Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-05 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On November 4, 2019 at 9:16 PM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> So what is this cube thing?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:35:14 + (UTC) 
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:> "... the cube thing 
they sell you at Autozone."So what is this cube 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:35:14 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> "... the cube thing they sell you at Autozone."

So what is this cube thing?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Exactly $

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have pretty much always preferred to buy tools rather than pay for labour.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 04/11/2019 11:38 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> And adds to the collection of mostly useless tools that have to be stored 
>> until you need them again, because you can't devise another way to do the 
>> job.
>> 
>> 
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 11:16 AM:
>>> attaboy...
>>> Whatever doesn't kill us makes us stronger? ,,,smarter?
>>> Mitch
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Here's a story from a Ford dealership in the 1980s (not my story, fortunately):

I've had to deal with detailers for years... one of the stupidest things I 
encountered was new PU trucks showing up on the delivery line with dents in the 
top of the hood that I know were not there when the vehicle was inventoried and 
sold. One day I was in the detail dept. and a detailer was kneeling on the hood 
cleaning the windshield! That was the last time he did that... many more 
stories but that one was one I'll never forget as it was an on-going expensive 
problem until I chanced upon the cause.

> On November 4, 2019 at 2:52 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Stealers screw up stuff too.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I will be replacing the rear calipers soon on my 04 Golf, they both stick badly 
once the piston is out very far.  Huge pain to get them to retract.

Sadly the seal that fails is the one part nearly impossible to find, and there 
do not appear to be any rebuilt calipers of this style, only new.

No dragging brakes is a good thing
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 VW dealers are known for putting the timing belt tensioners into TDI cars 
backwards, apparently the TDI tensioners are reverse of the gassers...

-Curt

On Monday, November 4, 2019, 2:53:42 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Stealers screw up stuff too.  All in all, I've had better luck with 
independent shops than stealers.  But yes, independent shops screw up 
stuff awfully, and often.   THat is why I learned I had to do it myself 
or do without. Exception being Bosch authorized service centers, but I 
only used one, and since he owned MB cars and had NO employees, all was 
good.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 12:45 PM:
>> On November 4, 2019 at 1:12 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> And the likelihood that "somebody"
>> either does not have the special tool or will otherwise screw up the job
>> is HIGH!
> Bingo. 30 years ago, I'd farm out jobs that required factory tools, and 
> invariably they'd charge me to mess it up worse than I could have done 
> myself. I learned not to let others touch my cars.
>
> Looking back on it, if the issue is not having a factory tool, I should 
> either buy/make the tool or take it to the dealer. My mistake was taking 
> factory tool work to independent specialists.
>
> Mitch.
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
That makes sense. I can see where it would be a little easier using the 
compressor for both front and back. I did have to fight to get things aligned 
so they could go back together in both situations, but I wouldn’t hesitate to 
do it that way again - and I have a Klaan knock-off sitting on the shelf

-D

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, for one reason, when I did it I had no floor jack and (2.) we used taxi 
> springs.  (3.) I only  took loose the outside of the front LCA, and it would 
> not go together without the springs compressed.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 12:51 PM:
>> Why would you need a spring compressor for the front springs on a W110/111? 
>> I got mine in and out without one. It wasn’t bad at all, nor were the rears.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Well, for one reason, when I did it I had no floor jack and (2.) we used 
taxi springs.  (3.) I only  took loose the outside of the front LCA, and 
it would not go together without the springs compressed.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 12:51 PM:

Why would you need a spring compressor for the front springs on a W110/111? I 
got mine in and out without one. It wasn’t bad at all, nor were the rears.

-D





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Stealers screw up stuff too.  All in all, I've had better luck with 
independent shops than stealers.  But yes, independent shops screw up 
stuff awfully, and often.   THat is why I learned I had to do it myself 
or do without. Exception being Bosch authorized service centers, but I 
only used one, and since he owned MB cars and had NO employees, all was 
good.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 12:45 PM:

On November 4, 2019 at 1:12 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
And the likelihood that "somebody"
either does not have the special tool or will otherwise screw up the job
is HIGH!

Bingo. 30 years ago, I'd farm out jobs that required factory tools, and 
invariably they'd charge me to mess it up worse than I could have done myself. 
I learned not to let others touch my cars.

Looking back on it, if the issue is not having a factory tool, I should either 
buy/make the tool or take it to the dealer. My mistake was taking factory tool 
work to independent specialists.

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I paid a fair bit for my Klann, which was a group mailing list
buy 20+ years ago.  I think there were 20 or so in the group
buy.  There was a substantial savings in bulk.

Sadly, I have yet to use it.  I would have, if it'd been the right
tool for the E320 (4wd) front springs.  (It's not.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
The Chinese copy works fine for W140 front springs, which are pretty strong. 
I paid a lot more than $60 for mine. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/312457782363

> On November 4, 2019 at 1:44 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> yeah,   It was nice to be able to borrow Q's 126 BJ tool, and his klann 
> spring compressor.   At least now I know how the klann is built.   If I 
> ever do front end work on 110/111/112 again, I want one.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Why would you need a spring compressor for the front springs on a W110/111? I 
got mine in and out without one. It wasn’t bad at all, nor were the rears.

-D

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yeah,   It was nice to be able to borrow Q's 126 BJ tool, and his klann 
> spring compressor.   At least now I know how the klann is built.   If I ever 
> do front end work on 110/111/112 again, I want one.
> 
> OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 12:36 PM:
>> Sounds like you guys need to set up a special tool exchange - no sense in
>> everyone buying one that gets used once every five years --
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
My EMS is a 1977 also. 
Did you have to cut a notch in the bar to get a full 90 degree swing inside the 
caliper?
I think my ruler might be 1 1/4" wide. It definitely needed the notch.
Was yours a sunroof car from the plant in Belgium? How rusty was it?

Mitch.
> On November 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I made a tool just like that for my '77 Saab 99EMS a few decades back. I 
> think I used rivets instead of screws and 1/8 X 1 steel bar.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


> On November 4, 2019 at 1:12 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> And the likelihood that "somebody" 
> either does not have the special tool or will otherwise screw up the job 
> is HIGH!

Bingo. 30 years ago, I'd farm out jobs that required factory tools, and 
invariably they'd charge me to mess it up worse than I could have done myself. 
I learned not to let others touch my cars.

Looking back on it, if the issue is not having a factory tool, I should either 
buy/make the tool or take it to the dealer. My mistake was taking factory tool 
work to independent specialists.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
yeah,   It was nice to be able to borrow Q's 126 BJ tool, and his klann 
spring compressor.   At least now I know how the klann is built.   If I 
ever do front end work on 110/111/112 again, I want one.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 12:36 PM:

Sounds like you guys need to set up a special tool exchange - no sense in
everyone buying one that gets used once every five years --





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Sounds like you guys need to set up a special tool exchange - no sense in
everyone buying one that gets used once every five years --

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 12:13 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Definitely, for more or less regular tools, like 18" and 24" crescent
> wrenches, big sockets, big allen wrenches, flame wrenches etc. that have
> multiple uses.   I strongly DISLIKE "special tools".   Even IF you break
> down and buy one, IF you need it another time, it is unlikely it can be
> located.   Even so, buying the stupid special tools is often still
> cheaper than taking it to somebody.   And the likelihood that "somebody"
> either does not have the special tool or will otherwise screw up the job
> is HIGH!
>
> Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 11:56 AM:
> > I have pretty much always preferred to buy tools rather than pay for
> > labour.
> >
> > Randy
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Definitely, for more or less regular tools, like 18" and 24" crescent 
wrenches, big sockets, big allen wrenches, flame wrenches etc. that have 
multiple uses.   I strongly DISLIKE "special tools".   Even IF you break 
down and buy one, IF you need it another time, it is unlikely it can be 
located.   Even so, buying the stupid special tools is often still 
cheaper than taking it to somebody.   And the likelihood that "somebody" 
either does not have the special tool or will otherwise screw up the job 
is HIGH!


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 11:56 AM:
I have pretty much always preferred to buy tools rather than pay for 
labour.


Randy




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 I think this could be used as a pad pusher on about any caliper. Its well made 
and generates a lot of force, holds itself in place nicely. The sort of thing 
where I wonder why I didn't get one sooner...
-Curt

On Monday, November 4, 2019, 12:39:16 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 And adds to the collection of mostly useless tools that have to be 
stored until you need them again, because you can't devise another way 
to do the job.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 11:16 AM:
> attaboy...
> Whatever doesn't kill us makes us stronger? ,,,smarter?
> Mitch
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I have pretty much always preferred to buy tools rather than pay for 
labour.


Randy


On 04/11/2019 11:38 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
And adds to the collection of mostly useless tools that have to be 
stored until you need them again, because you can't devise another way 
to do the job.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 11:16 AM:

attaboy...
Whatever doesn't kill us makes us stronger? ,,,smarter?
Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


Bought my first Saab from an engineer's wife. 
Well actually I bought it from him, she just came out briefly to sign the title 
over.
He gave me a care package which included his brake piston wrench. 

The factory tool was a steel bar with two pins to engage the holes in the 
piston. 
He drilled a steel ruler, drove two screws through it, and filed them into 
pins. 
I still have it in the bottom drawer of my tool cabinet. Unlike the six way 
cube, it only fits the Girling front calipers on late 70s/early 80s Saabs. 
That front E brake was really something. My Saab could stop quicker on the 
handbrake than some US cars could with the brake pedal. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
BTDT with the special tool for the rear brakes, Infiniti not Jetta, but I
did not break the C-clamp.

Several years later, that caliper failed (stuck on) and the car had to be
towed.  I suspect the failed attempt at brute-forcing the piston to retract
may have shortened the life, you may want to ask around on Jetta forums /
lists to see if that is a concern.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 11:36 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Spent the weekend replacing the rear brakes on the 2015 Jetta. One of the
> pads on the driver's side rear had apparently stuck and wore all the
> friction material off until it started grinding.
> I ordered new pads and rotors but didn't realize that you need a special
> tool, the caliper pistons have to rotate as they press in, you can't push
> them in if they don't rotate. I guess this is part of how the parking brake
> works. I ended up breaking a 6" c-clamp trying to use the cube thing they
> sell you at Autozone. In the end I bought the proper tool at Harbor Freight:
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008686141_c434948acf_b.jpg
> Which makes the job super easy:
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008897132_d198b3a2f4_b.jpg
> The worst part of the job was actually breaking the caliper bolts loose.
> They're 14mm triple square which I absolutely could not find locally. Turns
> out you can pound a T60 torx in and it will work adequately well, however
> the bolts are VERY tight and have some kind of heat resistant thread locker
> their whole length. I made the mistake of breaking one loose but not
> removing it while I pulled the other, when I went back to the first bolt I
> had to break it free again. My hands look like I've been playing in a meat
> grinder...
> I got it there in the end and now once again enjoy silent braking:
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008151558_262f834163_b.jpg
> I have ordered the proper 14mm triple square driver for when I do the
> fronts.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Fords and Mazdas require the cube as well. First time I did rear brakes on a 
Focus I nearly destroyed a C clamp. The cube is in my “oddball tools” box. 
Definitely did the trick once I figured it out.

-D

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Spent the weekend replacing the rear brakes on the 2015 Jetta. One of the 
> pads on the driver's side rear had apparently stuck and wore all the friction 
> material off until it started grinding.
> I ordered new pads and rotors but didn't realize that you need a special 
> tool, the caliper pistons have to rotate as they press in, you can't push 
> them in if they don't rotate. I guess this is part of how the parking brake 
> works. I ended up breaking a 6" c-clamp trying to use the cube thing they 
> sell you at Autozone. In the end I bought the proper tool at Harbor 
> Freight:https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008686141_c434948acf_b.jpg
> Which makes the job super easy: 
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008897132_d198b3a2f4_b.jpg
> The worst part of the job was actually breaking the caliper bolts loose. 
> They're 14mm triple square which I absolutely could not find locally. Turns 
> out you can pound a T60 torx in and it will work adequately well, however the 
> bolts are VERY tight and have some kind of heat resistant thread locker their 
> whole length. I made the mistake of breaking one loose but not removing it 
> while I pulled the other, when I went back to the first bolt I had to break 
> it free again. My hands look like I've been playing in a meat grinder...
> I got it there in the end and now once again enjoy silent braking: 
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008151558_262f834163_b.jpg
> I have ordered the proper 14mm triple square driver for when I do the fronts.
> 
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
I had a similar experience replacing brake pads on my niece’s 1993 Honda Del 
Sol. It had the same caliper pucks which I was able to turn with a c clamp 
biting on the notches on the puck. Without the dragging rear brake, you should 
be able to hit 60mpg!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Spent the weekend replacing the rear brakes on the 2015 Jetta. One of the 
> pads on the driver's side rear had apparently stuck and wore all the friction 
> material off until it started grinding.
> I ordered new pads and rotors but didn't realize that you need a special 
> tool, the caliper pistons have to rotate as they press in, you can't push 
> them in if they don't rotate. I guess this is part of how the parking brake 
> works. I ended up breaking a 6" c-clamp trying to use the cube thing they 
> sell you at Autozone. In the end I bought the proper tool at Harbor 
> Freight:https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008686141_c434948acf_b.jpg
> Which makes the job super easy: 
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008897132_d198b3a2f4_b.jpg
> The worst part of the job was actually breaking the caliper bolts loose. 
> They're 14mm triple square which I absolutely could not find locally. Turns 
> out you can pound a T60 torx in and it will work adequately well, however the 
> bolts are VERY tight and have some kind of heat resistant thread locker their 
> whole length. I made the mistake of breaking one loose but not removing it 
> while I pulled the other, when I went back to the first bolt I had to break 
> it free again. My hands look like I've been playing in a meat grinder...
> I got it there in the end and now once again enjoy silent braking: 
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008151558_262f834163_b.jpg
> I have ordered the proper 14mm triple square driver for when I do the fronts.
> 
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
And adds to the collection of mostly useless tools that have to be 
stored until you need them again, because you can't devise another way 
to do the job.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 11:16 AM:

attaboy...
Whatever doesn't kill us makes us stronger? ,,,smarter?
Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Yeah, my wife's 2005 Golf is hard on pads.
As you say I put a little ceramic grease on the shoulder. I actually had to 
scrape corrosion off them to be able to get the pads in...
-Curt

On Monday, November 4, 2019, 12:05:11 PM EST, David Bruckmann 
 wrote:  
 
 This reminds me of my hated 2002 Golf, which, along with the Jetta, had a rear 
caliper design that collected sufficient sand and corrosion (I was in Toronto 
at that point) to prevent the pads from backing away from the rotor. It was a 
common issue; the talk of the town over on the TDICLUB forums.

The trick is to use just a little bit of lubricant on the shoulder that carries 
the pads. Better yet, remove the pads seasonally for cleanup etc.

D.

On 11/4/19, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
>Spent the weekend replacing the rear brakes on the 2015 Jetta. One of the pads 
>on the driver's side rear had apparently stuck and wore all the friction 
>material off until it started grinding.

  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
attaboy...
Whatever doesn't kill us makes us stronger? ,,,smarter?
Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
This reminds me of my hated 2002 Golf, which, along with the Jetta, had a rear 
caliper design that collected sufficient sand and corrosion (I was in Toronto 
at that point) to prevent the pads from backing away from the rotor. It was a 
common issue; the talk of the town over on the TDICLUB forums.

The trick is to use just a little bit of lubricant on the shoulder that carries 
the pads. Better yet, remove the pads seasonally for cleanup etc.

D.

On 11/4/19, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
>Spent the weekend replacing the rear brakes on the 2015 Jetta. One of the pads 
>on the driver's side rear had apparently stuck and wore all the friction 
>material off until it started grinding.


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[MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

2019-11-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Spent the weekend replacing the rear brakes on the 2015 Jetta. One of the pads 
on the driver's side rear had apparently stuck and wore all the friction 
material off until it started grinding.
I ordered new pads and rotors but didn't realize that you need a special tool, 
the caliper pistons have to rotate as they press in, you can't push them in if 
they don't rotate. I guess this is part of how the parking brake works. I ended 
up breaking a 6" c-clamp trying to use the cube thing they sell you at 
Autozone. In the end I bought the proper tool at Harbor 
Freight:https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008686141_c434948acf_b.jpg
Which makes the job super easy: 
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008897132_d198b3a2f4_b.jpg
The worst part of the job was actually breaking the caliper bolts loose. 
They're 14mm triple square which I absolutely could not find locally. Turns out 
you can pound a T60 torx in and it will work adequately well, however the bolts 
are VERY tight and have some kind of heat resistant thread locker their whole 
length. I made the mistake of breaking one loose but not removing it while I 
pulled the other, when I went back to the first bolt I had to break it free 
again. My hands look like I've been playing in a meat grinder...
I got it there in the end and now once again enjoy silent braking: 
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008151558_262f834163_b.jpg
I have ordered the proper 14mm triple square driver for when I do the fronts.

-Curt
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