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I heard president Obama today refer to these devices as "a swiss bank account in your pocket". Honestly, I would rather have that than someone whom I don't know having access to my info, whether I want it or not. -eric On Mar 11, 2016, at 4:15 PM, E.T. wrote: > Maybe I can perform "last

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Hi E.T. Give me a call. I'm on the east coast of the GREAT USA! Chuck CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 Isaiah 26 : 3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. In GOD I Trust On Mar

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Maybe I can perform "last rites" on you, Chuck. You are again confusing issues and you are still free to email me off list if you want the truth. What is at stake here is a legal matter, not a religious one. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have

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Hi E.T. May be we can get the Ancient.Aliens to solve this? :) Always remember if your rites come from man, man can take them away! But if freedom "rites" comes from the Creator no man can take the away! Thats why the USA constitution gives the Creator the credit for our basic freedoms! George

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Trump. with his big mouth (someone, please stick a pin in him), cannot do a thing and neither can Obama. Its a legal issue that the courts will have to decide on. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true?

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like. The government is simply vying for precedent. Ben - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu To: Macvisionaries Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 15:17 Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search Where will this end? I reckon it will end

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Where will this end? I reckon it will end when Mr Trump becomes president and he will say Apple is so and so even though he has an I phone as he regularly seems to slag Apple off. Seriously, will he win or will it be Hillary. I notice Mr Abama is not saying anything about Apple but Mr Trump

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Apple is Selling You a Phone, Not Civil Liberties https://lawfareblog.com/apple-selling-you-phone-not-civil-liberties > FBI and Justice Department officials, we think, can be forgiven if they’re a > touch cynical about all of Apple’s elaborate legal argumentation and suspect > that this all

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gt;>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ok, >>>>>>>>> the way I see it, apple can come up with a method to access the >>>>>>>

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-Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Cham Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 9:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search That's a good point abou

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ler K. Thompson >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-Software Engineer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>> wr

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I see it, apple can come up with a method to access the >>>>>>>> device. Hell, if the fingerprints of the terrorists are still >>>>>>>> available, and that were the only method of encryption, then the FBI >>>>>>>> already has its pr

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(and isolated) device. THis device >>>>>>> cannot be plugged into any network and would also require the use of a >>>>>>> password (only known to apple) to work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> does this sound like a decent proposal? >>>>>&g

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gt; So are you saying that the USA's FBI deleted the iCloud backup for the >>> terrorists? >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>

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ev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>: >>> >>> Sorrylist but I think I missed something here, >>> >>> So are you saying that the USA's FBI deleted the iCloud backup for the >>> terrorists? >>> >>> >>> >>

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ries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu > Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2016 9:06 AM > To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search > > Yep, it later eme

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gt; Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2016 9:06 AM > To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search > > Yep, it later emerged that the FBI, through malice or incompetence, reset the > a

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ies@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2016 9:06 AM To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search Yep, it l

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My understanding of the logistics is that the user key and the unique signature burned into each device are hashed together as the key for encrypting the data, so there is no way Apple could decrypt it for the FBI. What Apple did do was implement the self-destruct where you get 10 tries and

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alf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 8:11 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search Karen, you raise a really really good question. Why don’t they just use the fingerprint of the phone owner. He’s dead anyway so

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Agreed, The question that might draw people to major unanswered question might be what suspect’s passcode might have set as, rather a number digit combination or consisting of letters and numbers. I still voice towards Apple in this case however. If they open up backdoor for one device, Apple

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Hi, I understand both sides of the case. If the iPhone is set with a complex passcode consisting of letters and numbers, it could take the government up to 100 years to brute-force the passcode, depending on the strength of the key. Apple is perfectly capable of this, but they would completely

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My understanding is that the FBI is asking Apple for the technical capability to brute-force the key. That’s all. The problem with Apple’s current design is that it is vulnerable to simple firmware substitution. The assumptions that it makes about the user’s key are all predicated on the

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Apple already engineered products so that this cannot happen. That’s kind of the point. They already use a strong encryption, so strong in fact, that our government can’t break into them. Passwords are already hashed, Data is already encrypted as much as is legal (yes, there are illegal

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The FBI asked the owner of the phone to change the iCloud account password, with the result that the iPhone didn’t back up to iCloud, which would have provided a way for the FBI to access recent (if incomplete) data. Hence there followed the question of whether or not the FBI is complicit in

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And another quote from the creator of PGP, Philip Zimmermann: "If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel

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cukoglu > Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2016 9:06 AM > To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search > > Yep, it later emerged that the FBI, through malice or incompetence,

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backup for the terrorists? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2016 9:06 AM To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Any comment

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February 2016 9:06 AM To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search Yep, it later emerged that the FBI, through malice or incompetence, reset the account password and thus prevented tho

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Yep, it later emerged that the FBI, through malice or incompetence, reset the account password and thus prevented those all-important (but incomplete) iCloud backups from occurring. (Notice that iCloud backups are another way in, which is something many customers aren’t aware of.) And I don’t

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Yes, I believe the previous poster is correct we’ve deviated to far from the topic. I do appreciate everyone’s well thought out responses. If anyone is interested in deviating from the topic contact me off list we can move this to my list or else where where we won’t overly burden or offend

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Scott, Spot on! And I will lay this to rest since even the apple in the first book is not being discussed. (smiles) From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 2/22/2016 10:55 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

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Chuck, Feel free to email me off list if you want to know the truth. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 2/22/2016 10:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote: Hi E.T. Apparently you haven't read the

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How exactly is this on topic? I was under the impression the discussion was about whether apple should cave to the FBI’s demands. For the sake of a reasonable, clean debate on the subject I’d like to ask we avoid religious and political beliefs. The question is a simple one, what do we think of

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E.T. is correct. The fore fathers used spiritual principles in the idea of the constitution as well as references to a general creator and inalienable rights but the Christian God and the bible are not mentioned. In fact, a good percentage of the founders were Masons who were a very religious

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Hi E.T. Apparently you haven't read the constitution and the bill of rights! If your open to learning about the USA history here you go; http://billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/constitution/ Also heres what being politically correct gets you!

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All I will say to this is that this country was not founded on biblical principles. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 2/22/2016 9:09 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote: Hi Scott, I agree 1776 was a great

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Hi Scott, I agree 1776 was a great year! This discussion wouldn't be taking place if we had "locked down" the borders and through out all the illegals in the USA! Thats correct I & the majority of the heartland of the USA are not politically correct and we dig it! I'd rather be "biblically

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Just one thing that to me puts a whole in your argument all though really well made by the way. The FBI actually reset the phone while in it’s possession. So it’s come out in the US news, KGO radio specifically as part of their local coverage is reporting that the FBI hard reset the phone

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OK, so I think it’s safe to come out of the woodwork and say what I think, even if it rocks the boat a bit and ruins a good love-in. I should qualify first by saying that I’m not American and therefore don’t enjoy the benefits of whatever “Precedent” is set by this case. Nor do I believe that

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ustody of the program and the method and law enforcement >>>>> would have to follow the law (file a warrant, etc.). At this point, >>>>> there would be no back door to exploit To further secure it, I would >>>>> props that the program be placed on a specialized

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orge Cham Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 9:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search That's a good point about the fingerprint. But my question is this doesn't make app

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ent would have to follow the law (file a warrant, >>>>> etc.). At this point, there would be no back door to exploit To further >>>>> secure it, I would props that the program be placed on a specialized (and >>>>> isolated) device. THis device cann

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ow the law (file a warrant, >>>> etc.). At this point, there would be no back door to exploit To further >>>> secure it, I would props that the program be placed on a specialized (and >>>> isolated) device. THis device cannot be plugged into any network and would &g

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bruary 2016 9:21 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search >>>> >>>> That's a good point about the fingerprint. But my question is this doesn't >>>> make apple an

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gt;>> >>>> That's a good point about the fingerprint. But my question is this doesn't >>>> make apple an accessory to terrorism if they don't cooperate with the >>>> FBI? >>>> >>>> >>>> George, >>>> >>>> Se

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ist that this will effect it's all IOS device users. >>> >>> A back door access to one device is a back door to all devices of that type. >>> >>> Iargree >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com &g

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So I almost fell out of my chair this morden. Michael Hayden, the former NSA director who lead the warrantless wiretapping program and the meta data collection program, came out strongly in favor of Apple and against the government. He feels the government’s request is far over reaching and

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21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search That's a good point about the fingerprint. But my question is this doesn't make apple an accessory to terrorism if they don't cooperate with the FBI? George, Sent from my iPad On 19 Feb

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t;>> method and law enforcement would have to follow the law (file a warrant, >>>>> etc.). At this point, there would be no back door to exploit To further >>>>> secure it, I would props that the program be placed on a specialized (and >>>>> i

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ill not be turned over to the FBI, there is >>>>> essentially no problem. Apple would retain custody of the program and the >>>>> method and law enforcement would have to follow the law (file a warrant, >>>>> etc.). At this point, there wo

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Cham Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 9:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search That's a good point about the fingerprint. But my question is this doesn't make apple an

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ow the law (file a warrant, >>>> etc.). At this point, there would be no back door to exploit To further >>>> secure it, I would props that the program be placed on a specialized (and >>>> isolated) device. THis device cannot be plugged into any network and would &g

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possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, apple can develop a method by which they can access the phone. they >>>>>> aren't required to publish it nor to provide it to law enforcement. all >>>>>> they need to do is provide a technician who knows the method (and has

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cvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Cham Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 9:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search That's a good point about the fingerprint. But my question is this doesn't make apple

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a specialized (and >>>> isolated) device. THis device cannot be plugged into any network and would >>>> also require the use of a password (only known to apple) to work. >>>> >>>> does this sound like a decent proposal? >>>

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use of a password (only known to apple) to work. >>> >>> does this sound like a decent proposal? >>> >>> -eric >>> >>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> >>>> I agree, >>>> >>>> It

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ps.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search That's a good point about the fingerprint. But my question is this doesn't make apple an accessory to terrorism if they don't cooperate with the FBI? George, Sent from my iPad On 19 Feb 2016, at 6:53 PM, Simon F

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and would >>> also require the use of a password (only known to apple) to work. >>> >>> does this sound like a decent proposal? >>> >>> -eric >>> >>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> >>&

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2016, at 4:34 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> I agree, >>> >>> It's not just terrorist that this will effect it's all IOS device users. >>> >>> A back door access to one device is a back door to all devices of that type. >>> >>&g

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nt: Friday, 19 February 2016 9:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search That's a good point about the fingerprint. But my question is this doesn't make apple an accessory to terrori

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lt;si...@blinky-net.com >>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Apart from that point where if your phone battery dies and you need to >>>> use the pin code to open it for the first time >>>> >>>> Or did they ev

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t; >>> Apart from that point where if your phone battery dies and you need to >>> use the pin code to open it for the first time >>> >>> Or did they even have finguerprints setup on the devices. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> Fro

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: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Cham > Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 9:21 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search > > That's a good point about the f

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e the pin code to open it for the first time >> >> Or did they even have finguerprints setup on the devices. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >> Sent: Fr

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] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2016 2:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search Actually, a good number of the calls going in and out of your country as well as Internet and other data is monitored out

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Of George Cham Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 9:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search That's a good point about the fingerprint. But my question is this doesn't make apple an accessory to terrorism if they don't cooperate

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Apple can still provide the level of security needed, and with the proper methodology, still allow the FBI, et al to have access to the information that is needed (and all without having to install a backdoor). It is a pretty simple arrangement, but a little hard to implement. -eric On Feb

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>> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. >> Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 6:54 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position ag

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2016 6:54 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search The Patriot Act was exactly what came to mind. This is what scares me about the Republicans. I shall say no more. Just keep those grubby little fingers out of my

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r did they even have finguerprints setup on the devices. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >> Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 8:11 AM >> To: macvisionari

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me >> >> Or did they even have finguerprints setup on the devices. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >> Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 8:11 AM

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glegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 7:41 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search > > You don’t have to sell me about the over reach of Government. I’ve been a &g

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I remember that Blackberry had to hand over keys or some how lessen the security of their devices to be sold in Saudi Arabia. But then we gave the kingdom a Naris Systems 6400 and I thought the security problem was solved.:) (that device is what the NSA uses for mass data collection, at least

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;>> couple bad Americans shouldn't disrupt the majority of us who deserve >>> incryption and who would not misuse it. >>> I ask the above purely as hypotheticles. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.co

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Actually, I beg to disagree with you. The major media is owned by 4 corporations for the most part. I was the lead network engineer for Knight-Ridder digital which was the online portion of the publisher’s products. That company no longer exists as they went the way of paper.:) I think there

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A much wiser man than myself is quoted as saying, “A society that is willing to surrender privacy for the sake of security shall have neither.” I completely support the position Tim Cook and Apple has taken in this matter. The real question in this matter should be - why isn’t our government

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even have finguerprints setup on the devices. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 8:11 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Su

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ups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 8:11 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search > > Karen, you raise a really really good question. Why don’t they just use the > fingerpr

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search You should be able to dust the phone for prints and see which ones are in contact with the surface? Plus you only have 10, you could try at least 8 of them probably with out issue. Good

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Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 8:11 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search Karen, you raise a really really good question. Why don’t they just use the fingerprint of the phone owner. He’s dead anyway so you

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@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 7:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search You don’t have to sell me about the over reach of Government. I’ve been a Libertarian since before

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: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search The Patriot Act was exactly what came to mind. This is what scares me about the Republicans. I shall say no more. Just keep those grubby little fingers out of my private life which is hardly private any more. From E.T.'s

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Of Michael Malver Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 6:53 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search Two questions: 1. Why is this topic any more important for blind users than for any other? That supposition is non-sensical to me. 2

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Granados Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 6:40 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search ET very well stated. The thing that amazes me is how the Media in the US is totally mistaking what Apple has been asked to do. Apple

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Not following it but I agree with him whole hartedly It doesn't take much for someone to work a jailbreak for an iphone IOS when it's out, so how long would it take for someone to find the back door into the OS if they did put one in. There was the same sort of issue with blackberrys and

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ps.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search Not to encourage more heavy traffic but this IS an important issue especially for blind users. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if i

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Thanks Gabe. I thought that was the case so it remains to be seen if it was a 5c I heard then it makes the fingerprint issue a moot point. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 2/18/2016 2:19 PM,

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Hi, I didn't see an answer to your question about the 5c having fingerprint ID. The answer is no it doesn't. I had one for a couple of years and couldn't ever use the fingerprint ID until I upgraded to the 6s. Gabe On Feb 18, 2016, at 11:19 AM, E.T. wrote: > I

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Well said to be sure. that is one reason why I am suggesting if it works for you visiting the news area of google. At last count there were over 4 thousand articles referenced from various sources. Even with some of those referencing the same article, one has a fine way to get informed in an

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Karen, A good observation coming from one who is inside such a business. But its my observation that every individual who sees or hears the same event, even standing side by side, will have a different interpretation of that event. The media is not immune to this. But people who rely on

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I have been a media professional for many years. These days, someone might read a twitter post or a Facebook one and decide it is news, but i assure you that the major American media is not in the pocket of the government. Far too many of them are getting the story right to base an entire

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Ah sorry, for folks across the pond or in other countries you might not be up to speed. In the US we had a supposed terrorist attack where two people walked in to a center and shot up the place in the name of ISIL or dAESH or what ever we’re calling the boogie man today. They supposedly had

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Hi! Whats this all about? I haven’t read anything. But it would be great to hear what others might think. /A > On 18 Feb 2016, at 18:36, Scott Granados wrote: > > Very important comment, that’s pretty funny. > >> On Feb 18, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Michael Malver

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No, they are traditional news sources. The KGO radio story ran for more than one day with that misinformation. It was one of the talk show hosts themselves that set the news department straight on the air. WBZ I have no idea what their problem is, it’s a major CBS station. I think it just

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really? Would love to know what reporter with those outlets did not do their homework. A swift review of google news sources clears up that mystery..frankly so does reading Tim's statement. were those blogs? Might explain the error. On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Scott Granados wrote: CBS, WBZ out

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great question. The understanding i have read is that the fingerprint reader was in use. There was a regular backup of data from the phone up till the individual discontinued that backup shortly before the shootings. This is why the fingerprint door may be best, it is likely most recent. I do

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Actually it might depend on the person using both things. If you have broken the law and our phone is being investigated as a part of the crime it will really depend on the search warrant Obtained. A rather gray legal area these days. Still in the Apple FBI case many security professionals

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Many in the American press are asking that very question, especially since they do have those fingerprints. No explanation as of yet. additionally, Apple is getting lots of company on the legal front to fight the request. Kare On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Scott Granados wrote: Karen, you

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@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:40 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search Not to encourage more heavy traffic but this IS an important issue

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