Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
My 1983 300TD performs like a Porsche. Only a slight exaggeration, but it is very quick! On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Slow down smell the diesel. My 2.5t is a rocket compared to 240D. On Jan 29, 2015 11:04 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You must have a desire to move very S L O W. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] I must be pregnant Because I have a strange urge. I have the urge for about a 77-79 240d automatic and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because that was my first car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
Slow down smell the diesel. My 2.5t is a rocket compared to 240D. On Jan 29, 2015 11:04 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You must have a desire to move very S L O W. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] I must be pregnant Because I have a strange urge. I have the urge for about a 77-79 240d automatic and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because that was my first car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
My first two cars were both 1950 DeSotos with the semi-automatic transmission. Bought one for $89 and sold it for $75, the other for $20 and then junked it for $0. One broke down on Boylston street in Bahston during rush hour; the other gave up the ghost during the particularly brutal Minneapolis winter of '68... I can't think of anything nice to say about either one, except that they were IMPOSSIBLE to stall. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Kaleb's email about wanting a car like his first car got me thinking about my first car. My first car was a 1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88. It was light metallic blue. It was my older brother's car and he was going to sell it or trade it in. I ended up buying it from him. It had the crappy 260 V8 and it was worn out. We called it the Snookmobile. My brother called it the living room on wheels. It had a whole bunch of problems. The headliner sagged, so in my 16 year old wisdom, I staple gunned it back up. It took about 800 staples! The exhaust had a hole in it and if you opened the passenger door, exhaust would poor in. If the car was parked with the nose downhill, the horn would come through the rear speakers. If you pressed the cigarette lighter in, it would shoot out onto the passengers lap. It required a quart of oil every three days. By the end of its tenure, it was a quart every day and a pint of power steering fluid. The little knobs on the window cranks were all broken, so it took forever to raise or lower the windows. One Spring break in High School I decided I wanted to visit my father in Mississippi. He bought new tires for the car. I made it about 65 miles out of town when it blew a hose. I think it also blew a headgasket. I drove it for a few more months and anytime I drove it over 15 minutes, it would overheat. Finally, I traded it in to my Uncle who had a small car lot. He gave me a very generous $450 dollars for it. He took the new tires off, and the trailer hitch, and junked it. Even though it had a lot of problems, I loved it. Of course, what 16 year old doesn't love their first car! Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
Mine was a 71 Monte Carlo, a sorta light metallic blue. My dad went halves with me on it, I think he got the better deal as I was no longer bugging him for his car. It was a nice car, and I wish I still had it but it was starting to rust, ball joints going bad, etc. so I traded it on a Grand Prix (and totally screwed the used car dealer on the trade, which I felt good about). --R (gotta go buy my lottery tickee and start looking for an MC) On 1/29/15 11:20 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb's email about wanting a car like his first car got me thinking about my first car. My first car was a 1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88. It was light metallic blue. It was my older brother's car and he was going to sell it or trade it in. I ended up buying it from him. It had the crappy 260 V8 and it was worn out. We called it the Snookmobile. My brother called it the living room on wheels. It had a whole bunch of problems. The headliner sagged, so in my 16 year old wisdom, I staple gunned it back up. It took about 800 staples! The exhaust had a hole in it and if you opened the passenger door, exhaust would poor in. If the car was parked with the nose downhill, the horn would come through the rear speakers. If you pressed the cigarette lighter in, it would shoot out onto the passengers lap. It required a quart of oil every three days. By the end of its tenure, it was a quart every day and a pint of power steering fluid. The little knobs on the window cranks were all b roken, so it took forever to raise or lower the windows. One Spring break in High School I decided I wanted to visit my father in Mississippi. He bought new tires for the car. I made it about 65 miles out of town when it blew a hose. I think it also blew a headgasket. I drove it for a few more months and anytime I drove it over 15 minutes, it would overheat. Finally, I traded it in to my Uncle who had a small car lot. He gave me a very generous $450 dollars for it. He took the new tires off, and the trailer hitch, and junked it. Even though it had a lot of problems, I loved it. Of course, what 16 year old doesn't love their first car! Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
My first car was a 1970 Ford Maverick two door with the inline 6, 170 ci, the smallest displacement version of that engine. Had a three on the tree with worn out bushings that made shifting a search every time you went to shift. I owned it about 6-8 months before I lost control on some ice on a really nasty curve on the road we lived on. Went over a large rock before striking a tree. The rock literally tore the front suspension out. Had an AM radio and heat. That was the extent of the amenities. I did install an under dash Radio Shack cassette deck. Ironically, the wife had a four door version of the exact same year and model when I met her. We had that car for years. You couldn't kill it, and even the absolute worst winter weather wouldn't keep it from starting. It was so dead reliable that I refused to touch the ignition system the whole time we owned it, for fear that I would upset the balance and somehow jinx the reliability. I put plugs and wires on it, and probably caps and rotors, but I never touched the points other than to clean them up. We sold it to someone she worked with, and their kid(s) drove the car for a number of years after that. Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My first two cars were both 1950 DeSotos with the semi-automatic transmission. Bought one for $89 and sold it for $75, the other for $20 and then junked it for $0. One broke down on Boylston street in Bahston during rush hour; the other gave up the ghost during the particularly brutal Minneapolis winter of '68... I can't think of anything nice to say about either one, except that they were IMPOSSIBLE to stall. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Kaleb's email about wanting a car like his first car got me thinking about my first car. My first car was a 1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88. It was light metallic blue. It was my older brother's car and he was going to sell it or trade it in. I ended up buying it from him. It had the crappy 260 V8 and it was worn out. We called it the Snookmobile. My brother called it the living room on wheels. It had a whole bunch of problems. The headliner sagged, so in my 16 year old wisdom, I staple gunned it back up. It took about 800 staples! The exhaust had a hole in it and if you opened the passenger door, exhaust would poor in. If the car was parked with the nose downhill, the horn would come through the rear speakers. If you pressed the cigarette lighter in, it would shoot out onto the passengers lap. It required a quart of oil every three days. By the end of its tenure, it was a quart every day and a pint of power steering fluid. The little knobs on the window cranks were all broken, so it took forever to raise or lower the windows. One Spring break in High School I decided I wanted to visit my father in Mississippi. He bought new tires for the car. I made it about 65 miles out of town when it blew a hose. I think it also blew a headgasket. I drove it for a few more months and anytime I drove it over 15 minutes, it would overheat. Finally, I traded it in to my Uncle who had a small car lot. He gave me a very generous $450 dollars for it. He took the new tires off, and the trailer hitch, and junked it. Even though it had a lot of problems, I loved it. Of course, what 16 year old doesn't love their first car! Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
More from our friends at Techdirt: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150127/18110029835/dea-collecting-massive-database-your-driving-habits-secret-using-license-plate-readers.shtml Here's something for Randy: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150128/07173529836/spying-sharing-canadas-intelligence-agency-collecting-data-ip-addresses-free-file-sharing-sites.shtml I vote in every election and do my best to understand the issues and candidates. I figure you have no right to complain about things if you don't participate in the process. Dan On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:34 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Roger wrote: Now if all of you will call or write your elected officials, at all levels, and give them a piece of your mind, it will accomplish nothing... Totally sensible. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT 3-D printing poised to advance cleaner cars
Interesting article. 3-D printing poised to advance cleaner cars Published: Thursday, January 29, 2015 It's rare that a gleaming, azure legend on wheels fails to turn heads, but at the Detroit auto show earlier this month, Oak Ridge National Laboratory's Shelby Cobra faced stiff competition for attention. Acura and Ford introduced their new supercars, while other automakers presented next-generation hybrids and electrics. Towering matte military fighting vehicles and shiny trucks vied for the eyes of more than 800,000 attendees. But in this showcase all about the future of the auto industry, the Oak Ridge Cobra, a throwback to 1967, was a harbinger of things to come. The polished paint and chrome belied bodywork that came out of a 3-D printer, making the roadster a victim of its own success. People would walk by it and say, 'We don't get what's going on,' said Lonnie Love, group leader for the manufacturing systems group at Oak Ridge. It wasn't until Love placed a sign on the windshield saying Yes, it's a 3D printed car that more people stopped to check it out. The project was a proof of concept, showing the potential of additive manufacturing in the automotive industry. Rather than milling away a block of metal, a printer creates a component from the bottom up, adding to it layer by layer from a print head. Using these techniques, automakers can cut development time, shrink the carbon footprint of their production cycle and tailor their vehicles for specific markets. We set out to develop technologies that could really push the envelope of a printed vehicle, Love said. A fraction of the parts, all of the speed Over the course of six weeks, researchers printed the chassis and bodywork for the Cobra from carbon fiber reinforced polymers. While a production car can have more than 20,000 parts, the Oak Ridge roadster had fewer than 70 and weighs about 1,600 pounds. Literally, you could put a whole new drivetrain in in a couple days, Love said. The whole car, in terms of manufacture, was extremely cheap. The price tag came out to about $14,000, he added. Though the Oak Ridge Shelby Cobra traded the throaty rumble of a V-8 for the purr of a 100-kilowatt electric motor, it could still lay rubber, going from zero to 60 mph in less than five seconds. The motor, drivetrain, brakes and wheels came off the shelf. It's really exciting what Oak Ridge is doing because it shows us that we can take this to a much larger level, said Ellen Lee, team leader for additive manufacturing research at Ford Motor Co. It's really beautiful, she said of the Cobra. Automakers have used additive manufacturing techniques in some form for the past 30 years, but printing was largely limited to one-off parts used only in the design and prototype stage. It's really tough today to compete with manufacturing processes like injection molding and stamping, Lee said. Though the machines that produce parts like doors, bumpers and chassis take months to set up and cost millions of dollars, they make components in seconds, which is essential for factories that crank out a half-million cars at a rate of one per minute. Additive manufacturing, on the other hand, can take hours per part. There are also potential structural problems: Parts are printed in successive layers, so they may withstand stress in one dimension but fracture when bent a certain way. Shorter production time using less energy The printing process also leaves ugly scalloped edges. The Oak Ridge Cobra required extensive sanding and smoothing to match the curves of the classic. For a large manufacturer like Ford, the value of 3-D printing comes further upstream in designing cars and the tooling needed to manufacture them. Rather than restructure an entire assembly line, engineers can test fit parts in a limited production run, fix problems and print again. By using these technologies in the prototypes phase, you can iterate though designs without changing the tooling, said Harold Sears, an additive manufacturing technical specialist at Ford. This speeds up the product cycle from something that spans years to a few months, allowing new car designs to hit highways faster. In addition, instead of competing with molds and stamps, engineers can use 3-D printing to make the tooling itself. Sears explained that much of the tooling used to make car parts for a specific model is milled from steel and aluminum, an expensive, time-consuming, energy-hungry process. For a prototype or a limited production car, this is overkill, and it expands the energy footprint of a production line. With a 3-D printer, engineers can develop custom tools in hours, designing components with strategically placed internal pockets to reduce weight and the amount of material used, something that's impossible to do with conventional machining processes. Reducing the energy used in production creates a more favorable footprint for clean technologies like electric and fuel-cell cars,
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
A working example which we free Americans can look to is the files which still exist, some of which are 70 years old, gathered by the USSR government by the KGB on soviet citizens. Based on that data collected, Stalin is reported to have executed or killed by forced labor in Gulag, some 20 million Russian citizens. Decisions to kill someone or put them to forced labor and remove them from society were based on information gathered and kept by government agency workers and citizen reports. As Americans, who spent billions of tax dollars to defend against the prime enemy Russia for decades, there is a natural abhorrence and resistance to such data collection. Logic would indicate that in the Soviet Communist system, such data was used improperly by our Constitutional standards. Yet. it seems America has began to repeat exactly that which we fought against... Troubling . certainly to those of us who fought the cold war, which was not always so cold. The legal principle that guides all law enforcement, as stated in our founding documents, is innocent till proven guilty. The burden of proof rests with the accuser, as a function of law properly applied, even then, a prosecutor has a duty to present any evidence that may prove innocence [seemingly ignored presently]. The collection of data, without good cause shown, against an individual, fails the protections of 4th Amendment... in general terms, and has been repeatedly found the rule of law by courts of every level. I agree, civil discourse is much appreciated. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was purposely being silly. Should have appended a winkie icon to my post. Surprisingly, I think there are broad areas of agreement across the political spectrum on the need to control how big data is collected, used and destoyed by law enforcement. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No, silly. I think this whole situation is such that depending on how you view the role of government, you either perceive these actions as protective or overreaching. As I see it, much of what is happening today is a result of people trying to control information, for whatever reason. In some cases they abuse this control, and that’s when things get out of hand. While I’m all for try to catch bad guys/gals, if that starts to infringe on my rights as an individual I have a problem with it. The gathering or retention of data is something I personally have a problem with, as I think it conflicts with an individual’s right to privacy. Gathering license plate data is a good example. If there’s a reason for doing it, that is, maybe someone is searching for a particular individual who is up to no good or alleged to be so, fine. But once that data is collected and searched for the desired person ad results, it should be disposed of. No matter how stuff like this is viewed, it’s contentious. I don’t see a problem with it being discussed here as long as we’re respectful and play nice. I think civil discourse is a good thing. Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: So will the no right to complain police arrest me for what I write in this forum? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
The falcoon has the I6 144, 3-on-the-tree. It did not have any radio at all, and heat was an option on that model/year. (The only option that Grandma opted for.) I never did put in any kind of sound, it's still got the original plate over the hole. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
1960 Falcon, nicknamed by some the Falcoon. It was grandma's last car, and my first. I'm essentially the second owner. (Dad owned it at first, but I was the only driver. OTOH, I think he was the one who actually purchased it in the first place. I figure it all averages out to me being #2.) I still have it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
A guy I worked for while I was in tech school had one of these that belonged to his Mom. It was parked at the shop and rarely driven. I always remember the size of the steering wheel - that thing was HUGE! Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 1960 Falcon, nicknamed by some the Falcoon. It was grandma's last car, and my first. I'm essentially the second owner. (Dad owned it at first, but I was the only driver. OTOH, I think he was the one who actually purchased it in the first place. I figure it all averages out to me being #2.) I still have it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
We will never really know exactly what happened to Erik Scott because that security camera (at COSTCO main entrance), and only that one camera, failed that day, according to COSTCO and LVPD (yeah, right!). As many of us know, eyewitness evidence is the least reliable of all, as the many conflicting accounts confirm. The transcript of the 911 call is now available (possibly altered) and it does not support the observed police over-reaction, which included multiple ground units, a mobile command post, and a helicopter. The initial shooter (the cop) shot and killed another citizen earlier and he is no longer in the LVPD. But why did the other cops open fire when there was no threat to them? This whole story smacks of gross misinformation in the police communications channels plus one trigger-happy ex-cop. Crap happens. But I'll reiterate my initial point: there is little to be gained by acting confrontational with police officers in the field (even if they are acting like fools). Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: It seldom pays to be confrontational with a cop in the field. If the cop feels sufficiently threatened you could end up dead. If issues need to be sorted, do it later in a controlled environment, like a police station or court house. If you are carrying concealed (legally, of course) follow the cop's instructions very carefully and slowly. Why? Ask Erik Scott: http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunned-down-in-vegas-what-really-happened-to-e rik-scott/ Except Scott never had a chance to do anything but absorb bullets, according to his father. http://www.copblock.org/67750/interview-erik-scott-father-bill-death- threats/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
I was purposely being silly. Should have appended a winkie icon to my post. Surprisingly, I think there are broad areas of agreement across the political spectrum on the need to control how big data is collected, used and destoyed by law enforcement. There is a HUGE debate over BIG data collected by private enterprise by combines, and other field monitors, and UAVs. The huge chemical companies (monsanto, syngenta, and dupont) want it and want to keep it once collected, and private farms and farmers believe the data for their fields are their property. So the seed companies (mostly owned by BIG Chem), the fertilizer companies (mostly owned by BIG Chem) the fertilizer and chem applicators, co-ops (mostly in bed with BIG Chem), crop advisors, pest monitors, etc are all fighting with farmers and landowners over access and control of the data. Also big fights brewing over UAVs (drones) over-flying fields and airspace, privacy, and data collection) UAVs are being used to monitor fields, and since this is a commercial use, the FAA sticks it nose in. Every goobermnt agency from feds to local yokels wants control of the UAVs, but none clearly have jurisdiction, except perhaps the FAA for airspace. Farming is big data now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
My first vehicle driven was the 9n Ford tractor to pull loose hay into the barn. at about 8 or 9 My first car (bought and owned) was a 56 Karmann Ghia@ 17 First driven was the 47 Chevy truck i drove in the dermader fields while the dermaders were loaded on to take to the canning plant. I was maybe 12 First driven on public roads was the 65 Chevy Impala 3 on the tree with OD. at 14 or 15 My first MB was a 1962 190Dc Das Strassenlaunfer$3 to fill the 12 gal tank at 18 Still have the second MB, a 1966 200D At one time in HS, i drove a different vehicle to school each day for a week. (1 car and 4 trucks) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Andrew's next car: the tiny Colibri
Single seat electric, 68 mile range, faster acceleration than his wagons, top speed of 75 mph. Roughly $13k plus monthly battery lease fee. http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20150128-meet-the-tiny-colibri-germanys-one-seat-wonder -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew's next car: the tiny Colibri
If we crowdsource y'all can buy it for me. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Single seat electric, 68 mile range, faster acceleration than his wagons, top speed of 75 mph. Roughly $13k plus monthly battery lease fee. http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20150128-meet-the-tiny-colibri-germanys-one-seat-wonder -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
So will the no right to complain police arrest me for what I write in this forum? On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: More from our friends at Techdirt: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150127/18110029835/dea-collecting-massive-database-your-driving-habits-secret-using-license-plate-readers.shtml Here's something for Randy: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150128/07173529836/spying-sharing-canadas-intelligence-agency-collecting-data-ip-addresses-free-file-sharing-sites.shtml I vote in every election and do my best to understand the issues and candidates. I figure you have no right to complain about things if you don't participate in the process. Dan On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:34 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Roger wrote: Now if all of you will call or write your elected officials, at all levels, and give them a piece of your mind, it will accomplish nothing... Totally sensible. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] First Cars
Kaleb's email about wanting a car like his first car got me thinking about my first car. My first car was a 1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88. It was light metallic blue. It was my older brother's car and he was going to sell it or trade it in. I ended up buying it from him. It had the crappy 260 V8 and it was worn out. We called it the Snookmobile. My brother called it the living room on wheels. It had a whole bunch of problems. The headliner sagged, so in my 16 year old wisdom, I staple gunned it back up. It took about 800 staples! The exhaust had a hole in it and if you opened the passenger door, exhaust would poor in. If the car was parked with the nose downhill, the horn would come through the rear speakers. If you pressed the cigarette lighter in, it would shoot out onto the passengers lap. It required a quart of oil every three days. By the end of its tenure, it was a quart every day and a pint of power steering fluid. The little knobs on the window cranks were all bro ken, so it took forever to raise or lower the windows. One Spring break in High School I decided I wanted to visit my father in Mississippi. He bought new tires for the car. I made it about 65 miles out of town when it blew a hose. I think it also blew a headgasket. I drove it for a few more months and anytime I drove it over 15 minutes, it would overheat. Finally, I traded it in to my Uncle who had a small car lot. He gave me a very generous $450 dollars for it. He took the new tires off, and the trailer hitch, and junked it. Even though it had a lot of problems, I loved it. Of course, what 16 year old doesn't love their first car! Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
You must have a desire to move very S L O W. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] I must be pregnant Because I have a strange urge. I have the urge for about a 77-79 240d automatic and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because that was my first car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
I was purposely being silly. Should have appended a winkie icon to my post. Surprisingly, I think there are broad areas of agreement across the political spectrum on the need to control how big data is collected, used and destoyed by law enforcement. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No, silly. I think this whole situation is such that depending on how you view the role of government, you either perceive these actions as protective or overreaching. As I see it, much of what is happening today is a result of people trying to control information, for whatever reason. In some cases they abuse this control, and that’s when things get out of hand. While I’m all for try to catch bad guys/gals, if that starts to infringe on my rights as an individual I have a problem with it. The gathering or retention of data is something I personally have a problem with, as I think it conflicts with an individual’s right to privacy. Gathering license plate data is a good example. If there’s a reason for doing it, that is, maybe someone is searching for a particular individual who is up to no good or alleged to be so, fine. But once that data is collected and searched for the desired person ad results, it should be disposed of. No matter how stuff like this is viewed, it’s contentious. I don’t see a problem with it being discussed here as long as we’re respectful and play nice. I think civil discourse is a good thing. Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: So will the no right to complain police arrest me for what I write in this forum? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
No, silly. I think this whole situation is such that depending on how you view the role of government, you either perceive these actions as protective or overreaching. As I see it, much of what is happening today is a result of people trying to control information, for whatever reason. In some cases they abuse this control, and that’s when things get out of hand. While I’m all for try to catch bad guys/gals, if that starts to infringe on my rights as an individual I have a problem with it. The gathering or retention of data is something I personally have a problem with, as I think it conflicts with an individual’s right to privacy. Gathering license plate data is a good example. If there’s a reason for doing it, that is, maybe someone is searching for a particular individual who is up to no good or alleged to be so, fine. But once that data is collected and searched for the desired person ad results, it should be disposed of. No matter how stuff like this is viewed, it’s contentious. I don’t see a problem with it being discussed here as long as we’re respectful and play nice. I think civil discourse is a good thing. Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: So will the no right to complain police arrest me for what I write in this forum? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
Keep up the great storeis, guys. My first MERCEDES was a 1973 280, manual windows and no sunroof. Test drove it at night - down the street and back. Maybe 5 minutes. Sold by Tony Alami, who was actually an Iranian. in those days the only used Mercedes on sale were being sold by Iranians. He was a crook but I sold the car for more than I paid ($4850 vs. 4700) for it a year later, to a State Dept. diplomat heading overseas. That was back in 1982-83. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My first vehicle driven was the 9n Ford tractor to pull loose hay into the barn. at about 8 or 9 My first car (bought and owned) was a 56 Karmann Ghia@ 17 First driven was the 47 Chevy truck i drove in the dermader fields while the dermaders were loaded on to take to the canning plant. I was maybe 12 First driven on public roads was the 65 Chevy Impala 3 on the tree with OD. at 14 or 15 My first MB was a 1962 190Dc Das Strassenlaunfer$3 to fill the 12 gal tank at 18 Still have the second MB, a 1966 200D At one time in HS, i drove a different vehicle to school each day for a week. (1 car and 4 trucks) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
I was the first in the family to NOT have a VW Beetle for a first car. Not sure how that happened, but When I was in either late middle school or early high school, my brother had a 60's Beetle of some sort. He played baseball after school, so he would often ride with a friend to school and then home from practice. This meant I was home by myself in the afternoon after school, with his Beetle in the garage. I would sneak his car out and drive it around the neighborhood. If the fuel was down a little, I would top it off from the tank we had for the tractor and other yard implements. No one ever knew I drove it - I never got caught. The punch line is thus: When my Dad brought the Maverick home, he took me out to teach me to drive a stick shift. We lived on a road that was a large rectangle, so it was easy enough to drive around the block without disturbing anyone or dealing with traffic. Despite having to figure out how a column shifter worked, I was able to drive the car quite well (I thought) for a beginner after just a few turns around the block. Dad was very perplexed. I suspect he knew something was up... Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Keep up the great storeis, guys. My first MERCEDES was a 1973 280, manual windows and no sunroof. Test drove it at night - down the street and back. Maybe 5 minutes. Sold by Tony Alami, who was actually an Iranian. in those days the only used Mercedes on sale were being sold by Iranians. He was a crook but I sold the car for more than I paid ($4850 vs. 4700) for it a year later, to a State Dept. diplomat heading overseas. That was back in 1982-83. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My first vehicle driven was the 9n Ford tractor to pull loose hay into the barn. at about 8 or 9 My first car (bought and owned) was a 56 Karmann Ghia@ 17 First driven was the 47 Chevy truck i drove in the dermader fields while the dermaders were loaded on to take to the canning plant. I was maybe 12 First driven on public roads was the 65 Chevy Impala 3 on the tree with OD. at 14 or 15 My first MB was a 1962 190Dc Das Strassenlaunfer$3 to fill the 12 gal tank at 18 Still have the second MB, a 1966 200D At one time in HS, i drove a different vehicle to school each day for a week. (1 car and 4 trucks) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
First MB I drove (learned to drive) was my dads 170D ragtop. First wheels I bought other than my 10 speed was a '58 Ford Taunus 12M station wagon. On Jan 29, 2015 10:21 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Kaleb's email about wanting a car like his first car got me thinking about my first car. My first car was a 1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88. It was light metallic blue. It was my older brother's car and he was going to sell it or trade it in. I ended up buying it from him. It had the crappy 260 V8 and it was worn out. We called it the Snookmobile. My brother called it the living room on wheels. It had a whole bunch of problems. The headliner sagged, so in my 16 year old wisdom, I staple gunned it back up. It took about 800 staples! The exhaust had a hole in it and if you opened the passenger door, exhaust would poor in. If the car was parked with the nose downhill, the horn would come through the rear speakers. If you pressed the cigarette lighter in, it would shoot out onto the passengers lap. It required a quart of oil every three days. By the end of its tenure, it was a quart every day and a pint of power steering fluid. The little knobs on the window cranks were all broken, so it took forever to raise or lower the windows. One Spring break in High School I decided I wanted to visit my father in Mississippi. He bought new tires for the car. I made it about 65 miles out of town when it blew a hose. I think it also blew a headgasket. I drove it for a few more months and anytime I drove it over 15 minutes, it would overheat. Finally, I traded it in to my Uncle who had a small car lot. He gave me a very generous $450 dollars for it. He took the new tires off, and the trailer hitch, and junked it. Even though it had a lot of problems, I loved it. Of course, what 16 year old doesn't love their first car! Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
That is amazing that you still have it. I can't think of a single car I had from 16-20 years old that I would have kept or even want back. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey [mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:21 AM To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] First Cars 1960 Falcon, nicknamed by some the Falcoon. It was grandma's last car, and my first. I'm essentially the second owner. (Dad owned it at first, but I was the only driver. OTOH, I think he was the one who actually purchased it in the first place. I figure it all averages out to me being #2.) I still have it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
My older brother's first car was a VW. It was an early 60's (can't remember what year). But, I do remember it was the last year that was a 6 volt car. The next year, and thereafter, they were all 12 volts. When I was 13 I was invited to a party at one of the cool kids house. For some reason, my mother drove my Brothers VW to pick me up. Everyone was hanging around outside and I was so embarrassed that my Mom drove that ratty old car. Its amazing what teenagers think is important! Don Snook -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff [mailto:dpen...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:09 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: Re: [MBZ] First Cars I was the first in the family to NOT have a VW Beetle for a first car. Not sure how that happened, but When I was in either late middle school or early high school, my brother had a 60's Beetle of some sort. He played baseball after school, so he would often ride with a friend to school and then home from practice. This meant I was home by myself in the afternoon after school, with his Beetle in the garage. I would sneak his car out and drive it around the neighborhood. If the fuel was down a little, I would top it off from the tank we had for the tractor and other yard implements. No one ever knew I drove it - I never got caught. The punch line is thus: When my Dad brought the Maverick home, he took me out to teach me to drive a stick shift. We lived on a road that was a large rectangle, so it was easy enough to drive around the block without disturbing anyone or dealing with traffic. Despite having to figure out how a column shifter worked, I was able to drive the car quite well (I thought) for a beginner after just a few turns around the block. Dad was very perplexed. I suspect he knew something was up... Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Keep up the great storeis, guys. My first MERCEDES was a 1973 280, manual windows and no sunroof. Test drove it at night - down the street and back. Maybe 5 minutes. Sold by Tony Alami, who was actually an Iranian. in those days the only used Mercedes on sale were being sold by Iranians. He was a crook but I sold the car for more than I paid ($4850 vs. 4700) for it a year later, to a State Dept. diplomat heading overseas. That was back in 1982-83. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My first vehicle driven was the 9n Ford tractor to pull loose hay into the barn. at about 8 or 9 My first car (bought and owned) was a 56 Karmann Ghia@ 17 First driven was the 47 Chevy truck i drove in the dermader fields while the dermaders were loaded on to take to the canning plant. I was maybe 12 First driven on public roads was the 65 Chevy Impala 3 on the tree with OD. at 14 or 15 My first MB was a 1962 190Dc Das Strassenlaunfer$3 to fill the 12 gal tank at 18 Still have the second MB, a 1966 200D At one time in HS, i drove a different vehicle to school each day for a week. (1 car and 4 trucks) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
My last year in high school my dad gave me an '84 Ford Tempo 2dr mostly because the dealer offered him $50 in trade on it. It sat for a year from the time he bought the replacement '91 Tempo until I could drive which of course didn't help anything.I fiberglassed a floor into it which I then had cover with stove pipe and sheet metal screws since Maine won't accept fiberglass floors in metal cars. New brakes, and exhaust put it on the road.Mine had the 2.3l 4cylinder with a 4spd which kept it from being a total slug, the autos in those cars were terrible. Overall it wasn't a bad car. I sold it for $200 a year later when my folks gave me their '88 GMC S15 when my mom got her Cherokee. The GMC was a much better vehicle and lasted me through the next 5 years although it was swiss cheese by the time I graduated from College. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] First Cars My first car was a 1970 Ford Maverick two door with the inline 6, 170 ci, the smallest displacement version of that engine. Had a three on the tree with worn out bushings that made shifting a search every time you went to shift. I owned it about 6-8 months before I lost control on some ice on a really nasty curve on the road we lived on. Went over a large rock before striking a tree. The rock literally tore the front suspension out. Had an AM radio and heat. That was the extent of the amenities. I did install an under dash Radio Shack cassette deck. Ironically, the wife had a four door version of the exact same year and model when I met her. We had that car for years. You couldn't kill it, and even the absolute worst winter weather wouldn't keep it from starting. It was so dead reliable that I refused to touch the ignition system the whole time we owned it, for fear that I would upset the balance and somehow jinx the reliability. I put plugs and wires on it, and probably caps and rotors, but I never touched the points other than to clean them up. We sold it to someone she worked with, and their kid(s) drove the car for a number of years after that. Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My first two cars were both 1950 DeSotos with the semi-automatic transmission. Bought one for $89 and sold it for $75, the other for $20 and then junked it for $0. One broke down on Boylston street in Bahston during rush hour; the other gave up the ghost during the particularly brutal Minneapolis winter of '68... I can't think of anything nice to say about either one, except that they were IMPOSSIBLE to stall. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Kaleb's email about wanting a car like his first car got me thinking about my first car. My first car was a 1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88. It was light metallic blue. It was my older brother's car and he was going to sell it or trade it in. I ended up buying it from him. It had the crappy 260 V8 and it was worn out. We called it the Snookmobile. My brother called it the living room on wheels. It had a whole bunch of problems. The headliner sagged, so in my 16 year old wisdom, I staple gunned it back up. It took about 800 staples! The exhaust had a hole in it and if you opened the passenger door, exhaust would poor in. If the car was parked with the nose downhill, the horn would come through the rear speakers. If you pressed the cigarette lighter in, it would shoot out onto the passengers lap. It required a quart of oil every three days. By the end of its tenure, it was a quart every day and a pint of power steering fluid. The little knobs on the window cranks were all broken, so it took forever to raise or lower the windows. One Spring break in High School I decided I wanted to visit my father in Mississippi. He bought new tires for the car. I made it about 65 miles out of town when it blew a hose. I think it also blew a headgasket. I drove it for a few more months and anytime I drove it over 15 minutes, it would overheat. Finally, I traded it in to my Uncle who had a small car lot. He gave me a very generous $450 dollars for it. He took the new tires off, and the trailer hitch, and junked it. Even though it had a lot of problems, I loved it. Of course, what 16 year old doesn't love their first car! Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
I also owned a 1952 Morris Oxford and 1960 Wolseley when in Fiji. Both Brit cars, neither excessively reliable. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 6VDC electrics until 1966. That model also had trunk lid badging of 1300 on it, too. We used to convert them to 12VDC and leave the 6VDC starters in them. They would spin like you couldn't believe! Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My older brother's first car was a VW. It was an early 60's (can't remember what year). But, I do remember it was the last year that was a 6 volt car. The next year, and thereafter, they were all 12 volts. When I was 13 I was invited to a party at one of the cool kids house. For some reason, my mother drove my Brothers VW to pick me up. Everyone was hanging around outside and I was so embarrassed that my Mom drove that ratty old car. Its amazing what teenagers think is important! Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I had a hand me down from my father to start with (a 64 Anglia) but the 1st one I bought was a 65 Mustang. It was Rangoon Red with a Red interior. It's orginal color had been cream but it had been painted red by the time I got it. It was a 6 cylinder with a 3 speed manual transmission. A nice little car that made good mileage. I only kept it a year or two and swapped it for a 68 Cougar with a 289 and automatic. It was Red with a Black interior. I do sort of wish I had kept either or both of them. I had the 68 C10 that I commented on a week or so back for the longest time, and sometimes wonder if I should have hung onto it too. I cannot think of another vehicle I have had that I wish I had kept. If I had an acreage with a barn that I could store things in, it might be different. I live in a city on a small lot and have to limit myself here. I could take things out to the lake but parking is somewhat limited there to and the environment is probably more harsh there to to the moisture from the lake. Oh, Well, cannot have it all . . . RB On 29/01/2015 2:32 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote: My first car, 1966 Ford Mustang, 289 4 bbl V8. Blue with blue interior. That car was fun. I regularly kick myself when I think about it, should never have sold that car. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
Scroll down to the story with the vid and if you have a few minutes you can get some entertainment http://charlestonthuglife.net/2015/01/a-number-of-updates/ --R On 1/29/15 12:57 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: But I'll reiterate my initial point: there is little to be gained by acting confrontational with police officers in the field (even if they are acting like fools). Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
Weren't we (well, not me, I wasn't born yet) doing nearly the same thing at the same time (minus the killing and gulag of course) with things like the House Un-American Activities Committee and Hoover's FBI files on people? -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers A working example which we free Americans can look to is the files which still exist, some of which are 70 years old, gathered by the USSR government by the KGB on soviet citizens. Based on that data collected, Stalin is reported to have executed or killed by forced labor in Gulag, some 20 million Russian citizens. Decisions to kill someone or put them to forced labor and remove them from society were based on information gathered and kept by government agency workers and citizen reports. As Americans, who spent billions of tax dollars to defend against the prime enemy Russia for decades, there is a natural abhorrence and resistance to such data collection. Logic would indicate that in the Soviet Communist system, such data was used improperly by our Constitutional standards. Yet. it seems America has began to repeat exactly that which we fought against... Troubling . certainly to those of us who fought the cold war, which was not always so cold. The legal principle that guides all law enforcement, as stated in our founding documents, is innocent till proven guilty. The burden of proof rests with the accuser, as a function of law properly applied, even then, a prosecutor has a duty to present any evidence that may prove innocence [seemingly ignored presently]. The collection of data, without good cause shown, against an individual, fails the protections of 4th Amendment... in general terms, and has been repeatedly found the rule of law by courts of every level. I agree, civil discourse is much appreciated. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was purposely being silly. Should have appended a winkie icon to my post. Surprisingly, I think there are broad areas of agreement across the political spectrum on the need to control how big data is collected, used and destoyed by law enforcement. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No, silly. I think this whole situation is such that depending on how you view the role of government, you either perceive these actions as protective or overreaching. As I see it, much of what is happening today is a result of people trying to control information, for whatever reason. In some cases they abuse this control, and that’s when things get out of hand. While I’m all for try to catch bad guys/gals, if that starts to infringe on my rights as an individual I have a problem with it. The gathering or retention of data is something I personally have a problem with, as I think it conflicts with an individual’s right to privacy. Gathering license plate data is a good example. If there’s a reason for doing it, that is, maybe someone is searching for a particular individual who is up to no good or alleged to be so, fine. But once that data is collected and searched for the desired person ad results, it should be disposed of. No matter how stuff like this is viewed, it’s contentious. I don’t see a problem with it being discussed here as long as we’re respectful and play nice. I think civil discourse is a good thing. Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: So will the no right to complain police arrest me for what I write in this forum? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: LOL! I withdraw the mirth in case you weren't trying to be funny. All I have to say is, the breaks work on that car. -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
That is amazing that you still have it. I can't think of a single car I had from 16-20 years old that I would have kept or even want back. Don Snook THe car I wish I had kept is the 67 chevelle SS396 /327 I had in HS before the 190Dc. It would be worth big $ now, even with the 327. Some kid had blown up the 396 and they shoved a hi HP 327 in it. It was plenty scary with the 327 4 spd. The 56 Karmann Ghia might have had some value now too. THe chassis number was only 13xx. Someplace, I still have the plate from it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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6VDC electrics until 1966. That model also had trunk lid badging of 1300 on it, too. We used to convert them to 12VDC and leave the 6VDC starters in them. They would spin like you couldn't believe! Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My older brother's first car was a VW. It was an early 60's (can't remember what year). But, I do remember it was the last year that was a 6 volt car. The next year, and thereafter, they were all 12 volts. When I was 13 I was invited to a party at one of the cool kids house. For some reason, my mother drove my Brothers VW to pick me up. Everyone was hanging around outside and I was so embarrassed that my Mom drove that ratty old car. Its amazing what teenagers think is important! Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
I don't know how anyone can get any joy out of watching that sad spectacle. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Scroll down to the story with the vid and if you have a few minutes you can get some entertainment http://charlestonthuglife.net/2015/01/a-number-of-updates/ --R On 1/29/15 12:57 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: But I'll reiterate my initial point: there is little to be gained by acting confrontational with police officers in the field (even if they are acting like fools). Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My 1983 300TD performs like a Porsche. My 87 300SDL also performs like a Porch, except that it mostly blocks out the breeze with the doors closed. (RIP RLE.) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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My first car, 1966 Ford Mustang, 289 4 bbl V8. Blue with blue interior. That car was fun. I regularly kick myself when I think about it, should never have sold that car. EdB On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Kaleb's email about wanting a car like his first car got me thinking about my first car. My first car was a 1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88. It was light metallic blue. It was my older brother's car and he was going to sell it or trade it in. I ended up buying it from him. It had the crappy 260 V8 and it was worn out. We called it the Snookmobile. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
Just routine stuff around here, in amongst the murders by the young (self-described) thugs and other random idiots. The cops showed remarkable restraint on the woman, and her husband was lucky he didn't get ventilated when he ran up on the cops with their weapons drawn. --R On 1/29/15 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I don't know how anyone can get any joy out of watching that sad spectacle. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Scroll down to the story with the vid and if you have a few minutes you can get some entertainment http://charlestonthuglife.net/2015/01/a-number-of-updates/ --R On 1/29/15 12:57 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: But I'll reiterate my initial point: there is little to be gained by acting confrontational with police officers in the field (even if they are acting like fools). Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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My first car was a 48 dodge coronet with the semiauto transmission and a flat head 6. At 14 I took the head off freed up the pistons put new rings and rod bearings on it and got it started and running. I felt great till my dad sold it to the garbage man for $50 two months later. I never even got to drive it other then a couple of times on the neighborhood streets. It was supposed to be my car for HS. I understand it came down here to Florida from New York. I doubt it is still around. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I bet. We're talking about converting our '52 Farmall Super M to 12v and keeping the 6v starter. I've heard a couple and the difference is amazing. 12v batteries are so much cheaper too and for the amount the tractor sits its hard on batteries. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] First Cars 6VDC electrics until 1966. That model also had trunk lid badging of 1300 on it, too. We used to convert them to 12VDC and leave the 6VDC starters in them. They would spin like you couldn't believe! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I have wanted a 68-72 Chevy C10 or GMC for a long time. I went to an auto show a few weeks ago here in town and there was an orange one (I think it was a 1970) and it was totally stock original and perfect! It had 19,000 miles. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell [mailto:rbenn...@bennell.ca] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 2:43 PM To: Ed Booher; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] First Cars I had a hand me down from my father to start with (a 64 Anglia) but the 1st one I bought was a 65 Mustang. It was Rangoon Red with a Red interior. It's orginal color had been cream but it had been painted red by the time I got it. It was a 6 cylinder with a 3 speed manual transmission. A nice little car that made good mileage. I only kept it a year or two and swapped it for a 68 Cougar with a 289 and automatic. It was Red with a Black interior. I do sort of wish I had kept either or both of them. I had the 68 C10 that I commented on a week or so back for the longest time, and sometimes wonder if I should have hung onto it too. I cannot think of another vehicle I have had that I wish I had kept. If I had an acreage with a barn that I could store things in, it might be different. I live in a city on a small lot and have to limit myself here. I could take things out to the lake but parking is somewhat limited there to and the environment is probably more harsh there to to the moisture from the lake. Oh, Well, cannot have it all . . . RB On 29/01/2015 2:32 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote: My first car, 1966 Ford Mustang, 289 4 bbl V8. Blue with blue interior. That car was fun. I regularly kick myself when I think about it, should never have sold that car. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
Here is a 300D you should be looking at - it's got 15 bundts! http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2231705-sale-w123-82-300d-turbo-diesel.html#post10901897 Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 7:58 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Funny you should mention that... I picked up an automatic 79 240D in December with 100k miles on it. The body has had its share of paint and repairs from some fender benders, but its not rusty and the interior is wonderful. Its the first 240D I've had since about 2004... and the second one since my first mercedes, a 82 240D with a four speed that i had from 1998-2001. Its slower than I remember these cars being, but after sometime behind the wheel I remember just how enjoyable they are. Every bit of acceleration seems like a gift, and keeping up with highway traffic (or even passing someone!) seems to prove that you don't need more than 62hp in reality. Very satisfying. You are forced to carefully think out your moves on the road and be more aware of your surroundings. It makes you a better driver. I love the simplicity of the car. Series glow plugs, mono radio, manual everything, no sunroof. Big options on the car are AC and the automatic. I rebuilt the injectors and set the cam and injection timing to get out every hp I could. Its really lovely to drive. Here are some crummy pictures I took of it in the rain earlier this month: http://images.jaimekop.com/2015_01_04_240D/ I need to find another one with a 4 speed and keep it long-term. But, they're getting pretty impossible to find these days. Jaime On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Because I have a strange urge. I have the urge for about a 77-79 240d automatic and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because that was my first car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ...
Agreed, you're probably not going to beat that deal. -Curt From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Craig diese...@pisquared.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ... I concur. Make it so. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC On January 29, 2015 8:06:39 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm still investigating a battery for the '82 240D/3.0. snip It seems the Bosch from Pep Boys is what I should go for. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
On 29/01/2015 4:48 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: I have wanted a 68-72 Chevy C10 or GMC for a long time. I went to an auto show a few weeks ago here in town and there was an orange one (I think it was a 1970) and it was totally stock original and perfect! It had 19,000 miles. Don Snook Here is mine not long before I sold it. I had it some where around 24 years. I think we got it in the spring of 1986. We sold it somewhere around 2010 or 2011 - time flies so not sure how long ago? I could find the dates if I looked but it is not truly important to this discussion. My elder son was born in December 1984 and I remember him riding in a car seat between us when he was quite small so that probably makes it 1986 when we got it. I had to add a seatbelt as it only came with 2. A long time in any event. I tend to keep vehicles for a long time but that it the longest one so far. Although it is hard to believe that I have had my old MB for almost 10 years. I think I got it in July 2005. RB http://s131.photobucket.com/user/oldsub86/media/632_zpsec03bafe.jpg.html http://s131.photobucket.com/user/oldsub86/media/628_zps91ad0bcd.jpg.html http://s131.photobucket.com/user/oldsub86/media/639_zps9ce3a078.jpg.html http://s131.photobucket.com/user/oldsub86/media/371_zpsd3beeb25.jpg.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
Anybody watching The Americans on Bravo? Great series - well actedl! It's about deeply embedded KGB spies, a married couple having adventures in D.C. during the height of the Cold War. Suspenseful, taut, authentic. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I did except the gulags. I meant that the US was keeping an awful lot of information on people who, with the benefit of hindsight (well and not being ideologues) were really doing nothing wrong. The House Committee seems very much of the time with the rat out your friends mentality. Stalin must have loved it. -Curt From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Curt Raymond' curtlud...@yahoo.com; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers Gulags and black listing aren't even close to being similar. In one it was hard to get a job. In the other you (and often your family) disappeared and usually died painfully. Also, in the US it was ideological anti-communist while in the USSR it was political and personal. -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:22 PM Weren't we (well, not me, I wasn't born yet) doing nearly the same thing at the same time (minus the killing and gulag of course) with things like the House Un-American Activities Committee and Hoover's FBI files on people? -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers A working example which we free Americans can look to is the files which still exist, some of which are 70 years old, gathered by the USSR government by the KGB on soviet citizens. Based on that data collected, Stalin is reported to have executed or killed by forced labor in Gulag, some 20 million Russian citizens. Decisions to kill someone or put them to forced labor and remove them from society were based on information gathered and kept by government agency workers and citizen reports. As Americans, who spent billions of tax dollars to defend against the prime enemy Russia for decades, there is a natural abhorrence and resistance to such data collection. Logic would indicate that in the Soviet Communist system, such data was used improperly by our Constitutional standards. Yet. it seems America has began to repeat exactly that which we fought against... Troubling . certainly to those of us who fought the cold war, which was not always so cold. The legal principle that guides all law enforcement, as stated in our founding documents, is innocent till proven guilty. The burden of proof rests with the accuser, as a function of law properly applied, even then, a prosecutor has a duty to present any evidence that may prove innocence [seemingly ignored presently]. The collection of data, without good cause shown, against an individual, fails the protections of 4th Amendment... in general terms, and has been repeatedly found the rule of law by courts of every level. I agree, civil discourse is much appreciated. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
When you get ready to sell it let me know Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Funny you should mention that... I picked up an automatic 79 240D in December with 100k miles on it. The body has had its share of paint and repairs from some fender benders, but its not rusty and the interior is wonderful. Its the first 240D I've had since about 2004... and the second one since my first mercedes, a 82 240D with a four speed that i had from 1998-2001. Its slower than I remember these cars being, but after sometime behind the wheel I remember just how enjoyable they are. Every bit of acceleration seems like a gift, and keeping up with highway traffic (or even passing someone!) seems to prove that you don't need more than 62hp in reality. Very satisfying. You are forced to carefully think out your moves on the road and be more aware of your surroundings. It makes you a better driver. I love the simplicity of the car. Series glow plugs, mono radio, manual everything, no sunroof. Big options on the car are AC and the automatic. I rebuilt the injectors and set the cam and injection timing to get out every hp I could. Its really lovely to drive. Here are some crummy pictures I took of it in the rain earlier this month: http://images.jaimekop.com/2015_01_04_240D/ I need to find another one with a 4 speed and keep it long-term. But, they're getting pretty impossible to find these days. Jaime On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Because I have a strange urge. I have the urge for about a 77-79 240d automatic and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because that was my first car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
Auto box twin to the '78 240D that Dwight, Dimitiri and I have (or in Dimitri's case currently) owned. I can't really tell from your link but it looks as though theres probably no hole in the roof.. You ought to buy the '78 from Dimitri and transplant the 4spd. The series plugs are easy to do away with and the car starts so much better with parallel. Make big cables for it. I used 10ga which was an upgrade from what I think was probably 18ga when I got it. Fred gave me some 8ga wire that I'd intended to use but eventually used for battery cables on my Cub Cadet. -Curt From: Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant Funny you should mention that... I picked up an automatic 79 240D in December with 100k miles on it. The body has had its share of paint and repairs from some fender benders, but its not rusty and the interior is wonderful. Its the first 240D I've had since about 2004... and the second one since my first mercedes, a 82 240D with a four speed that i had from 1998-2001. Its slower than I remember these cars being, but after sometime behind the wheel I remember just how enjoyable they are. Every bit of acceleration seems like a gift, and keeping up with highway traffic (or even passing someone!) seems to prove that you don't need more than 62hp in reality. Very satisfying. You are forced to carefully think out your moves on the road and be more aware of your surroundings. It makes you a better driver. I love the simplicity of the car. Series glow plugs, mono radio, manual everything, no sunroof. Big options on the car are AC and the automatic. I rebuilt the injectors and set the cam and injection timing to get out every hp I could. Its really lovely to drive. Here are some crummy pictures I took of it in the rain earlier this month: http://images.jaimekop.com/2015_01_04_240D/ I need to find another one with a 4 speed and keep it long-term. But, they're getting pretty impossible to find these days. Jaime On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Because I have a strange urge. I have the urge for about a 77-79 240d automatic and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because that was my first car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ...
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 01:49:45 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Agreed, you're probably not going to beat that deal. -Curt From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Craig diese...@pisquared.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ... I concur. Make it so. -- Max Dillon The only thing I wondered about was the statement, If you are in the market for a battery replacement, the Bosch Premium Performance car battery is 100% maintenance free! I did notice, however, that the picture of the top of the battery, http://static.pepboys.com/images/productImages/56564100/BOSCH-BATTERY-49-850B-TOP.jpg , show plugs that have Phillips-screwdriver-like slots. I presume these can be replaced and water added as needed. That and the 3-year/8-year guarantee seem to answer my concern. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
You and me both although I actually want a K20 although I'd take a K10 in a pinch. :) Looking on Craigslist for Las Vegas there are lots of C10s and a few K10s. Also quite a few of each in the pacific northwest. -Curt From: Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] First Cars I have wanted a 68-72 Chevy C10 or GMC for a long time. I went to an auto show a few weeks ago here in town and there was an orange one (I think it was a 1970) and it was totally stock original and perfect! It had 19,000 miles. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell [mailto:rbenn...@bennell.ca] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 2:43 PM To: Ed Booher; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] First Cars I had a hand me down from my father to start with (a 64 Anglia) but the 1st one I bought was a 65 Mustang. It was Rangoon Red with a Red interior. It's orginal color had been cream but it had been painted red by the time I got it. It was a 6 cylinder with a 3 speed manual transmission. A nice little car that made good mileage. I only kept it a year or two and swapped it for a 68 Cougar with a 289 and automatic. It was Red with a Black interior. I do sort of wish I had kept either or both of them. I had the 68 C10 that I commented on a week or so back for the longest time, and sometimes wonder if I should have hung onto it too. I cannot think of another vehicle I have had that I wish I had kept. If I had an acreage with a barn that I could store things in, it might be different. I live in a city on a small lot and have to limit myself here. I could take things out to the lake but parking is somewhat limited there to and the environment is probably more harsh there to to the moisture from the lake. Oh, Well, cannot have it all . . . RB On 29/01/2015 2:32 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote: My first car, 1966 Ford Mustang, 289 4 bbl V8. Blue with blue interior. That car was fun. I regularly kick myself when I think about it, should never have sold that car. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
I learned to drive on a 57 Ford wagon (stick) bit the first car I considered mine was a 1963 Chevy Impala, dark metallic green, 283 auto. AM radio and heater only. No seat belts. It was my dad's car but he let me take it to college after my freshman year. Poor handling but a good car for dating. My sister killed it (drove it into a phone pole) after I joined the military. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
Funny you should mention that... I picked up an automatic 79 240D in December with 100k miles on it. The body has had its share of paint and repairs from some fender benders, but its not rusty and the interior is wonderful. Its the first 240D I've had since about 2004... and the second one since my first mercedes, a 82 240D with a four speed that i had from 1998-2001. Its slower than I remember these cars being, but after sometime behind the wheel I remember just how enjoyable they are. Every bit of acceleration seems like a gift, and keeping up with highway traffic (or even passing someone!) seems to prove that you don't need more than 62hp in reality. Very satisfying. You are forced to carefully think out your moves on the road and be more aware of your surroundings. It makes you a better driver. I love the simplicity of the car. Series glow plugs, mono radio, manual everything, no sunroof. Big options on the car are AC and the automatic. I rebuilt the injectors and set the cam and injection timing to get out every hp I could. Its really lovely to drive. Here are some crummy pictures I took of it in the rain earlier this month: http://images.jaimekop.com/2015_01_04_240D/ I need to find another one with a 4 speed and keep it long-term. But, they're getting pretty impossible to find these days. Jaime On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Because I have a strange urge. I have the urge for about a 77-79 240d automatic and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because that was my first car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ...
I concur. Make it so. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC On January 29, 2015 8:06:39 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm still investigating a battery for the '82 240D/3.0. snip It seems the Bosch from Pep Boys is what I should go for. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
Gulags and black listing aren't even close to being similar. In one it was hard to get a job. In the other you (and often your family) disappeared and usually died painfully. Also, in the US it was ideological anti-communist while in the USSR it was political and personal. -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:22 PM Weren't we (well, not me, I wasn't born yet) doing nearly the same thing at the same time (minus the killing and gulag of course) with things like the House Un-American Activities Committee and Hoover's FBI files on people? -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers A working example which we free Americans can look to is the files which still exist, some of which are 70 years old, gathered by the USSR government by the KGB on soviet citizens. Based on that data collected, Stalin is reported to have executed or killed by forced labor in Gulag, some 20 million Russian citizens. Decisions to kill someone or put them to forced labor and remove them from society were based on information gathered and kept by government agency workers and citizen reports. As Americans, who spent billions of tax dollars to defend against the prime enemy Russia for decades, there is a natural abhorrence and resistance to such data collection. Logic would indicate that in the Soviet Communist system, such data was used improperly by our Constitutional standards. Yet. it seems America has began to repeat exactly that which we fought against... Troubling . certainly to those of us who fought the cold war, which was not always so cold. The legal principle that guides all law enforcement, as stated in our founding documents, is innocent till proven guilty. The burden of proof rests with the accuser, as a function of law properly applied, even then, a prosecutor has a duty to present any evidence that may prove innocence [seemingly ignored presently]. The collection of data, without good cause shown, against an individual, fails the protections of 4th Amendment... in general terms, and has been repeatedly found the rule of law by courts of every level. I agree, civil discourse is much appreciated. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Back to batteries ...
I'm still investigating a battery for the '82 240D/3.0. I talked with the manager of the local NAPA store this afternoon and asked him about the batteries Interstate took away from his store, as Curly suggested, hoping to get an outdated one at a discount. He was quite confident that Interstate didn't do that, but said he would ask rep when he visited the store in 11 days (9 Feb). Their normal price is $184.95. The warranty is 2.5 year free replacement / 6 year prorated warranty. Pep Boys has a Bosch Premium Performance Battery Group Size 49 Part #49-850B, SKU: 9073755, for $150.99. [http://www.pepboys.com/product/details/9073755/00707/parts/batteries_accessories/automotive_batteries] These have a 3-year free replacement / 8 year prorated warranty. They also have a $20 rebate effective until Saturday and 25% off online orders over $75. Those would make it $93.24. Wal-Mart has an EverStart MAXX group 49 with a5 Year Warranty Program (3 Years Free Replacement + 2 Years Prorated) for $121. It seems the Bosch from Pep Boys is what I should go for. Comments? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (MBZ) '84 300D multi-purpose stalk
Rick wrote: I would not use them if they were free... WITH free shipping... You don't love your color tv? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ...
My Diehard fore the 300TD with 950 CCA lists for $199 but with exchange for the old one that died under warranty cost half that. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 22:03:37 -0500 Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: So the Bosch battery from Pep Boys is either made in Malaysia or Germany. That's what it looks like. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] first car
Folks The first car i ever drove was about a 1945 jeep out in the mountains of Colorado. I learned to drive mostly on a 1951 plymouth which my father bought new and i still have in the field. MY first car was a 1962 VW bus. I bought it for $50 and rebuilt the engine myself. I got stuck with driving and repairing air cooled vw cars for the next 15 years or so. xx rick hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ...
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:34:37 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Thats pretty common though, even maintenance free batteries still have the holes for the caps even if you can't open them. I knew a guy who would get batteries that were dead and drill out the holes. He swore about half the time he'd get a couple more years out of them for the cost of a pint of distilled water. -Curt That's nice to know. BTW, In doing research, I found some good information sources: http://batteryfaq.org/ http://www.scoop0901.net/AWAKE/FAQ/Battery/batbrand.htm http://www.autobatteries.com/en-us The first two seem to be independent; the third seems to be affiliated with AutoZone, since that's the only retailer their Retailer Finder finds. The first has a lot of good information as well as information and reference links. The second has a listing of who makes what batteries, though the site itself is dedicated to sleep apnea. Craig From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ... On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 01:49:45 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Agreed, you're probably not going to beat that deal. -Curt From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Craig diese...@pisquared.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ... I concur. Make it so. -- Max Dillon The only thing I wondered about was the statement, If you are in the market for a battery replacement, the Bosch Premium Performance car battery is 100% maintenance free! I did notice, however, that the picture of the top of the battery, http://static.pepboys.com/images/productImages/56564100/BOSCH-BATTERY-49-850B-TOP.jpg , show plugs that have Phillips-screwdriver-like slots. I presume these can be replaced and water added as needed. That and the 3-year/8-year guarantee seem to answer my concern. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 131 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (need to fix leaking oil pressure gauge) '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV, Big Red Van) Past: '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (MBZ) '84 300D multi-purpose stalk
Original Message From: Mountain Man via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mountain Man Subject: Re: [MBZ] (MBZ) '84 300D multi-purpose stalk Rick wrote: I would not use them if they were free... WITH free shipping... You don't love your color tv? I have a MIJ Mitsubishi 65 projection TV I got from FreeCycle for free. I watch maybe an hour of television a week (OTA), not including youtube snippets of PJ TV, Truth Revolt Originals, and Mercedes Source stuff. What does that have to do with cheap, inferior Chinese parts...? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ...
On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 22:03:37 -0500 Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: So the Bosch battery from Pep Boys is either made in Malaysia or Germany. That's what it looks like. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
Andrew wrote: Anybody watching The Americans on Bravo? I liked The Americans a while back when it was on hulu. Now hulu wants $$. There ain't nuthin' we can do - processes are too deep and there is not enuf angst. We love our color tvs. We like china prices. So, grin. Or be sure to keep out of the way, which works if you are careful and diligent. When we complain about what *they* are doing, we become inefficient. Rather, we need to listen to each other tell how to stay out of their way. We the people rule. Vote does not rule - vote is an indoctrination, a ruse. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
That is amazing that you still have it. I can't think of a single car I had from 16-20 years old that I would have kept or even want back. It's been far too long since I've driven it. That car is my time machine. So long as I drive it only infrequently, it takes me right back! If I had taken my Dad up on his offer to replace the Falcon with a newer Pinto back then, it would no longer have a home with me. I'm glad I didn't. Then and now. The Falcon, Ford's econobox of its day, is our largest car. It carries six in comfort. (The Dodge truck also seats six, but not quite as comfortably due to the back seat.) I have gotten 30mpg freeway trips in it. Infrequently, but possible. Single-barrel Holley carb, small displacement I6, stickshift. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
You're forgetting I'm an originality freak. I'm happy to keep the series plugs :) They work! Jaime On Thursday, January 29, 2015, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Auto box twin to the '78 240D that Dwight, Dimitiri and I have (or in Dimitri's case currently) owned. I can't really tell from your link but it looks as though theres probably no hole in the roof.. You ought to buy the '78 from Dimitri and transplant the 4spd. The series plugs are easy to do away with and the car starts so much better with parallel. Make big cables for it. I used 10ga which was an upgrade from what I think was probably 18ga when I got it. Fred gave me some 8ga wire that I'd intended to use but eventually used for battery cables on my Cub Cadet. -Curt From: Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com javascript:; To: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net javascript:;; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com javascript:; Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant Funny you should mention that... I picked up an automatic 79 240D in December with 100k miles on it. The body has had its share of paint and repairs from some fender benders, but its not rusty and the interior is wonderful. Its the first 240D I've had since about 2004... and the second one since my first mercedes, a 82 240D with a four speed that i had from 1998-2001. Its slower than I remember these cars being, but after sometime behind the wheel I remember just how enjoyable they are. Every bit of acceleration seems like a gift, and keeping up with highway traffic (or even passing someone!) seems to prove that you don't need more than 62hp in reality. Very satisfying. You are forced to carefully think out your moves on the road and be more aware of your surroundings. It makes you a better driver. I love the simplicity of the car. Series glow plugs, mono radio, manual everything, no sunroof. Big options on the car are AC and the automatic. I rebuilt the injectors and set the cam and injection timing to get out every hp I could. Its really lovely to drive. Here are some crummy pictures I took of it in the rain earlier this month: http://images.jaimekop.com/2015_01_04_240D/ I need to find another one with a 4 speed and keep it long-term. But, they're getting pretty impossible to find these days. Jaime On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com javascript:; wrote: Because I have a strange urge. I have the urge for about a 77-79 240d automatic and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because that was my first car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
You sound ripe for recruitment by the KGB. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew wrote: Anybody watching The Americans on Bravo? I liked The Americans a while back when it was on hulu. Now hulu wants $$. There ain't nuthin' we can do - processes are too deep and there is not enuf angst. We love our color tvs. We like china prices. So, grin. Or be sure to keep out of the way, which works if you are careful and diligent. When we complain about what *they* are doing, we become inefficient. Rather, we need to listen to each other tell how to stay out of their way. We the people rule. Vote does not rule - vote is an indoctrination, a ruse. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
Andrew wrote: You sound ripe for recruitment by the KGB. KGB is not as kool as ISIS or Snowden. I am also an originality freak and I like liberty which appears to draw little attention these days as a reality worth cherishing. Liberty is We the People and We the People need to be careful against liberty takers such as DC. We still have plenty of liberty, if we are careful. KGB nor ISIS have anything on what we have, even though we have plenty about which to complain, but complain wastes resources and accomplishes nothing and we need to do things. Let's get busy? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ...
Thats pretty common though, even maintenance free batteries still have the holes for the caps even if you can't open them. I knew a guy who would get batteries that were dead and drill out the holes. He swore about half the time he'd get a couple more years out of them for the cost of a pint of distilled water. -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ... On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 01:49:45 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Agreed, you're probably not going to beat that deal. -Curt From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Craig diese...@pisquared.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ... I concur. Make it so. -- Max Dillon The only thing I wondered about was the statement, If you are in the market for a battery replacement, the Bosch Premium Performance car battery is 100% maintenance free! I did notice, however, that the picture of the top of the battery, http://static.pepboys.com/images/productImages/56564100/BOSCH-BATTERY-49-850B-TOP.jpg , show plugs that have Phillips-screwdriver-like slots. I presume these can be replaced and water added as needed. That and the 3-year/8-year guarantee seem to answer my concern. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Back to batteries ...
So the Bosch battery from Pep Boys is either made in Malaysia or Germany. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC On January 29, 2015 9:56:18 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: BTW, In doing research, I found some good information sources: http://batteryfaq.org/ http://www.scoop0901.net/AWAKE/FAQ/Battery/batbrand.htm http://www.autobatteries.com/en-us The second has a listing of who makes what batteries, though the site itself is dedicated to sleep apnea. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
Ok, I'm ready. I'll probably list it this weekend for $5k Jaime On Thursday, January 29, 2015, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: When you get ready to sell it let me know Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jaime...@gmail.com'); wrote: Funny you should mention that... I picked up an automatic 79 240D in December with 100k miles on it. The body has had its share of paint and repairs from some fender benders, but its not rusty and the interior is wonderful. Its the first 240D I've had since about 2004... and the second one since my first mercedes, a 82 240D with a four speed that i had from 1998-2001. Its slower than I remember these cars being, but after sometime behind the wheel I remember just how enjoyable they are. Every bit of acceleration seems like a gift, and keeping up with highway traffic (or even passing someone!) seems to prove that you don't need more than 62hp in reality. Very satisfying. You are forced to carefully think out your moves on the road and be more aware of your surroundings. It makes you a better driver. I love the simplicity of the car. Series glow plugs, mono radio, manual everything, no sunroof. Big options on the car are AC and the automatic. I rebuilt the injectors and set the cam and injection timing to get out every hp I could. Its really lovely to drive. Here are some crummy pictures I took of it in the rain earlier this month: http://images.jaimekop.com/2015_01_04_240D/ I need to find another one with a 4 speed and keep it long-term. But, they're getting pretty impossible to find these days. Jaime On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mercedes@okiebenz.com'); wrote: Because I have a strange urge. I have the urge for about a 77-79 240d automatic and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because that was my first car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I must be pregnant
What kind of dumb a** wouldn't replace the switches so 3 of the 4 windows would work again. It must have some other major problem... On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Here is a 300D you should be looking at - it's got 15 bundts! http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2231705-sale-w123-82-300d-turbo-diesel.html#post10901897 Dan On Jan 29, 2015, at 7:58 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Funny you should mention that... I picked up an automatic 79 240D in December with 100k miles on it. The body has had its share of paint and repairs from some fender benders, but its not rusty and the interior is wonderful. Its the first 240D I've had since about 2004... and the second one since my first mercedes, a 82 240D with a four speed that i had from 1998-2001. Its slower than I remember these cars being, but after sometime behind the wheel I remember just how enjoyable they are. Every bit of acceleration seems like a gift, and keeping up with highway traffic (or even passing someone!) seems to prove that you don't need more than 62hp in reality. Very satisfying. You are forced to carefully think out your moves on the road and be more aware of your surroundings. It makes you a better driver. I love the simplicity of the car. Series glow plugs, mono radio, manual everything, no sunroof. Big options on the car are AC and the automatic. I rebuilt the injectors and set the cam and injection timing to get out every hp I could. Its really lovely to drive. Here are some crummy pictures I took of it in the rain earlier this month: http://images.jaimekop.com/2015_01_04_240D/ I need to find another one with a 4 speed and keep it long-term. But, they're getting pretty impossible to find these days. Jaime On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Because I have a strange urge. I have the urge for about a 77-79 240d automatic and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because that was my first car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
KGB no longer exists. It went away with the fall of USSR. Replaced by another agency.. still rude, but less power. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You sound ripe for recruitment by the KGB. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew wrote: Anybody watching The Americans on Bravo? I liked The Americans a while back when it was on hulu. Now hulu wants $$. There ain't nuthin' we can do - processes are too deep and there is not enuf angst. We love our color tvs. We like china prices. So, grin. Or be sure to keep out of the way, which works if you are careful and diligent. When we complain about what *they* are doing, we become inefficient. Rather, we need to listen to each other tell how to stay out of their way. We the people rule. Vote does not rule - vote is an indoctrination, a ruse. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] (MBZ) '84 300D multi-purpose stalk
Rick wrote: What does that have to do with cheap, inferior Chinese parts...? Mitsu is inferior Chinese parts, no? I like Bill Whittle/PJTV also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T-F_zfoDqI mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] First Cars
My father had a 1968 Camaro SS/396 CONVERTIBLE and it was white with the orange stripes. After I was born, (1973) they traded it for a new Buick Station. After my brother was born in 1969, my father was Stationed in Ethiopia and he bought an Alfa Romeo Spider Convertible. Sadly, when they left Ethiopia in 1971-72, he had to leave the Alfa Romeo. My grandmother had been taking care of the Camaro. I don't think she ever drove it while they were in Ethiopia. -Original Message- From: Curly McLain [mailto:126die...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 2:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] First Cars That is amazing that you still have it. I can't think of a single car I had from 16-20 years old that I would have kept or even want back. Don Snook THe car I wish I had kept is the 67 chevelle SS396 /327 I had in HS before the 190Dc. It would be worth big $ now, even with the 327. Some kid had blown up the 396 and they shoved a hi HP 327 in it. It was plenty scary with the 327 4 spd. The 56 Karmann Ghia might have had some value now too. THe chassis number was only 13xx. Someplace, I still have the plate from it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers
I did except the gulags. I meant that the US was keeping an awful lot of information on people who, with the benefit of hindsight (well and not being ideologues) were really doing nothing wrong. The House Committee seems very much of the time with the rat out your friends mentality. Stalin must have loved it. -Curt From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Curt Raymond' curtlud...@yahoo.com; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers Gulags and black listing aren't even close to being similar. In one it was hard to get a job. In the other you (and often your family) disappeared and usually died painfully. Also, in the US it was ideological anti-communist while in the USSR it was political and personal. -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:22 PM Weren't we (well, not me, I wasn't born yet) doing nearly the same thing at the same time (minus the killing and gulag of course) with things like the House Un-American Activities Committee and Hoover's FBI files on people? -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT License plate Readers A working example which we free Americans can look to is the files which still exist, some of which are 70 years old, gathered by the USSR government by the KGB on soviet citizens. Based on that data collected, Stalin is reported to have executed or killed by forced labor in Gulag, some 20 million Russian citizens. Decisions to kill someone or put them to forced labor and remove them from society were based on information gathered and kept by government agency workers and citizen reports. As Americans, who spent billions of tax dollars to defend against the prime enemy Russia for decades, there is a natural abhorrence and resistance to such data collection. Logic would indicate that in the Soviet Communist system, such data was used improperly by our Constitutional standards. Yet. it seems America has began to repeat exactly that which we fought against... Troubling . certainly to those of us who fought the cold war, which was not always so cold. The legal principle that guides all law enforcement, as stated in our founding documents, is innocent till proven guilty. The burden of proof rests with the accuser, as a function of law properly applied, even then, a prosecutor has a duty to present any evidence that may prove innocence [seemingly ignored presently]. The collection of data, without good cause shown, against an individual, fails the protections of 4th Amendment... in general terms, and has been repeatedly found the rule of law by courts of every level. I agree, civil discourse is much appreciated. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
