Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
I got in a wreck weds eve... Trying to figure out whether they'd total it.. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 25, 2014, at 14:00, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:48:19 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] W123 parts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Any ideas what I'd be looking at in parts-- 123.133, hood, grille, driver fender, metal behind grille, drivers lamps, condenser, radiator, etc. Strangely enough I have a oil cooler. Are you looking to sell said parts or purchase? I know someone asked already, but I don't recall the answer... And I could use said parts for I wrecked one I own... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel
Wow - that's really interesting -- that VW owners are so uncaring about the upkeep of their cars. I wonder if they were leases or owned? Of course the data to be analyzed is pretty extensive. IMO most car shoppers are interestied oin one thing - what's my ,onthly payment? Advertisers pounce on this also - watch some car commercials and all the push is only $199/onth! and on and on -- and when the shoppers show up they don't hear residuals, interest rates, etc - alll the noral things people should be interestied in when making a major Lease or purchase.Your cousins experience proves this out - unfortunately. Our spiral down to becoming a throw away society. So, a CDI? Are you pretty comfortable with the build quality? LarryT On 7/25/2014 4:48 PM, clay wrote: Sounds about as rare as Unicorns. A CDI benz should fit the bill fine. Most of the other diesel cars available in USA are going to be junk or worse as used examples. My cousin sold VW, and loved them fresh off the lot. He was less than impressed with what showed up in trades or how rare it was that one would meet CPO requirements. His opinion was Avoid At All Cost. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 25, 2014, at 1:22 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: Hi Ya'll, One of these days I will have to give up on the 91 300D and start looking for something newer for my wife. I prefer to stay with Diesels and while I would like to stay with MB I'm not sure the quality is there, but that's just based on anecdotal comments. I'd probably want something built between 2005 and 2013 but naturally something built in 2013 will need to be pretty low priced.That'd be hard to find so mid 00's is more realistic. I wouldn't mind a car needing paint work but other than that everything must work and be in good condition and with low miles. The everything must work requirement is something IMO that shows how well a car was built - all the little details often fail on many cars even if the drive train keeps going. Getting that amazing oil analysis report on my 300D a few weeks back really surprised me. I have used synthetic oil since it had 99,000 miles on it for all I know the PO used synthetic as well. Maybe that accounts for the excellent condition? I had thought I'd need another car sooner than later but I'll have to rethink that... So what diesels are out there with acceptable build quality? Volvo? Actually Volvo's build quality is unknown to me. Any idea's? Thx LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel
That is insightful, as some time ago when I was looking for a car for the youngest son I seriously considered both Jettas and Passats. Nearly every used one I looked at had issues or a history of lousy maintenance (if any.) My brother owned an early 2000s Passat that he bought new. It was a PITA from a parts standpoint, especially with window regulators for some reason. He got to the point where he just kept his right rear window wedged in place, as they replaced I don't know how many regulators. The worst part was that when they did fail, none were to be found in the States and they had to come from Germany. Often took 2-3 weeks or more. Too bad, as I like the Passat. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:01 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wow - that's really interesting -- that VW owners are so uncaring about the upkeep of their cars. I wonder if they were leases or owned? Of course the data to be analyzed is pretty extensive. IMO most car shoppers are interestied oin one thing - what's my ,onthly payment? Advertisers pounce on this also - watch some car commercials and all the push is only $199/onth! and on and on -- and when the shoppers show up they don't hear residuals, interest rates, etc - alll the noral things people should be interestied in when making a major Lease or purchase.Your cousins experience proves this out - unfortunately. Our spiral down to becoming a throw away society. So, a CDI? Are you pretty comfortable with the build quality? LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Nearly Vanquished
This morning on my bike ride a NJ ahole in an Aston Martin Vanquish made a left turn right in front of me with no signal. Money can't buy class, courtesy, or intelligence. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Porch v. Bambi
http://jalopnik.com/watch-this-deer-gets-absolutely-obliterated-by-a-911-g-1611215533 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Porch v. Bambi
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: http://jalopnik.com/watch-this-deer-gets-absolutely-obliterated-by-a-911-g-1611215533 I bet he's real glad that black car passed him right before they got to the deer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel
I've repeatedly been shocked by what VW owners will accept. People will live with dead glow plugs (and attendant CEL) for months or years as long as the car starts relatively well. Their cars belch smoke, start hard, slurp fuel and they just kind of shrug its a couple years old. Its weird because theres nothing really that complicated or hard to work on. With used TDIs people have been told about how reliable they are and how good the mileage is so they assume they can buy one cheap and run it for nothing which of course is crazy. Worst yet is they'll either run the timing belt way longer than its proper change interval or they'll replace it with the cheapest parts they can get which leads to timing belt failure and of course its time for major work at that point. The '99.5 and later engines have the water pump driven from the timing belt which is changed only every 100,000 miles. Smart people change the timing belt and water pump (and intermediate shaft seals and serpentine belt) at the same time since water pump failure will trash the timing belt. I don't see anything inherently wrong with the TDIs, mine has been a great car. I've driven it around 15,000 miles at this point and I've got maybe $3,000 in it total. I paid $1500 for the car, $400 for the timing belt/water pump (not required but we were already in there and the existing one was unknown) and a few other minor issues. Everything on my car works except the trunk lock popper which doesn't retract so you can unlock but it won't re-lock. I just need to clean it, the lock tumbler needs cleaning too, I'll do both at the same time. This car will last as long as the body holds out. I need to do some major metal replacement in the passenger rockers and some surface rust cleanup. I figure I've got maybe another 3 years that it'll last. At that point I'll look for another A3 like mine or a B4 (same vintage) Passat if I can find one rust free. If I can't get an A3 or B4 I'll step up to an A4 Jetta/Golf or B5.5 Passat with a VE engine which ended in 2003. I don't want to go to the PD (Pump Duese) engine due to excess complexity with to my mind no real gains. The PD engines also have weak camshafts and some other known failure points. When my Jetta rots out I want to find a nice Suzuki Samurai or Sidekick to put the engine into. I'll build that into a dedicate offroad rig with diff lockers and 33 tires. Theres a kit to put the engine in with a 5spd transmission and transfer case from a Toyota pickup. My engine has 250,000 miles and I don't see any problem taking it to 400,000 or beyond although it'll probably need top end work at some point down the road. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel That is insightful, as some time ago when I was looking for a car for the youngest son I seriously considered both Jettas and Passats. Nearly every used one I looked at had issues or a history of lousy maintenance (if any.) My brother owned an early 2000s Passat that he bought new. It was a PITA from a parts standpoint, especially with window regulators for some reason. He got to the point where he just kept his right rear window wedged in place, as they replaced I don't know how many regulators. The worst part was that when they did fail, none were to be found in the States and they had to come from Germany. Often took 2-3 weeks or more. Too bad, as I like the Passat. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Nearly Vanquished
I've had that happen with BMW drivers mostly. A quick slap on the trunk lid usually gets me yelled at. One guy stopped and said How dare you! I explained that if he was close enough for me to slap he was too dammed close and if he'd like to call the police I'd explain my side of the story and he could explain his. Apparently he didn't like that idea much and took off in a huff. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 10:25 AM Subject: [MBZ] Nearly Vanquished This morning on my bike ride a NJ ahole in an Aston Martin Vanquish made a left turn right in front of me with no signal. Money can't buy class, courtesy, or intelligence. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Porch v. Bambi
Thats amazing and horrible, can't even see it coming. I went back and played the video a bunch of times and you can spot just a blur coming from the side... From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: [MBZ] Porch v. Bambi http://jalopnik.com/watch-this-deer-gets-absolutely-obliterated-by-a-911-g-1611215533 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Car stuff
The shopping area down the road has a Cars and Coffee every few Saturdays. Last week there were some pretty cool cars there including a brand-new Ferrari 458. There is a pic at the link. http://www.postandcourier.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=CPDate=20140725Category=PC2107ArtNo=724009998Ref=PH and more story here http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140725/PC2107/140729660 Turns out this Ferrari woman and her husband live next door to a friend on Kiawah (my friend's husband is a big shot in a Large Corporation) and apparently have quite the Ferrari collection. I see some around occasionally, not sure if the cars are theirs or belong to others (quite likely). The guy Gordon King in the photo next to the 458 lives up the road from me, has a very interesting collection of about 30 cars, I got a tour last summer. He is a very nice guy, South African originally, his dad was the local BP guy in SA and so he was quite involved in all the racing activities in SA. Gordon grew up around all the old GP racers in the 50s and 60s, and started racing himself as soon as he was old enough to buy a car. At some point he decided there was no money in it, so he moved to the US and started a company selling disaster supplies, and has done very well with it. He has mostly passed it on to his kids and fools with the cars he has, and races them here and there. I was over at the get together early on, he must have showed up later as I did not see him around. I don't recall him having any Ferraris, maybe one in his mix. I talked a bit to the owner of the old Bentley in the story, a woman who got it from her dad, who had bought it in AZ (I think she said) when it was a few years old. She had a bunch of old photos showing it in England when it was painted green (she said so it wouldn't show the moss and mold growing on it) but at some point it was repainted in the red/black. It was otherwise pretty much original and quite spacious. She said she drove it a bit and enjoyed it. She said she was still researching the car, and working with the RROC in England and the US, and they had a lot of info but there were some details that were still obscure, including who was in some of the photos she had dug up. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
Ouch. List people are savvy on how to deal with the insurance vultures. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:21 AM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I got in a wreck weds eve... Trying to figure out whether they'd total it.. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 25, 2014, at 14:00, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:48:19 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] W123 parts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Any ideas what I'd be looking at in parts-- 123.133, hood, grille, driver fender, metal behind grille, drivers lamps, condenser, radiator, etc. Strangely enough I have a oil cooler. Are you looking to sell said parts or purchase? I know someone asked already, but I don't recall the answer... And I could use said parts for I wrecked one I own... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel
I agree - begore reading the comments on this list I would have had a VW diesel near the top of my list. Sounds like I am back to MB -- if I can find one I can afford... Its a shame -- I also was a fan of Passats an Jettas - would have liked a wagon .. Larry On 7/26/2014 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: That is insightful, as some time ago when I was looking for a car for the youngest son I seriously considered both Jettas and Passats. Nearly every used one I looked at had issues or a history of lousy maintenance (if any.) My brother owned an early 2000s Passat that he bought new. It was a PITA from a parts standpoint, especially with window regulators for some reason. He got to the point where he just kept his right rear window wedged in place, as they replaced I don't know how many regulators. The worst part was that when they did fail, none were to be found in the States and they had to come from Germany. Often took 2-3 weeks or more. Too bad, as I like the Passat. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:01 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wow - that's really interesting -- that VW owners are so uncaring about the upkeep of their cars. I wonder if they were leases or owned? Of course the data to be analyzed is pretty extensive. IMO most car shoppers are interestied oin one thing - what's my ,onthly payment? Advertisers pounce on this also - watch some car commercials and all the push is only $199/onth! and on and on -- and when the shoppers show up they don't hear residuals, interest rates, etc - alll the noral things people should be interestied in when making a major Lease or purchase.Your cousins experience proves this out - unfortunately. Our spiral down to becoming a throw away society. So, a CDI? Are you pretty comfortable with the build quality? LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel
In fairness to VW, I've never heard much bad about the TDIs in any flavor. I had a friend who was a dolphin trainer for Busch Gardens when they had a dolphin show some years back. They closed down the show and moved the animals to Sea World over in Orlando, a good hour's drive from here. He was given the choice to keep his job but it would go to Sea World. He isn't a car guy, so he came to me looking for recommendations. I helped him find a Jetta TDI with a five speed manny. He loved the car and consistently got in the 40-50 mpg range from what he said. I don't recall him having any issues, but it's possible he never said anything about it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:18 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I agree - begore reading the comments on this list I would have had a VW diesel near the top of my list. Sounds like I am back to MB -- if I can find one I can afford... Its a shame -- I also was a fan of Passats an Jettas - would have liked a wagon .. Larry On 7/26/2014 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: That is insightful, as some time ago when I was looking for a car for the youngest son I seriously considered both Jettas and Passats. Nearly every used one I looked at had issues or a history of lousy maintenance (if any.) My brother owned an early 2000s Passat that he bought new. It was a PITA from a parts standpoint, especially with window regulators for some reason. He got to the point where he just kept his right rear window wedged in place, as they replaced I don't know how many regulators. The worst part was that when they did fail, none were to be found in the States and they had to come from Germany. Often took 2-3 weeks or more. Too bad, as I like the Passat. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:01 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wow - that's really interesting -- that VW owners are so uncaring about the upkeep of their cars. I wonder if they were leases or owned? Of course the data to be analyzed is pretty extensive. IMO most car shoppers are interestied oin one thing - what's my ,onthly payment? Advertisers pounce on this also - watch some car commercials and all the push is only $199/onth! and on and on -- and when the shoppers show up they don't hear residuals, interest rates, etc - alll the noral things people should be interestied in when making a major Lease or purchase.Your cousins experience proves this out - unfortunately. Our spiral down to becoming a throw away society. So, a CDI? Are you pretty comfortable with the build quality? LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Porch v. Bambi
I can't imagine how nasty that windshield must be. You could see all the blood and gore all over it. Could have been worse - could have been a moose! Dan whose sister was once bitten by a moose Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Thats amazing and horrible, can't even see it coming. I went back and played the video a bunch of times and you can spot just a blur coming from the side... From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: [MBZ] Porch v. Bambi http://jalopnik.com/watch-this-deer-gets-absolutely-obliterated-by-a-911-g-1611215533 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel
I suspect that most lower end cars are not maintained the same as the higher end cars. VW is lower (despite their attempts at up-scaling their advertising) and Mercedes are upper end cars. There are VWs that have been maintained well, but you're going to have to search for one, and know what you're looking at - like Curt did. Like most of us bottom feeding Mercedes owners (OK - I used to be in that category) . . . We like our Passat TDI, but won't likely sell it until we can't drive anymore, or it totally fails. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In fairness to VW, I've never heard much bad about the TDIs in any flavor. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel
I was in the market for the passat TDI wagon a few years back, but decided to check with my cousin, since he sold them. That was the swiftest scratch off the list conversation. Ended up holding onto the E300D, and SWBMA purchased some korean sedan loaded with bells and whistles. She is now dumping that for a toy oda. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:18 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: I agree - begore reading the comments on this list I would have had a VW diesel near the top of my list. Sounds like I am back to MB -- if I can find one I can afford... Its a shame -- I also was a fan of Passats an Jettas - would have liked a wagon .. Larry On 7/26/2014 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: That is insightful, as some time ago when I was looking for a car for the youngest son I seriously considered both Jettas and Passats. Nearly every used one I looked at had issues or a history of lousy maintenance (if any.) My brother owned an early 2000s Passat that he bought new. It was a PITA from a parts standpoint, especially with window regulators for some reason. He got to the point where he just kept his right rear window wedged in place, as they replaced I don't know how many regulators. The worst part was that when they did fail, none were to be found in the States and they had to come from Germany. Often took 2-3 weeks or more. Too bad, as I like the Passat. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:01 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wow - that's really interesting -- that VW owners are so uncaring about the upkeep of their cars. I wonder if they were leases or owned? Of course the data to be analyzed is pretty extensive. IMO most car shoppers are interestied oin one thing - what's my ,onthly payment? Advertisers pounce on this also - watch some car commercials and all the push is only $199/onth! and on and on -- and when the shoppers show up they don't hear residuals, interest rates, etc - alll the noral things people should be interestied in when making a major Lease or purchase.Your cousins experience proves this out - unfortunately. Our spiral down to becoming a throw away society. So, a CDI? Are you pretty comfortable with the build quality? LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car line. Russ W. On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7924 - Release Date: 07/26/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel
I have voice my uncertainty about the supposed risks of ethenol in gasoline. Well, about a week ago my one push mower started running really poorly. It acted like a fuel problem, so I kinda wondered if the ethenol muck had finally got me. This is the mower I use rather infrequently. I don't remember the last time I ran it long enough to use more than a tank full of fuel. And it's an old Briggs with a vented gas cap. I don't think I run it more than 3-4 times a year, typical for the last 15 years. In that time, I have very deliberately sought out and used nearly exclusively ethenol-blend gasoline. I pulled the tank off, opened up the carburetor - clean as a whistle. No sludge, no varnish, no gunk. It was so clean in seemed a waste of effort to wash it - but I did used carb cleaner to wash out a couple small pieces of dirt that settled in the bowl. The problem? A very worn needle valve. I didn't have a replacement on hand, so I filed it smooth and reinstalled. Runs okay - but I'm going to replace that needle valve and seat anyway. So - am I just lucky? Or is the real problem going to and/or from ethenol blend? I dunno - but my experience, with all my gasoline machines, suggests ethenol is good! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
I take exception to this statement. If flushing were such a bad thing, there would be literally tens of thousands of failed transmissions out there. I hear talk of fluid shock on occasion as well, and find this just as bogus. That is described as the condition where one drains and refills a transmission and the lack of dirty fluid full of old material causes the transmission or valve body to fail. Think about this logically: Dealers, indies and others have historically drained and replaced fluid in slushboxes for years. If there was the potential for damage or failure be replacing the fluid or flushing there's no way they would be doing it, for fear of having to buy the customer a new transmission. I've had a couple of non-MB transmissions flushed by competent independent mechanics. The last one was the wife's 2005 Mazda 6, which was flushed at the factory interval of 75k. It's worked perfectly since it was done. Some claim that by flushing or doing a complete drain and refill you take friction material that was floating around in the system and helping the clutches and bands to continue working. Bogus. Most of that material, not all, ends up in the filter. I had the discussion about fluid shock, which is the procedure you recommend to prevent such a condition, with a 20+ year MB line mechanic at my local dealership. He said that in his tenure he has never heard of such a thing, and that they regularly drain and refill transmissions all the time without ever encountering a failure. He thought it was funny. Just my $0.02. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car line. Russ W. On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7924 - Release Date: 07/26/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Porch v. Bambi
Somewhere, Richarde DeerSlayer is snickering 'cos it didn't happen to him... On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I can't imagine how nasty that windshield must be. You could see all the blood and gore all over it. Could have been worse - could have been a moose! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel
Yeah, I can see the problem with VW diesels are more owner problems than VW problems although VW's are made to be utility vehicles - some look better than others so they can sell as family cars but they are still economical cars (read cheap) and they have always been. when I was working at the dealership we had a list of parts that could be expected to fail at xx miles - muffler was good for 20K, starters could go 60K and so on - I am going from memory so my numbers may be off. point is, it's not a high end car as someone else pointed out. and it won't last like a MB - or like a MB should last. If they built them like MBs they would cost as much as MBs. OK - 2 questions: *does anyone have any experience with Audi diesels? or I should ask were there any audi diesels made in the 2000-2010 time frame that had good reputations? * and has MBs quality problems from the late 90s to early 00s? Thanks ya'll - this is very helpful Larryt On 7/26/2014 2:07 PM, clay wrote: I was in the market for the passat TDI wagon a few years back, but decided to check with my cousin, since he sold them. That was the swiftest scratch off the list conversation. Ended up holding onto the E300D, and SWBMA purchased some korean sedan loaded with bells and whistles. She is now dumping that for a toy oda. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:18 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: I agree - begore reading the comments on this list I would have had a VW diesel near the top of my list. Sounds like I am back to MB -- if I can find one I can afford... Its a shame -- I also was a fan of Passats an Jettas - would have liked a wagon .. Larry On 7/26/2014 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: That is insightful, as some time ago when I was looking for a car for the youngest son I seriously considered both Jettas and Passats. Nearly every used one I looked at had issues or a history of lousy maintenance (if any.) My brother owned an early 2000s Passat that he bought new. It was a PITA from a parts standpoint, especially with window regulators for some reason. He got to the point where he just kept his right rear window wedged in place, as they replaced I don't know how many regulators. The worst part was that when they did fail, none were to be found in the States and they had to come from Germany. Often took 2-3 weeks or more. Too bad, as I like the Passat. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:01 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wow - that's really interesting -- that VW owners are so uncaring about the upkeep of their cars. I wonder if they were leases or owned? Of course the data to be analyzed is pretty extensive. IMO most car shoppers are interestied oin one thing - what's my ,onthly payment? Advertisers pounce on this also - watch some car commercials and all the push is only $199/onth! and on and on -- and when the shoppers show up they don't hear residuals, interest rates, etc - alll the noral things people should be interestied in when making a major Lease or purchase.Your cousins experience proves this out - unfortunately. Our spiral down to becoming a throw away society. So, a CDI? Are you pretty comfortable with the build quality? LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel
I believe that Audi VW are still one and the same if not, someone please correct me. I believe, based on what I have learned since my W140 and R129 ownership, that from 1996-7 through the early 2000s MB had most of the kinks worked out of their cars. This would not apply to the M class, which I have heard anecdotally to generally be POS all over. The early 90s were pretty ugly for MB in a lot of areas, but they seemed to take heed of what had happened and applied it to cars in the late 90s from what I can tell. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:49 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah, I can see the problem with VW diesels are more owner problems than VW problems although VW's are made to be utility vehicles - some look better than others so they can sell as family cars but they are still economical cars (read cheap) and they have always been. when I was working at the dealership we had a list of parts that could be expected to fail at xx miles - muffler was good for 20K, starters could go 60K and so on - I am going from memory so my numbers may be off. point is, it's not a high end car as someone else pointed out. and it won't last like a MB - or like a MB should last. If they built them like MBs they would cost as much as MBs. OK - 2 questions: *does anyone have any experience with Audi diesels? or I should ask were there any audi diesels made in the 2000-2010 time frame that had good reputations? * and has MBs quality problems from the late 90s to early 00s? Thanks ya'll - this is very helpful Larryt On 7/26/2014 2:07 PM, clay wrote: I was in the market for the passat TDI wagon a few years back, but decided to check with my cousin, since he sold them. That was the swiftest scratch off the list conversation. Ended up holding onto the E300D, and SWBMA purchased some korean sedan loaded with bells and whistles. She is now dumping that for a toy oda. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:18 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: I agree - begore reading the comments on this list I would have had a VW diesel near the top of my list. Sounds like I am back to MB -- if I can find one I can afford... Its a shame -- I also was a fan of Passats an Jettas - would have liked a wagon .. Larry On 7/26/2014 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: That is insightful, as some time ago when I was looking for a car for the youngest son I seriously considered both Jettas and Passats. Nearly every used one I looked at had issues or a history of lousy maintenance (if any.) My brother owned an early 2000s Passat that he bought new. It was a PITA from a parts standpoint, especially with window regulators for some reason. He got to the point where he just kept his right rear window wedged in place, as they replaced I don't know how many regulators. The worst part was that when they did fail, none were to be found in the States and they had to come from Germany. Often took 2-3 weeks or more. Too bad, as I like the Passat. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:01 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wow - that's really interesting -- that VW owners are so uncaring about the upkeep of their cars. I wonder if they were leases or owned? Of course the data to be analyzed is pretty extensive. IMO most car shoppers are interestied oin one thing - what's my ,onthly payment? Advertisers pounce on this also - watch some car commercials and all the push is only $199/onth! and on and on -- and when the shoppers show up they don't hear residuals, interest rates, etc - alll the noral things people should be interestied in when making a major Lease or purchase.Your cousins experience proves this out - unfortunately. Our spiral down to becoming a throw away society. So, a CDI? Are you pretty comfortable with the build quality? LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of
Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
they are quick to total. you try to get as much as you can from them, which can be more than their initial offer. them, if you have any interest, you ask them how much they will sell you back the remains for. then you decide what to do with that. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:21 AM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I got in a wreck weds eve... Trying to figure out whether they'd total it.. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 25, 2014, at 14:00, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:48:19 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] W123 parts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Any ideas what I'd be looking at in parts-- 123.133, hood, grille, driver fender, metal behind grille, drivers lamps, condenser, radiator, etc. Strangely enough I have a oil cooler. Are you looking to sell said parts or purchase? I know someone asked already, but I don't recall the answer... And I could use said parts for I wrecked one I own... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel
LarryT via Mercedes wrote: I agree - begore reading the comments on this list I would have had a VW diesel near the top of my list. Sounds like I am back to MB -- if I can find one I can afford... Its a shame -- I also was a fan of Passats an Jettas - would have liked a wagon .. 12 years ago I wanted a late 1980s turbo Jetta, ended up with a W116 300SD because they were substantially cheaper than VWs in similar condition. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
The speedy lube place we use has a system where they unhook the trans at the trans cooler and hook that to a tank which then pushes new fluid into the system as the transmission pumps the old out. Seems to work pretty well, we had it done a few times on the Dakota which went 222,000 on the original trans before I traded it. I did that flush alternating with a new filter and conventional drain. If it were my car I'd drive it a couple weeks, then drain and refill again. Unfortunately the auto boxes that VW used are generally considered not so good by the TDI community. I wonder if they survive better behind gassers. -Curt From: Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fred Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush. Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel
I've had little problem with ethanol in tanks that I can keep clean and dry. The snowmobiles don't fall into that category very well... Since I started using Seafoam gas additive in every tank the problems have been significantly lessened. -Curt From: Fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 5:01 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel I have voice my uncertainty about the supposed risks of ethenol in gasoline. Well, about a week ago my one push mower started running really poorly. It acted like a fuel problem, so I kinda wondered if the ethenol muck had finally got me. This is the mower I use rather infrequently. I don't remember the last time I ran it long enough to use more than a tank full of fuel. And it's an old Briggs with a vented gas cap. I don't think I run it more than 3-4 times a year, typical for the last 15 years. In that time, I have very deliberately sought out and used nearly exclusively ethenol-blend gasoline. I pulled the tank off, opened up the carburetor - clean as a whistle. No sludge, no varnish, no gunk. It was so clean in seemed a waste of effort to wash it - but I did used carb cleaner to wash out a couple small pieces of dirt that settled in the bowl. The problem? A very worn needle valve. I didn't have a replacement on hand, so I filed it smooth and reinstalled. Runs okay - but I'm going to replace that needle valve and seat anyway. So - am I just lucky? Or is the real problem going to and/or from ethenol blend? I dunno - but my experience, with all my gasoline machines, suggests ethenol is good! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
There is one system by which the fluid gets forced through the system backwards, I've heard that that system can damage transmissions. Seems legit, but flushing in the normal direction doesn't seem like it'd hurt anything. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush. I take exception to this statement. If flushing were such a bad thing, there would be literally tens of thousands of failed transmissions out there. I hear talk of fluid shock on occasion as well, and find this just as bogus. That is described as the condition where one drains and refills a transmission and the lack of dirty fluid full of old material causes the transmission or valve body to fail. Think about this logically: Dealers, indies and others have historically drained and replaced fluid in slushboxes for years. If there was the potential for damage or failure be replacing the fluid or flushing there's no way they would be doing it, for fear of having to buy the customer a new transmission. I've had a couple of non-MB transmissions flushed by competent independent mechanics. The last one was the wife's 2005 Mazda 6, which was flushed at the factory interval of 75k. It's worked perfectly since it was done. Some claim that by flushing or doing a complete drain and refill you take friction material that was floating around in the system and helping the clutches and bands to continue working. Bogus. Most of that material, not all, ends up in the filter. I had the discussion about fluid shock, which is the procedure you recommend to prevent such a condition, with a 20+ year MB line mechanic at my local dealership. He said that in his tenure he has never heard of such a thing, and that they regularly drain and refill transmissions all the time without ever encountering a failure. He thought it was funny. Just my $0.02. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car line. Russ W. On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7924 - Release Date: 07/26/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
Just my personal opinion, but nobody hooks up a 'transmission flush' machine to any car I own. I have no trust in those machines and less trust in the people wielding them. If I want to change the fluid without a TC drain plug, I do something I saw in a factory Ford manual in the 1990s: Drain the pan and change the filter, throw a gallon of fresh fluid in the pan, unhook a cooling line at the radiator and let it idle in park until the clean fluid starts coming out of the hose. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel
The Audi diesels are VW TDIs. Many of the parts on my Jetta have both the VW badge and the Audi linked rings. -Curt From: LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: clay redgh...@comcast.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Newer Mercedes Diesel Yeah, I can see the problem with VW diesels are more owner problems than VW problems although VW's are made to be utility vehicles - some look better than others so they can sell as family cars but they are still economical cars (read cheap) and they have always been. when I was working at the dealership we had a list of parts that could be expected to fail at xx miles - muffler was good for 20K, starters could go 60K and so on - I am going from memory so my numbers may be off. point is, it's not a high end car as someone else pointed out. and it won't last like a MB - or like a MB should last. If they built them like MBs they would cost as much as MBs. OK - 2 questions: * does anyone have any experience with Audi diesels? or I should ask were there any audi diesels made in the 2000-2010 time frame that had good reputations? * and has MBs quality problems from the late 90s to early 00s? Thanks ya'll - this is very helpful Larryt On 7/26/2014 2:07 PM, clay wrote: I was in the market for the passat TDI wagon a few years back, but decided to check with my cousin, since he sold them. That was the swiftest scratch off the list conversation. Ended up holding onto the E300D, and SWBMA purchased some korean sedan loaded with bells and whistles. She is now dumping that for a toy oda. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:18 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: I agree - begore reading the comments on this list I would have had a VW diesel near the top of my list. Sounds like I am back to MB -- if I can find one I can afford... Its a shame -- I also was a fan of Passats an Jettas - would have liked a wagon .. Larry On 7/26/2014 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: That is insightful, as some time ago when I was looking for a car for the youngest son I seriously considered both Jettas and Passats. Nearly every used one I looked at had issues or a history of lousy maintenance (if any.) My brother owned an early 2000s Passat that he bought new. It was a PITA from a parts standpoint, especially with window regulators for some reason. He got to the point where he just kept his right rear window wedged in place, as they replaced I don't know how many regulators. The worst part was that when they did fail, none were to be found in the States and they had to come from Germany. Often took 2-3 weeks or more. Too bad, as I like the Passat. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:01 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wow - that's really interesting -- that VW owners are so uncaring about the upkeep of their cars. I wonder if they were leases or owned? Of course the data to be analyzed is pretty extensive. IMO most car shoppers are interestied oin one thing - what's my ,onthly payment? Advertisers pounce on this also - watch some car commercials and all the push is only $199/onth! and on and on -- and when the shoppers show up they don't hear residuals, interest rates, etc - alll the noral things people should be interestied in when making a major Lease or purchase. Your cousins experience proves this out - unfortunately. Our spiral down to becoming a throw away society. So, a CDI? Are you pretty comfortable with the build quality? LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel
Both my Ryobi string trimmer (4 cycle) and chainsaw (2 cycle) were fed ethanol laced fuel before I'd heard of the reported problems. They were run hard, and put up wet (gas still in the tanks). After two years, neither one would start and run. After replacing the HARD fuel lines, trying to clean the carbs and failing to get running engine, I bought new carbs for both of them. Putting a new carb on the trimmer cured it - it runs fine, and has had no ethanol since. I finally really needed the chain saw, so installed the new carb on it, but no change - still would not run. Finally I changed the spark plug, and IT RAN. So, who knows if ethanol laced fuel will kill small engines? I don't . . . Since it is prohibited by the FAA, and repairs are EXPENSIVE, and failures can be deadly, I don't let the stuff near my Cessna. The Ford is approved for up to E85, but has never had E anything, so far, since I fill it at the same time I buy fuel for the Cessna. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've had little problem with ethanol in tanks that I can keep clean and dry. The snowmobiles don't fall into that category very well... Since I started using Seafoam gas additive in every tank the problems have been significantly lessened. -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
The guy that has done mine (not any of my MBs, of course!) is a veteran indie mechanic that I trust. He's got the machine and been trained in its proper use. He says it does a great job getting all of the ATF out of the system and does it in a way that it won't damage anything. No way I would let one of the Jiffy Lube crew touch a system like that in any of my cars. I'll let them change the oil in my non-MBs but that's the extent of the contact I allow from them. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:55 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just my personal opinion, but nobody hooks up a 'transmission flush' machine to any car I own. I have no trust in those machines and less trust in the people wielding them. If I want to change the fluid without a TC drain plug, I do something I saw in a factory Ford manual in the 1990s: Drain the pan and change the filter, throw a gallon of fresh fluid in the pan, unhook a cooling line at the radiator and let it idle in park until the clean fluid starts coming out of the hose. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Moderator?????
Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: snip No way I would let one of the Jiffy Lube crew touch a system like that in any of my cars. I'll let them change the oil in my non-MBs but that's the extent of the contact I allow from them. Dan What is this Jiffy Lube you speak of, and air powered grease gun? :-) I have never taken a vehicle to such a thing . . . . -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - Kalebs new neighborhood
I flew to H66, the airport about 2 miles from Kaleb's new ranch/pick-n-pull today, 2 hours round trip. Attached are a couple of photos of the hangars at the airport. Looks like Kaleb could buy a C172 really cheap! The N-S runway is mostly asphalt, but the grass is making a valiant effort to reclaim it. the NE-SW runway is all sod, as they are supposed to be. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Nowata Cessna 20140725_115912.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 388092 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140725/847af060/attachment.jpeg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Nowata hangars 20140725_115916.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 401297 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140725/847af060/attachment-0001.jpeg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????
We do, but he's been busy dealing with a father-in-law who just went into hospice care this week. Spent my afternoon today at the funeral home making final arrangements, too. Fun. I will say that I normally get a note from the system telling me that something is waiting to be approved. Didn't get one this time, or if I did, I dumped it without realizing it was a notice that wasn't a bounce notice... In the future if you get a rejection due to an attachment size please drop me a quick note directly and i'll look for it as soon as I can. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kalebs new neighborhood
I'll bet Kleb would offer them $500 for that plane that's flipped on its back...I wonder if they have the title? Dan On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:12 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I flew to H66, the airport about 2 miles from Kaleb's new ranch/pick-n-pull today, 2 hours round trip. Attached are a couple of photos of the hangars at the airport. Looks like Kaleb could buy a C172 really cheap! The N-S runway is mostly asphalt, but the grass is making a valiant effort to reclaim it. the NE-SW runway is all sod, as they are supposed to be. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Nowata Cessna 20140725_115912.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 388092 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140725/847af060/attachment.jpeg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Nowata hangars 20140725_115916.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 401297 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140725/847af060/attachment-0001.jpeg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:05:55 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved? Dan's on the list. Since Kaleb just left my house here in Los Alamos, I can say he's not on the list. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kalebs new neighborhood
OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Looks like Kaleb could buy a C172 really cheap! http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140725/847af060/attachment.jpeg Now that's the kind of yard ornament that Regina needs for the new estate. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: OT-ish Trans flush.
Seems my smart a$$ response only went to Dan - still getting used to the new settings. I also should have added that although I made all of my own tuition payments, I also made all of those of my four kids . . . never did figure out what went wrong there. -- Forwarded message -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush. To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: snip I've seen some nice W140 sedans around, but the beginning of the school year is coming and I have a tuition payment I have to make for the youngest son. I have to get that out of the way first. Dan Life begins when the last kid leaves home and the dog dies. The punch line from a joke that I don't remember the rest of, but I can tell you that there is a LOT of truth in that statement! -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????
Since he sold the GL, what was he driving??? On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:05:55 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since Kaleb just left my house here in Los Alamos, I can say he's not on the list. Craig -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????
i'm here On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:05:55 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved? Dan's on the list. Since Kaleb just left my house here in Los Alamos, I can say he's not on the list. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????
kleb said he'd make me a moderator, but it seems he's not going to do it :( On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do we have a moderator on board? Are the photos I sent of Kaleb's new neighborhood airport going to be approved? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel
Marine Stabil (it’s the green stuff….not pink) is what I use in my small outboards, weed wackier, lawn mower, ’67 VW and ’68 250S. Once I started using this stuff religiously, no problems. Jon On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Both my Ryobi string trimmer (4 cycle) and chainsaw (2 cycle) were fed ethanol laced fuel before I'd heard of the reported problems. They were run hard, and put up wet (gas still in the tanks). After two years, neither one would start and run. After replacing the HARD fuel lines, trying to clean the carbs and failing to get running engine, I bought new carbs for both of them. Putting a new carb on the trimmer cured it - it runs fine, and has had no ethanol since. I finally really needed the chain saw, so installed the new carb on it, but no change - still would not run. Finally I changed the spark plug, and IT RAN. So, who knows if ethanol laced fuel will kill small engines? I don't . . . Since it is prohibited by the FAA, and repairs are EXPENSIVE, and failures can be deadly, I don't let the stuff near my Cessna. The Ford is approved for up to E85, but has never had E anything, so far, since I fill it at the same time I buy fuel for the Cessna. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've had little problem with ethanol in tanks that I can keep clean and dry. The snowmobiles don't fall into that category very well... Since I started using Seafoam gas additive in every tank the problems have been significantly lessened. -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
i think those flush and your tranny is toast thing comes from fords using type F in the 70s but changing it every 5k or so for a few times is not a bad idea if flush scares you. i used to change my tranny fluid ever 5k back in the day and the filter every 15 on the old hydramatics On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I take exception to this statement. If flushing were such a bad thing, there would be literally tens of thousands of failed transmissions out there. I hear talk of fluid shock on occasion as well, and find this just as bogus. That is described as the condition where one drains and refills a transmission and the lack of dirty fluid full of old material causes the transmission or valve body to fail. Think about this logically: Dealers, indies and others have historically drained and replaced fluid in slushboxes for years. If there was the potential for damage or failure be replacing the fluid or flushing there's no way they would be doing it, for fear of having to buy the customer a new transmission. I've had a couple of non-MB transmissions flushed by competent independent mechanics. The last one was the wife's 2005 Mazda 6, which was flushed at the factory interval of 75k. It's worked perfectly since it was done. Some claim that by flushing or doing a complete drain and refill you take friction material that was floating around in the system and helping the clutches and bands to continue working. Bogus. Most of that material, not all, ends up in the filter. I had the discussion about fluid shock, which is the procedure you recommend to prevent such a condition, with a 20+ year MB line mechanic at my local dealership. He said that in his tenure he has never heard of such a thing, and that they regularly drain and refill transmissions all the time without ever encountering a failure. He thought it was funny. Just my $0.02. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car line. Russ W. On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7924 - Release Date: 07/26/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:41:04 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since he sold the GL, what was he driving??? A Chevy diesel 4x4 pickup towing a car trailer. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos
For quite a while, my signature for this list included '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) As of this afternoon, that is no longer true. Kaleb, Regina, and their son Spencer made a quick trip out here to pick it up along with the '82 OM616 and stick shift transmission that have been sitting in my garage for the entirety of the nearly 12 years we have been here in Los Alamos. Attached are some pictures of the adventure. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn2806.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 170033 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140726/e43b85b7/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn2809.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 158553 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140726/e43b85b7/attachment-0001.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn2810.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 188326 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140726/e43b85b7/attachment-0002.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn2812.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 179862 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140726/e43b85b7/attachment-0003.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn2814.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 160573 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140726/e43b85b7/attachment-0004.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn2816.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 191051 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140726/e43b85b7/attachment-0005.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn2817.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 182911 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140726/e43b85b7/attachment-0006.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn2818.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 159280 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140726/e43b85b7/attachment-0007.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn2820.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 178892 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20140726/e43b85b7/attachment-0008.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Today's CL Find
I may go look at this tomorrow - it's not too far from me and the seller says the problem is that It won't shift past 3 u have to play with the gas peddle for it to kick into gear. http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/453306.html I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate? It's a 722 tranny but I'm not sure if it's a 722.6 Anyone know? Things to look for? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos
H - that looks remarkably like a number of his visits to our house. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: For quite a while, my signature for this list included '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) As of this afternoon, that is no longer true. Kaleb, Regina, and their son Spencer made a quick trip out here to pick it up along with the '82 OM616 and stick shift transmission that have been sitting in my garage for the entirety of the nearly 12 years we have been here in Los Alamos. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
The longer you hold out, the higher the settlement will tend to be. The rep wants to clear the case as swiftly as possible. If it grinds on, they get dinged for being ineffective, and that comes back at bonus time, or job longevity. After a month, they will gladly cut a check for close to what you find valuation to be. I had liberty mutual stomping their peckers trying to get a proper valuation for when their insured t boned my car. First attempt they made was for $4400. I said no, and to look further afield for a proper comparable for DIESEL, not gas 1995. There were too few for them to get a statistically happy figure after looking nationwide and finding five examples last summer. In the end, they decided $9500 was about right. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: they are quick to total. you try to get as much as you can from them, which can be more than their initial offer. them, if you have any interest, you ask them how much they will sell you back the remains for. then you decide what to do with that. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:21 AM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I got in a wreck weds eve... Trying to figure out whether they'd total it.. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 25, 2014, at 14:00, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:48:19 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] W123 parts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Any ideas what I'd be looking at in parts-- 123.133, hood, grille, driver fender, metal behind grille, drivers lamps, condenser, radiator, etc. Strangely enough I have a oil cooler. Are you looking to sell said parts or purchase? I know someone asked already, but I don't recall the answer... And I could use said parts for I wrecked one I own... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
Unless I am doing a full fluid and filter change, I am pretty happy with a drain and fill, then run for 2500 miles, drain and fill again with a new to me purchase.Mobil 1 ATF clay On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: There is one system by which the fluid gets forced through the system backwards, I've heard that that system can damage transmissions. Seems legit, but flushing in the normal direction doesn't seem like it'd hurt anything. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush. I take exception to this statement. If flushing were such a bad thing, there would be literally tens of thousands of failed transmissions out there. I hear talk of fluid shock on occasion as well, and find this just as bogus. That is described as the condition where one drains and refills a transmission and the lack of dirty fluid full of old material causes the transmission or valve body to fail. Think about this logically: Dealers, indies and others have historically drained and replaced fluid in slushboxes for years. If there was the potential for damage or failure be replacing the fluid or flushing there's no way they would be doing it, for fear of having to buy the customer a new transmission. I've had a couple of non-MB transmissions flushed by competent independent mechanics. The last one was the wife's 2005 Mazda 6, which was flushed at the factory interval of 75k. It's worked perfectly since it was done. Some claim that by flushing or doing a complete drain and refill you take friction material that was floating around in the system and helping the clutches and bands to continue working. Bogus. Most of that material, not all, ends up in the filter. I had the discussion about fluid shock, which is the procedure you recommend to prevent such a condition, with a 20+ year MB line mechanic at my local dealership. He said that in his tenure he has never heard of such a thing, and that they regularly drain and refill transmissions all the time without ever encountering a failure. He thought it was funny. Just my $0.02. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car line. Russ W. On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7924 - Release Date: 07/26/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual
[MBZ] Today's puzzler: W123 dead tach awakened by the horn
The tach in my 1983 300TD is temperamental, and probably on its last legs. Half the time it's pegged at zero then it behaves erratically and eventually calms down and performs correctly. I've noticed that when it's restingin dead mode, a tap on the horn brings it back to life. What's that about? Andrew 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Moderator?????
How do you upload a photo to the site? On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:41:04 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since he sold the GL, what was he driving??? A Chevy diesel 4x4 pickup towing a car trailer. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - ish Tranz Flush too.
Alles.Trying to guess the right answer was eine fahr in die blaue.So I will perform a few more oil changes with filter and see what happens.Klatta on! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find
Nice looking car, and less than 3 percent of the sticker price. Call Potomac German Auto to find out the price of a good used transmission. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I may go look at this tomorrow - it's not too far from me and the seller says the problem is that It won't shift past 3 u have to play with the gas peddle for it to kick into gear. http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/453306.html I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate? It's a 722 tranny but I'm not sure if it's a 722.6 Anyone know? Things to look for? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Today's puzzler: W123 dead tach awakened by the horn
Tach amp? Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The tach in my 1983 300TD is temperamental, and probably on its last legs. Half the time it's pegged at zero then it behaves erratically and eventually calms down and performs correctly. I've noticed that when it's restingin dead mode, a tap on the horn brings it back to life. What's that about? Andrew 1983 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos
I missed it - what happened to Oskar that took him off the road? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - small gasoline engine fuel
I have started buying premium gas for all my small engines especially the gas I use for two-stroke pre-mix. It has made a big improvement in running problems especially on my old Lawn-Boy mower. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - ish Tranz Flush too.
Well that seems like the safe thing to do. I am doing what you advised for the CD. Running M1 with new filter. On Jul 26, 2014 10:51 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Alles.Trying to guess the right answer was eine fahr in die blaue.So I will perform a few more oil changes with filter and see what happens.Klatta on! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Today's puzzler: W123 dead tach awakened by the horn
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com writes: The tach in my 1983 300TD is temperamental, and probably on its last legs. Half the time it's pegged at zero then it behaves erratically and eventually calms down and performs correctly. I've noticed that when it's restingin dead mode, a tap on the horn brings it back to life. What's that about? Are there any OM617 diesel tachs that DO work reliably? I've never seen one, though my sample size is not great. On my '83 300D changing an ACC button would bring the tach back to life in a similar way. Never noticed the horn doing it though. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Find
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate? It's a 722 tranny but I'm not sure if it's a 722.6 I didn't think ANYTHING had a 5p automatic in 1995 so I doubt it's electronic. Conductor plate is often intermittent downshifts going down the road, progressing to limp home in a single gear, I think it's 2nd. I'd expect the usual; vacuum problem, kickdown problem, linkage bushings, gummy valve body... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos
Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I missed it - what happened to Oskar that took him off the road? I think Shirley curbed him hard in a parking lot. Attached are some pictures of the adventure. Craig I didn't know Craig and Shirley had their own municipal sized water tower. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Today's CL Finderer
Pretty sure it's the crappy 722.5 box, essentially a 722.4 with electronic overdrive but not as robust as the 722.4 http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/6719-1995-s320-transmission-problem.html however for that sort of money you can't go too far wrong, Klebby will probably give you 500 for it, if all else fails. Hendrik who has a wonky 190E to fix On 27/07/14 12:21, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Nice looking car, and less than 3 percent of the sticker price. Call Potomac German Auto to find out the price of a good used transmission. On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I may go look at this tomorrow - it's not too far from me and the seller says the problem is that It won't shift past 3 u have to play with the gas peddle for it to kick into gear. http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/453306.html I'm wondering if this is a conductor plate? It's a 722 tranny but I'm not sure if it's a 722.6 Anyone know? Things to look for? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Today's cheap S class CL Find
Actually if you take Oz pricing it's less than 1%. Hendrik who may be able to afford a 140 in a few years time with all the money saved by home brewing On 27/07/14 12:21, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Nice looking car, and less than 3 percent of the sticker price. Call Potomac German Auto to find out the price of a good used transmission. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? [This time to the list as well!]
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:49:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: How do you upload a photo to the site? You do not upload a photo to the site, since there is no site; this is an email list. You attach your photo to your email to the list and then send Dan an email off-list saying you sent in a photo. He approves it and the email is sent out to the list with links for the photographs which reside on the mail server. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos [This time to the list, too!]
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:57:12 -0400 Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: I missed it - what happened to Oskar that took him off the road? Shirley drove out of our veterinarian's parking lot and a little ways down the street when a medicine bottle started to fall over. She reached for it and inadvertently turned the steering wheel toward the curb. If it had been a solid curb, the car would have just bounced off it, but unfortunately, it was not. There was a section cut out of it about three feet long so water could flow off the road into the ditch parallel to it. The ends of the cut were left vertical. When the right front tire went through the opening, the vertical edge toward which the car was moving snagged the right front of the car and took out the right end of the front bumper surround and bent the tabs on the sub-frame that hold the lower arm of the right front suspension. The repair shop said the sub-frame needed to be replaced and that required removing the engine for 17 hours of labor. Our insurance company totaled the car and told me the buy-back price was $187. I was amazed, but the woman with whom I spoke said that's what it was, so I bought it back with the intention of getting parts off it. Since I was busy working on our house and doing things like having neck surgery, I didn't get the parts I wanted off the car. Kaleb was interested, so I gave him the car and the OM616/4-speed in our garage. That got the car out of our backyard and the engine/transmission out of our garage, a good thing to do since we are trying to sell our house and move to Indiana. In trade, Kaleb is giving me the parts I would have taken off the car. His intention is to get the car back on the road. Now that's probably more than you wanted to know ... Craig P.S. It's strange. When I click Reply on some emails from the list, it goes to the list and the person to whom I am replying. Other emails, I click Reply and it goes only to the person to whom I am replying. In those cases, I have to click on Reply all. Strange. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Moderator????? [This time to the list as well!]
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:49:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: How do you upload a photo to the site? You do not upload a photo to the site, since there is no site; this is an email list. You attach your photo to your email to the list and then send Dan an email off-list saying you sent in a photo. He approves it and the email is sent out to the list with links for the photographs which reside on the mail server. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos [This time to the list, too!]
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:57:12 -0400 Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: I missed it - what happened to Oskar that took him off the road? Shirley drove out of our veterinarian's parking lot and a little ways down the street when a medicine bottle started to fall over. She reached for it and inadvertently turned the steering wheel toward the curb. If it had been a solid curb, the car would have just bounced off it, but unfortunately, it was not. There was a section cut out of it about three feet long so water could flow off the road into the ditch parallel to it. The ends of the cut were left vertical. When the right front tire went through the opening, the vertical edge toward which the car was moving snagged the right front of the car and took out the right end of the front bumper surround and bent the tabs on the sub-frame that hold the lower arm of the right front suspension. The repair shop said the sub-frame needed to be replaced and that required removing the engine for 17 hours of labor. Our insurance company totaled the car and told me the buy-back price was $187. I was amazed, but the woman with whom I spoke said that's what it was, so I bought it back with the intention of getting parts off it. Since I was busy working on our house and doing things like having neck surgery, I didn't get the parts I wanted off the car. Kaleb was interested, so I gave him the car and the OM616/4-speed in our garage. That got the car out of our backyard and the engine/transmission out of our garage, a good thing to do since we are trying to sell our house and move to Indiana. In trade, Kaleb is giving me the parts I would have taken off the car. His intention is to get the car back on the road. Now that's probably more than you wanted to know ... Craig P.S. It's strange. When I click Reply on some emails from the list, it goes to the list and the person to whom I am replying. Other emails, I click Reply and it goes only to the person to whom I am replying. In those cases, I have to click on Reply all. Strange. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] An Okie in Los Alamos
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 00:41:58 -0400 Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I didn't know Craig and Shirley had their own municipal sized water tower. We don't. It's on County property behind our lot. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
