Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

2014-07-26 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
I got in a wreck weds eve... Trying to figure out whether they'd total it.. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 25, 2014, at 14:00, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:48:19 -0400 To:

Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

2014-07-26 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
Wow - that's really interesting -- that VW owners are so uncaring about the upkeep of their cars. I wonder if they were leases or owned? Of course the data to be analyzed is pretty extensive. IMO most car shoppers are interestied oin one thing - what's my ,onthly payment? Advertisers

Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

2014-07-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
That is insightful, as some time ago when I was looking for a car for the youngest son I seriously considered both Jettas and Passats. Nearly every used one I looked at had issues or a history of lousy maintenance (if any.) My brother owned an early 2000s Passat that he bought new. It was a

[MBZ] Nearly Vanquished

2014-07-26 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
This morning on my bike ride a NJ ahole in an Aston Martin Vanquish made a left turn right in front of me with no signal. Money can't buy class, courtesy, or intelligence. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] Porch v. Bambi

2014-07-26 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
http://jalopnik.com/watch-this-deer-gets-absolutely-obliterated-by-a-911-g-1611215533 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Porch v. Bambi

2014-07-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: http://jalopnik.com/watch-this-deer-gets-absolutely-obliterated-by-a-911-g-1611215533 I bet he's real glad that black car passed him right before they got to the deer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

2014-07-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've repeatedly been shocked by what VW owners will accept. People will live with dead glow plugs (and attendant CEL) for months or years as long as the car starts relatively well. Their cars belch smoke, start hard, slurp fuel and they just kind of shrug its a couple years old. Its weird

Re: [MBZ] Nearly Vanquished

2014-07-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've had that happen with BMW drivers mostly. A quick slap on the trunk lid usually gets me yelled at. One guy stopped and said How dare you! I explained that if he was close enough for me to slap he was too dammed close and if he'd like to call the police I'd explain my side of the story and

Re: [MBZ] Porch v. Bambi

2014-07-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Thats amazing and horrible, can't even see it coming. I went back and played the video a bunch of times and you can spot just a blur coming from the side... From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

[MBZ] Car stuff

2014-07-26 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
The shopping area down the road has a Cars and Coffee every few Saturdays. Last week there were some pretty cool cars there including a brand-new Ferrari 458. There is a pic at the link.

Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

2014-07-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Ouch. List people are savvy on how to deal with the insurance vultures. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:21 AM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I got in a wreck weds eve... Trying to figure out whether they'd total it.. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home:

Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

2014-07-26 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
I agree - begore reading the comments on this list I would have had a VW diesel near the top of my list. Sounds like I am back to MB -- if I can find one I can afford... Its a shame -- I also was a fan of Passats an Jettas - would have liked a wagon .. Larry On 7/26/2014 9:01 AM, Dan

Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

2014-07-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
In fairness to VW, I've never heard much bad about the TDIs in any flavor. I had a friend who was a dolphin trainer for Busch Gardens when they had a dolphin show some years back. They closed down the show and moved the animals to Sea World over in Orlando, a good hour's drive from here. He was

Re: [MBZ] Porch v. Bambi

2014-07-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I can't imagine how nasty that windshield must be. You could see all the blood and gore all over it. Could have been worse - could have been a moose! Dan whose sister was once bitten by a moose Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

2014-07-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I suspect that most lower end cars are not maintained the same as the higher end cars. VW is lower (despite their attempts at up-scaling their advertising) and Mercedes are upper end cars. There are VWs that have been maintained well, but you're going to have to search for one, and know what

Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

2014-07-26 Thread clay via Mercedes
I was in the market for the passat TDI wagon a few years back, but decided to check with my cousin, since he sold them. That was the swiftest scratch off the list conversation. Ended up holding onto the E300D, and SWBMA purchased some korean sedan loaded with bells and whistles. She is now

[MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

2014-07-26 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was

Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

2014-07-26 Thread Russ Williams via Mercedes
Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car

[MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel

2014-07-26 Thread Fmiser via Mercedes
I have voice my uncertainty about the supposed risks of ethenol in gasoline. Well, about a week ago my one push mower started running really poorly. It acted like a fuel problem, so I kinda wondered if the ethenol muck had finally got me. This is the mower I use rather infrequently. I don't

Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

2014-07-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I take exception to this statement. If flushing were such a bad thing, there would be literally tens of thousands of failed transmissions out there. I hear talk of fluid shock on occasion as well, and find this just as bogus. That is described as the condition where one drains and refills a

Re: [MBZ] Porch v. Bambi

2014-07-26 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
Somewhere, Richarde DeerSlayer is snickering 'cos it didn't happen to him... On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I can't imagine how nasty that windshield must be. You could see all the blood and gore all over it. Could have been worse -

Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

2014-07-26 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
Yeah, I can see the problem with VW diesels are more owner problems than VW problems although VW's are made to be utility vehicles - some look better than others so they can sell as family cars but they are still economical cars (read cheap) and they have always been. when I was working at

Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

2014-07-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I believe that Audi VW are still one and the same if not, someone please correct me. I believe, based on what I have learned since my W140 and R129 ownership, that from 1996-7 through the early 2000s MB had most of the kinks worked out of their cars. This would not apply to the M class,

Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

2014-07-26 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
they are quick to total. you try to get as much as you can from them, which can be more than their initial offer. them, if you have any interest, you ask them how much they will sell you back the remains for. then you decide what to do with that. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:21 AM, John Reames

Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

2014-07-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
LarryT via Mercedes wrote: I agree - begore reading the comments on this list I would have had a VW diesel near the top of my list. Sounds like I am back to MB -- if I can find one I can afford... Its a shame -- I also was a fan of Passats an Jettas - would have liked a wagon .. 12 years

Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

2014-07-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The speedy lube place we use has a system where they unhook the trans at the trans cooler and hook that to a tank which then pushes new fluid into the system as the transmission pumps the old out. Seems to work pretty well, we had it done a few times on the Dakota which went 222,000 on the

Re: [MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel

2014-07-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've had little problem with ethanol in tanks that I can keep clean and dry. The snowmobiles don't fall into that category very well... Since I started using Seafoam gas additive in every tank the problems have been significantly lessened. -Curt From: Fmiser

Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

2014-07-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
There is one system by which the fluid gets forced through the system backwards, I've heard that that system can damage transmissions. Seems legit, but flushing in the normal direction doesn't seem like it'd hurt anything. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

2014-07-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Just my personal opinion, but nobody hooks up a 'transmission flush' machine to any car I own. I have no trust in those machines and less trust in the people wielding them. If I want to change the fluid without a TC drain plug, I do something I saw in a factory Ford manual in the 1990s: Drain

Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel

2014-07-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The Audi diesels are VW TDIs. Many of the parts on my Jetta have both the VW badge and the Audi linked rings. -Curt From: LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: clay redgh...@comcast.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday,

Re: [MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel

2014-07-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Both my Ryobi string trimmer (4 cycle) and chainsaw (2 cycle) were fed ethanol laced fuel before I'd heard of the reported problems. They were run hard, and put up wet (gas still in the tanks). After two years, neither one would start and run. After replacing the HARD fuel lines, trying to clean

Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

2014-07-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The guy that has done mine (not any of my MBs, of course!) is a veteran indie mechanic that I trust. He's got the machine and been trained in its proper use. He says it does a great job getting all of the ATF out of the system and does it in a way that it won't damage anything. No way I

[MBZ] Moderator?????

2014-07-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation.

Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

2014-07-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: snip No way I would let one of the Jiffy Lube crew touch a system like that in any of my cars. I'll let them change the oil in my non-MBs but that's the extent of the contact I allow from them. Dan

[MBZ] OT - Kalebs new neighborhood

2014-07-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I flew to H66, the airport about 2 miles from Kaleb's new ranch/pick-n-pull today, 2 hours round trip. Attached are a couple of photos of the hangars at the airport. Looks like Kaleb could buy a C172 really cheap! The N-S runway is mostly asphalt, but the grass is making a valiant effort to

Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????

2014-07-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
We do, but he's been busy dealing with a father-in-law who just went into hospice care this week. Spent my afternoon today at the funeral home making final arrangements, too. Fun. I will say that I normally get a note from the system telling me that something is waiting to be approved.

Re: [MBZ] OT - Kalebs new neighborhood

2014-07-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I'll bet Kleb would offer them $500 for that plane that's flipped on its back...I wonder if they have the title? Dan On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:12 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I flew to H66, the airport about 2 miles from Kaleb's new ranch/pick-n-pull today, 2 hours round

Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????

2014-07-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:05:55 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved? Dan's on the list. Since Kaleb just left my house here in Los Alamos, I can say he's not on the

Re: [MBZ] OT - Kalebs new neighborhood

2014-07-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Looks like Kaleb could buy a C172 really cheap! http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140725/847af060/attachment.jpeg Now that's the kind of yard ornament that Regina needs for the new estate. Mitch.

[MBZ] Fwd: OT-ish Trans flush.

2014-07-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Seems my smart a$$ response only went to Dan - still getting used to the new settings. I also should have added that although I made all of my own tuition payments, I also made all of those of my four kids . . . never did figure out what went wrong there. -- Forwarded message --

Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????

2014-07-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Since he sold the GL, what was he driving??? On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:05:55 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since Kaleb just left my house here in Los Alamos, I can say he's not on the list.

Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????

2014-07-26 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
i'm here On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:05:55 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved?

Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????

2014-07-26 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
kleb said he'd make me a moderator, but it seems he's not going to do it :( On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved? -- OK Don NSA:

Re: [MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel

2014-07-26 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Marine Stabil (it’s the green stuff….not pink) is what I use in my small outboards, weed wackier, lawn mower, ’67 VW and ’68 250S. Once I started using this stuff religiously, no problems. Jon On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Both my Ryobi string

Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

2014-07-26 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
i think those flush and your tranny is toast thing comes from fords using type F in the 70s but changing it every 5k or so for a few times is not a bad idea if flush scares you. i used to change my tranny fluid ever 5k back in the day and the filter every 15 on the old hydramatics On Sat, Jul

Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????

2014-07-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:41:04 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since he sold the GL, what was he driving??? A Chevy diesel 4x4 pickup towing a car trailer. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

2014-07-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
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[MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I may go look at this tomorrow - it's not too far from me and the seller says the problem is that It won't shift past 3 u have to play with the gas peddle for it to kick into gear. http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/453306.html I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate? It's a 722

Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

2014-07-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
H - that looks remarkably like a number of his visits to our house. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: For quite a while, my signature for this list included '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) As of this

Re: [MBZ] W123 parts

2014-07-26 Thread clay via Mercedes
The longer you hold out, the higher the settlement will tend to be. The rep wants to clear the case as swiftly as possible. If it grinds on, they get dinged for being ineffective, and that comes back at bonus time, or job longevity. After a month, they will gladly cut a check for close to

Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.

2014-07-26 Thread clay via Mercedes
Unless I am doing a full fluid and filter change, I am pretty happy with a drain and fill, then run for 2500 miles, drain and fill again with a new to me purchase.Mobil 1 ATF clay On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: There is one system by which the fluid gets

[MBZ] Today's puzzler: W123 dead tach awakened by the horn

2014-07-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The tach in my 1983 300TD is temperamental, and probably on its last legs. Half the time it's pegged at zero then it behaves erratically and eventually calms down and performs correctly. I've noticed that when it's restingin dead mode, a tap on the horn brings it back to life. What's that about?

Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????

2014-07-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
How do you upload a photo to the site? On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:41:04 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since he sold the GL, what was he driving??? A Chevy diesel 4x4 pickup towing a car

[MBZ] OT - ish Tranz Flush too.

2014-07-26 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Alles.Trying to guess the right answer was eine fahr in die blaue.So I will perform a few more oil changes with filter and see what happens.Klatta on! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Nice looking car, and less than 3 percent of the sticker price. Call Potomac German Auto to find out the price of a good used transmission. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I may go look at this tomorrow - it's not too far from me and the

Re: [MBZ] Today's puzzler: W123 dead tach awakened by the horn

2014-07-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Tach amp? Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The tach in my 1983 300TD is temperamental, and probably on its last legs. Half the time it's pegged at zero then it behaves erratically and eventually calms down

Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

2014-07-26 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I missed it - what happened to Oskar that took him off the road? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel

2014-07-26 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
I have started buying premium gas for all my small engines especially the gas I use for two-stroke pre-mix. It has made a big improvement in running problems especially on my old Lawn-Boy mower. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] OT - ish Tranz Flush too.

2014-07-26 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Well that seems like the safe thing to do. I am doing what you advised for the CD. Running M1 with new filter. On Jul 26, 2014 10:51 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Alles.Trying to guess the right answer was eine fahr in die blaue.So I will perform a few more oil

Re: [MBZ] Today's puzzler: W123 dead tach awakened by the horn

2014-07-26 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes: The tach in my 1983 300TD is temperamental, and probably on its last legs. Half the time it's pegged at zero then it behaves erratically and eventually calms down and performs correctly. I've noticed that when it's restingin dead

Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find

2014-07-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate? It's a 722 tranny but I'm not sure if it's a 722.6 I didn't think ANYTHING had a 5p automatic in 1995 so I doubt it's electronic. Conductor plate is often intermittent downshifts going down the road, progressing to

Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

2014-07-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I missed it - what happened to Oskar that took him off the road? I think Shirley curbed him hard in a parking lot. Attached are some pictures of the adventure. Craig I didn't know Craig and Shirley had their own municipal sized water tower. Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Finderer

2014-07-26 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
Pretty sure it's the crappy 722.5 box, essentially a 722.4 with electronic overdrive but not as robust as the 722.4 http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/6719-1995-s320-transmission-problem.html however for that sort of money you can't go too far wrong, Klebby will probably give you

Re: [MBZ] Today's cheap S class CL Find

2014-07-26 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
Actually if you take Oz pricing it's less than 1%. Hendrik who may be able to afford a 140 in a few years time with all the money saved by home brewing On 27/07/14 12:21, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Nice looking car, and less than 3 percent of the sticker price. Call Potomac

Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? [This time to the list as well!]

2014-07-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:49:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: How do you upload a photo to the site? You do not upload a photo to the site, since there is no site; this is an email list. You attach your photo to your email to the list and then send Dan an email off-list

Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos [This time to the list, too!]

2014-07-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:57:12 -0400 Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: I missed it - what happened to Oskar that took him off the road? Shirley drove out of our veterinarian's parking lot and a little ways down the street when a medicine bottle started to fall over. She reached for it and

Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? [This time to the list as well!]

2014-07-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:49:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: How do you upload a photo to the site? You do not upload a photo to the site, since there is no site; this is an email list. You attach your photo to your email to the list and then send Dan an email off-list

Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos [This time to the list, too!]

2014-07-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:57:12 -0400 Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: I missed it - what happened to Oskar that took him off the road? Shirley drove out of our veterinarian's parking lot and a little ways down the street when a medicine bottle started to fall over. She reached for it and

Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos

2014-07-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 00:41:58 -0400 Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I didn't know Craig and Shirley had their own municipal sized water tower. We don't. It's on County property behind our lot. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To