Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Hans Neureiter wrote: This a strong hint towards a cracked head or gasket. In the past we had the heads magnafluxed. Is that still the way to check for head cracks? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Now you're just getting silly. It originally smelled hot because it WAS hot. The temp gauge was pegged, the heater wasn't leaking, the radiator hose fell off remember? You are right that coolant is leaking, it comes right out the radiator fill, you can watch it happen. A radiator cap strong enough to prevent that happening would make the radiator or its hoses rupture. You shouldn't need the radiator cap present to prevent overheating at idle... -Curt Not at all. Just pointing out possible leaks that can be missed. Most of us are not there and have never seen the car. Everyone but you Dimitri and Dwight are flying blind. The BASIC troubleshooting has never been done on the car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Hans Neureiter wrote: This a strong hint towards a cracked head or gasket. In the past we had the heads magnafluxed. Is that still the way to check for head cracks? Gerry FOr cast iron heads, yes. In the case of OM621, OM615 to OM617 heads, the cracks generally are visible to the naked eye. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Amazon Parts
I have had my wife order stuff from Amazon and get it shipped free in 2 days with Prime, no 10% sales tax. Great deal. I have noticed most of the FLAPs will do something similar, if you find it on their web site and buy it then go pick it up at the store, or have it shipped to the store, but then you have to pay the local tax. Amazon is also quite good from a customer service perspective from what I have experienced. for stuff you don't need right now it's a great deal. --R On 2/22/15 6:07 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Interesting read: http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/how-amazon-will-slowly-murder-the-auto-parts-stores-1683776505 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
When we lived in Houston there was a train track across the street behind some houses. At some point the track developed a gap between rails, maybe a half inch or so. You could hear the clack-clack every time a wheel truck ran over it. I went and looked at it one day and the front rail was getting hammered pretty good and flattened out to where there was now not only a half inch gap but a half inch level difference, so the rail was also getting pounded down as the wheels dropped onto it. I went to some meeting about the crossing down the way, and the trains blowing horns, and brought this issue up with the City Powers and the train company guys (the head lawyer of which lived in our little community). They all made Concerned Noises but nothing was done about it. This went on for months. So some time later a bunch of cars derailed and fell over and down the embankment. These were grain cars but ahead and behind them were some sort of tankers. When all the TV and cops and Official People were doing their thing, I went around asking what was in the tank cars, no one knew or no one was saying -- oil, chemicals, gasoline, whatever. I pointed out that it would have been pretty nasty if whatever that was fell over but everyone was acting really weird about it. So then I brought up that the track had been bad for ages, I had told a bunch of people about it, etc. and it got even weirder. I presume there was some sort of investigation by FRA or someone, but no one ever called me or asked about that. It was pretty clear the track separated at that gap and the cars just ran off right past it. We had a huge rat problem, and the rotting grain stunk like crazy for the next coupla months, I and some other neighbors called the TV people again and the train co came out and cleaned up, spread some dirt and deodorizer or soemthing. But no one ever brought up the track maintenance issue... --R On 2/22/15 4:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OIL_TRAINS_SAFETY?SITE=APSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2015-02-22-12-00-23 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
When we lived in Houston there was a train track across the street behind some houses. At some point the track developed a gap between rails, maybe a half inch or so. You could hear the clack-clack every time a wheel truck ran over it. I went and looked at it one day and the front rail was getting hammered pretty good and flattened out to where there was now not only a half inch gap but a half inch level difference, so the rail was also getting pounded down as the wheels dropped onto it. I went to some meeting about the crossing down the way, and the trains blowing horns, and brought this issue up with the City Powers and the train company guys (the head lawyer of which lived in our little community). They all made Concerned Noises but nothing was done about it. This went on for months. So some time later a bunch of cars derailed and fell over and down the embankment. These were grain cars but ahead and behind them were some sort of tankers. When all the TV and cops and Official People were doing their thing, I went around asking what was in the tank cars, no one knew or no one was saying -- oil, chemicals, gasoline, whatever. I pointed out that it would have been pretty nasty if whatever that was fell over but everyone was acting really weird about it. So then I brought up that the track had been bad for ages, I had told a bunch of people about it, etc. and it got even weirder. I presume there was some sort of investigation by FRA or someone, but no one ever called me or asked about that. It was pretty clear the track separated at that gap and the cars just ran off right past it. We had a huge rat problem, and the rotting grain stunk like crazy for the next coupla months, I and some other neighbors called the TV people again and the train co came out and cleaned up, spread some dirt and deodorizer or soemthing. But no one ever brought up the track maintenance issue... --R UP maintains their mainline much better than the old days. Same for BNSF. I used to watch the cars lurching side to side on both these lines. When the rails are only 4'-8.5 apart and the car is 8.5' wide it does not take a lot to tip a box car. The feeder lines are a different story. YMMV ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
This a strong hint towards a cracked head or gasket. or air in the system that is not getting burped out. or leakage Any good radiator shop can check for exhaust gas in the coolant. lets diagnose the problem. The headgasket was condemned before without diagnosis. Changing the headgasket did not cure the problem. The fact that the heater stops when the car overheats indicates the coolant is low. the Smells hot on the first occurrence indicates the heater may be leaking. Do you ever smell coolant in the interior of the car? I have had water pump leaks where you can never see the WP leaking. (only leaks when hot, and coolant evaporates before hitting the ground) A bad radiator cap can cause leakage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Now you're just getting silly. It originally smelled hot because it WAS hot. The temp gauge was pegged, the heater wasn't leaking, the radiator hose fell off remember? You are right that coolant is leaking, it comes right out the radiator fill, you can watch it happen. A radiator cap strong enough to prevent that happening would make the radiator or its hoses rupture. You shouldn't need the radiator cap present to prevent overheating at idle... -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info This a strong hint towards a cracked head or gasket. or air in the system that is not getting burped out. or leakage Any good radiator shop can check for exhaust gas in the coolant. lets diagnose the problem. The headgasket was condemned before without diagnosis. Changing the headgasket did not cure the problem. The fact that the heater stops when the car overheats indicates the coolant is low. the Smells hot on the first occurrence indicates the heater may be leaking. Do you ever smell coolant in the interior of the car? I have had water pump leaks where you can never see the WP leaking. (only leaks when hot, and coolant evaporates before hitting the ground) A bad radiator cap can cause leakage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
Lucky they didn't try to blame it on you! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On February 23, 2015 9:02:26 AM EST, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When we lived in Houston there was a train track across the street behind some houses. At some point the track developed a gap between rails, maybe a half inch or so. You could hear the clack-clack every time a wheel truck ran over it. I went and looked at it one day and the front rail was getting hammered pretty good and flattened out to where there was now not only a half inch gap but a half inch level difference, so the rail was also getting pounded down as the wheels dropped onto it. I went to some meeting about the crossing down the way, and the trains blowing horns, and brought this issue up with the City Powers and the train company guys (the head lawyer of which lived in our little community). They all made Concerned Noises but nothing was done about it. This went on for months. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
I will continue the troubleshooting when I get it back from Indy. I promise. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Now you're just getting silly. It originally smelled hot because it WAS hot. The temp gauge was pegged, the heater wasn't leaking, the radiator hose fell off remember? You are right that coolant is leaking, it comes right out the radiator fill, you can watch it happen. A radiator cap strong enough to prevent that happening would make the radiator or its hoses rupture. You shouldn't need the radiator cap present to prevent overheating at idle... -Curt Not at all. Just pointing out possible leaks that can be missed. Most of us are not there and have never seen the car. Everyone but you Dimitri and Dwight are flying blind. The BASIC troubleshooting has never been done on the car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OK What do you think?
I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
Buy a the real deal. G-wagen. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] freecycle [was: Re: ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens]
I've gotten some amazing stuff (all in one printer, tomato cages), and donated a ton of stuff as well. Seems like there are 10 Offers for every Wanted, and the email traffic is very heavy. I usually just scan each email for Wanted before deleting. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:40:42 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ours seems to work just fine, no problems switching over form Yahoo. Amazingly, there are over 2,000 members but at best one post a day. I suspect it has a lot to do with demographics. That's for sure. I subscribed to the Elkhart and Goshen, Indiana groups and see a non-Los Alamos post about once every 3 to 4 weeks. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Bubbles have never appeared in coolant. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Run the engine with the radiator cap off, while you watch the coolant through the filler neck. If you see bubbles in the coolant while it is running, you have a cracked head, block cavitation, or leaking head gasket causing combustion air intrusion into coolant system. IF, as engine temp increases, the bubbles increase to the point coolant is surging out of the filler neck.. certainly combustion intrusion, and always overheat will follow if the system is sealed. I suspect the original loss of lower cooling hose clamp was due to over pressure from combustion gas into coolant which simply blew off the hose at the weakest point, which happened to be a weak hose clamp, rather than the radiator hose. Further, I suspect all efforts since have not addressed the original issue, thus cured it. Bring the car a little closer to the computer so I can see it better . ;))) On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 22/02/2015 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I say the temperature gauge is faulty. Pay attention Andrew. It overheats and spews coolant out of the overflow hose. If it was just an issue of a bad sensor or gauge, it would tell you it was hot but it would not spew coolant. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
On 21/02/2015 7:53 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: I will do the tstat trick when I get the car back from the mechanic if it's not fixed. Keep in mind that our winter has been absolutely brutal and the last thing I want to do is work on cars in this weather! How about the oil and coolant tests too so that you can see if there appears to be cross contamination? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Antique Mercedes
http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/4900590043.html Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Old airbag
On 22/02/2015 1:23 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I see all kinds of possibilities with this airbag. Maybe launch a mannequin, flying pig, re-launch Billary's campaign... How about a big box of popcorn? Light, so it should fly pretty good and spread all over and you can leave it behind for the birds and the mice etc. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun
I ended up ordering the hi lift jack with accessories as recommended on the list. It should do the trick and still be cheaper than calling the wrecker, plus I will have it for next time. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com wrote: A winch is like trying to shear off a nail, versus pulling it out. Use a jack to lift it up, fill in under the wheels, and drive away. You can use a regular floor jack, but you might need to do a bit of digging to make a bit of a trench for it. Depending on the tools you have available, something like this would work, too: http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/Mog/Mogcarlift.jpg -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun
A million household uses. Among other things I used mine for moving the outhouse at camp to its final position after doing the rough positioning with an excavator. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun I ended up ordering the hi lift jack with accessories as recommended on the list. It should do the trick and still be cheaper than calling the wrecker, plus I will have it for next time. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com wrote: A winch is like trying to shear off a nail, versus pulling it out. Use a jack to lift it up, fill in under the wheels, and drive away. You can use a regular floor jack, but you might need to do a bit of digging to make a bit of a trench for it. Depending on the tools you have available, something like this would work, too: http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/Mog/Mogcarlift.jpg -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun
...pull the trailer out from under the car. I did this when bringing home the prospective 200D replacement chassis. Ripped the end rail right off the trailer. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun
A winch is like trying to shear off a nail, versus pulling it out. Use a jack to lift it up, fill in under the wheels, and drive away. You can use a regular floor jack, but you might need to do a bit of digging to make a bit of a trench for it. Depending on the tools you have available, something like this would work, too: http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/Mog/Mogcarlift.jpg -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
On 22/02/2015 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I say the temperature gauge is faulty. Pay attention Andrew. It overheats and spews coolant out of the overflow hose. If it was just an issue of a bad sensor or gauge, it would tell you it was hot but it would not spew coolant. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Run the engine with the radiator cap off, while you watch the coolant through the filler neck. If you see bubbles in the coolant while it is running, you have a cracked head, block cavitation, or leaking head gasket causing combustion air intrusion into coolant system. IF, as engine temp increases, the bubbles increase to the point coolant is surging out of the filler neck.. certainly combustion intrusion, and always overheat will follow if the system is sealed. I suspect the original loss of lower cooling hose clamp was due to over pressure from combustion gas into coolant which simply blew off the hose at the weakest point, which happened to be a weak hose clamp, rather than the radiator hose. Further, I suspect all efforts since have not addressed the original issue, thus cured it. Bring the car a little closer to the computer so I can see it better . ;))) On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 22/02/2015 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I say the temperature gauge is faulty. Pay attention Andrew. It overheats and spews coolant out of the overflow hose. If it was just an issue of a bad sensor or gauge, it would tell you it was hot but it would not spew coolant. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun
I ended up ordering the hi lift jack with accessories as recommended on the list. It should do the trick and still be cheaper than calling the wrecker, plus I will have it for next time. Sent from my iPhone A way better purchase than the HF knockoff. AND it won't rip the exhaust off your truck like a winch or wenches could. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
yep --R On 2/23/15 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:03:02 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No this wasn't meant for Banned. When I turn to the right while accelerating, I hear a clicking in the rear end. When I turn to the right and I am NOT accelerating, I do not hear that clunking. What is going on? Sounds like you have a rear-axle half-shaft going bad. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
So how difficult of a job is that? I reckon you gotta have a lift. Bob R On Feb 23, 2015 2:01 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: yep --R On 2/23/15 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:03:02 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No this wasn't meant for Banned. When I turn to the right while accelerating, I hear a clicking in the rear end. When I turn to the right and I am NOT accelerating, I do not hear that clunking. What is going on? Sounds like you have a rear-axle half-shaft going bad. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:07:26 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So how difficult of a job is that? I reckon you gotta have a lift. No, you do not, though it would be much easier on a lift. BTW, what vehicle are you asking about? I changed the half-shafts on our W123 240D/3.0 when we were in Austin, TX, in our garage. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
My 05 e320. crawling underneath the car up on jackstands has lost its allure. This may be something I fix with my checkbook. Bob R On Feb 23, 2015 2:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:07:26 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So how difficult of a job is that? I reckon you gotta have a lift. No, you do not, though it would be much easier on a lift. BTW, what vehicle are you asking about? I changed the half-shafts on our W123 240D/3.0 when we were in Austin, TX, in our garage. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
Put the back up on stands, loosen the diff from its support bracket and let it down a bit (I think with a jack?) which frees up the axles to slide out/in. You need to take off the diff cover to get at some retainer rings in there (quite fiddly, I remember that part!), so make sure you can get the filler plug off first so you can fill it back up after. It is actually not too hard, just fiddly. There are seals too you got to be careful of. The first one I did took a coupla hours then the other side was a lot faster. I vaguely recall the brake rotors have to come off to get the axle out of the axle/wheel carrier/bearing (it was quite a while ago I did so the details are a bit vague). This was on the 123 TD, not sure what your car is but it is probably a similar process if yours is different. There is a procedure in the manual that is fairly straightforward. Not too hard, but you have to get under the car and it can be a bit tight to do it while on your back lifting stuff around and reaching into the diff. Be a good opportunity to refresh the diff lube too. --R On 2/23/15 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: So how difficult of a job is that? I reckon you gotta have a lift. Bob R On Feb 23, 2015 2:01 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: yep --R On 2/23/15 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:03:02 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No this wasn't meant for Banned. When I turn to the right while accelerating, I hear a clicking in the rear end. When I turn to the right and I am NOT accelerating, I do not hear that clunking. What is going on? Sounds like you have a rear-axle half-shaft going bad. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] freecycle [was: Re: ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens]
On 23/02/2015 12:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I once got I wish ours was busier, but I'm not sure why it's not. Far more wanteds than offers could be why Dan One of the problems is that people who are getting something for nothing often prove to be a pain. They say they will come for whatever at an agreed time but then do not show up. Meanwhile, others have asked for the item and the generous soul who is trying to recycle the item ends up spending more time and effort than planned just in order to give something away. The other alternative is the sort that says first come gets it and that is a problem for anyone who wants the item as they have to be willing to go immediately and to accept being beaten to the punch by someone who lived closer etc. I tried to give away some old computer stuff a couple of weeks back. Several people responded and some promised to come but none ever did. I tossed the printer and the scanner is still sitting here and I will likely toss it too. It works but has no value in my mind so there is no likelihood of selling it and I don't seem able to give it away. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
So what I am dealing with here is she asserted the need for a new car of some sort, most likely SUV or pickup so she can haul bikes and various other stuff that is a mystery to me. I got a $ range and a list of things she DOESN'T want, as below. It has to be reliable or have some sort of warranty to fix anything that breaks, basically she doesn't want to deal with anything automotive-related except to drive it. Most cars these days are fairly reliable it seems, but repair costs would be the killer if something does go wrong. So I started offering some thoughts and she quickly got overwhelmed (she has a hard time with multi-dimensional choices) and said she just wanted me to tell her the best choice. The BMW factory is here in SC, they make the X SUV things, so that was something that had appeal. I suggested a Benz SUV and showed her some MLs and GLs. She thought they looked nice and some of the used ones are in the acceptable price range (interest rates are low, so that helps on price). I was thinking CPO or some sort of aftermarket warranty thing like Carmax offers. I guess the next step is to get her to a dealer or Carmax or something where she can see some vehicles. Maybe even a lease to cover the fixing aspect, but I guess a CPO would be nearly as good. --R On 2/23/15 1:09 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: If you can get a certified one, doesn't the warranty increase to 100K? If you want to drive a Mercedes because you like them, appreciate the quality, etc and can afford it, I would think a CPO would be a great way to go. Is your wife the kind that wants a newer car every 5 years or so? If so, the GL or ML doesn't have to last forever and might still be under the certified warranty. If you plan to buy it until the wheels fall off, that's a different story. For S30-40,000 you can buy a very nice SUV of just about any make and probably many are still under original warranty: You can find all kinds of Explorers and even Expeditions with much lower mileage and only 1-2 years old and under factory warranty for the same or probably lower prices. Here's an ML that is still in factory warranty: http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11373748AVi=85No=80Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page I suppose Honda's are out? http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11698598AVi=38No=20Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page My father has a Toyota Highlander and absolutely loves it. http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11430560AVi=102No=100Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page Don Snook -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [mailto:richthomas79td...@constructivity.net] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OK What do you think? I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Antique Mercedes
In excellent condition except for delaminated wood , peeling paint, and broken window regulator. Seller sounds like a complete a**h*le. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/4900590043.html Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
To me, the only way to own a newish MB is on lease or CPO, and only IF you are near a decent stealership. Even so, they will find ways to dent (not ding) you substantially. I won't drive 50 to 200 miles each way for an oel change. You don't want to own it when the electronics go bad. know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] freecycle [was: Re: ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens]
The ratio of WANTED to OFFERS is a measure of an area's affluence, or deficiency thereof. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I once got an i7 Intel processor, 12GB of RAM and two optical drives from a guy who was upgrading his computer. Sweet. I have used it to get rid of plantings and scrap metal, among other things. I wish ours was busier, but I'm not sure why it's not. Far more wanteds than offers could be why Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've gotten some amazing stuff (all in one printer, tomato cages), and donated a ton of stuff as well. Seems like there are 10 Offers for every Wanted, and the email traffic is very heavy. I usually just scan each email for Wanted before deleting. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:40:42 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ours seems to work just fine, no problems switching over form Yahoo. Amazingly, there are over 2,000 members but at best one post a day. I suspect it has a lot to do with demographics. That's for sure. I subscribed to the Elkhart and Goshen, Indiana groups and see a non-Los Alamos post about once every 3 to 4 weeks. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Hi-Lift Jacks [was: Re: Okie acres fun]
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:53:32 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.hi-lift.com All this talk of Hi-Lift jacks piqued my curiosity as to what I have in that type of jack, so I just went out into the garage and looked over the jack: It's a red Hi-Lift jack! I lent it to a friend who was working on his house about 10 years ago. I didn't inspect it when he returned it, but later discovered the main steel bar was curved with a fairly large radius instead of being straight. I have wondered if it would be possible to straighten it, but haven't had the equipment to do so. Since I found out that it's cast iron, maybe that would be unsafe. In looking that the website Dan linked, I found they sell the individual parts. The 48 bar (which I have) is $21.78. The 60 bar is $24.59. They also have a Fix-It-Kit that includes the climbing pins and springs, the safety shear bolt and nut, and a tube of grease for $25.51. So, they are a company which makes an outstanding product and supports it, too! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] freecycle [was: Re: ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens]
I would agree that affluence has a big effect, but around here I see a lot of wanteds being cross posted to other groups in the area. Since ours is pretty quiet I typically only check it for mod approvals once a day. When someone posts the same request in another group in the area I can see it as well as the status. It's nice as it gives me some feedback on what other mods are thinking about for the same request. Our group is geographically a rural area, but there are affluent pockets. However, I don't see a lot of people from those areas posting, so I question how much of the membership is from those areas. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The ratio of WANTED to OFFERS is a measure of an area's affluence, or deficiency thereof. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] freecycle [was: Re: ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens]
I once got an i7 Intel processor, 12GB of RAM and two optical drives from a guy who was upgrading his computer. Sweet. I have used it to get rid of plantings and scrap metal, among other things. I wish ours was busier, but I'm not sure why it's not. Far more wanteds than offers could be why Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've gotten some amazing stuff (all in one printer, tomato cages), and donated a ton of stuff as well. Seems like there are 10 Offers for every Wanted, and the email traffic is very heavy. I usually just scan each email for Wanted before deleting. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:40:42 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ours seems to work just fine, no problems switching over form Yahoo. Amazingly, there are over 2,000 members but at best one post a day. I suspect it has a lot to do with demographics. That's for sure. I subscribed to the Elkhart and Goshen, Indiana groups and see a non-Los Alamos post about once every 3 to 4 weeks. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
I'm confused - is the GL the equivalent of a Gelandewagen? Sure doesn't look like one... GL now means Rich Broad Wagen You may substitute other words into the middle position of the phrase. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
No, just slapdash. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:45 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew has ADD? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 22/02/2015 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I say the temperature gauge is faulty. Pay attention Andrew. It overheats and spews coolant out of the overflow hose. If it was just an issue of a bad sensor or gauge, it would tell you it was hot but it would not spew coolant. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: OK What do you think?
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 23, 2015 at 1:20:30 PM EST To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think? No the GL is a turd compared to a G. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm confused - is the GL the equivalent of a Gelandewagen? Sure doesn't look like one... On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:06 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Buy a the real deal. G-wagen. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens
Andrew.It's on the way. Camel cart. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:43:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Fred, Great - thanks!. I'm at 7913 Cypress Grove Lane, Cabin John, MD 20818. Please make sure it's the passenger side lens. I'll send you a check or something you may need, that I have. Let me know. Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hi-Lift Jacks [was: Re: Okie acres fun]
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:28:12 -0800 Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There's a reason just about every serious offroader has one on his rig and its not just because they look cool... http://www.hi-lift.com/press/knockoffs.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
No this wasn't meant for Banned. When I turn to the right while accelerating, I hear a clicking in the rear end. When I turn to the right and I am NOT accelerating, I do not hear that clunking. What is going on? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:03:02 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No this wasn't meant for Banned. When I turn to the right while accelerating, I hear a clicking in the rear end. When I turn to the right and I am NOT accelerating, I do not hear that clunking. What is going on? Sounds like you have a rear-axle half-shaft going bad. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
I do not recall the technical details but an article in the paper here on the weekend suggests that the issue is one of the sun going through a cooler cycle. It suggests that the winter that you folks have been suffering through may become a normal thing for the next 30 years or so as the cycle works its way through. You had best pray for some global warming. RB On 23/02/2015 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
I'm not seeing anything warm on this globe. Climate change I am seeing but how can it be attributed to warming if things are getting colder- much colder. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I do not recall the technical details but an article in the paper here on the weekend suggests that the issue is one of the sun going through a cooler cycle. It suggests that the winter that you folks have been suffering through may become a normal thing for the next 30 years or so as the cycle works its way through. You had best pray for some global warming. RB On 23/02/2015 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Hoya! And butter will kill you and coffee will kill you and so it goes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
I was unable to get a triple square female socket some years ago when I was going to replace the diff on my 190D. Fred ended up giving me what I think was a head bolt that had the correct piece, I'd intended to weld it into a socket but never got around to it, ended up replacing the car since the tinworm was already pretty severe into it. IIRC all 201 and later cars have the externally accessible bolts. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear Put the back up on stands, loosen the diff from its support bracket and let it down a bit (I think with a jack?) which frees up the axles to slide out/in. You need to take off the diff cover to get at some retainer rings in there (quite fiddly, I remember that part!), so make sure you can get the filler plug off first so you can fill it back up after. It is actually not too hard, just fiddly. There are seals too you got to be careful of. Since this car is post-1986, I am pretty sure they don't use the retainer inside the diff. There will be 6 big triple square allen type capscrews at the DIff end. No need to drop the diff. One bolt at the outer end of the axle. Best to order the triple square socket online, as it will probably NOT be at FLAPS, but snappy may have it. Also remember the list experience that replacement new/rebuilt axles are no good. So finding a good used one at car-part.com is a good route. I've had good luck with used ones except for two that some from someone Kaleb sent me to in OK. You have tri-star in your back yard. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Not me, I'm enjoying all the snow. Did I mention I've been allowed to drive the trail groomer? Drove about half an hour (so about 4 miles) on Friday night and about double that on Saturday. Saturday he had me working the drag a little bit, Friday was just learning to steer and run the speed. Its interesting driving a 10' 6 (I'd previously said it was 8' but I was wrong) machine through the woods. Some of the gates are only 11' wide... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter I do not recall the technical details but an article in the paper here on the weekend suggests that the issue is one of the sun going through a cooler cycle. It suggests that the winter that you folks have been suffering through may become a normal thing for the next 30 years or so as the cycle works its way through. You had best pray for some global warming. RB On 23/02/2015 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
So, I posed this question to our guides in Patagonia in the Torres del Paine park in Chile. The mountains there are 4000ish feet high which is more than a kilometer, call it 1.5km. They told us the mountains were under a km of ice, so that makes that the ice was 2.5ish km thick (above current ground level, would have been a lot higher when the sea level was lower because of the snow/ice had a lot of water locked up), call it 7-8000 ft thick, could have been quite a bit more. That ice, except for the Great Southern Ice Sheet up in the mountains, is gone and the climate/weather there is sorta like Colorado, warm in summer, cold in winter. The guides were going on about climate change and global warming, so I asked why 2km of ice melted starting 10,000 years ago or whenever -- there were no power plants or SUVs at that time, and humans were just starting to move over to the Americas, and certainly not way down to El Fin del Mundo. They sorta locked up and dropped the subject and I didn't press it. Note that this expresses no opinion one way or the other on the subject discussed below, but I have not seen an answer to this question. I am wondering if global warming climate change disruption also caused the ice age, but it certainly was not anthropogenic. Then if a big volcano or two lets off, well then you got some pretty serious global cooling. --R On 2/23/15 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Global climate schtuff.
If it from the mainstream (sewer) news or Washington, my thoughts are:- Malt does more than Milton can to justify God's ways to manSlange! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Hmm. My house consumed 500 gallons of heating oil in one month with the thermostat set at 57 degrees. I just spent $600 to have ice dams removed from my roof but they were so thick that they are now only 1 foot thick at the eaves. I'm not liking this winter and I'm furthermore starting to believe that global warming is one big giant hoax. And BTW, the summers are not getting any hotter. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not me, I'm enjoying all the snow. Did I mention I've been allowed to drive the trail groomer? Drove about half an hour (so about 4 miles) on Friday night and about double that on Saturday. Saturday he had me working the drag a little bit, Friday was just learning to steer and run the speed. Its interesting driving a 10' 6 (I'd previously said it was 8' but I was wrong) machine through the woods. Some of the gates are only 11' wide... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter I do not recall the technical details but an article in the paper here on the weekend suggests that the issue is one of the sun going through a cooler cycle. It suggests that the winter that you folks have been suffering through may become a normal thing for the next 30 years or so as the cycle works its way through. You had best pray for some global warming. RB On 23/02/2015 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
On 23/02/2015 4:18 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Hoya! And butter will kill you and coffee will kill you and so it goes. ___ But BEER is good for you. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Your point is... ? On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Hoya! And butter will kill you and coffee will kill you and so it goes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
Put the back up on stands, loosen the diff from its support bracket and let it down a bit (I think with a jack?) which frees up the axles to slide out/in. You need to take off the diff cover to get at some retainer rings in there (quite fiddly, I remember that part!), so make sure you can get the filler plug off first so you can fill it back up after. It is actually not too hard, just fiddly. There are seals too you got to be careful of. Since this car is post-1986, I am pretty sure they don't use the retainer inside the diff. There will be 6 big triple square allen type capscrews at the DIff end. No need to drop the diff. One bolt at the outer end of the axle. Best to order the triple square socket online, as it will probably NOT be at FLAPS, but snappy may have it. Also remember the list experience that replacement new/rebuilt axles are no good. So finding a good used one at car-part.com is a good route. I've had good luck with used ones except for two that some from someone Kaleb sent me to in OK. You have tri-star in your back yard. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
And proof of God's love. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter On 23/02/2015 4:18 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Hoya! And butter will kill you and coffee will kill you and so it goes. ___ But BEER is good for you. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
This a strong hint towards a cracked head or gasket. On Feb 22, 2015 4:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I keep on forgetting the boiling over stuff. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Faulty temperature gauge won't make it pressurize and spill coolant! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
R-12 was banned due to the destruction of the ozone layer, which is in much better shape now that it was 20 years ago. No recent stories of pigs in Australia with skin cancers on their ears. There was no global cooling, and as far as I remember, no one I was around in those days paid any attention to the notion. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
40 years ago we had to give up R-12 because of global cooling. Now that we have global warming, why can't we use R-12 again? Seems like it would counteract global warming. Gerry That too was a hoax. We had to abandon r-12 because the dupont patent was expiring. They had the best pols money could buy, as well as extremist groups. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Craig: I also have a PhD, I'm not an ignorant yahoo from under a rock. Over the four decades I've been paying attention to this subject, I've had the opportunity to work with people directly involved in the discussion at several universities and Forestry Canada, where I did a Post-Doc. I have not heard serious debate about either the fact nor the consequences of global warming for a very long time from climatologists or ecologists. This is because under clintonistas, dissent was suppressed. It still is. I know of University climatologists who called it hoya from the beginning, and still do. I have heard considerable discussion of magnitude of effects and timing and self-correcting mechanisms, but amongst the academics outside the fossil fuel industry, global climate change to a much warmer planet and wilder weather is a done deal, and has been for a couple decades. The only debate comes from outside academic research facilities, primarily from organizations funded by the fossil fuel industry. Climate change is indeed cyclical, but there is a significant difference between this warming cycle and the last one, specifically that the CO2 content of the atmosphere is very much higher than it has been as far back as the ice data from Greenland and Antarctica goes. I have heard some speculation that the CO2 level in the atmosphere has not been this high since the last massive species die-off, although I suspect that would be somewhat hard to clearly demonstrate. This is only true IF you believe the corrupt data and the corrupt modelling software. The corruption has been exposed outside NA, but is suppressed in the USA and evidently, Canada. Again, GIGO. That proves nothing. The last time we had very warm and dry conditions in the US, the tall grass grasslands (think Kansas) extended into eastern Ohio. Most of what is now short grass grasslands was desert, and the desert areas in the southwest were as dry as the Sahara. What would it be like with even more heat? Beware material produced by people with a PAID agenda. Peter, you are Absolutely right. University scientists are, by and large, independent. No More. They ALL depend on Gooberment agendas or the agenda of some other organization. Nearly ALL university positions are bought and paid for, as are the results Ask Prof. Guiterrez, formerly of ISU, about academic freedom Plenty of other examples. Almost all ag research is funded by the big 3 or 4 chemical/seed companies, or with goobermnt money guided by people who work, or worked for the Chem/seed companies or big pharma. People who work for foundations funded by sources wishing to perpetuate a highly profitable business are highly suspect. You don't think albore has made money on this hoax? A PhD does not make one immune to corruption, as the sludge produced by any number of think tanks demonstrates quite nicely. I don't know if you are old enough to have grown up in the 60's, or missed that decade of insanity, but I personally learned to sift through the propaganda generated by organizations dedicated to enriching themselves at other people's expense and to verify data and conclusions from a rational rather than emotional viewpoint. Saves endless trouble. In this day and age when everything is reversed you make me laugh when you accuse university scientist of faking data to get grants by quoting people being paid by the Koch brothers to muddy the water. Mirrors everywhere, and more than enough smoke being blown. The faked data is all there in the Telegraph articles, if you would dare to read it. Even published scientific papers have to be evaluated carefully, Dead right again, Peter. In the publish or perish academic works most of what is published is garbage. We were trained to pick it apart. In nearly every case outside Ag, the statistics are worthless. In ag, the results are what Big Chem or big pharma wants to see. The whole system is corrupt, and I will stand up and call it Hoya! If not the stat, then the methodology, or sample don't stand up. particularly when they are not based on precise data (and no climate data is precise, climate is a chaotic system). One must always consider the source, the source of funding, and the known or possible agenda of anything that smacks of politics or social behavior, they cannot be neatly quantified in the way physical measurements are. Absolutely! Peter you are absolutely RIGHT again. U East Anglia faked the temp data. it is documented outside the USA. Only in the USA is the myth sustained. Consider the source, the source of funding, and the known or possible agenda of anything that smacks of politics or social behavior. Those elements are there in the faked East Anglia data and in the data faked by the USA. Those elements are there in the corrupt modelling software. Again, the corruption has been documented outside the
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
--R wrote: ...but it certainly was not anthropogenic. Were you there? Did you witness lack of anthropogenic? We really have propensity to jump to conclusions. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hi-Lift Jacks [was: Re: Okie acres fun]
Probably only need one wench to use that jack. ;) -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Or.. perhaps it could have been to cover the tactical error of cooking the books and outright lying about the scientific findings which kept them in grant money for more than a decade.. perhaps... The question comes could a grant be made to do the calculation of actual cost result of the decade of fabrication by the self appointed experts who called global warming and then assigned all the various causes, which resulted in social engineering legislation and regulation... Ohh... and lost jobs... and lost taxes from lost incomes.. Maybe we can find a slick shyster and sue albore as a class action? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
Leases might be worth considering if her yearly mileage is not excessive. A lot of people down here in Fla are taking advantage of the low priced lease arrangements since most warrantees have a list of exclusions that can be expensive if something breaks, and modern complicated cars can be very expensive to repair. Few DIYers can repair much of the mass of electronics in most of them. Gerry Rich Thomas wrote: So what I am dealing with here is she asserted the need for a new car of some sort, most likely SUV or pickup so she can haul bikes and various other stuff that is a mystery to me. I got a $ range and a list of things she DOESN'T want, as below. It has to be reliable or have some sort of warranty to fix anything that breaks, basically she doesn't want to deal with anything automotive-related except to drive it. Most cars these days are fairly reliable it seems, but repair costs would be the killer if something does go wrong. So I started offering some thoughts and she quickly got overwhelmed (she has a hard time with multi-dimensional choices) and said she just wanted me to tell her the best choice. The BMW factory is here in SC, they make the X SUV things, so that was something that had appeal. I suggested a Benz SUV and showed her some MLs and GLs. She thought they looked nice and some of the used ones are in the acceptable price range (interest rates are low, so that helps on price). I was thinking CPO or some sort of aftermarket warranty thing like Carmax offers. I guess the next step is to get her to a dealer or Carmax or something where she can see some vehicles. Maybe even a lease to cover the fixing aspect, but I guess a CPO would be nearly as good. --R On 2/23/15 1:09 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: If you can get a certified one, doesn't the warranty increase to 100K? If you want to drive a Mercedes because you like them, appreciate the quality, etc and can afford it, I would think a CPO would be a great way to go. Is your wife the kind that wants a newer car every 5 years or so? If so, the GL or ML doesn't have to last forever and might still be under the certified warranty. If you plan to buy it until the wheels fall off, that's a different story. For S30-40,000 you can buy a very nice SUV of just about any make and probably many are still under original warranty: You can find all kinds of Explorers and even Expeditions with much lower mileage and only 1-2 years old and under factory warranty for the same or probably lower prices. Here's an ML that is still in factory warranty: http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11373748AVi=85No=80Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page I suppose Honda's are out? http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11698598AVi=38No=20Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page My father has a Toyota Highlander and absolutely loves it. http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/default.html?id=11430560AVi=102No=100Rp=RD=90zip=67207N=4294966724+4294963150Q=3baba286-2ac9-4731-8d40-d683f6d9d22fEp=search:results:results%20page Don Snook -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [mailto:richthomas79td...@constructivity.net] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OK What do you think? I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300
Re: [MBZ] Okie acres fun
On 2/23/2015 12:17 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Do these still have the doodads for stretching barbed wire too? Kleb is now out there on the ranch and might need to do that. You probably mean the tool I grew up calling a come-a-long, which I gather is known now as a cable hoist puller- a device with a ratchet lever that draws in a hook on a cable. I have 4 of these. One, with two 10' chains, is behind the seat of my pickup. The others are hanging in the barn/out buildings where last used to lift on and off the sides to my flat bed truck, the wood splitter to the tractor loader bucket, etc. They are half the price of a high lift jack and more versatile. The problem with the jack is that it has only 4' of travel and a good bit of that is used in taking up slack when you use chains. Come-a-longs have more like 8'/10' travel. i use cheap ones rated at 2 tons. Since there is almost always a handy tree to pull or lift from here in WV the come-a-longs work best for me. (I did knock together an A frame for using a come-a-long to pull a stuck pump out of a well that didn't happen to have a tree in the right place.) I have used multiple come-a-longs at once in rescuing over the hill machines. Since Kleb is out there in the wide open spaces and so much involved with vehicles I can see why the high lift jack would be his first choice. But I bet he will need a come-a-long or two eventually, if he doesn't already have them. To my way of thinking the big advantage to either the jack or come-a-long is that things happen gradually. You can hear/feel it if something is getting stressed to much. With power equipment things often break before you can stop. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Don't say ain't! Your mother will faint! Your father will fall in a bucket of paint! Your sister will cry! Your brother will die! Your dog will call the FBI! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
There has been indeed a great deal of money spent and fake data generated in the climate debate, but it's all from the fossil fuel industry aimed at convincing the general public that climate change is a hoax. Peter, I respect you very much but this paragraph is dead wrong. Read the Telegraph articles about how the climate researchers and our federal goobermnt fabricated data to show a warming climate when there was none. This is in no way intended to demean you in the least, but to point out the sources of the errors. There is also ample evidence the computer models used to make predictions are corrupt. You know: Garbage in, Garbage out. All the evidence is based on corrupted data and corrupt software, designed to produce the desired results. None of the anti climate change people are climatologists, and the vast majority of them do not have any real qualifications in science. This too is untrue. there are many climatologists who called Foul! years ago. They have been harrasses and nearly silenced. Now more are getting brave enough to speak out and many more are now finding out they have been scammed. They do produce very high quality deliverables for their clients -- Mobil, the Koch Brothers, and the coal industry. Very expensive deliverables, too -- couple billion dollars worth. As does the climate change industry for albore and his crowd who are making billions off the hoax. Of the 19,464 peer reviewed scientific articles concerning climate change published since about 1975, about 26 do not support rapidly accelerating human caused climate change. I have read papers, lots of papers in grad school, and the vast majority is pure BS. Any good statistician will tell you so. How many papers or data sets that did not fit the template have been rejected? You surely know, that the authors of each paper write it to the tastes for the review board. If the publication wants it and your grant funding depends on it, you WILL distort the data, or lie with statistics to prove what you want. Read How to Lie with Statistics It is old, but it is the textbook for climate scientists who believe in Global Warming Climate Change or whetever the next name will be. Learn some statistics, Get a BS meter, do some real science reading, and turn off CNN, CBS NBCBS, ABCBS, MSNBCBS, news, and stop reading that blog started by some furrin dumb blond rich bitch.. The BS meter goes off the charts on every Pro climate change (or whatever the currently in vogue name is) scientific article. The global warming/climate change hoax also reveals the other great hoax of our time: education including higher education Fortunately, when I went to Jr High and HS, we were taught to use critical thinking and challenge the premises. I'd guess 90% of the published scholarly articles are pure hogwash, with unsound statistics. But the profs need publications, so the good ol boy system is at work. I'll approve yours if you approve mine. My Master's thesis was nothing outstanding, but it was real research in an unexplored area, and the statistics were good. At a large Research 1 university, it earned a research excellence award because real research is so scarce. After that, the department chair was plagiarizing furrin grad students' papers and publishing them under his name as his research. More Fraud. The research 1 university covered for him, threatened all the grad students and got him a job as a DEAN at a lesser university. Unless the scientific paper is more than 30 years old, and in the fields of agriculture or vet Med, it has a very high probability of being BS. Aside from the scientific arguments, I also have the power of observation, and the privilege of living through some major volcanic eruptions. A Lean some science, do some real science reading, and turn off Fox news. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
40 years ago we had to give up R-12 because of global cooling. Now that we have global warming, why can't we use R-12 again? Seems like it would counteract global warming. Gerry Rich Thomas wrote: So, I posed this question to our guides in Patagonia in the Torres del Paine park in Chile. The mountains there are 4000ish feet high which is more than a kilometer, call it 1.5km. They told us the mountains were under a km of ice, so that makes that the ice was 2.5ish km thick (above current ground level, would have been a lot higher when the sea level was lower because of the snow/ice had a lot of water locked up), call it 7-8000 ft thick, could have been quite a bit more. That ice, except for the Great Southern Ice Sheet up in the mountains, is gone and the climate/weather there is sorta like Colorado, warm in summer, cold in winter. The guides were going on about climate change and global warming, so I asked why 2km of ice melted starting 10,000 years ago or whenever -- there were no power plants or SUVs at that time, and humans were just starting to move over to the Americas, and certainly not way down to El Fin del Mundo. They sorta locked up and dropped the subject and I didn't press it. Note that this expresses no opinion one way or the other on the subject discussed below, but I have not seen an answer to this question. I am wondering if global warming climate change disruption also caused the ice age, but it certainly was not anthropogenic. Then if a big volcano or two lets off, well then you got some pretty serious global cooling. --R On 2/23/15 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5736 / Virus Database: 4293/9169 - Release Date: 02/23/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Maybe CO2 is an icebox gas? CO2 has to be the problem or the political leverage is lost. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of dseretakis--- via Mercedes Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:11 PM To: Randy Bennell; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter I'm not seeing anything warm on this globe. Climate change I am seeing but how can it be attributed to warming if things are getting colder- much colder. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheels
Except it's much more useful. More like using a Randall knife to peel potatoes. Manfred Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That's like those fake security cameras for $19.95. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:37 PM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I did just that a few months ago. Put the wheel on my 83 TD. It is about an inch smaller in dia. but it feels and looks a lot better then the old one. Also looks like I have an air bag. Though I did take that out of there. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheels
Never heard of a Randall knife. Should I want one? On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 9:54 PM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Except it's much more useful. More like using a Randall knife to peel potatoes. Manfred Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That's like those fake security cameras for $19.95. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:37 PM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I did just that a few months ago. Put the wheel on my 83 TD. It is about an inch smaller in dia. but it feels and looks a lot better then the old one. Also looks like I have an air bag. Though I did take that out of there. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Well.. it seems my questions and suggestions may have touched a nerve or two... good. Some are stimulated to spew.. others are stimulated to do.. you decide. As for myself, I see indication the numbers were skewed, information was spewed, and we were screwed.. Further, I see indications that bad science was accepted as the foundational logic for further studies and epic announcements of climate change causes and effects. I find this troubling. I do note, however, that since Al Gore has closed his mouth, winters have gotten much colder.. logic would indicate it is from the sudden shortfall of hot air Vengeance is Mine, Sayeth the Lord Every time albore and his buddies had a global warming convention, it was extremely cold and nasty. God has a sense of humor! Unfortunately, the narcissists completely missed the point He was making. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Randy wrote: But BEER is good for you. What is the trio of lines about beer? I drink beer so that... When beer does... Therefore beer is... Someone? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Tell me why the term global warming went into disfavor? In it's place, some climatologists now use the term climate change. Why? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: --R wrote: ...but it certainly was not anthropogenic. Were you there? Did you witness lack of anthropogenic? We really have propensity to jump to conclusions. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:30:28 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: None of the anti climate change people are climatologists, and the vast majority of them do not have any real qualifications in science. They do produce very high quality deliverables for their clients -- Mobil, the Koch Brothers, and the coal industry. Very expensive deliverables, too -- couple billion dollars worth. Of the 19,464 peer reviewed scientific articles concerning climate change published since about 1975, about 26 do not support rapidly accelerating human caused climate change. Lean some science, do some real science reading, and turn off Fox news. Peter, We have been at this before. Stop spouting your nonsense; it is not backed up by real science. There are many who do not suscribe to the current climate hysteria fad who have superlative credentials as climatologists. Their contributions are suppressed because they do not conform to the present political correctness. There are many who do subscribe to the current climate hysteria fad because it lines their pockets and gives them power. There are many who spout of as knowledgable sources who have nothing more than a good microphone. You are the one who needs to learn some science and do some real science reading. Craig Ph.D. Physics ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Craig: I also have a PhD, I'm not an ignorant yahoo from under a rock. Over the four decades I've been paying attention to this subject, I've had the opportunity to work with people directly involved in the discussion at several universities and Forestry Canada, where I did a Post-Doc. I have not heard serious debate about either the fact nor the consequences of global warming for a very long time from climatologists or ecologists. I have heard considerable discussion of magnitude of effects and timing and self-correcting mechanisms, but amongst the academics outside the fossil fuel industry, global climate change to a much warmer planet and wilder weather is a done deal, and has been for a couple decades. The only debate comes from outside academic research facilities, primarily from organizations funded by the fossil fuel industry. Climate change is indeed cyclical, but there is a significant difference between this warming cycle and the last one, specifically that the CO2 content of the atmosphere is very much higher than it has been as far back as the ice data from Greenland and Antarctica goes. I have heard some speculation that the CO2 level in the atmosphere has not been this high since the last massive species die-off, although I suspect that would be somewhat hard to clearly demonstrate. The last time we had very warm and dry conditions in the US, the tall grass grasslands (think Kansas) extended into eastern Ohio. Most of what is now short grass grasslands was desert, and the desert areas in the southwest were as dry as the Sahara. What would it be like with even more heat? Beware material produced by people with a PAID agenda. University scientists are, by and large, independent. People who work for foundations funded by sources wishing to perpetuate a highly profitable business are highly suspect. A PhD does not make one immune to corruption, as the sludge produced by any number of think tanks demonstrates quite nicely. I don't know if you are old enough to have grown up in the 60's, or missed that decade of insanity, but I personally learned to sift through the propaganda generated by organizations dedicated to enriching themselves at other people's expense and to verify data and conclusions from a rational rather than emotional viewpoint. Saves endless trouble. In this day and age when everything is reversed you make me laugh when you accuse university scientist of faking data to get grants by quoting people being paid by the Koch brothers to muddy the water. Mirrors everywhere, and more than enough smoke being blown. Even published scientific papers have to be evaluated carefully, particularly when they are not based on precise data (and no climate data is precise, climate is a chaotic system). One must always consider the source, the source of funding, and the known or possible agenda of anything that smacks of politics or social behavior, they cannot be neatly quantified in the way physical measurements are. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheels
You and Max should send them to Kaleb. He could put one under each wheel, fire them together, and that truck should come 'way out of the ruts. Gerry Manfred wrote: I did just that a few months ago. Put the wheel on my 83 TD. It is about an inch smaller in dia. but it feels and looks a lot better then the old one. Also looks like I have an air bag. Though I did take that out of there. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
W123 or W124? W124 the axles bolt to a cup on the side of the diff, you don't have to open it up. Hexhead bolts, though. Not a bad job except that the exhaust has to be dropped on the driver's side to get the half shaft out. Just changed one on my brother's 300E a couple weeks ago. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Was it because the warming trend stopped about 15 years ago, so in order to keep the grant money flowing they had to come up with something new? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On February 23, 2015 7:27:48 PM EST, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Tell me why the term global warming went into disfavor? In it's place, some climatologists now use the term climate change. Why? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OK What do you think?
Daughter dearly loves her ('08?) GL320cdi but her husband (who pays the bills)
is constantly amazed at the number, frequency, and cost of repairs.
One large expense was finally improved by buying Michelins best grade of tires
which lasted much longer than any other.
If you buy a GL be sure there is a mechanic who knows how to fix them, or a
dealer within a reasonable distance.
Gerry
Rich Thomas wrote:
I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new
vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I
like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of
them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I
am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one,
the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I
know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent,
coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so
reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial
scouting expedition.
Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take
her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about
not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now,
but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too.
I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection.
I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there.
--R
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Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Tell me why the term global warming went into disfavor? In it's place, some climatologists now use the term climate change. Why? Sent from my iPhone Most people caught on that no global warming is happening. Aside from the major prehistoric climate shifts, the solar cycles, and therefore the earth, goes through naturally occurring heating and cooling cycles of about 30 years, also since prehistoric times. The Renaissance occurred in part because Yurp had exceedingly warm years, leading to plentiful food and fewer people starving and freezing to death. When people caught on to the global warming hoax, then the Albore crowd who is making tons of money scaring people and getting laws made to favor them, buying goobermnts where ever they can, decided that the cooling that was actually occurring, just as predicted in Popular Science some 40 years ago, could be capitalized on by renaming the scam climate change. As W. Edwards Deming said decades ago, and actually he was quoting Walter Shewhart, never mis-take special cause variation for normal variation.The normal variation of the climate far exceeds the extremes of recorded temperature (climate) conditions. To use Statistical Process Control terminology, the Earth climate process is within normal variation. The upper and lower control limits are well beyond any climate that has been encountered in recorded history. The process is chugging along as designed since the Great Flood without, (and in spite of) any attempted or mistaken inputs by people. If you read the telegraph newspaper of the UK, they expose and lay bare major parts of the hoax. The USSA media is too engaged in the hoax to present any truth. More parts of the hoax were reveled by the Telegraph in the past few weeks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
I'd guess language in the warranty voids the warranty unless you have service records from an authorized service center which, in the USA means the stealership. If you ever had a serious warranty claim, they'd use that to make you pay. Changing oil in these modern cars is as easy as a 240D. You can easily do the basic maintenance yourself. When I was with Harman, I did the oil changes on the S550 and S600 we had there. You can reset the service indicator without any special tools. Jaime On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.commercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: To me, the only way to own a newish MB is on lease or CPO, and only IF you are near a decent stealership. Even so, they will find ways to dent (not ding) you substantially. I won't drive 50 to 200 miles each way for an oel change. You don't want to own it when the electronics go bad. know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.htmlhttp://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.htmlhttp://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htmhttp://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.comhttp://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.comhttp://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 17:49:37 -0500 dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not liking this winter and I'm furthermore starting to believe that global warming is one big giant hoax. It is, and a very lucrative one for those who want to control you and for those who want to take your money and live off the dole. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
There has been indeed a great deal of money spent and fake data generated in the climate debate, but it's all from the fossil fuel industry aimed at convincing the general public that climate change is a hoax. None of the anti climate change people are climatologists, and the vast majority of them do not have any real qualifications in science. They do produce very high quality deliverables for their clients -- Mobil, the Koch Brothers, and the coal industry. Very expensive deliverables, too -- couple billion dollars worth. Of the 19,464 peer reviewed scientific articles concerning climate change published since about 1975, about 26 do not support rapidly accelerating human caused climate change. Lean some science, do some real science reading, and turn off Fox news. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
The outer joint on a half shaft is bad. Replace with a good used one or new -- new is expensive. rebuilt is usually junk. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Well.. it seems my questions and suggestions may have touched a nerve or two... good. Some are stimulated to spew.. others are stimulated to do.. you decide. As for myself, I see indication the numbers were skewed, information was spewed, and we were screwed.. Further, I see indications that bad science was accepted as the foundational logic for further studies and epic announcements of climate change causes and effects. I find this troubling. I do note, however, that since Al Gore has closed his mouth, winters have gotten much colder.. logic would indicate it is from the sudden shortfall of hot air On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:30:28 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: None of the anti climate change people are climatologists, and the vast majority of them do not have any real qualifications in science. They do produce very high quality deliverables for their clients -- Mobil, the Koch Brothers, and the coal industry. Very expensive deliverables, too -- couple billion dollars worth. Of the 19,464 peer reviewed scientific articles concerning climate change published since about 1975, about 26 do not support rapidly accelerating human caused climate change. Lean some science, do some real science reading, and turn off Fox news. Peter, We have been at this before. Stop spouting your nonsense; it is not backed up by real science. There are many who do not suscribe to the current climate hysteria fad who have superlative credentials as climatologists. Their contributions are suppressed because they do not conform to the present political correctness. There are many who do subscribe to the current climate hysteria fad because it lines their pockets and gives them power. There are many who spout of as knowledgable sources who have nothing more than a good microphone. You are the one who needs to learn some science and do some real science reading. Craig Ph.D. Physics ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Well.. it seems my questions and suggestions may have touched a nerve or two... good. Some are stimulated to spew.. others are stimulated to do.. you decide. As for myself, I see indication the numbers were skewed, information was spewed, and we were screwed.. Further, I see indications that bad science was accepted as the foundational logic for further studies and epic announcements of climate change causes and effects. I find this troubling. I do note, however, that since Al Gore has closed his mouth, winters have gotten much colder.. logic would indicate it is from the sudden shortfall of hot air When I lived on the slopes of Kilauea, we had company speakers, and also lectures at the HVNP on Wed nights. Some of these speakers were from the Hawaii Volcano Observatory. They told us in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, before the albore crowd invented global warming that the amount of pollution, and airborne solids from a volcanic eruption far exceeds the pollution from fossil fuels. THis information has been suppressed, beginning in the clinton era, and continuing until now. For reference, when St. Helens blew, the alarmists said we'd be suffering the effects for years. COld winters, crop failures, etc. We got a little ash dripped out about a week later, sand size granules, and it was overcast for a few days. Nothing unusual. Same with Pinetubo. Also, no long term effect, except locally. Our lil ol planet is much more resilient than the albore crowd gives it credit for.Nothing but NORMAL VARIATION, since the Great Flood. Just think about it logically. Here is a short term event (in the cases of most recent eruptions, except Kilauea) that spews enough pollutants, gases, rock dust, steam etc to cover maybe a quarter of the globe or more. Check the satellite images and the real data. No human made event has ever done that. Not even nuclear weapons. The Earth shrugs it off, and within a few days is back to normal. Kilauea's Pu'u O'o has been going constantly since January 3, 1983. Where is the climate change caused by 32 years of constant pollution CO2, NOx, SOx, dust, steam etc. Far more than all the vehicles ever produced, and probably more than all the fossil fuels ever burned. You can't study a volcano, even in casual observation, and believe the albore hocus pocus. Drive your maybach, run a pipeline, the earth will shrug it off. Normal Variation. Read Shewharts book! It is great work from the 1930s. Probably tough to find outside a university library. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
dseretakis wrote: Climate change I am seeing but how can it be attributed to warming if things are getting colder- much colder. Becuz... We are pumping out all the good fuel used to warm the climate. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klunking in the Rear
I would guess left side axle, which is loaded when you turn right. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On February 23, 2015 6:57:21 PM EST, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The outer joint on a half shaft is bad. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: US oil train safety report from The Associated Press
Also back in the day, the Pentagon was built in only 16 months. http://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-pentagon -Original Message- From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:52 PM Here's a pipeline story, one that helped us win WW2. I imagine they didn't do an environmental impact report before installing this one... https://www.youtube.com/v/Nv9lBqPVuoEfeature=uploademail On Feb 22, 2015, at 5:40 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
On 23/02/2015 4:49 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Hmm. My house consumed 500 gallons of heating oil in one month with the thermostat set at 57 degrees. I just spent $600 to have ice dams removed from my roof but they were so thick that they are now only 1 foot thick at the eaves. I'm not liking this winter and I'm furthermore starting to believe that global warming is one big giant hoax. And BTW, the summers are not getting any hotter. YOU sir, need a winter home in Florida! RB (who also needs one of those) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
The volcanos were mentioned in the article I mentioned earlier about cool periods of time. There is evidence of earlier periods when the sun cooled for a time and one of those coincides with a period when there were some massive eruptions too and that cooled things even more. I shall see if I still have that paper and tell you more tomorrow if so. RB On 23/02/2015 4:42 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: So, I posed this question to our guides in Patagonia in the Torres del Paine park in Chile. The mountains there are 4000ish feet high which is more than a kilometer, call it 1.5km. They told us the mountains were under a km of ice, so that makes that the ice was 2.5ish km thick (above current ground level, would have been a lot higher when the sea level was lower because of the snow/ice had a lot of water locked up), call it 7-8000 ft thick, could have been quite a bit more. That ice, except for the Great Southern Ice Sheet up in the mountains, is gone and the climate/weather there is sorta like Colorado, warm in summer, cold in winter. The guides were going on about climate change and global warming, so I asked why 2km of ice melted starting 10,000 years ago or whenever -- there were no power plants or SUVs at that time, and humans were just starting to move over to the Americas, and certainly not way down to El Fin del Mundo. They sorta locked up and dropped the subject and I didn't press it. Note that this expresses no opinion one way or the other on the subject discussed below, but I have not seen an answer to this question. I am wondering if global warming climate change disruption also caused the ice age, but it certainly was not anthropogenic. Then if a big volcano or two lets off, well then you got some pretty serious global cooling. --R On 2/23/15 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
I have one and it's great! Dan basking in 70s with open doors/windows On Feb 23, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 23/02/2015 4:49 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Hmm. My house consumed 500 gallons of heating oil in one month with the thermostat set at 57 degrees. I just spent $600 to have ice dams removed from my roof but they were so thick that they are now only 1 foot thick at the eaves. I'm not liking this winter and I'm furthermore starting to believe that global warming is one big giant hoax. And BTW, the summers are not getting any hotter. YOU sir, need a winter home in Florida! RB (who also needs one of those) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
I was never a big fan of Florida, but after visiting Amelia Island concours D'elegance last spring, and getting subjected to this bullshit winter, I'm starting to like it. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have one and it's great! Dan basking in 70s with open doors/windows On Feb 23, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 23/02/2015 4:49 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Hmm. My house consumed 500 gallons of heating oil in one month with the thermostat set at 57 degrees. I just spent $600 to have ice dams removed from my roof but they were so thick that they are now only 1 foot thick at the eaves. I'm not liking this winter and I'm furthermore starting to believe that global warming is one big giant hoax. And BTW, the summers are not getting any hotter. YOU sir, need a winter home in Florida! RB (who also needs one of those) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
The part of Florida I live in (Tampa) is amazingly temperate considering the climate. From October to April our daytime temperatures are typically in the law 70s with low humidity. From May through September it's hot, topping out in the low 90s with moderate humidity. One of the things people don't understand is that it doesn't get Arizona hot here - a 95 degree day would be unusual. Yes, it's humid in the summer, but I will say that's it's not the soaking wet pour me into a bucket humid like it is in the Midwest. We have a nice Gulf breeze that blows most days which tempers the humidity a great deal. I do miss four distinct seasons, especially fall, but not enough that I would ever consider returning north of the Mason-Dixon Line. Or the Florida state line, for that matter. Dan On Feb 23, 2015, at 6:22 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I was never a big fan of Florida, but after visiting Amelia Island concours D'elegance last spring, and getting subjected to this bullshit winter, I'm starting to like it. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have one and it's great! Dan basking in 70s with open doors/windows On Feb 23, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 23/02/2015 4:49 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Hmm. My house consumed 500 gallons of heating oil in one month with the thermostat set at 57 degrees. I just spent $600 to have ice dams removed from my roof but they were so thick that they are now only 1 foot thick at the eaves. I'm not liking this winter and I'm furthermore starting to believe that global warming is one big giant hoax. And BTW, the summers are not getting any hotter. YOU sir, need a winter home in Florida! RB (who also needs one of those) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
How attached is swmba to the lux of having a kraut car over the generic interior a frod offers? I would guess that the top end appointments on an exploder would rival the benz and come to the same costs. I would also think the repair costs are fairly comparable. Toss up clay On Feb 23, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] freecycle [was: Re: ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens]
we have a pretty good balance of offer to wants. All manner of cool stuff comes up, but not as good a deal as Andrew got. I push excess plants to willing adopters. IT is not so good for waste concrete. clay On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The ratio of WANTED to OFFERS is a measure of an area's affluence, or deficiency thereof. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I once got an i7 Intel processor, 12GB of RAM and two optical drives from a guy who was upgrading his computer. Sweet. I have used it to get rid of plantings and scrap metal, among other things. I wish ours was busier, but I'm not sure why it's not. Far more wanteds than offers could be why Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've gotten some amazing stuff (all in one printer, tomato cages), and donated a ton of stuff as well. Seems like there are 10 Offers for every Wanted, and the email traffic is very heavy. I usually just scan each email for Wanted before deleting. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:40:42 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ours seems to work just fine, no problems switching over form Yahoo. Amazingly, there are over 2,000 members but at best one post a day. I suspect it has a lot to do with demographics. That's for sure. I subscribed to the Elkhart and Goshen, Indiana groups and see a non-Los Alamos post about once every 3 to 4 weeks. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
