Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

and the tornado, how could we forget that

Werner Fehlauer wrote:


How about magnetic fuel line mileage improvers?
Werner

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so its the cheapy chineese filters and the motor honey, whats next? 
Bulk rate on duct tape?  Things really are going the okie way.


Rusty Cullens wrote:



Yes, I have it in stock now.





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89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Kleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

see banned post

Luther Gulseth wrote:


Anyone else notice how quiet Kleb has been all day?  His last message was 
around 8:30am.  Did he start the new job already?




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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Four barrel enthusiast

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

what uses L-jet?  Not familiar with that.

Zeitgeist wrote:


CIS isn't a whole lot "smarter" than a carburetor, but it is simple
and relatively easy to diagnose.  D-jet is a cruel joke, but I
actually like L-jet for its simplicity.

On 2/10/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


My personal experience with open-loop fuel injection (systems without a
lambda sensor, like early CIS, D-Jet, and early L-Jet) is that it runs
better than a carb, but gives about the same fuel economy.  Once you add
a lambda sensor the fuel economy benefits start to show up.



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (210k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Four barrel enthusiast

[Peter Frederick]

I beg to differ -- K-Jet is MUCH better at fuel metering than a carb -- 
the variation in mixture as throttle varies is much less.  The fact 
that the injectors are placed for maximum dispersion and no intake with 
fuel/air mix running through it make all the difference in the world.  
No need for an acceleration pump, for instance, should tell you a lot.


CIS is much simpler than a carb, except for actual manufacture.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] 1985 300SD Odometer Repair

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no

B Dike wrote:


Can the 126 odo be retrofitted to the 123?

Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The 126 odometer is different than 
the 123 and there is no glue needed, just replacement gears at $60-75.



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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you need GOOD working brakes for this

Trampas wrote:


Luther,

If the brakes don't work fix them first or at least make sure the E-brake
works. Then two start it. 


Trampas

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

It's thicker than diesel and won't wash the walls of each cylinder like
diesel can.  


I can see that I'm just gonna have to find a hill to use as brakes and pull
start the dang thing.  I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight and
have to work tomorrow.

Luther

~
~Luther Gulseth wrote:
~> For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved.  The car
has 
~sat around for about 10 years.

~
~I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though.  Why not just put 
~straight diesel in the spin-on filter?

~
~-- 
~John L. Ervine

~1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
~1980 300TD 175+kmi
~1980 300SD 277+kmi
~1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
~1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
~





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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Oh no, another date?

Luther Gulseth wrote:

It's thicker than diesel and won't wash the walls of each cylinder like diesel can.  


I can see that I'm just gonna have to find a hill to use as brakes and pull 
start the dang thing.  I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight and have 
to work tomorrow.

Luther

~
~Luther Gulseth wrote:
~> For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved.  The car has 
~sat around for about 10 years.

~
~I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though.  Why not just put 
~straight diesel in the spin-on filter?

~
~-- 
~John L. Ervine

~1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
~1980 300TD 175+kmi
~1980 300SD 277+kmi
~1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
~1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
~





--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

probably holes in the pistons.

Luther Gulseth wrote:


I don't want you to do it for me.  I would like to learn on my own.  I paid 
good money for this car ($150) with a nearly perfect interior and not a touch 
of rust on the paint.  It only has 75kmi on the ticker.  The salvage yard I got 
it from said it had a hole in the block.  I have yet to find one.


Luther

~
~
~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 01:46 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:
~
~> Maybe he wants to grease up the cylinders a little.  And if its an old
~> diesel, how much harm can that really do?
~>
~
~	He'll be getting straight ATF to the injectors. Not quite sure he 
~understands what and why he's doing some of this stuff. Probably 
~because someone told him to.
~	Luther bring it over to me and I'll either have it running for you, 
~diagnose your problem or condemn it.

~
~Johnny B.
~I Mac Therefore I am





--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its going to need at least around 270 to start.  If  you are seeing 
figured below 200, into the 100's or even lower, its got stuck rings or 
is just plain worn out.  If its healthy, you will see well into the 300's.


Luther Gulseth wrote:


I have a diesel compression checker in my posession.  What values should I see 
on a cold engine that's not been used for around 10 years?

~
~
~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:
~
~> Should I try 2 batteries in series?  Will that hurt the glow plugs?
~>
~
~	I don't see how it would hurt the GPs and the starter will probably 
~love it but consider isolating the rest of your electrical system lest 
~you fry expensive electronics. Try blowing some air into the vacuum 
~shut-off box at a low pressure.

~   Have you run a compression test yet?
~
~Johnny B.
~I Mac Therefore I am





--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Four barrel enthusiast

[Peter Frederick]

Easy:  2.76 rear end gears in the 58 chevy and 3.55 rear end gears in 
the Benz.  The Chevy also produces somewhat less hp and torque.


Emission controls on the later (post 74) SLC also cause serious fuel 
milage penalties.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have, or rather had, one.  Its still here though.

Luther Gulseth wrote:


Sure, much easier to tow start if you have a tow dolly or known good 
brakes..

~
~When I put 24V on the starter what I do is disconnect the starter pos
~battery terminal from rest of system. Then place second battery between
~original and starter cable. Thus the main electrical system, glow plugs etc
~are still 12V and the starter is the only 24V thing. 
~
~Again it is much much easier to tow start. 
~

~Trampas
~
~-Original Message-
~From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~On Behalf Of Marshall Booth
~Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:32 PM
~To: Mercedes Discussion List
~Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update
~
~Luther Gulseth wrote:
~> Should I try 2 batteries in series?  Will that hurt the glow plugs?
~> 
~
~Two batteries in series MIGHT easily burn up a few glow plugs or at 
~least fry the glow plug fuse, but I've never tried it.

~
~Marshall
~-- 
~	  Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)

~   "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
~'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 
~turbo 237kmi

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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

If it has been sitting, chances are its going to take a tow start to 
revive it, if the engine is not shot.  Question is, why has it been 
sitting in the first place?


Luther Gulseth wrote:


'82 300D (Blue Bomber).  I poured some Marvel Mystery oil into each cylinder last evening 
and then turned the engine over by hand.  Each cylinder shot the oil out like a gyser.  I 
had the injector lines loose, I guess.  They were finger tight, then loosened 1/4-1/2 
turn.  I'll try "cracking" them from tight.  Next time I try to start it, I'll 
replace both fuel filters and fill the spin-on with ATF.

~
~If you see oozing, my guess is that the pump is ok.  if the caps are loose, 
~you see fuel ooze.  if the caps are "cracked" just right, you will get high 
~pressure spurts.  about 1/16 turn to 1/8 turn is cracking the line.

~
~it is more likely that you have low compression/stuck rings or bad glow 
~plugs/prechambers or a combination of all.
~it is also possible that the rack in the pump is stuck.  I have never 
~encountered this.  What year was this?  does it have the mechanical 
~governor?  I think all coupes would have the mechanical governor.  I am not 
~sure when they changed over to the mechanical governor from the vacuum.  77 
~78 may have vacuum.  I know some of the early 123s had the swing tube intake.

~





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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver

[Werner Fehlauer]

How about magnetic fuel line mileage improvers?
Werner

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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver


so its the cheapy chineese filters and the motor honey, whats next? 
Bulk rate on duct tape?  Things really are going the okie way.


Rusty Cullens wrote:


Yes, I have it in stock now.





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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

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[MBZ] In the autotrader, 108 4 speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Noticed a 70 280SE with 4 speed on the tree today in the autotrader. 
Listed at $1800.  If anybody wants more info, check 
www.traderonline.com, and go to the collector car trader section. Should 
be there.  If not, I can check and get the number.

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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] 4 QTS!? Was New Lubro Moly product

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea, they are maniacs.  Well I vote for it to come back.  ALthough 
probably  not since you are a busy man now days.


Gary Hurst wrote:


you remember why i stopped the autotrader stuff?  they accused me of
spamming the list!

i'm amazed at how succesfull those maniacs have been


On 2/9/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Oil, oil, which oil!?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

BZT, WRONG.  As I said before, I have never seen one that way, in 
fact, I just checked and that is not even a stock option.  Most of them 
were 3:42, but 3:73 was also an option.  If in fact his really has 4:10 
gears, I would probably go to 3:73 if I was going to do any towing.  If 
not, or just light towing, I would go 3:42.


John Berryman wrote:


On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 08:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


I have never seen a suburban with 4:10 gears.  That is usually for 1 
ton

trucks.  Even with the taller gears you are not going to be able to
safely pull 10K lbs with a burb.  I would check the codes and see if
that rear end is factory or if somebody changed it before you.  I would
change to a more factory set, something like 3.73 I think, even less
probably.  Not sure offhand what most of them came with.  I would check
out gm-diesel.net for more info.






	Cars/trucks with overdrive require gear ratios in the 4.10 range. 
Gives the pulling power required and economy when cruising at higher 
speeds.



Johnny B.
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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] letter designations

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Takes one to know one denial.

George Gregory wrote:


POT-KETTLE-BLACK
One Thing you are an expert in is Morons 
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well M stands for moron, that much I know.




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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

so its the cheapy chineese filters and the motor honey, whats next? 
Bulk rate on duct tape?  Things really are going the okie way.


Rusty Cullens wrote:


Yes, I have it in stock now.





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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Four barrel enthusiast

[Jim Cathey]

Yeah, and my CIS 450 SLC got 12-15 mpg tops!


I think our SL has hit 17 a time or two, but 14-15 is normal IIRC.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Curt Raymond]

Ahhh I agree on so many levels for most things but in this case...
  Seems like when it comes to oil all my local parts shops are staffed by such 
chuckleheads it boggles the mind. 
  For parts and fuel additives and regular oils I'm there. For Mobil 1 its 
Wal-Mart, esp because they have the 5 quart bottles.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:49:42 -0500
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Subject: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto
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I hate Walmart!  Support your local shop/Rusty. Build a relationship 
you can 
both live with.  I spent 15 minutes at my local NAPA Auto Supply this 
morning replacing my wiper blades on my wife's 2005 Caravan.  The guy 
did 
everything for but pay them.  I love personal service
Mike



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Temp goes right up to where it should, heat is good. Thermostat is new in the 
last month. No amount of smoke to speak of. Before the termostat was replaced 
the temp hung way low, no heat and clouds of smoke.
  The car is from Jersey. I bought it in early December but I think it had sat 
for awhile when I picked it up. I've put about a tank through it since I've had 
it. I live in Central MA, its been relatively cold recently. When I first got 
the car it was having this problem way worse. I put in a bottle of Diesel Kleen 
which I now know is not anti-gel or water seqestering. I also filled up with 
good winter fuel which probably made more of a difference. As I say even then 
if it idled for 20 minutes or I drove it at what speed I could get for 10-15 
miles it would clean up and drive good.
   
  The tank is pretty empty now (380 miles since last fillup) so I plan to head 
to Wal-Mart (40 more miles) get my oil and add some Diesel Suppliment then 
fill'er up. Hopefully that'll grab any last water thats in there and prevent 
gelling of any little bit of old fuel thats left.
   
  -Curt
  '85 190D "Dory" 233kmi
  '83 240D "Hammie" 253kmi
   
  Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:57:35 -0500
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 Your thermostat may be stuck in the open position. Does it go up to 
like 80 degrees C when idling. Where you are and where your fuel came 
from can mean something too.
 On a few occasions my wife filled up in Jersey and had noticeable 
gelling problems up here 250 miles North.

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Re: [MBZ] spare PS filter?

[Luther Gulseth]

I'm sure Rusty does.

~
~Anyone out there have a spare power-steering filter for a 124 300D 2.5T?  It
~was the one thing I forgot to order ...
~
~--
~Sunil Hari
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~513-205-7474



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

[MBZ] spare PS filter?

[Sunil Hari]

Anyone out there have a spare power-steering filter for a 124 300D 2.5T?  It
was the one thing I forgot to order ...

--
Sunil Hari
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
513-205-7474

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[kevin kraly]

Rusty says:  It is a Grey Market car.

That would also make sense.

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D unnames with unknown miles

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Luther Gulseth]

NOo.  I don't like the odds of loosing the nearly perfect interior! 
 Nor do I want a n/a 240!  Me likes the turbos.

~
~I say let's find a HUUGE hill, put both mine and Luther's cars at the 
~top with filters filled with ATF and wel-soaked cylinders and send them both 
~to the bottom.  Whichever car is running by the time they get to the bottom 
~is MINE!  If they're both running, I'll take the one that makes it back up 
~to the top first.
~
~Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
~1973 220D unnamed with unknown mileage 
~
~



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Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[kevin kraly]

I also have a compression tester.  Maybe it's time to pull it out and test 
things on this 220D once it's home in the driveway.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D unnaned and unknown miles 

[MBZ] Kleb

[Luther Gulseth]

Anyone else notice how quiet Kleb has been all day?  His last message was 
around 8:30am.  Did he start the new job already?


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'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese cars

[Christopher McCann]

Kia built my old Ford Festiva and it was a fabulous little car. I  really 
regret selling it. I still see them all the time  so I  concluded they must 
have been pretty decent overall. Haven't seen a  Yugo in ages.
  
  God  help you if you get in a wreck in a Festiva, though. 
  
  Chris

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Lets not forget that the Hyundai and Kia have improved from truly awful to 
merely embarrassing. Just a tic more and Chevrolet had better watch their back.

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I say let's find a HUUGE hill, put both mine and Luther's cars at the 
top with filters filled with ATF and wel-soaked cylinders and send them both 
to the bottom.  Whichever car is running by the time they get to the bottom 
is MINE!  If they're both running, I'll take the one that makes it back up 
to the top first.

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D unnamed with unknown mileage 

Re: [MBZ] letter designations

[kevin kraly]

When I had a diesel Vanagon camper, I used to jokingly call it a "13
foot diesel pusher."

That's very funny indeed!  My wife and I have a travel trailer powered by a 
Dodge Cummins diesel puller,  and my parents have a class C motor home.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D X01K miles, unnamed 

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Kevin]

On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 01:33:24PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote:
> Sure, much easier to tow start if you have a tow dolly or known good 
> brakes..

I think you've solved the brake problem. Don't need a tow dolly, all you need
is a rope and something that can pull. And in your line of work, you have
no shortage of trucks that can pull things :)

K

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Marshall Booth]

Luther Gulseth wrote:

I have a diesel compression checker in my posession.  What values should I see 
on a cold engine that's not been used for around 10 years?


On an engine that hasn't run in years, the results of a cold compression 
test will be all over the place - and only if they are rather even (VERY 
unlikely) will they mean anything. I wouldn't waste your time. Spend the 
same amount of time starting the engine - that will tell you MUCH more.


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Re: [MBZ] Four barrel enthusiast

[Zeitgeist]

CIS isn't a whole lot "smarter" than a carburetor, but it is simple
and relatively easy to diagnose.  D-jet is a cruel joke, but I
actually like L-jet for its simplicity.

On 2/10/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My personal experience with open-loop fuel injection (systems without a
> lambda sensor, like early CIS, D-Jet, and early L-Jet) is that it runs
> better than a carb, but gives about the same fuel economy.  Once you add
> a lambda sensor the fuel economy benefits start to show up.

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'84 300D (210k)
Gashuffer:
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Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[kevin kraly]

Hard to remember who's cheap diesel these posts are for - Luther has an 83
240D, paid $150, wants to use ATF instead of diesel, and has a date tonight.

Kevin has a 74 (73) 220D, paid $100, and we don't know what he is doing
tonight.

You've got it right.

Kevin in HIllsboro Oregon
1973 220D x01K miles, unnamed 

Re: [MBZ] Chinese cars

[RELNGSON]

<>

Lets not forget that the Hyundai and Kia have improved from truly awful to 
merely embarrassing. Just a tic more and Chevrolet had better watch their back.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] 1985 300SD Odometer Repair

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 03:43 PM, B Dike wrote:



Can the 126 odo be retrofitted to the 123?



	Anything can be done, but the 126 has an electronic speedo 123 is 
mechanical. You would need to change the tranny or try to install the 
drive and driven gears and rear housing.

Probably not feasible. Buy a cheap GPS that'll retrofit into anything.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 3, Issue 73

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 03:31 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 Question: my car has significant hesitation around 3000-3500rpm until 
its run for 5-10 miles. I think there may be some gelled fuel or water 
left in the system as after the 5-10 miles have passed it runs 
perfectly. I *think* the 190D has a system to warm fuel in the lines 
is that right? I ran a bottle of Diesel Kleen through the system to 
help blow out the carbon, I'm planning on a bottle of Diesel 
Suppliment to squester water and anti-gel.


  So one last run to Wal-Mart tonight for the 15w50 and Diesel 
Suppliment.


  -Curt



	Your thermostat may be stuck in the open position. Does it go up to 
like 80 degrees C when idling. Where you are and where your fuel came 
from can mean something too.
	On a few occasions my wife filled up in Jersey and had noticeable 
gelling problems up here 250 miles North.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Rory]

Heck even your local oil jobber/dealer too. Price alone is not the reason.

On 2/10/06, MICHAEL ESH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hate Walmart!  Support your local shop/Rusty. Build a relationship you can
> both live with.  I spent 15 minutes at my local NAPA Auto Supply this
> morning replacing my wiper blades on my wife's 2005 Caravan.  The guy did
> everything for but pay them.  I love personal service
> Mike
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 3, Issue 73
>
>
> > Followup report, 10F this morning. I glowed the 190D twice because thats
> > what the 240D would have required. I needn't have bothered it fired right
> > up without a worry. Thats with dino oil no less.
> >
> >  Its funny with as badly boogered as the rest of the car is the engine
> > seems pretty solid.
> >
> >  Question: my car has significant hesitation around 3000-3500rpm until its
> > run for 5-10 miles. I think there may be some gelled fuel or water left in
> > the system as after the 5-10 miles have passed it runs perfectly. I
> > *think* the 190D has a system to warm fuel in the lines is that right? I
> > ran a bottle of Diesel Kleen through the system to help blow out the
> > carbon, I'm planning on a bottle of Diesel Suppliment to squester water
> > and anti-gel.
> >
> >  So one last run to Wal-Mart tonight for the 15w50 and Diesel Suppliment.
> >
> >  -Curt
> >
> >  Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:08:37 -0500
> > From: John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Johnny B. RE: Amsoil
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> > On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 07:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> >
> >> But absolutely useless if you can't get the blasted stuff!
> >>   I've now been to 3 Wal-Marts and 6 auto parts stores and none had
> >> any or could/would order any.
> >>
> >>   I can easily get 15w50 and since Johnny B says his car starts good
> >> below zero with it, and since I doubt we'll get much below zero again
> >> this year AND because at 15F this morning with dino 15w40 in it my
> >> 190D started just fine I'll be going with the 15w50.
> >>
> >>   -Curt
> >>
> >
> > Do it.
> >
> > Johnny B.
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> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300SD Odometer Repair

[Trampas]

I guess given enough saw blades and glue, but why?

The W123 oil pressure gauge is mechanical. To use the W126 electric oil
pressure sensor you have to change oil filter housing. Found this out trying
to put a W123 OM617 in a W126. 

W126 speedometer is electric, W123 is mechanical. 

Trampas

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Can the 126 odo be retrofitted to the 123?

Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The 126 odometer is different
than the 123 and there is no glue needed, just replacement gears at $60-75.

~
~George,
~ 
~ The odometer can be fixed with super glue. First push out the instrument 
~cluster by reaching up behind the dash. Remove the speedometer/odometer
unit 
~from the cluster. You will find that the gray metal toothed gear is
slipping 
~on the odometer shaft. To repair, warm the odometer under a lamp and using
a 
~very thin xacto blade or similar tool, carefully apply a couple small drops

~of liquid (not gel) superglue on the shaft precisely where it meets the 
~gear. It's a tight fit but it can be done. Let cool and harden. Keep the 
~gear moving a tiny bit if it wants to adhere to the housing. Reassemble 
~cluster and install. I have performed this procedure on a couple of my cars

~and it has worked perfectly in both cases without any problems.
~ 
~ Good Luck,
~ 
~ Bruce
~
~George Larribeau wrote:My odometer has stopped in my 85 
~300SD. Yes the speedometer still works. It happened after I reset the trip 
~OD. Multiple trip OD resets have not cleared it. I want to remove the spedo

~and have it repaired (there is a local; shop that has worked on various MC 
~spedo's for me that seems to be competent. I have been reading the PDF
(from 
~the indiees) numbered 54-250 R and R instrument cluster. Some of the 
~instructions are a little sparse, like steering wheel . remove, reinstall. 
~And the use of Extractor hook PN 126 589 03 33 00. Is an extractor hook 
~something I can make / improvise. Do I need to remove the steering wheel?
If 
~so what is the best way to go about it.
~
~
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[MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[MICHAEL ESH]

I hate Walmart!  Support your local shop/Rusty. Build a relationship you can 
both live with.  I spent 15 minutes at my local NAPA Auto Supply this 
morning replacing my wiper blades on my wife's 2005 Caravan.  The guy did 
everything for but pay them.  I love personal service

Mike

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 3, Issue 73


Followup report, 10F this morning. I glowed the 190D twice because thats 
what the 240D would have required. I needn't have bothered it fired right 
up without a worry. Thats with dino oil no less.


 Its funny with as badly boogered as the rest of the car is the engine 
seems pretty solid.


 Question: my car has significant hesitation around 3000-3500rpm until its 
run for 5-10 miles. I think there may be some gelled fuel or water left in 
the system as after the 5-10 miles have passed it runs perfectly. I 
*think* the 190D has a system to warm fuel in the lines is that right? I 
ran a bottle of Diesel Kleen through the system to help blow out the 
carbon, I'm planning on a bottle of Diesel Suppliment to squester water 
and anti-gel.


 So one last run to Wal-Mart tonight for the 15w50 and Diesel Suppliment.

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:08:37 -0500
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On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 07:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:


But absolutely useless if you can't get the blasted stuff!
  I've now been to 3 Wal-Marts and 6 auto parts stores and none had
any or could/would order any.

  I can easily get 15w50 and since Johnny B says his car starts good
below zero with it, and since I doubt we'll get much below zero again
this year AND because at 15F this morning with dino 15w40 in it my
190D started just fine I'll be going with the 15w50.

  -Curt



Do it.

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300SD Odometer Repair

[Luther Gulseth]

No, the 126 odometer is electrically controlled (pulse modulated) and the 123 
is manually controlled by a drive cable.

~
~Can the 126 odo be retrofitted to the 123?
~
~Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The 126 odometer is different than 
~the 123 and there is no glue needed, just replacement gears at $60-75.
~
~~



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'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

Re: [MBZ] 1985 300SD Odometer Repair

[B Dike]

Can the 126 odo be retrofitted to the 123?

Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The 126 odometer is different than 
the 123 and there is no glue needed, just replacement gears at $60-75.

~
~George,
~ 
~ The odometer can be fixed with super glue. First push out the instrument 
~cluster by reaching up behind the dash. Remove the speedometer/odometer unit 
~from the cluster. You will find that the gray metal toothed gear is slipping 
~on the odometer shaft. To repair, warm the odometer under a lamp and using a 
~very thin xacto blade or similar tool, carefully apply a couple small drops 
~of liquid (not gel) superglue on the shaft precisely where it meets the 
~gear. It's a tight fit but it can be done. Let cool and harden. Keep the 
~gear moving a tiny bit if it wants to adhere to the housing. Reassemble 
~cluster and install. I have performed this procedure on a couple of my cars 
~and it has worked perfectly in both cases without any problems.
~ 
~ Good Luck,
~ 
~ Bruce
~
~George Larribeau wrote:My odometer has stopped in my 85 
~300SD. Yes the speedometer still works. It happened after I reset the trip 
~OD. Multiple trip OD resets have not cleared it. I want to remove the spedo 
~and have it repaired (there is a local; shop that has worked on various MC 
~spedo's for me that seems to be competent. I have been reading the PDF (from 
~the indiees) numbered 54-250 R and R instrument cluster. Some of the 
~instructions are a little sparse, like steering wheel . remove, reinstall. 
~And the use of Extractor hook PN 126 589 03 33 00. Is an extractor hook 
~something I can make / improvise. Do I need to remove the steering wheel? If 
~so what is the best way to go about it.
~
~
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~Dallas, TX
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 3, Issue 73

[Curt Raymond]

Followup report, 10F this morning. I glowed the 190D twice because thats what 
the 240D would have required. I needn't have bothered it fired right up without 
a worry. Thats with dino oil no less.
   
  Its funny with as badly boogered as the rest of the car is the engine seems 
pretty solid.
   
  Question: my car has significant hesitation around 3000-3500rpm until its run 
for 5-10 miles. I think there may be some gelled fuel or water left in the 
system as after the 5-10 miles have passed it runs perfectly. I *think* the 
190D has a system to warm fuel in the lines is that right? I ran a bottle of 
Diesel Kleen through the system to help blow out the carbon, I'm planning on a 
bottle of Diesel Suppliment to squester water and anti-gel. 
   
  So one last run to Wal-Mart tonight for the 15w50 and Diesel Suppliment.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:08:37 -0500
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On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 07:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> But absolutely useless if you can't get the blasted stuff!
>   I've now been to 3 Wal-Marts and 6 auto parts stores and none had 
> any or could/would order any.
>
>   I can easily get 15w50 and since Johnny B says his car starts good 
> below zero with it, and since I doubt we'll get much below zero again 
> this year AND because at 15F this morning with dino 15w40 in it my 
> 190D started just fine I'll be going with the 15w50.
>
>   -Curt
>

 Do it.
 
Johnny B.
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On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 02:48 PM, Dave Wakin wrote:

> Hard to remember who's cheap diesel these posts are for - Luther has 
> an 83
> 240D, paid $150, wants to use ATF instead of diesel, and has a date 
> tonight.
>
> Kevin has a 74 (73) 220D, paid $100, and we don't know what he is doing
> tonight.
>
> Is this right?
>
> Dave W
>

Kevin is going over to Luther's to fix his car for him and get this 
over with.

Thanks Kevin.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Luther Gulseth]

Mine's a '82 300D, see the signature line.

~
~Hard to remember who's cheap diesel these posts are for - Luther has an 83 
~240D, paid $150, wants to use ATF instead of diesel, and has a date tonight.
~
~Kevin has a 74 (73) 220D, paid $100, and we don't know what he is doing 
~tonight.
~
~Is this right?
~
~Dave W
~
~
~
~



-- 
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[LT Don]

And I paid $50 for my VW diesel and will probably curl up with a good book
tonight, unless my parts from Rusty arrive today, in which case I will be
installing a new brake master cylinder.

On 2/10/06, Dave Wakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hard to remember who's cheap diesel these posts are for - Luther has an 83
> 240D, paid $150, wants to use ATF instead of diesel, and has a date
> tonight.
>
> Kevin has a 74 (73) 220D, paid $100, and we don't know what he is doing
> tonight.
>
> Is this right?
>
> Dave W
>
>
>


--
1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[David Brodbeck]

Luther Gulseth wrote:

I thought so, all I saw last night was oozing from the lines.



The injection pump is a positive-displacement pump.  That means it 
pushes out a fixed amount of fuel, and the pressure will build to 
whatever it needs to to allow that amount to flow.


The upshot is you only actually see 1800 psi if there's an injector on 
the other end of the line.  If the line is open the pressure will be 
essentially 0 and the fuel will just trickle out.

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Dave Wakin]

Hard to remember who's cheap diesel these posts are for - Luther has an 83 
240D, paid $150, wants to use ATF instead of diesel, and has a date tonight.


Kevin has a 74 (73) 220D, paid $100, and we don't know what he is doing 
tonight.


Is this right?

Dave W




- Original Message - 
From: "Trampas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update



Luther,

If the brakes don't work fix them first or at least make sure the E-brake
works. Then two start it.

Trampas

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

It's thicker than diesel and won't wash the walls of each cylinder like
diesel can.

I can see that I'm just gonna have to find a hill to use as brakes and 
pull

start the dang thing.  I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight and
have to work tomorrow.

Luther

~
~Luther Gulseth wrote:
~> For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved.  The car
has
~sat around for about 10 years.
~
~I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though.  Why not just put
~straight diesel in the spin-on filter?
~
~-- 
~John L. Ervine

~1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
~1980 300TD 175+kmi
~1980 300SD 277+kmi
~1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
~1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
~



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'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

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Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Luther Gulseth]

I can be such an ID10T sometimes, I'd done forgotten about the E-brake.

~
~Luther,
~
~If the brakes don't work fix them first or at least make sure the E-brake
~works. Then two start it. 
~
~Trampas
~



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'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

Re: [MBZ] Four barrel enthusiast

[David Brodbeck]

Peter Frederick wrote:
CIS injection (more effective mixture control than D-Jet) is good for 
at least 10% more hp and 15% better fuel milage on the same engine as a 
carb.  Unless you have a fairly esoteric manifold system (hard to put 
under a hood), carbs provide pretty poor atomization, and suffer badly 
from lousy fuel distribution at low throttle openings.  Even D-jet 
turned the type 11 and type III VWs into very reliable, efficient cars 
from cranky trouble causers -- it was almost impossible to keep the 
twin carbs balanced on that flat four.
  


My personal experience with open-loop fuel injection (systems without a 
lambda sensor, like early CIS, D-Jet, and early L-Jet) is that it runs 
better than a carb, but gives about the same fuel economy.  Once you add 
a lambda sensor the fuel economy benefits start to show up.

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 02:03 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:

For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved.  The car 
has sat around for about 10 years.




Where'd you get the idea from?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Question about rough idle on start up

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 02:33 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:



??  Why should I need to sign my questions?  After all, I have an 
egocentric

email address.



	Because it is polite and Marshall gets warm and fuzzy all over when 
you do.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver

[David Brodbeck]

Brian Chase wrote:
You know, I gotta say that I have long wondered if I should be using 
one of these oil additives. They sound so great. (Like ProLong, Slick 
50, and the like. There's one that I'm forgetting, the infomercial for 
which I just love - has me convinced ever time). I just wish I could 
try them out on someone else's vehicle. Seems like there has to be a 
catch. Sort of like switching to Mobil 1. It's like, if it was so 
beneficial, why isn't everyone doing it?


Most oil additives are snake oil.  Stay away from anything that claims 
to contain Teflon or PTFE.  (Slick 50, etc.)  Think about it -- do you 
really want to add solid particles to your oil?  The best that could 
happen is they'd all end up in the oil filter and the bottom of the pan.


The tapping noises in the CRV could be piston slap -- very common in 
Hondas.  If it's a sort of hollow knocking, loudest with the engine 
cold, then that's probably what it is.  Piston slap usually gets louder 
at low RPM under load, and fades out at high RPM.  It's caused by 
excessive piston skirt clearance, and no additive is going to stop it.  
(But the engine will still run a long time with that condition.)


If it's a lighter "tappita tappita" sound, you may need a valve 
adjustment.  Most Hondas have solid lifters.  The valve adjustment spec 
was originally every 15,000 miles, but that was amended to only when 
noisy some time in the '90s.  If you own a set of feeler gauges it's 
actually a pretty easy job -- very similar to a valve adjustment on an 
aircooled VW, except there are more valves and you don't have to lie on 
the ground to get to them. ;)

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Trampas]

Luther,

If the brakes don't work fix them first or at least make sure the E-brake
works. Then two start it. 

Trampas

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

It's thicker than diesel and won't wash the walls of each cylinder like
diesel can.  

I can see that I'm just gonna have to find a hill to use as brakes and pull
start the dang thing.  I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight and
have to work tomorrow.

Luther

~
~Luther Gulseth wrote:
~> For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved.  The car
has 
~sat around for about 10 years.
~
~I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though.  Why not just put 
~straight diesel in the spin-on filter?
~
~-- 
~John L. Ervine
~1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
~1980 300TD 175+kmi
~1980 300SD 277+kmi
~1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
~1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
~



-- 
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

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Re: [MBZ] letter designations

[Sunil Hari]

I think you'd get away with calling it an E-class if it's a 300D (preferably
turbo) loaded with options - electric sliding roof, power windows and locks,
ACC, and preferably leather.  My 123 had all those things (-leather) and I
called it the 1984 E-class.

If it's a 240D with manual everything, it's the baby Benz of its day.

On 2/10/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hendrik Riessen wrote:
> > Will I get away with saying to people that I drive a Mercedes Benz E
> class
> > when referring to the 123? Oooh the snobbery.
> >
>
> When I had a diesel Vanagon camper, I used to jokingly call it a "13
> foot diesel pusher." You probably have to be an RVer to get that one,
> though.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Question about rough idle on start up

[andrew strasfogel]

??  Why should I need to sign my questions?  After all, I have an egocentric
email address.



On 2/10/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 12:14 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
> > Can a bad injector also cause extremely low idle speed (500 rpm) and
> > stalling at startup?  With a warm engine idle is a normal 650 rpm (1983
> > 300TD)
> >
>
>  Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
>
>
> Johnny B.
> I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Trampas]

Tow start it! 

Trampas

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

I don't want you to do it for me.  I would like to learn on my own.  I paid
good money for this car ($150) with a nearly perfect interior and not a
touch of rust on the paint.  It only has 75kmi on the ticker.  The salvage
yard I got it from said it had a hole in the block.  I have yet to find one.


Luther

~
~
~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 01:46 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:
~
~> Maybe he wants to grease up the cylinders a little.  And if its an old
~> diesel, how much harm can that really do?
~>
~
~   He'll be getting straight ATF to the injectors. Not quite sure he 
~understands what and why he's doing some of this stuff. Probably 
~because someone told him to.
~   Luther bring it over to me and I'll either have it running for you, 
~diagnose your problem or condemn it.
~
~Johnny B.
~I Mac Therefore I am



-- 
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

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Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[LT Don]

Huh? Did I miss the memo on this?

On 2/10/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight
>
> Luther
>
>


--
1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Luther Gulseth]

It's thicker than diesel and won't wash the walls of each cylinder like diesel 
can.  

I can see that I'm just gonna have to find a hill to use as brakes and pull 
start the dang thing.  I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight and have 
to work tomorrow.

Luther

~
~Luther Gulseth wrote:
~> For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved.  The car has 
~sat around for about 10 years.
~
~I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though.  Why not just put 
~straight diesel in the spin-on filter?
~
~-- 
~John L. Ervine
~1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
~1980 300TD 175+kmi
~1980 300SD 277+kmi
~1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
~1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
~



-- 
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

Re: [MBZ] letter designations

[David Brodbeck]

Hendrik Riessen wrote:
Will I get away with saying to people that I drive a Mercedes Benz E class 
when referring to the 123? Oooh the snobbery.
  


When I had a diesel Vanagon camper, I used to jokingly call it a "13 
foot diesel pusher." You probably have to be an RVer to get that one, 
though.

Re: [MBZ] letter designations

[David Brodbeck]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
  

Einspritzer.  "i" on BMWs meant the same thing once upon a time.  I think
I've seen old Italian cars (Alfas, maybe?) with an "Inietzione" badge.
Funny to think of fuel injection being an exotic, high-performance feature
worthy of special designation when there are few (maybe no?) cars being sold
with carburetors anymore!



The "Si" on the Honda Civic Si originally stood for "sequential 
injection" (as opposed to a carburator or a batch-fire system.)  The 
designation continues even though *all* Hondas now have sequential 
injection.

Re: [MBZ] passing Landwind

[David Brodbeck]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

To me it's the answer to people who repeat the canard that China will
control the world economically in our lifetimes!  A command economy driven
by stamping out crude potmetal copies of Western technology is a joke, not a
threat.


The thing is, the first Japanese cars were jokes.  Everyone laughed 
pretty hard at the Toyopet.  And then...


The first Korean cars were jokes, too.  Now they're pretty decent 
transportation for the price.


I think in ten years the Chinese are going to be doing to the Koreans 
what the Koreans are doing to the Japanese right now.  China has the 
vestiges of a command economy now, but capitalism is rapidly taking over 
there.  I would be surprised if Chinese cars haven't taken over the low 
end of the market in a decade.

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:10:58 -0500 John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Luther Gulseth wrote:
> > For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved.  The car
> > has sat around for about 10 years.
> 
> I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though.  Why not just put
> straight diesel in the spin-on filter?

Or, better yet, Lubro-Moly Diesel Purge.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Luther Gulseth]

I don't want you to do it for me.  I would like to learn on my own.  I paid 
good money for this car ($150) with a nearly perfect interior and not a touch 
of rust on the paint.  It only has 75kmi on the ticker.  The salvage yard I got 
it from said it had a hole in the block.  I have yet to find one.


Luther

~
~
~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 01:46 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:
~
~> Maybe he wants to grease up the cylinders a little.  And if its an old
~> diesel, how much harm can that really do?
~>
~
~   He'll be getting straight ATF to the injectors. Not quite sure he 
~understands what and why he's doing some of this stuff. Probably 
~because someone told him to.
~   Luther bring it over to me and I'll either have it running for you, 
~diagnose your problem or condemn it.
~
~Johnny B.
~I Mac Therefore I am



-- 
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

Re: [MBZ] Question about rough idle on start up

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 12:14 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


Can a bad injector also cause extremely low idle speed (500 rpm) and
stalling at startup?  With a warm engine idle is a normal 650 rpm (1983
300TD)



  Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[John Ervine]

Luther Gulseth wrote:

For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved.  The car has sat 
around for about 10 years.


I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though.  Why not just put 
straight diesel in the spin-on filter?


--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[John Ervine]

Luther Gulseth wrote:

I have a diesel compression checker in my posession.  What values should I see 
on a cold engine that's not been used for around 10 years?


Mercedes has no specs for cold compression checks.  They can be useful for 
diagnosing problems, but there are no hard and fast rules for what to look for.


--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Luther Gulseth]

I have a diesel compression checker in my posession.  What values should I see 
on a cold engine that's not been used for around 10 years?

~
~
~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:
~
~> Should I try 2 batteries in series?  Will that hurt the glow plugs?
~>
~
~   I don't see how it would hurt the GPs and the starter will probably 
~love it but consider isolating the rest of your electrical system lest 
~you fry expensive electronics. Try blowing some air into the vacuum 
~shut-off box at a low pressure.
~   Have you run a compression test yet?
~
~Johnny B.
~I Mac Therefore I am



-- 
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Luther Gulseth]

For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved.  The car has sat 
around for about 10 years.

~
~
~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:
~
~> I'll replace both fuel filters and fill the spin-on with ATF.
~>
~
~   Why ATF?
~
~Johnny B.
~I Mac Therefore I am




-- 
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 01:46 PM, Sunil Hari wrote:


Maybe he wants to grease up the cylinders a little.  And if its an old
diesel, how much harm can that really do?



	He'll be getting straight ATF to the injectors. Not quite sure he 
understands what and why he's doing some of this stuff. Probably 
because someone told him to.
	Luther bring it over to me and I'll either have it running for you, 
diagnose your problem or condemn it.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:


Should I try 2 batteries in series?  Will that hurt the glow plugs?



	I don't see how it would hurt the GPs and the starter will probably 
love it but consider isolating the rest of your electrical system lest 
you fry expensive electronics. Try blowing some air into the vacuum 
shut-off box at a low pressure.

Have you run a compression test yet?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Sunil Hari]

Maybe he wants to grease up the cylinders a little.  And if its an old
diesel, how much harm can that really do?

On 2/10/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:
>
> > I'll replace both fuel filters and fill the spin-on with ATF.
> >
>
> Why ATF?
>
> Johnny B.
> I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:


I'll replace both fuel filters and fill the spin-on with ATF.



Why ATF?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 09:35 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:



I thought so, all I saw last night was oozing from the lines.  Maybe 
this car has an injection problem, and that's why it seems to fire 
only once every few seconds when it's trying to start.




	If you're referring to the return lines they have little pressure. The 
steel lines to the injectors are high pressure. Picking up cylinders 
one at a time is normal in cold starts or after running out of fuel.

Have you ever read the cold start procedure in your Owner's Manual?

 What's the best way to check the injection pump?

	With an injector pump tester. Actually that is best left to those in 
the know.




Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Luther Gulseth]

Sure, much easier to tow start if you have a tow dolly or known good 
brakes..

~
~When I put 24V on the starter what I do is disconnect the starter pos
~battery terminal from rest of system. Then place second battery between
~original and starter cable. Thus the main electrical system, glow plugs etc
~are still 12V and the starter is the only 24V thing. 
~
~Again it is much much easier to tow start. 
~
~Trampas
~
~-Original Message-
~From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~On Behalf Of Marshall Booth
~Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:32 PM
~To: Mercedes Discussion List
~Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update
~
~Luther Gulseth wrote:
~> Should I try 2 batteries in series?  Will that hurt the glow plugs?
~> 
~
~Two batteries in series MIGHT easily burn up a few glow plugs or at 
~least fry the glow plug fuse, but I've never tried it.
~
~Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Trampas]

When I put 24V on the starter what I do is disconnect the starter pos
battery terminal from rest of system. Then place second battery between
original and starter cable. Thus the main electrical system, glow plugs etc
are still 12V and the starter is the only 24V thing. 

Again it is much much easier to tow start. 

Trampas

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Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

Luther Gulseth wrote:
> Should I try 2 batteries in series?  Will that hurt the glow plugs?
> 

Two batteries in series MIGHT easily burn up a few glow plugs or at 
least fry the glow plug fuse, but I've never tried it.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Well the POOS 250 LWB is gone

[V Layton]

Bummer.

Vince



From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Banned List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mercedes mailing list 
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Subject: [MBZ] Well the POOS 250 LWB is gone
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:09:04 -0600

Took a ride over to Shuler autohaus today in Fayetteville because after
seeing the LWB on ebay they were highly interested.  Just stuck it on
ebay to see what it would do, was not really trying to sell it.  So at
first I was looking at a 87 300SDL to take in on partial trade for it
but it reminded me too much of the famous POS SDL.  Same color and
everything.  Ran great and drove great though.  Just the body was too
beat up and the paint was crap.  He also had a 91 350SD over there.  I
as scared of the engine.  Really scared because it had a bad head and
they replaced it with a rebuilt #14.  Seems to be a recipe for disaster.
  Ended up getting all my cash back I had into the thing PLUS a 91
420SEL.  Was not really in the market for a 420SEL but it seemed more
pratical of a vehicle to have around than the LWB.  Its a really nice
car, interior is perfect.  Just has 1 small spot of fading on the roof.
  Needs shocks but other than that, runs great.  Not as powerful as a
560 or course but plenty powerful enough.  Im sure I will miss the LWB
but I never really drove it much, it just sat around.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D for sale in Missouri

[V Layton]

Where in MO?  I may have a prospect or two...

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Vince



From: "Brian Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [MBZ] 240D for sale in Missouri
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:05:16 -0600

I have reluctantly decided it is time for my 'ol faithful 82 240D to go to 
a new home.  If anyone is interested contact me privately on email for 
details or to make offer.
If I can't sell it to someone on the list it will go as a trade, and who 
knows who will end up trashing it from there!

Brian
'82 240D
189,XXX  With working A/C!
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Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[V Layton]

Sure, for a price.  Get all the body and interior you can, and don't worry 
too much about the mechanical, all can be serviced.  Good Luck


Vince



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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 d
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:33:27 EST

Hey  everyone , you'll quickly realize what a neophyte i am ( Naive ?  ) 
but

here it goes i have always wanted a MBZ 240 D , in a 123 body style and it
looks like this might be the year to find one ! i have'nt got a clue of 
what i
should be looking for , i know what i want a 82 -83 240 D in yellow w/ 
sunroof

 and complimentary interior in pristine condition with as low a miles as
possibly  , is this doable ? any help on what i should be boning up on ? re 
books

,  manuals , tech notes ? and what tell tale signs on the actual vehicle i
should  look for any and all information welcomed Thanx . Joe Gomez  . 
Boise

Idaho
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Re: [MBZ] Question about rough idle on start up

[Marshall Booth]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Marshall,

Can a bad injector also cause extremely low idle speed (500 rpm) and
stalling at startup?  With a warm engine idle is a normal 650 rpm (1983
300TD)


Well, if each injector/cylinder supply 1/5th of the power to turn the 
engine, you might expect the speed to drop by 20% or a bit more if one 
didn't inject ANYTHING or didn't inject what it was supposed to, when it 
was supposed to, as it was supposed to. Proper idle speed when warm 
should be 750 rpm - NOT 650! It WILL be a little slower when cold!


Many older engines need to be set to 800+ rpm to prevent stalling when 
cold. I don't know how much of the problem relates to the condition of 
the injectors, to the condition of the injection pump or the condition 
of the timing chain (and thus pump AND valve timing).


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Marshall Booth]

Luther Gulseth wrote:

Should I try 2 batteries in series?  Will that hurt the glow plugs?



Two batteries in series MIGHT easily burn up a few glow plugs or at 
least fry the glow plug fuse, but I've never tried it.


Marshall
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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] Crazy price for Aussie muscle car

[andrew strasfogel]

I drove a RHD Holden in Fiji back in 1970.  Most of them had the column
stick manual transmission that you shifted with your LEFT hand.  Nice cars
with engines that hummed like sewing machines.

On 2/10/06, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 2/10/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Quick update, apparently the price has gone down again to AU$160,000.
> > Someone must have been playing silly buggers.
> > There was a canceled bid of AU$8mill
> >
> > Hendrik
>
> A$8 Million Dollars? That's like $5 in real money, right?
>
>
> Sorry, couldn't resist :)
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Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Marshall Booth]

Luther Gulseth wrote:

How far should the IP squirt fuel out of a cracked injector line?


The quantity of fuel ejected from the injection line with each cycle of 
the injection pump is TINY. If you agree that the engine consumes maybe 
a liter an hour at idle. In an hour there are maybe 72,000 injection 
pulses from a 240D idling at 600 rpm. That's 1000 ml/72,000 pulses or 
about 0.01 ml with each injection pulse. Even if you double or treble 
that amount, that's a TINY amount of fuel.


Marshall
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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] Four barrel enthusiast

[andrew strasfogel]

Yeah, and my CIS 450 SLC got 12-15 mpg tops!

On 2/9/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> One would think so, but why did I get in the 20's mpg in the 283
> (4640cc) '58 chevy with a four barrel, and only 15 mpg in the CIS
> 450SLC (275ci)? Emission controls?
>
> Yes - the type III 2.0L VW bus I had was far more reliable than the
> 1.2L with the single Solex even.
>
> I did love to tune 2 and 3 carb SU setups though -- had the "touch"
> back then ---
>
> On 2/9/06, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > CIS injection (more effective mixture control than D-Jet) is good for
> > at least 10% more hp and 15% better fuel milage on the same engine as a
> > carb.  Unless you have a fairly esoteric manifold system (hard to put
> > under a hood), carbs provide pretty poor atomization, and suffer badly
> > from lousy fuel distribution at low throttle openings.  Even D-jet
> > turned the type 11 and type III VWs into very reliable, efficient cars
> > from cranky trouble causers -- it was almost impossible to keep the
> > twin carbs balanced on that flat four.
> >
> > Peter
>
>
>
> --
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> Norman, OK
> '90 300D 243K, Rattled
> '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
> '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
> '78 450SLC 67K, brown car
> '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
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Re: [MBZ] Driver door groans upon opening

[andrew strasfogel]

Replacing the door check is a very satisfying DIY job!  The part is cheap,
it's easy without being actually trivially so, and results in instant
gratification if you don't f**k it up!!

On 2/9/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Marshall in Feenix - the Mercedes door stop straps typically use a pair of
> strong spring loaded steel balls, riding in a groove inside the
> door.  These
> must be lubricated once in a while, or they will rust, disintegrate, etc.
> When they go bad, it requires you to remove the door panel and replace the
> parts inside the door.  BTDT!
> Werner
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marshall Field" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:44 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Driver door groans upon opening
>
>
> > On my '81 300TD, the driver door groans every time you open it.   The
> > groaning begins upon opening, continues for 45 degrees of arc, then
> quits.
> >
> > There is no play in the hinges according to the yank and heave test
> > method.   I have greased and re-greased the hinges over and over.  I
> have
> > soaked everything I can see with lots of Kroil Grease easily flows from
> > the
> > hinge parting lines.
> >
> > This is driving me nutz.  Help!
> >
> > Marshall in Feenix
>
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Re: [MBZ] Question about rough idle on start up

[andrew strasfogel]

Marshall,

Can a bad injector also cause extremely low idle speed (500 rpm) and
stalling at startup?  With a warm engine idle is a normal 650 rpm (1983
300TD)


On 2/9/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Robert Massmann wrote:
> > I have an 87 190D 2.5 turbo with about 245K mile.  Just recently the
> idle
> > has been quite rough just after starting the car. Exhaust is very smokey
> on
> > start up also, but goes away when the engine idle smooths out. But once
> > warmed up the engine idles just fine.  I haven't had time to check the
> glow
> > plugs yet, but they will be the first thing I check this weekend. Is
> there
> > anything else that I should look for.  Fuel milage hasn't change, still
> > getting about 34-35 miles per gallon.
>
> Check the tach. What speed is the engine idling at at cold startup?
> Could be bad overvoltage relay or bad engine signal to the EDS or if the
> tach is working, a bad electric idle actuator or connection to it. A bad
> injector or two can do that as can ONE bad glow plug (it may take two
> before the glow plug light fails to illuminate).
>
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 10:23 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:


 I could not disagree more.


	Report back after a few years and many thousand more miles. One car 
one ride is not scientific enough.


Here are a couple of examples:

	 I had a 54 Pontiac that used 23 qts of oil in 380 miles. It sat for 
an eternity before I got it. It smoked bad. In time the oil consumption 
went down to a quart in 1200 miles. All I did was drive it. Within the 
first 2 weeks it all but stopped smoking, just a slight haze. I'd say 
it had stuck rings.
	Similar experience with a 86 chevy van that had rust in the cylinders. 
Just enough to keep it from turning over. Soaked with Marvel turned it 
back and forth a little more every day. Started it and watched the oil 
mileage improve. It went another 95,000 miles before I sold it. It 
would need one qt between 4,000 mile oil changes.


	Even if this product softens seals it can't reduce valve to guide or 
piston to wall clearances, can't de-glaze cylinder walls (BonAmi can).

Lubro Moly does make good products though.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Luther Gulseth]

Should I try 2 batteries in series?  Will that hurt the glow plugs?

~
~I have seen more than one diesel sit and then not start. The only way to get
~them started was to pull start them or hook 24V to starter. The problem is
~the rings get stuck. Rings are funny things, the more compression on the
~engine the better they seal. Thus you have to raise compression to get free,
~the only good way is turn engine fast. 
~
~Trampas
~



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Trampas]

I have seen more than one diesel sit and then not start. The only way to get
them started was to pull start them or hook 24V to starter. The problem is
the rings get stuck. Rings are funny things, the more compression on the
engine the better they seal. Thus you have to raise compression to get free,
the only good way is turn engine fast. 

Trampas

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

'82 300D (Blue Bomber).  I poured some Marvel Mystery oil into each cylinder
last evening and then turned the engine over by hand.  Each cylinder shot
the oil out like a gyser.  I had the injector lines loose, I guess.  They
were finger tight, then loosened 1/4-1/2 turn.  I'll try "cracking" them
from tight.  Next time I try to start it, I'll replace both fuel filters and
fill the spin-on with ATF.

~
~If you see oozing, my guess is that the pump is ok.  if the caps are loose,

~you see fuel ooze.  if the caps are "cracked" just right, you will get high

~pressure spurts.  about 1/16 turn to 1/8 turn is cracking the line.
~
~it is more likely that you have low compression/stuck rings or bad glow 
~plugs/prechambers or a combination of all.
~it is also possible that the rack in the pump is stuck.  I have never 
~encountered this.  What year was this?  does it have the mechanical 
~governor?  I think all coupes would have the mechanical governor.  I am not

~sure when they changed over to the mechanical governor from the vacuum.  77

~78 may have vacuum.  I know some of the early 123s had the swing tube
intake.
~



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'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

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Re: [MBZ] Oil filter leak

[John Berryman]

On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 08:32 PM, Brian Chase wrote:

Good info. By gear wrench, you are referring to a ratchet, as in 
socket wrench? May sound like a simple question, but just making sure 
you aren't talking about a flat wrench (as in box end/open end) with a 
ratchet mechanism. By the sounds of it, the clearance in there is so 
little that a ratchet would have trouble fitting.


	Gear Wrench= brand name KD carries them too. They look like a 
combination wrench but the box end is not offset and it has a fine 
tooth ratchet built in. I bought a set for  $9.99 on sale a while back 
and it has wrenches, 1/4" and 3/8" sockets. They use adapters on the 
10mm and 13mm to drive sockets. Came with allen, torx, philips, square 
and flat screwdriver bits. A special adapter allows the 10mm to drive 
bits. Includes a nut driver extensions that are solid and wobble in one.
	Made in Taiwan, very good quality, versatility and unbelievable 
utility. I am a Snap-On man have been all my adult life but I find this 
set to come in quite handy and I often use parts of it in conjunction 
with other tools to get what I need out ofit.




Also, can you expand on the whole leaving one of the bolts for last 
thing? Is that just for purposes of alignment?


	One bolt cannot be fully withdrawn with housing in situ because it 
hits the steering gear-box. It won't go in unless you put it in the 
hole of the housing that it belongs in beforehand or pull the steering 
gear.




'preciate the details.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Luther Gulseth]

'82 300D (Blue Bomber).  I poured some Marvel Mystery oil into each cylinder 
last evening and then turned the engine over by hand.  Each cylinder shot the 
oil out like a gyser.  I had the injector lines loose, I guess.  They were 
finger tight, then loosened 1/4-1/2 turn.  I'll try "cracking" them from tight. 
 Next time I try to start it, I'll replace both fuel filters and fill the 
spin-on with ATF.

~
~If you see oozing, my guess is that the pump is ok.  if the caps are loose, 
~you see fuel ooze.  if the caps are "cracked" just right, you will get high 
~pressure spurts.  about 1/16 turn to 1/8 turn is cracking the line.
~
~it is more likely that you have low compression/stuck rings or bad glow 
~plugs/prechambers or a combination of all.
~it is also possible that the rack in the pump is stuck.  I have never 
~encountered this.  What year was this?  does it have the mechanical 
~governor?  I think all coupes would have the mechanical governor.  I am not 
~sure when they changed over to the mechanical governor from the vacuum.  77 
~78 may have vacuum.  I know some of the early 123s had the swing tube intake.
~



-- 
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

Re: [MBZ] letter designations

[Christopher McCann]

comes up SHORT - LOL - correction well taken - did not know that.
  
  Yes, my Walther PPK/S shoots 9mmKurz (aka .380 ACP vs 9mm  luger/parabellum) 
- which is interesting becuase there is apparently a  wide spread misconception 
that the K in PPK is Kurz, which makes sense  as it is smaller than the PP 
(Polizei Pistole), but it is actually  Kriminal, meaning, in some way, 
undercover. Frankly, I think K meaning  Kurz in the PPK context makes more 
sense and I often wonder if it is  not REALLY Kurz.
  
  Chris

Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  BZT!  Wrong!  Close, but comes up 
SHORT!

  SLK - sport leicht Kurz - with supercharger  Kurz = short  It carries an 
additional Kompressor tag on the 230 mit kompressorTHe SLK 320 has NO 
komprtessor
The same designation and distinction was used prewar as in the SS and the 
SSK  SS and SS short

You will also find the K for Kurz designation used for rifles and rifle 
shells make in Germany




At 08:24 AM 2/10/2006, you wrote:
>see, this is the problem with the new system - everything was clear in the 
>old...now the same letters mean something else.
>
>   M - something new - the SUV
>   G - leftover from the old system: Galendewagen (cross country vehicle)
>   R - also a leftover - Rennwagen (race car)
>   SL - old system - sport leicht - light sport - or what we would call a 
> sports car
>   SLK - sport leicht (mit) Kompressor - with supercharger
>   CLK - coupe leicht (mit) Kompressor
>
>   THAT ALL MAKES SENSE, Until A class, c class, e class, m class - I HATE it
>
>   SD - yes, it was what they call "S-CLASS" (tip of the evil 
> system  iceberg) - butit meands "sport deisel" sport in German is not 
> sport in  US - more like touring. as compared to 240D which is for 
> putzing and  taxi service (nor harm, meant, I have one and love it).
>
>   Chris
>
>
>
>Alex Chamberlain  wrote:  >
> > I need new sources then, I've always thought the classes went like this:
> >
> > "A"lmost Rich
> > "C"omfortably Rich
> > "E"xtremely Rich
> > "S"tinking Rich
> >
>
>But where do "M", "G", and now "R" fit into that?  Not to mention "SL",
>"SLK", and "CLK"?  I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for the explanation...
>;)
>
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug question for the experts

[John Berryman]

On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 08:27 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:

Bosch 0 250 201 001 is what fits in most of the diesels with  small 
pencil
type glow plugs.  It has a 5 digit application number of 80006.  Bosch 
0
250 201 039 also carries the 80006 designation.  Can anyone tell me 
what is

the difference, if any?

TIA

Loren



A good guess, one is for the system with afterglow. Just a guess.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Loren Faeth]

If you see oozing, my guess is that the pump is ok.  if the caps are loose, 
you see fuel ooze.  if the caps are "cracked" just right, you will get high 
pressure spurts.  about 1/16 turn to 1/8 turn is cracking the line.


it is more likely that you have low compression/stuck rings or bad glow 
plugs/prechambers or a combination of all.
it is also possible that the rack in the pump is stuck.  I have never 
encountered this.  What year was this?  does it have the mechanical 
governor?  I think all coupes would have the mechanical governor.  I am not 
sure when they changed over to the mechanical governor from the vacuum.  77 
78 may have vacuum.  I know some of the early 123s had the swing tube intake.


At 09:28 AM 2/10/2006, you wrote:
I'm pretty sure the pump has prime.  Each time I've tried to start it, I 
pull the fuel lines and run them from a bottle of fresh diesel (just like 
running a purge).  I pump the primer pump until strong shots of diesel 
shoot out of the return line.  I had the injectors out this weekend and 
reinstalled them last night.  I reinstalled everything, and left the 
injector lines loose at the injectors until I could see fuel 
oozing.  Maybe I didn't get enough fuel into the lines?


~
~The problem could be the injection pump lost it's prime. Here is a great
~trick to gain prime if you don't like the hand pump...
~
~Remove the return fuel line. Place air hose in fill neck for fuel, seal with
~rag and watch fuel come out of return line. When fuel flows good, system is
~primed. Works great on diesels with out hand pumps! I got a diesel Topaz
~once because it would not run after owner ran out of fuel, rag and air hose
~fixed it.
~
~After system has good prime, try tow starting. If will not start check
~compression and injectors and injection pump.
~
~Trampas
~



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Re: [MBZ] 4 QTS!? Was New Lubro Moly product

[Gary Hurst]

you remember why i stopped the autotrader stuff?  they accused me of
spamming the list!

i'm amazed at how succesfull those maniacs have been


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> maybe we should come full circle and I should kick you off this list for
> bringing up such a controversial topic.  Naw, it wouldnt be the same
> without you.  Now you just need to start posting the autotrader listings
> agian.
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> > MB straight sixes throughout history have been known to burn oil at an
> > alarming rate
> >
> > for those of you who know your ancient history, it is making that exact
> > point that got me kicked out by ritter/easley.  this present list is a
> > direct consequence of that event.
> >
> > so, you see, oil consumption of the M130 is what brought us together
> here
> >
> > so buy some german STP from rusty already
> >
> > On 2/9/06, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>I keep thinking it must be a chevy or one of those 3.0L Dodge caravans.
> >>
> >>Trampas
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

[Luther Gulseth]

I'm pretty sure the pump has prime.  Each time I've tried to start it, I pull 
the fuel lines and run them from a bottle of fresh diesel (just like running a 
purge).  I pump the primer pump until strong shots of diesel shoot out of the 
return line.  I had the injectors out this weekend and reinstalled them last 
night.  I reinstalled everything, and left the injector lines loose at the 
injectors until I could see fuel oozing.  Maybe I didn't get enough fuel into 
the lines?

~
~The problem could be the injection pump lost it's prime. Here is a great
~trick to gain prime if you don't like the hand pump... 
~
~Remove the return fuel line. Place air hose in fill neck for fuel, seal with
~rag and watch fuel come out of return line. When fuel flows good, system is
~primed. Works great on diesels with out hand pumps! I got a diesel Topaz
~once because it would not run after owner ran out of fuel, rag and air hose
~fixed it. 
~
~After system has good prime, try tow starting. If will not start check
~compression and injectors and injection pump. 
~
~Trampas
~



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Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver

[Rusty Cullens]

 I could not disagree more.



Here's a good rule of thumb concerning oil additives:

 Don't pour anything but motor oil into your crankcase.

Excessive oil consumption (not leaking) indicates the need for
engine 
work. Nothing that comes in a can or bottle will restore your internal 
engine components to acceptable tolerances. Many products do more harm 
than good. Risolene removes the paint from Nissan 280 ZX oil pans and 
deposits it on the oil pump screen where it resembles ZZ Top style 
beard for example.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] Oil, oil, which oil!?

[John Berryman]

On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 08:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have never seen a suburban with 4:10 gears.  That is usually for 1 
ton

trucks.  Even with the taller gears you are not going to be able to
safely pull 10K lbs with a burb.  I would check the codes and see if
that rear end is factory or if somebody changed it before you.  I would
change to a more factory set, something like 3.73 I think, even less
probably.  Not sure offhand what most of them came with.  I would check
out gm-diesel.net for more info.





	Cars/trucks with overdrive require gear ratios in the 4.10 range. 
Gives the pulling power required and economy when cruising at higher 
speeds.



Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver

[John Berryman]

On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 07:56 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:



Lubro-Moly has a website, the Motor Oil Saver seems alot like Auto Rx 
to me. I'm considering one or the other come springtime in the 190D 
(and the 240D for that matter but that won't be my car by then) if 
nothing else for a psychological effect.




Here's a good rule of thumb concerning oil additives:

 Don't pour anything but motor oil into your crankcase.

	Excessive oil consumption (not leaking) indicates the need for engine 
work. Nothing that comes in a can or bottle will restore your internal 
engine components to acceptable tolerances. Many products do more harm 
than good. Risolene removes the paint from Nissan 280 ZX oil pans and 
deposits it on the oil pump screen where it resembles ZZ Top style 
beard for example.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] New Lubro Moly product

[Curt Raymond]

Even more like autorx. In this case I suspect your oil consumption went down 
because of the rise in viscosity...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:46:23 -0500
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It won't shake, it's thicker than anything I've ever seen.



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On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 07:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> But absolutely useless if you can't get the blasted stuff!
>   I've now been to 3 Wal-Marts and 6 auto parts stores and none had 
> any or could/would order any.
>
>   I can easily get 15w50 and since Johnny B says his car starts good 
> below zero with it, and since I doubt we'll get much below zero again 
> this year AND because at 15F this morning with dino 15w40 in it my 
> 190D started just fine I'll be going with the 15w50.
>
>   -Curt
>

Do it.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver

[Curt Raymond]

Yeah I probably shouldn't write that sort of thing first thing in the morning. 
I went to 2 Wal-Marts yesterday looking for Mobil 1, it had an effect on me...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:46:55 -0500 (EST)
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Brother, YOU are on a ROLL this morning!

...Kevin



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The problem could be the injection pump lost it's prime. Here is a great
trick to gain prime if you don't like the hand pump... 

Remove the return fuel line. Place air hose in fill neck for fuel, seal with
rag and watch fuel come out of return line. When fuel flows good, system is
primed. Works great on diesels with out hand pumps! I got a diesel Topaz
once because it would not run after owner ran out of fuel, rag and air hose
fixed it. 

After system has good prime, try tow starting. If will not start check
compression and injectors and injection pump. 

Trampas

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update

I thought so, all I saw last night was oozing from the lines.  Maybe this
car has an injection problem, and that's why it seems to fire only once
every few seconds when it's trying to start.  What's the best way to check
the injection pump?

~
~
~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 08:42 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:
~
~> How far should the IP squirt fuel out of a cracked injector line?
~>
~
~   It depends on the size of the hole. At over 1800psi it can really
get 
~some distance.
~
~Johnny B.
~I Mac Therefore I am



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Re: [MBZ] letter designations

[George Gregory]

POT-KETTLE-BLACK
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well M stands for moron, that much I know.

Re: [MBZ] Motor Oil Saver

[Rusty Cullens]

Yes, I have it in stock now.

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Rusty, are you gonna sell the stuff?

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:56:34 -0600, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:

> Lubro-Moly has a website, the Motor Oil Saver seems alot like Auto Rx
to  
> me. I'm considering one or the other come springtime in the 190D (and

> the 240D for that matter but that won't be my car by then) if nothing

> else for a psychological effect.
>  Anyway from their website:
> - reduces oil consumption via the piston rings and valve guides
> - prevents blue, smoky exhaust fumes
> - prevents leaks due to leaks at elastomeric seals
> - regenerates engine seals made of plastic and rubber - reduces engine

> noises
> - prevents pollution of the environment due to oil dripping from the  
> engine
>
> Puts an end to oil patches contaminating the environment both on the  
> road and in the garage. Oil Leak Stop regenerates rubber and plastic  
> engine seals and reduces oil consumption via the piston rings (due to

> constant visco-sity) and via valve guides (due to regenerated seals).

> Prevents blue smoke in the exhaust gases. Compensates for a drop in  
> viscosity and reduces engine noise.   Operational area: Suitable for
all  
> petrol and Diesel engines and compatible with all commercially
available  
> engine oils. 300 ml is sufficient for 3 -- 4 litres of engine oil.  
> Sealing first takes effect after about 600 -- 800 km.
>  -Curt
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