Interesting ideas. I wonder what they would do around here if someone
were to do that.
Manfred
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:38:36 -0500
From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Yea, same thing I was going to say. Here, folks put
Yup that's the baby except in stainless and with the full ovens on the
bottom not just a cook top.
Manfred
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:10:21 -0400
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
http://www.mrsgs.com
even gain some weight. 145 soaking wet is just too light.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:36:19 -0500
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
I didn't need to hear that -- I detest the gas stove my mother bought
some years ago
more. I want somewhere that hasn't even heard of inspectors.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:39:40 -0500
From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
My experience (12 years) is that neither the local building inspector (part
time
I wish it were like that here. If I want to get a garden shed, you
know one of those little things that the box stores sell, I got to get
a permit and get inspections and pay through the nose for the
privilege as well as paying more taxes because I've improved the
property and it is now worth
Yea, same thing I was going to say. Here, folks put their sheds on skids
(think a couple of pressure treated 2x10 skis) -- it isn't a permanent
structure and isn't taxed as part of the real estate. Plus, you can move it
to a different part of the back yard if the fancy strikes, if you round off
Jim Cathey wrote:
(Though such sheds shouldn't be considered permanent
structures anyway since they have no foundation.)
That's the way it works around here. Set it on the ground and it's not a
'structure'. Pour a floor for it and it's a taxable structure. Tie it down with
cables and ground
it. Whats a few pennies compared to that kind
of tool. I may even gain some weight. 145 soaking wet is just too light.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:36:19 -0500
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
I didn't need to hear
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes:
That's the way it works around here. Set it on the ground and it's not
a 'structure'. Pour a floor for it and it's a taxable structure. Tie
it down with cables and ground screws, and then you'll find out how
far the local gov't is willing to push the
Allan Streib wrote:
Here, an in-ground swimming pool will get taxed. An above-ground will
not.
Same here. If you've got one of those fancy above ground pools with a deep end,
that's taxable too, because you had to excavate and can't just roll it up and
stuff it in the garage for the
Instant off, remove pan.
Luther
Tom Hargrave wrote:
I like gas, but all my wife has ever cooked on is electric, so electric it
is.
Benefits of gas?
You have more control over gas
Gas is instant heat
Gas is also instant off
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Luther
,
Tom Hargrave
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the same thing that would happen if we let vietnam fall to the commies?
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Possibly, possibly not, but what would have happened to our economy
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
the same thing that would happen if we let vietnam fall to the commies?
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Possibly, possibly not, but what would have happened to our economy and
the
spending
...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
i guess i assume too much thinking you'd grasp my point.
it would seem that hysterical gov't propaganda is generally a lie. nothing
would
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the same thing that would happen if we let vietnam fall to the commies?
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net
wrote:
Possibly, possibly not, but what would have
he's a lying scumbag politician just like 99% of the people in DC. Drop
a nuke on the city and lets start from scratch with the original
constitution and current amendments.
Luther
Gary Hurst wrote:
if he were honest, obama would have honored his 5 days for the public and
congress to study
Dividends are the worst, isn't that supposed to be the money a company thats
solvent pays out?
If you're insolvent, no dividend, makes sense to me...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:23:44 -0500
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt
to cool down...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:22:00 -0700
From: Tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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diesel) so I tried m for Mercedes but for some reason it thinks
mercedes-request should come before mercedes...
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:43:09 -0400
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes
out?
If you're insolvent, no dividend, makes sense to me...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:23:44 -0500
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: 74640b70-d980-4cd6
Sure they do, especially for averting fake disasters at enormous effort
and cost (not to themselves of course). That's exactly what playing off
people's irrational fears is all about hence the common claims of being
tough on (drugs|crime|commies|taxes|people who are somehow different)
Tyler
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On Behalf Of tyler
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:53 AM
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Sure they do, especially for averting fake disasters at enormous effort
]
On Behalf Of tyler
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Sure they do, especially for averting fake disasters at enormous effort
and cost (not to themselves of course). That's exactly what playing off
: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:15:16 -0700
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Don,
you should keep an eye out for local
My experience (12 years) is that neither the local building inspector (part
time) or the gas company checks out what you have in your kitchen -- where I
live. I am sure this is different in more metropolitan areas. But in rural
Iowa, it is not the case. If you're not going to blow up your house
MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com writes:
Only problem is that commercial stoves are not allowed in residential
housing according to the new building codes that are in effect in most
of the US. You can however buy one of those super expensive
look-a-likes that are made just for residential use. Look
it's been here for a very long time
the entirety of the civil rights movement is government telling private
industry and individuals what to do. it was ok then, but no good now?
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Forcing a private company (private
Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net writes:
When will Obama decide that the energy crises is so bad that we will
not be allowed to drive cross country without a 'special permit?
Think I'm kidding? There is no fundamental difference between the
Government telling private industry what they will
AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net writes:
When will Obama decide that the energy crises is so bad that we will
not be allowed to drive cross country without a 'special permit?
Think I'm kidding
Tom Hargrave wrote:
So, when does the Government have the right to decide that profit, bonuses
or pay in the private sector is excessive? How would you feel of the
government decided that YOU were making too much money and gave YOU a 20%
PAY CUT or TAX INCREASE?
Depends, is it the same
Hargrave
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On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:15 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Tom
Allen wrote: Some idiot congressman is on TV now proposing a 60% tax
surcharge on excess executive pay in companies that have taken bail-out
money.
That's right a 95% tax rate.
Senator Chris Dodd proposed a 90% tax on those bonuses last night. The same
Senator Dodd that got a sweetheart VIP
If AIG chooses to accept bailouts from the federal government, doesn't
that give the government the right to set any conditions they want? The
bonuses may be fair and earned, but an organization that is at risk of
failing due to lack of funds can no longer afford non-essential costs
like
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
If AIG chooses to accept bailouts from the federal government, doesn't
that give the government the right to set any conditions they want? The
bonuses may be fair and earned, but an organization that is at risk of
failing due to lack
tyler casi...@usermail.com writes:
If AIG chooses to accept bailouts from the federal government, doesn't
that give the government the right to set any conditions they want?
At any time, as public opinion dicatates? That seems a pretty broad
right.
OTOH AIG should have seen this coming.
, 2009 3:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
If AIG chooses to accept bailouts from the federal government, doesn't
that give the government the right to set any conditions they want? The
bonuses may be fair and earned
, March 17, 2009 4:05 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
So, those who had Objectives and Goals to put AIG into a financial
catastrophe felt around the world will be rewardedthose with
Objectives and Goals to provide legal and moral income
Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net writes:
AIG and the others are an entirely different situation. This is
institution wide - affecting all large banks most medium size
banks. And because of this, you can hardly blame bad management of
one institution for the problem. The experts already agree
And you'd say that getting into these derivatives was not bad management? My
understanding is that a bonus is paid on performance -- how much money you
end up making the company, not how much you sell. If the end result of your
actions is that you bring down the company and perhaps the world
I love the argument that these bonuses were promised by contract --
what about the fact that the company had to be rescued by the US
government? I, personally, would have reduced all salaries at all
institutions taking the money, either directly or as payment of
contracts, to US GS rates
I keep asking myself if the bonuses would have been paid -- or been
obligated -- had AIG been allowed to go into bankruptcy or even shut down. I
think I know the answer, and that answer should determine what happens under
what was essentially bankruptcy reorganization, with the government buying
]
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I keep asking myself if the bonuses would have been paid -- or been
obligated -- had AIG been allowed to go into bankruptcy or even shut down. I
We shall never know (perhaps) but I don't think the sky would have fallen as
predicted. It would have been ugly, but we have ugly now.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Possibly, possibly not, but what would have happened to our economy and the
spending
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Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
And you'd say that getting into these derivatives was not bad management?
My
understanding is that a bonus is paid on performance -- how much
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Possibly, possibly not, but what would have happened to our economy and the
spending value of YOUR DOLLAR if they had been allowed to fail?
Less damage than was done by 'saving' them, that's the only thing that's truly
certain here. The simple way to save them from their
The real crime would be to allow private insurance companies to continue to
refuse covering medical procedures for veterans that were fully insured by
them before, during, and after their service to this country.
-Dave Walton
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net
I have my insurance through USAA. What would happen to me if USAA went
under? I'd have to look for another company to ensure my mini-fleet.
Look -- I don't think anyone objects to the government stepping in and
pumping capital into big companies important to our economy. The
disagreement is with
Geithner told to stop AIG bonuses
Today's Daily Bell
Tuesday, March 17, 2009
Branding the situation an 'outrage' for American taxpayers, who control around
80% of the company, the US President said that AIG had fallen into financial
distress due to recklessness and greed and questioned the
Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes:
More than outrage that these losers are walking away with millions is
the outrage that these losers are walking away with millions from the
public coffers, money intended to prop up the company (and not the
individual bank accounts of its employees).
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Look -- I don't think anyone objects to the government stepping in and
pumping capital into big companies important to our economy.
Speak for yourself, Mister.
Imagine that it's 1930, and the Acme Gas Light Company is too big to fail, but
it HAS failed. Should the
I think you just made my point for me.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Look -- I don't think anyone objects to the government stepping in and
pumping capital into big companies important to our economy.
Speak for yourself,
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We shall never know (perhaps) but I
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I think you just made my point for me.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Look
What happened to no politics on this list? Isn't that what Banned is for?
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1 -- I don't have gas lights in my house, but I wish I had a gas stove
rather than an electric stove. A really big, restaurant quality stove and
oven. (I am to cooking as you are to brewing brew.)
2 -- I do, however, generate a LOT of gas. Comes with a vegetarian diet, I
think, plus lots of
Wait ... I thought this WAS Banned. I just thought a bunch of new folks
signed up.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
What happened to no politics on this list? Isn't that what Banned is for?
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1 -- I don't have gas lights in my house, but I wish I had a gas stove
rather than an electric stove. A really big, restaurant quality stove and
oven. (I am to cooking as you are to brewing
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On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:20 PM
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Wait ... I thought this WAS Banned. I just thought a bunch of new folks
signed up.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009
Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes:
1 -- I don't have gas lights in my house, but I wish I had a gas stove
rather than an electric stove. A really big, restaurant quality stove and
oven. (I am to cooking as you are to brewing brew.)
I wanted to get one of those too -- have so far been
I have a huge gas line in the basement that runs up to behind our electric
range. I'd just have to rip out some cabinets and counters to make room for
the oversized unit. (Ha ha -- he said unit.) But quite frankly, being
empty-nesters as we are, I don't really need six or eight burners.
We
Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes:
I have a huge gas line in the basement that runs up to behind our
electric range. I'd just have to rip out some cabinets and counters to
make room for the oversized unit. (Ha ha -- he said unit.) But quite
frankly, being empty-nesters as we are, I
Naw ... I am thinking more of the Iron Chef sort of thing. The secret
ingredient is ... SOY BURGERS!
I want the Jay Leno's Garage of kitchens. I want the local fire department
standing by (sitting on my deck, drinking beer and smoking cigars, just in
case something goes wrong when I do blackened
Don,
you should keep an eye out for local auctions. There are going to be
a whole passel of them coming along if local conditions are any
indication.
Restaurants and stores are going belly up in record numbers. Their
equipment hits the auction floors and goes for incredible prices.
Why do you want gas rather than electric? I've always had an electric
stove until 6mo ago when I moved to my current place, with a gas
stove. It seems to take a lot longer to boil water than all of the
electric stoves I've had, and I'm a bit worried about ventilation (is
it safe to use
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On Behalf Of Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:22 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT banned lite, Better not get hurt in war
Why do you want gas rather than electric? I've always had an electric
stove until 6mo ago when I moved to my
Tyler casi...@usermail.com writes:
Why do you want gas rather than electric? I've always had an electric
stove until 6mo ago when I moved to my current place, with a gas
stove. It seems to take a lot longer to boil water than all of the
electric stoves I've had, and I'm a bit worried about
Forcing a private company (private insurance) to cover the treatment of
military veterans?
When will Obama decide that the energy crises is so bad that we will not be
allowed to drive cross country without a 'special permit? Think I'm
kidding? There is no fundamental difference between the
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