Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

Oh boy. On 6/3/2020 6:26 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Kaleb, our master, just bought a new slave. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get lots of answers. Sent from my iPhon

Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

Kaleb, our master, just bought a new slave. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get lots > of answers. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Kn

Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

Yea this is becoming a priority or I will never get all these cars fixed. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:58 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > Look around for folks that sell them... broker a deal with them to come and > install yours, and fix anything it needs... > If you have sp

Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

What Herr Mann said - JUST DO IT. On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:58 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Look around for folks that sell them... broker a deal with them to come and > install yours, and fix anything it needs... > If you have space in your shop for a 4 post lift and a two post lift > get

Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

Look around for folks that sell them... broker a deal with them to come and install yours, and fix anything it needs... If you have space in your shop for a 4 post lift and a two post lift get one of each you will be glad you have them. It is amazing how easy it becomes to do exhaust.. or r

Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

Yea, I am sure I will wonder why I didn’t get off my lazy rear and do it years ago. I’m still not positive if it works for not. Supposedly it does but bought it used. Would also like to get a 2 post lift fairly soon as well. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

Kaleb, Yes, clamp off the line to the clutch master to keep from a big mess when you disconnect the clutch master. Replace both slave and master, then, open supply line. And... get that damn car lift up and working hire somebody to install it... you will up your volume of work by geometric sca

Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

I think I would just bleed it out by removing the slave cylinder, then crack the connection to the master to allow air in.  Remove the carpet from the driver footwell if you can, put some rags inside to catch any drips. Max Dillon Charleston SC Jun 3, 2020 5:28:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get lots of answers. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response. > > Rick > > > > Original Message >

[MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response. Rick   Original Message   >> The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should get >> that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under the >> dash to remove and replace the master.

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

> Kaleb wrote: > Can you bleed the clutch with a pressure bleeder like I use for > the brakes? I don't know. The slave cylinder is very much at the bottom. I'm pretty sure I just used my rig to pump brake fluid in through the bleeder screw. ___ http://www.ok

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

> Curley wrote: > Is that the low pressure hose from the reservoir to the master? Yes. > The high pressure hose should be more like a brake hose.  I > can't imagine the high pressure hose being an accordion. Yeah, I would not call the pressure line a "hose"! > > fmiser via Mercedes wrote on 3/

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

Should work fine. Max Dillon Charleston SC Mar 1, 2020 10:54:00 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > Can you bleed the clutch with a pressure bleeder like I use for the brakes? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Mar 1, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > >  > > Phili

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

Can you bleed the clutch with a pressure bleeder like I use for the brakes? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > >  > Philip, I had a slave cylinder fail on a 190D, and there was no visible leak. > I think just like a brake master cylinder, one

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

Philip, I had a slave cylinder fail on a 190D, and there was no visible leak. I think just like a brake master cylinder, one failure mode is bad cup seal, so leak is internal. Refill the system, check for leaks, if none the check for pressure at the slave cylinder when the pedal is pushed. No

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

When I looked up 003 997 12 52  it is the low pressure hose.   I found a note on PP forum that this is more like the original low pressure hose. N203501 - VW Braided Brake Hose, 7mm ID, Per Foot So, apparently something like the or

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

Is that the low pressure hose from the reservoir to the master? The high pressure hose should be more like a brake hose.  I can't imagine the high pressure hose being an accordion. fmiser via Mercedes wrote on 3/1/20 4:03 AM: TRW part number 555-33011-381 I had to grind 3 mm off the end of t

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

> Curley wrote: > If it were mine and I was gonna drive it, I'd buy a new master, > slave and hose. My notes are: TRW part number 555-33011-381 I had to grind 3 mm off the end of the short rod to make a TRW work. DON'T BUY TRW. FTE I got from AutohauseAZ had both rods. It seems typically the

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

> Kaleb wrote: > This 240D I just picked up has a dead clutch.  As in, it just > goes straight to the floor. The car is useless. I'll take it off your hands 'cause I'm such a nice guy. [smiles] > I have never dealt with clutch issues before. Does the master > and slave cylinders need to be repl

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

That said, it may be the slave that went south.    But chances are 50/50 that since then, the master has gotten rusty and won't survive...   Depends on how new the fluid was, how high the humidity was, etc., etc. Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes February 29, 2020 at 1

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

The parts are fairly cheap so might be a good idea. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > If it were mine and I was gonna drive it, I'd buy a new master, slave and > hose. (and maybe even the tube.) Change em all, filler up, bleed er o

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

If it were mine and I was gonna drive it, I'd buy a new master, slave and hose.  (and maybe even the tube.)  Change em all, filler up, bleed er out, (or better yet filler up from the bottom, eliminating the need to bleed.) and not have to think about it for a LNG time.   As a flipper, ymmv.

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

Three possibilities: Low fluid from a slave cylinder leak (brakes work fine) Bad clutch cylinder so no pressure to operate clutch Bad slave cylinder (also low fluid but at the transmission end, not a brake line or caliper) or leaking line ___ http://www.okie

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

The PO said it did it before and he took it somewhere and they cleaned something out and it worked fine. He then went to drive it and it suddenly did not work again. Just goes to the floor with no resistance but comes right back up. Will get it into the shop and get under and see what the deal i

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 02:27:14 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Either slave or master cylinder is probably leaking. Master will drip > in the foot well, look for a stain. Slave can fail with no visible leak. If the master cylinder is leaking, the brake fluid can damage the floor mat.

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

Either slave or master cylinder is probably leaking. Master will drip in the foot well, look for a stain. Slave can fail with no visible leak. Max Dillon Charleston SC Feb 29, 2020 9:19:12 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes : > Start by checking fluid levels in master & look for leaks in slave > cy

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch

Start by checking fluid levels in master & look for leaks in slave cylinders. Top it off & see. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 9:12 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This 240D I just picked up has a dead clutch. As in, it just goes > straight t

[MBZ] 240D clutch

This 240D I just picked up has a dead clutch.  As in, it just goes straight to the floor.  I have never dealt with clutch issues before.  Does the master and slave cylinders need to be replaced or any sort of testing to determine the issue? ___ http://www.o

[MBZ] 240D Clutch pedal adjust

So thanks to Mao and my Haynes manual I realized just exactly what that weird thing at the top of the MC plunger is, namely an eccentric to adjust the clutch pedal in relation to the MC. Its SUPER hard to adjust because you can't really get a wrench (14mm) on the eccentric bolt, mostly because

[MBZ] 240D clutch update

Give Jim Cathey and the proper procedure a gold star! Took my sub-1/4" hose, ran it from the brake bleeder to the clutch bleeder, opened both, hopped in the car put the clutch to the floor where it stayed, pumped the brake and the clutch pedal came right up. Pumped it a few more times, pumped th

[MBZ] 240D clutch update

Finally got a minute to take a look at the clutch master cylinder on my 240D. Looks like theres ever so slight a weep where the hardline attaches to it at the bottom. I presume this is the output to the slave and would make perfect sense, a little fluid leaks out, air gets in with gravity assist

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Hmm - YES, MB, not MG. The MG works OK, but the MB is much more robust and smoother. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: > MB, not MG, right? > I'm not sure how well the midgets are synchroed... > > I know on my wheeler you just drop throttle to rev match, hit the shifter, > th

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

ch doesn't help, I did 40 pumps this morning. However on the way to work I had a whiff of brake fluid, I'd guess the clutch MC or hose is leaking. Will check today. -Curt Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 20:49:01 -0500 From: OK Don To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

> Mountain Man wrote: > OK Don wrote: > > The great synchros in the MB tranny make this a breeze. > > I hear this spoken of but don't quite grasp the concept. > I need to learn how to do this, but I fear crunching stuff, so > I use the clutch. Pretty much it's just like shifting with the clutch

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

MB, not MG, right? I'm not sure how well the midgets are synchroed... I know on my wheeler you just drop throttle to rev match, hit the shifter, then slam the throttle. Can also do it in Mitsubishi trucks with worn cable systems... Walt On Oct 28, 2010 11:07 PM, "OK Don" wrote: > The trick is to

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

The trick is to get the engine speed close to correct for the gear you're shifting into -- the MG synchros are good enough (if not worn out), that they'll keep you from shifting if you're too far off in speed matching. Then you get to stop, kill the engine, and start over again, if you can't figure

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

OK Don wrote: > The great synchros in the MB tranny make this a breeze. I hear this spoken of but don't quite grasp the concept. I need to learn how to do this, but I fear crunching stuff, so I use the clutch. It was a bit over a year ago that we replaced the master cylinder - it leaked internall

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

An electric car - all the rage now! On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: > By the time some of these cars start, they'd already be a block down the > road on the starter alone... :p > > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

By the time some of these cars start, they'd already be a block down the road on the starter alone... :p Walt, who's been known to move his truck with the starter before... On Oct 28, 2010 9:49 PM, "OK Don" wrote: > Wait a minute here! A clutch is a nicety - not something that is required to > dr

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Wait a minute here! A clutch is a nicety - not something that is required to drive the car. From a stop, with the engine off, shift into the gear you need to move in the desired direction. If it's reverse, let your foot off the gas, and at the same time shift into neutral. Kill the engine, shift in

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond wrote: > Troubleshooting steps? > > If I'm honest I haven't gotten up under the dash and looked at the > master cylinder yet... I suppose a rubbed through hose could leak under > the carpet. By all means remove the driver's carpet. The nut f

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

fluid level it will go down. Or at least it always has for me in similar situations. Manfred Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:05:13 -0400 From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Curt Raymond wrote: I tried it but not a dozen pumps. I'll try on the way home. Oh, and if it's like the Girling master on a 1970s Saab, the clutch section of the reservoir is not much bigger in diameter than your thumb and empties quickly, so keep the brake reservoir filled to the top so it

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

st Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Message-ID: <4cc96426.4070...@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Can you 'pump it up' by giving it a dozen strokes before starting the engine? Do you still have Hammie's carcass in the back y

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Troubleshooting steps? If I'm honest I haven't gotten up under the dash and looked at the master cylinder yet... I suppose a rubbed through hose could leak under the carpet. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:44:21 -0700 From: Jim Cathey To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Can you 'pump it up' by giving it a dozen strokes before starting the engine? Do you still have Hammie's carcass in the back yard to swipe hydraulics from so you can get it fixed for real this weekend? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used part

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

o the top for the rear compartment. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:47 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues I'd buy that bu

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Yeah I vote stuffed seals in the slave, which expand with heat to seal better. Hendrik Jim Cathey wrote: Today the issue was worse, its raining but relatively warm. When I left the house it was a big grind into reverse, the pedal throw was quite short. By the time I got to work it would go in

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

The slave cylinder does require maintenance now and then but is a dirty job. Hendrik Curt Raymond wrote: Saturday afternoon I added some fluid to my '78 240D which I saw actually fill in some open space toward the rear of the reservoir. Looks like it might have been slightly low, I didn't add

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Today the issue was worse, its raining but relatively warm. When I left the house it was a big grind into reverse, the pedal throw was quite short. By the time I got to work it would go into reverse easily, pedal throw was noticeably longer. That variability screams faulty hydraulics to me. -

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

I'd buy that but how come the fluid level doesn't go down? I'll try bleeding the thing this weekend... -Curt Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:05:13 -0400 From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310"     To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: R

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

o:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:01 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Should I peddle some fish too? :) Today the issue was worse, its raining but relatively warm. When I left the house it was a big grind into rev

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:14:29 -0400 From: MG To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Message-ID: <4cc825b5.60...@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well that solves the taste test problem. Any leak on the slave cyl w

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

the floor. You should still push the peddle all the way down each time you shift though. Manfred Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:07:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Message-ID: <891523.44585...@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> C

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Slave is external to the bellhousing. I checked the fluid last night, no detectable loss of fluid... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:29:05 -0400 From: MG To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Message-ID: <4cc620d1.3050...@yahoo.com> Content-Type

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 4:59 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Problem is I've got a minor oil leak which deposits enough oil at the bottom of the bell ho

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Taste test it! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 4:59 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Problem is I've got a minor oil leak

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Problem is I've got a minor oil leak which deposits enough oil at the bottom of the bell housing theres no way to tell if there was brake fluid there too... Lick it: Yuck! --- Oil YUCH! --- Brake fluid. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

using? If you said before that it was then I apologize, guess I missed it, Manfred Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:59:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Message-ID: <378033.48013...@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/pla

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Curt Raymond wrote: Problem is I've got a minor oil leak which deposits enough oil at the bottom of the bell housing theres no way to tell if there was brake fluid there too... Diesel oil tastes better than brake fluid... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

il leak which deposits enough oil at the bottom > of the bell housing theres no way to tell if there was brake fluid there > too... > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:19:04 -0400 > From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310" >     > To: &qu

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

edes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Message-ID:     <1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b80369d...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil>     Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" I think that both slave and master can leak internally, but

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

al Message - From: "Curt Raymond" To: "Diesel List" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Saturday afternoon I added some fluid to my '78 240D which I saw actually fill in some open space toward the rear of the reserv

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

ice MB -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Slave cylinders can't leak internally. I h

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:01 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Saturday afternoon I added some fluid to my '78 240D which I saw actually fill in some open space toward

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

I've never had a 123 with a manual on the road, but on all the prior models, a leaking slave was very obvious on the outside. Try just adding a little more fluid. Saturday afternoon I added some fluid to my '78 240D which I saw actually fill in some open space toward the rear of the reservoi

Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

suspect. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:01 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Saturday afternoon I added some fluid to my '78 240D which I

[MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues

Saturday afternoon I added some fluid to my '78 240D which I saw actually fill in some open space toward the rear of the reservoir. Looks like it might have been slightly low, I didn't add much though, maybe an ounce. Didn't notice any change right away but after 15-20 minutes of driving I could