at more than 5 MPH to 
get an accurate detection of your movement and direction.  This is because most 
of these systems are built for use in cars so require a minimum amount of 
movement so you’re not constantly recalculating your position based on signal 
reflections and atmospherics.  The iPhone should be fine in this area.  You 
also get signal augmentation and the interpolation between the two navigation 
standards to help deal with the inaccuracy a bit.  Also the 5S is an old phone, 
it may be a bit less feature packed than the current model but it should give 
you general information which others have mentioned should be combined with 
good mobility skills.  Won’t help this camping trip but the new standards will 
support down to a half meter accuracy instead of 3 to 9 or more so this will 
also help.  If we could only decrypt the military signal we’d have this 
capability today but somehow they won’t let blind travelers use the same GPS 
signals as they use to steer missiles.


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the distinction to be noted here, is that getting directions via a mapping 
> app like Apple Maps or Google Maps, vs GPS locations and compass 
> directionality.  As mentioned, both the GPS and the compass do not require 
> WiFi nor cell tower connectivity but if you wish to use them to follow a 
> route map, then you either need that connectivity or you need to use 
> something like Google Maps that can cache locally specific maps for off-line 
> use.  Again, these are not always perfect for situations like camping and 
> such as both the exact accuracy and the route is not mapped within these 
> apps.  What I mean by accuracy is that if you're supposed to walk 50 m west 
> along the road or path, then turn north or right onto a path that takes you 
> to the outhouse, the GPS cannot pin-point the exact 50 metre location.  
> That's where either your dog or marking locations along the way would come in 
> useful.  That is, if you marked the spot where you need to turn off the road, 
> while using an off-line mapping feature, then you should get some sort of 
> notification when you get close to the path and you could start the request 
> for your dog to find the path.  The best thing though in my opinion is to do 
> this a few times with sighted assistance letting your dog know that this is 
> how to get to the outhouse.  With this reinforcement and routine, your dog 
> should be able to handle it in the middle of the night just fine, unless 
> there's a major distraction like a bear or coyote.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:57, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Right again, this is a problem with your application 
> 
> Not the phone or the network.  
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>> directions.
>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>> GPS then mine did. 
>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is not correct.
>>> 
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim &

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Right again, this is a problem with your application 

Not the phone or the network.  


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
> directions.
> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with GPS 
> then mine did. 
> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> This is not correct.
>> 
>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
>> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>> required however.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>>> weight and only good for books and games.
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>>>> E.T.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>>>> Hey EAT,
>>>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
>>>>> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
>>>>> of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
>>>>> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>>>> CR
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>>>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
>>>>>>> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
>>>>>>> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
>>>>>>> available on your phone.
>>>>>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>>>>>>>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
>>>>>>>> camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I 
>>>>>>>> would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
>>>>>>>> confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could 
>>>>>>>> give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas 
>>>>>>>> what so ever are acceptable.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Joseph, put down the craack pipe, that’s wrong.

I received GPS signal with no service this morning on the way in to work when I 
was between the HSPA and LTE transition.  So you can always pull GPS data, this 
is independent of network access.   Your phone can decode both GPs and Glanass 
signals natively with out network support.
Where you’re partly correct if you bothered reading was if you’re 
working with software that doesn’t cache data.  Apple Maps in many cases or 
other tools need network access to pull down the map data that you relate the 
GPS signal against.  This is not the case for all applications.  Some download 
a separate set of maps that does not require network access to read, you store 
them locally for conditions where data can’t be pulled down.
Further more, if you have service your able to use both positioning 
standards + tower location augmentation.  This will yield the best results.  If 
what you said was true though phones would lose their way in tunnels or in big 
cities with multi path and in the tunnel case especially I can confirm daily 
that network access is not required if you use the correct applications.
 
(Not to mention I tested this for carriers. Also if you said was true E911 
would not work on phones that aren’t activated and in fact it does, it’s an FCC 
requirement that all phones regardless of payment or account status be able to 
dial 911 and report it’s location.

Nice try though.


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But 
> I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. 
> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your 
> device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried 
> this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you 
> have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost 
> service. So I hope this clarifies things.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
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> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> This is not correct.
>> 
>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
>> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>> required however.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <mrga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>>> weight and only good for books and games.
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>>>> E.T.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>>>> Hey EAT,
>>>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
>>>>> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
>>>>> of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
>>>>> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>>>> CR
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>>>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>> mysterie

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

This is not correct.

Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not required 
however.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
> you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
> weight and only good for books and games.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>> E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
>>> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>> Chuck
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
>>> of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
>>> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
  A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
 wonders. That is what they are trained for.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
> available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
>> camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
>> always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
>> what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
>> tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
>> are acceptable.
>> 
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
>> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing 
>> to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my 
>> phone.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

So unlike the other speeches for responses I’ll actually answer your question.

Seeing Eye GPS has the ability to set points of interest.  That might be a good 
way to go so you can mark specific areas you’re interested in.
Next, there’s an accessible compass built in, you might try that option 
to get basic direction.
Around me is a free application that tells you what’s located around 
you.
Apple Maps is also pretty feature packed but I think the ability to set 
POIs would be what you’re looking for.





> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
> Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
> Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind of 
> lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him to do. 
> I was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology to help 
> me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
> 
> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to 
> buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.
> 
> 
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Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Scott Granados]

Hi Kawal, I suspect it will be relatively easy you have some deviation ability 
in the pointing of the camera.

Also,
>  They could do a beeping deal like lining up a card in the viewer.


> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at 
> one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
>> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
>> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
>> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
>> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that 
>> have likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
>> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
>> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
>> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
>> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a 
>> background check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there 
>> in various clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that 
>> put facial recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do 
>> now.  All technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to 
>> do our own do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, 
>> there’s so much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>> coming.
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
>>> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
>>> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
>>> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
>>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
>>> will be.
>>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
>>> Trek. Don't @ me.
>>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
>>> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
>>> There are few things more personal than a face.
>>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
>>> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
>>> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
>>> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
>>> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
>>> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
>>> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
>>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
>>> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
>>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
>>> what's the deal with avocado toast?
>>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
>>> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
>>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
>>> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
>>> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
>>> appear anywhere in this article.
>>> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
>>> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
>>> to making digital purchases.
>>> And presumably all these companies have the same

Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again

[Scott Granados]

You know the Mods really need to get these tag lines under control.  I don’t 
know why I have to read this religious garbage on a technical list just by 
opening the wrong message and the ratio of message content to religious bull 
crap is totally out of whack.  How can you have a one line response and a huge 
run on garbage rant about some fictional stuffed shirt sitting on a cloud 
commenting on a history channel show that’s equally off topic.  A rule should 
be set up that rejects any email with more than a 1 line tag line.  In this 
case there was 2 lines of content and 6 lines of what comes out of the back of 
a cow and it ain’t milk kids.


> On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:30 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronald,
> 
> I haven't ran across this before.
> Good to take note of. :)
> Chuck
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
> the world, all the evidence that points to
>  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
> CR
> 
> 
> On Aug 30, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
> 
>> Sorry folks, didn’t see this thread earlier.
>> So control+f1 is called Keyboard Access. Thx Anne.
>> 
>> Ronald
>> 
>>> Op 30 aug. 2017, om 17:44 heeft Anne Robertson >> > het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> I have reassigned Ctrl-F1 to speak selected text so that I can’t turn off 
>>> keyboard access accidentally. I recommend this move to all my VoiceOver 
>>> students, too.
>>> Here in France, with the French keyboard layout, we have to do quite a bit 
>>> of messing about with keyboad shortcuts to avoid conflicts.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 30 Aug 2017, at 17:16, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:
 
 Well, nobody answered the original question, yes there are other ways to 
 get to the dock, but there is such a thing as finger memory. 
 
 To correct this problem usually you only need to type control-F1. If this 
 happens to you quite a bit, you can also disable the control-F1 
 functionality.
 
 Best Wishes,
 Jonathan   Cohn
 
 
 
 On 30 August 2017 at 04:14, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 Just VO or ctrl / option keys and d will open the doc on your screen.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of regina alvarado
 Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 11:38 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again
 
 
 Isn't the command vo-D? to get to the dock?
 
 
 Reggie and Lex
 
 
 On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:29 PM, E.T. > wrote:
 
   What about VO-shift-d?
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, all 
 the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  and 
 say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
 > On 8/29/2017 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 > That does no good
 > Sent from my iPhone,
 > the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 > Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac,
 > Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 >> On Aug 29, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Georgina Joyce >  > >> wrote:
 >> Hello,
 >>
 >> Either include the Function key or go to System Preferences, Keyboard, 
 >> keyboard and tick the box for standard layout.
 >>
 >> Gena
 >>
 >>> On 29 Aug 2017, at 21:36, Raymond Foret Jr >>  >> >> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> control F3 no longer opens dock.  How to fix?
 >>>
 >>> Somehow, I seem to have done something to my Mac so that when I press 
 >>> control+F3, it no longer exposes the dock but instead I get the 
 >>> boundary sound.  How do I fix this so that it works again?
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
 >>> blind:
 >>>
 >>> Sincerely,
 >>>
 >>> The constantly barefooted Ray
 >>>
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Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Scott Granados]

Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because I’ve 
worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations where 
your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, all 
scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house I had 
my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a background check.  
 So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there in various clouds 
doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that put facial recognition 
in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All technology has 
good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own do diligence.  I 
think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so much conspiracy theory 
nonsense out there but then there are some real conspiracies to be careful of 
so there you go.  Great article, keep em coming.

> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
> will be.
> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
> Trek. Don't @ me.
> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
> There are few things more personal than a face.
> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
> what's the deal with avocado toast?
> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
> appear anywhere in this article.
> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
> to making digital purchases.
> And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
> parties because that's their business model, right?
> This question is never addressed.
> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
> pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
> same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
> who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
> "Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
> kinds of people, contrary to the user's intentions," Schwartz said.
> "These include external data thieves, who may break into the device or the
> data farm where content is stored; or internal employees of the company that
> makes the device, who improperly misappropriate customer content; or the
> police, by means of a subpoena or search warrant (depending on what the
> police are demanding).
> Which company has the better track record on these? Biometric data on an
> iPhone is stored in the enclave which is paired with the sensor it validates
> against. Nothing is stored in a data farm. Also, Apple stood up to the FBI
> when it wanted to the unlock the phone of a terrorist. Pretty sure they'll
> probably stand up for you.
> None of this is worth mentioning, though. We are to presume all these
> companies equally want eat your delicious face data.
> "Absolutely people should be concerned," said Schwartz. "What else is the
> company going to be doing with the face [scan]?"
> Apple? Nothing. They don't have it.
> Does this matter to you now? Maybe, maybe not. But it probably will when
> someone drains your bank account using nothing more than a photo they pulled
> off your Instagram account.
> Remember when the same kind of hacking was going to run rampant with Touch
> ID, which was a security disaster even though it was way better 

Re: Ahead of iPhone 8, Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one year for $1' deal to switchers

[Scott Granados]

If you’re going to pay $50 in the first place why not go with T-Mobile or 
Verizon who both have unlimited plans in that range?

> On Aug 28, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
> 
> Now that this came out, I'm thinking of dumping my regular Sprint plan for 
> this deal, even at $50 a month, it still sounds like it would shave at least 
> $20 a month off the bill. Would Virgin still support using the wifi calling I 
> often use on Sprint when I'm at home or have wifi available? I understand 
> that during times of peak congestion that Virgin and the other Sprint 
> resellers get less priority than one would get by paying that $20 a month 
> premium, but would that really mean much most of the time? Is there any good 
> reason, if one was going to want to stay with the Sprint network to not save 
> money and jump on this Virgin inner circle bandwagon?
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 8:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Ahead of iPhone 8, Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for 
> one year for $1' deal to switchers
> 
> 
>> Mary, yes they do, they bought Virgin from Beardy Branson a few years ago.
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Doesn't virgin use the Sprint network? That would be a huge downside.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 24, 2017, at 7:42 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 5:58 AM
>>>> Ahead of iPhone 8, Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one year for
>>>> $1' deal to switchers
>>>> 
>>>> Virgin Mobile really loves iPhone users . After going iPhone-only back in
>>>> June, and offering a really sweet deal to those buying a new phone, it has
>>>> now extended the offer to existing iPhone owners switching to the carrier.
>>>> The carrier says that any iPhone owner who ports their number to Virgin 
>>>> will
>>>> be able to get the same 'all you can eat' $1 deal for a full 12 months .
>>>> 
>>>> When you bring your existing iPhone and transfer your phone number to the
>>>> "Inner Circle" plan, you will enjoy 12 months of unlimited talk, text and
>>>> high-speed data for just $1 on Virgin Mobile's nationwide network.
>>>> After the first year, you'll be switched to the company's standard
>>>> 'unlimited everything' plan, which costs $50 per month. The deal needn't 
>>>> end
>>>> there, though: you'll get an additional six months of service for $1 if you
>>>> upgrade to a new iPhone.
>>>> As we noted before, the usual carrier caveats apply: your data usage may be
>>>> 'deprioritized' if you go over 23GB a month, and terminated altogether if
>>>> you do a lot of roaming. To qualify, you'll need an iPhone 5s or later, and
>>>> the offer is subject to confirmation of compatibility with Virgin's 
>>>> network.
>>>> Virgin says that the deal is open for a short time, but doesn't specify a
>>>> cutoff date.
>>>> "At Virgin Mobile, we don't like playing by the rules, even our own," said
>>>> Dow Draper, CEO of Virgin Mobile USA. "Consumers know that the Inner Circle
>>>> is the real deal, but many love their current phones or don't want to
>>>> upgrade yet. So, now for a short period of time, you can bring your own
>>>> iPhone to Virgin Mobile and enjoy everything the Inner Circle offers -
>>>> including the savings - $1 for 12 months of service. It's also a great way
>>>> to try out the Virgin Mobile network with your own iPhone."
>>>> It does say that there will be a $25 charge for the SIM from September 29.
>>>> 
>>>> Original Article at:
>>>> https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/23/virgin-mobile-usa-1-unlimited-bring-your-own-
>>>> iphone/
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Re: vpn services

[Scott Granados]

Hi, not sure I know the 8500 version does.  You are looking for open VPN 
support.

> On Aug 29, 2017, at 2:52 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott, does all of the nighthawk routers have this feature?  Got my eye on 
> one that just came out this past June.  Here is the link.
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072LZZZXB/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER
>  
> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072LZZZXB/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER>
> Let me know what you think.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Few ways you could do this.
>> 
>> My router has Open VPN built in, it’s a Netgear Night Hawk 8500 and it has 
>> all the certs and everything pre built.  Very easy to set up.  I can then 
>> either just connect to my home network and send everything else in the clear 
>> or tunnel everything through the home connection encrypted.
>> 
>> You could also build a server with two NICs and put one on the inside 
>> network, one on the outside, enable IP forwarding and install Open VPN.  
>> Advantage here is you can use existing hardware in your collection but more 
>> setup work on the down side.
>> 
>>  You could also buy some hardware on eBay used.  Something like an old 
>> Cisco ASA or Juniper SRX that you would wire up similarly and or use as a 
>> router replacement.  Since you’re a technical guy and heavy on the systems 
>> side you might like this option so you start learning and working with 
>> enterprise level gear on the cheap.
>> 
>> Just a ew ideas.
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott and anyone else with thoughts on this.
>>> 
>>> I’m looking for a VPN service either existing that I can use to connect 
>>> from my mac book air or iPad / iPhone to my home systems which consist of a 
>>> couple of mac minis and windows servers 2012R2 and others.
>>> 
>>> I just want something to connect from the remote device to the home end and 
>>> then rdp into what I need at the time to access.
>>> I’m not sure free is the best option but thoughts greatfully appreciated.
>>> 
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Re: amazon was `Re: vpn services

[Scott Granados]

I’ve never had any problems ordering from amazon.  What’s the issue?  Also, I 
use the smile.amazon.com <http://smile.amazon.com/> site for charitable giving 
as they get a cut of the transactions I make.  I suspect it’s the exact same 
sight as the main site but might be worth a shot.

> On Aug 29, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Dolores Myers <dmyer...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> I use the amazon app on my Ipad.  It works well for me with voice over.  I 
> gave up trying to use the amazon site on my computer.
> Dolores
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have clicked that “Close” button several times, but it always comes back.  
>> For now, my work around is to not use Amazon. ;)
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 8:00 AM, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com 
>>> <mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> `Hi` Jeff,
>>> 
>>> Have you tried using vo command j for form controls or getting form 
>>> controls out of the router and looking for a close button on that dialog?  
>>> I have not seen that popup about review calculations in a long time and I'm 
>>> not sure exactly how I got rid of it. I still get the one promoting the app 
>>> for mobile though and there's a close button for that so it just goes away.
>>> best,
>>> 
>>> Erikˋ
>>> On August 29, 2017 7:39:57 AM Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> How do you guys navigate Amazon?
>>>> 
>>>> Recently, and on this exact page, when I visit Amazon pages I am stuck 
>>>> with a web dialogue informing me how they calculate their user reviews.  I 
>>>> can’t actually read anything on the page as this dialogue appears over and 
>>>> over and over again.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry for hijacking this post, but it happened on that link too.
>>>> 
>>>> Tia,
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 2:52 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott, does all of the nighthawk routers have this feature?  Got my eye 
>>>>> on one that just came out this past June.  Here is the link.
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072LZZZXB/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER
>>>>>  
>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072LZZZXB/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER>
>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Few ways you could do this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My router has Open VPN built in, it’s a Netgear Night Hawk 8500 and it 
>>>>>> has all the certs and everything pre built.  Very easy to set up.  I can 
>>>>>> then either just connect to my home network and send everything else in 
>>>>>> the clear or tunnel everything through the home connection encrypted.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You could also build a server with two NICs and put one on the inside 
>>>>>> network, one on the outside, enable IP forwarding and install Open VPN.  
>>>>>> Advantage here is you can use existing hardware in your collection but 
>>>>>> more setup work on the down side.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  You could also buy some hardware on eBay used.  Something like an old 
>>>>>> Cisco ASA or Juniper SRX that you would wire up similarly and or use as 
>>>>>> a router replacement.  Since you’re a technical guy and heavy on the 
>>>>>> systems side you might like this option so you start learning and 
>>>>>> working with enterprise level gear on the cheap.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just a ew ideas.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Scott and anyone else with thoughts on this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>

Re: Smart TV

[Scott Granados]

Yes shouldn’t be a problem.  All my boxes including Apple TV, Amazon TV and 
Chrome Cast can wake up a Samsung TV via cdmi control data.

> On Aug 27, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> So sometimes there is a configuration to enable auto-on when Apple TV wakes 
> up? Does anybody know if Samsung TV's have this in their options menus. I can 
> control volume via HDMI so one would expect that power should also be able to 
> be controlled.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Simon, not sure which chrome cast you have but it works great on my Current 
>> model Samsung and auto switches beautifully.  For example, I can have my TV 
>> totally powered down and say to google home “play Star Trek on master 
>> bedroom TV from Netflix” and it automatically powers on the TV and by the 
>> time the TV boots the show is already streaming.  The chrome cast also 
>> supplies 4K.  The model I have is called the Ultra not sure if that’s what 
>> you’re using.  You may have to enable HDMI controls as well although in my 
>> set at least they were on by default.  Not sure what’s up there.
>> 
>>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:14 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> 
>>> Sorry fo rthe delay.
>>> 
>>> Ok so over xmas new year this year I spent a few weeks looking into 
>>> accessible tv's here in NZ,
>>> 
>>> Unlike in the USA UK and austrailia  Samsung have removed the voice 
>>> guidance feature or screen reader from their NZ model devices, at least in 
>>> the 2016 and later models.
>>> 
>>> I located a 2015 UHD 4K 55inch screen with all and more than I wanted.
>>> 
>>> I can't say I'm a fan of the in built features such as Netflix and the 
>>> webbrowser but he screen reader is great as it lets me set the device up 
>>> myself.
>>> 
>>> As for auto switching 
>>> Yeah sure does,
>>> 
>>> When I press a button on my apple tv Gen 4 remote  the tv switchs on and to 
>>> the HDMI channel the atv is connected to,
>>> 
>>> My blue ray player does the same thing when I press eject to open the tray 
>>> and put my disk in,
>>> 
>>> I can't get my chrome cast to do this though, however I don't use it a lot 
>>> so don't worry about ti,
>>> 
>>> The only real issues I have with the auto switching is when I want to 
>>> listen to music through my ATV  it turns the tv on also 
>>> 
>>> A pain in the a when you don't need a picture or even have one this I 
>>> didin't need to worry about when I had the gen 3 as I used optical to 
>>> connect to the sound system.
>>> 
>>> Hope this somewhat helps.-Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Saturday, 12 August 2017 3:27 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Subject: Smart TV
>>> 
>>>   Am I correct in thinking that with one of these TVs, it will switch to an 
>>> active input source, such as Apple TV? Samsung brand? My current TV is 9 
>>> years old, might be time to replace it.
>>> 
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Re: wifi modem / routers

[Scott Granados]

So right now I’m using a Night Hawk X4 8500 from Net Gear.  Supports triband 
WiFi, the ability to aggregate two of the ethernet ports, 8 antennas, and a 
nice healthy forwarding rate.  You might also want to look at one of the mesh 
systems like the Amplifi which has a few more knobs so could be customized for 
your setup.

How’s that?

> On Aug 28, 2017, at 6:05 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
>  
> Might be a topic to take off list so feel free to contact me on
> si...@blinky-net.com 
>  
> what type of modem routerr are you using with your home connection?
>  
> I’m looking for something that’s fibre capable and wifi ac with 4 port switch.
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Re: Sprint is offering new and existing customers a free ticket to Jay-Z's 4:44 Tour

[Scott Granados]

This is just dumb, all music is about sex drugs and what ever is current at the 
time.  What do you think they are singing about in the majority of operas or in 
classical music through until today.

All this is a reason for the hyper religious to deny life itself, it’s 
irritating and it’s stupid but then again so is the belief in fictional 
characters.

Religion can’t afford for freedom of thought so it just crushes all validity in 
a subject with dumb ass blanket statements like that.

Wow


> On Aug 26, 2017, at 1:52 PM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> I totally agree!
> Its just "SD" "Sex Drugs & Rap"!
> 
> He should try to "write the rhyme not the "slime"! :)
> Any body can steel a loop and "grind" it out! :(
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
> the world, all the evidence that points to
> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
> CR
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> I don't understand you folks,
>> 
>> Some one on the street could offer me tickets to this guy and I'd say NO!
>> 
>> Now if someone like Vodafone NZ offered me tickets and the tools to go back 
>> in time and see queen live at Wembley stadium in 86 then I'd be kissing that 
>> company
>> 
>> Or even the orgional pink Floyd the wall concert.
>> 
>> Reall music for me none of this digital hip hop bull!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Saturday, 26 August 2017 1:38 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Sprint is offering new and existing customers a free ticket to 
>> Jay-Z's 4:44 Tour
>> 
>> 
>> It’s interesting how in bed with Sprint the Carters are now.  Tidal did a 
>> huge deal with Sprint putting many dollars in his pocket and now there’s the 
>> ticket offering.  I wonder how that came to be.  T-mobile you think of as 
>> being more the company for younger folks but there you are.
>>  I have to say I’m not a huge fan of 444 although it’s not bad I’m more 
>> of a Blueprint or Black album man myself.  The American gangster soundtrack 
>> was also very good, not to mention a great movie but then again, anything 
>> Denzel Washington stars in is a great movie.
>> Ok, now you’ve done it Mark, it’s super quiet and still in my office, I 
>> think it’s time for a little JZ maybe Big Pimpin to spice up the vibe around 
>> here.:)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 24,
>> 
>>> 2017, at 10:44 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, August
>>> 24, 2017 at 7:56 AM Sprint is offering new and existing customers a
>>> free ticket to Jay-Z's 4:44 Tour If you're looking to go to Jay-Z's
>>> upcoming 4:44 tour, you won't want to miss this deal from our friends
>>> at Thrifter.
>>> Whether you are thinking about making the move to Sprint from your
>>> existing carrier, or are already a customer, you won't want to miss
>>> out on this offer. Sprint has announced that through its partnership
>>> with TIDAL it will be offering its customers a free ticket to Jay-Z's
>>> upcoming 4:44 tour in one of 10 different cities across the U.S. You
>>> will need to activate the free 6-month trial of TIDAL to qualify for
>>> this promotion, and if you add two or more lines you can qualify for two 
>>> tickets.
>>> 
>>> With ticket prices for this tour starting at around $40 and going as
>>> high as $500, being able to score a free ticket from your cellular
>>> carrier is pretty awesome. The dates and locations that are included in 
>>> this promotion are:
>>> .   Las Vegas - Oct. 28
>>> .   Miami - Nov. 12
>>> .   Atlanta - Nov. 12
>>> .   Boston - Nov. 25
>>> .   Brooklyn, NY - Nov. 26
>>> .   Brooklyn, NY - Nov. 27
>>> .   Washington, D.C. - Nov. 29
>>> .   Chicago - Dec. 5
>>> .   San Diego - Dec. 19
>>> .   Los Angeles - Dec. 21
>>> The catch here is that you'll only be able to score a free ticket for
>>> one day, August 26. You'll want to make sure that you have located the
>>> closest Sprint store prior to that since this offer is first come,
>>> first served. The tickets are not transferable, exchangeable or

Re: On my way home with my new MacBook Pro!!!

[Scott Granados]

Jus turn it on, wait a minute and start vo with a. Command triple press of the 
fingerprint / power button.  YOu’ll be in the initial setup screens.

> On Aug 27, 2017, at 8:23 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Sorry for that last blank message.
> 
> Well, I'm on my way home with my new MacBook Pro! A question has occurred to 
> me, and I thought I put it out to the list. I haven't opened the box yet, so 
> sorry in advance if this is a dumb question. If you turn on the MacBook Pro 
> via the touch sensor, how do you turn it on for the first time, given that it 
> will not recognize your fingerprint?
> Tia,Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Wifi Behavior

[Scott Granados]

By the way this is called band steering.  Modern routers support this and I 
agree, make everything one single SSID.

> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:06 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Thanks Tim, I understand now. I just made the change in the router and will 
> monitor things.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> 
> On 8/25/2017 4:29 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> ET,
>> 
>> Normally, your device will choose the 5 GHz band if it is a strong enough 
>> signal.  Otherwise, it will grab the 2.4 GHz one.  When they have the same 
>> name, as Simon mentioned, your device decides.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 16:42, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Simon,
>>  Might do that. Are there cases where a device may not like one or the other 
>> band?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/25/2017 3:23 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi ET,
>>> 
>>> I know every one is different but I always tell people to make both 2.4 and 
>>> 5 the same name so that it's the device that makes the choice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This caused a few arguments recently at work because we are meant to be 
>>> telling people to only connect to 5GHz bands due to our system being 
>>> unstable
>>> However not all devices have been switched to multy frequency capable 
>>> devices.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Friday, 25 August 2017 4:35 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Wifi Behavior
>>> 
>>>   The SSID for the 5g has 5g in its name so I know which is active.
>>> The ponly reason I knew it was changing bands was that my printer is not 
>>> connected to the 5g band and its not easy to change it on the printer.
>>> 
>>>   But it was fixed with a router update which I carried out yesterday.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/24/2017 7:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> Use different SSIDs for 5 ghz and 2.4 ghz that way you join one or the 
>>>> other.  Else use one SSID and let it band steer to the frequency it wants 
>>>> because that’s usually a change do to conditions and signal strength etc.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 1:09 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My Nighthawk AC1900 which supports 5g hss been commenting either to 5g or 
>>>>> the non 5g channel on the Mac and Windows. What can I do to keep it on 
>>>>> one or the other?
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the
>>>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your
>>>>> mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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Re: vpn services

[Scott Granados]

Few ways you could do this.

My router has Open VPN built in, it’s a Netgear Night Hawk 8500 and it has all 
the certs and everything pre built.  Very easy to set up.  I can then either 
just connect to my home network and send everything else in the clear or tunnel 
everything through the home connection encrypted.

You could also build a server with two NICs and put one on the inside network, 
one on the outside, enable IP forwarding and install Open VPN.  Advantage here 
is you can use existing hardware in your collection but more setup work on the 
down side.

You could also buy some hardware on eBay used.  Something like an old 
Cisco ASA or Juniper SRX that you would wire up similarly and or use as a 
router replacement.  Since you’re a technical guy and heavy on the systems side 
you might like this option so you start learning and working with enterprise 
level gear on the cheap.

Just a ew ideas.

> On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott and anyone else with thoughts on this.
> 
> I’m looking for a VPN service either existing that I can use to connect from 
> my mac book air or iPad / iPhone to my home systems which consist of a couple 
> of mac minis and windows servers 2012R2 and others.
> 
> I just want something to connect from the remote device to the home end and 
> then rdp into what I need at the time to access.
> I’m not sure free is the best option but thoughts greatfully appreciated.
> 
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Re: OT: we're pulling for you folks in the south

[Scott Granados]

Good duck hunting in your part of the world.

Glad you’re outside the blast radius.

> On Aug 25, 2017, at 9:28 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah it looks pretty bad. I am a bit to the east of the storm. I am in
> south Louisiana about 45 minutes from Baton rouge and about 4 and a
> half from Houston. We are suppose to get a lot of rain tomorrow.
> 
> On 8/25/17, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Scott, so far I'm doing well here. I'm more on the central side so I'm on
>> the more lucky side. The most that we'll get out of this whole thing, is a
>> bunch of rain. This will be the worst storm that we have ever had since
>> Carla according to the weather staff year. That was 45 years ago. So let's
>> hope that we can continue to not have another one of these for another 45
>> years after this one.Scott, so far I'm doing well here. I'm more on the
>> central side so I'm on the more lucky side. The most that we'll get out of
>> this whole thing. Mailing the borders of Houston are affected, and surround
>> in areas of the coast. There've been four counties they have had to evacuate
>> so far. And everybody is definitely evacuating. And lest they feel that they
>> can make it through the stone that they made it through 45 years ago.
>>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, it seems important to say right now that I’m pulling for you folks
>>> down there in Texas and Luisiana.  That storm looks pretty rough news is
>>> reporting it’s approaching category 4 which is a no joke hurricane.  I
>>> lived through crazy weather in Florida and hurricanes in New England so I
>>> know about the ride you’re in for.  Don’t forget to stock up on beer and
>>> pop tarts so you have something to trade.;). (that’s a serious suggestion,
>>> that was standard procedure in our part of Florida). Keep your heads down
>>> and keep the powder dry.  Let us know how your doing if anyone’s in the
>>> way there.
>>> 
>>> Take care
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Re: OT: we're pulling for you folks in the south

[Scott Granados]

I didn’t realize you were in that neck of the woods.  Hopefully things went 
well for you over night.  Seems like the coast got it pretty bad, it hit 
category 4 before reaching land.  Hope you’re all holding it down there, be 
careful and I’m hoping for the best.

> On Aug 25, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott, so far I'm doing well here. I'm more on the central side so I'm on the 
> more lucky side. The most that we'll get out of this whole thing, is a bunch 
> of rain. This will be the worst storm that we have ever had since Carla 
> according to the weather staff year. That was 45 years ago. So let's hope 
> that we can continue to not have another one of these for another 45 years 
> after this one.Scott, so far I'm doing well here. I'm more on the central 
> side so I'm on the more lucky side. The most that we'll get out of this whole 
> thing. Mailing the borders of Houston are affected, and surround in areas of 
> the coast. There've been four counties they have had to evacuate so far. And 
> everybody is definitely evacuating. And lest they feel that they can make it 
> through the stone that they made it through 45 years ago.
>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, it seems important to say right now that I’m pulling for you folks 
>> down there in Texas and Luisiana.  That storm looks pretty rough news is 
>> reporting it’s approaching category 4 which is a no joke hurricane.  I lived 
>> through crazy weather in Florida and hurricanes in New England so I know 
>> about the ride you’re in for.  Don’t forget to stock up on beer and pop 
>> tarts so you have something to trade.;). (that’s a serious suggestion, that 
>> was standard procedure in our part of Florida). Keep your heads down and 
>> keep the powder dry.  Let us know how your doing if anyone’s in the way 
>> there.
>> 
>> Take care
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Re: Ahead of iPhone 8, Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one year for $1' deal to switchers

[Scott Granados]

Google’s project Fi looks interesting because ictuses both Sprint and T-Mobile 
together and switches to the best network connection available.  I wish you 
could do that with all 4 carriers.:)

> On Aug 26, 2017, at 1:22 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Sprint is bad enough, so there is no way I would take my IPhone to the
> knock off version. Well to be fair it might be ok if I unlocked my
> T-Mo 6s plus and put it on the net work for a year. Just for when I am
> in areas with bad service I could just switch phones.
> 
> On 8/25/17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> They do exist in Canada, but I suspect that sweet a deal is not on the
>> menu here.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
>> skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
>> hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
>> love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
>> opposite." Nelson Mandela.
>> 
>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2017, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Hell, this is a great sounding package from virgin,
>>> 
>>> Sir Richard must be rubbing his hands together over this one.
>>> 
>>> Wonder when we'll get virgins here in NZ!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Friday, 25 August 2017 3:32 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Ahead of iPhone 8, Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for
>>> one year for $1' deal to switchers
>>> 
>>> Doesn't virgin use the Sprint network? That would be a huge downside.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 24, 2017, at 7:42 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 5:58 AM Ahead of iPhone 8,
 Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one year for $1' deal to
 switchers
 
 Virgin Mobile really loves iPhone users . After going iPhone-only back
 in June, and offering a really sweet deal to those buying a new phone,
 it has now extended the offer to existing iPhone owners switching to the
 carrier.
 The carrier says that any iPhone owner who ports their number to
 Virgin will be able to get the same 'all you can eat' $1 deal for a full
 12 months .
 
 When you bring your existing iPhone and transfer your phone number to
 the "Inner Circle" plan, you will enjoy 12 months of unlimited talk,
 text and high-speed data for just $1 on Virgin Mobile's nationwide
 network.
 After the first year, you'll be switched to the company's standard
 'unlimited everything' plan, which costs $50 per month. The deal
 needn't end there, though: you'll get an additional six months of
 service for $1 if you upgrade to a new iPhone.
 As we noted before, the usual carrier caveats apply: your data usage
 may be 'deprioritized' if you go over 23GB a month, and terminated
 altogether if you do a lot of roaming. To qualify, you'll need an
 iPhone 5s or later, and the offer is subject to confirmation of
 compatibility with Virgin's network.
 Virgin says that the deal is open for a short time, but doesn't
 specify a cutoff date.
 "At Virgin Mobile, we don't like playing by the rules, even our own,"
 said Dow Draper, CEO of Virgin Mobile USA. "Consumers know that the
 Inner Circle is the real deal, but many love their current phones or
 don't want to upgrade yet. So, now for a short period of time, you can
 bring your own iPhone to Virgin Mobile and enjoy everything the Inner
 Circle offers - including the savings - $1 for 12 months of service.
 It's also a great way to try out the Virgin Mobile network with your own
 iPhone."
 It does say that there will be a $25 charge for the SIM from September
 29.
 
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 https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/23/virgin-mobile-usa-1-unlimited-bring-you
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Re: Sprint is offering new and existing customers a free ticket to Jay-Z's 4:44 Tour

[Scott Granados]

I’m right there with you Lenron, in my collection I have everything from Snoop 
Dogg to Sinatra, Andre Watts to Dr. Dre, Johny Cash to King Crimson.  You get 
the point.  About the only thing I’m not really in to is the modern country 
music, I like the classic stuff the current crop is just a little to commercial 
for me but just about everything I’m in.  (Especially if it’s good to roll a 
fatty to haha)

> On Aug 26, 2017, at 1:27 AM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I must agree Scott. I am more a fan of his older stuff, Blueprint was
> probably my favorite album. Now now Simon we all have different taste.
> I can listen to a bunch of different things. It really depends on my
> mood.
> 
> On 8/25/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> I don't understand you folks,
>> 
>> Some one on the street could offer me tickets to this guy and I'd say NO!
>> 
>> Now if someone like Vodafone NZ offered me tickets and the tools to go back
>> in time and see queen live at Wembley stadium in 86 then I'd be kissing that
>> company
>> 
>> Or even the orgional pink Floyd the wall concert.
>> 
>> Reall music for me none of this digital hip hop bull!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Saturday, 26 August 2017 1:38 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Sprint is offering new and existing customers a free ticket to
>> Jay-Z's 4:44 Tour
>> 
>> 
>> It’s interesting how in bed with Sprint the Carters are now.  Tidal did a
>> huge deal with Sprint putting many dollars in his pocket and now there’s the
>> ticket offering.  I wonder how that came to be.  T-mobile you think of as
>> being more the company for younger folks but there you are.
>>  I have to say I’m not a huge fan of 444 although it’s not bad I’m more 
>> of a
>> Blueprint or Black album man myself.  The American gangster soundtrack was
>> also very good, not to mention a great movie but then again, anything Denzel
>> Washington stars in is a great movie.
>> Ok, now you’ve done it Mark, it’s super quiet and still in my office, I
>> think it’s time for a little JZ maybe Big Pimpin to spice up the vibe around
>> here.:)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 24,
>> 
>>> 2017, at 10:44 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, August
>>> 24, 2017 at 7:56 AM Sprint is offering new and existing customers a
>>> free ticket to Jay-Z's 4:44 Tour If you're looking to go to Jay-Z's
>>> upcoming 4:44 tour, you won't want to miss this deal from our friends
>>> at Thrifter.
>>> Whether you are thinking about making the move to Sprint from your
>>> existing carrier, or are already a customer, you won't want to miss
>>> out on this offer. Sprint has announced that through its partnership
>>> with TIDAL it will be offering its customers a free ticket to Jay-Z's
>>> upcoming 4:44 tour in one of 10 different cities across the U.S. You
>>> will need to activate the free 6-month trial of TIDAL to qualify for
>>> this promotion, and if you add two or more lines you can qualify for two
>>> tickets.
>>> 
>>> With ticket prices for this tour starting at around $40 and going as
>>> high as $500, being able to score a free ticket from your cellular
>>> carrier is pretty awesome. The dates and locations that are included in
>>> this promotion are:
>>> .   Las Vegas - Oct. 28
>>> .   Miami - Nov. 12
>>> .   Atlanta - Nov. 12
>>> .   Boston - Nov. 25
>>> .   Brooklyn, NY - Nov. 26
>>> .   Brooklyn, NY - Nov. 27
>>> .   Washington, D.C. - Nov. 29
>>> .   Chicago - Dec. 5
>>> .   San Diego - Dec. 19
>>> .   Los Angeles - Dec. 21
>>> The catch here is that you'll only be able to score a free ticket for
>>> one day, August 26. You'll want to make sure that you have located the
>>> closest Sprint store prior to that since this offer is first come,
>>> first served. The tickets are not transferable, exchangeable or
>>> refundable, and if any scheduled event is delayed, postponed or
>>> canceled for any reason, you will not be reimbursed for tickets.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> More from Thrifter:
>>> For more great deals be sure to check out our friends at Thrifter now!
>>> 
>>> Original Article at:
>>> https://www.imore.com/thrifter-deal-sp

Re: Sprint is offering new and existing customers a free ticket to Jay-Z's 4:44 Tour

[Scott Granados]

Come on Simon, the music back then was great, no question but it is now as 
well.  Having actually worked in the music game for a while pre my time as a 
network engineer, some of the most musically skilled and diverse folks I’ve met 
were in the hip hop game.
I’ve seen Pink Floyd live by the way, that was a pretty amazing show 
out of all the shows I’ve been to.  Prince was also very high on that list.  
Willy Nelson would be a 3rd very high on that list and he has by far the nicest 
tour bus.:)  I met him on a recent swing through the Mohegan Sun casino as it 
was one of the shows my father’s business serviced and he was surprisingly 
accessible and hung out with us while we setup the room and built the stage 
sets.




> On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't understand you folks,
> 
> Some one on the street could offer me tickets to this guy and I'd say NO!
> 
> Now if someone like Vodafone NZ offered me tickets and the tools to go back 
> in time and see queen live at Wembley stadium in 86 then I'd be kissing that 
> company
> 
> Or even the orgional pink Floyd the wall concert.
> 
> Reall music for me none of this digital hip hop bull!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 26 August 2017 1:38 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sprint is offering new and existing customers a free ticket to 
> Jay-Z's 4:44 Tour
> 
> 
> It’s interesting how in bed with Sprint the Carters are now.  Tidal did a 
> huge deal with Sprint putting many dollars in his pocket and now there’s the 
> ticket offering.  I wonder how that came to be.  T-mobile you think of as 
> being more the company for younger folks but there you are.
>   I have to say I’m not a huge fan of 444 although it’s not bad I’m more 
> of a Blueprint or Black album man myself.  The American gangster soundtrack 
> was also very good, not to mention a great movie but then again, anything 
> Denzel Washington stars in is a great movie.
> Ok, now you’ve done it Mark, it’s super quiet and still in my office, I think 
> it’s time for a little JZ maybe Big Pimpin to spice up the vibe around here.:)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 24,
> 
>> 2017, at 10:44 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, August
>> 24, 2017 at 7:56 AM Sprint is offering new and existing customers a
>> free ticket to Jay-Z's 4:44 Tour If you're looking to go to Jay-Z's
>> upcoming 4:44 tour, you won't want to miss this deal from our friends
>> at Thrifter.
>> Whether you are thinking about making the move to Sprint from your
>> existing carrier, or are already a customer, you won't want to miss
>> out on this offer. Sprint has announced that through its partnership
>> with TIDAL it will be offering its customers a free ticket to Jay-Z's
>> upcoming 4:44 tour in one of 10 different cities across the U.S. You
>> will need to activate the free 6-month trial of TIDAL to qualify for
>> this promotion, and if you add two or more lines you can qualify for two 
>> tickets.
>> 
>> With ticket prices for this tour starting at around $40 and going as
>> high as $500, being able to score a free ticket from your cellular
>> carrier is pretty awesome. The dates and locations that are included in this 
>> promotion are:
>> .Las Vegas - Oct. 28
>> .Miami - Nov. 12
>> .Atlanta - Nov. 12
>> .Boston - Nov. 25
>> .Brooklyn, NY - Nov. 26
>> .Brooklyn, NY - Nov. 27
>> .Washington, D.C. - Nov. 29
>> .Chicago - Dec. 5
>> .San Diego - Dec. 19
>> .Los Angeles - Dec. 21
>> The catch here is that you'll only be able to score a free ticket for
>> one day, August 26. You'll want to make sure that you have located the
>> closest Sprint store prior to that since this offer is first come,
>> first served. The tickets are not transferable, exchangeable or
>> refundable, and if any scheduled event is delayed, postponed or
>> canceled for any reason, you will not be reimbursed for tickets.
>> 
>> 
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OT: we're pulling for you folks in the south

[Scott Granados]

Hi all, it seems important to say right now that I’m pulling for you folks down 
there in Texas and Luisiana.  That storm looks pretty rough news is reporting 
it’s approaching category 4 which is a no joke hurricane.  I lived through 
crazy weather in Florida and hurricanes in New England so I know about the ride 
you’re in for.  Don’t forget to stock up on beer and pop tarts so you have 
something to trade.;). (that’s a serious suggestion, that was standard 
procedure in our part of Florida). Keep your heads down and keep the powder 
dry.  Let us know how your doing if anyone’s in the way there.

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Re: Zendesk accessibility with Voiceover

[Scott Granados]

John  and Erik,
I’m very interested in this thread.  I am in the same boat with John.  
We use plan view which is absolutely tricky under both Safari and on the 
windows side with exploder.  Fields seem to move on me and appear in different 
places as well as a lot of controls that don’t seem to appear.  John, which 
time keeping tool are you using


> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> I have thought on your situation.  I think you need to first document the 
> issue for yourself, including technical steps you took to solve the issue and 
> time spent both on task, and working on solutions so that your company can 
> see the scope of the problem.  Then you want to use your own chain of 
> command.  IE, first show your document to your manager, and ask them to take 
> it to the next level, keeping you in the loop as the process takes shape.
> a
> It may seem that you have an H r issue, but actually, you may have an IT or 
> procurement issue.  Your manager is the person to get your document into the 
> right hands internally.  If your manager failed to support you in your 
> attempt to get the issue resolved, that would for sure be an HR issue.
> 
> In your document, you would probably be asking for one of two resolutions.
> First, have IT interface with the developer of the time sheet software to get 
> the bug fixed at the software level.
> Second, if that fails, procure and deploy a new time tracking software after 
> testing to make sure that new software meets all the company's needs 
> including diversity.
> 
> If your company is a good customer, they shouldn't need to threaten to get 
> things done.  Apparently zendesk was created a situation where they were 
> ignoring accessibility issues and refusing to co-operate.
> 
> If you are very lucky, the software you use is developed directly by your 
> company.  In that case, they can do everything internally and you can 
> participate in the solution.  Clearly you have the expertese required to do 
> that.
> 
> Above all, be positive and proactive.  Include your chain of command.  Be 
> thurough, and give the company every possible opportunity to help you if they 
> will.  If not, be sure to document that too and fall on them from a great 
> height if you have to, but this issue doesn't sound like something you should 
> have to put your job in jepperdy for.  Legal action or threat of action must 
> be the ultimate last resourt here.
> 
> Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help, though it sounds 
> like you have a good grasp of the situation.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik
> 
> On August 23, 2017 10:30:53 PM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
>> Wow, interesting my last two positions have required me to use a specific 
>> time keeping tool. The only way I can accurately determine what field I am 
>> placing my current hours in is to bring up the "id" of the HTML field 
>> (something like d0_12 would be the forth accounting code line  thirteen day 
>> on a time sheet. I started writing JAWS scripts to determine where I was but 
>> after one set of corruption I gave up. My company is supportive of 
>> diversity, but I have never talked to HR about how unusable the time system 
>> is. Even my sighted colleagues say it is difficult,. When I have 5 or 6 
>> billing codes in a time period then it takes me 15 minutes to enter my time 
>> and verify that it is placed correctly. 
>> Any templates of what to say especially since I have been working with this 
>> company for over a year and not complained yet.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Erik Burggraaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've neverr had an issue managing zendesk tickets as an end user.  Sorry to 
>>> hear it causes issues on the back end for blind tech support employees.
>>> 
>>> I think the best way to handle this is to have the employer write a letter. 
>>> The letter should come from the company's legal department and include 
>>> human resource contacts.  The letter should introduce the blind employee in 
>>> general terms and explain the hiring laws in the jurisdiction where the 
>>> company operates.  Then it should explain that the the employee would take 
>>> legal action against the company if the company on hiring them, did not 
>>> ficilitate their ability to perform the essential functions of the job.  
>>> Then it should explain that if the company were found liable for loss and 
>>> dammages caused by technical accessibility issues, the company would be 
>>> forced to take legal action against zendesk to recover their losses.  As a 
>>> remedy, the letter should suggest that all three parties work together to 
>>> address the accessibility of zendesk and thereby inprove accessibility in 
>>> many workplaces across the technical support industry.  It definitely 

Re: TunnelBear Completes Industry-First Consumer VPN Public Security Audit

[Scott Granados]

One of the reasons I like to roll my own (open VPN that is) is you can host in 
datacenter that aren’t blacklisted by the content providers.

You can also set your cryptographic settings and keys to the strength you want. 
 Of course you need to know how to Harden the server itself but that’s very 
doable.


> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:04 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, but there is a lot of marketing for both the Security Audit team 
> and the VPN provider in the report. I would expect most reputable VPN 
> providers (not free) would be doing equivalent audits  though apparently 
> Tunnel Bear is the first to put out publicity on its work. 
> 
> This is the second time I have heard of Tunnel Bear and both times were this 
> week. The first was on a podcast. They do have the feature of tunneling your 
> data to a IP address in another country. I wonder if content providers do any 
> blacklisting of VPN providers address space.  
>   I listen to. 
> 
> I would love to have been listening to the conversation when it was announced 
> that Security Bear user database had not been properly secured on a internal 
> machine.   
> 
> On 25 August 2017 at 10:28, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> VPN users on their Mac and iPhones may find this interesting.
> 
> 
> https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/tunnelbear_public_security_audit/ 
> 
> 
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Re: Sprint is offering new and existing customers a free ticket to Jay-Z's 4:44 Tour

[Scott Granados]

It’s interesting how in bed with Sprint the Carters are now.  Tidal did a huge 
deal with Sprint putting many dollars in his pocket and now there’s the ticket 
offering.  I wonder how that came to be.  T-mobile you think of as being more 
the company for younger folks but there you are.
I have to say I’m not a huge fan of 444 although it’s not bad I’m more 
of a Blueprint or Black album man myself.  The American gangster soundtrack was 
also very good, not to mention a great movie but then again, anything Denzel 
Washington stars in is a great movie.
Ok, now you’ve done it Mark, it’s super quiet and still in my office, I think 
it’s time for a little JZ maybe Big Pimpin to spice up the vibe around here.:)




> On Aug 24,

> 2017, at 10:44 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, August 24, 2017
> at 7:56 AM
> Sprint is offering new and existing customers a free ticket to Jay-Z's 4:44
> Tour
> If you're looking to go to Jay-Z's upcoming 4:44 tour, you won't want to
> miss this deal from our friends at Thrifter.
> Whether you are thinking about making the move to Sprint from your existing
> carrier, or are already a customer, you won't want to miss out on this
> offer. Sprint has announced that through its partnership with TIDAL it will
> be offering its customers a free ticket to Jay-Z's upcoming 4:44 tour in one
> of 10 different cities across the U.S. You will need to activate the free
> 6-month trial of TIDAL to qualify for this promotion, and if you add two or
> more lines you can qualify for two tickets.
> 
> With ticket prices for this tour starting at around $40 and going as high as
> $500, being able to score a free ticket from your cellular carrier is pretty
> awesome. The dates and locations that are included in this promotion are:
> . Las Vegas - Oct. 28
> . Miami - Nov. 12
> . Atlanta - Nov. 12
> . Boston - Nov. 25
> . Brooklyn, NY - Nov. 26
> . Brooklyn, NY - Nov. 27
> . Washington, D.C. - Nov. 29
> . Chicago - Dec. 5
> . San Diego - Dec. 19
> . Los Angeles - Dec. 21
> The catch here is that you'll only be able to score a free ticket for one
> day, August 26. You'll want to make sure that you have located the closest
> Sprint store prior to that since this offer is first come, first served. The
> tickets are not transferable, exchangeable or refundable, and if any
> scheduled event is delayed, postponed or canceled for any reason, you will
> not be reimbursed for tickets.
> 
> 
> More from Thrifter:
> For more great deals be sure to check out our friends at Thrifter now!
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Re: Ahead of iPhone 8, Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one year for $1' deal to switchers

[Scott Granados]

Mary, yes they do, they bought Virgin from Beardy Branson a few years ago.

> On Aug 24, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Doesn't virgin use the Sprint network? That would be a huge downside.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2017, at 7:42 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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>> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 5:58 AM
>> Ahead of iPhone 8, Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one year for
>> $1' deal to switchers
>> 
>> Virgin Mobile really loves iPhone users . After going iPhone-only back in
>> June, and offering a really sweet deal to those buying a new phone, it has
>> now extended the offer to existing iPhone owners switching to the carrier.
>> The carrier says that any iPhone owner who ports their number to Virgin will
>> be able to get the same 'all you can eat' $1 deal for a full 12 months .
>> 
>> When you bring your existing iPhone and transfer your phone number to the
>> "Inner Circle" plan, you will enjoy 12 months of unlimited talk, text and
>> high-speed data for just $1 on Virgin Mobile's nationwide network.
>> After the first year, you'll be switched to the company's standard
>> 'unlimited everything' plan, which costs $50 per month. The deal needn't end
>> there, though: you'll get an additional six months of service for $1 if you
>> upgrade to a new iPhone.
>> As we noted before, the usual carrier caveats apply: your data usage may be
>> 'deprioritized' if you go over 23GB a month, and terminated altogether if
>> you do a lot of roaming. To qualify, you'll need an iPhone 5s or later, and
>> the offer is subject to confirmation of compatibility with Virgin's network.
>> Virgin says that the deal is open for a short time, but doesn't specify a
>> cutoff date.
>> "At Virgin Mobile, we don't like playing by the rules, even our own," said
>> Dow Draper, CEO of Virgin Mobile USA. "Consumers know that the Inner Circle
>> is the real deal, but many love their current phones or don't want to
>> upgrade yet. So, now for a short period of time, you can bring your own
>> iPhone to Virgin Mobile and enjoy everything the Inner Circle offers -
>> including the savings - $1 for 12 months of service. It's also a great way
>> to try out the Virgin Mobile network with your own iPhone."
>> It does say that there will be a $25 charge for the SIM from September 29.
>> 
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Re: Wifi Behavior

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Just remove the non 5GHZ SSID from your list and then it will only join that 
one.  When you join both is when band steering kicks in.

> On Aug 24, 2017, at 12:35 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
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>   The SSID for the 5g has 5g in its name so I know which is active. The ponly 
> reason I knew it was changing bands was that my printer is not connected to 
> the 5g band and its not easy to change it on the printer.
> 
>   But it was fixed with a router update which I carried out yesterday.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> On 8/24/2017 7:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Use different SSIDs for 5 ghz and 2.4 ghz that way you join one or the 
>> other.  Else use one SSID and let it band steer to the frequency it wants 
>> because that’s usually a change do to conditions and signal strength etc.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 1:09 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  My Nighthawk AC1900 which supports 5g hss been commenting either to 5g or 
>>> the non 5g channel on the Mac and Windows. What can I do to keep it on one 
>>> or the other?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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Re: Printers that are easy to use and work with the Mac

[Scott Granados]

The HP 6815 all in one is a great option.  Has a web interface you can 
configure with to access all the printer features, easy install and good price 
point.

> On Aug 23, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> Hello there,
> 
> I am looking for a printer that is easy to use but will work wirelessly with 
> the Mac.  It needs to have fax, copy and printing capabilities please.  
> Thanks much.
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Re: Wifi Behavior

[Scott Granados]

Use different SSIDs for 5 ghz and 2.4 ghz that way you join one or the other.  
Else use one SSID and let it band steer to the frequency it wants because 
that’s usually a change do to conditions and signal strength etc.


> On Aug 23, 2017, at 1:09 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   My Nighthawk AC1900 which supports 5g hss been commenting either to 5g or 
> the non 5g channel on the Mac and Windows. What can I do to keep it on one or 
> the other?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options

[Scott Granados]

One for my room and one for the third floor area.  I moved a regular HD down 
stairs in the work out area and another in to the guest room so it was just to 
replace the two older sets.

> On Aug 23, 2017, at 2:49 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Great accessibility until you get to New Zealand and they have removed the 
> voice guidance feature from all their current model tvs
> 
> But 2 9500 curved tv's why 2?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 August 2017 2:23 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options
> 
> I have a 75 inch curved display with QLED quantum dots.  I believe it’s 
> called a 9500 UHD series.  Supports HDR and 4K.  Great TV but expensive.  I 
> bought 2 of them for a little more than ten thousand.  Samsung has good 
> accessibility across the product line though you don’t have to buy so high 
> end.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Which Samsung TV do you have?
>> 
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 9:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options
>> 
>> I think it depends what platform you’re using.  My Samsung TV supports 
>> Netflix and Hulu among others very nicely with accessibility features.  
>> Apple TV is another good option that can be hit or miss but the apps you 
>> mention I think specifically are accessible.  Amazon Fire TV they tend to 
>> work ok as well.  Maybe you can let us know what you want to run these apps 
>> on for a more specific answer?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys:
>>> I see where Sling can now be watched on Chrome, and has a DVR cloud
>>> based option. Is the app and DVR accessible? What about Hulu live tv?
>>> I'm thinking about cord cutting.
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: Verizon permanently throttling video on all unlimited plans, as low as 480p on iPhones

[Scott Granados]

Well, T-Mobile tried this at one point and I think still has it in place.  When 
you hear about Binge on where people can stream unlimited video from certain 
sites, they down convert the signal if this feature is enabled.  Then there was 
a time they charged $25 extra for HD but I think that met resistance and went 
away or at least is less talked about now.  As an interesting point also, 
T-Mobile just increased from 28 to 32 megabytes the amount where they make the 
cut for throttling so they increased the bandwidth available.
I think it’s likely any company will throttle traffic on busy towers, 
that’s not unreasonable but down converting video I think will hit people the 
wrong way.

> On Aug 23, 2017, at 6:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I was just about to write something to that effect.
> 
> I had a bad experience with T-Mobile years ago, so have avoided it 
> assiduously.  But this, along with the info Scot has shared re network 
> expansion, ismaking me think about giving them another go.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 1:04 AM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> They just lost a bunch of customers to  att , t-mobile and sprint. All those 
>> customers are going to be those switchers that t-mobile has been targeting 
>> lately . Now they have even more bullets in their firing armor.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:56 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Verizon permanently throttling video on all unlimited plans, as 
>> low as 480p on iPhones
>> 
>> VZW what a rip off!
>> 
>> On 8/23/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 9to5Mac - Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 4:29 AM Verizon permanently
>>> throttling video on all unlimited plans, as low as 480p on iPhones
>>> 
>>> We noted last month that Verizon was throttling Netflix and YouTube
>>> usage for 'unlimited' plan users even before they hit the 22GB level
>>> at which the company says it may reduce bandwidth - and it has now
>>> been revealed that this was just stage one.
>>> Verizon is now starting to throttle all video on its 'unlimited'
>>> plans, with bandwidth limited to as little as 480p when watching on a
>>> smartphone .
>>> 
>>> As The Verge reports, Verizon is splitting out its so-called unlimited
>>> plan into three versions.
>>> .   Go Unlimited: $75/month. Video capped to 480p on smartphones, 720p
>>> on tablets.
>>> .   Beyond Unlimited: $85/month. Video capped to 720p on smartphones,
>>> 1080p on tablets.
>>> .   Business Unlimited: Price varies. Video capped to 480p on
>>> smartphones, 720p on tablets.
>>> Not only this, but unlike the previous plan which allowed the carrier
>>> to reduce your data speeds after 22GB in one month, small-print in the
>>> basic Go Unlimited plan lets Verizon do so any time there is network
>>> congestion - aka the company not providing enough bandwidth to meet
>>> customer needs. The company does say than anyone unhappy with
>>> performance on this plan can upgrade to Beyond.
>>> Existing customers can keep their current plan, and you'll also get
>>> 15GB of full-speed LTE hotspot usage (up from 10GB) - but that still
>>> won't protect you from video throttling.
>>> This is what's likely going to enrage Verizon customers most. No
>>> matter what plan you're on - whether it's the old, grandfathered
>>> unlimited data plan or a tiered plan or the new unlimited plan -
>>> Verizon is taking a tighter grip over video streaming. "Moving
>>> forward, HD video on all legacy plans will also match Beyond
>>> Unlimited's HD quality."
>>> So you'll soon be limited to a maximum video quality of 720p streaming
>>> on phones and 1080p if you've got a tablet on your plan.
>>> The company claims that nobody can tell the difference between 720p
>>> and higher on a phone and 1080p and better on a tablet, claims which
>>> are clearly ridiculous on an iPhone and iPad.
>>> Customers were able to circumvent the previous Netflix- and
>>> YouTube-specific throttling by using a compatible VPN, but it's
>>> unclear whether this will help if the company is limiting the
>>> bandwidth of all video. The new limits kick in tomorrow for new
>>> customers, and 'soon' for existing ones, so it seems we won't have to
>>> wait long before we find out.
>>> 
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Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options

[Scott Granados]

You know, you might just want to call your carrier and tell them you’re going 
to cut the cord they might drop your price drastically like Verizon did for me. 
 I have FIOS and at the time had the ultimate package, all the pay channels, 
500 megabits up and down internet and the quantum DVR package which included 
thousands of hours of storage time.  Whole plan cost me about $451 per month.  
Like you after a while I thought this was a bit whacky and with my new 
televisions and good set top boxes I was going to cut the cord.  So, I call 
Verizon, tell them the drill and the rep tells me that I really don’t want to 
do that and let me see what I can do.  She came back about 5 minutes later and 
offered me twice the speed so I have full gigabit in both directions, the same 
TV package and all the same services and she dropped to $231.  So it’s worth a 
20 minute call.  So many people are doing this they are offering aggressive 
retention deals.

Good luck.


> On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Awesome! If I ever need a new TV, will have to check them out. I love the 
> sound on the Vizio but there isn't any accessible menus. I also cannot reach 
> the ports in the back. Mine only has 1 hdmi port. I want more on my next tv 
> since everything plugs in to HDMI.
> Just trying to decide about droping directv. Combining Internet and TV my 
> bill is about $300 a month. That is ridiculous.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options
> 
> The built in sound isn’t bad now, I know what you mean it’s definitely 
> improved from the initial slim frame days.  The curved TV sounds good with a 
> decent sound field in front.  You have 3 preprogrammed sound modes including 
> standard which is basically everything 0ed out, optimized which is their idea 
> of enhanced and then amplified which seems to have the mids around voice 
> boosted.  Optimized isn’t bad so I go with that.  In standard you can also 
> set the equalizer which is completely accessible.  The other nice thing is 
> you get an optical out on the termination box where all your ports are.  The 
> nice thing about the larger curved televisions is you have a multi pin heavy 
> cable that goes from the set to a break out box where all your ports are 
> conveniently set up for you.  No reaching around behind the set or leaving a 
> gap against the wall so it’s very nice to wire up.  You have optical out 
> though so you can drop Dolby / DTS right in to your AV system.  I myself go 
> optical right in to a sound bar and use that instead of the built in sound 
> but at night when I don’t want to use the sub I use the regular TV audio and 
> it’s what I’d call very satisfactory.  Not mind blowing but really good for a 
> flat screen.
> 
> How’s that
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Good to know about the accessibility. How is the sound? Their TVS use to 
>> sound horrible.
>> 
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 9:23 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options
>> 
>> I have a 75 inch curved display with QLED quantum dots.  I believe it’s 
>> called a 9500 UHD series.  Supports HDR and 4K.  Great TV but expensive.  I 
>> bought 2 of them for a little more than ten thousand.  Samsung has good 
>> accessibility across the product line though you don’t have to buy so high 
>> end.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Which Samsung TV do you have?
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 9:11 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options
>>> 
>>> I think it depends what platform you’re using.  My Samsung TV supports 
>>> Netflix and Hulu among others very nicely with accessi

Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options

[Scott Granados]

The built in sound isn’t bad now, I know what you mean it’s definitely improved 
from the initial slim frame days.  The curved TV sounds good with a decent 
sound field in front.  You have 3 preprogrammed sound modes including standard 
which is basically everything 0ed out, optimized which is their idea of 
enhanced and then amplified which seems to have the mids around voice boosted.  
Optimized isn’t bad so I go with that.  In standard you can also set the 
equalizer which is completely accessible.  The other nice thing is you get an 
optical out on the termination box where all your ports are.  The nice thing 
about the larger curved televisions is you have a multi pin heavy cable that 
goes from the set to a break out box where all your ports are conveniently set 
up for you.  No reaching around behind the set or leaving a gap against the 
wall so it’s very nice to wire up.  You have optical out though so you can drop 
Dolby / DTS right in to your AV system.  I myself go optical right in to a 
sound bar and use that instead of the built in sound but at night when I don’t 
want to use the sub I use the regular TV audio and it’s what I’d call very 
satisfactory.  Not mind blowing but really good for a flat screen.

How’s that

> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Good to know about the accessibility. How is the sound? Their TVS use to 
> sound horrible.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 9:23 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options
> 
> I have a 75 inch curved display with QLED quantum dots.  I believe it’s 
> called a 9500 UHD series.  Supports HDR and 4K.  Great TV but expensive.  I 
> bought 2 of them for a little more than ten thousand.  Samsung has good 
> accessibility across the product line though you don’t have to buy so high 
> end.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Which Samsung TV do you have?
>> 
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 9:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options
>> 
>> I think it depends what platform you’re using.  My Samsung TV supports 
>> Netflix and Hulu among others very nicely with accessibility features.  
>> Apple TV is another good option that can be hit or miss but the apps you 
>> mention I think specifically are accessible.  Amazon Fire TV they tend to 
>> work ok as well.  Maybe you can let us know what you want to run these apps 
>> on for a more specific answer?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys:
>>> I see where Sling can now be watched on Chrome, and has a DVR cloud
>>> based option. Is the app and DVR accessible? What about Hulu live tv?
>>> I'm thinking about cord cutting.
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
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Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options

[Scott Granados]

I have a 75 inch curved display with QLED quantum dots.  I believe it’s called 
a 9500 UHD series.  Supports HDR and 4K.  Great TV but expensive.  I bought 2 
of them for a little more than ten thousand.  Samsung has good accessibility 
across the product line though you don’t have to buy so high end.


> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Which Samsung TV do you have?
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 9:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options
> 
> I think it depends what platform you’re using.  My Samsung TV supports 
> Netflix and Hulu among others very nicely with accessibility features.  Apple 
> TV is another good option that can be hit or miss but the apps you mention I 
> think specifically are accessible.  Amazon Fire TV they tend to work ok as 
> well.  Maybe you can let us know what you want to run these apps on for a 
> more specific answer?
> 
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys:
>> I see where Sling can now be watched on Chrome, and has a DVR cloud
>> based option. Is the app and DVR accessible? What about Hulu live tv?
>> I'm thinking about cord cutting.
>> 
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>> 
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Re: Sling TV and Cord Cutting Options

[Scott Granados]

I think it depends what platform you’re using.  My Samsung TV supports Netflix 
and Hulu among others very nicely with accessibility features.  Apple TV is 
another good option that can be hit or miss but the apps you mention I think 
specifically are accessible.  Amazon Fire TV they tend to work ok as well.  
Maybe you can let us know what you want to run these apps on for a more 
specific answer?


> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys:
> I see where Sling can now be watched on Chrome, and has a DVR cloud based
> option. Is the app and DVR accessible? What about Hulu live tv?
> I'm thinking about cord cutting.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

Nah, you don’t want them, they aren’t a good phone.

We recycle them because we want get these devices out of circulation.  Also we 
don’t want any liability for any of the gear so it all gets wiped and broken 
down for their components.
 

> On Aug 21, 2017, at 4:49 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Well rather than throwing them away send a couple my way, I've got family 
> that will use them 
> 
> Hell that's a waste of a good device.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, 21 August 2017 2:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
> 
> The S8 has many reboot issues, freezing, the fingerprint censor is mounted 
> right next to the camera so you smudge your lens every time you authenticate, 
> the processor is slow, the Bixby feature isn’t that compelling other than 
> good internal phone control, and I could keep going.  Mainly another lack 
> luster at best showing from Samsung.  Some like the phone but I used it for a 
> week and at the end convinced work to send over 150 of them to the recycler 
> my experience was so unfavorable.
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What's wrong with the S8 devices?
>> 
>> And why re release the note 7, it's a dog of a device, no one will trust it 
>> and besides they will have to release at a lower price to fit in with the 
>> note 8 release
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2017 4:31 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
>> 
>> Funnier than that Simon, Samsung is rereleasing the note 7 as well.  SO 
>> there’s almost certainly fires in our future.:). My employer just sent 150 
>> S8 phones to the recycler.
>> 
>>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> Your comments on Samsung and their products recall and release,
>>> 
>>> The proof should be released on Wednesday the 23rd august,
>>> 
>>> Samsung are to release the new note 8,
>>> 
>>> No word yet on it's burn time but hey we all remember the note 7
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lets see what happens this time round.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 9:03 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
>>> 
>>> Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense including 
>>> in this case.  Let’s review.
>>> 
>>> First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were 
>>> awful.  Also very little was deployed across the network.
>>> Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
>>> LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 
>>> hour battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, 
>>> T-Mobile was all in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a 
>>> shortage of LTE chips.
>>> Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
>>> chip yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that 
>>> will fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put 
>>> the sim?  By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you 
>>> use up to much space not to mention increase the complexity of water 
>>> proofing.  The E-SIM saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and 
>>> modem hardware and you still have the full bluetooth channel back to your 
>>> phone for placing calls. FaceTime or Skype would also likely be options 
>>> over this high speed data channel but VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm 
>>> doesn’t have that included yet). So you have to build for the parts you can 
>>> get access to and this year data only is the option.  Remember the phones 
>>> all started out LTE data only at first as well, not just Apple but everyone.
>>> 
>>> Apple doesn’t put something in a p

Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

The S8 has many reboot issues, freezing, the fingerprint censor is mounted 
right next to the camera so you smudge your lens every time you authenticate, 
the processor is slow, the Bixby feature isn’t that compelling other than good 
internal phone control, and I could keep going.  Mainly another lack luster at 
best showing from Samsung.  Some like the phone but I used it for a week and at 
the end convinced work to send over 150 of them to the recycler my experience 
was so unfavorable.

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> What's wrong with the S8 devices?
> 
> And why re release the note 7, it's a dog of a device, no one will trust it 
> and besides they will have to release at a lower price to fit in with the 
> note 8 release
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2017 4:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
> 
> Funnier than that Simon, Samsung is rereleasing the note 7 as well.  SO 
> there’s almost certainly fires in our future.:). My employer just sent 150 S8 
> phones to the recycler.
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Your comments on Samsung and their products recall and release,
>> 
>> The proof should be released on Wednesday the 23rd august,
>> 
>> Samsung are to release the new note 8,
>> 
>> No word yet on it's burn time but hey we all remember the note 7
>> 
>> 
>> Lets see what happens this time round.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 9:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
>> 
>> Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense including 
>> in this case.  Let’s review.
>> 
>> First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were 
>> awful.  Also very little was deployed across the network.
>>  Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
>> LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 
>> hour battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, T-Mobile 
>> was all in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a shortage of LTE 
>> chips.
>>  Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
>> chip yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that 
>> will fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put 
>> the sim?  By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you use 
>> up to much space not to mention increase the complexity of water proofing.  
>> The E-SIM saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and modem hardware 
>> and you still have the full bluetooth channel back to your phone for placing 
>> calls. FaceTime or Skype would also likely be options over this high speed 
>> data channel but VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm doesn’t have that 
>> included yet). So you have to build for the parts you can get access to and 
>> this year data only is the option.  Remember the phones all started out LTE 
>> data only at first as well, not just Apple but everyone.
>> 
>> Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works, 
>> every time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but 
>> you get the instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this 
>> with their restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good 
>> ability to field upgrade with software to correct these problems though but 
>> Apple is shooting for a stable error free but conservative experience.
>> 
>> 
>> Aug 16, 2017, at 2:05 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I 
>>> really wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking.
>>> 
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Re: Apple MacBook Air (2017) review - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Nah the magic keyboard is very streamline. I have a separate pocket in my 
laptop bag where it fits nicely.  Really like it because I can kick back in my 
cube with my headphones on and feet up on my desk hahaha and not hold the 
weight of the laptop.  Also the key feel is quite good for a wireless keyboard. 
 It’s the size of the 15 inch MacBook Pro keyboard with function keys.  It’s 
not like carrying around one of the big Logitech deals.

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeha the processor is currently on the lower side, but I'm still not a fan of 
> the touch bar and or keyboard,
> As for magic keyboard, yeah just another pease of crap to cary aroiund with 
> me.
> 
> 
> A good thing though is I'm able to do more and more from my iPad except 
> currently for powershell command line stuff which is really only limiting 
> when working with exchange
> Still I'd rather have the 11inch air  with upscaled processor ram and hdd
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2017 4:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple MacBook Air (2017) review - CNET
> 
> Don’t go with a non touch bar version, you won’t like the processor hit.  
> Just use a magic keyboard.  I have one and love it now that I’m used to it.
> 
> I think my favorite laptop though is still my MacBook Pro 15 Mid 2016 with a 
> 2.8 GHz quad core I7, upgraded graphics and a TB of SSD along with the built 
> in MagSafe.  I have no idea why they canned MagSafe, I like it as well.  They 
> do make a USB-C to MagSafe adapter though which brings it back all be it 
> through an adapter to your laptops.  Good thing is you can reuse the old 
> power cords then instead of having to buy all new USB-C power cubes.
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:47 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I love my air 11inch from mid 2013
>> 
>> I will need to look at a new machine next year but can't find one I 
>> currently like.
>> 
>> The new keyboards put me offand yeah the lack of magsafe adaptor again puts 
>> me off.
>> 
>> As for the processor yeah I'm going to have to go to a mac book pro
>> without the touch bar Faster processor and more ram Still I want an 11
>> inch body.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Friday, 18 August 2017 12:08 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple MacBook Air (2017) review - CNET
>> 
>> CNET Reviews - Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 4:00 AM Apple MacBook Air (2017) 
>> review - CNET Apple's MacBook Air is as close to iconic as a piece of 
>> consumer technology gets. It's the single laptop model you're most likely to 
>> see everywhere, from college campuses to airports to coffee shops and even 
>> offices. And it's been that way for a very long time.
>> That's the problem. Not counting an incremental spec bump in mid-2017, this 
>> is still internally almost the same MacBook Air as the last refresh in 2015, 
>> and externally, it's had basically the same design since 2010 (when the 
>> original 2008 design got an overhaul). In technology terms, that's roughly 
>> forever.
>> Sarah Tew/CNET
>> But it's also a testament to what a strong product the Air was in its
>> heyday. To have a laptop that looks and feels the same as it did for
>> so many years while still a maintaining a loyal following, that's a
>> rare achievement. The MacBook Air is no longer the
>> best-for-almost-everyone device it once was, but it's the least
>> expensive way (by far) to get MacOS on a laptop, so there's certainly
>> still a place for it. Note that the Air we tested had a Core i7 CPU
>> and 256GB SSD upgrade, for a total of $1,349,
>> £1,234 or AU$2,039. The Air still starts at $999, £949 and AU$1,499, and can 
>> be found for even less online.
>> SYSTEM NAME
>> Price as reviewed$1,349, £1,234 or AU$2,039 (starts at $999, £949 or
>> AU$1,499)
>> Display size/resolution  13-inch, 1,440x900-pixel display
>> CPU  2.2GHz Intel Core i7-5650U
>> Memory   8GB DDR3 SDRAM 1,600MHz
>> Graphics 1,536MB Intel HD Graphics 6000
>> Storage  256GB SSD
>> Networking   802.11ac Wi-Fi wireless; Bluetooth 4.0
>> Operating system MacOS 10.12.6 Sierra
>> Still kicking
>> And a lot about the MacBook Air still works. As a long-time Air user, but 
>> also someone who hasn't spent a lot of time 

Re: One mistake people make using public WiFi, USA Today

[Scott Granados]

It’s a throw away phone that you buy prepaid.  You don’t associate your name 
with it or anything.  They sell them in Walmarts for example these prepaid one 
time use phones.  Comes from a phone to burn up and use.  You use them a lot 
for avoiding surveillance.

> On Aug 20, 2017, at 9:33 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What's a burner?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: August 20, 2017 5:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: One mistake people make using public WiFi, USA Today
> 
> Janina, whole heartedly agree.  I’m going to go to Defcon next near and 
> already talking to friends about going I’m told not to use any of these 
> services.  In fact I should bring a burner phone and make sure everything is 
> encrypted.  This sort of policy though maybe minus the burner phone should be 
> the norm.  You never know there could be some knuckle head, like me for 
> example, the next room over with a WiFi capturing device grabbing everything 
> out of the air and capturing it for what ever use you wish.  I have such a 
> box and use it for demonstrating how shady public WiFi can be.  You can take 
> this box to a Starbucks and then with in minutes start grabbing passwords, 
> emails, financial information and anything people are browsing right out of 
> the air.  I have a hook in to Amazon AWS which then spins up enough virtual 
> machines to crack some ciphers or if you reverse things a bit you can direct 
> attack encrypted WiFi networks and many times break them open.
>   Now to be fair, the GSM protocols have been cracked but it’s not 
> trivial to do.  Janina’s advice is very sound use your cellular connection 
> and ideally with a VPN on top.  Then you don’t have to worry about snoopers 
> nearly as much.  Some of these things also become even more important when 
> traveling over seas.  If traveling to Russia for example you might just want 
> to leave your devices at home.  China is also one where you need to think and 
> again possibly use a burner or leave the devices home.  Depends on the value 
> of the data you host.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2017, at 3:00 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Or, better still, with an unlimited data plan from your telco you can
>> just skip the wifi and stay with your telco.
>> 
>> I've been doing this at conferences I attend. I have a lot less
>> trouble than my colleagues who are struggling with conference wifi and
>> its vagaries.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> M. Taylor writes:
>>> One mistake people make using public Wi-Fi Kim Komando , Special for
>>> USA TODAY Modern Greyhound buses offer free WiFi, a feature the
>>> company hopes will attract younger travelers. (Photo: Greyhound) If
>>> I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: Avoid doing
>>> anything you would not want anyone in the world to know on public
>>> Wi-Fi. You may think you're safe in that busy café or big-name hotel,
>>> but public Wi-Fi is a major liability. It doesn't matter how safe the
>>> connection seems to be; your computer is vulnerable to hackers
>>> because you have no idea who is really in charge of that router or
>>> who has access to it and all the data that passes through it.
>>> Knowledge is power. Learn how crooks attack your computer on public
>>> Wi-Fi. There are lots of ways to protect yourself, of course. Your
>>> best defense is a virtual private network (VPN), which can prevent
>>> nosy strangers from snooping on your browser. You can also employ the
>>> usual firewalls and antivirus software to defend your computer from
>>> hackers and malware. Learn more about VPNs and safe browsing on
>>> public WiFi. Even the best security systems have their weaknesses,
>>> and you have likely never heard of this one: File sharing on a public
>>> network can expose your computer to data thieves. This is a scary
>>> problem because you may not even realize that you're sharing files.
>>> But if your computer is on the wrong setting, you may attract any
>>> number of cyber-criminals. So how do you make sure your computer
>>> isn't leaking information by accident? File sharing is very handy,
>>> especially for groups of people. Whether you're using iCloud,
>>> Dropbox, or Google Drive, file sharing allows a large team to work on
>>> a single project at once, or families to browse digital photo albums,
>>> or data speciali

Re: One mistake people make using public WiFi, USA Today

[Scott Granados]

Janina, whole heartedly agree.  I’m going to go to Defcon next near and already 
talking to friends about going I’m told not to use any of these services.  In 
fact I should bring a burner phone and make sure everything is encrypted.  This 
sort of policy though maybe minus the burner phone should be the norm.  You 
never know there could be some knuckle head, like me for example, the next room 
over with a WiFi capturing device grabbing everything out of the air and 
capturing it for what ever use you wish.  I have such a box and use it for 
demonstrating how shady public WiFi can be.  You can take this box to a 
Starbucks and then with in minutes start grabbing passwords, emails, financial 
information and anything people are browsing right out of the air.  I have a 
hook in to Amazon AWS which then spins up enough virtual machines to crack some 
ciphers or if you reverse things a bit you can direct attack encrypted WiFi 
networks and many times break them open.
Now to be fair, the GSM protocols have been cracked but it’s not 
trivial to do.  Janina’s advice is very sound use your cellular connection and 
ideally with a VPN on top.  Then you don’t have to worry about snoopers nearly 
as much.  Some of these things also become even more important when traveling 
over seas.  If traveling to Russia for example you might just want to leave 
your devices at home.  China is also one where you need to think and again 
possibly use a burner or leave the devices home.  Depends on the value of the 
data you host.



> On Aug 19, 2017, at 3:00 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Or, better still, with an unlimited data plan from your telco you can
> just skip the wifi and stay with your telco.
> 
> I've been doing this at conferences I attend. I have a lot less trouble
> than my colleagues who are struggling with conference wifi and its
> vagaries.
> 
> Janina
> 
> M. Taylor writes:
>> One mistake people make using public Wi-Fi Kim Komando , Special for USA
>> TODAY
>> Modern Greyhound buses offer free WiFi, a feature the company hopes will
>> attract younger travelers. (Photo: Greyhound) If I've said it once, I've
>> said it a thousand times: Avoid doing anything you would not want anyone in
>> the world to know on public Wi-Fi. You may think you're safe in that busy
>> café or big-name hotel, but public Wi-Fi is a major liability. It doesn't
>> matter how safe the connection seems to be; your computer is vulnerable to
>> hackers because you have no idea who is really in charge of that router or
>> who has access to it and all the data that passes through it. Knowledge is
>> power. Learn how crooks attack your computer on public Wi-Fi. There are lots
>> of ways to protect yourself, of course. Your best defense is a virtual
>> private network (VPN), which can prevent nosy strangers from snooping on
>> your browser. You can also employ the usual firewalls and antivirus software
>> to defend your computer from hackers and malware. Learn more about VPNs and
>> safe browsing on public WiFi. Even the best security systems have their
>> weaknesses, and you have likely never heard of this one: File sharing on a
>> public network can expose your computer to data thieves. This is a scary
>> problem because you may not even realize that you're sharing files. But if
>> your computer is on the wrong setting, you may attract any number of
>> cyber-criminals. So how do you make sure your computer isn't leaking
>> information by accident? File sharing is very handy, especially for groups
>> of people. Whether you're using iCloud, Dropbox, or Google Drive, file
>> sharing allows a large team to work on a single project at once, or families
>> to browse digital photo albums, or data specialists to organize large
>> batches of information. This is very convenient, as long as you're on your
>> own secure network. But if you're sharing files on public Wi-Fi, your
>> folders may be accessible to anyone connected to the same public network. In
>> other words, file sharing automatically exposes your computer and everything
>> you intend to share. Your vacation photos may end up in the wrong hands, and
>> so could your contracts, spreadsheets, and tax information. In fact, you
>> don't have to be a hacker to take advantage of shared folders. Anyone who
>> looks around their network folders can instantly run a search and find
>> unguarded files. It works the other way around too. An attacker can also set
>> up a shared folder with malicious files. You may stumble into the mysterious
>> folder and think, "Wait a minute, where did this come from? Then you click
>> on it, releasing the malware onto the desktop. There are other ways you can
>> get into trouble. Learn how to avoid getting hacked on the road. Want to
>> ensure your privacy? Make sure to turn off file sharing before you connect
>> to public WiFi. Here's how to do it: 1. Search for "Control Panel" then
>> click on the 

Re: Apple MacBook Air (2017) review - CNET

[Scott Granados]

That’s a good laptop.  That should serve you well for a while yet.


> On Aug 18, 2017, at 5:24 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Getting rid of magsafe seemed like a bad idea. Good thing you can get
> the adapter to make it work though. I hope I can get a few years out
> this 13 inch 2015 MBP, because I have no wish to replace it anytime
> soon.
> 
> On 8/18/17, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mark, this was a great article.
>> 
>> I have contemplated an air for years but never pulled the trigger for some
>> of the reasons the author mentioned.  Lack of a quad core processor being
>> the biggest for me.  I use many parallel virtual machines so cores are
>> important to me.  One reason I’m looking forward to the iMac pro.  (I’m
>> already saving up for that 17,000 price tag)
>> 
>> Love this article though, thank you for posting.
>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2017, at 8:07 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> CNET Reviews - Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 4:00 AM
>>> Apple MacBook Air (2017) review - CNET
>>> Apple's MacBook Air is as close to iconic as a piece of consumer
>>> technology
>>> gets. It's the single laptop model you're most likely to see everywhere,
>>> from college campuses to airports to coffee shops and even offices. And
>>> it's
>>> been that way for a very long time.
>>> That's the problem. Not counting an incremental spec bump in mid-2017,
>>> this
>>> is still internally almost the same MacBook Air as the last refresh in
>>> 2015,
>>> and externally, it's had basically the same design since 2010 (when the
>>> original 2008 design got an overhaul). In technology terms, that's
>>> roughly
>>> forever.
>>> Sarah Tew/CNET
>>> But it's also a testament to what a strong product the Air was in its
>>> heyday. To have a laptop that looks and feels the same as it did for so
>>> many
>>> years while still a maintaining a loyal following, that's a rare
>>> achievement. The MacBook Air is no longer the best-for-almost-everyone
>>> device it once was, but it's the least expensive way (by far) to get
>>> MacOS
>>> on a laptop, so there's certainly still a place for it. Note that the Air
>>> we
>>> tested had a Core i7 CPU and 256GB SSD upgrade, for a total of $1,349,
>>> £1,234 or AU$2,039. The Air still starts at $999, £949 and AU$1,499, and
>>> can
>>> be found for even less online.
>>> SYSTEM NAME
>>> Price as reviewed   $1,349, £1,234 or AU$2,039 (starts at $999, £949 or
>>> AU$1,499)
>>> Display size/resolution 13-inch, 1,440x900-pixel display
>>> CPU 2.2GHz Intel Core i7-5650U
>>> Memory  8GB DDR3 SDRAM 1,600MHz
>>> Graphics1,536MB Intel HD Graphics 6000
>>> Storage 256GB SSD
>>> Networking  802.11ac Wi-Fi wireless; Bluetooth 4.0
>>> Operating systemMacOS 10.12.6 Sierra
>>> Still kicking
>>> And a lot about the MacBook Air still works. As a long-time Air user, but
>>> also someone who hasn't spent a lot of time on one over the last few
>>> years,
>>> firing up the 2017 version felt like visiting an old friend.
>>> There's the just-right size of the 13-inch screen, still the best balance
>>> between viewability and portability; the rock-solid aluminum body, which
>>> can
>>> stand up to years of abuse; and the chunky island-style keyboard, itself
>>> now
>>> extinct across the rest of the MacBook line, replaced by super-shallow
>>> butterfly keys that lack this level of tactile feedback.
>>> Sarah Tew/CNET
>>> The Air also scores points for being the last MacBook with a good,
>>> old-fashioned USB-A port. You know, the kind that every mouse, memory key
>>> and other accessory you own fits into. The MacBook Pro and the 12-inch
>>> MacBook have both gone all-in on USB-C, which is forward-looking to be
>>> sure,
>>> but a limiting frustration for many.
>>> Picking it up, I was reminded of another reason I loved this particular
>>> laptop line for so long: the MagSafe power connection. The plug, which
>>> automatically pulls away from the body when you yank the cord or trip
>>> over
>>> it, remains one of the most brilliant bits of consumer PC engineering
>>> ever.
>>> Sarah Tew/CNET
>>> It's since been replaced by USB-C power connections, which are handy for
>>> sharing data, power, video and other connections thr

Re: App to make the solar eclipse accessible

[Scott Granados]

This topic came up on an Apple list as well and I’d just like to bring to the 
attention of our group here all the wonderful sounds from space that are 
available.  An audio representation of the eclipse is a great idea but have you 
ever heard the sound of the rings of Saturn?  How about the Northern and 
Southern lights?  The sounds of pulsars are startling in their almost 
artificial sound and yes it’s totally possible to hear the echoes of the Big 
Bang from the microwave spectrum.  As a young child I remember being under 
attack by all sorts of invisible man in the sky believers and to counter this 
my parents encouraged me to learn about Science.  I befriended a local science 
teacher who taught me astronomy (I was about 9 years old at the time) and also 
a fellow from the local phone company who taught me electronics where my 
father’s abilities left off.  I mention this here because one of the first 
things I did was scrounge up a huge dish from an old satellite ground station 
and modify it to become a small radio telescope in my back yard.  One of the 
first things I picked up was the Smoot radiation from the big bang and actually 
hearing the echoes of the creation of the universe hooked me for life. I then 
started to write software on an old Apple 2E to decode that radiation and 
generate both numeric and visual representations of the background radiation 
which could paint a picture of how the massive ripples of the expansion of 
space and time echoed across over 13.5 billion years.  It’s such a good way for 
a blind person, especially children to connect with the wonders of nature and 
science which sometimes can be painfully visual.   If there’s any interest and 
nobody objects about it being off topic I would be happy to post links to some 
of this audio and big thanks to Janina for pointing this out.





> On Aug 18, 2017, at 5:40 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> People living anywhere proximate to the coming solar eclipse might want
> to look into a special app intended to help blind and visually impaired
> people experience this upcoming celestial event:
> 
> https://www.space.com/37746-solar-eclipse-experience-for-visually-impaired.html
> 
> The app, Eclipse Soundscape, may well be available via Itunes Appstore.
> I haven't checked, though.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Janina
> 
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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

Simon, the watch does this now  If you have WiFi calling support from your 
carrier you can shut your phone off entirely and still place and receive calls 
as long as your watch is connected to WiFi.  This feature came out in 2.1 if 
memory serves of Watch OS.  That may be another tight way of supporting calling 
on the watch.  Since the feature is there now it should work over LTE just 
fine, exactly like the iPad does.


> On Aug 18, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> This doesn't really make a lot of sense if there is no direct calling.
> 
> Ok you might get mobile data through the LTE but calling directly from the 
> watch would be great, although power draining on something watch sized.
> 
> Besides phone calling is possible through the watch now but as we know only 
> if the phone is within contact distance of the watch.
> 
> What would be wrong with a watch that utilizes the mobile account on the 
> phone to also be able to directly make phone calls  so that one account is 
> used by both devices even though  they are separate units.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 5:36 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
> 
> Interesting article about the cellular connection that will be added to the 
> Apple Watch 3.   Looks like an LTE and non LTE version will be available.  No 
> direct phone calling support but no reason SIP or other IP based calling 
> solutions (FaceTime) won’t work.  Read more here.
> 
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/16/kgi-apple-watch-lte-esim-phone/?pushup=1
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Re: Smart TV

[Scott Granados]

Simon, not sure which chrome cast you have but it works great on my Current 
model Samsung and auto switches beautifully.  For example, I can have my TV 
totally powered down and say to google home “play Star Trek on master bedroom 
TV from Netflix” and it automatically powers on the TV and by the time the TV 
boots the show is already streaming.  The chrome cast also supplies 4K.  The 
model I have is called the Ultra not sure if that’s what you’re using.  You may 
have to enable HDMI controls as well although in my set at least they were on 
by default.  Not sure what’s up there.

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi ET,
> 
> Sorry fo rthe delay.
> 
> Ok so over xmas new year this year I spent a few weeks looking into 
> accessible tv's here in NZ,
> 
> Unlike in the USA UK and austrailia  Samsung have removed the voice guidance 
> feature or screen reader from their NZ model devices, at least in the 2016 
> and later models.
> 
> I located a 2015 UHD 4K 55inch screen with all and more than I wanted.
> 
> I can't say I'm a fan of the in built features such as Netflix and the 
> webbrowser but he screen reader is great as it lets me set the device up 
> myself.
> 
> As for auto switching 
> Yeah sure does,
> 
> When I press a button on my apple tv Gen 4 remote  the tv switchs on and to 
> the HDMI channel the atv is connected to,
> 
> My blue ray player does the same thing when I press eject to open the tray 
> and put my disk in,
> 
> I can't get my chrome cast to do this though, however I don't use it a lot so 
> don't worry about ti,
> 
> The only real issues I have with the auto switching is when I want to listen 
> to music through my ATV  it turns the tv on also 
> 
> A pain in the a when you don't need a picture or even have one this I didin't 
> need to worry about when I had the gen 3 as I used optical to connect to the 
> sound system.
> 
> Hope this somewhat helps.-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> Subject: Smart TV
> 
>Am I correct in thinking that with one of these TVs, it will switch to an 
> active input source, such as Apple TV? Samsung brand? My current TV is 9 
> years old, might be time to replace it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

Funnier than that Simon, Samsung is rereleasing the note 7 as well.  SO there’s 
almost certainly fires in our future.:). My employer just sent 150 S8 phones to 
the recycler.

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Your comments on Samsung and their products recall and release,
> 
> The proof should be released on Wednesday the 23rd august,
> 
> Samsung are to release the new note 8,
> 
> No word yet on it's burn time but hey we all remember the note 7
> 
> 
> Lets see what happens this time round.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
> 
> Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense including 
> in this case.  Let’s review.
> 
> First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were 
> awful.  Also very little was deployed across the network.
>   Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
> LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 
> hour battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, T-Mobile 
> was all in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a shortage of LTE 
> chips.
>   Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
> chip yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that will 
> fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put the 
> sim?  By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you use up 
> to much space not to mention increase the complexity of water proofing.  The 
> E-SIM saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and modem hardware and 
> you still have the full bluetooth channel back to your phone for placing 
> calls. FaceTime or Skype would also likely be options over this high speed 
> data channel but VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm doesn’t have that included 
> yet). So you have to build for the parts you can get access to and this year 
> data only is the option.  Remember the phones all started out LTE data only 
> at first as well, not just Apple but everyone.
> 
> Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works, 
> every time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but you 
> get the instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this with 
> their restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good ability to 
> field upgrade with software to correct these problems though but Apple is 
> shooting for a stable error free but conservative experience.
> 
> 
>  Aug 16, 2017, at 2:05 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I really 
>> wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking. 
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Re: Apple MacBook Air (2017) review - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Mark, this was a great article.

I have contemplated an air for years but never pulled the trigger for some of 
the reasons the author mentioned.  Lack of a quad core processor being the 
biggest for me.  I use many parallel virtual machines so cores are important to 
me.  One reason I’m looking forward to the iMac pro.  (I’m already saving up 
for that 17,000 price tag)

Love this article though, thank you for posting.

> On Aug 17, 2017, at 8:07 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> CNET Reviews - Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 4:00 AM
> Apple MacBook Air (2017) review - CNET
> Apple's MacBook Air is as close to iconic as a piece of consumer technology
> gets. It's the single laptop model you're most likely to see everywhere,
> from college campuses to airports to coffee shops and even offices. And it's
> been that way for a very long time. 
> That's the problem. Not counting an incremental spec bump in mid-2017, this
> is still internally almost the same MacBook Air as the last refresh in 2015,
> and externally, it's had basically the same design since 2010 (when the
> original 2008 design got an overhaul). In technology terms, that's roughly
> forever. 
> Sarah Tew/CNET 
> But it's also a testament to what a strong product the Air was in its
> heyday. To have a laptop that looks and feels the same as it did for so many
> years while still a maintaining a loyal following, that's a rare
> achievement. The MacBook Air is no longer the best-for-almost-everyone
> device it once was, but it's the least expensive way (by far) to get MacOS
> on a laptop, so there's certainly still a place for it. Note that the Air we
> tested had a Core i7 CPU and 256GB SSD upgrade, for a total of $1,349,
> £1,234 or AU$2,039. The Air still starts at $999, £949 and AU$1,499, and can
> be found for even less online.  
> SYSTEM NAME
> Price as reviewed $1,349, £1,234 or AU$2,039 (starts at $999, £949 or
> AU$1,499) 
> Display size/resolution   13-inch, 1,440x900-pixel display 
> CPU   2.2GHz Intel Core i7-5650U 
> Memory8GB DDR3 SDRAM 1,600MHz 
> Graphics  1,536MB Intel HD Graphics 6000 
> Storage   256GB SSD 
> Networking802.11ac Wi-Fi wireless; Bluetooth 4.0 
> Operating system  MacOS 10.12.6 Sierra 
> Still kicking
> And a lot about the MacBook Air still works. As a long-time Air user, but
> also someone who hasn't spent a lot of time on one over the last few years,
> firing up the 2017 version felt like visiting an old friend. 
> There's the just-right size of the 13-inch screen, still the best balance
> between viewability and portability; the rock-solid aluminum body, which can
> stand up to years of abuse; and the chunky island-style keyboard, itself now
> extinct across the rest of the MacBook line, replaced by super-shallow
> butterfly keys that lack this level of tactile feedback. 
>  Sarah Tew/CNET 
> The Air also scores points for being the last MacBook with a good,
> old-fashioned USB-A port. You know, the kind that every mouse, memory key
> and other accessory you own fits into. The MacBook Pro and the 12-inch
> MacBook have both gone all-in on USB-C, which is forward-looking to be sure,
> but a limiting frustration for many. 
> Picking it up, I was reminded of another reason I loved this particular
> laptop line for so long: the MagSafe power connection. The plug, which
> automatically pulls away from the body when you yank the cord or trip over
> it, remains one of the most brilliant bits of consumer PC engineering ever. 
>  Sarah Tew/CNET 
> It's since been replaced by USB-C power connections, which are handy for
> sharing data, power, video and other connections through the same port, but
> not nearly as flexible. That classic MagSafe has rescued many, many laptops
> from a grim fate over the years, and that's just the ones I've personally
> almost killed. 
> Feeling its age
> But using a MacBook Air, even a brand new one, in 2017 feels like getting
> stuck in a bit of a time warp. The processor is years out of date compared
> to newer slim laptops -- even though the big update for 2017 is a slight
> base CPU uptick, from a 1.6GHz Intel Core i5 to a 1.8GHz one, or in our
> case, an optional 2.2GHz Core i7. All are from the same fifth generation of
> those chips, while Intel is about to announce details of the upcoming
> eighth-generation Core CPUs. 
> I'd argue that for websurfing, video streaming and social media, it's not a
> huge deal to have an older-generation processor, but for a thousand bucks
> and up, you're not wrong to want something newer. It is great, however, to
> get 8GB of RAM as the default now, over the previous 4GB. The optional Core
> i7 in our test system helped the Air keep pace with, or beat, some slim
> laptops with newer Core i5 CPUs. But much more importantly, the Air is still
> a battery life king, running more than 10 hours.
> 
> A 13-inch Pro vs. the 13-inch Air in a battle of the bezels. 
> Sarah Tew/CNET 
> The single biggest thing that keeps 

Re: Apple MacBook Air (2017) review - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Don’t go with a non touch bar version, you won’t like the processor hit.  Just 
use a magic keyboard.  I have one and love it now that I’m used to it.

I think my favorite laptop though is still my MacBook Pro 15 Mid 2016 with a 
2.8 GHz quad core I7, upgraded graphics and a TB of SSD along with the built in 
MagSafe.  I have no idea why they canned MagSafe, I like it as well.  They do 
make a USB-C to MagSafe adapter though which brings it back all be it through 
an adapter to your laptops.  Good thing is you can reuse the old power cords 
then instead of having to buy all new USB-C power cubes.

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:47 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I love my air 11inch from mid 2013 
> 
> I will need to look at a new machine next year but can't find one I currently 
> like.
> 
> The new keyboards put me offand yeah the lack of magsafe adaptor again puts 
> me off.
> 
> As for the processor yeah I'm going to have to go to a mac book pro without 
> the touch bar 
> Faster processor and more ram 
> Still I want an 11 inch body.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> CNET Reviews - Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 4:00 AM Apple MacBook Air (2017) 
> review - CNET Apple's MacBook Air is as close to iconic as a piece of 
> consumer technology gets. It's the single laptop model you're most likely to 
> see everywhere, from college campuses to airports to coffee shops and even 
> offices. And it's been that way for a very long time. 
> That's the problem. Not counting an incremental spec bump in mid-2017, this 
> is still internally almost the same MacBook Air as the last refresh in 2015, 
> and externally, it's had basically the same design since 2010 (when the 
> original 2008 design got an overhaul). In technology terms, that's roughly 
> forever. 
> Sarah Tew/CNET
> But it's also a testament to what a strong product the Air was in its heyday. 
> To have a laptop that looks and feels the same as it did for so many years 
> while still a maintaining a loyal following, that's a rare achievement. The 
> MacBook Air is no longer the best-for-almost-everyone device it once was, but 
> it's the least expensive way (by far) to get MacOS on a laptop, so there's 
> certainly still a place for it. Note that the Air we tested had a Core i7 CPU 
> and 256GB SSD upgrade, for a total of $1,349,
> £1,234 or AU$2,039. The Air still starts at $999, £949 and AU$1,499, and can 
> be found for even less online.  
> SYSTEM NAME
> Price as reviewed $1,349, £1,234 or AU$2,039 (starts at $999, £949 or
> AU$1,499) 
> Display size/resolution   13-inch, 1,440x900-pixel display 
> CPU   2.2GHz Intel Core i7-5650U 
> Memory8GB DDR3 SDRAM 1,600MHz 
> Graphics  1,536MB Intel HD Graphics 6000 
> Storage   256GB SSD 
> Networking802.11ac Wi-Fi wireless; Bluetooth 4.0 
> Operating system  MacOS 10.12.6 Sierra 
> Still kicking
> And a lot about the MacBook Air still works. As a long-time Air user, but 
> also someone who hasn't spent a lot of time on one over the last few years, 
> firing up the 2017 version felt like visiting an old friend. 
> There's the just-right size of the 13-inch screen, still the best balance 
> between viewability and portability; the rock-solid aluminum body, which can 
> stand up to years of abuse; and the chunky island-style keyboard, itself now 
> extinct across the rest of the MacBook line, replaced by super-shallow 
> butterfly keys that lack this level of tactile feedback. 
>  Sarah Tew/CNET
> The Air also scores points for being the last MacBook with a good, 
> old-fashioned USB-A port. You know, the kind that every mouse, memory key and 
> other accessory you own fits into. The MacBook Pro and the 12-inch MacBook 
> have both gone all-in on USB-C, which is forward-looking to be sure, but a 
> limiting frustration for many. 
> Picking it up, I was reminded of another reason I loved this particular 
> laptop line for so long: the MagSafe power connection. The plug, which 
> automatically pulls away from the body when you yank the cord or trip over 
> it, remains one of the most brilliant bits of consumer PC engineering ever. 
>  Sarah Tew/CNET
> It's since been replaced by USB-C power connections, which are handy for 
> sharing data, power, video and other connections through the same port, but 
> not nearly as flexible. That classic MagSafe has rescued many, many laptops 
> from a grim fate over the years, and that's just the ones I've personally 
> almost killed. 
> Feeling its age
> But using a MacBook Air, even a brand new one, in 2017 feels like getting 
> stuck in a bit of a time warp. The processor is years out of date compared to 
> newer slim laptops -- even though the big update for 2017 is a slight base 
> CPU 

Re: Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?

[Scott Granados]

It’s also important to note that old versions of the software that were non 
subscription also work.  An old version of word will still be readable by the 
new.  The other way doesn’t work but you’ll get your resume out there in a 
suitable format to address the poster’s concerns.

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 3:36 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What happens to anybody in this situation, find a free or lowcost option with 
> limited accessibility or limited features. Many sighted people only use 
> Office at work because their employer pays for it. When they are between 
> jobs, they go to places like libraries, internet cafes, One Stop or other 
> employment centres, and so forth.
> 
> Personally, I use pages, numbers, and KeyNote on my iPhone and iPad. They are 
> fully accessible, and, in many ways, work better than MS Office Word, Excel, 
> and PowerPoint on either iOS, or Windows with JAWS.
> 
> Note: A large part of my job is group presentations using slide shows 
> (PowerPoint converted to KeyNote) using my iPad connected to a projector and 
> room sound system.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18/08/2017, at 08:55, Ryan Mann <rm...@technologyisawesome.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What happens if you lose your job and you can no longer afford to pay 
>> subscriptions for software you need? For example, if you want to use word to 
>> update your resume, you would need to keep paying for the subscription to 
>> office.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Most definitely this is the new model.  Any major applications will be 
>>> hosted in the cloud, especially as end devices become more and more 
>>> optimized for network cloud access.  People will have different models but 
>>> in the end the end user will be paying for the use of rather than the 
>>> ownership of software.  Whether the company makes money on your data like a 
>>> Google or charges you directly you pay for it.  You get a much more robust 
>>> experience though so I like the model my self.
>>> 
>>> Microsoft is a good example of this.  I like the fact office is upgraded 
>>> mainly because accessibility is something that’s improving.  I like the 
>>> fast update cycle.  Some use what’s called the agile software methodology 
>>> which calls for weekly or even daily updates. This model lends itself well 
>>> to this type of development.
>>>  We all seem to forget when software was 3, 4 or 5 figures up front and 
>>> then there was a support fee on top usually yearly.  Give me a single 
>>> subscription anyway.
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:52 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM
>>>> Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?
>>>> 
>>>> The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off
>>>> purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of
>>>> criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments.
>>>> Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out.
>>>> I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total
>>>> waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model.
>>>> This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop
>>>> defending it.
>>>> Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out,
>>>> looking for alternatives.
>>>> Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets
>>>> In"
>>>> The company, of course, has its own rationale .
>>>> 
>>>> We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We
>>>> want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right
>>>> setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a
>>>> professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep
>>>> delivering just that.
>>>> The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has
>>>> now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't 
>>>> sustainable.
>>>> And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a
>>>> s

Re: Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?

[Scott Granados]

You do what the rest of the world does, get another job.

You use free options if you can’t afford the paid options.  You can go to the 
library or some school campuses.  Chances are though you’ll already have what 
you need.  Even a text editor will generate a good resume.
 
> On Aug 17, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Ryan Mann <rm...@technologyisawesome.com> wrote:
> 
> What happens if you lose your job and you can no longer afford to pay 
> subscriptions for software you need? For example, if you want to use word to 
> update your resume, you would need to keep paying for the subscription to 
> office.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Most definitely this is the new model.  Any major applications will be 
>> hosted in the cloud, especially as end devices become more and more 
>> optimized for network cloud access.  People will have different models but 
>> in the end the end user will be paying for the use of rather than the 
>> ownership of software.  Whether the company makes money on your data like a 
>> Google or charges you directly you pay for it.  You get a much more robust 
>> experience though so I like the model my self.
>> 
>> Microsoft is a good example of this.  I like the fact office is upgraded 
>> mainly because accessibility is something that’s improving.  I like the fast 
>> update cycle.  Some use what’s called the agile software methodology which 
>> calls for weekly or even daily updates. This model lends itself well to this 
>> type of development.
>>   We all seem to forget when software was 3, 4 or 5 figures up front and 
>> then there was a support fee on top usually yearly.  Give me a single 
>> subscription anyway.
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:52 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM
>>> Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?
>>> 
>>> The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off
>>> purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of
>>> criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments.
>>> Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out.
>>> I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total
>>> waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model.
>>> This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop
>>> defending it.
>>> Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out,
>>> looking for alternatives.
>>> Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets
>>> In"
>>> The company, of course, has its own rationale .
>>> 
>>> We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We
>>> want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right
>>> setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a
>>> professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep
>>> delivering just that.
>>> The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has
>>> now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't sustainable.
>>> And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a
>>> subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so.
>>> The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started offering its
>>> subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. At that point, users
>>> could choose between buying individual apps, buying packages - or signing-up
>>> to a monthly or annual subscription.
>>> But just a year later, the company announced that it would no longer sell
>>> its Creative Suite software outright, and that the only way to get the
>>> latest versions would be via subscription. Even for apps you could still buy
>>> outright, you didn't get the same functionality as the subscription version.
>>> We're seeing the same trend everywhere. Right now, you can still buy
>>> individual TV shows and movies, but iTunes popularized the idea of renting
>>> them instead, and companies like Netflix take things further with a fixed
>>> monthly subscription for all-you-can-eat streaming access.
>>> And, of course, Apple Music now gives us the option of renting, rather than
>>> owning, our music.
>>> 
>>> The idea of renting rather than owning isn't without its benefits, of
>&g

Re: Apple to spend $1bn on original content and produce up to 10 new shows over the next year, according to report

[Scott Granados]

Don’t count on it. It doesn’t sell.

> On Aug 16, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> now, this is an arena where Apple can start filtering positive images into 
> popular culture.
> For allot of those who do not understand adaptive technology,, its because 
> they have not seen the technology in use.
> have a restaurant scene? put a couple at a table, one with  a service animal 
> or  a cane.
> shot of a street with people passing? let one of them use a visible 
> navigational device.
> Certainly you can up the image  into characters but at least start by placing 
> people living differently where the general public can notice and go...oh 
> okay, I saw that  on  Apple tv or something.
> Thoughts?
> Kare
> 
> 
> "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
> skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
> hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
> love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
> opposite." Barack Obama.
> 
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 2:45 AM
>> Apple to spend $1bn on original content and produce up to 10 new shows over
>> the next year, according to report
>> 
>> Apple appears to be taking original content production very seriously.
>> Building on significant talent hires, the Wall Street Journal writes Apple
>> has readied a $1 billion budget to 'procure and produce' content over the
>> next year.
>> The report says the sum is about half what HBO spent on production last
>> year. Apple could launch up to ten new shows, with Apple SVP Eddy Cue said
>> to have ambitions to offer shows that rival Game of Thrones.
>> 
>> Apple's initial rounds of content have not been runaway successes, with
>> Planet of the Apps and Carpool Karaoke receiving bad-to-mild reviews from
>> critics. Reach of the shows has also been limited to users with Apple Music
>> subscriptions.
>> However, until recently, it didn't really feel like Apple was giving much
>> priority to original content efforts. With a large wallet and premiere
>> talent leading the video programming division, it is likely that the quality
>> of Apple's in-development programming will also be higher.
>> The report notes that Jamie Erlicht and Zack Van Amburg, the Sony veterans
>> Apple hired in June, started work in early August and have taken over video
>> production responsibilities from the Apple Music team. The execs have
>> already held meetings with Hollywood to find shows to acquire.
>> It isn't clear yet how the new shows will be released to customers. Apple
>> currently hosts Planet of the Apps and Carpool Karaoke on Apple Music, but
>> it seems likely that the company will double-down on a true, dedicated,
>> internet TV service with the new initiatives.
>> In terms of hardware, a new Apple TV set-top box is expected to launch later
>> this year with support for 4K output. The product could be announced as soon
>> as September, alongside the new iPhone and Apple Watch models.
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> http://9to5mac.com/2017/08/16/apple-original-content-1-billion-ten-shows/
>> 
>> 
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Re: Apple to spend $1bn on original content and produce up to 10 new shows over the next year, according to report

[Scott Granados]

First off, Apple has to do a lot to improve their television experience before 
we get worried about content.  Although, its good to start your content 
building early so folks have stuff to watch on shiny new set top boxes.  Apple 
must have 4K support which it looks very promising for and they have a very 
high hill to climb to get content anywhere near on par with Amazon and Netflix. 
 If anyone can  though they have the war chest to do it. That Apple TV box has 
to be a whole bunch more compelling though or they need to start licensing 
access to their content to others like the television manufactures for built in 
access applications.




> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:53 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 2:45 AM
> Apple to spend $1bn on original content and produce up to 10 new shows over
> the next year, according to report
> 
> Apple appears to be taking original content production very seriously.
> Building on significant talent hires, the Wall Street Journal writes Apple
> has readied a $1 billion budget to 'procure and produce' content over the
> next year.
> The report says the sum is about half what HBO spent on production last
> year. Apple could launch up to ten new shows, with Apple SVP Eddy Cue said
> to have ambitions to offer shows that rival Game of Thrones.
> 
> Apple's initial rounds of content have not been runaway successes, with
> Planet of the Apps and Carpool Karaoke receiving bad-to-mild reviews from
> critics. Reach of the shows has also been limited to users with Apple Music
> subscriptions.
> However, until recently, it didn't really feel like Apple was giving much
> priority to original content efforts. With a large wallet and premiere
> talent leading the video programming division, it is likely that the quality
> of Apple's in-development programming will also be higher.
> The report notes that Jamie Erlicht and Zack Van Amburg, the Sony veterans
> Apple hired in June, started work in early August and have taken over video
> production responsibilities from the Apple Music team. The execs have
> already held meetings with Hollywood to find shows to acquire.
> It isn't clear yet how the new shows will be released to customers. Apple
> currently hosts Planet of the Apps and Carpool Karaoke on Apple Music, but
> it seems likely that the company will double-down on a true, dedicated,
> internet TV service with the new initiatives.
> In terms of hardware, a new Apple TV set-top box is expected to launch later
> this year with support for 4K output. The product could be announced as soon
> as September, alongside the new iPhone and Apple Watch models.
> 
> Original Article at: 
> http://9to5mac.com/2017/08/16/apple-original-content-1-billion-ten-shows/
> 
> 
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Re: Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?

[Scott Granados]

Most definitely this is the new model.  Any major applications will be hosted 
in the cloud, especially as end devices become more and more optimized for 
network cloud access.  People will have different models but in the end the end 
user will be paying for the use of rather than the ownership of software.  
Whether the company makes money on your data like a Google or charges you 
directly you pay for it.  You get a much more robust experience though so I 
like the model my self.

Microsoft is a good example of this.  I like the fact office is upgraded mainly 
because accessibility is something that’s improving.  I like the fast update 
cycle.  Some use what’s called the agile software methodology which calls for 
weekly or even daily updates. This model lends itself well to this type of 
development.
We all seem to forget when software was 3, 4 or 5 figures up front and 
then there was a support fee on top usually yearly.  Give me a single 
subscription anyway.

> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:52 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM
> Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?
> 
> The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off
> purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of
> criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments.
> Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out.
> I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total
> waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model.
> This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop
> defending it.
> Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out,
> looking for alternatives.
> Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets
> In"
> The company, of course, has its own rationale .
> 
> We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We
> want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right
> setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a
> professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep
> delivering just that.
> The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has
> now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't sustainable.
> And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a
> subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so.
> The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started offering its
> subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. At that point, users
> could choose between buying individual apps, buying packages - or signing-up
> to a monthly or annual subscription.
> But just a year later, the company announced that it would no longer sell
> its Creative Suite software outright, and that the only way to get the
> latest versions would be via subscription. Even for apps you could still buy
> outright, you didn't get the same functionality as the subscription version.
> We're seeing the same trend everywhere. Right now, you can still buy
> individual TV shows and movies, but iTunes popularized the idea of renting
> them instead, and companies like Netflix take things further with a fixed
> monthly subscription for all-you-can-eat streaming access.
> And, of course, Apple Music now gives us the option of renting, rather than
> owning, our music.
> 
> The idea of renting rather than owning isn't without its benefits, of
> course. Developers get a steady stream of income, which enables them to keep
> updating apps and adding new features, while users get access at a more
> affordable up-front cost.
> And for some apps and services, it makes sound financial sense. Take music
> as an example. Back in the days when the only option was to buy albums, many
> of us spent thousands - sometimes tens of thousands - of dollars over the
> years. A young person today can lay out ten bucks a month and get instant
> access to more music than any of us will ever own in our lifetimes. Having a
> $10 cost of entry to almost all the music commercially available is quite an
> incredible thing. If I were starting out today, I honestly don't know
> whether I'd choose to own any music.
> In software, Adobe was able to get away with it for much the same reason.
> Outright purchase of a suite of its apps could again cost thousands, and you
> knew it was only a matter of time before you'd need to pay to upgrade to the
> latest version. Indeed, many photographers found themselves forced to
> upgrade when they bought a new camera as the RAW converter for it would only
> be available for the latest version of Lightroom. An affordable monthly fee
> was a decent alternative.
> In TV and movies, renting rather than owning can again save you money. Many
> have dispensed with traditional TV packages, and buying movies outright, and
> instead pay just 

Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

Lenron, you still should be able to.  Remember you can still connect back to 
the phone over bluetooth and with a 60 foot range or more that’s pretty useful. 
 Outside that you should be able to use the data channel for Skype or FaceTime. 
 

Most things on the watch are data driven anyway.  I like the idea in a way of 
just wearing the watch, no phone.
 
> On Aug 16, 2017, at 4:50 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I was all excited about the damn watch because I figured I would be
> able to make calls from it. I was for sure going to get one, hell even
> if I am able to use it for facetime it still might be a go. I have
> been hoping apple would make a watch where I didn't need the phone
> around all the time.
> 
> On 8/16/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>Ask him.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/16/2017 11:05 AM, gary-melconian wrote:
>>> Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I
>>> really wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking.
>>> 
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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense including in 
this case.  Let’s review.

First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were awful.  
Also very little was deployed across the network.
Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 hour 
battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, T-Mobile was all 
in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a shortage of LTE chips.
Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
chip yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that will 
fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put the sim?  
By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you use up to much 
space not to mention increase the complexity of water proofing.  The E-SIM 
saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and modem hardware and you still 
have the full bluetooth channel back to your phone for placing calls. FaceTime 
or Skype would also likely be options over this high speed data channel but 
VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm doesn’t have that included yet). So you have 
to build for the parts you can get access to and this year data only is the 
option.  Remember the phones all started out LTE data only at first as well, 
not just Apple but everyone.

Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works, every 
time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but you get the 
instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this with their 
restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good ability to field 
upgrade with software to correct these problems though but Apple is shooting 
for a stable error free but conservative experience.


  Aug 16, 2017, at 2:05 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
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> Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I really 
> wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking. 
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