Re: [MBZ] Looks Like Floyd is Going to Get It

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Hah!  Good one ...

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Aug 3, 2020 6:11:40 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> I'm sitting at my desk
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 8/3/20 6:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> I wish people would always state WHERE THEY ARE when commenting on the
>> weather or storms.
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 5:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oklahoma beach. Any shark attacks there?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 We just had a shower come thru over here at the beach. Sun is back out
>>> now.
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> On Aug 2, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> We’ve gotten a shower from it already, and will probably get a few
>>> more throughout the day. So much for cutting the grass.
> -D
> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> Some rain which we need, and maybe a bit of wind, I'll be headed to
>>> the beach on my bike tomorrow evening!
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 8/2/20 11:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Tropical storm coming your way, buddy. Enjoy!
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] My girl Martha on her honeymoon in a 190

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Next picture title is "After college, I got a job on Wall Street where I became 
an institutional stockbroker," which didn't work out so well...

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Aug 2, 2020 8:52:34 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> yeah that was the one I thought it linked to
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 8/2/20 8:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> And she had good taste in cars, too:
>> 
>> https://www.marthastewart.com/1541520/martha-stewart-best-throwback-photos?did=547332-20200801=87d0645b-50b9-45fb-bea0-b94a87b6f804#87d0645b-50b9-45fb-bea0-b94a87b6f804
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2020, at 8:14 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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>>> 
>>> https://www.marthastewart.com/1541520/martha-stewart-best-throwback-photos?did=547332-20200801
>>> 
>>> She was pretty cute in 1961!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 1972 280SE 4.5 V8 Parts Car Runs 108 Body - $2200 (Franklin, NC)

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Battery not included (needed for his other parts cars).  Might be fun to go 
visit, I'll bet he would take a trade.

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Jul 31, 2020 10:02:34 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> Interesting.  Some other old Benzes in the background in the pics
> 
> https://greenville.craigslist.org/pts/d/pickens-mercedes-se-45-v8-parts-car/7166290528.html
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Friant

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That's why I think friant is part of the problem.  If the original poster 
doesn't understand the correct terms for the issue, further communications seem 
a fool's errand to me.

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Jul 30, 2020 1:44:51 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes :

>>> Freon? But spelled the French way.
>> Aha! That is probably it.
> 
> No.  Add an accent to the "e" to get French.  Friant is
> just stupid.  Or autocorrect.  (Perhaps I repeat myself.)
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Covid infected cat

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So how come cats and dogs aren't wearing masks?

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Jul 27, 2020 1:02:41 PM archer75--- via Mercedes :

> A pet cat has tested positive in the UK for the strain of coronavirus that is 
> causing the current pandemic..
> 
> https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53552557
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

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Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death rate 
too.  Masks alone are not the answer.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :

> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> distancing and masks.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: What is Rich's share of the $520MM?

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Glad to see they finally got one!

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Charleston SC

Jul 23, 2020 2:13:15 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> https://www.postandcourier.com/business/former-scana-executive-pleads-guilty-to-fraud-charges-tied-to-failed-sc-nuclear-project/article_26e23ca8-c50b-11ea-8377-e7b39854212b.html?fbclid=IwAR3uvI3YnBT65fnVYoUpkuR6KG97Wm5skDDA_wTkZ-sk8pqzfk0t7pzoUA8
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> On 7/23/20 12:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> UTILITIES
>> $520M settlement approved in Santee Cooper lawsuit
>> 
>> Published: Wednesday, July 22, 2020
>> 
>> A South Carolina state judge on Monday approved a $520 million settlement
>> in a customer class-action lawsuit against state-owned utility Santee
>> Cooper over increased rates for a failed nuclear construction project.
>> 
>> Judge Jean Toal signed off on the deal, which will provide refunds for
>> nearly all of the utility's 1.7 million customers. After about 90 days,
>> customers will receive some kind of cash payment. Customers with refunds of
>> less than $25 will receive a credit on their bill.
>> 
>> Plaintiffs' lawyers will get 15%, or $77 million to $78 million, of the
>> settlement. Lawyers said the percentage is relatively low in this kind of
>> lawsuit, *The State* newspaper reported
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> The project racked up $4 billion in debt before Santee Cooper pulled out of
>> its minority stake in the V.C. Summer nuclear expansion in July 2017. The
>> project to build two nuclear-powered electric generators in Jenkinsville,
>> about 25 miles (40 kilometers) northwest of Columbia, was shut down before
>> any power was generated because of the rising costs, as Santee Cooper
>> increased rates five times to fund construction.
>> 
>> Monday's finalized deal also requires Santee Cooper to freeze electric
>> rates for four years, which lawyers said could be worth up to $510 million,
>> according
>> 
>> to *The Post and Courier*.
>> 
>> State lawmakers are still deciding whether to sell the utility or re-form
>> it. *— Associated Press*
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions on Eastwood Cobra torch?

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Uh uh uh!  Oooh yah, that looks like fun!

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Charleston SC

Jul 21, 2020 11:31:05 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

> Anyone seen this video, or better yet have experience with this torch?
> 
> Looks like a very nice way to weld or braze, but then again, it's an ad.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kdSwyZRctQ
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Re: [MBZ] Dryer knob and shaft stripped

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No, don't epoxy metal to shaft.  Only epoxy metal to knob.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 21, 2020 8:59:28 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes :

> So would you epoxy the metal into the slot on the shaft first, then coat it 
> with grease and then affix the epoxy filled and slotted knob?
> 
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>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:32 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just had to do a similar repair on the wife's coffee grinder. I'd cut a
>> slot in the shaft, insert a small piece of metal that's wider than the
>> shaft creating wings that you can grab with the knob. Coat the shaft and
>> wings with oil, grease, or mold release. Cut slots for the wings in the
>> knob, fill it up with a good amount of Permatex Plastic Epoxy, and set it
>> in place. It will likely last longer than the rest of the dryer.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 2:26 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> yeah just glue it up and if it ever breaks again cut it off and buy a
>>> new one.  A used dryer would probably be cheaper than the part,
>>> unfortunately, or maybe a used appliance shop would have one for a few
>>> dineros
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 7/21/20 3:07 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
 I have a GE dryer with a plastic knob where the housing that slides over
>>> the timer shaft has cracked. As a result, it wore down the d shaped plastic
>>> shaft and now the knob slips on the shaft. Only way to turn it is with
>>> pliers but then you can’t know where in the cycle you are and this is a
>>> rental property so my tenants probably won’t go for this. The parts alone
>>> plus shipping will cost close to $100. Is there any way around this? Epoxy?
 
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thermal solar in Oz

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Well a 1200lb steam plant on a US Navy ship required about 24 hours to be 
brought online from stone cold, but that can be significantly shortened if you 
don't let it get stone cold.  I would imagine that they would figure a way to 
keep the steam side hot enough so very little time, like 30 minutes or less 
world be needed.  Unlike a ship burning bunker oil, molten salt is not 
producing pollution when in use, so maybe they keep the steam side at full temp 
all day, but just keep the turbines off line until needed.  Bleed enough steam 
through the turbines to keep them hot enough to accept a full load of steam 
nearly instantly.

Jul 21, 2020 2:43:37 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes :
>
> And how long does it take to fire up and shut down the steam turbines?
>
> Mitch.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Advances in Covid Research

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Interesting, thanks!  A potential new treatment for those very ill with Wuhan 
Red Death, and good news on vaccine front.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 21, 2020 3:24:49 PM archer75--- via Mercedes :

> The Oxford vaccine appears to have surpassed expectations
> 
> The Spectator, 20 July 2020, 12:09pm
> 
> Dr Waqar Rashid
> 
> It has been yet another busy medical day in our ‘new-normal’ coronavirus 
> world. Today, the Phase One results of the University of Oxford vaccine were 
> published, confirming positive reports tantalisingly leaked last week. Also 
> making the news is a press release from the pharmaceutical company Synairgen, 
> touting very positive initial results from its inhaled protein, 
> interferon-beta, in treating hospitalised patients with coronavirus.
> 
> In days gone by the publishing of results of a Phase One vaccine study would 
> barely generate a ripple, even in the relevant medical speciality. But of 
> course, this is no ordinary trial and we are truly in extraordinary times.
> 
> All medical products undergo a trial process, starting with studies which 
> look purely at safety (not efficacy). Many trials fail at this stage. You may 
> recall the disastrous Northwick Park study in 2006 which saw six healthy 
> young people develop multiple organ failure from exposure. Once this hurdle 
> is passed then a larger scale trial to look at efficacy is undertaken and if 
> successful, a licence is applied for and distribution follows.
> 
> Today, the preliminary findings for ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (the Covid-19 vaccine) 
> appear to show that it has surpassed expectations. Firstly, the safety hurdle 
> seems to have been met, although 70 per cent of the 1,077 volunteers 
> apparently did report fever or headache. Secondly, and in line with the 
> bullish press releases last week, the vaccine garners both an antibody and 
> T-cell response which it is hoped may provide lasting immunity to the 
> disease. This is vital as studies have shown that patient antibody levels may 
> fall after just three months.
> 
> There are the usual caveats: the study was over a very small timeframe and 
> was not intended to show if it is a working vaccine, so we know little of its 
> long-term safety or effectiveness. Nevertheless, it is now full steam ahead 
> for the larger Phase Three study and the likely riches of being first on the 
> market.
> 
> Make no mistake, a vaccine is the only game in town as far as the Department 
> of Health and the World Health Organisation see it. Despite the continued 
> fall in hospitalisations due to Covid-19 in the UK and the significant 
> reduction in deaths, a return to pre-March 2020 normal life seems a long way 
> off. ‘Cases’ continue to rise in some areas and there is talk of local spikes 
> and lockdowns. Masks will soon be compulsory in shops (something that was not 
> the case at the peak of the epidemic) and of course we still await a possible 
> ‘second wave’. Boris Johnson on Saturday promised a return to 
> ‘near-normality’ by Christmas, but given that is bang in the middle of the 
> respiratory virus season, this would seem grossly optimistic. A 
> ‘game-changer’ is needed to break the cycle of cases and restriction.
> 
> There is actually a coherent argument to be made that cases (positive tests 
> without infection) matter little, as spread from this is at best rare and it 
> may also reflect a move towards community immunity which may allow us to live 
> with this virus. However, the government and scientific advisers have put all 
> their eggs in the vaccine basket.
> 
> The larger Phase Three trial for the Oxford vaccine is already recruiting in 
> Brazil, because there are not enough serious infections in the UK, and a 
> license and production deal has already been signed with AstraZeneca to 
> supply the UK with over 90 million vaccines from as early as September. A 
> subsequent mass vaccination programme would then likely follow. Suddenly the 
> promised Christmas normality would become possible. Hence, a working and safe 
> vaccine is fundamental to these ambitions.
> 
> As I mentioned previously, there is an almost unseemly worldwide race to be 
> the first to develop an effective and safe vaccine. Today’s results, combined 
> with the UK’s block purchasing already underway, confirms Oxford’s 
> credentials as the definite frontrunner.
> 
> Yet the other development of the day: the finding that an inhaled protein, 
> interferon-beta, may dramatically reduce severe Covid-19 lung disease and 
> hospitalisation, may also have a bearing. The preliminary study reported by 
> its pharmaceutical sponsor, Synairgen, from a modestly-sized 100 patient 
> study at the University of Southampton suggests (but no more than that) two 
> very important things.
> 
> Firstly, severe Covid cases may become much more treatable, which could have 
> a significant bearing on future fatalities if a so-called second wave does 
> emerge. Certainly, initial assumptions of 

Re: [MBZ] Covid 19 Mystery

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Further, the number of hospital beds is fungible.  With time, capacity can be 
added, so that number is important but not necessarily THE number to watch.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 21, 2020 10:59:08 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :

> There will be those who don’t believe or want to accept the 
> numbers/statistics/data no matter who provides it, which is a problem in and 
> of itself.
> 
> How can you quantify “recovered”? Off a ventilator? Discharged from the 
> hospital? What about those with milder cases or symptoms? How do you 
> determine they are recovered? Add to this the related issues some of these 
> patients will have for months if not years that will affect their health. If 
> I get off a ventilator and get discharged but suffer from some sort of 
> related breathing issues from the disease, have I recovered?
> 
> My point is not to challenge, but to show that much of this isn’t 
> quantifiable in a clear and direct manner, so it’s nearly impossible to do 
> so. This is unknown territory for everyone.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It depends on who you ask I'm sure. I'd like to find a better listing for 
>> open hospital capacity, thats really the measure for how well we've 
>> flattened the curve and how much we can loosen restrictions.
>> I see references to it now and then but its dang hard to find a reliable 
>> number. Well its hard to find really trustworthy numbers for anything I 
>> suppose...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Monday, July 20, 2020, 3:34:51 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What makes this all confusing and more scary is they continue to report the 
>> number of new cases daily but no the number that recovered that day. In most 
>> cases it just about equals out from what I can tell thru the fog.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The question that I keep coming back to is:- show me the numbers!
>>> For example. Just how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? And what
>>> music will be playing?
>>> Apologies to anyone that I may offend.
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Re: [MBZ] 2005 Diesel Mercedes Benz - $2500 (Mount Pleasant)

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No, boy that was tempting.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 21, 2020 11:00:19 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> Listing gone --did Max go buy it?
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 7/20/20 1:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes, but that black death deal is a simple job.  Tedious, but straight 
>> forward.
>> 
>> This deserves a serious look, I may have to call this guy.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> Jul 20, 2020 11:04:47 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> Black death car?  Looks nice
>>> 
>>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-pleasant-2005-diesel-mercedes-benz/7162558395.html
>>> 
>>> Priced for a quick sale...Cash only...
>>> Original Owner selling the car in Good condition, starts and drives fine. 
>>> All items work, AC, PS, PW, PDL, cruise control, sunroof, trunk opener, 
>>> etc..
>>> 2 sets of keys. Car does need minor maintenance but nothing that prevents 
>>> the car from driving or it’s reliability...
>>> 
>>> Gets 40+ MPG hwy and 30+ MPG city.
>>> 
>>> Tires have fewer then 5K miles on them rated to 50K miles.
>>> Just had oil changed.
>>> Exterior is in good shape and the car has 190K miles.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Covid 19 Mystery

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Fred is stirring the pot!

Come on over to okietalk, we'd love to hear what you really think.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 20, 2020 1:39:18 PM Frederick Moir via Mercedes :

> The question that I keep coming back to is:- show me the numbers!
> For example. Just how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? And what
> music will be playing?
> Apologies to anyone that I may offend.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah Q XIII - save the,Date?

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I think you need medical professional supervision to make sure all attendees 
are safe.  I nominate Karl.  His fee is probably a paid ticket.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 20, 2020 7:41:44 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes :

> We have Goddard Park reserved with our regular sites,for Sept 12.
> We have,been discussing what food if,any might be safe so stay tuned. We
> might have, just Chowdah & steamed clams.
> So save the,date  &  be prepared to bring your own lunch.
> Also i have found a source of MB masks (I know sensitive subject.)
> Unless Goddard Park gets,closed we will carry on.
> 
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> 2005 E320 4matic
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study: Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks

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Another one of my favorites:

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 20, 2020 12:48:01 PM OK Don via Mercedes :

> Thanks, Jim, for sharing that. It is a good read. I think the gist of it is:
> 
> The exact quotation, which is from a letter that Franklin is believed to
> have written on behalf of the Pennsylvania General Assembly, reads, "those
> who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> 
> It is a quotation that defends the authority of a legislature to govern in
> the interests of collective security. It means, in context, not quite the
> opposite of what it's almost always quoted as saying but much closer to the
> opposite than to the thing that people think it means.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 6:52 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Yes, those that would trade liberty for security deserve neither.
>> 
>> The quote should include the word "essential", IIRC.  So I looked it up,
>> and it made for an interesting (short) read:
>> 
>> https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous-liberty-safety-quote-lost-its-context-in-21st-century
>> <
>> https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous-liberty-safety-quote-lost-its-context-in-21st-century
>>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] 2005 Diesel Mercedes Benz - $2500 (Mount Pleasant)

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Yes, but that black death deal is a simple job.  Tedious, but straight forward.

This deserves a serious look, I may have to call this guy.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 20, 2020 11:04:47 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> Black death car?  Looks nice
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-pleasant-2005-diesel-mercedes-benz/7162558395.html
> 
> Priced for a quick sale...Cash only...
> Original Owner selling the car in Good condition, starts and drives fine. All 
> items work, AC, PS, PW, PDL, cruise control, sunroof, trunk opener, etc..
> 2 sets of keys. Car does need minor maintenance but nothing that prevents the 
> car from driving or it’s reliability...
> 
> Gets 40+ MPG hwy and 30+ MPG city.
> 
> Tires have fewer then 5K miles on them rated to 50K miles.
> Just had oil changed.
> Exterior is in good shape and the car has 190K miles.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study: Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks

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How low do the odds of infection need to be for you Don?
In my state, about 1 out of 200 people are infected, if I assume there are ten 
people infected for every one person that tests positive.  This study says that 
odds are greater than 50% that person will not be shedding viruses, but if they 
are shedding viruses, then prolonged contact is probably required for infection 
to occur.

Give me Liberty, or give me COVID-19!

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 19, 2020 8:18:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes :

> Why do you think that you are better qualified to determine findings from
> their study? They concluded: " Our results indicate that surgical face
> masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza
> viruses from symptomatic individuals. "
> 
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 4:36 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2
>> 
>> Read the whole study at least through the Discussion, don't stop at the
>> abstract.
>> 
>> "Some health authorities recommend that masks be worn by ill individuals to
>> prevent onward transmission (source control)4
>> ,8
>> . Surgical face
>> masks were originally introduced to protect patients from wound infection
>> and contamination from surgeons (the wearer) during surgical procedures,
>> and were later adopted to protect healthcare workers against acquiring
>> infection from their patients. However, most of the existing evidence on
>> the filtering efficacy of face masks and respirators comes from in vitro
>> experiments with nonbiological particles9
>> ,10
>> , which may
>> not
>> be generalizable to infectious respiratory virus droplets. There is little
>> information on the efficacy of face masks in filtering respiratory viruses
>> and reducing viral release from an individual with respiratory infections8
>> , and most
>> research has focused on influenza11
>> ,12
>> .
>> 
>> Here we aimed to explore the importance of respiratory droplet and aerosol
>> routes of transmission with a particular focus on coronaviruses, influenza
>> viruses and rhinoviruses, by quantifying the amount of respiratory virus in
>> exhaled breath of participants with medically attended ARIs and determining
>> the potential efficacy of surgical face masks to prevent respiratory virus
>> transmission."
>> 
>> Key parts from the Discussion:
>> 
>> " Among the samples collected without a face mask, we found that the
>> majority of participants with influenza virus and coronavirus infection did
>> not shed detectable virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols, whereas for
>> rhinovirus we detected virus in aerosols in 19 of 34 (56%) participants
>> (compared to 4 of 10 (40%) for coronavirus and 8 of 23 (35%) for
>> influenza). For those who did shed virus in respiratory droplets and
>> aerosols, viral load in both tended to be low (Fig. 1
>> ). Given the high
>> collection efficiency of the G-II (ref. 19
>> ) and given
>> that each exhaled breath collection was conducted for 30 min, this might
>> imply that prolonged close contact would be required for transmission to
>> occur, even if transmission was primarily via aerosols, as has been
>> described for rhinovirus colds."
>> 
>> " The major limitation of our study was the large proportion of
>> participants with undetectable viral shedding in exhaled breath for each of
>> the viruses studied. We could have increased the sampling duration beyond
>> 30 min to increase the viral shedding being captured, at the cost of
>> acceptability in some participants. An alternative approach would be to
>> invite participants to perform forced coughs during exhaled breath
>> collection12 .
>> However, it was the aim of our present study to focus on recovering
>> respiratory virus in exhaled breath in a real-life situation and we
>> expected that some individuals during an acute respiratory illness would
>> not cough much or at all."
>> 
>> Here in South Carolina, we have about 2000 new cases reported.  Let's say
>> for each person with a positive case, there's another 10 that are infected,
>> so perhaps there are 20,000 people out there in South Carolina with Wuhan
>> Red Death (WRD).  State population is about 5,000,000 which means that
>> about 0.4% of the population MIGHT be walking around with WRD.  So if I go
>> to Costco, and there are about 200 people in the store, maybe one of them
>> is 

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Hey, what a great idea!  Those at high risk that don't want to catch the virus 
can simply wear an N95 mask.  Doesn't matter what everyone else does, you're 
covered!

Jul 15, 2020 8:51:42 PM OK Don via Mercedes :

I
> don't like to wear a mask anymore than anyone else, but I've taken to
> wearing the N95 in stores as so few others are wearing any kind of mask.

Max Dillon
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Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

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Karl, I've read several news articles that indicate that the virus has mutated 
and has weakened; although the number of cases is rising, those who are 
hospitalized are less severe and more likely to survive than before.  Does your 
experience match that?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 15, 2020 9:44:04 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes :

> Not to beat a dead horse, but this is why testing and tracing is so 
> important. If you don't know which citizens are "guilty", and who they have 
> been associating with, it is hard to protect the "innocent" (uninfected) from 
> disruptive containment policies. The only sensible path forward is a 
> containment strategy focused on hard quantitative testing goals (e.g. 
> increase testing until achieving below 5% positive results), sensible 
> measures like masking (Clay's doc is probably wrong about them not working), 
> and tracing as many contacts as possible and isolating them for two weeks 
> (over 15 minutes at close range continuous without masking). Then everybody 
> else can go about their business. Otherwise, expect more chaos.
> 
> On 7/15/2020 5:19 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Hmmm, used to be that a citizen was considered to be innocent until proven
>> guilty
>> -
>> Max (Give Me Liberty or Give Me Wuhan Red Death!)
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 7:49 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You are presumed to be sick until proven otherwise, 14 days later.
>>> "I don't want to go on the cart, I'm not dead yet!"
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 1:51 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 13:39:43 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
> Quarantine laws are still in the books in all states I think.  You can
> be restricted to your home if you have an infectious disease by force.
> Completely Constitutional.
 But here they are forcing visitors to stay home without knowing whether
 they have an infectious disease or not.
 
 Quarantine laws say the sick have to stay home. In this pandemic, the
 healthy are being forced to stay home.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Real info about covid

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Mitch, are you like the fireman or the hobo at the end of Fahrenheit 451?  
Saving all that is true in your private archive, ready to rebuild after the 
coming collapse of society?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 14, 2020 9:02:33 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes :

> On Tue, July 14, 2020 8:35 pm, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> "Doctor Kelly Victory is explaining everything (the truth) about
>> COVID-19"
>> 
>> In other words, "a doctor tells you medical info we don't want you to
>> see". Want a 38mb email attachment?
> 
> Better yet, since she's just standing there talking for 17 minutes with no
> charts/graphs etc, I made it into a 4MB audio file (mp3)
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

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Beware of counterfeit / commie inferior parts on Amazon.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 14, 2020 10:42:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Checked, it’s $58. Searched on amazon for the part number, there are tons of 
> listings. Ordered one for $34. Repair videos look like it takes about 5 
> minutes to replace.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Unlikely.
>> 
>> Check repairclinic.com see if they stock the part.
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> So the sears repair people came out today to work on the dishwasher that 
>>> won’t come on with the drain error code. Home warranty people sent them. 
>>> Guy says pump is out and they don’t make them anymore so it can’t be 
>>> repaired. Guess 4 years is as long as Bosch will last? Now have to wait on 
>>> them to pay to replace it I guess.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Plane broke down

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(put on your AFDB folks) The heat resistance of the virus was designed in by 
the commies.  It will peak around the first of November...

(AFDB = aluminum foil deflector beanie)

Jul 13, 2020 4:36:34 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes :

> I remember the good old days when the covid 19 was going to disappear once
> the weather warmed up. Turns out that was a bit of wishful thinking...
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Re: [MBZ] Plane broke down

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They are trying to bake the virus to death, this is part of new normal for air 
travel.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 13, 2020 2:22:24 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Holy crap it’s really hot on this plane. Imagine sitting in your car with the 
> windows rolled up and no AC.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 1:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 80/400 AC? (80 windows, 400 mph)
>> 
>> Like 4/60 AC?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Once you get to altitude you can open the windows and get some cool breeze, 
>>> duh
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 7/13/20 2:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 Riding a RJ145, little girl pilot appears to be confused along with 
 copilot. We are sitting in Dallas for 45 minutes waiting to close the 
 door. It’s very hot AC does not appear to be working. We push back. Pilot 
 then comes on and says AC is broke and it would be too hot to taxi out. So 
 we pull back to gate to either fix this plane or go to a different place. 
 Wtf?
 
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Re: [MBZ] First flight since red flu death

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If you get sick, sue for the right to drive your own vehicle from now on, 
expenses paid, with sufficient time (24 hours travel time for each 500 miles, 
or fraction there of).

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 13, 2020 11:50:06 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Except for first class anyway. I guess the virus does not spread there if 
> they get a drink.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> Masks are required on the flight. Not many people wearing them in the 
>> airport. Will see how it is at DFW when I arrive. No food or drink service. 
>> Probably just an excuse to further cut services like hotels have done.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Samsung refrigerators

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We bought a Samsung side-by-side maybe 8 or 10 years ago.  Control board died 
almost immediately, was replaced under warranty.  Water dispenser died a couple 
years later.  Would not dispense water if the filter was installed, but would 
dispense with no filter.

Ice maker died shortly after, same issue as yours: Big chunk would form in the 
bottom then nothing would come out and then the plastic cracked.  I pulled it 
out so we have more space in the freezer.

Other than that, the freezer and refrigerator work just fine.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 12, 2020 11:08:52 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Avoid Samsung refrigerators.  They are piles of crap.  We bought a new 
> expensive french door model back in around 2017.  The reason we went with 
> this model was because it had an ice maker in the door and one in the bottom 
> freezer.  At first everything was fine but within a short time the top ice 
> maker turned into a pile of junk.  It constantly freezes up with big chunks 
> of ice and gets jammed.  90% of the time it does not work unless you thaw it 
> out then it will work for a day or 2 maybe.  Bottom ice maker has always 
> worked fine.
> 
> I am sitting here in my chair in the living room which is just right behind 
> the refrigerator on the other side of the wall (open floor plan), heard some 
> sort of different noise coming from the kitchen.  I did not think much about 
> it.  Just a few minutes ago I got into the refrigerator and when you open the 
> doors the temp of the freezer and refrigerator display on the control panel. 
> Freezer was a 36 and refrigerator was at 58.  Was fine when I went to bed 
> last night.  Compressor does not appear to be running. That strange noise I 
> heard earlier now that I think about it was probably the compressor trying to 
> run, or running but dying. Lucky I did just sign up for that home service 
> contract which I already have an appointment Tuesday for the Bosch Dishwasher 
> issue (drain pump).  Guess I will put in a service request for this too.
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Re: [MBZ] Dan's Garage A/C is gonna give him covids

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Costco has something similar to what Dan bought for about $460, saw it 
yesterday.  Says it can cool 500 square feet.  They also have a heat pump 
version for another $100.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 12, 2020 12:30:31 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> https://www.yahoo.com/news/turn-off-air-conditioning-experts-095902933.html
> 
> On 7/9/20 7:37 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Did you ever get the portable ac unit in the garage?
>> How well does it cool/dehumidify?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: [Okietalk] Masks

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Thank obamacare for that, basically tilted the playing field to favor big 
hospitals, big insurance, big pharma.  Massive sellout of our doctors and 
nurses, pretty much eliminated the ability to run a private practice.  Sadly 
one bitter senator managed to "save" obamacare, pissed that he lost the 
presidential primary to an upstart.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 6, 2020 9:35:31 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :

> For some reason we as a society have decided it makes sense to pay the bulk 
> of our health care workers peanuts. We value the CEO way more than the people 
> who actually do any work. I'm not really sure what a hospital CEO does beside 
> figuring out ways to generate funding for his/her own salary...
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, July 6, 2020, 4:46:06 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the answer is, like most things about this disease, we don't
> really know.
> 
> Droplets, spit, snot -- yes a mask will obviously contain that.
> 
> Aerosolized virus particles, probably not. It would be like trying to
> contain mosquitoes with chicken wire. If that turns out to be how the
> virus spreads, a typical "cloth mask" will be basically useless.
> 
> It's my guess that in the end we'll conclude that basic hygiene (washing
> hands, not picking your nose, covering your coughs, staying home if
> you're sick) will be about the best we can do. A large number of people
> are bad at this. I suspect a large number of nursing home workers are
> shockingly bad at this.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I have a question:
>> 
>> What is the particle size that contain the virus as expelled from
>> humans when they talk, breathe, sing, sneeze, or cough? Without
>> knowing that critical fact, we have no idea how effective masks are.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

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Good question.

Max Dillon
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Jul 9, 2020 9:12:44 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes :

>> I noticed a lot less dust collecting on surfaces
> 
> So, where _did_ the dust end up?  On the walls of the ducts?
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Re: [MBZ] Real info about covid

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I say well done, a voice of reason.  Life is full of risks and rewards, we all 
are capable of making good choices when we have good information.  God has 
given us freedom to make those choices, Government needs to respect that and 
stop these fearful mandates that crush liberty to try to reduce risk.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

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Thanks Dan, very timely, I had just made up my mind to get something like this 
for our house.

Max Dillon
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Jul 8, 2020 2:24:45 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :

> I have one of these in my AC system:
> 
> https://www.rgf.com/products/air/reme-halo/ 
> 
> 
> We had one of their earlier devices in our former house:
> 
> https://www.rgf.com/products/air/guardian-air-qr/ 
> 
> 
> These do a fantastic job of reducing airborne dust and particulates. People 
> in the house that have allergies reported a significant reduction in their 
> reactions when we had these installed (without their knowledge so there was 
> no placebo effect, I might add.) I believe the REME-HALO also kills or 
> reduces bacteria and viruses as well.
> 
> We didn’t do this in response to the current situation, I installed this back 
> in January shortly after we moved in. Our experience with the earlier product 
> from the same company convinced me that the REME-HALO would be even better in 
> regards to improving our interior air quality.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 2:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with Grant - the AC systems must be a factor if the virii are
>> airborne. I wonder if the UV air sterilizers would be effective? That would
>> seem to me to be the easiest and perhaps most effective way of dealing with
>> the air systems. Until then, wear your N95 mask in the store ...
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 11:54 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah.. but...
>>> What is the air exchange rate in a commercial air handler... How many
>>> minutes does air sucked in [through filters that likely are NOT N95] stay
>>> inside the air handler before it is cooled or heated and pushed back out
>>> and spread over the entire building?
>>> 
>>> My personal view is that it acts as a 40 hp sneeze ... one Karen sneezes or
>>> farts.. gets sucked up by air system and spreads, in minutes, or seconds,
>>> to the whole building... and I see no one addressing this  vector.. air is
>>> moved, virus is airborne... stays mixed in the air... thus infection
>>> transmits.
>>> 
>>> Where are the experts on this?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 9:38 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I think early on it was thought the viri could live on surfaces for some
 time but that has been found not to be the case so much, looks to be
 mostly direct airborne contact now.  i wouldn't think air handlers would
 be a (relatively) major concern
 
 -_FT
 
 On 7/8/20 12:26 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> One item of concern that has, to date, not been addressed to my
> satisfaction.
> 
> The air handling systems in buildings.. What is being done to clean the
> systems ?  We wear masks in stores... yet hundreds of people come and
>>> go
 in
> a single day, so the opportunity for someone with infection to be
 spreading
> virus exists... yet, I've seen NOTHING that addresses the cleaning of
>>> air
> handlers in stores..
> 
> Example, Legionnaires Disease... source vector. the air handlers...
> 
> Covid 19 has so many unknowns and unaddressed issues... I see multiple
 bad
> management issues.. from local to national...
> 
> Anyone seen anything address the inside air quality vector?
> 
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I only wear N95 into stores. I wear cloth when out and about outside
 where
>> masks have been mandated by local authorities or else.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/07/1004841/a-group-of-239-scientists-say-theres-growing-evidence-covid-19-is-airborne/
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Re: [MBZ] The lack of evidence lockdowns actually worked is a world scandal

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Curt, can you cite any peer reviewed study that indicates how much the risk is 
reduced by the general population wearing masks?  Sure, masks (and gloves and 
gowns) all work in a hospital setting to provide a good risk reduction for the 
imposed cost.  Don't forget the training for those workers.  Got it, that's 
fine, no argument.  I don't live in a hospital, don't work in one, please don't 
cite a study about hospitals.

Let's follow the science.  Where's the study?  "Experts say" doesn't cut it 
anymore, the so-called experts contradict themselves, especially on this 
question of masks.

Jul 7, 2020 2:03:18 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :

> Yeahbut the problem is that my wearing a mask protects YOU. Your not wearing 
> a mask increases MY risk...
> So I'm polite enough to protect you from the germs I might be carrying but 
> you can't be bothered to do the same. Thats brotherhood for you.
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 1:44:59 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

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Re: [MBZ] The lack of evidence lockdowns actually worked is a world scandal

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By that logic, we need to either (a) close down our borders and pretend like we 
are an island or (b) institute a strong authoritarian central government and 
eliminate all liberty (china) or (c) look at one outlier, Germany, and pretend 
like all those other countries and US states that didn't lock down, pretend 
they don't exist.  They don't count because Germany.

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Jul 7, 2020 11:26:12 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes :

> Except for New Zealand and Iceland, which were largely spared.  Also
> Germany.  The problem is that people act like idiots once restrictions are
> loosened.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 6:25 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/
>> 
>> There is still not a shred of real proof that the planet's reckless
>> stay-at-home experiment made any difference
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The lack of evidence lockdowns actually worked is a world scandal

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Pick your news source pick your bias.  There truth is out there, have to be 
willing to work for it.

Risk is part of life, as is death.

Death rate from Wuhan Red Death is still declining, no spike there.

"Give me liberty, or give me COVID-19!". Now where is that dose of 
hydroxochloroquine?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 7, 2020 12:51:54 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes :

> We lived in fear of leaving the house here in NJ and look at our numbers
> and the rest of the New York Cory area... lock down has been very
> successful.  Saying otherwise is ignoring scientifically proven facts for
> political agenda.  If we have a chance of fighting this, we all need to
> change our behaviors and learn to respect the science behind the
> recommendations.
> 
> If you don’t wear a mask, you shouldn’t be out in public around other
> people, period.  And the federal government needs to step up and make this
> statement.
> 
> I honestly can’t believe this is even a point to argue and discuss... you
> guys are very clouded by what you read and hear with strong political
> bias.  Forget all the noise and just get back to the basic fact that this
> is a respiratory disease people die from.  And wearing a mask and avoid
> others reduces its spread.  It’s very simple.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 12:10 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> 
>> We can’t live in fear and afraid to leave the house. What is becoming
>> apparent is this virus is not nearly as deadly or as big of a deal as they
>> made it out to be. There are lots more people testing positive because we
>> are doing a lot more test. The death rate is going down because many people
>> have had it and never knew it, and it did not kill them.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 10:45 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> New Zealand, Australia, China (especially China), Italy, Germany,
>> Greece, Spain all had good luck with initial lockdowns.  Big economic hit,
>> but far less severe than a health system collapse and a real rather than
>> induced economic downturn.
>>> 
>>> The problem is that far too many people think getting the case load down
>> to manageable means they don't need to keep practicing all the things that
>> got it down in the first place.
>>> 
>>> I have a couple friends who have made more than one trip to vacation
>> spots recently, for instance.  Plumb nuts, there is absolutely NO reason to
>> assume vacation spots are safe, at all, ever, especially when going there
>> involves consumption of large quantites of alcohol in public.
>> Unfortunately, for those friends the alcohol part is the main reason for
>> going.
>>> 
>>> The message should be "act like it's 1900 -- no antibiotics, no
>> treatments, no drugs, no vaccine" -- the way out of this is to treat it
>> like any disease outbreak prior to the advent of antibiotics in the
>> 1940's.  Quarantines, social distancing, face masks (which worked pretty
>> well in 1918 too) and stay at home!
>>> 
>>> We will get there, just gonna take a million extra dead people before
>> the unwashed masses figure it out.
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Re: [MBZ] Masks

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Don, I just have a simple question.  Do surgeons who are sick still continue to 
perform operations, do they just put in the mask and say to themselves "This 
mask will protect the patient from virii I spew from my nose and mouth"?  Is 
that what they do?

I'll bet you a dollar they don't, because they know the truth.

One more simple question.  Do the doctors and nurses who test positive for 
Wuhan Red Death just put on a mask and go back to work?

God did not give us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of love.  Have faith, look 
for truth, use that brain that God gave you.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

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> One more time. Those masks are to protect ME from whatever you are spewing,
> NOT to protect YOU from incoming particles.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bleeding 240D clutch

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Bravo!

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Jul 5, 2020 6:15:23 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> I got home with the 8ft section of hose and I just decided to leave it as is 
> rather than cutting it shorter.  I filled the tube with fluid from the HF oil 
> can squirter then attached it to the bleeder and began pumping.  I ended up 
> developing some air pockets in the house so I removed it from the bleeder 
> again and got them out.  I determined the issue the whole time might have 
> been I did not have the bleeder loose enough.  I loosened it some more and 
> continued pumping.  After a while I noticed a small amount of movement in the 
> brake reservoir.  Then the level started to slowly rise.  I closed the 
> bleeder screw then went under the dash to pull the linkage rod out to install 
> the one originally on the car.  The one that came with the MC was much 
> shorter than the MB one that came off the car so I stuck the one that came 
> with the MC back in.  I had a hell of a time compressing it to get it back to 
> the bolt hole.  Finally got it, screwed it back down and now the clutch 
> works!  I am not sure if it was a matter of leaving the rod disconnected from 
> the clutch pedal, opening the bleed screw more, or using the oil can instead 
> of the hose connected to brake caliper.  At the end of the day I think I 
> prefer the oil can method because using the caliper has the potential to pump 
> dirty brake fluid up into the brand new clutch hydraulics (although in this 
> case the fluid looks clean like it was recently flushed.
> 
> On 7/5/2020 3:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I just bought 8 ft of clear tubing. Will run it out from under the car to 
>> where I can watch the reservoir then cut the length I need. I will then pump 
>> the line full of fluid before hooking it up to the bleeder on slave 
>> cylinder. Then start pumping.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I didn't say it would always work. ;)
>>> -Curt
>>> 
 On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 2:37:17 AM EDT, fmiser  wrote:
 
 Curt wrote:
 Have you checked to see if the line from the master to the slave
 is clear? Maybe that was the problem all along. My suggestion is
 to use the rod from the car, not the replacement master.
>>> Can't always do that.  I've seen at least three different
>>> rod-to-cylinder interfaces.  Not all were interchangeable.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More

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Huh.  Vent: does it need one or two?  In other words, does it heat up and 
discharge interior air or exterior air?  The kind I worked with needed exterior 
air.

Regular electrical socket, or does it need a 30 amp or 220 socket?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 4, 2020 5:25:05 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :

> So my HVAC engineer neighbor was over the other night and I was asking him 
> about his opinion on a mini-split in the garage…
> 
> His take? Buy a portable 12,000 BTU unit and use that, forget about a 
> mini-split.
> 
> I bought one at Lowe’s today. I’m going to try it out in the morning 
> tomorrow. It should be a pretty wicked test, as we’ve been having 95+ degree 
> days of late with heat indexes approaching 100. This can also act as a backup 
> for the house in the event that the house AC pukes for whatever reason - we 
> can use it to cool a couple of rooms in an emergency.
> 
> I’ve got to do distributor caps, rotors and insulators on the 420E, so I’ll 
> pull it in early, shut the door and fire this thing up and see how it does. 
> Not sure how I’m going to vent it at present, but that’s something I can work 
> out.
> 
> He also suggested that I insulate the garage doors, too.
> 
> More as I know it.
> 
> I also bought my hybrid electric water heater. I was planning on doing this 
> in August, since I just dropped $6k last week on a new AC system for the 
> house, which is working quite well, I would add. While I was wandering the 
> aisles of Lowe’s I went by the water heaters to see if they still had any of 
> the one I wanted. They did, and it was marked down $300 from the regular 
> $1299. Bought the last one they had and let them carry the paper for 18 
> months, too.
> 
> So maybe next weekend I’ll have the resident plumber install the new water 
> heater. I already had him survey the existing setup to determine what he’ll 
> need to do the job, so that’s done. Another significant decrease in energy 
> consumption, *and* some cooling for the garage as well.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] w123 2.88 diff anyone?

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That's it, thanks Fred!

No 126, but it does have 123, 129 and 140.

Max Dillon
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> Differentials.pdf
> 
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 3:33 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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>> Dave M. has a spread sheet of differentials on his website, I know it
>> covers 124 and 126 cars, don't know that it covers 123 cars.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] w123 2.88 diff anyone?

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Congrats Mike, sounds like great work!  Bravo!

Max Dillon
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Jul 4, 2020 4:38:21 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes :

> I just put the drivetrain (engine, transmission and rear end) from a 84 300D 
> into my 83 240D. The rear end I used was a 3.07.  It is working out very 
> well. Plenty of pull in the lower gears and high end cruise at 70 to 80 is 
> pretty comfortable. Huge difference from the 3.69 rear end I had in the 240.  
> Improved my 0-60 mph from 23 seconds to 14.
> 
> Also, had the AC converted to cross flow condenser and Sanderson compressor.  
> It is working great and stays nice cool even when idling at the stoplights.  
> Temps in western Michigan have been in the low to mid 90’s this week. Thanks 
> again to Dan for connection to Klima Kits.
> 
> My hope is I will enjoy this car for many years.
> 
> Mike
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, July 4, 2020 3:42 pm, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Differentials.pdf
>> 
>> Hmm, would a 3.46 from a non turbo 300D be an upgrade for a 240D in a
>> world with 70+ speed limits?
>> 
>> Looks like a 1987 300D diff would do what Karl wants, maybe with a rear
>> cover change if he puts it in a W115/W123.
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Re: [MBZ] w123 2.88 diff anyone?

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Dave M. has a spread sheet of differentials on his website, I know it covers 
124 and 126 cars, don't know that it covers 123 cars.

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Re: [MBZ] Get'r Done! License plate version

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Exactly, bend up the old plate at the ends, screw the new on top of the old.  
Use shallow screws so they don't hit the body.  Plates are soft aluminum, 
rusted screws that won't come out are steel, much easier to make new holes in 
the plates.

Crude but effective, faster, and if needed I can remove the new plate and 
transfer to another car.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 4, 2020 1:29:52 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes :

> On Sat, July 4, 2020 12:59 pm, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> If you are going to "punch some new holes" with a drill, just drill out
>> the old screws and be done with it ...
> 
> I think he was talking about punching holes in the old plate and screwing
> the new to the old. But I don't know how to do that without bending up the
> old plate so the new won't lay flat.
> 
> I'd just get a tube of silicone caulk and glue the new plate onto the old
> one.
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[MBZ] Get'r Done! License plate version

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The fasteners holding the plate won't come loose, and I've got to put a new 
plate on.  Soaked them for a few days with Kroil, but these fasteners seem to 
be corroded in place.  They were hardware store bought, and that particular 
store did not have the screws in stainless steel.

I think I'm going to just punch some new holes in the plates and screw down the 
new plate over the old.

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Re: [MBZ] Bleeding 240D clutch

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Yes, I think that is the problem.  The rod is too long.  Curt has been down 
this path.

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Jul 4, 2020 10:25:53 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> I had to push the rod in about an 8th of an inch or less to get it to line up 
> with the pedal mounting point. Would that make a difference?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2020, at 6:44 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, July 4, 2020 1:34 am, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> With the clutch pedal up
>> 
>> ^^^ Key words there.
>> If the pedal isn't up, you aren't pumping the air out through the master
>> cylinder.
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Re: [MBZ] Bleeding 240D clutch

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's right!  And make sure your rental listing doesn't say anything about a 
M*r bedroom!

Kidding aside, I think you have touched on the problem: rod for the master 
cylinder is too long.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 4, 2020 8:16:36 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes :

> Please refrain from using these racist designations
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Jul 3, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I got the slave cylinder and master cylinder
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Re: [MBZ] jasper transmissions

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DIY: I read through a blog of a fellow who rebuilt one (Mercedes), not 
difficult but time consuming.

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Jul 3, 2020 9:46:31 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

> Honda Element transmission went out and left me on the side of the road
> tonight.
> 
> I had thought it was a shift solenoid issue, replaced it about a month
> ago and it seemed better. But in the heat today it just would not engage
> gears. Was OK when cold but as it warmed up it got worse and worse and
> finally would not engage at all. Fluid level OK.
> 
> I kind of want to keep the car since it's otherwise pretty solid and I
> will have a son in college who could take it this winter. Figure a
> transmisison job will be less than buying anything else reliable for the
> same money.
> 
> Anyone familiar with Jasper transmissions? A glance at their website
> seems to indicate they only sell through installers. Are they generally
> good?
> 
> DIY rebuild feasible? Never done that.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] And so it begins with the renters

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I think I agree with Curt on this one, as long as they are paying rent on time. 
 A little grace isn't going to bankrupt you, is it?  Don't show the place until 
they are gone.  Maybe you really don't want to be a landlord?  Sell the place 
as fast as you can.

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Jul 3, 2020 8:24:48 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :

> When are they due out by? I'd think you ought to just leave it lie and let 
> them get out. Nobody really wants to see a rental full of somebody else's 
> crap, especially if they're low quality folks during a pandemic...
> Fighting with them now is just going to make things worse for you, they'll 
> probably trash the place, sure you could maybe get paid for that but is it 
> worth it?
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, July 3, 2020, 8:05:14 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What if it comes back positive?  There is nothing in the contract or on
> the OK landlord tenant act that allows renters to refuse entry with a 24
> hour notice.  We basically told them that we are sorry of their
> situation but it is their responsibility to make the home available for
> showings on Monday.  If that means relocating for the day, or waiting
> outside.  We told them they would all be required to wear masks during
> showings, any of the potential tenants would be wearing masks (this is
> assuming anyone wants to look at house given the potential situation).
> They said they could not relocate or go outside and that the public
> areas of the house would be available but the kids would be in their
> bedrooms.  So are we supposed to not show whatever bedrooms they are
> in?  I guess it will be this or they refuse, then the only thing we can
> do is file an injunction and/or terminate their lease, which would then
> require them to move out and if they do not , would have to go thru the
> normal eviction process which will take 30 days or longer.  This is
> simply unbelievable.  What gets me is the dude supposedly lost his job a
> month ago but did not mention it when I was just over there replacing
> the water heater (THE NEXT DAY) after he called about it.  I guess I
> should have waited the allowed 14 days.
> 
> §41-128. Consent of tenant for landlord to enter dwelling unit -
> Emergency entry - Abuse of right of entry - Notice - Abandoned premises
> - Refusal of consent
> 
> A. A tenant shall not unreasonably withhold consent to the landlord, his
> agents and employees, to enter into the dwelling unit in order to
> inspect the premises, make necessary or agreed repairs, decorations,
> alterations or improvements, supply necessary or agreed services or
> exhibit the dwelling unit to prospective or actual purchasers,
> mortgagees, tenants, workmen or contractors.
> 
> B. A landlord, his agents and employees may enter the dwelling unit
> without consent of the tenant in case of emergency.
> 
> C. A landlord shall not abuse the right of access or use it to harass
> the tenant. Except in case of emergency or unless it is impracticable to
> do so, the landlord shall give the tenant at least one (1) day's notice
> of his intent to enter and may enter only at reasonable times.
> 
> D. Unless the tenant has abandoned or surrendered the premises, a
> landlord has no other right of access during a tenancy except as is
> provided in this act or pursuant to a court order.
> 
> E. If the tenant refuses to allow lawful access, the landlord may obtain
> injunctive relief to compel access or he may terminate the rental agreement.
> 
> Added by Laws 1978, c. 257, § 28, eff. Oct. 1, 1978.
> 
> On 7/3/2020 6:45 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>> A Covid test result only takes a few days so if it’s negative 14 days 
>> quarantine is bs.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Got 8 showings scheduled back to back on Monday. Renter was informed of 
>>> this. Today he sends us a message that his kid is sick and got tested for 
>>> covid. Waiting on the results to come back but they have to quarantine for 
>>> 14 days. To me this sounds like games to try and derail renting the house 
>>> and setting them up to squat based on covid. Per the contract they have to 
>>> make house available with at least a 24 hour notice for showings. To me it 
>>> would seem like they need to either stay in a hotel now until after the 
>>> showings, or go to their mothers house where they are supposedly moving in 
>>> order to keep a potentially sick person away from people viewing the house. 
>>> This is unbelievable.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] AB Light

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Reduced power, increased smoke, poor mileage, increased soot in the engine oil.

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Jul 2, 2020 10:32:21 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes :

> What 617 symptoms tell you that you need this?
> 
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-DIESEL-STATIC-INJECTION-TIMING-LIGHT/283934053613?hash=item421bc9d4ed:g:e1QAAOSwDM5e~QLe
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Re: [MBZ] refrigerant leak detector/sniffer

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Yes, soapy water would also work.  I need to test the valves on this car, make 
sure that is not an issue that was maker masked while I had the gauge set 
attached.

Jul 1, 2020 1:32:38 PM Craig via Mercedes :
>
> Could one use the old "saliva on the tire valve stem" trick and see any
> results?
>
> Craig
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of mini splits

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I've only had a couple experiences with those, and by the time you deal with 
getting proper power to them (220 v 30 amp in my case) and then getting the 
exhaust ducted and the water drain installed, you're most of the way to 
installing an AC system.

Might be nice to wheel it around to blow cold air in your work location, might 
save some electricity, but I think you'd be happier to just install a heat pump 
and be done with it.

Install a mini-split, assemble your lift so it blows right in that area, get to 
work.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 30, 2020 1:29:10 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Out in my huge shop I have thought about installing a 5 ton unit at some 
> point that will be able to keep the shop semi cool for the few hours a week I 
> am out there. I will probably never get around to that so thought about one 
> of those portable AC units that has a hose out the back for exhaust. Would 
> one of those work for local cooling in the shop to blow on me and the area I 
> am working? Would not expect it to cool the whole shop of course was just 
> thinking more along the lines of a shop fan with cold air.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Fantastic Patina just add engine and some wheels

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Yes, you need that.

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Jun 30, 2020 2:34:32 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> I have a 350+tranny sitting in the garage this could be fun
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1306566242875556/
> 
> 1963 Old School Rat Rod Wrecker Chevrolet Sale or Trade
> $800
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> 
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> you have an amazing unique piece. Was used to haul cars around. I don't know 
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Re: [MBZ] refrigerant leak detector/sniffer

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Correct, very hard to see it unless you take the dash apart.

Max Dillon
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Jun 30, 2020 4:33:19 PM Craig via Mercedes :

> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 20:20:59 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Using dye works on everything but the evaporator leaks.
> 
> Is that because you cannot see the entirety of the evaporator or for some
> other reason?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] refrigerant leak detector/sniffer

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You paid too much.

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Jun 30, 2020 1:33:47 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> This is what I have
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/INFICON-TEK-Mate-705-202-G1-Refrigerant-Detector/dp/B000H6OZJ4/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?dchild=1=dtek+leak+detector=1593538391=d+tek+=8-4
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KITSMI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
>> 
>> I imagine these are all about the same. Here's the one I got. It's adequate.
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FYO8UL8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
>> 
>> These work too.
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NBWCFC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
>> 
>> Someone mentioned this a while back.
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000LQODJC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
>> 
>> While these are all Amazon links, similar products may be available at 
>> lesser expense from other online retailers.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] refrigerant leak detector/sniffer

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The acqua blue leak detector looks like what I have.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 30, 2020 1:24:23 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes :

> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KITSMI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
> 
> I imagine these are all about the same. Here's the one I got. It's adequate.
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FYO8UL8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
> 
> These work too.
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NBWCFC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
> 
> Someone mentioned this a while back.
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000LQODJC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
> 
> While these are all Amazon links, similar products may be available at lesser 
> expense from other online retailers.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] refrigerant leak detector/sniffer

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I have a clone of that, paid about $30 on eBay or Amazon.  Works ok.  Used it 
last night to find that the compressor front seal is leaking on my '95 E300.

They are probably not as accurate for small leaks like a professional tool, but 
useful enough for the occasional leak.  I've confirmed one bad evaporator and a 
couple bad compressor seals.  Using dye works on everything but the evaporator 
leaks.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 30, 2020 1:07:45 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

> Anyone have one of these? Is it worth it for occasional DIY use or is
> there something else that's a better value?
> 
> https://www.harborfreight.com/electronic-freon-and-halogen-leak-detector-92514.html
> 
> Also any recommendation on a valve core replacement tool? Looking for
> the tool that replaces the valve core without losing refrigerant charge.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts

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Well that's too boring, nothing broke and nothing was set on fire?  You need to 
learn how to lighten up and have some fun!

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 29, 2020 7:16:09 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> I got the lugs off. After soaking in pb blaster the impact still wouldn’t 
> break the first wheel loose. Ended up getting a breaker bar, putting a long 
> cheater pipe on that and bouncing up and down on the end of it, they finally 
> broke loose. It ended up bending the shaft a little so the head was bit 
> perfectly straight. The other wheel came loose just fine.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I did soak them in PB blaster.  I am not sure if it actually gets down in 
>> there though.  Will try it again tomorrow.  I probably need a new impact 
>> anyway.
>> 
>>> On 6/28/2020 4:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Kroil first. Lots cheaper than a new impact.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I was needing to pull the rear wheels off a wagon to replace the tires and 
 whoever last installed them WAY overt ightened them. Standing on the MB 
 lug wrench would not budget it.  Put a long cheater pipe on it and got one 
 loose.  Moved on to the next one and it actually started twisting the 
 wrench.  Broke out the air impact gun, would not budget it.  I guess I may 
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Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts

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Blue wrench. Heat up the head of the bolt, it will come off like butter.

Max Dillon
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Jun 28, 2020 5:53:17 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> I was needing to pull the rear wheels off a wagon to replace the tires and 
> whoever last installed them WAY overt ightened them. Standing on the MB lug 
> wrench would not budget it.  Put a long cheater pipe on it and got one loose. 
>  Moved on to the next one and it actually started twisting the wrench.  Broke 
> out the air impact gun, would not budget it.  I guess I may need to go buy a 
> bigger impact gun.  Any ideas?
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Re: [MBZ] W123 wagon rear wheel bearing replacement?

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One way to solve that with less financial pain and less repair time: get a good 
used rear trailing arm and install that insitu.  I think the sedan and the 
wagon used the same bearing, need to confirm that.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 22, 2020 3:22:04 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes :

> Herbert my German mechanic said the whole thing has to come apart. Guess I
> should find the fsm entry on that job. Need to put it up on a lift to
> listen and be sure it isnt a differential issue. Either one seems rare. It
> has new half shafts. Oh well.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 6:13 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
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> 
>> No, but I suspect that is a bear of a job without the factory tools.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> Jun 21, 2020 7:44:27 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes >> :
>> 
>>> Anybody ever replace a rear wheel bearing on a w123? I seem to have a
>>> bearing type noise back there somewhere. Maybe left wheel.
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Re: [MBZ] This 99 $600E320 is possessed

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ECT?  Electrical Connection Test? Electron Cycle Test?
Eat Clams Tuesday?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 22, 2020 1:05:01 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> OK I got the window demon exorcised by disconnecting the battery for awhile 
> then reconnecting it, the window decided it could go up again.  I don't 
> understand this behavior but it seems that periodic ECT does the job
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 6/18/20 1:49 PM, Floyd Thursby wrote:
>> OK Mitch's solution worked on the seat.  Now I have to figure out why the 
>> window refuses to go up but went down fine.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 6/8/20 1:01 PM, Floyd Thursby wrote:
>>> cool, I'll try it.  then have the seat stuck full forward!
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 6/8/20 12:49 PM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes wrote:
 Driver's seat wouldn't go back on my 1999 S210 when I bought it.
 Drove it 900 miles home with my knees beside the steering wheel.
 Then found out it needed to be reset. Run it forward all the way, keep
 holding it forward for 30 seconds or a minute after it stops moving.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 wagon rear wheel bearing replacement?

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No, but I suspect that is a bear of a job without the factory tools.

Max Dillon
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Jun 21, 2020 7:44:27 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes :

> Anybody ever replace a rear wheel bearing on a w123? I seem to have a
> bearing type noise back there somewhere. Maybe left wheel.
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Re: [MBZ] 1993 W124 300D w/Intercooler?

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Cutting away the front bumper like that looks pretty nasty.

Max Dillon
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Jun 21, 2020 5:00:14 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :

> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-1993-mercedes-benz-300d/7143661264.html
>  
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> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Max needs this

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Yes Dan, no matter how firmly I shut the lid, the trunk would not stay latched. 
 Raised it up a bit, latches perfectly.

My initial thought was that the grease was expired and needed to be refreshed, 
that was an issue with the driver's door, but the grease was fine.  I lubed it 
anyway while it was apart, good for another 300k miles now.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 21, 2020 4:49:44 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :

> I seem to recall having to dink with the trunk latch on that car myself. Was 
> it out of adjustment?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Driveway is full.  Need to sell one, scrap one, fix one, then I'll have room 
>> to play again.
>> 
>> Fixed a trunk latch on the 95 E300 couple nights ago.  Well, adjusted would 
>> be a better description, but I didn't discover the adjustment possibility 
>> until I had taken it apart.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> Jun 21, 2020 2:23:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-pleasant-mercedes-benz-300sel/7145767284.html
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Max needs this

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Driveway is full.  Need to sell one, scrap one, fix one, then I'll have room to 
play again.

Fixed a trunk latch on the 95 E300 couple nights ago.  Well, adjusted would be 
a better description, but I didn't discover the adjustment possibility until I 
had taken it apart.

Max Dillon
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> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-pleasant-mercedes-benz-300sel/7145767284.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Gory Mooseday

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Ugh, the interior of the car must have been coated with blood.

Max Dillon
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Jun 19, 2020 11:07:28 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes :

> Free Mooseburger?
> https://youtu.be/3q-8yar19wo
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

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About ten years ago I bought the cheapest dishwasher they had at lowers.  About 
$200?  KitchenAid, all plastic.  Dirt simple.  Works great as long as you don't 
over load it.  No issues once I worked through a bad pump and a dead control 
board.  It was a factory repaired model that I bought for $100 with no 
warranty, after buying the parts to fix it I was back at the original cost, 
should have just bought the new one.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 18, 2020 2:19:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

> My KitchenAid has been flawless for close to 10 years. Knock on wood.
> 
> I do have to clean out the drain screen/pump inlet periodically.
> 
> Maybe that's the problem with Kaleb's Bosch? Food debris or maybe
> somethig like a bit of plastic wrap clogging the pump inlet. On my
> KitchenAid the symptom is that the top rack dishes don't get clean.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to
>> our KitchenAid.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
>>> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] It has flash, but the engine is good

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"Carr" with one terrible picture of an ML, early 163 I think.

I'm heading down this weekend, I cannot pass up this carr with flash!

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 18, 2020 10:52:45 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/271298067557633/
> 
> Title
> $1,000
> Vehicles 
> Listed 2 days ago in Brunswick, GA 
> 
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> Offer It has flash, but the engine is good
> 
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Re: [MBZ] CAUTION: EYE BLEACH REQUIRED -- fist come fist serve

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"...title in hand fist come fist serve inside"

Somehow I resisted and did not click the link...

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 18, 2020 10:48:14 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3152835594738694/
> 
> 2001 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S 500 Sedan 4D
> $3,000
> 
> About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 186,900 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Silver
> Fuel type: Gasoline
> 14.0 MPG city · 21.0 MPG highway · 16.0 MPG combined
> Very good condition 
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> Car runs and drive just needs a tune up I can do it or as is I took off the 
> red paint on out side and car needs a new sun roof great family car . 3000 
> obo title in hand fist come fist serve inside is silver and red like outside 
> 8 out of 10 on interior
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 Mercedes-Benz 240d 4spd, $3,000

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Not a fan of the painted headlight surrounds.  Love the picture with the 
speedometer pegged at 84 mph.  Paint is bad, but if rust free...

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 18, 2020 10:30:49 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> Somewhat crackish
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301369967561954
> 
> 1982 Mercedes-Benz 240d
> $3,000
> Vehicles 
> Listed 4 days ago in Savannah, GA 
> 
> 
> About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 160,000 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: White · Interior color: Tan
> Fuel type: Diesel
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> W123 Mercedes 240 D - Manual Runs and drives great. 4 speed. Road ready 
> Newish shocks and springs, rear tires, battery Pm for more info or photos 
> 3,000
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hmmmm

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Ad is still up, what are you waiting for!

Max Dillon
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Jun 17, 2020 10:26:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Mercedes 6.9
> 
> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/tulsa-mercedes-69/7143587940.html
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1980 300td turbo diesel Mercedes wagon

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Caleb would be all over that deal.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 17, 2020 10:22:08 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes :

> Leave them alone and maybe they would make a new, smaller wagon.
> 
> Bob R
> 
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>> 1980 300td turbo diesel Mercedes wagon
>> 
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/7140356218.html
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[MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death mortality rate study

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https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/#latest

1. According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall 
lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 
0.1%[https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/] and thus in the range of 
a strong seasonal 
influenza[https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19] (flu).

2. Even in global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general population of 
school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car ride to 
work[https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054361v1]. The risk 
was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms 
were not taken into account.

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Want to roll coal with your local TacoBell Yeeter's?

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That sounds like driving in Naples Italy.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 9, 2020 9:11:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

> In Chicago they are on the horns when the cross-traffic light turns
> yellow. If you're not already rolling when the light turns green you're
> too slow.
> 
> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> So you waited about 20 NY minutes before you hit the horn!
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan 
>> Penoff via Mercedes
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 3:41 PM
>> To: Okie Benz
>> Cc: Dan Penoff
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Want to roll coal with your local TacoBell Yeeter's?
>> 
>> Speaking of which, I had some asshat roll coal on me the other day. I was 
>> behind them at a stop light which turned green. They were too busy messing 
>> with their phone, and after a 5 Mississippi I tapped my horn. They responded 
>> by dumping a load of unburned fuel on me.
>> 
>> Definitely the adult response. Idiot.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep, gag response.
>>> 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> Jun 9, 2020 11:12:51 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :
>>> 
>>>> Has a decent Smokey idle but clears under load so you aint blowing devil 
>>>> dust the whole time to the Taco Bell meet.
>>>> The car is a HUGE headturner when they turn their head to puke.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/181698649900637/
>>>> 
>>>> 1982 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D
>>>> $3,000
>>>> Vehicles <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/106181149412603/vehicles/>
>>>> Listed 4 days ago in Calhoun, GA 
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/111874525495468/>
>>>> 
>>>> About This Vehicle…
>>>> 
>>>> Driven 285,000 miles
>>>> Automatic transmission
>>>> Exterior color: Grey
>>>> 
>>>> Seller's description…
>>>> 
>>>> 1982 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D · Sedan · Driven 285,000 miles Want 
>>>> to roll coal with your local TacoBell Yeeter's? Want that insane 80's 
>>>> diesel fuel mileage? Well this ole girl with gladly get you accepted into 
>>>> Yeeter's R U... 1982 Mercedes-Benz 300D sedan CLEAN TITLE 285k miles and 
>>>> will rise due to it being my daily 3.0L turbo diesel with automatic trans. 
>>>> Power windows Power sunroof Factory CD player still works Interior is very 
>>>> clean just lacks the wood trim. Someone else made the wrapped stuff. All 
>>>> stock with a hoodexit Only thing done is the fuel is slightly turned up. 
>>>> Has a decent Smokey idle but clears under load so you aint blowing devil 
>>>> dust the whole time to the Taco Bell meet. Only flaws really are the 
>>>> factory air locks don't work and the AC needs a compressor someone 
>>>> overcharged it. and fun to drive. No its not real fast. Looking to trade 
>>>> for a nice swapped honda, bike, anything else cool.
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Want to roll coal with your local TacoBell Yeeter's?

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Yep, gag response.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 9, 2020 11:12:51 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> Has a decent Smokey idle but clears under load so you aint blowing devil dust 
> the whole time to the Taco Bell meet.
> The car is a HUGE headturner when they turn their head to puke.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/181698649900637/
> 
> 1982 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D
> $3,000
> Vehicles 
> Listed 4 days ago in Calhoun, GA 
> 
> 
> About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 285,000 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: Grey
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> 1982 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D · Sedan · Driven 285,000 miles Want to 
> roll coal with your local TacoBell Yeeter's? Want that insane 80's diesel 
> fuel mileage? Well this ole girl with gladly get you accepted into Yeeter's R 
> U... 1982 Mercedes-Benz 300D sedan CLEAN TITLE 285k miles and will rise due 
> to it being my daily 3.0L turbo diesel with automatic trans. Power windows 
> Power sunroof Factory CD player still works Interior is very clean just lacks 
> the wood trim. Someone else made the wrapped stuff. All stock with a hoodexit 
> Only thing done is the fuel is slightly turned up. Has a decent Smokey idle 
> but clears under load so you aint blowing devil dust the whole time to the 
> Taco Bell meet. Only flaws really are the factory air locks don't work and 
> the AC needs a compressor someone overcharged it. and fun to drive. No its 
> not real fast. Looking to trade for a nice swapped honda, bike, anything else 
> cool.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] AMG all instruments in german

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Most of the way to a "Red Pig" tribute?  Might be entertaining, maybe take that 
in a Mad Max direction, use for riot response, put a fighting position on the 
roof.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 9, 2020 11:09:21 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> Will throw in bottle of eye bleach if you meet the price
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/671731827009577/
> 
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> $3,000
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> 
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> Exterior color: Grey · Interior color: Red
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> Good condition 
> 
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> AMG all instruments in german new tires mag wheels.recent tune up very fast 
> car.if interested pls call [hidden information] darryl
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1971 Mercedes 300 SEL 6.3 VERY RARE taking offer ?

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If Jay Leno can afford to own one, you probably can't.

"Ran when parked" from the looks of the state of the engine compartment.

Max Dillon
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> Oh boy. Should I get my checkbook out?
> 
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>> 1971 Mercedes 300 SEL 6.3 VERY RARE taking offer ?
>> 
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/7137685091.html
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Re: [MBZ] I think I managed to blow the head gasket on my e300

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No, flow is out from the top hose (from the head) into the top of the radiator, 
then out from bottom of radiator into the thermostat and then water pump.

Jun 7, 2020 4:43:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> No, I did not turn on the heat before I started filling. The thermostat was 
> replaced a few months ago. Upper hose gets hot, have not checked lower hose. 
> I assume it flowed from the bottom up in the radiator?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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Re: [MBZ] I think I managed to blow the head gasket on my e300

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

If the hose got soft, the head and gasket sound fine to me.  You have other 
problems.

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Re: [MBZ] I think I managed to blow the head gasket on my e300

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Also, check the engine oil to see if milky.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 7, 2020 12:49:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> It sure doesn’t look good. This morning I checked reservoir and it was at the 
> mark, pulled upper hose and had water there. Started it up and let it idle 
> with some revs up and down without the cap on. Reached 80 after a while and 
> never had any bubbles in the tank. Looked good. Put cap back on, revved it up 
> and down some more and seemed fine. Temp holding fine. Took it out for a 
> drive. On the road it seemed to be doing fine. When I got out to the highway 
> a mile down the road I did a couple of full throttle accelerations. Suddenly 
> temp started shooting is getting close to the red. I turned AC off an turned 
> heat on high and temp dropped back down. After it did I turned ac back on and 
> drove normal. Didn’t take long before temp started creeping back up. Crap. 
> Got it home and popped the hood. Upper hose is rock hard. Damn it. This is 
> unbelievable.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 3:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No, never really had any issues before.
>> 
>>> On 6/6/2020 3:20 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Did you raise the front of the car before starting the filling process? It
>>> always seemed to help me 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 2:34 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Nope
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Water pump or belt turning it the wrong way?
> YMMV
> Fred.
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> After I sent this I went back to the car and there was no pressure on
 the
>> hose at all after sitting about 10 minutes. I slowly loosened cap and
 fluid
>> started coming out again. I quickly tightened it. I then loosed then
 upper
>> hose again and slowing let the pressure off. No water came out and felt
>> like there was no water at all in the upper hose. After all the pressure
>> was off removed the hose and there was no water in it. Started loosening
>> the reservoir cap and water started flowing out of the upper hose.
>> Tightened it and the flow stopped. I filled a little more water in thru
 the
>> hose, probably less than a cup and it was full, put hose back on
 radiator.
>> Pulled cap level was fine in the radiator. Started it back up and let it
>> run for a couple of minutes. Hose was not hard but also did not feel
 like
>> there was any water in it again while running. Normally they feel
 squishy
>> with water in the hose but it just felt empty. I shut it down and will
 mess
>> with it some more in the morning. I wonder if suddenly the thermostat
 stuck
>> closed or something, or what the deal might be.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin 
 wrote:
>>> I swapped out the radiator the other day and today filled it with
>> coolant/distilled water. I fill from the reservoir until full then I
 pull
>> the upper hose off the radiator then fill it into the hose until fill
 then
>> reattached. I then started it up and ran it for probably 10-15 minutes.
>> Temp rose steady till it hit the normal operating temp on the gauge. I
 then
>> took it out for a test. As soon as I pulled onto the street temp started
>> climbing. I immediately pulled back into the shop. Nearest I can figure
 is
>> I thought I got it full from the top hose but must not have. I could not
>> feel any water in the hose when squeezing it. I then loosened the cap a
>> little and it had quite a bit of pressure enough to where fluid started
>> coming out. I ran it for a few minutes on high heat before doing this.
>> After releasing enough pressure I pulled the upper hose in again and it
 was
>> dry. Filled in a whole gallon of distilled water in there and topped off
>> the reservoir. Started it back up and it did not start getting hot but
>> after a few minutes with the cap left off coolant started rising up and
>> flowing out of the tank. Shut it back off, pull the upper hose again
 and it
>> still appears to be dry. I filled in some more water and also filled in
 the
>> reservoir until it was flowing out of the top outlet of the radiator.
>> Reconnected hose and put cap back on then started it up. I ran it for
 about
>> 5-10 minutes and temp was fine, but upper hose seemed stiff. I don’t
 recall
>> it being stiff before while running. Temp was still good so I shut hood
 to
>> take it out. Got back in the car and temp was now up to about half way
>> between the line above 80 and the next line next to 

Re: [MBZ] I think I managed to blow the head gasket on my e300

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Sounds like you're slowly working out the trapped air.

Does the upper hose stay hard overnight?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 7, 2020 12:49:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> It sure doesn’t look good. This morning I checked reservoir and it was at the 
> mark, pulled upper hose and had water there. Started it up and let it idle 
> with some revs up and down without the cap on. Reached 80 after a while and 
> never had any bubbles in the tank. Looked good. Put cap back on, revved it up 
> and down some more and seemed fine. Temp holding fine. Took it out for a 
> drive. On the road it seemed to be doing fine. When I got out to the highway 
> a mile down the road I did a couple of full throttle accelerations. Suddenly 
> temp started shooting is getting close to the red. I turned AC off an turned 
> heat on high and temp dropped back down. After it did I turned ac back on and 
> drove normal. Didn’t take long before temp started creeping back up. Crap. 
> Got it home and popped the hood. Upper hose is rock hard. Damn it. This is 
> unbelievable.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 3:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No, never really had any issues before.
>> 
>>> On 6/6/2020 3:20 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Did you raise the front of the car before starting the filling process? It
>>> always seemed to help me 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 2:34 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Nope
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Water pump or belt turning it the wrong way?
> YMMV
> Fred.
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> After I sent this I went back to the car and there was no pressure on
 the
>> hose at all after sitting about 10 minutes. I slowly loosened cap and
 fluid
>> started coming out again. I quickly tightened it. I then loosed then
 upper
>> hose again and slowing let the pressure off. No water came out and felt
>> like there was no water at all in the upper hose. After all the pressure
>> was off removed the hose and there was no water in it. Started loosening
>> the reservoir cap and water started flowing out of the upper hose.
>> Tightened it and the flow stopped. I filled a little more water in thru
 the
>> hose, probably less than a cup and it was full, put hose back on
 radiator.
>> Pulled cap level was fine in the radiator. Started it back up and let it
>> run for a couple of minutes. Hose was not hard but also did not feel
 like
>> there was any water in it again while running. Normally they feel
 squishy
>> with water in the hose but it just felt empty. I shut it down and will
 mess
>> with it some more in the morning. I wonder if suddenly the thermostat
 stuck
>> closed or something, or what the deal might be.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin 
 wrote:
>>> I swapped out the radiator the other day and today filled it with
>> coolant/distilled water. I fill from the reservoir until full then I
 pull
>> the upper hose off the radiator then fill it into the hose until fill
 then
>> reattached. I then started it up and ran it for probably 10-15 minutes.
>> Temp rose steady till it hit the normal operating temp on the gauge. I
 then
>> took it out for a test. As soon as I pulled onto the street temp started
>> climbing. I immediately pulled back into the shop. Nearest I can figure
 is
>> I thought I got it full from the top hose but must not have. I could not
>> feel any water in the hose when squeezing it. I then loosened the cap a
>> little and it had quite a bit of pressure enough to where fluid started
>> coming out. I ran it for a few minutes on high heat before doing this.
>> After releasing enough pressure I pulled the upper hose in again and it
 was
>> dry. Filled in a whole gallon of distilled water in there and topped off
>> the reservoir. Started it back up and it did not start getting hot but
>> after a few minutes with the cap left off coolant started rising up and
>> flowing out of the tank. Shut it back off, pull the upper hose again
 and it
>> still appears to be dry. I filled in some more water and also filled in
 the
>> reservoir until it was flowing out of the top outlet of the radiator.
>> Reconnected hose and put cap back on then started it up. I ran it for
 about
>> 5-10 minutes and temp was fine, but upper hose seemed stiff. I don’t
 recall
>> it being stiff before while running. Temp was still good so I shut hood
 to
>> take it out. Got back in the car and temp was now up to about half way
>> 

Re: [MBZ] I FINALLY got it out!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Bravo!

Jun 5, 2020 4:43:52 PM Craig via Mercedes :
> Now, the test lamp glows brightly for about half a second and then goes
> out. The initial surge of current is about 1/2 amp -- though I don't know
> if my Fluke 77 has enough time to stabilize -- but the final current is
> low and varies continuously between 12.5 and 18.1 mA. (Note: 15 mA for
> 30 days is 10.8 ampere-hours, so it is quite low enough to officially
> say it's not a problem.)
>
> Now I need to see if I can connect the antenna and other things without
> the current drain increasing -- and then continue on to get the car on
> the road!
>
> Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think I would just bleed it out by removing the slave cylinder, then crack 
the connection to the master to allow air in.  Remove the carpet from the 
driver footwell if you can, put some rags inside to catch any drips.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 3, 2020 5:28:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get lots 
> of answers.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> Original Message
>> 
 The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should get
 that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under the
 dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line from the
 brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

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I ordered two pairs of glasses from Zenni, a single vision pair and a 
progressive lens pair.  Took two weeks, but they had titanium frames I like and 
the prices were very nice.

It will take some time to get used to the progressive lens glasses.  They are 
strange, but today is day three and I'm starting to get used to them.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 2, 2020 5:29:12 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Today I decided to call the eye doctor to see when I could get in. They just 
> started opening back up and said it was my lucky day I could get in at 2:15. 
> Went and did that of course they want you to wear masks. When I got back to 
> see the doc he had me take it off. I’m now getting old and will he getting 
> progressive lens this time. I then figured I would take advantage of the trip 
> to town and was able to get in to get a hair cut also. Sign on door said wear 
> mask but nobody in there was wearing them so I took mine off. Life is 
> returning to normal.
> 
> Tonight there are supposed be more riots.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I don't think "return to normal" should include "tonight there will be more 
riots".  Just say'n.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 2, 2020 5:29:12 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Today I decided to call the eye doctor to see when I could get in. They just 
> started opening back up and said it was my lucky day I could get in at 2:15. 
> Went and did that of course they want you to wear masks. When I got back to 
> see the doc he had me take it off. I’m now getting old and will he getting 
> progressive lens this time. I then figured I would take advantage of the trip 
> to town and was able to get in to get a hair cut also. Sign on door said wear 
> mask but nobody in there was wearing them so I took mine off. Life is 
> returning to normal.
> 
> Tonight there are supposed be more riots.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New car bargains soon at CA CoPart locations.

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

There was video from looting at one dealership, thieves drove off with cars 
including a G-wagon and a nice SL.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 1, 2020 3:16:28 PM Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes :

> Riots hit the Oakland dealership.
> Is that an SLS Roadster with the interior on fire?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyiPefY9GBQ
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting old

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Andrew's right, you need to build up your core.  I was also suffering from back 
pain, got busy with bicycle crunches and stretching, pain gone.

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[MBZ] Clear coat thinner?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

How about acetone?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Good Story on Waypoints

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Gee, I wonder why they choose those particular way point names for the start 
and end of the story?  I wonder, I wonder...

Dan, this is below you.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

May 29, 2020 1:03:36 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :

> For all of the pilots out there:
> 
> https://www.npr.org/2020/05/26/862654137/unusual-names-of-waypoints-used-for-airplanes-navigation
>  
> 
> 
> I always wondered who came up with those names...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clutch

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think there is a section of rubber hose built into the hose between master 
and slave, so maybe you could try that.  Not sure if the hard line part is 
mounted to the top of the trans or not.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

May 27, 2020 9:53:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> I am sure it is not working.  You are right there is very little resistance 
> in the pedal which my other 240D has, this one has zero.  Can I pull the 
> cylinder out without disconnecting the line and push the pedal to see if the 
> piston comes out or not?  I am sure this is all basic stuff but I have never 
> messed with clutches before.
> 
> On 5/27/2020 8:13 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:
>> Stupid question here:  but are you sure the clutch doesn’t work?  When the
>> clutch is perfect is these, there is very little feel and resistance in the
>> pedal.
>> 
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:17 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> So the other day I hooked clear line from right front brake caliper to the
>>> bleeder on the slave cylinder, opened them both up and had the wife start
>>> pumping the brake pedal (not all the way down) while I watched. It was
>>> moving fluid thru for sure. Had her pump a while then I took over. After
>>> all was said and done the clutch medal now returns back to the top position
>>> on its one but still does nothing. I assume it’s now air free but not sure
>>> exactly how long to pump. I guess I will order a new slave cylinder and
>>> replace it.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why are people on fakebook so stupid?

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Fake news?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

May 27, 2020 6:10:52 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :

> Uh, I believe it was. I don’t recall who, Don, maybe Jim, someone told you to 
> connect the bleeder from one of the front brakes to the bleeder on the clutch 
> cylinder and pump.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 27, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> None was given.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 27, 2020, at 9:55 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I mean, you were told pretty explicitly how to deal with a clutch slave 
>>> cylinder and couldn't listen to the advice given...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Monday, May 25, 2020, 7:06:33 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guy has a 210 that he says brakes don’t work and rears were smoking. I 
>>> explain he probably has bad brake hoses swollen shut internally. He they 
>>> goes on about how they are no leaking bla bla bla. Why can’t people just 
>>> listen?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT plumbing CPVC

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I've heard (and repeated) the bread trick.  I think you need to use cheap white 
bread, and don't pack it in there.

TP would probably work too, same thing, don't pack it.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

May 27, 2020 5:21:51 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

> The fun is never-ending. Came down to the basement this morning to find
> water covering the floor. Traced it back to the water heater. OK, it's
> 22 years old so not too surprising.
> 
> Picked up a replacement at Lowes. The plumbing in the house is all CPVC,
> so I need to glue up a couple of new pieces to connect the new
> heater. Problem is that being at the low point of the house, there's a
> never-ending slow drip coming out of the cut-off end supply
> line. Possibly the house main valve isn't making a complete seal. Anyway
> I'm finding it impossible to keep the end of the pipe dry to apply the
> cement.
> 
> I recall hearing about a trick of using bread to block a slow drip in a
> copper pipe before sweating a joint together. Thinking that might work
> just as well here. My other idea was toilet paper. It disintegrates when
> wet so it should flush out cleanly once the water is back on, I would
> think. Any other ideas?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clutch

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I think that's a good plan.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

May 27, 2020 5:17:44 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> So the other day I hooked clear line from right front brake caliper to the 
> bleeder on the slave cylinder, opened them both up and had the wife start 
> pumping the brake pedal (not all the way down) while I watched. It was moving 
> fluid thru for sure. Had her pump a while then I took over. After all was 
> said and done the clutch medal now returns back to the top position on its 
> one but still does nothing. I assume it’s now air free but not sure exactly 
> how long to pump. I guess I will order a new slave cylinder and replace it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now it's the washing machine

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Those of you with front loader mildew: do you keep the door closed when the 
washer is not in use?  We always leave our washer door open, no mildew, 20 
years of use.

May 25, 2020 8:42:17 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes :

> Yes I have a 12 ish year old Maytag front loader and it does have mildew 
>smell issues.
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Re: [MBZ] GLK 250 Blutec fuel gauge issue

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Last fill of the tank for my '95 E300 returned 31 mpg, all in town driving.
(Thanks Dan!)

Low traffic volume means that nearly every intersection is a green light, and 
the speed limit is 45 mph, so about optimum conditions for high mpg.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 24, 2020 11:50:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes :

>   I've driven over 320 miles in my "new" 2014 GLK 250 with another +- 250 
>  
> miles left in the range (19 gallon tank, av. 30 mpg).  Yet the fuel gauge 
>  
> shows I am only down 1/3 of a tank.  Anyone else come across this glitch? 
>  
> I should be below 1/2 by now.  The needle is not jumping around.  Fuel 
>  
> sender?? 
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Re: [MBZ] Rats

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Giant Rats!

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Charleston SC
May 25, 2020 6:55:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

>   https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-city-lockdowns-caused-rat-131921243.html 
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Re: [MBZ] Why are people on fakebook so stupid?

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I thought Dumas was one of the three musketeers?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 25, 2020 8:18:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes :

>   There dumasses 
>  
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> >On May 25, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> >   
> >  
> >   Guy has a 210 that he says brakes don’t work and rears were smoking. 
> > I explain he probably has bad brake hoses swollen shut internally. He they 
> > goes on about how they are no leaking bla bla bla. Why can’t people just 
> > listen? 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: Mask Debate $.02

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Greg, maybe your pharmacist knows which doctors in your area are prescribing 
HCQ?

Congrats on the weight loss, that's a huge number!

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 24, 2020 4:27:05 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes :

>   I bought the Kardia 6L when I saw it cost way less than my copay for my 
> previous EKG and sent my fresh EKG to my cardiologist to find out if I had 
> any of the odd rhythms that are a contraindication for HCQ. I passed that 
> test. She said that no doctor would prescribe it for me because of the FDA 
> status. I'll find someone. 
>  
>  
>  Meanwhile I'm taking D and zinc supplements. I've gotten my weight down 
> 65# in the past 2 years. Riding the exercise bike 1/2 hr. daily. 
>  
>  
>  I'm doing extreme distancing until I'm confident with "expert" 
> recommendations and acceptable risk level. 
>  
>  
>  Greg 
>  
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>  -Original Message- 
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> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 12:49 PM 
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Mask Debate $.02 
>  
>  
>  In your shoes, I'd have a talk with my doctor about getting treatment 
> with hydroxochloroquine / zinc at first sign of infection with Wuhan Red 
> Death.  I'd also be getting plenty of sunshine (vitamin D). 
>  
>  
>  Max Dillon 
>  
> Charleston SC 
>  
> May 24, 2020 3:38:11 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes : 
>  
>  
>   
>  
> 
> >  Being a 75 year-old with history of heart disease and cancer, 
> > I have been watching this closely, to include the analogies about hurricane 
> > fences to stop mosquitoes, and  "legal opinions" that it would be illegal 
> > to demand someone wear a mask to enter a business. 
> >   
> >  
> >
> >     
> >     
> >    Here's my take: 
> >   
> >  
> >
> >     
> >     
> >    We can't trust any of the science at this point because there 
> > has been so much misinformation, disinformation, and political bias 
> > affecting public information. 
> >   
> >  
> >
> >     
> >     
> >    We should err on the side of safety. 
> >   
> >  
> >
> >     
> >     
> >    Some cultures are mask-friendly. Having spent most of my 
> > work-life hanging around international airports, I have seen people from 
> > Japan frequently using masks during seasonal illnesses. I understand 
> > Taiwanese do also. The figures from these countries indicate a probable 
> > benefit from wearing masks. It is clear that these masks are unlikely to 
> > stop virus-sized particles, but the "science" says that the virus must 
> > hitch a ride on a droplet. Even a couple of cloth layers can stop a 
> > droplet. It would be nice if we had a CDC that would spend most of their 
> > budget experimenting with stuff like this so we would have real guidance 
> > instead of being told first to sanitize all incoming mail and packages, 
> > then being told later..."Nevermind!". But they've been too busy wanting to 
> > do studies to determine if firearms are dangerous. 
> >   
> >  
> >
> >     
> >     
> >    On a humorous note, I am expecting a result like in The 
> > Andromeda Strain, where the cure was found by discovering that the drunks 
> > were immune. There is some evidence that tobacco smokers are less likely to 
> > contract the disease, and Canadian researchers are finding some strains of 
> > MJ can kill the virus. 
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> >     
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Mask Debate $.02

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

In your shoes, I'd have a talk with my doctor about getting treatment with 
hydroxochloroquine / zinc at first sign of infection with Wuhan Red Death.  I'd 
also be getting plenty of sunshine (vitamin D).

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 24, 2020 3:38:11 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes :

>   Being a 75 year-old with history of heart disease and cancer, I have 
> been watching this closely, to include the analogies about hurricane fences 
> to stop mosquitoes, and  "legal opinions" that it would be illegal to demand 
> someone wear a mask to enter a business. 
>  
>  
>   
>   
>  Here's my take: 
>  
>  
>   
>   
>  We can't trust any of the science at this point because there has been 
> so much misinformation, disinformation, and political bias affecting public 
> information. 
>  
>  
>   
>   
>  We should err on the side of safety. 
>  
>  
>   
>   
>  Some cultures are mask-friendly. Having spent most of my work-life 
> hanging around international airports, I have seen people from Japan 
> frequently using masks during seasonal illnesses. I understand Taiwanese do 
> also. The figures from these countries indicate a probable benefit from 
> wearing masks. It is clear that these masks are unlikely to stop virus-sized 
> particles, but the "science" says that the virus must hitch a ride on a 
> droplet. Even a couple of cloth layers can stop a droplet. It would be nice 
> if we had a CDC that would spend most of their budget experimenting with 
> stuff like this so we would have real guidance instead of being told first to 
> sanitize all incoming mail and packages, then being told 
> later..."Nevermind!". But they've been too busy wanting to do studies to 
> determine if firearms are dangerous. 
>  
>  
>   
>   
>  On a humorous note, I am expecting a result like in The Andromeda 
> Strain, where the cure was found by discovering that the drunks were immune. 
> There is some evidence that tobacco smokers are less likely to contract the 
> disease, and Canadian researchers are finding some strains of MJ can kill the 
> virus. 
>  
>  
>   
>   
>  Greg 
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[MBZ] OT Pre-existing immunity to WRD?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Study: A majority of the population may have 'some degree' of preexisting 
immunity to COVID-19

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/study-suggests-majority-population-may-already-have-some-degree

Up to 60% of the population may have at least some protection against the virus.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] OT: cure worse than disease

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The true measure would be an increase in suicides over the typical number; that 
increase may be attributed to the lock down.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 23, 2020 7:56:45 PM Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes :

>   On Sat, May 23, 2020 6:11 pm, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> >California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than 
> >   
> > coronavirus since lockdowns 
> >   
> >  
> >   
> > https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-doctors-say-theyve-see 
> >   
> > n-more-deaths-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns 
> >   
> >  
> >  
>  
>  A friend and I crunched the numbers the other night. 
>  
> A typical CA month has 4000 suicides. 
>  
> WhuFlu CA deaths clearly less than that. 
>  
> Myth not busted. 
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[MBZ] OT: cure worse than disease

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus 
since lockdowns

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-doctors-say-theyve-seen-more-deaths-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns

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Re: [MBZ] must be LSD in the car too

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

We had a green one when I was a kid, don't know which engine, but it was able 
to spin the rear wheels pretty easily.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 22, 2020 11:55:23 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

>   I recall my buddy's mother had one off those, looked just like that, 
> with the 428 but auto, it was fast as hell but got about 8mpg the way my 
> buddy drove it 
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>  On 5/22/20 11:34 AM, Floyd Thursby wrote: 
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> >https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-ford-country-squire/ 
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