Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[Curt Raymond]

In MA (probably most of New England) the SUV crowd is usually the stupid 
wealthy, doesn't matter the politics.
Interestingly I find that lawyers rarely drive 'em. ALL the lawers I know (6 
right now, met another yesterday) drive Audi.
Most of the MALE IT people I know drive pickup trucks. One guy I work with has 
a Dodge 2500 v10. The bed is pristine, never hauled anything.
He tows a little boat with it, insists he NEEDS a truck.
Female IT people around here drive little, cars. Odd.

Somebody asked me one time why I didn't have a George W. sticker on my pickup 
as it was obviously a working truck. I thanked
him for comlimenting my truck and suggested since we were going to be such 
great friends we should never ever talk politics.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:41:38 -0700
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You need to get out of Seattle proper, in order to see the [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and
their stoopid SUVs w/W stickers.  They're everywhere in the 'burbs'.

On 8/28/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Now where are you seeing that?  Up in my neck of the woods, the 
'tards
> are driving humongo Ford or caddy things and support anybody but W.
> All sorts of bleeding heart save the gay legislator stickers and kill
> bush, missing idiot stuff
>
> Casey
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Check with http://www.silverstarrecycling.com - they have several W124s that 
might fit your needs -

Don't know anything about them except I get a newsletter & they've been 
advertising in the MB and Porsche club magazines for quite a while -

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> Leave it to the Aussies to hijack a perfectly good thread, and a language,
> for that matter!  ; )
>
> Hendrick, send us a movie of you riding your 'roo bareback while ropin
> wallabys with one hand and shootin dingos with the other!  Bet that would
> be entertaining!
>
> One good thing about Aussies, they can spin a yarn!
>
> On topic:  I think I am to the point where i just want the thing on the
> road.  One place quoted $2300 and $1000 core for a rebuilt trans!  I think
> I will buy the $450 used one and hope for the best, so I can get it
> running.  I am gonna call Sun valley before I decide for sure.  I cand 
> seem
> to find a $4-500 124 gasser heap to donate a transAnd K'leb seems to 
> be
> 124 averse, in terms of snappin up old 124s to provide us parts.
>
> Loren
> 240D needs a trans (81)
> 300T

Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?

[Kevin]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 05:44:08PM -0500, Peter Frederick wrote:
> You must also remove the sensor for the ABS from the diff, else you 
> pull the wires apart.

Heh. the 190D doesn't have abs ;)

> Some all-thread rod and some pipe fittings (large) will work for 
> removal/installation tools, I think -- I will be finding out in a few 
> weeks when I try mine!

Someone (Ritter?) had a post somewhere if you search for 126 subframe 
bushings that detailed making this tool. Sliding fluid or Syl-Glide from
NAPA will be your friend in this case.

K

Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?

[Peter Frederick]

You must also remove the sensor for the ABS from the diff, else you 
pull the wires apart.


I would definitely remove the subframe completely if replacing links, 
but there is plenty of room on the W124 for the bushing job in place.


Some all-thread rod and some pipe fittings (large) will work for 
removal/installation tools, I think -- I will be finding out in a few 
weeks when I try mine!


Peter

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[Curt Raymond]

The way to think about this on is if you were an average idiot which obviously 
you aren't because you're here, and you were
replacing old trusty, should you get another 19mpg (or really 12mpg behmoth 
SUV) or replace it with something more reasonable?

I'm not even suggesting people get something like a Civic, even a Lincoln 
Towncar can get low 20's...
Its everybody making a small change that makes a difference not a few people 
making a huge change.
Will people do it? Probably not, I know plenty of people that are convinced 
this is a temporary spike and the price of gas will come back down "any time 
now".

-Curt

Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:08:22 -0700
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Trampas wrote:
> Well I spend about $150-$170 a month on gas for my 420SEL which gets 
19MPG.
> So if I went out and purchased a new hybrid, or more likely a manual 
TDI,
> that doubled my mileage I would save at most $100 a month. But at 
$100 a
> month it would take me 15-20 years to pay for the car.

No argument.  But there's a price of gasoline at which hybrids start to
make sense.  We're not there yet, but it wouldn't surprise me if we got
there in another decade.  I think Honda and Toyota know this and 
they're
investing in getting real-world experience with the technology.  When 
we
reach a point where hybrids make sense, they'll be ahead.  In that
regard all those Insights and Priuses they're selling at a loss
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You can leave the heater box in the car, I believe, but the console has 
to come out, along with most of the dash.

Better than the evaporator, but only just.

Get in there and verify that it's not just the three o-rings gone on 
the manifold, that can be fixed without removing the core from the box.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Peter Frederick]

Time to check the valve guides -- likely they are VERY sloppy and it's 
gulping oil


Peter

Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

[John M McIntosh]

$16K or so I think is start, but people I know who have them after  
adding all the options drove the prices more to $24k.
The dealer tells me after the earlier adopters, the seniors, they are  
now selling lots to people who commute (say > 100 miles) a day
something about fuel costs, diesel here in western Canada btw is  
usualy 5-10% *cheaper* than regular gas.
Such commuters are saving about $500+ a month in fuel costs, can you  
say they are happy?


People mutter about safety, but they should see the videos of them  
smacking e-classes, or the video
of it hitting a concrete barrier at 70 mph (mind they admit the  
impact would have killed everyone (normally expected))
before mocking the safety features. The doors still opened and there  
was no intrusion into the cabin space.
 I'm not sure Ford or GM would allow or show such videos of cars  
they make of that size factor smacking things...



On 28-Aug-06, at 5:52 PM, Steve MacSween wrote:

The Smart is on sale in Canada since late 2005, and you are getting  
them

next year (or so I believed I read somewhere), however not nationally,
mainly in larger urban markets.

Penske is importing them to the US and managing distribution, no?

I did not pay close attention to the news coverage.

In any case they start at about $19k Cdn, from memory, but many are  
selling

way over that.

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Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light

[Hendrik Riessen]

The only way I could thing off is if there is a build up of metal "dust" 
from the brake disc which is causing an intermittened circuit.
For those who do not know how the brake pad thickness sensor works, on 
proper MB brake pads there is a little hole at the top where a sensor plugs 
in. This sensor has a wire coming off it which plugs into a socket which is 
attached to the brake caliper housing. This sensor is replaced when the pads 
are replaced, a good parts supplier will supply these sensors without having 
to be asked. He/she will ask wether you want special brake pad grease which 
if you don't have any is a yes.
Once the pads reach a pre determined thinness the sensor makes contact with 
the disc which closes the circuit and illuminates the dash warning light. 
This usally only happens when the brakes are applied.
There is nothing mysterious about this set up and once done is easy to 
understand. There is no sensor on the rear brakes, therefore they have to be 
inspected manually.
Changing MB brake pads is pretty much the same as other cars except for this 
sensor.
The easiest way to check if the sensor is causing your illuminating problem 
is to get a multimeter, stick one end on the disc and the other into the 
sensor plug, if you have a complete circuit you know where your problem is 
at. Doing this you don't have disassemble anything except taking off the 
wheel.


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Thanks for the help, all---I will take the wheels off and investigate
all the wiring closely. So there's no way the pads could just be worn
and cause an always-flickering light (as opposed to one that flickers
only when the pedal is pressed)?

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

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Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list)

[Desert Rat]

None of the current breed of Hybrids have any external battery
charging capabilities.

On 8/29/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ernest wrote:< >>

Not to mention that electrical charging just moves the point of emissions
from the tailpipie to the smokestack/
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> you've touched on another sore point i have with hybrids; (even ignoring
> the fact that none of the hybrids i've seen in use have gotten anything
> like the claimed fuel economy and how long it takes to break even
> financially,) what's to be done with those batteries when they're used up?
> we already have a problem with the disposal of batteries.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
>> The thing is, when you reach the break even point in 10 years, thats
>> when the batteries need to be replaced at a price of what, about 12k?
>> Seems like a loose loose to me on those.
>>
>> Tom Hargrave wrote:
>>
>>> I disagree. The SUVs may be burning a lot of fuel but its our overall
>>> consumption that counts and I see more "regular folks" around here
>>> driving
>>> full size V8 powered trucks than "suit & tie executives" driving SUVs.
>>> For
>>> that matter my Jeep Grand Cherokee (a SUV) gets 21 MPG on the highway
>>> while
>>> my youngest Son's full size Dodge gets 18 MPG on the highway.
>>>
>>> On another note, I don't understand the rush to buy hybrids. All of the
>>> experts are saying that the payback for a hybrid vehicle is about 10
>>> years.
>>> This means that you reach the break even point in about 10 years. That's
>>> not
>>> much incentive for me to buy one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom Hargrave
>>> 256-656-1924
>>> www.kegkits.com
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Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

[Kevin]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 01:00:54PM -0500, Harry Watkins wrote:
> With leaking delivery valves, a low fuel tank level and parked nose up on a 
> slope, your 300SDL stands a good chance of a no start, I don't know about 
> other models.

A 124 with the same engine will have the same problem. Do not ask how I know
this.

K

Re: [MBZ] 124 heater core?

[Kevin]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:20:38PM -0500, Loren Faeth wrote:
> I'll take the car as is if you deliver and give me $500.

You can try prying it out of my cold dead hands for eight times that.

K

Re: [MBZ] 124 heater core?

[Loren Faeth]

I'll take the car as is if you deliver and give me $500.

At 03:33 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:

Do I even want to know how miserable of a job a heater core is on a W124?
(it's an 87 300D if that matters).

K

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Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?

[Kevin]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:27:30AM -0400, J.B. Hebert wrote:
> I am preparing to R&R the suspension on my '95 E300D, and the only 
> tool I think I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing 
> tool.  Does anyone have any experience with the Sir Tools 
> version?  It appears to be well made - fully hardened body with 
> thrust bearings on the drive nuts.  This is the type of tool that 
> will only get used every once in a great while, but I'd rather spend 
> the money up front that get frustrated with an inferior product once 
> the project has begun.

JB,

I purchased the Klann to do the job on my 201, 201/124 have identical 
rear suspension with the exception of the differential mount on the 124
being rubber and the 201 having four bolts and no bushings. 

Book time is four hours on a 201, I have the job down to about 45 minutes
on a 201 using the tool. The Klann is very well built, and I've actually
made other use of it (LCA bushings on a 123, believe it or not), but is 
VERY heavy. Carpal tunnel syndrome really makes this a rough job.

Generally speaking, the Klann is the ne plus ultra, and the sir tools is
a cheaper knockoff, at least with most other tools. I have never seen
the bushing tool, but can only assume similar. IIRC, Rusty will rent you
the sir tools one if you don't forsee having another 124/201 in the fleet
that you'll need to do this on. I believe the klann set me back around $300,
and IIRC I got it new from samstagsales.com. The 'wear item' is the threaded
rod.

For a quick rundown of the procedure (mind you, this is from a 201, and
a 124 might be slightly different), it will be something like:
   - disconnect rear portion of exhaust, which travels under the subframe
   - disconnect driveshaft from rear diff at the flex joint. On a 201, this
 requires loosening the center bearing support
   - remove wheels (duh)
   - remove brake calipers and hang them somehow
   - possibly need to unbolt/loosen the e-brake cable, can't remember
   - undo bottom bolt for shocks
   - undo bottom bolt for sway bar link
   - position floor jack or tranny jack under rear diff and jack up to lightly
 support weight of diff
   - unbolt two subframe mounts on one side of car. one is in front of axle,
 one is behind. Somewhere along the mix, the bolt changed from a 21 or
 23mm 6 point head to a [EMAIL PROTECTED] torx, but I can't remember if it 
is male or
 female - been a while. Use the jack to slowly lower one side of the 
 subframe. 
At this point you can decide how much you are doing. If you are just replacing
mounts, you can do as the book suggests and do one side at a time. If you are
doing everything, I strongly suggest undoing both sides and rolling the 
subframe out from under the car so you can see what you are replacing and not
be on your back. BTDT with the 190D twice, and it was easier with the subframe
out of the car. Installation is the reverse of removal, though it will be
easiest to jack the subframe up and put pressure on it into the car so that
the bolts go in easier. The bolts are tapered (and won't strip), and require
some upward force to line up and thread unless you are cheating. Be mindful
of the laws of physics, the curiosity of children and pets, and the lack of
sense of humor the wife will have while driving you to the ER, and use jack
stands ;)

If you decide to do the links, the new mounting hardware comes with a bolt
that may require an XZN driver. Conveniently enough, this isn't the same
size bit as the head bolts. Instead of using the driver like I used on the
87's head, I bought one that slides into a socket wrench, so that I could 
instead use a gear wrench around it due to clearance issues. The 124 might
have more space.

IIRC, Dave Meimann has done this on his 124, as has aaron lam. If you end up
with a question or two, one of the three of us should be able to help you
out.

K

[MBZ] 124 heater core?

[Kevin]

Do I even want to know how miserable of a job a heater core is on a W124?
(it's an 87 300D if that matters).

K

Re: [MBZ] diesel electric/gas electric

[RELNGSON]

Hardly a new concept:

http://www.autohistory.org/feature_6.html

Or just Google "Lohner-Porsche"

RLE

Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list)

[LarryT]

Ernest wrote:< >>

Not to mention that electrical charging just moves the point of emissions 
from the tailpipie to the smokestack/

;-)

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you've touched on another sore point i have with hybrids; (even ignoring
the fact that none of the hybrids i've seen in use have gotten anything
like the claimed fuel economy and how long it takes to break even
financially,) what's to be done with those batteries when they're used up?
we already have a problem with the disposal of batteries.


cheers!
e



The thing is, when you reach the break even point in 10 years, thats
when the batteries need to be replaced at a price of what, about 12k?
Seems like a loose loose to me on those.

Tom Hargrave wrote:


I disagree. The SUVs may be burning a lot of fuel but its our overall
consumption that counts and I see more "regular folks" around here
driving
full size V8 powered trucks than "suit & tie executives" driving SUVs.
For
that matter my Jeep Grand Cherokee (a SUV) gets 21 MPG on the highway
while
my youngest Son's full size Dodge gets 18 MPG on the highway.

On another note, I don't understand the rush to buy hybrids. All of the
experts are saying that the payback for a hybrid vehicle is about 10
years.
This means that you reach the break even point in about 10 years. That's
not
much incentive for me to buy one.


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com


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Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

I don't know about that particular SIR tool, but after buying a VE pump 
timing adapter that was drop shipped directly from the SIR factory and 
when I opened the box the center rod was seriously bent, when I called 
them about it, the person on the phone gave me a pile of trash about it 
being all my fault and I was trying to rip them off etc etc. I got the 
tool place I ordered it from to refund my money without any problem ( 
etoolcart.com, good folks ), but after that treatment ( and the cheap 
lousy tool ) I wouldn't spend another dime with that company.


Robert

J.B. Hebert wrote:
I am preparing to R&R the suspension on my '95 E300D, and the only 
tool I think I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing 
tool.  Does anyone have any experience with the Sir Tools 
version?  It appears to be well made - fully hardened body with 
thrust bearings on the drive nuts.  This is the type of tool that 
will only get used every once in a great while, but I'd rather spend 
the money up front that get frustrated with an inferior product once 
the project has begun.


Any opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks.


J.B. Hebert

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[MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

[Harry Watkins]

With leaking delivery valves, a low fuel tank level and parked nose up on a 
slope, your 300SDL stands a good chance of a no start, I don't know about other 
models.

This morning I intentionally and finally duplicated what had happened to my 
wife about a month ago.  She called from a neighbors that it would not start, I 
went and checked fuel flow, (good), primary filter, (clean), return fuel,(yes) 
and the fuel gauge showed just over 1/4 tank.

I let it roll backwards to the road and pointed towards home for a tow.  When 
my wife got in to steer, she tried it again and it started.  At home I changed 
both fuel filters, degreased, washed and blew the area dry, except I noticed 
fuel returning to the delivery valve (DV) area.

Rusty was called for DV orings, springs and copper seals and I continued to use 
the car.

After filling the tank and on the way to school one night, I remembered someone 
on the list had a slope starting problem, seems it was at their daughters 
house, not sure.  I decided to try and duplicate the no start.  I started 
parking on a fairly good slope at the house.  I even took a level to estimate 
if the slope made the fuel tank level below the DVs and it seemed to be so.  I 
kept testing as the tank level keep going down and this morning it happened.

When I parked it on the slope last night, the fuel gauge was just over 1/4 tank 
and it would not start until I let it roll to a level spot.  Even then it took 
a lot of cranking to self bleed before starting but this was a more severe 
slope than my neighbor's driveway.

Of course I would think that any leak could cause the same thing, but DVs are 
where the rubber hits the road so any air there is trouble.

Time for breakfast and to start thinking about re-sealing the DVs.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans

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My 86 Ford E350 van with 6.9 diesel does the same thing.  Starts easy as can
be with the nose pointed downhill but cranks forever if it is pointed
uphill.  Can't seem to find the air leak so I just make sure to park it
"right".

Mike
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Subject: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up


> With leaking delivery valves, a low fuel tank level and parked nose up on
> a slope, your 300SDL stands a good chance of a no start, I don't know
> about other models.
>
> This morning I intentionally and finally duplicated what had happened to
> my wife about a month ago.  She called from a neighbors that it would not
> start, I went and checked fuel flow, (good), primary filter, (clean),
> return fuel,(yes) and the fuel gauge showed just over 1/4 tank.
>
> I let it roll backwards to the road and pointed towards home for a tow.
> When my wife got in to steer, she tried it again and it started.  At home
> I changed both fuel filters, degreased, washed and blew the area dry,
> except I noticed fuel returning to the delivery valve (DV) area.
>
> Rusty was called for DV orings, springs and copper seals and I continued
> to use the car.
>
> After filling the tank and on the way to school one night, I remembered
> someone on the list had a slope starting problem, seems it was at their
> daughters house, not sure.  I decided to try and duplicate the no start.
> I started parking on a

Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light

[Levi Smith]

I've seen something similar on mine with the rotors worn the right(wrong?)
way.  Basically, the outer edge of the rotor is not wearing down with the
rest of the face.  So, there can be a lot of pad left, but the outer edge of
the rotor starts eating into the outer edge of the pad and/or wire and when
it's just a rough rusty edge it can sometimes just flicker while driving
without using the brakes...
That said, my rotors are probably overdue for replacement.  If only I didn't
have to mess with the dang wheel bearings.  That's just stupid in my mind.
I love my Isuzu's and Subaru's where the rear discs are the same as the
front.  You take off the caliper and the roto just slides off.

Levi

On 8/29/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> Thanks for the help, all---I will take the wheels off and investigate
> all the wiring closely. So there's no way the pads could just be worn
> and cause an always-flickering light (as opposed to one that flickers
> only when the pedal is pressed)?
>

What you describe might be possibly caused by worn pads alone, but only
after the light would be reliably activated every time you applied the
brakes for many weeks or months!

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] waterpump fee

[kevin kraly]

Maybe it's got a 250 (gasser) trunk lid on it!

A W114 trunk lid can fit on a W115?  I didn't know that!

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon, I'll keep everyone posted on that 240D

Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light

[Trampas]

I have seen the brake lining light flicker when the sensor wire was rubbing
the rotor. I was showing a friend how to put on front brake pads and he put
the spring clip over the wires and pressed wires to rotors. I did not check
his work close enough and had to go back and fix it. Of course this guy had
the mechanical aptitude of a rock. You know the kind of person, the kind you
keep having to say "righty tighty, lefty loosely" 

Also I have seen it flicker when the pads are worn but pressing on brake
usually changed flickering to be on or off. 

Trampas

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 8/27/2006 7:09:54 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> The  brake lining light on my 124 just started flickering, seemingly
> independent  of whether the brake pedal is being pushed or not.  I've
> never seen  this kind of intermittent behavior before; when I've needed
> new pads, I  think the light has always come on steadily when the pedal
> is down.   Is this just a variation on the worn-pads signal, or
> something  electrical?  (Shamefully, I've never done the brakes on a
> Mercedes  before, so I'm kind of unclear how the wear sensors work and
> thus whether  they could reasonably produce a flickery dash  light.)
> 
> 
> 
> Isn't the fluid level in the master cylinder the same circuit as the brake

> linings sensors?  In other words, a slightly low fluid level could cause
the 
> flickering you report.  

On most models I'm familiar with, low fluid level activates the same red 
light that is activated by the emergency brake. Worn pads activate a 
different (yellow) light.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[andrew strasfogel]

Rapeseed is the predecessor name fro Canola oil.

The solution is an amalgam of synergistic technologies - photovoltainc solar
assist cells on the roof of the car, in combination with the aforementioned
biodiesel-electric hybrid motor.

On 8/29/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Though this is really a topic for the biodiesel forum/list

My understanding is that Germany was blending B20 using rapeseed for a
long time until the EU decided that BioD was a good thing and then
legislated a need for it.  With so much more demand, the blend dropped
to B5 so that all the oil could meet that need.


On Aug 29, 2006, at 9:30 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:

> great; the way this thread went off-course, i wasn't sure if you ever
> got
> that!   ;-)
>
>FWIW, some countries in the EU have reportedly been blending BioD
> into
> all of their standard #2 supply at a higher percentage than that for
> some time without any significant issues reported.
>
>closer to home, i've been using mostly B100 in our completely stock
> '85
> 300D for ~3 yrs/35K miles with no issues; not even any indication of
> the need to change a fuel line.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
>> Yes, someone said that 2% biodiesel is not a problem to run in a stock
>> vehicle. Thanks.
>>
>> Brian
>> 83 240D
>>
>>
>> On 8/29/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> p.s.
>>>   i wonder if the orignal poster got the answer he was looking for?
>>>
>>>
>>>

 One COULD make a case for using up all THEIR oil first (especially
 if
 it's cheaper and more efficient) and then switch to home
 grown

 Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light

[Marshall Booth]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

Thanks for the help, all---I will take the wheels off and investigate
all the wiring closely. So there's no way the pads could just be worn
and cause an always-flickering light (as opposed to one that flickers
only when the pedal is pressed)?



What you describe might be possibly caused by worn pads alone, but only 
after the light would be reliably activated every time you applied the 
brakes for many weeks or months!


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
In a message dated 8/27/2006 7:09:54 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


The  brake lining light on my 124 just started flickering, seemingly
independent  of whether the brake pedal is being pushed or not.  I've
never seen  this kind of intermittent behavior before; when I've needed
new pads, I  think the light has always come on steadily when the pedal
is down.   Is this just a variation on the worn-pads signal, or
something  electrical?  (Shamefully, I've never done the brakes on a
Mercedes  before, so I'm kind of unclear how the wear sensors work and
thus whether  they could reasonably produce a flickery dash  light.)



Isn't the fluid level in the master cylinder the same circuit as the brake  
linings sensors?  In other words, a slightly low fluid level could cause  the 
flickering you report.  


On most models I'm familiar with, low fluid level activates the same red 
light that is activated by the emergency brake. Worn pads activate a 
different (yellow) light.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids

[David Brodbeck]

ernest breakfield wrote:
> you've touched on another sore point i have with hybrids; (even ignoring
> the fact that none of the hybrids i've seen in use have gotten anything
> like the claimed fuel economy and how long it takes to break even
> financially,) what's to be done with those batteries when they're used up?
> we already have a problem with the disposal of batteries.
>   

Most of them are using NiMH or Li-Ion batteries, currently.  Those don't
have the toxic heavy metals in them that NiCads or lead acid batteries
do.  They're also recyclable.  This isn't inherently any more of a
problem than recovering waste oil or used starting batteries.

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[redghost]

Though this is really a topic for the biodiesel forum/list

My understanding is that Germany was blending B20 using rapeseed for a 
long time until the EU decided that BioD was a good thing and then 
legislated a need for it.  With so much more demand, the blend dropped 
to B5 so that all the oil could meet that need.



On Aug 29, 2006, at 9:30 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:

great; the way this thread went off-course, i wasn't sure if you ever 
got

that!   ;-)

   FWIW, some countries in the EU have reportedly been blending BioD 
into

all of their standard #2 supply at a higher percentage than that for
some time without any significant issues reported.

   closer to home, i've been using mostly B100 in our completely stock 
'85

300D for ~3 yrs/35K miles with no issues; not even any indication of
the need to change a fuel line.


cheers!
e



Yes, someone said that 2% biodiesel is not a problem to run in a stock
vehicle. Thanks.

Brian
83 240D


On 8/29/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




p.s.
  i wonder if the orignal poster got the answer he was looking for?





One COULD make a case for using up all THEIR oil first (especially 
if
it's cheaper and more efficient) and then switch to home 
grown


Marshall


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Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

[David Brodbeck]

OK Don wrote:
> Well, pitching is exactly what it was doing - fore-to-aft. I don't
> remember my MGs being that bad.
>   

My Cabriolet -- another short-wheelbase car -- suffers a bit from that. 
It's not bad on freeway expansion joints and the like, but you have to
watch out for railroad tracks and speed bumps if you don't want to feel
like the car is about to land on its nose.

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[ernest breakfield]

great; the way this thread went off-course, i wasn't sure if you ever got
that!   ;-)

   FWIW, some countries in the EU have reportedly been blending BioD into
all of their standard #2 supply at a higher percentage than that for
some time without any significant issues reported.

   closer to home, i've been using mostly B100 in our completely stock '85
300D for ~3 yrs/35K miles with no issues; not even any indication of
the need to change a fuel line.


cheers!
e


> Yes, someone said that 2% biodiesel is not a problem to run in a stock
> vehicle. Thanks.
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
>
>
> On 8/29/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> p.s.
>>   i wonder if the orignal poster got the answer he was looking for?
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > One COULD make a case for using up all THEIR oil first (especially if
>> > it's cheaper and more efficient) and then switch to home grown
>> >
>> > Marshall
>>
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Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[Zoltan Finks]

Yes, someone said that 2% biodiesel is not a problem to run in a stock
vehicle. Thanks.

Brian
83 240D


On 8/29/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




p.s.
  i wonder if the orignal poster got the answer he was looking for?



>
> One COULD make a case for using up all THEIR oil first (especially if
> it's cheaper and more efficient) and then switch to home grown
>
> Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] mirror glass removal

[LarryT]

Seems like we just discussed this -

The old glass will come out using a wooden stick to pry it out - like a 
paint stir stick.  The mirror is held in by a ball & socket arrangement.  If 
you get the replacement mirror it will be obvious how the old comes out and 
the new goes in.


Check with Rusty at http://www.buymbparts.com/ for the replacement mirror - 
IIRC they're not very expensive and you'll be getting a new one as opposed 
to a used one that may have damaged also.

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From: "Jerry Herrman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: [MBZ] mirror glass removal



The glass is broken on the driver side mirror on my 82 240D (123 body
style). I have been told that I can replace the glass mirror without
removing the mirror housing.  Is this true? Has anyone actually done this
who can tell me how to remove the broken glass mirror and replace it with
one removed from another mirror housing ?

Thanks in advance

Jerry
82 240D



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[MBZ] 123 Alarm System

[Alan Duff]

In looking through the papers that came with my 1985 300D I found the 
original window invoice. It lists optional equipment, one of which is item 
551, a Anti-Theft Alarm System. The cost was $360. Still don't have it 
fixed, but it is a factory item.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

Re: [MBZ] Problem with threads on rear hub

[LarryT]

NAPA usually has a good selection -

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From: "Kevin J. Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Problem with threads on rear hub



Well the tap didn't work. I thought it might but the bolt won't take the
82 ft-lbs that's required. So now I need to find a helicoil kit. Pepboyz
didn't have anything larger than 11mm. Anyone know for sure if one of the
major chains carries M12 x 1.5 kits? I'll be calling around at lunch
trying to hunt one down I guess. Hopefully, this is the last hurdle to
getting this project car on the road.

...Kevin

Barry Stark said:

Yep, tap first to see if the threads are galled in the hub but if no joy
then a helicoil would be my first choice. It can be done without taking
anything apart except removing the wheel and it will be stronger than the
original threads.

Barry


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Brodbeck
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:06 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Problem with threads on rear hub


Kevin J. Slater wrote:
> If the threads are already too big a tap won't help much. What to do
in
> that case I wonder?
>

Helicoil?




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Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?

[LarryT]

You might look at http://www.toolrage.com/ - they may have the tool also - 
(although I didn;t see the tool you;re looking for)


Good luck -

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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:27 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?



I am preparing to R&R the suspension on my '95 E300D, and the only
tool I think I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing
tool.  Does anyone have any experience with the Sir Tools
version?  It appears to be well made - fully hardened body with
thrust bearings on the drive nuts.  This is the type of tool that
will only get used every once in a great while, but I'd rather spend
the money up front that get frustrated with an inferior product once
the project has begun.

Any opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks.


J.B. Hebert

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[MBZ] mirror glass removal

[Jerry Herrman]

The glass is broken on the driver side mirror on my 82 240D (123 body 
style). I have been told that I can replace the glass mirror without 
removing the mirror housing.  Is this true? Has anyone actually done this 
who can tell me how to remove the broken glass mirror and replace it with 
one removed from another mirror housing ?


Thanks in advance

Jerry
82 240D 

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Trampas]

Call Lloyd at Raleigh Auto 919-821-0952, the last I checked he had a W124
300E that was being parted out. I am not sure about the state of the
transmission. 

I had a W124 transmission rebuilt locally for $1200, since then I do all my
own transmission rebuilds. 

Trampas

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:51 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

Leave it to the Aussies to hijack a perfectly good thread, and a language, 
for that matter!  ; )

Hendrick, send us a movie of you riding your 'roo bareback while ropin 
wallabys with one hand and shootin dingos with the other!  Bet that would 
be entertaining!

One good thing about Aussies, they can spin a yarn!

On topic:  I think I am to the point where i just want the thing on the 
road.  One place quoted $2300 and $1000 core for a rebuilt trans!  I think 
I will buy the $450 used one and hope for the best, so I can get it 
running.  I am gonna call Sun valley before I decide for sure.  I cand seem 
to find a $4-500 124 gasser heap to donate a transAnd K'leb seems to be 
124 averse, in terms of snappin up old 124s to provide us parts.

Loren
240D needs a trans (81)
300TE (88 Needs a trans: topic car)
87 TD still down and undiagnosed, a puzzler.
I STILL hate auto trans
and no MB with working ac this year!

My trusty ol 400K SDL still runs great!
Funny thing, the old 200Ds with a 4 speed just keep workingcould it be 
cause MB would sell a manual transmission to us (USA) back then?

At 06:13 PM 8/24/2006, you wrote:
>Nah, the really macho amongst us use their mouth to clean the
>dipstickand no spitting is not allowed.
>Also allows us to taste the condition of the fluid.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:04 AM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis
>
>
> >> balls/springs do before taking things apart.  Something as small as a
> >> piece
> >> of lint from a paper towel used to check the ATF level can cause
> >> problems.
> >
> > That's why the preferred technique involves wiping the blade down with
> > your fingers after wiping off the oil.  Then you wipe your fingers on
> > the towel.  For the macho, skip the initial towel wipe altogether!
> >
> >> I wouldn't hesitate to replace the primary pump or the bands, but if
> >> the
> >> valve body needs work, I'd try to find a used or rebuilt one.
> >
> > See, I'd be just the reverse.  Something that can be easily removed
> > from the car without a lot of grunt work is appealing.  Though I've
> > never done one I suppose I wouldn't be afraid to try.  If it's broke
> > before I start there's little I can do to it that'll make it worse.
> > Also, I once as a foolish 'yout' disassembled the carriage of a Friden
> > rotary calculator.  Trying to get _that_ back together was a real
> > exercise in complexity and spring-loaded flying steel balls.  Btw,
> > I did get it back together and it worked.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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[MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list)

[ernest breakfield]

you've touched on another sore point i have with hybrids; (even ignoring
the fact that none of the hybrids i've seen in use have gotten anything
like the claimed fuel economy and how long it takes to break even
financially,) what's to be done with those batteries when they're used up?
we already have a problem with the disposal of batteries.


cheers!
e


> The thing is, when you reach the break even point in 10 years, thats
> when the batteries need to be replaced at a price of what, about 12k?
> Seems like a loose loose to me on those.
>
> Tom Hargrave wrote:
>
>> I disagree. The SUVs may be burning a lot of fuel but its our overall
>> consumption that counts and I see more "regular folks" around here
>> driving
>> full size V8 powered trucks than "suit & tie executives" driving SUVs.
>> For
>> that matter my Jeep Grand Cherokee (a SUV) gets 21 MPG on the highway
>> while
>> my youngest Son's full size Dodge gets 18 MPG on the highway.
>>
>> On another note, I don't understand the rush to buy hybrids. All of the
>> experts are saying that the payback for a hybrid vehicle is about 10
>> years.
>> This means that you reach the break even point in about 10 years. That's
>> not
>> much incentive for me to buy one.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Hargrave
>> 256-656-1924
>> www.kegkits.com
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Loren Faeth]

Leave it to the Aussies to hijack a perfectly good thread, and a language, 
for that matter!  ; )


Hendrick, send us a movie of you riding your 'roo bareback while ropin 
wallabys with one hand and shootin dingos with the other!  Bet that would 
be entertaining!


One good thing about Aussies, they can spin a yarn!

On topic:  I think I am to the point where i just want the thing on the 
road.  One place quoted $2300 and $1000 core for a rebuilt trans!  I think 
I will buy the $450 used one and hope for the best, so I can get it 
running.  I am gonna call Sun valley before I decide for sure.  I cand seem 
to find a $4-500 124 gasser heap to donate a transAnd K'leb seems to be 
124 averse, in terms of snappin up old 124s to provide us parts.


Loren
240D needs a trans (81)
300TE (88 Needs a trans: topic car)
87 TD still down and undiagnosed, a puzzler.
I STILL hate auto trans
and no MB with working ac this year!

My trusty ol 400K SDL still runs great!
Funny thing, the old 200Ds with a 4 speed just keep workingcould it be 
cause MB would sell a manual transmission to us (USA) back then?


At 06:13 PM 8/24/2006, you wrote:

Nah, the really macho amongst us use their mouth to clean the
dipstickand no spitting is not allowed.
Also allows us to taste the condition of the fluid.

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis


>> balls/springs do before taking things apart.  Something as small as a
>> piece
>> of lint from a paper towel used to check the ATF level can cause
>> problems.
>
> That's why the preferred technique involves wiping the blade down with
> your fingers after wiping off the oil.  Then you wipe your fingers on
> the towel.  For the macho, skip the initial towel wipe altogether!
>
>> I wouldn't hesitate to replace the primary pump or the bands, but if
>> the
>> valve body needs work, I'd try to find a used or rebuilt one.
>
> See, I'd be just the reverse.  Something that can be easily removed
> from the car without a lot of grunt work is appealing.  Though I've
> never done one I suppose I wouldn't be afraid to try.  If it's broke
> before I start there's little I can do to it that'll make it worse.
> Also, I once as a foolish 'yout' disassembled the carriage of a Friden
> rotary calculator.  Trying to get _that_ back together was a real
> exercise in complexity and spring-loaded flying steel balls.  Btw,
> I did get it back together and it worked.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[ernest breakfield]

that's not a great argument even if you want to ignore all the other
points already raised.

   even if you were to ignore all the other points and only were concerned
with your own short-term expenditures, depending on any finite
non-renewable resource isn't our best choice (regardless of where it's
pumped from).


cheers!
e


p.s.
   i wonder if the orignal poster got the answer he was looking for?



>
> One COULD make a case for using up all THEIR oil first (especially if
> it's cheaper and more efficient) and then switch to home grown
>
> Marshall

Re: [MBZ] Problem with threads on rear hub

[Kevin J. Slater]

Well the tap didn't work. I thought it might but the bolt won't take the
82 ft-lbs that's required. So now I need to find a helicoil kit. Pepboyz
didn't have anything larger than 11mm. Anyone know for sure if one of the
major chains carries M12 x 1.5 kits? I'll be calling around at lunch
trying to hunt one down I guess. Hopefully, this is the last hurdle to
getting this project car on the road.

...Kevin

Barry Stark said:
> Yep, tap first to see if the threads are galled in the hub but if no joy
> then a helicoil would be my first choice. It can be done without taking
> anything apart except removing the wheel and it will be stronger than the
> original threads.
>
> Barry
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Brodbeck
>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:06 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Problem with threads on rear hub
>>
>>
>> Kevin J. Slater wrote:
>> > If the threads are already too big a tap won't help much. What to do
>> in
>> > that case I wonder?
>> >
>>
>> Helicoil?
>
>
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[MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?

[J.B. Hebert]

I am preparing to R&R the suspension on my '95 E300D, and the only 
tool I think I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing 
tool.  Does anyone have any experience with the Sir Tools 
version?  It appears to be well made - fully hardened body with 
thrust bearings on the drive nuts.  This is the type of tool that 
will only get used every once in a great while, but I'd rather spend 
the money up front that get frustrated with an inferior product once 
the project has begun.


Any opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks.


J.B. Hebert

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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Luther Gulseth]

seals start to go bad after they haven't been used for a while.

"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> I have plenty of good used ones.  Not sure what recent service has to do 
> with anything though.
> 
> Luther Gulseth wrote:
> 
> > hell no.   The problem is the turbo.  Do you have a used one that's been 
in recent service?
> > 
> 



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'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have plenty of good used ones.  Not sure what recent service has to do 
with anything though.


Luther Gulseth wrote:


hell no.   The problem is the turbo.  Do you have a used one that's been in 
recent service?

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:07:48 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I will give him $500 for it.

LT Don wrote:



Doesn't seem that long ago that Luther was bragging about this cherry coupe
he stole for way under market value, and about how lucky he was to have
found it.









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Re: [MBZ] 1974 240D $700 or 1982 300SD $800?

[Jim Cathey]

someone (stewart S I believe?) was  discussing the 4 hour alternator
replacement on his 1976 300D.


That York gets in the way of _everything_!  I'm thinking
that alternator work on those is best done from below.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] waterpump fee

[Jim Cathey]

Maybe, it's got a 2.5T engine in it.


Maybe it's got a 250 (gasser) trunk lid on it!
The 220D I sent up the hill to the neighbor does.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Anyone want to buy 4 126 wheels?

[Donald Snook]

John F. wrote: 

 

"The W126 never offered the 8 hole wheels from the factory, the C class
and the E class did but they won't fit.

There are some aftermarket wheels out there from Tirerack, etc but be
sure you obtain the right offset, etc." 

 

If I get them, they will be from Tire Rack.  They have the proper offset
for my car.  I do like the look of the stock (15 hole) wheels, but they
are boogers to keep clean.  The 8 hole wheels are much easier to clean
and I think give the car a little bit more modern look.  

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129k 

Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

[OK Don]

Well, pitching is exactly what it was doing - fore-to-aft. I don't
remember my MGs being that bad.



The Mini is pitched as a sports car, and the suspension is probably
calibrated accordingly.




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Re: [MBZ] Short??

[BillR]

Thanks, Barry.  We will get at that stuff this morning.
BillR 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Barry Stark
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 2:16 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??

Bill -
In my experience with things electrical and M/B if a bunch of weird stuff
starts happening it has got to either be a bad ground somewhere or a blown
fuse on an Over voltage Protection Relay. Since the '81 300SD doesn't have a
OPR then.
Like the other listers have said, battery ground cable, bonding cables or
the grounds behind the instrument cluster. When you were changing out the
flasher you probably saw all the brown ground wires there. There must be
like 20 of them. On the battery ground cable be sure the wire lug is clean
and also the body that the lug is clamped against.

Barry


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of BillR
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:33 AM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??
>
>
> There is a big amp in the trunk - not hooked up, and a properly 
> functioning Panasonic receiver / CD player installed by the PO.  I am 
> not aware of any other mods he did other than the small flasher he put 
> in the dash to mimic an alarm system.  Nothing else obvious, but the 
> radio installer [probably the PO] could have done anything, I guess.  
> The [expletive deleted] PO bought it in CA, installed the stereo, 
> bought correct paint for it, stripped it down and taped for paint, 
> then let it sit in the sun / rain for months before selling it to my 
> son for $300.  He also put nearly 15k miles without an oil change 
> [hence my replacement engine last year].  Love the car, though
> - not too thrilled about the random features.
> Good suggestions.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of LarryT
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:18 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??
>
> Hi Bill,
> If any aftermarket things were added that required tapping into 
> the electrical system - make sure to investigate those 1st.  If 
> possible, take it out to see how things work without it -
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??
>
>
> > Sorry, meant to include that information.  The battery is also 1.5 
> > years old.
> > BillR
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Desert Rat
> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:49 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??
> >
> > How old is the battery?
> >
> > On 8/28/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>My 1981 300SD has developed numerous random electrical features 
> >> that seem to point toward a short somewhere, and I am in hopes of a 
> >> head start on where to look first.  For the past year I have had 
> >> problems with the left blinker flashing continuously when the stem 
> >> is centered - though it seems to just barely make the threshold to 
> >> flash, and both blinkers respond properly when turned on..  50 or 
> >> so repitions of the emergency flasher switch do nothing much for 
> >> the rest of that day, but the next day it stops and is no problem 
> >> for a few weeks or even a month or two.  A couple of days ago the 
> >> oil pressure gauge suddenly went from correct operation [as far as 
> >> I can tell] to pegging the 3 when the key is switched on.  For the 
> >> last few months [about the time my AC started acting up, I think] 
> >> AC blower seems to run with the engine speed, as does the 
> >> brightness of the headlights, though when I forget the lights are 
> >> on for an hour [warning buzzer works when it wants to] I have no 
> >> problem starting the car, with no hesitation or slowness of the 
> >> starting motor.  On occasion I have noted the tach jumping with the 
> >> blinker, and I think once it did it with the brake light.  I am 
> >> hoping this mixture of random features will click with someone and 
> >> a suggestion for a starting spot will come up.  All the fuses were 
> >> replaced 1.5 years ago, though with the plastic ones that tend to 
> >> melt the blower fuse - that one
> replaced with a
> > more robust German make fuse.  Replacing the flasher did nothing at all.
> > Ideas?
> >> Thanks - BillR
> >> Jacksonville  FL
> >> 1981 300SD  279k miles
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 1974 240D $700 or 1982 300SD $800?

[kevin kraly]

I've never met a vintage Mercedes that didn't have front and rear windshield 
gasket leaks.  I forgot to ask Melody, the owner of the 240D, if the car has 
been in dry, inside storage or outside under the elements.  I'm hoping for 
the former.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 

Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

[David Brodbeck]

OK Don wrote:
> My concern is the ride - I rode in a Mini the other day on a road that
> is a little rough in the W124 - the Mini threw us all over the seats,
> even belted in. Dampened my interest in Mini's considerably.

The Mini is pitched as a sports car, and the suspension is probably
calibrated accordingly.

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[David Brodbeck]

OK Don wrote:
> There are few folks working on Diesel-electric cars - Diesel turns the
> generator at a constant speed, elecrticity generated turns the wheels
> - just like a locomotive. That might be the ticket 

I remember seeing video of a prototypical truck Volvo had that was along
those lines.  It was gas turbine-electric, with a hub motor on each
wheel for four-wheel drive.  It also had four-wheel steering for making
tight corners and crabbing diagonally in and out of parking spaces.  It
was a straight box truck, designed for the tight downtown streets in
European cities.  I don't know what ever became of the idea.

A hybrid-electric arrangement like that is a pretty good one for a gas
turbine, because they do best at high throttle settings and constant
speeds.  Like a diesel, they can be made to run on just about any liquid
fuel.

Re: [MBZ] Problem with threads on rear hub

[Barry Stark]

Yep, tap first to see if the threads are galled in the hub but if no joy
then a helicoil would be my first choice. It can be done without taking
anything apart except removing the wheel and it will be stronger than the
original threads.

Barry

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Brodbeck
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:06 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Problem with threads on rear hub
>
>
> Kevin J. Slater wrote:
> > If the threads are already too big a tap won't help much. What to do in
> > that case I wonder?
> >
>
> Helicoil?

Re: [MBZ] Short??

[Barry Stark]

Bill -
In my experience with things electrical and M/B if a bunch of weird stuff
starts happening it has got to either be a bad ground somewhere or a blown
fuse on an Over voltage Protection Relay. Since the '81 300SD doesn't have a
OPR then.
Like the other listers have said, battery ground cable, bonding cables or
the grounds behind the instrument cluster. When you were changing out the
flasher you probably saw all the brown ground wires there. There must be
like 20 of them. On the battery ground cable be sure the wire lug is clean
and also the body that the lug is clamped against.

Barry


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of BillR
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:33 AM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??
>
>
> There is a big amp in the trunk - not hooked up, and a properly
> functioning
> Panasonic receiver / CD player installed by the PO.  I am not aware of any
> other mods he did other than the small flasher he put in the dash to mimic
> an alarm system.  Nothing else obvious, but the radio installer [probably
> the PO] could have done anything, I guess.  The [expletive deleted] PO
> bought it in CA, installed the stereo, bought correct paint for
> it, stripped
> it down and taped for paint, then let it sit in the sun / rain for months
> before selling it to my son for $300.  He also put nearly 15k
> miles without
> an oil change [hence my replacement engine last year].  Love the
> car, though
> - not too thrilled about the random features.
> Good suggestions.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of LarryT
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:18 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??
>
> Hi Bill,
> If any aftermarket things were added that required tapping into the
> electrical system - make sure to investigate those 1st.  If possible, take
> it out to see how things work without it -
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for
> Oil Analysis
> and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE
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> .
> - Original Message -
> From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??
>
>
> > Sorry, meant to include that information.  The battery is also 1.5 years
> > old.
> > BillR
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Desert Rat
> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:49 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short??
> >
> > How old is the battery?
> >
> > On 8/28/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>My 1981 300SD has developed numerous random electrical features
> >> that seem to point toward a short somewhere, and I am in hopes of a
> >> head start on where to look first.  For the past year I have had
> >> problems with the left blinker flashing continuously when the stem is
> >> centered - though it seems to just barely make the threshold to flash,
> >> and both blinkers respond properly when turned on..  50 or so
> >> repitions of the emergency flasher switch do nothing much for the rest
> >> of that day, but the next day it stops and is no problem for a few
> >> weeks or even a month or two.  A couple of days ago the oil pressure
> >> gauge suddenly went from correct operation [as far as I can tell] to
> >> pegging the 3 when the key is switched on.  For the last few months
> >> [about the time my AC started acting up, I think] AC blower seems to
> >> run with the engine speed, as does the brightness of the headlights,
> >> though when I forget the lights are on for an hour [warning buzzer
> >> works when it wants to] I have no problem starting the car, with no
> >> hesitation or slowness of the starting motor.  On occasion I have
> >> noted the tach jumping with the blinker, and I think once it did it
> >> with the brake light.  I am hoping this mixture of random features
> >> will click with someone and a suggestion for a starting spot will come
> >> up.  All the fuses were replaced 1.5 years ago, though with the
> >> plastic ones that tend to melt the blower fuse - that one
> replaced with a
> > more robust German make fuse.  Replacing the flasher did nothing at all.
> > Ideas?
> >> Thanks - BillR
> >> Jacksonville  FL
> >> 1981 300SD  279k miles
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Brake Parts

[mykd1]

The Escort shared so many parts with the Mazda so maybe you'll have better luck 
searching for replacement parts for a Mazda Protege. Most of the more expensive 
aftermarket parts like Bendix and Raybestos are as good or better than 
original. As for the others like Beck Arnley and Cardone they are the "cheaper" 
alternative. Cheaper parts do sometimes mean less quality and performance, not 
always, but most of the time. 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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Subject: [MBZ] OT Ford Brake Parts


If someone could help me with this off-list, that may be better than talking
about Fords on this list.

I'm trying to service the brakes on my daughter's '91 Escort.
Ford no longer sells any brake parts for this model - it's obsolete.
(Another reason I really like my MBs, even my '80 300TD is not obsolete.)
But Advance Auto, NAPA etc. all sell a wide assortment of calipers, rotors,
pads etc for this Ford.

For example, from Advance, I can order calipers made by Cardone, Bendix,

Raybestos, Beck Arnley, Crown, or Motormite.  There are some differences in
prices.  But is there any noticable difference in performance or quality?
Does anybody have experience with this one?



Thanks,

Ned



'95 E300D x2

'85 300D

'80 300TD

89 BMW 325iC

'91 Ford Escort Pony

'97 Chrysler T&C LXi
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Re: [MBZ] Atlanta/Ft Benning trip

[mykd1]

You'll definately enjoy it there, one of the best if not THE best infantry 
schools in the country. Oh, don't be surprized if you hear the instructors call 
you "high speed" :>) 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Atlanta/Ft Benning trip


I'm a Firearms Instructor for US Customs.  I'm going to Field Armorer
Training.


On 8/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What kind of training? I was a Ft Benning grunt. If ya get a chance vist
> the 75th Ranger base there
>
> Harry
> 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
> 72 350SL   108,000 Miles
> 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
> 1999 Mazda Miata
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:49 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Atlanta/Ft Benning trip
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm going to be flying into ATL on 9/10 and spending a week in Ft. Benning
> for some training.  I will have evenings to kill.  If anyone is nearby,
> I'd
> love to have a meet and greet.
>
>
> --
> Rory Morrison
> Oroville, WA
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> 1982 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] 1974 240D $700 or 1982 300SD $800?

[redghost]

Gump is simple as a rock.  No opening in the roof, just leaks in the 
front and rear.  Fresh rubber should fix that.


On Aug 28, 2006, at 10:23 PM, kevin kraly wrote:

When I was parting out the $100 220D, the guy had the alt out in about 
5
minutes.  I'm sure that the 300D has AC in it (all of them that I've 
seen
were so equipped).  Does Gump have the rare factory manual sunroof?  
The
1972 220 gasser did, and I hope that the 240D does too although it's 
just

another place to develop a leak here in the rainy northwest.

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon


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Re: [MBZ] 1974 240D $700 or 1982 300SD $800?

[kevin kraly]

When I was parting out the $100 220D, the guy had the alt out in about 5 
minutes.  I'm sure that the 300D has AC in it (all of them that I've seen 
were so equipped).  Does Gump have the rare factory manual sunroof?  The 
1972 220 gasser did, and I hope that the 240D does too although it's just 
another place to develop a leak here in the rainy northwest.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 

Re: [MBZ] 1974 240D $700 or 1982 300SD $800?

[redghost]

That is just retarded!  He must have had to dig past all the AC junk to 
get to it.  On Gump I was able to swap it out in ten minutes.


On Aug 28, 2006, at 9:38 PM, kevin kraly wrote:

If the heater blower motor isn't working, I'm passing on it.  I don't 
think
that the alternator belt on the W115 240D's are much of a problem, at 
least
the one on the $100 220D wasn't.  I remember a post quite a while ago 
where

someone (stewart S I believe?) was  discussing the 4 hour alternator
replacement on his 1976 300D.

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon


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[MBZ] FW: You have been unsubscribed from the Banned mailing list

[Frank Pembleton]

You forgot to kick me out of MBZ too, YOU IDIOT

-Original Message-
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Dear Den:
I guess Klebbie was caught red-handed stealing posts from Todd's list,
and didn't like it when I told everyone.

I take pride in being Banned from Banned!

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Re: [MBZ] 1974 240D $700 or 1982 300SD $800?

[kevin kraly]

If the heater blower motor isn't working, I'm passing on it.  I don't think 
that the alternator belt on the W115 240D's are much of a problem, at least 
the one on the $100 220D wasn't.  I remember a post quite a while ago where 
someone (stewart S I believe?) was  discussing the 4 hour alternator 
replacement on his 1976 300D.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 

Re: [MBZ] waterpump fee

[kevin kraly]

Must have oversize pistons.

Maybe, it's got a 2.5T engine in it.  Now that would be worth $600 I'm sure!

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon, yatta yatta yatta 

Re: [MBZ] waterpump fee

[kevin kraly]

He wants $600 for a rusted out beaten up car that needs work to be driven? 
Wow!  If this $700 Jewel is how it's been described to me, I'm jumpin' on 
it!  Oh yeah, that "**RARE**" 250D model must be somethin' special.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon, still between Mercedes diesels 

Re: [MBZ] waterpump fee

[Zeitgeist]

Must have oversize pistons.

On 8/28/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> 250D?  I have a water pump for this

240, 250.  Whatever it takes.  (Mr. Mom reference!)

Casey

Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (217k)
'84 300D (216k)
Gashuffer:
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Re: [MBZ] waterpump fee

[Jim Cathey]

250D?  I have a water pump for this


240, 250.  Whatever it takes.  (Mr. Mom reference!)

-- Jim

[MBZ] waterpump fee

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/199983082.html

250D?  I have a water pump for this

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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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[MBZ] retard or wagon

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/200028244.html

The sellers get so cute with describing cars, TD, that means something, 
and not turbo diesel.  Show a picture or saw wagon, sedan

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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that OK wrote:

> I wonder if you can squeeze the oil out of the corn, then convert
> the left-over starches to ethanol ---  have your cake and eat it
> too.
> >
> > We grow a lot of soybeans here too, and a fair amount of canola,
> > but corn is king and the prospect of converting the nation's fleet
> > to diesel -- a proven technology with an established network of
> > fuel supply stations -- is, maddeningly, less appealing to The
> > Powers That Be than developing a new dual-fuel technology and
> > creating a new distribution network for ethanol.

I believe that would work fine. I recall reading it somewhere as well.
For ethenol, the mash need only to have the starch. It would seem that
extracting the oil first would only improve the yield.

--   Philip, not a chemist

Re: [MBZ] 1974 240D $700 or 1982 300SD $800?

[OK Don]

IMHO, the 115 chassis "drives better" than the 123.The 126 is better yet!
However, I'd FAR rather work on a 123 240D than a 115 240D, given the
choice! At least if the 115 has air conditioning. Even tightening the
alternator belt could be a pain on that car, and we won't even mention
the heater blower motor 

OK - I could be wrong - my experiences were with the 220D and the 300D
115 cars - never actually laid hands under the hood of a 115 240D.

On 8/28/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

do the w115.  You will enjoy the ability to putter around on it and
know it is simple to work on.  Then any other car you get after that
will be such a speed demon  you will be amazed.  You will also fondly
recall what a stout steed that old 240D was.




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exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
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Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[Zeitgeist]

You need to get out of Seattle proper, in order to see the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
their stoopid SUVs w/W stickers.  They're everywhere in the 'burbs'.

On 8/28/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Now where are you seeing that?  Up in my neck of the woods, the 'tards
are driving humongo Ford or caddy things and support anybody but W.
All sorts of bleeding heart save the gay legislator stickers and kill
bush, missing idiot stuff

Casey

Olympia, WA
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'87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k)
'84 300D (216k)
Gashuffer:
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Re: [MBZ] Slightly OT Cars in WA

[redghost]

The Saab was THE car to be seen in if you were up and coming during the 
80's here.  Then the gen X kids started to have kids and remembered how 
great those ads voiced by Donald Sutherland were.  Also, for some 
reason, the Subaru became a political statement of ones gender 
preference.


There are a number of really great shape Saabs at PnP.  No idea what 
killed them. No rust, nice interior, no crash damage, just ... end of 
the road?


On Aug 27, 2006, at 7:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:


On 8/27/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Saab is just too ... rich for their blood, even though there
is a ... was a large Scandehoovian population.  Saabs are found near
Redmond, the evil capitol of all suckitude.  Microserfs like the Saab,
as well as volvo.


Huh, when I lived in Seattle 10+ years ago I drove a Saab (a 1980
normally aspirated 900 5-door, RIP) and saw lots of others.  Of course
the latter may have something to do with the fact that mine spent a
lot of time at the two well-known Saab repair shops on the west
side---R & H on Aurora Ave, and Saabmasters somewhere up in Greenwood,
IIRC.  I always thought an old Saab was an ideal Seattle car,
actually.  With the FWD and heavily front-biased weight distribution
you never had trouble starting on hills.  (I guess a Subaru with the
hill-holder would be good too.)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

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Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[redghost]

Uhm...

yes

damn, I agreed with him


On Aug 27, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:

Having spent a considerable amount of time in the Gulf, along the 
Texas and
Louisiana shoreline, I can tell you quite emphatically that I DO NOT 
want
refineries in my backyard.  Sending em to China is fine with me.  I 
hope and

pray for their sake, that they consider the inevitable environmental
consequences as they assume that role.

Here in Warshington, we're setting up a number of biodiesel 
"refineries",
which may or may not be less of an environmental hazard; it still 
remains to

be seen, but that's a risk we're willing to take at this point.  One
scheduled biodiesel plant is slated to be the largest in the nation.

Our energy future will be required to be multi-modal, rather than 
solely
reliant on one or two primary sources.  So far, there's no one silver 
bullet

envisioned to replace evil petrol.


Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (218k)
'84 300D (216k)
Gashuffer:
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Re: [MBZ] 1974 240D $700 or 1982 300SD $800?

[redghost]

do the w115.  You will enjoy the ability to putter around on it and 
know it is simple to work on.  Then any other car you get after that 
will be such a speed demon  you will be amazed.  You will also fondly 
recall what a stout steed that old 240D was.


On Aug 27, 2006, at 2:12 PM, kevin kraly wrote:

I'm ready to put my $700 from the sale of the 300CD into another car.  
I put
an ad out there for a cheap fixer, and I've got options.  The first is 
a

Manny tranny 1974 240D with crank windows (imagine that!) that runs and
looks good, starts dependably and has  no issues other than a dying 
battery
from being in storage for the past few years.  Since it's not at the 
lady's
house, she didn't know the mileage, but I'll be looking at it later in 
the
week.  The second is a 1982 300SD with 290K on it, it needs tires, 
it's got
power window problems, a stuck sunroof, non-working ACC and cruise 
control,
and I believe it also has an oil leak (no idea of where and how severe 
it
is).  The guy has been trying to sell this car placing multiple ads 
with no
luck.  I like both models, but the 300SD seems like it needs someone 
like
Jim Cathey to sort it all out, not necessarily a bad deal.  The 240D 
is rock

solid and simple, so...?
I just can't go too long without a Mercedes diesel!

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon, on the hunt again


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[MBZ] Speaking of nano technology, something useful right now

[RELNGSON]

Another quote from a 2007 MB brochure:

Nano-particle paint:

MB incorporates microscopic ceramic nano-particles into the clearcoat of the 
paint. Each ceramic nano-particle is tens of thousands of times thinner than a 
human hair (just 0.01 millimeters in diameter), but when joined together 
they are incredibly durable. When the clearcoat is applied, the nano-particles 
float around freely in the liquid paint. As the paint cures, the particles 
cross-link into a strong dense network, almost like an invisible chain-link 
fence. The resulting finish offers considerably greater and longer-lasting 
resistance to fine scratches - such as those caused by car washes and 
environmental 
factors - than conventional paint finishes, for an enduring deep gloss.

Close quote.

RLE

[MBZ] Bio in BLUETEC?

[RELNGSON]

Quoting from a 2007 E-Class brochure:

Mercedes-Benz approves the use of B5 bio-diesel (approved diesel fuel with a 
maximum of 5% bio diesel content) in all CDI/BLUETEC engines. The only 
approved bio-diesel content is one that both meets ASTM D6751 specifications 
and has 
the oxidation stability necessary to prevent deposit-/corrosion-related 
damages to the system (min. 6h, proven by EN14112 method). The MB limited 
warranty 
does not cover damage caused by non-MB approved fuel standards.

Close quote.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[redghost]

Now where are you seeing that?  Up in my neck of the woods, the 'tards 
are driving humongo Ford or caddy things and support anybody but W.  
All sorts of bleeding heart save the gay legislator stickers and kill 
bush, missing idiot stuff


On Aug 27, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Zeitgeist wrote:

Or, more accurately, it's all the rightwing [EMAIL PROTECTED] dragging their 
obese
asses along in their fullsize Ford Valdez SUVs with W'04 bumper 
stickers

firmly affixed.

Whei, I feel better now!

On 8/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The big problem is all the environmentalist left wing wackos.



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'84 300D (216k)
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Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:
> 
> I wonder if you can squeeze the oil out of the corn, then convert the
> left-over starches to ethanol ---  have your cake and eat it too.

And I believe there's a lot more starch in the stalk than in the seed.
(although the seed is easier to transport than silage)

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[OK Don]

There are few folks working on Diesel-electric cars - Diesel turns the
generator at a constant speed, elecrticity generated turns the wheels
- just like a locomotive. That might be the ticket 

On 8/28/06, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Small diesels are much more efficient, look at the VW engines that get close
to hybrid mileage. The problem is that the government seems to be focusing
on anything new coming out of the chute and hybrids are the latest "fad".
I'm sure that another technology will kick hybrids out of center stage just
like hybrids kicked out electric vehicles.




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Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light

[Jim Cathey]

Thanks for the help, all---I will take the wheels off and investigate
all the wiring closely. So there's no way the pads could just be worn
and cause an always-flickering light (as opposed to one that flickers
only when the pedal is pressed)?


Normally they're supposed to light only when the brakes are pressed,
but if you let it go on it gets progressively worse in that they light
more often.  But the times I've had the flicker right from the start
it's been a problem with the wire routing, or the sensor being ruined.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Anyone want to buy 4 126 wheels?

[OK Don]

Perhaps you should buy the new wheels before you sell the old ones?  ;-)

FYI - all 6 wheels that came with the300D 2.5 were after market. When
I'm ready to put new wheels on the 450SLC, they'll be 8 hole ones from
Tirerack.

On 8/28/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am going to be buying snow tires soon and I think I will upgrade to
the 8 hole wheels on my 126.   So, I would like to sell the wheels I
have.  They are in very nice shape.  Standard 15 hole wheels currently
on my 1990 300SEL.



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"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[OK Don]

I wonder if you can squeeze the oil out of the corn, then convert the
left-over starches to ethanol ---  have your cake and eat it too.


We grow a lot of soybeans here too, and a fair amount of canola, but
corn is king and the prospect of converting the nation's fleet to
diesel -- a proven technology with an established network of fuel
supply stations -- is, maddeningly, less appealing to The Powers That
Be than developing a new dual-fuel technology and creating a new
distribution network for ethanol.

--mf


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"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] Atlanta/Ft Benning trip

[Zeitgeist]

Hey, it's the School of the Americas.  Say hi to Father Roy Bourgeois for
me.

On 8/28/06, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm a Firearms Instructor for US Customs.  I'm going to Field Armorer
Training.



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (217k)
'84 300D (216k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

[OK Don]

I haven't found whether the US will be getting both the vergasser and
the Diesel models, or only one.

If you're worried about riding/driving one - watch the video of the
off-set crash test of the Smart and a W140 ---

My concern is the ride - I rode in a Mini the other day on a road that
is a little rough in the W124 - the Mini threw us all over the seats,
even belted in. Dampened my interest in Mini's considerably.

On 8/28/06, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The Smart is on sale in Canada since late 2005, and you are getting them
next year (or so I believed I read somewhere), however not nationally,
mainly in larger urban markets.

Penske is importing them to the US and managing distribution, no?

I did not pay close attention to the news coverage.

In any case they start at about $19k Cdn, from memory, but many are selling
way over that.

--
"Mac"
Steve MacSween
Aylmer, Quebec (Canada)
Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s


on 8/28/06 8:21 PM, Constantine N. Polites at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> visit:http://www.smart.com/-snm-0155318764-1153205674-007006-010625-11
> 56703095-enm-is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/mpc-lu-content-Site/de_LU/-/-/SVCPr
> esentationPipeline-Start;sid=HP1hXZtVO-NhXd-k_4rpVRlfgsZpugVuFBq11osTX-lgMg==?
>
Page=issite%3a%2f%2fsmart-Site%2fsmart%2ecom%2fRootFolder%2fsmart%2fhome%2ep
ag> e
> diesel models of smart get appx. 70mpg., price appx. 9,000 euro.
> plus dot plus epa
> Constantine.
>
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Luther Gulseth]

hell no.   The problem is the turbo.  Do you have a used one that's been in 
recent service?

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:07:48 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I will give him $500 for it.

LT Don wrote:


Doesn't seem that long ago that Luther was bragging about this cherry coupe
he stole for way under market value, and about how lucky he was to have
found it.







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'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] OT Energy and Nanotechnology

[OK Don]

There was a story a while back about nanotechnology being used with
lots of tiny tubes in parallel that

On 8/28/06, Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Nanotechnology could have a big impact on our future energy needs.  However, 
most of the amazing developments are still in the lab.

Some investors in CA are gearing up to produce nano solar panels that are 
suppose to out perform anything out there now.

In the lab they have produced material that pound for pound is 100 times the 
strength of steel and 1/6 the weight.

Batteries are being constructed like capacitors that can be recharged in 
seconds and minutes, weigh less and last much longer.

 This site provides the latest news:  http://www.nano.gov/html/news/current.html

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans
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Re: [MBZ] Problem with threads on rear hub

[OK Don]

I had a similar situation with a rear lug bolt on the 450SLC. I used a
tap (I didn't know about thread chasers - that's what I'll use next
time) to clean out the threads. It removes the metal that's where it's
not supposed to be. I verified that the new bolt went in smoothly,
then removed it. There is a package at auto parts stores - a thread
restorer, or something. It's epoxy with an anti-stick coating for the
bolt. I filled the tapped threads with the epoxy, painted the slippery
stuff on the bolt and screwed it in to finger tight. Let it harden
over night. Then I removed the bolt - verifying that I could - then
torqued it in place. It's held just fine ever since.
I figure that the threads are holding the wheel on - the epoxy is just
filling the extra spaces that are too big.

On 8/28/06, Kevin J. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You don't happen to know what the tap specifics are for the wheel lug
bolts do you? And where does one find a tap in these days of big box
stores with 80% of what you need?

If the threads are already too big a tap won't help much. What to do in
that case I wonder?

...Kevin


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'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I will give him $500 for it.

LT Don wrote:


Doesn't seem that long ago that Luther was bragging about this cherry coupe
he stole for way under market value, and about how lucky he was to have
found it.

On 8/28/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Burned more oil on the trip there and back, something like 1qt/200 or less
milesmakes me think I'm on the right track, just have 2 leaky turbos
now.


On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:24:54 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



keep us posted.

Luther Gulseth wrote:



Remember this one?  1qt oil burned every 250-300 miles.  Compression is


all 320-380, injectors are clean and good spray.  Runs like a scared cat
(right Kaleb?).  Very minimal drops of oil (2-5 during 9 hours at work)
under car each day and no spray on the bottom or back of the car like my
SD.  Where's the oil going?


I R&R'd the turbo today with the one from the '82 300D.  Getting the


turbo off the Blue Bomber was a pain.  Spent nearly 1.5 hours on the
bottom front nut.  Some Kroil, lots of time, and finally the longest 3/8"
ratchet that we had with a pipe wrench on the end at a right angle.  Pushing
against the pipe wrenchdigging a trench in the ground with my feet, the
nut finally gave way.  Anyway.getting the turbo off the CD was MUCH
easier...less than 30 mins.  First thing I noticed when I pulled the turbo
off the CD...the intake manifold inside was COVERED in FRESH oil.  Same with
the little tube between turbo and manifold and the turbo inside
itself.  There are very minimal amounts of oil in the air cleaner and pipe
that connects to the turbo intake.  I am fairly certian this is (was?) the
cause of my oil loss.  I will know for sure when I arrive back from StL on
Monday.



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

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 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone want to buy 4 126 wheels?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

email me offlist with how much you want for them.

Donald Snook wrote:


I am going to be buying snow tires soon and I think I will upgrade to
the 8 hole wheels on my 126.   So, I would like to sell the wheels I
have.  They are in very nice shape.  Standard 15 hole wheels currently
on my 1990 300SEL.  

 


Donald H. Snook

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300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Entirely OT

[Luther Gulseth]

12 AA herehave 3 pairs of the 99x shoes.  Love them to death...their death.

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:38:51 -0500, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Larry T wrote:


"I'm also a big fan of New Balance - "IMHO a huge part of the population
should

be wearing Wides but because they're not available everywhere they buy

Medium/Regular and suffer because of it."


I love New Balance Running Shoes because they come in Narrow!  You think
finding wides is hard, you try finding a 12 Narrow.


Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K





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'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

Well... maybe we could talk the Amish into growing more corn and process 
it themselves, then we could take petrolium  energy pretty much out of 
the picture.

I wouldn't mind having a bunch of Amish bio fuel barons running around :-)

--Robert

L. Mark Finch wrote:
Here in Hoosierland, the government is all excited about ethanol.   
Call me cynical, but I think that's largely because there's a lot of  
corn grown around here, and in a farm state finding a new market for  
corn is a politically Good Thing. But according to a recent Car and  
Driver story, it takes so much energy to produce ethanol that the net  
energy gain is very small (go check out http://www.caranddriver.com/ 
features/11174/tech-stuff-ethanol-promises.html for more).


We grow a lot of soybeans here too, and a fair amount of canola, but  
corn is king and the prospect of converting the nation's fleet to  
diesel -- a proven technology with an established network of fuel  
supply stations -- is, maddeningly, less appealing to The Powers That  
Be than developing a new dual-fuel technology and creating a new  
distribution network for ethanol.


--mf


On Aug 28, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Tom Hargrave wrote:

  
Small diesels are much more efficient, look at the VW engines that  
get close
to hybrid mileage. The problem is that the government seems to be  
focusing
on anything new coming out of the chute and hybrids are the latest  
"fad".
I'm sure that another technology will kick hybrids out of center  
stage just

like hybrids kicked out electric vehicles.



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Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

[Steve MacSween]

The Smart is on sale in Canada since late 2005, and you are getting them
next year (or so I believed I read somewhere), however not nationally,
mainly in larger urban markets.

Penske is importing them to the US and managing distribution, no?

I did not pay close attention to the news coverage.

In any case they start at about $19k Cdn, from memory, but many are selling
way over that.

-- 
"Mac"
Steve MacSween
Aylmer, Quebec (Canada)
Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s


on 8/28/06 8:21 PM, Constantine N. Polites at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> visit:http://www.smart.com/-snm-0155318764-1153205674-007006-010625-11
> 56703095-enm-is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/mpc-lu-content-Site/de_LU/-/-/SVCPr
> esentationPipeline-Start;sid=HP1hXZtVO-NhXd-k_4rpVRlfgsZpugVuFBq11osTX-lgMg==?
> 
Page=issite%3a%2f%2fsmart-Site%2fsmart%2ecom%2fRootFolder%2fsmart%2fhome%2ep
ag> e
> diesel models of smart get appx. 70mpg., price appx. 9,000 euro.
> plus dot plus epa
> Constantine.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Luther Gulseth]

The air filter housing was swapped in from the '82 300D a while back.  The air 
cleaner2turbo elbow and turbo intake are oil free now.  Blowby has minimal 
amounts of oil if placed into a collection container.

Luther

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:46:12 -0500, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Very very likely bad bearings in the turbo causing worn seals to leak
oil into the turbo intake.

The other possibility is badly worn valve guides (or incorrectly
installed ones) -- this will cause excessive blowby up the valve stems,
atomizing the oil and carrying the mist through the mist trap into the
intake.  A bad oil separator (leaking down the intake instead of
removing the oil and running it back into the sump) will do the same
thing.  Check out the oil separator especially, as I seem to remember
there is an o-ring that can go bad, causing the oil to run into the
filter housing.  There is also, I believe, a foot valve sort of thing
on the botton -- it that gets stuck, oil will overflow into the intake.

That oil drip is good for a quart in a thousand mils or less, and may
be related to the oil in the intake.

Peter






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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[LT Don]

Doesn't seem that long ago that Luther was bragging about this cherry coupe
he stole for way under market value, and about how lucky he was to have
found it.

On 8/28/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Burned more oil on the trip there and back, something like 1qt/200 or less
milesmakes me think I'm on the right track, just have 2 leaky turbos
now.


On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:24:54 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> keep us posted.
>
> Luther Gulseth wrote:
>
>> Remember this one?  1qt oil burned every 250-300 miles.  Compression is
all 320-380, injectors are clean and good spray.  Runs like a scared cat
(right Kaleb?).  Very minimal drops of oil (2-5 during 9 hours at work)
under car each day and no spray on the bottom or back of the car like my
SD.  Where's the oil going?
>>
>> I R&R'd the turbo today with the one from the '82 300D.  Getting the
turbo off the Blue Bomber was a pain.  Spent nearly 1.5 hours on the
bottom front nut.  Some Kroil, lots of time, and finally the longest 3/8"
ratchet that we had with a pipe wrench on the end at a right angle.  Pushing
against the pipe wrenchdigging a trench in the ground with my feet, the
nut finally gave way.  Anyway.getting the turbo off the CD was MUCH
easier...less than 30 mins.  First thing I noticed when I pulled the turbo
off the CD...the intake manifold inside was COVERED in FRESH oil.  Same with
the little tube between turbo and manifold and the turbo inside
itself.  There are very minimal amounts of oil in the air cleaner and pipe
that connects to the turbo intake.  I am fairly certian this is (was?) the
cause of my oil loss.  I will know for sure when I arrive back from StL on
Monday.
>>
>



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Luther Gulseth]

Burned more oil on the trip there and back, something like 1qt/200 or less 
milesmakes me think I'm on the right track, just have 2 leaky turbos 
now.


On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:24:54 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


keep us posted.

Luther Gulseth wrote:


Remember this one?  1qt oil burned every 250-300 miles.  Compression is all 
320-380, injectors are clean and good spray.  Runs like a scared cat (right 
Kaleb?).  Very minimal drops of oil (2-5 during 9 hours at work) under car each 
day and no spray on the bottom or back of the car like my SD.  Where's the oil 
going?

I R&R'd the turbo today with the one from the '82 300D.  Getting the turbo off the 
Blue Bomber was a pain.  Spent nearly 1.5 hours on the bottom front nut.  Some Kroil, 
lots of time, and finally the longest 3/8" ratchet that we had with a pipe wrench 
on the end at a right angle.  Pushing against the pipe wrenchdigging a trench in the 
ground with my feet, the nut finally gave way.  Anyway.getting the turbo off the CD 
was MUCH easier...less than 30 mins.  First thing I noticed when I pulled the turbo off 
the CD...the intake manifold inside was COVERED in FRESH oil.  Same with the little tube 
between turbo and manifold and the turbo inside itself.  There are very minimal amounts 
of oil in the air cleaner and pipe that connects to the turbo intake.  I am fairly 
certian this is (was?) the cause of my oil loss.  I will know for sure when I arrive 
back from StL on Monday.







--
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

[dave walton]

Man, they look cute. Perfect for the golf course or maybe some
secluded island. No way I'd ever drive in traffic with one - even if I
felt lucky that day.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 8/28/06, Constantine N. Polites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

visit:http://www.smart.com/-snm-0155318764-1153205674-007006-010625-1156703095-enm-is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/mpc-lu-content-Site/de_LU/-/-/SVCPresentationPipeline-Start;sid=HP1hXZtVO-NhXd-k_4rpVRlfgsZpugVuFBq11osTX-lgMg==?Page=issite%3a%2f%2fsmart-Site%2fsmart%2ecom%2fRootFolder%2fsmart%2fhome%2epage
diesel models of smart get appx. 70mpg., price appx. 9,000 euro.
plus dot plus epa
Constantine.


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[MBZ] see diesel models

[Constantine N. Polites]

visit:http://www.smart.com/-snm-0155318764-1153205674-007006-010625-1156703095-enm-is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/mpc-lu-content-Site/de_LU/-/-/SVCPresentationPipeline-Start;sid=HP1hXZtVO-NhXd-k_4rpVRlfgsZpugVuFBq11osTX-lgMg==?Page=issite%3a%2f%2fsmart-Site%2fsmart%2ecom%2fRootFolder%2fsmart%2fhome%2epage
diesel models of smart get appx. 70mpg., price appx. 9,000 euro. 
plus dot plus epa

Constantine.

Re: [MBZ] Entirely OT

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 8/28/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Try these folks. They have wide new balance shoes. I buy almost all my
> shoes from them. I wear an 8 EE (No jokes; I have heard them).

So why the stupid sizing system, anyway?  Weren't there any more
letters left after E?  'Lefty' was in charge of sizing lasts, and
ran out of fingers 'cause he only had one hand?  By my reckoning,
your shoes ought to be an 8J.  Just a peeve of mine.




IIRC, bra sizes appear to work that way, but actually don't---e.g., a
DD cup is not the same as an E cup.  If you're looking for logic in
clothing sizes, you'll be looking a long time.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] W124 wiper motor

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 8/28/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm attempting to lube the wiper assembly, as suggested by this thread.  I
can't seem to find the 2 catches at 5 and 7 o'clock - are they on the arm
(after I pulled off the rectangular cover) or on the big black base?  Also,
what direction do the catches move?  I don't have a dental mirror, so I'm
kind of lost here.

Lastly, how much pulls off?  Help?



I'd like to know the answer to that one too.  I've had the big black
base completely off the car (to R&R the heater blower) and still
couldn't figure out how to get to the gears inside after an hour of
looking for those little catches or anywhere else to pry.  I felt like
a Neanderthal trying to open a childproof aspirin bottle.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light

[David Brodbeck]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> Thanks for the help, all---I will take the wheels off and investigate
> all the wiring closely. So there's no way the pads could just be worn
> and cause an always-flickering light (as opposed to one that flickers
> only when the pedal is pressed)?

It seems unlikely, but when you take the wheels off you can inspect the
pads. Then you'll know for sure. ;)

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

[David Brodbeck]

Trampas wrote:
> Well I spend about $150-$170 a month on gas for my 420SEL which gets 19MPG.
> So if I went out and purchased a new hybrid, or more likely a manual TDI,
> that doubled my mileage I would save at most $100 a month. But at $100 a
> month it would take me 15-20 years to pay for the car.

No argument.  But there's a price of gasoline at which hybrids start to
make sense.  We're not there yet, but it wouldn't surprise me if we got
there in another decade.  I think Honda and Toyota know this and they're
investing in getting real-world experience with the technology.  When we
reach a point where hybrids make sense, they'll be ahead.  In that
regard all those Insights and Priuses they're selling at a loss
represent a sort of beta-test program.

Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light

[Alex Chamberlain]

Thanks for the help, all---I will take the wheels off and investigate
all the wiring closely. So there's no way the pads could just be worn
and cause an always-flickering light (as opposed to one that flickers
only when the pedal is pressed)?

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper