Re: [MBZ] OT Truck front end parts
On 2022-04-02 23:09, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yep. I guess not bad for 225k miles. First choice OE. 2nd choice probably Moog. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Truck front end parts
Yep. I guess not bad for 225k miles. On 4/2/2022 10:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Throw in the shocks grand total is around $872. Geez, parts prices sure add up quick. Less than the price of ONE new truck payment, for a $65,000 truck financed at 0% for six years. ONE. PAYMENT. Pretty much a bargain in my book. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Truck front end parts
> Throw in the shocks grand total is around $872. Geez, parts prices sure add > up quick. Less than the price of ONE new truck payment, for a $65,000 truck financed at 0% for six years. ONE. PAYMENT. Pretty much a bargain in my book. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Truck front end parts
In case anyone is curious, to replace inner and outer tie rods, new upper control arms with bushings and ball joints, new lower ball joints, idler arm, pitman arm, steering shock, sway bar links is about $634. Throw in the shocks grand total is around $872. Geez, parts prices sure add up quick. On 4/2/2022 8:35 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: If the original equipment lasted 200k miles I would see if OE is available. Will it cost more? Yup. Is not doing the front end again in two years worth it? Yup. I once had a 3/4 ton GMC I rebuild the front end on. I used AutoZone Duralast parts. Lifetime warranty. I collected on the warranty 20k miles later and did part of the job again. I really do like repairing things, but I don't like doing a job twice because parts are junk. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: April 2, 2022 6:16 PM To: davesl...@okiebenz.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] OT Truck front end parts I have a set of Bilstein shocks on the way that are supposed to be here Monday for the 02 Duramax with 225k miles. I am sure nothing has ever been done to the front end. I am sure the shocks are original. Anyway, got it up on the lift today to take a look at it and get ready for the shock replacement. Looking at the front end appears at the very least it needs upper ball joints and tie rods. Tomorrow I will go pry around on it to see if the lower ball joints are loose but the boots are not split. Thats not to say they wont be soon. Thinking I might need to just go ahead and replace them also but it does require a lot more disassembly than just the uppers. Also need to see if the upper control arm bushings have slop in them. If so, probably will just replace the whole control arm. Anybody know what the good steering and suspension parts are for these Moog? Something else? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Truck front end parts
If the original equipment lasted 200k miles I would see if OE is available. Will it cost more? Yup. Is not doing the front end again in two years worth it? Yup. I once had a 3/4 ton GMC I rebuild the front end on. I used AutoZone Duralast parts. Lifetime warranty. I collected on the warranty 20k miles later and did part of the job again. I really do like repairing things, but I don't like doing a job twice because parts are junk. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: April 2, 2022 6:16 PM To: davesl...@okiebenz.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] OT Truck front end parts I have a set of Bilstein shocks on the way that are supposed to be here Monday for the 02 Duramax with 225k miles. I am sure nothing has ever been done to the front end. I am sure the shocks are original. Anyway, got it up on the lift today to take a look at it and get ready for the shock replacement. Looking at the front end appears at the very least it needs upper ball joints and tie rods. Tomorrow I will go pry around on it to see if the lower ball joints are loose but the boots are not split. Thats not to say they wont be soon. Thinking I might need to just go ahead and replace them also but it does require a lot more disassembly than just the uppers. Also need to see if the upper control arm bushings have slop in them. If so, probably will just replace the whole control arm. Anybody know what the good steering and suspension parts are for these Moog? Something else? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Truck front end parts
I have a set of Bilstein shocks on the way that are supposed to be here Monday for the 02 Duramax with 225k miles. I am sure nothing has ever been done to the front end. I am sure the shocks are original. Anyway, got it up on the lift today to take a look at it and get ready for the shock replacement. Looking at the front end appears at the very least it needs upper ball joints and tie rods. Tomorrow I will go pry around on it to see if the lower ball joints are loose but the boots are not split. Thats not to say they wont be soon. Thinking I might need to just go ahead and replace them also but it does require a lot more disassembly than just the uppers. Also need to see if the upper control arm bushings have slop in them. If so, probably will just replace the whole control arm. Anybody know what the good steering and suspension parts are for these Moog? Something else? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck shocks
I went ahead and ordered the Bilsteins. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 27, 2022, at 10:10 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I put Monroe strut packs on the Focus last time it needed doing. So far they > seem fine, FWIW. > >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >> I recall getting some Monroe shocks at some point for my 87 Blazer. >> They worked, but I have no idea how long they would have gone for as the >> truck rusted out and I gave it away before putting a lot of miles on it. >> >> --FT >> >>> On 3/27/22 10:01 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> My 02 Duramax is WAY past due for shocks. Has probably needed new >>> shocks the last 50k miles or more. I do not drive the truck all that >>> often and simply don't think about it until the next time I drive it. >>> I know all about MB shocks, but does anyone have any ideas or >>> recommendations as far as shocks for 3/4 ton pickups? I do not need >>> any heavy duty off road high dollar specialty shocks, just looking for >>> original ride quality I guess. Gabriell, Monroe? AC Delco? All of >>> these seem to have several different models. Want something that is >>> going to last and not blow out after a few k miles. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> -- >> --FT >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck shocks
I put Monroe strut packs on the Focus last time it needed doing. So far they seem fine, FWIW. On Sun, Mar 27, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > I recall getting some Monroe shocks at some point for my 87 Blazer. > They worked, but I have no idea how long they would have gone for as the > truck rusted out and I gave it away before putting a lot of miles on it. > > --FT > > On 3/27/22 10:01 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> My 02 Duramax is WAY past due for shocks. Has probably needed new >> shocks the last 50k miles or more. I do not drive the truck all that >> often and simply don't think about it until the next time I drive it. >> I know all about MB shocks, but does anyone have any ideas or >> recommendations as far as shocks for 3/4 ton pickups? I do not need >> any heavy duty off road high dollar specialty shocks, just looking for >> original ride quality I guess. Gabriell, Monroe? AC Delco? All of >> these seem to have several different models. Want something that is >> going to last and not blow out after a few k miles. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck shocks
Since I now know you have a 5th wheel trailer, and surmise you will be using said truck to pull it, I suggest you go the extra wallet mile for premium shocks. With a trailer loaded, 5th wheel camper, or full of cars, you really want the truck to stay and obey on the road. Putting on the cheap quality shocks will pay you back when you most need them to control the truck so you can control the load. And, don't forget to "torque your nuts" before you leave the shop. On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 7:02 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > My 02 Duramax is WAY past due for shocks. Has probably needed new > shocks the last 50k miles or more. I do not drive the truck all that > often and simply don't think about it until the next time I drive it. I > know all about MB shocks, but does anyone have any ideas or > recommendations as far as shocks for 3/4 ton pickups? I do not need any > heavy duty off road high dollar specialty shocks, just looking for > original ride quality I guess. Gabriell, Monroe? AC Delco? All of > these seem to have several different models. Want something that is > going to last and not blow out after a few k miles. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck shocks
Most if not all Gabriel and Monroe are probably to be considered disposable. Delco Advantage too. Delco Gold might work out OK, but I never understood why they made Gold when they were already making Original Equipment. Delco OE will last like the originals did. Bilstein are the good stuff, but for most applications hard to find in comfort tune and hard to live with in HD tune. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck shocks
I recall getting some Monroe shocks at some point for my 87 Blazer. They worked, but I have no idea how long they would have gone for as the truck rusted out and I gave it away before putting a lot of miles on it. --FT On 3/27/22 10:01 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: My 02 Duramax is WAY past due for shocks. Has probably needed new shocks the last 50k miles or more. I do not drive the truck all that often and simply don't think about it until the next time I drive it. I know all about MB shocks, but does anyone have any ideas or recommendations as far as shocks for 3/4 ton pickups? I do not need any heavy duty off road high dollar specialty shocks, just looking for original ride quality I guess. Gabriell, Monroe? AC Delco? All of these seem to have several different models. Want something that is going to last and not blow out after a few k miles. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT truck shocks
My 02 Duramax is WAY past due for shocks. Has probably needed new shocks the last 50k miles or more. I do not drive the truck all that often and simply don't think about it until the next time I drive it. I know all about MB shocks, but does anyone have any ideas or recommendations as far as shocks for 3/4 ton pickups? I do not need any heavy duty off road high dollar specialty shocks, just looking for original ride quality I guess. Gabriell, Monroe? AC Delco? All of these seem to have several different models. Want something that is going to last and not blow out after a few k miles. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck Wheel-Well Replacement Parts?
Depends on how old it is. If it's newer than 2010, I'd say the dealer. I'm sure there are online dealers that sell parts at a discount. If it's older, LMC parts would be a good place to look. https://www.lmctruck.com/chevrolet https://www.gmoutletparts.com/ https://www.chevroletonlineparts.com/ https://www.wholesalegmpartsonline.com/cars/Chevrolet/car-parts.html https://www.gmpartsdirect.com/ Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: April 25, 2021 3:19 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: ml320@fiorentino.space Subject: [MBZ] OT: Truck Wheel-Well Replacement Parts? Hi: I just had a request from my B-I-L for a source for rivet-on wheel well replacement parts for a Chevy pickup. He is out in Eastern LI NY. Anybody know a good source for these parts? TIA Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Truck Wheel-Well Replacement Parts?
Hi: I just had a request from my B-I-L for a source for rivet-on wheel well replacement parts for a Chevy pickup. He is out in Eastern LI NY. Anybody know a good source for these parts? TIA Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Truck AC
Good points, thanks --FT Sent from iPhone > On Apr 23, 2021, at 10:26 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Add to your list dye check fluid and a black light. Once you replace O > rings and all the other bits, you will want to pull a vacuum on the system > to see if it is "Tight and sealed" ... dye check will help you find pesky > leaks, like a hose that has broken down.. in fact.. if the system is old, > very likely the flex hoses are the porus kind... new style replacement > hoses are much better.. You might consider replacing hoses while you have > it all opened up. > >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 1:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> Receiver-dryer? >> >>> On 23/04/2021 3:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >>> My 96 Chebby truck AC has not worked for years, I am thinking I should >>> fix it. Advance Auto have the o-ring and gasket kit which looks to be >>> all that are needed (wherever they go) for $7. There might be some >>> compressor seals too if that is leaking, I guess I would find out. >>> >>> Are there any other bits I should change while I am doing the seals? >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Truck AC
Add to your list dye check fluid and a black light. Once you replace O rings and all the other bits, you will want to pull a vacuum on the system to see if it is "Tight and sealed" ... dye check will help you find pesky leaks, like a hose that has broken down.. in fact.. if the system is old, very likely the flex hoses are the porus kind... new style replacement hoses are much better.. You might consider replacing hoses while you have it all opened up. On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 1:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Receiver-dryer? > > On 23/04/2021 3:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > > My 96 Chebby truck AC has not worked for years, I am thinking I should > > fix it. Advance Auto have the o-ring and gasket kit which looks to be > > all that are needed (wherever they go) for $7. There might be some > > compressor seals too if that is leaking, I guess I would find out. > > > > Are there any other bits I should change while I am doing the seals? > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Truck AC
How to change AC Compressor, Receiver Dryer and Orifice Tube - 1997 GMC Sierra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oSNem5YQJQ On 4/23/21 4:44 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: yeah I'm watching a vid right now where the guy replaced the compressor and R-D and orifice tube. I guess I should get those too. Was the video sponsored by FLAPS, by any chance? -- Jim -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Truck AC
> yeah I'm watching a vid right now where the guy replaced the compressor and > R-D and orifice tube. I guess I should get those too. Was the video sponsored by FLAPS, by any chance? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Truck AC
yeah I'm watching a vid right now where the guy replaced the compressor and R-D and orifice tube. I guess I should get those too. --FT On 4/23/21 4:17 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I think it's generally advised that any time you open the system you should change the accumulator or receiver drier, whichever it has? Allan Floyd Thursby via Mercedes writes: My 96 Chebby truck AC has not worked for years, I am thinking I should fix it. Advance Auto have the o-ring and gasket kit which looks to be all that are needed (wherever they go) for $7. There might be some compressor seals too if that is leaking, I guess I would find out. Are there any other bits I should change while I am doing the seals? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Truck AC
I think it's generally advised that any time you open the system you should change the accumulator or receiver drier, whichever it has? Allan Floyd Thursby via Mercedes writes: > My 96 Chebby truck AC has not worked for years, I am thinking I should > fix it. Advance Auto have the o-ring and gasket kit which looks to be > all that are needed (wherever they go) for $7. There might be some > compressor seals too if that is leaking, I guess I would find out. > > Are there any other bits I should change while I am doing the seals? > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Truck AC
Receiver-dryer? On 23/04/2021 3:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: My 96 Chebby truck AC has not worked for years, I am thinking I should fix it. Advance Auto have the o-ring and gasket kit which looks to be all that are needed (wherever they go) for $7. There might be some compressor seals too if that is leaking, I guess I would find out. Are there any other bits I should change while I am doing the seals? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Truck AC
My 96 Chebby truck AC has not worked for years, I am thinking I should fix it. Advance Auto have the o-ring and gasket kit which looks to be all that are needed (wherever they go) for $7. There might be some compressor seals too if that is leaking, I guess I would find out. Are there any other bits I should change while I am doing the seals? -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: truck prices
I have been looking at bottom feeder box truck for hauling #1 boy’s possessions from house we are selling to him in ND. Pickem up and enclosed truck/van prices are still up there. I do notice a number of commuter cars around the neighborhood that have not been moved for at least a year. Everybody is camped at home with face diapers and not at work. White privileged Tesla area, not “essential” workers around here. SWMBA is in the market for a new car and is having a hard time not wanting to be stuck with generic red/white/black/grey. She was told by one dealer that she could special order, but with the caramba virus and the chip shortage, the car in the color she wants would arrive around 2025. Clay inter urinas et faeces nascimur > On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Maybe for bottom feeder scrap trucks. The semiconductor shortage is still > alive and well, and so is the shortage of new vehicles. My understanding is > that the display driver chips are what is in short supply. I could be wrong. > The lack of new inventory means more demand for near new or vehicles less > than three or so years old. > > The bottom feeder cars seem to still be reasonable, although there is > probably some upward pricing pressure, due to government stimulus and > additional unemployment benefits. > > Housing prices are through the roof too, due to increased lumber costs, pent > up demand, and a flight from urban areas. It will be an "interesting" next > several months. > > > Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: truck prices
Same with the Bluetec sedans - as of today more are on the market and prices have tumbled. On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 3:12 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Maybe for bottom feeder scrap trucks. The semiconductor shortage is still > alive and well, and so is the shortage of new vehicles. My understanding is > that the display driver chips are what is in short supply. I could be > wrong. The lack of new inventory means more demand for near new or vehicles > less than three or so years old. > > The bottom feeder cars seem to still be reasonable, although there is > probably some upward pricing pressure, due to government stimulus and > additional unemployment benefits. > > Housing prices are through the roof too, due to increased lumber costs, > pent up demand, and a flight from urban areas. It will be an "interesting" > next several months. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: April 18, 2021 12:50 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: astr...@indiana.edu > Subject: [MBZ] OT: truck prices > > I am seeing more reasonably priced pickup trucks on CL here these > days. Has the bubble popped? > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: truck prices
Maybe for bottom feeder scrap trucks. The semiconductor shortage is still alive and well, and so is the shortage of new vehicles. My understanding is that the display driver chips are what is in short supply. I could be wrong. The lack of new inventory means more demand for near new or vehicles less than three or so years old. The bottom feeder cars seem to still be reasonable, although there is probably some upward pricing pressure, due to government stimulus and additional unemployment benefits. Housing prices are through the roof too, due to increased lumber costs, pent up demand, and a flight from urban areas. It will be an "interesting" next several months. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: April 18, 2021 12:50 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: astr...@indiana.edu Subject: [MBZ] OT: truck prices I am seeing more reasonably priced pickup trucks on CL here these days. Has the bubble popped? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: truck prices
No Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I am seeing more reasonably priced pickup trucks on CL here these > days. Has the bubble popped? > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've noticed that too. In the last 2 weeks the tractor market has gotten a little less stupid too. I wonder if covid restrictions relaxing is opening up some supply. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I am seeing more reasonably priced pickup trucks on CL here these days. Has the bubble popped? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: truck prices
I am seeing more reasonably priced pickup trucks on CL here these days. Has the bubble popped? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck trans fluid
Basically how I change power steering fluid. On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 10:40 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Mitch Haley via Mercedes writes: > > > I got this method from a Ford factory manual in the 1990s. > > Drain and change filter, if applicable (my Cruze doesn't have a readily > replaceable filter). > > Fill or slightly overfill. > > Unhook cooler line and connect to a clear vinyl hose. > > Start and idle the car. > > When you've pumped out almost as much as you put in, stop and put more > in. > > When the fluid in the clear hose gets suddenly cleaner, stop and adjust > fluid level as required. > > Was going to suggest similar. Depending on the car you might need to > shift through R-N-D when idling to get the fluid circulating. > > When I changed fluid in my Volvo this spring, I did the drain/fill x 3 > method, driving a bit between drains to fully circulate the fluid. That > took a while, but by the third draining the fluid was substantially > cleaner. > > Honda recommends the repeated drain/fill approach also. > > You don't want to use "cheap" fluid for any of the fills in that method, > since some portion of it will remain. Use the manufacturer recommended > fluid. It seems somewhat wasteful but has the advantage of not messing > with cooler lines, where there always the chance of causing damage, or > introducing dirt into the system. That said, I will probably try it next > time since it should use a lot less fluid and save some time. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was thinking to pull the pan and put in a drain plug to make it easier the next time(s). I did that some years ago on my 87 Blazer, made draining the fluid a breeze, no tranny fluid bath when dropping the pan. Yes I would def use the recommended fluid, just thinking that buying some bulk stuff might be a bit cheaper, though good fluid is cheaper than a transmission fosho. --FT On 7/30/19 10:57 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: I’ve heard/seen this approach and it makes sense. However, you would need to be sure to have the correct line disconnected and have a helper to start/stop the engine, asa LOT fluid moves through those lines. The drain/fill approach works as well, although it’s a bit more time and labor intensive. By the time you’ve done it three times, the volume of old fluid is so low to be insignificant. -D On Jul 30, 2019, at 10:39 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Mitch Haley via Mercedes writes: I got this method from a Ford factory manual in the 1990s. Drain and change filter, if applicable (my Cruze doesn't have a readily replaceable filter). Fill or slightly overfill. Unhook cooler line and connect to a clear vinyl hose. Start and idle the car. When you've pumped out almost as much as you put in, stop and put more in. When the fluid in the clear hose gets suddenly cleaner, stop and adjust fluid level as required. Was going to suggest similar. Depending on the car you might need to shift through R-N-D when idling to get the fluid circulating. When I changed fluid in my Volvo this spring, I did the drain/fill x 3 method, driving a bit between drains to fully circulate the fluid. That took a while, but by the third draining the fluid was substantially cleaner. Honda recommends the repeated drain/fill approach also. You don't want to use "cheap" fluid for any of the fills in that method, since some portion of it will remain. Use the manufacturer recommended fluid. It seems somewhat wasteful but has the advantage of not messing with cooler lines, where there always the chance of causing damage, or introducing dirt into the system. That said, I will probably try it next time since it should use a lot less fluid and save some time. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck trans fluid
OK Don via Mercedes writes: > I'm guessing here, but if you disconnect a line, fluid will either > come out of it, or the fitting you removed it from - just be prepared > to collect the old fluid at both places, and it should work out fine > ??? I'd say you want to disconnect the return line from the cooler, so the fluid in the cooler is flushed as well. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck trans fluid
I'm guessing here, but if you disconnect a line, fluid will either come out of it, or the fitting you removed it from - just be prepared to collect the old fluid at both places, and it should work out fine ??? On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 9:58 AM Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > I’ve heard/seen this approach and it makes sense. However, you would need > to be sure to have the correct line disconnected and have a helper to > start/stop the engine, asa LOT fluid moves through those lines. > > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck trans fluid
I’ve heard/seen this approach and it makes sense. However, you would need to be sure to have the correct line disconnected and have a helper to start/stop the engine, asa LOT fluid moves through those lines. The drain/fill approach works as well, although it’s a bit more time and labor intensive. By the time you’ve done it three times, the volume of old fluid is so low to be insignificant. -D > On Jul 30, 2019, at 10:39 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes writes: > >> I got this method from a Ford factory manual in the 1990s. >> Drain and change filter, if applicable (my Cruze doesn't have a readily >> replaceable filter). >> Fill or slightly overfill. >> Unhook cooler line and connect to a clear vinyl hose. >> Start and idle the car. >> When you've pumped out almost as much as you put in, stop and put more in. >> When the fluid in the clear hose gets suddenly cleaner, stop and adjust >> fluid level as required. > > Was going to suggest similar. Depending on the car you might need to > shift through R-N-D when idling to get the fluid circulating. > > When I changed fluid in my Volvo this spring, I did the drain/fill x 3 > method, driving a bit between drains to fully circulate the fluid. That > took a while, but by the third draining the fluid was substantially > cleaner. > > Honda recommends the repeated drain/fill approach also. > > You don't want to use "cheap" fluid for any of the fills in that method, > since some portion of it will remain. Use the manufacturer recommended > fluid. It seems somewhat wasteful but has the advantage of not messing > with cooler lines, where there always the chance of causing damage, or > introducing dirt into the system. That said, I will probably try it next > time since it should use a lot less fluid and save some time. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck trans fluid
Mitch Haley via Mercedes writes: > I got this method from a Ford factory manual in the 1990s. > Drain and change filter, if applicable (my Cruze doesn't have a readily > replaceable filter). > Fill or slightly overfill. > Unhook cooler line and connect to a clear vinyl hose. > Start and idle the car. > When you've pumped out almost as much as you put in, stop and put more in. > When the fluid in the clear hose gets suddenly cleaner, stop and adjust fluid > level as required. Was going to suggest similar. Depending on the car you might need to shift through R-N-D when idling to get the fluid circulating. When I changed fluid in my Volvo this spring, I did the drain/fill x 3 method, driving a bit between drains to fully circulate the fluid. That took a while, but by the third draining the fluid was substantially cleaner. Honda recommends the repeated drain/fill approach also. You don't want to use "cheap" fluid for any of the fills in that method, since some portion of it will remain. Use the manufacturer recommended fluid. It seems somewhat wasteful but has the advantage of not messing with cooler lines, where there always the chance of causing damage, or introducing dirt into the system. That said, I will probably try it next time since it should use a lot less fluid and save some time. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck trans fluid
FT here's an article on Wallet Flushes, Ooops I meant transmission flushes. http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/238 Russ W On 7/29/2019 12:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: I need to change the trans fluid in my truck. Has about 120kmi so quite overdue. I don’t recall changing it but I might have at some point. I see it takes 5qt for a filter change but 11qt if the TC is drained. Of course there is no direct way to drain the TC. So I’m wondering if the best way to clean it out is to buy some cheap bulk fluid, dexron or whatever, then run a coupla drains and refills through before I put in the new filter then another dose of clean fluid. That would dilute the old stuff pretty well but unless I used “better” fluid to do the process it would get diluted quite a bit on just the last fill. What do shops do when they flush and refill? Some kind of machine that somehow can flush out the TC? How does that work? Are there some kind of fittings? --FT Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck trans fluid
Thanks. Sounds good. I should do that. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I got this method from a Ford factory manual in the 1990s. > Drain and change filter, if applicable (my Cruze doesn't have a readily > replaceable filter). > Fill or slightly overfill. > Unhook cooler line and connect to a clear vinyl hose. > Start and idle the car. > When you've pumped out almost as much as you put in, stop and put more in. > When the fluid in the clear hose gets suddenly cleaner, stop and adjust fluid > level as required. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck trans fluid
I got this method from a Ford factory manual in the 1990s. Drain and change filter, if applicable (my Cruze doesn't have a readily replaceable filter). Fill or slightly overfill. Unhook cooler line and connect to a clear vinyl hose. Start and idle the car. When you've pumped out almost as much as you put in, stop and put more in. When the fluid in the clear hose gets suddenly cleaner, stop and adjust fluid level as required. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck trans fluid
Last time I had quickie lube change the trans-fluid in the Dakota was quite awhile ago but they used a thing that attached to the cooler lines. Start the truck and it (the transmission in the truck I mean) pumped new fluid in and old fluid out. Seemed like a legit way to do things if you knew which connector was which at the cooler. They didn't do the filter at the time which I realized later was a bad idea. These days I've got a guy who does it. He saves the old fluid for me which gets a second life in the grooming machines... -Curt On Monday, July 29, 2019, 1:31:28 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: The shop transmission flush machines I have seen connect into the transmission cooler lines and suck the fluid out while pumping clean fluid in, to somehow magically swap out the old tired fluid for fresh new fluid... somewhere in the mix, a new trans filter is installed and pan gasket, etc... These machines are pretty expensive, even used, so the shop charge for this level of service is pretty spendy, from what I've seen. Might be cheaper to just do a pan drop and drain, new filter, fresh fluid then do another repeat in 5,000 miles.. until the trans fluid shows "fresh" On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:14 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I need to change the trans fluid in my truck. Has about 120kmi so quite > overdue. I don’t recall changing it but I might have at some point. > > I see it takes 5qt for a filter change but 11qt if the TC is drained. Of > course there is no direct way to drain the TC. So I’m wondering if the best > way to clean it out is to buy some cheap bulk fluid, dexron or whatever, > then run a coupla drains and refills through before I put in the new filter > then another dose of clean fluid. That would dilute the old stuff pretty > well but unless I used “better” fluid to do the process it would get > diluted quite a bit on just the last fill. > > What do shops do when they flush and refill? Some kind of machine that > somehow can flush out the TC? How does that work? Are there some kind of > fittings? > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT truck trans fluid
The shop transmission flush machines I have seen connect into the transmission cooler lines and suck the fluid out while pumping clean fluid in, to somehow magically swap out the old tired fluid for fresh new fluid... somewhere in the mix, a new trans filter is installed and pan gasket, etc... These machines are pretty expensive, even used, so the shop charge for this level of service is pretty spendy, from what I've seen. Might be cheaper to just do a pan drop and drain, new filter, fresh fluid then do another repeat in 5,000 miles.. until the trans fluid shows "fresh" On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:14 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I need to change the trans fluid in my truck. Has about 120kmi so quite > overdue. I don’t recall changing it but I might have at some point. > > I see it takes 5qt for a filter change but 11qt if the TC is drained. Of > course there is no direct way to drain the TC. So I’m wondering if the best > way to clean it out is to buy some cheap bulk fluid, dexron or whatever, > then run a coupla drains and refills through before I put in the new filter > then another dose of clean fluid. That would dilute the old stuff pretty > well but unless I used “better” fluid to do the process it would get > diluted quite a bit on just the last fill. > > What do shops do when they flush and refill? Some kind of machine that > somehow can flush out the TC? How does that work? Are there some kind of > fittings? > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT truck trans fluid
I need to change the trans fluid in my truck. Has about 120kmi so quite overdue. I don’t recall changing it but I might have at some point. I see it takes 5qt for a filter change but 11qt if the TC is drained. Of course there is no direct way to drain the TC. So I’m wondering if the best way to clean it out is to buy some cheap bulk fluid, dexron or whatever, then run a coupla drains and refills through before I put in the new filter then another dose of clean fluid. That would dilute the old stuff pretty well but unless I used “better” fluid to do the process it would get diluted quite a bit on just the last fill. What do shops do when they flush and refill? Some kind of machine that somehow can flush out the TC? How does that work? Are there some kind of fittings? --FT Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT truck pic of the day
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[MBZ] OT Truck
Sticker in the window says truck was built in Dearborn. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Reminds me - I had a Dodge van years ago built in Windsor, ON. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 2:39 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Truck Sticker in the window says truck was built in Dearborn. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
I didn't notice the typo (obviously) until this morning and wondered who would catch it. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 20:36:53 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130920203653.896997eb7477557977099...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 18:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure you could, plug it in. I drove a 240D one summer where we hit -20F every morning for a whole week, thats -28C, close enough for government work. If you hit -20F during summer, I'd hate to see what your winters are like! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
They run at higher temps than a water cooled engine, and run at a higher percentage of maximum power most of the time. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Why is such heavy oil used in recip aircraft engines? Gerry From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com I don't intend to find out! I did help Dad start a Jacobs R755 radial engine with 50 wt oil in it at -30F once though - it took about two hours of a large kerosene space heater blowing on it before we could turn the prop, much less start it. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
I'm in New England but close enough to the ocean it doesn't get all that cold for all that long. We'll hit -20F one morning every other year or so. I've been driving a diesel car for the past 10 years and the only time I had trouble with not having enough interior heat was the time the fan died on the way to work. That was a cold ride... Mike is in upstate New York, probably colder there than here. There must be plenty of working type people around you with diesel trucks and of course all semi-trucks are diesels. If they didn't have cabin heat people wouldn't use them. You must see the grill blockers around a lot. At one point Ford made cool (well I thought they were cool) plastic inserts for the grills on their trucks. This would have been in the '90s when the grill had big holes. You could put in as many inserts as you needed to keep the engine warm. Pretty invisible in use unlike a blanket or piece of cardboard. I suspect one big advantage in more recent years is higher temp thermostats, the engine is producing heat, as long as you're not wasting it out to the radiator you'll be able to have it in the cab. -Curt Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:49:18 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamiey Message-ID: 523b1cfe.6010...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 18/09/2013 3:31 PM, Fmiser wrote: Curt wrote: You're not really looking at the numbers here, you're saying 20 isn't that much more than 15 but it is 33 1/3% after all. In reality you've made my point again, you've got a 12 year old truck you've driven 66k, not even 6k a year, you're not a diesel truck person. A diesel person drives 25,000 miles or MORE a year. I disagree here. *smiles* A diesel person is one who chooses to drive a diesel. Someone using economics only for making a purchase choice may need to drive that much per year to make diesel a good choice. A true diesel person will buy and drive diesel powered vehicles even if it cost me more to do so. That's me. *grin* Money is a factor in my choice, but it is not the primary factor. -- Philip, diesel fan Where are you Philip? Any of you folks in colder climates? New Englanders maybe? I am wondering how well the diesel trucks produce heat. I am hearing stories around here that suggest they don't produce good heat in winter. Randy who lives in the GWN ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Theres just not that much mass in the engine... I've noticed that mine takes a long time to heat up. I'm having the water pump changed next week, maybe I should have the thermostat done too. Considering the amount of stuff I'm having done it won't add much more money ;) Timing belt water pump the seals around the timing belt plus tensioners and whatnot coolant flush and fill with proper VW G12 Shifter bushings This is of course what I get for buying a car with no history. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:22:03 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: cacncphmmq1ynajfegjtw7u2ywh0zyfmpmenxycfrvdvvz2p...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In general its OK. My 2000 Jetta was hard to warm up on the coldest days even in Nashville. And on those same coldest days once it was at operating temperature it would drop down some at traffic lights! but it was a real fuel miser, 50 MPG at 75 MPH was not uncommon. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
I have commented on this before so hope I don't bore anyone. My neighbor accross the lane has a Golf TDI. The first winter, he took it to the dealer to have seat heaters installed because the car did not produce sufficient heat to keep them warm. He says that is understandable. He is a retired Physics professor and says that vehicles that make really good fuel mileage are not as likely to produce good heat. He says that burning fuel is converting one form of energy to another and if one burns lots of fuel then one generally creates a lot of heat as part of that conversion. Thus the old cast iron V8 blocks of our youth used a lot of fuel but made and retained heat well. Modern engines have so much aluminum etc that they also dispel the heat better. Not so good when we need heat. One of the things I see touted for one of the new pickup trucks is active shutters that close off the grill when the temperature sensors say they don't need the airflow. Randy On 20/09/2013 12:57 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Theres just not that much mass in the engine... I've noticed that mine takes a long time to heat up. I'm having the water pump changed next week, maybe I should have the thermostat done too. Considering the amount of stuff I'm having done it won't add much more money ;) Timing belt water pump the seals around the timing belt plus tensioners and whatnot coolant flush and fill with proper VW G12 Shifter bushings This is of course what I get for buying a car with no history. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:22:03 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: cacncphmmq1ynajfegjtw7u2ywh0zyfmpmenxycfrvdvvz2p...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In general its OK. My 2000 Jetta was hard to warm up on the coldest days even in Nashville. And on those same coldest days once it was at operating temperature it would drop down some at traffic lights! but it was a real fuel miser, 50 MPG at 75 MPH was not uncommon. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What was old is new again! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca One of the things I see touted for one of the new pickup trucks is active shutters that close off the grill when the temperature sensors say they don't need the airflow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He can't wire a piece of cardboard in front of the radiator? Or at least covering one of the fans? He's right of course, it'll be interesting to see how mine is this winter. They sell a coolant heater specifically for the TDI, 1000w he'd at least be able to start his commute warm. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:52:17 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 523c9961.5050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have commented on this before so hope I don't bore anyone. My neighbor accross the lane has a Golf TDI. The first winter, he took it to the dealer to have seat heaters installed because the car did not produce sufficient heat to keep them warm. He says that is understandable. He is a retired Physics professor and says that vehicles that make really good fuel mileage are not as likely to produce good heat. He says that burning fuel is converting one form of energy to another and if one burns lots of fuel then one generally creates a lot of heat as part of that conversion. Thus the old cast iron V8 blocks of our youth used a lot of fuel but made and retained heat well. Modern engines have so much aluminum etc that they also dispel the heat better. Not so good when we need heat. One of the things I see touted for one of the new pickup trucks is active shutters that close off the grill when the temperature sensors say they don't need the airflow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A guy on TDI club said the same thing but its a car with an unknown history. If I get 6 months down the road and have to replace the water pump the timing belt has to come out anyway and I'm gonna be pissed. Might as well piggyback on labor already being done. Gonna have the coolant flushed and replaced too. Its probably only 25% coolant 75% water right now, the coolant distribution pipe was leaking and I didn't have any G12 to put in when I refilled. Which reminds me, tomorrow is oil change day. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:18:09 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CACnCPhmghNDnn=9AChj1oMkjUegt6r5_pkYC6ysTyf_LLPLW=g...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 the water pump is not timing belt driven on the A3. on the A4 it is. if its not leaking it may not be necessary to replace, but if the coolant is skunky and you're in there anyway... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Probably more likely because the USA has a reasonably warm climate throughout much of it. Esp CA which accounted for a whole lot of vehicles sold. Not needed there, so the poor folks who lived in places like Chicago were ignored. Randy On 20/09/2013 3:21 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Provincialism? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie On 20/09/2013 3:12 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. So, why have things like this been so slow in coming to us? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton. Any favorite engine (s) ? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie J-47 engines on B-47E's. ;) 'Also had GE, Studebaker and Packard engines - sometimes on same airplane. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Back in the teens and '20s International Harvester offered shutters on tractors setup to burn kerosene. Extra heat was required at the intake manifold to vaporize the kerosene (which was really stove oil not what we think of as kerosene). Later models I believe had some kind of thermostat system to open and close the shutters to stay in the optimal temperature range. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:58:53 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 523ca8fd.7090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy On 20/09/2013 2:45 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: What was old is new again! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They don't include 6 cyl MB diesels! Randy On 20/09/2013 3:45 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Wilton. Any favorite engine (s) ? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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TF-33 on B-52H's (lot better ones with much more power now, though) and OM 603.960 (maybe, better now, too) Wilt - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Wilton. Any favorite engine (s) ? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie J-47 engines on B-47E's. ;) 'Also had GE, Studebaker and Packard engines - sometimes on same airplane. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'They don't incl OM 603.970. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie They don't include 6 cyl MB diesels! Randy On 20/09/2013 3:45 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Wilton. Any favorite engine (s) ? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In general its OK. My 2000 Jetta was hard to warm up on the coldest days even in Nashville. And on those same coldest days once it was at operating temperature it would drop down some at traffic lights! but it was a real fuel miser, 50 MPG at 75 MPH was not uncommon. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm in New England but close enough to the ocean it doesn't get all that cold for all that long. We'll hit -20F one morning every other year or so. I've been driving a diesel car for the past 10 years and the only time I had trouble with not having enough interior heat was the time the fan died on the way to work. That was a cold ride... Mike is in upstate New York, probably colder there than here. There must be plenty of working type people around you with diesel trucks and of course all semi-trucks are diesels. If they didn't have cabin heat people wouldn't use them. You must see the grill blockers around a lot. At one point Ford made cool (well I thought they were cool) plastic inserts for the grills on their trucks. This would have been in the '90s when the grill had big holes. You could put in as many inserts as you needed to keep the engine warm. Pretty invisible in use unlike a blanket or piece of cardboard. I suspect one big advantage in more recent years is higher temp thermostats, the engine is producing heat, as long as you're not wasting it out to the radiator you'll be able to have it in the cab. -Curt Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:49:18 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamiey Message-ID: 523b1cfe.6010...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 18/09/2013 3:31 PM, Fmiser wrote: Curt wrote: You're not really looking at the numbers here, you're saying 20 isn't that much more than 15 but it is 33 1/3% after all. In reality you've made my point again, you've got a 12 year old truck you've driven 66k, not even 6k a year, you're not a diesel truck person. A diesel person drives 25,000 miles or MORE a year. I disagree here. *smiles* A diesel person is one who chooses to drive a diesel. Someone using economics only for making a purchase choice may need to drive that much per year to make diesel a good choice. A true diesel person will buy and drive diesel powered vehicles even if it cost me more to do so. That's me. *grin* Money is a factor in my choice, but it is not the primary factor. -- Philip, diesel fan Where are you Philip? Any of you folks in colder climates? New Englanders maybe? I am wondering how well the diesel trucks produce heat. I am hearing stories around here that suggest they don't produce good heat in winter. Randy who lives in the GWN ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the water pump is not timing belt driven on the A3. on the A4 it is. if its not leaking it may not be necessary to replace, but if the coolant is skunky and you're in there anyway... On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Theres just not that much mass in the engine... I've noticed that mine takes a long time to heat up. I'm having the water pump changed next week, maybe I should have the thermostat done too. Considering the amount of stuff I'm having done it won't add much more money ;) Timing belt water pump the seals around the timing belt plus tensioners and whatnot coolant flush and fill with proper VW G12 Shifter bushings This is of course what I get for buying a car with no history. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:22:03 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: cacncphmmq1ynajfegjtw7u2ywh0zyfmpmenxycfrvdvvz2p...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In general its OK. My 2000 Jetta was hard to warm up on the coldest days even in Nashville. And on those same coldest days once it was at operating temperature it would drop down some at traffic lights! but it was a real fuel miser, 50 MPG at 75 MPH was not uncommon. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't intend to find out! I did help Dad start a Jacobs R755 radial engine with 50 wt oil in it at -30F once though - it took about two hours of a large kerosene space heater blowing on it before we could turn the prop, much less start it. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I don't have to worry about that with my 115. When it gets really cold, I would never get it to start. I wonder how well the Passat would do when it is minus 30? Randy -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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J-47 engines on B-47E's. ;) 'Also had GE, Studebaker and Packard engines - sometimes on same airplane. Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Wilton. Aircraft or automobile or fire-truck or ground power unit or? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie My Rolls didn't have any stinkin' slats. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't have to worry about that with my 115. When it gets really cold, I would never get it to start. I wonder how well the Passat would do when it is minus 30? Randy On 20/09/2013 4:01 PM, OK Don wrote: Excatly what I did with the W115 cars, both the 220D and the 300D. Haven't needed to since I moved to the newer chassis though. They seemed able to heat the cabin just fine, whether it was 0F or 110F outside :-) The Passat TDI warms up quickly in the cold, and keeps us plenty warm - small, fuel efficient engine produces plenty of heat even at 0F. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: When we lived in the Black Forest area north of Colorado Springs and had a spell of cold with temperatures down to -23 deg.F., I put a piece of cardboard between the A/C condenser and the radiator. It worked just fine. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 20/09/2013 3:12 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. So, why have things like this been so slow in coming to us? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Excatly what I did with the W115 cars, both the 220D and the 300D. Haven't needed to since I moved to the newer chassis though. They seemed able to heat the cabin just fine, whether it was 0F or 110F outside :-) The Passat TDI warms up quickly in the cold, and keeps us plenty warm - small, fuel efficient engine produces plenty of heat even at 0F. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: When we lived in the Black Forest area north of Colorado Springs and had a spell of cold with temperatures down to -23 deg.F., I put a piece of cardboard between the A/C condenser and the radiator. It worked just fine. Craig -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He does not commute anymore as he is retired. Even when he was still working, he used the bus to get downtown. Used to see a lot of the winter fronts on vehicles around here - esp pickups - in the winters. I had one on my Suburban for years. Have not seen much cardboard in a long while. Sometimes pieces of carpet. Randy On 20/09/2013 2:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: He can't wire a piece of cardboard in front of the radiator? Or at least covering one of the fans? He's right of course, it'll be interesting to see how mine is this winter. They sell a coolant heater specifically for the TDI, 1000w he'd at least be able to start his commute warm. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:52:17 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 523c9961.5050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have commented on this before so hope I don't bore anyone. My neighbor accross the lane has a Golf TDI. The first winter, he took it to the dealer to have seat heaters installed because the car did not produce sufficient heat to keep them warm. He says that is understandable. He is a retired Physics professor and says that vehicles that make really good fuel mileage are not as likely to produce good heat. He says that burning fuel is converting one form of energy to another and if one burns lots of fuel then one generally creates a lot of heat as part of that conversion. Thus the old cast iron V8 blocks of our youth used a lot of fuel but made and retained heat well. Modern engines have so much aluminum etc that they also dispel the heat better. Not so good when we need heat. One of the things I see touted for one of the new pickup trucks is active shutters that close off the grill when the temperature sensors say they don't need the airflow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Provincialism? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie On 20/09/2013 3:12 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. So, why have things like this been so slow in coming to us? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My Rolls didn't have any stinkin' slats. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton. Aircraft or automobile or fire-truck or ground power unit or? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie My Rolls didn't have any stinkin' slats. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Randy. Long ago and far away in Europe, UK especially, flaps, blinds, mobile louvers and cardboard behind the grill, were common on cars. Fancier cars got more sophisticated devices, of course. Rolls Royce had the vertical slats in the grill moved by a thermo-bulb in the radiator header tank, for instance. Saab 96's, and others, had a roller blind in front of the radiator, controlled by a chain from the drivers seat. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. When we lived in the Black Forest area north of Colorado Springs and had a spell of cold with temperatures down to -23 deg.F., I put a piece of cardboard between the A/C condenser and the radiator. It worked just fine. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I remember them on things like big Mack trucks but I don't think it is something that has been done on pickup trucks. Randy On 20/09/2013 2:45 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: What was old is new again! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca One of the things I see touted for one of the new pickup trucks is active shutters that close off the grill when the temperature sensors say they don't need the airflow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sure you could, plug it in. I drove a 240D one summer where we hit -20F every morning for a whole week, thats -28C, close enough for government work. I had a big marine battery I kept in my apartment, first thing in the morning I'd haul it downstairs, hook up my 400w inverter and get the block heater cooking. Run back upstairs and have a shower and breakfast. When I was done I'd run down and start the car which was no problem. Haul the battery back upstairs (3rd floor walkup) and put it on the charger. I learned to bring the inverter and cord in the house too or the cord would be hard to handle. Before I had the battery I'd hook the 240D to my Dakota and Angie would drag us up and down the apartment complex driveway until the car started. I'd just slip it into 3rd and we'd go back and forth, after awhile it'd start popping and I'd put my foot to the floor, pretty quick it'd be firing on one but wouldn't stay running on its own. It wouldn't be long before all 4 were firing. I knew I had to come up with a better solution or Angie would get rid of me. The battery was an inspiration one day. Interestingly if you go on Peachparts they'll tell you a 400w inverter can't run the block heater in a 123 but I know the truth. -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:03:41 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 523cb82d.2050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't have to worry about that with my 115. When it gets really cold, I would never get it to start. I wonder how well the Passat would do when it is minus 30? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I forgot to mention that I've never had it cold enough my 190D wouldn't start but it hasn't been colder than about -15F here since I've had an OM601. At -15F an OM616 in a 240D is decidedly iffy, a OM601 is no trouble at all. When I bought the battery for the Jetta there were 3 sizes, I picked the biggest... -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:28:06 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CANZcij-fJVsjfs3pG_Cfm+vA2TVEzRssa3XL4JPq6Fo=zbs...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't intend to find out! I did help Dad start a Jacobs R755 radial engine with 50 wt oil in it at -30F once though - it took about two hours of a large kerosene space heater blowing on it before we could turn the prop, much less start it. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I don't have to worry about that with my 115. When it gets really cold, I would never get it to start. I wonder how well the Passat would do when it is minus 30? Randy -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 18:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure you could, plug it in. I drove a 240D one summer where we hit -20F every morning for a whole week, thats -28C, close enough for government work. If you hit -20F during summer, I'd hate to see what your winters are like! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Why is such heavy oil used in recip aircraft engines? Gerry From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com I don't intend to find out! I did help Dad start a Jacobs R755 radial engine with 50 wt oil in it at -30F once though - it took about two hours of a large kerosene space heater blowing on it before we could turn the prop, much less start it. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I don't have to worry about that with my 115. When it gets really cold, I would never get it to start. I wonder how well the Passat would do when it is minus 30? Randy -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6186 - Release Date: 09/20/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 18/09/2013 3:31 PM, Fmiser wrote: Curt wrote: You're not really looking at the numbers here, you're saying 20 isn't that much more than 15 but it is 33 1/3% after all. In reality you've made my point again, you've got a 12 year old truck you've driven 66k, not even 6k a year, you're not a diesel truck person. A diesel person drives 25,000 miles or MORE a year. I disagree here. *smiles* A diesel person is one who chooses to drive a diesel. Someone using economics only for making a purchase choice may need to drive that much per year to make diesel a good choice. A true diesel person will buy and drive diesel powered vehicles even if it cost me more to do so. That's me. *grin* Money is a factor in my choice, but it is not the primary factor. -- Philip, diesel fan Where are you Philip? Any of you folks in colder climates? New Englanders maybe? I am wondering how well the diesel trucks produce heat. I am hearing stories around here that suggest they don't produce good heat in winter. Randy who lives in the GWN ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Where are you Philip? Any of you folks in colder climates? New Englanders maybe? I am wondering how well the diesel trucks produce heat. I am hearing stories around here that suggest they don't produce good heat in winter. Randy who lives in the GWN IME the heat in a P/U is fine, in a Suburban not so much. Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Actually, you would. A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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have spent $2310 less in fuel now than I have. However, I had to spend 4K$ for the ability to save that money. Everybody always forgets resale value. Gotta factor that in too. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 17/09/2013 5:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: A diesel isn't out of the question, but I'd like to avoid having to a steep learning curve with something completely new. A gas 350, or example, is something that will be very easy to manage without much new to learn. Ideally I get something that I just do a major service on, maybe brakes or some suspension, and then have it is be fairly trouble free for a while. Jaime The ultimate question is what you will use it for and my guess is that if you buy a decent truck, you will use it more than you think you might. If you truly think you will only use it sporadically, then I would agree that a basic 2 wheel drive Chevy will suit you fine. I bought a 1968 C10 (2 wheel drive 1/2 ton) with a 292 inline 6 and a powerglide in about 1985 for $750. It was a Plant Science truck from the local university and they put them up for tender. It was a bit rough but not rusty. I bought a junkyard seat and a rebuilt carb and put new tires on it and kept it until about 2 years ago and sold it for $1600. So, I had it roughly 25 years and sold it for more than I paid for it. In the intervening years, I put 2 or 3 or more exhaust systems on it, a starter, a few batteries, had the rad recored, and put a 2nd set of new tires on it, so I did not break even, but it was fairly cheap to own. It had no power steering or brakes and had the radio delete plate. It was pretty basic except for being sort of a heavy half truck. It had coil rear suspension with the half leaf overload springs. Sometimes I kept insurance on it year round and sometimes I let it lapse for the winter. Insurance was cheap on it too. I used it to haul stuff when needed. During the time I had it we built on to our house and I hauled a lot of lumber etc home with it from the local lumber yards. I rarely drove it on the highway very far from home although I did have it out to the cottage 2 or 3 times and that is 175 miles away. It was terrible on fuel and that was one of the discouraging factors. Also during the time I had it, I also had a Suburban for 10 years so I did not need the pickup for a lot of my lake runs. I only drove the pickup about 14000 miles in 25 years. It was handy to have if we had trouble with another vehicle and needed something to drive while fixing the other ones. It was useful for hauling away junk and for hauling in things like garden soil and gravel etc. It was a good truck but it was noisy and unrefined by today's standards. I thought seriously about fixing it up with some bodywork and paint etc but quickly realized I could buy a much newer better riding truck for less than it would cost to decently fix the old truck so I sold it. My wife and my younger son are still a bit miffed about my selling it but it was wasting away since we were not using it and it was sitting out at the lake for the last couple of years we owned it. My younger son is 6'3 and the cabs on those old trucks are not as big as the new ones. He really did not fit it all that well. I also considered it somewhat unsafe compared to the newer trucks with more modern amenities like air bags etc. After I sold my Suburban and subsequently passed on the 4Runner (that replaced the Suburban) to my son, I bought a 98 F150 short box regular cab 4X4 and drove it for a year and liked it well enough that I bouhgt the Supercrew that I am still driving. That was sort of the nail in the coffin for the old pickup as I passed on the short box to my son and we really did not need 3 pickups in the family and the newer ones were so much easier and more comfortable to drive. So, the gist of my long story is that a basic older truck can be useful and inexpensive if you are not going to use it a whole lot. If you find that you like it and use it a lot, you will end up swapping it for a better one. My earlier suggestion was that you bite the bullet and start out with the better one but you need to be the judge of that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You're not really looking at the numbers here, you're saying 20 isn't that much more than 15 but it is 33 1/3% after all. In reality you've made my point again, you've got a 12 year old truck you've driven 66k, not even 6k a year, you're not a diesel truck person. A diesel person drives 25,000 miles or MORE a year. Going back to Jamie I've been suggesting a gas truck from the beginning, something basic with maybe even a v6. On the car front, how much do you drive? The same equation above continues to apply except the Jetta and Prius are pretty much the same price. I happen to think the Jetta is MUCH more fun to drive, its faster, and handles better and if you drive mostly highway probably gets better mileage. If you drive mostly city the Prius is probably a better choice. OK Don will tell you the Passat gets better mileage than the Jetta (its also less prone to HPFP problems and doesn't go through a filter regen cycle although it does require DEF), is roomier and overall probably a better car for a couple grand more. -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:04:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamiey Message-ID: 1379459051.36987.yahoomail...@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 True, but we're talking about Ford F-250's. ?There is not a significant mileage difference between the gas and the diesel versions. ?Mine gets 14 towing the boat, 15 on the road. ?A diesel gets 20. I was going to be out $4K up front. ? Maintenance on an F-250 Diesel is very expensive. ?At the 2001 price, I was just not interested in spending the extra 4K$. ?Plus I didn't want the cost of the huge air filter or the dual big batteries. So right now, using 3.45 for gas, 3.90 for diesel, pretty accurate where I am, and 66K miles, and 15 mpg for gas and 20 mpg for diesel, I get that I would have spent $2310 less in fuel now than I have. ?However, I had to spend 4K$ for the ability to save that money. I realize that it's not an amazing amount of money I'm saving 12 years later, but I've had absolutely no issues with the truck, gas works fine, I've pulled a 300TD from Atlanta to here, etc etc. Now if you want to look at little cars, I am thinking about either a new Jetta TDI or a new Prius. ?I am back to thinking about gas vs diesel, and your numbers have more validity. ?I've rented both cars, and find they are very similiar as far as utility is concerned. ?Now I have to make the decision about gas and diesel again. ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:08:50 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130918010850.37350...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Actually, you would. A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: OK Don will tell you the Passat gets better mileage than the Jetta (its also less prone to HPFP problems and doesn't go through a filter regen cycle although it does require DEF), is roomier and overall probably a better car for a couple grand more. What do the acronyms mean? What does the filter regen cycle do? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So Jaime is becoming a redneck:) Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: it's time for you to know this. jaime used to confide in me that he wanted to be you On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Jaime is just trying to be more like me. First he moves to the country (I think), then he needs a lawn tractor. Now he wants a pickup. Next thing you know he will have 80 junk cars in his back yard. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Fmiser wrote: Actually, you would. A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. Curt wrote: This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... The C-code has less power (J and C are the letters in the VIN for the engine). It is used in the light duty cars. I believe the non-military Blazers would all be C-code from the factory, but I don't really know. There were two versions of 3/4 ton Suburbans, the one with high GVWR got the J-code engine while the lighter got the C-code. It seems often the cars were setup for max economy with long-legged differential gearing - which, of course, makes them slow. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamiey
Where? In silver spring? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Diesel is cheaper here, believe it or not, at $3.89. Andrew in D.C. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote: True, but we're talking about Ford F-250's. There is not a significant mileage difference between the gas and the diesel versions. Mine gets 14 towing the boat, 15 on the road. A diesel gets 20. I was going to be out $4K up front. Maintenance on an F-250 Diesel is very expensive. At the 2001 price, I was just not interested in spending the extra 4K$. Plus I didn't want the cost of the huge air filter or the dual big batteries. So right now, using 3.45 for gas, 3.90 for diesel, pretty accurate where I am, and 66K miles, and 15 mpg for gas and 20 mpg for diesel, I get that I would have spent $2310 less in fuel now than I have. However, I had to spend 4K$ for the ability to save that money. I realize that it's not an amazing amount of money I'm saving 12 years later, but I've had absolutely no issues with the truck, gas works fine, I've pulled a 300TD from Atlanta to here, etc etc. Now if you want to look at little cars, I am thinking about either a new Jetta TDI or a new Prius. I am back to thinking about gas vs diesel, and your numbers have more validity. I've rented both cars, and find they are very similiar as far as utility is concerned. Now I have to make the decision about gas and diesel again. From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie So far north of gas? I got my aunt with this the other day, they have a diesel Passat and a gasser Volvo. We talked it out and if you aim low on the Passat and say 40mpg and say 30mpg on the Volvo which is probably slightly optimistic that gives the Passat a 33% advantage right? If gas is $3.65 and diesel is $4 (and thats a bad spread, its not as bad here) thats 35 cents difference or around 9%. So my contention is that you spend an extra 9 cents to save 33. You don't have to hit me twice with a stick... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 1379456364.48504.yahoomail...@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have a 2001 F-250. ?Got it new, love it. ?Diesel was 4K$ more at the time, and it just wasn't worth it, even though fuel was cheaper then. ?If you tow all the time for a living, then a diesel is a good thing. ?If you're buying a utility truck to go to the lake, pick up lawn stuff, and in general haul stuff around but not for a living, then gas is great. ?Now that the cost of diesel is so far north of gas, I am convinced my lil ole F-250 gasser was a good choice. Now I got 66K miles on it. ?It will still be here when the crematorium is messing with me (c: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Arlington, VA but SS is probably within a dime of that. are you driving down for our weekend tech session at HBL in Tysons Corner? I will FW you the announcement. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:13 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Where? In silver spring? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Diesel is cheaper here, believe it or not, at $3.89. Andrew in D.C. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote: True, but we're talking about Ford F-250's. There is not a significant mileage difference between the gas and the diesel versions. Mine gets 14 towing the boat, 15 on the road. A diesel gets 20. I was going to be out $4K up front. Maintenance on an F-250 Diesel is very expensive. At the 2001 price, I was just not interested in spending the extra 4K$. Plus I didn't want the cost of the huge air filter or the dual big batteries. So right now, using 3.45 for gas, 3.90 for diesel, pretty accurate where I am, and 66K miles, and 15 mpg for gas and 20 mpg for diesel, I get that I would have spent $2310 less in fuel now than I have. However, I had to spend 4K$ for the ability to save that money. I realize that it's not an amazing amount of money I'm saving 12 years later, but I've had absolutely no issues with the truck, gas works fine, I've pulled a 300TD from Atlanta to here, etc etc. Now if you want to look at little cars, I am thinking about either a new Jetta TDI or a new Prius. I am back to thinking about gas vs diesel, and your numbers have more validity. I've rented both cars, and find they are very similiar as far as utility is concerned. Now I have to make the decision about gas and diesel again. From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie So far north of gas? I got my aunt with this the other day, they have a diesel Passat and a gasser Volvo. We talked it out and if you aim low on the Passat and say 40mpg and say 30mpg on the Volvo which is probably slightly optimistic that gives the Passat a 33% advantage right? If gas is $3.65 and diesel is $4 (and thats a bad spread, its not as bad here) thats 35 cents difference or around 9%. So my contention is that you spend an extra 9 cents to save 33. You don't have to hit me twice with a stick... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 1379456364.48504.yahoomail...@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have a 2001 F-250. ?Got it new, love it. ?Diesel was 4K$ more at the time, and it just wasn't worth it, even though fuel was cheaper then. ?If you tow all the time for a living, then a diesel is a good thing. ?If you're buying a utility truck to go to the lake, pick up lawn stuff, and in general haul stuff around but not for a living, then gas is great. ?Now that the cost of diesel is so far north of gas, I am convinced my lil ole F-250 gasser was a good choice. Now I got 66K miles on it. ?It will still be here when the crematorium is messing with me (c: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
As far as I'm concerned the 6.2 is under powered. I've had both the 6.2 and the 6.5. Both in vans and the 6.5 beats the 6.2 hands down and they both got right at 20mpg. Mind it's still not great at pulling but it is better. If you get a Blazer try to find one with the 6.5 turbo on it. If the electronic pump goes out you can still put in a later mechanical pump for less money and be a lot happier. I'm just sad that the turbo doesn't fit in a van. I think my Dodge van with the 318 may have been better at pulling then the 6.2 but it also used a lot more fuel. Manfred Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:54:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not acronyms, initialisms, unless you're going to try to pronounce HPFP which would be hard without vowels... ;) HPFP = High pressure fuel pump which is apparently prone to failure on the Jetta and Beetle from 2009 on although there is disagreement on how many. VW and NTSB say 1-2%, if you read some of the forums it might be as high as 25%. The theory is that our crappy diesel fuel is killing a pump which might be marginal to begin with. Smart money right now says to run a lubricity additive. Passat uses a different HPFP which is supposedly more robust. DEF = Diesel Exhaust Fluid, the oft referred to urea which, contrary to popular opinion is not refined from urine. The Jetta has a filter which fills with diesel soot after awhile, before its completely full the engine runs a regeneration cycle which shoots extra fuel through the engine and burns out the filter. Some folks report the car running poorly during that time, some don't, its hard to know who to believe. The Passat uses DEF and thus doesn't have the filter and its possible problems, this is also why the Passat gets slightly better mileage. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:54:03 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamiey Message-ID: 20130918115403.7b375e8bd31a3326c65b5...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: OK Don will tell you the Passat gets better mileage than the Jetta (its also less prone to HPFP problems and doesn't go through a filter regen cycle although it does require DEF), is roomier and overall probably a better car for a couple grand more. What do the acronyms mean? What does the filter regen cycle do? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Whats the difference between C and J? Can you modify a C to a J? I don't want a 1ton pickup, I guess a 3/4 ton Sub I could live with ;) -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:14:39 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130918131439.51d65...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Fmiser wrote: Actually, you would.? A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. Curt wrote: This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... The C-code has less power (J and C are the letters in the VIN for the engine). It is used in the light duty cars. I believe the non-military Blazers would all be C-code from the factory, but I don't really know. There were two versions of 3/4 ton Suburbans, the one with high GVWR got the J-code engine while the lighter got the C-code. It seems often the cars were setup for max economy with long-legged differential gearing - which, of course, makes them slow. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: You're not really looking at the numbers here, you're saying 20 isn't that much more than 15 but it is 33 1/3% after all. In reality you've made my point again, you've got a 12 year old truck you've driven 66k, not even 6k a year, you're not a diesel truck person. A diesel person drives 25,000 miles or MORE a year. I disagree here. *smiles* A diesel person is one who chooses to drive a diesel. Someone using economics only for making a purchase choice may need to drive that much per year to make diesel a good choice. A true diesel person will buy and drive diesel powered vehicles even if it cost me more to do so. That's me. *grin* Money is a factor in my choice, but it is not the primary factor. -- Philip, diesel fan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
The 6.2 is the 240D of chevy, yes they are slow and probably considered underpowered by todays standards, but it will pull just about anything you want it to, just slowly. On 9/18/2013 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:08:50 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130918010850.37350...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Actually, you would. A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
As I was telling Fred a couple weeks ago Mercedes folks are enthusiasts, VW people are nuts. Diesel people appreciate a finely designed and built engine, gasser people are dang fools. Honestly though if I didn't have a highway commute I'd probably switch to a gasser. It doesn't take much around town with a diesel MB to carbon it up... -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:31:07 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamiey Message-ID: 20130918153107.5b12b...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt wrote: You're not really looking at the numbers here, you're saying 20 isn't that much more than 15 but it is 33 1/3% after all. In reality you've made my point again, you've got a 12 year old truck you've driven 66k, not even 6k a year, you're not a diesel truck person. A diesel person drives 25,000 miles or MORE a year. I disagree here. *smiles* A diesel person is one who chooses to drive a diesel. Someone using economics only for making a purchase choice may need to drive that much per year to make diesel a good choice. A true diesel person will buy and drive diesel powered vehicles even if it cost me more to do so. That's me. *grin* Money is a factor in my choice, but it is not the primary factor. -- Philip, diesel fan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
C is EGR, J is no EGR. All you have to do is swap the intake manifold. On 9/18/2013 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Whats the difference between C and J? Can you modify a C to a J? I don't want a 1ton pickup, I guess a 3/4 ton Sub I could live with ;) -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:14:39 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130918131439.51d65...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Fmiser wrote: Actually, you would.? A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. Curt wrote: This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... The C-code has less power (J and C are the letters in the VIN for the engine). It is used in the light duty cars. I believe the non-military Blazers would all be C-code from the factory, but I don't really know. There were two versions of 3/4 ton Suburbans, the one with high GVWR got the J-code engine while the lighter got the C-code. It seems often the cars were setup for max economy with long-legged differential gearing - which, of course, makes them slow. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
not until he starts getting some guns and dogs. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: So Jaime is becoming a redneck:) Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: it's time for you to know this. jaime used to confide in me that he wanted to be you On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Jaime is just trying to be more like me. First he moves to the country (I think), then he needs a lawn tractor. Now he wants a pickup. Next thing you know he will have 80 junk cars in his back yard. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd agree with curt here. the love of diesel is nice and all but diesel isn't always an answer but the reality is jaime just wants another toy. for as often as he needs to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew. seems to be 30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE., this car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully roll up) at all and got about 12mpg. when i wanted to do an overnight or day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before closing on saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax. there were always big vans and pickups available. sometimes they were all that was available so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you will discover that renting is much cheaper than owning but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that is probably what we have here On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance costs. Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home center or the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a diesel. If he was gonna do long road trips sure... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: CALHJ_1A+AceL3Rh-vZYhxkMcVs5VqOg+W3b+=aa-rfpenpu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Miles are high for a v8 Ford. Not a great deal. Look further south for less rust. A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way more. Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power. That truck will get around 12. Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever. Newer Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get worse mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who cares? Mike On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
They probabably cant own guns up there in liberal land. I actually just aquired 10 more guns yesterday. I have 6 riffles and/or shotguns leaned up against my bedroom wall next to my bed while I figure out a place to store them because I have an overflow of guns. On 9/18/2013 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: not until he starts getting some guns and dogs. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: So Jaime is becoming a redneck:) Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
Not true. The J code has better head bolts, better main cap bolts, bigger injectors, pump and lines and probably a few more I am missing. That said, I am running an 83 rv engine that is probably the old c code. Runs stronger than my J code engine ever did so who knows? Oh, and the military Blazers should all be J code engines. Mike On Sep 18, 2013 7:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: C is EGR, J is no EGR. All you have to do is swap the intake manifold. On 9/18/2013 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Whats the difference between C and J? Can you modify a C to a J? I don't want a 1ton pickup, I guess a 3/4 ton Sub I could live with ;) -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:14:39 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie Message-ID: 20130918131439.51d651f4@**Jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: With a 6.2 you certainly don't have the power you'd get with a 5.7 gasser... Fmiser wrote: Actually, you would.? A J-code (the one without the EGR) 6.2L specs and drives very much like a 5.7 (350 cid) gasoline engine. But fuel mileage is easily 50% better. Curt wrote: This surprises me, I was always under the impression the 6.2 was a bit under powered. I've never thought a 5.7 underpowered... It reinforces my desire for a 6.2 powered Blazer... The C-code has less power (J and C are the letters in the VIN for the engine). It is used in the light duty cars. I believe the non-military Blazers would all be C-code from the factory, but I don't really know. There were two versions of 3/4 ton Suburbans, the one with high GVWR got the J-code engine while the lighter got the C-code. It seems often the cars were setup for max economy with long-legged differential gearing - which, of course, makes them slow. --Philip __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck
Chevy Ford and Dodge are probably less expensive but cost more to feed. Toyota Tacoma 2wd with the offroad TRD wannabe package 16 wheels would probably do what you want also. My wifes 03 with 4cyl has hauled up to 1500 lbs and pulled a 5x8 enclosed utility trailer with full load over the Rockies as well as a car trailer with Cherokee over 90 miles. All without any problems or adverse handling. Was it fast doing that, no but then who wants to race with a full load 70 is good enough. OK 20 uphill going over the Rockies but that was a hell of a load. All in all it's been a lot better then I ever thought it would be. So I wouldn't be afraid to get one of them if it's been well taken care of though the extra cost in your case for just sometime use probably isn't worth it. I'd stick with 2wd no matter what you get to avoid problems and more repairs. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 21:01:26 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com I've decided I want a pick up truck for basic utility.? Carrying stuff around, trips to the home disappointment, etc.? And towing around my utility trailer.? Overall, it would get used pretty rarely and I'd probably share it with my brother who has the same needs. Looking to spend under $3000.? Doesn't have to be pretty, but should a basically reliable design.? I don't mind doing some work, of course, to make it reliable. Problem is I don't know where to start looking.? That is, what model to look for and what to avoid.? Can anyone offer any experience or suggestions?? I'd lean toward a Toyota, but I don't think they're very cheap.? Theres lots of higher mileage Fords and Dodges out there... A bonus would be something heavy enough to tow a car trailer. Anyone have any advice? Thanks, Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck
This doesn't belong on this list! --R On 9/16/13 9:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: I've decided I want a pick up truck for basic utility. Carrying stuff around, trips to the home disappointment, etc. And towing around my utility trailer. Overall, it would get used pretty rarely and I'd probably share it with my brother who has the same needs. Looking to spend under $3000. Doesn't have to be pretty, but should a basically reliable design. I don't mind doing some work, of course, to make it reliable. Problem is I don't know where to start looking. That is, what model to look for and what to avoid. Can anyone offer any experience or suggestions? I'd lean toward a Toyota, but I don't think they're very cheap. Theres lots of higher mileage Fords and Dodges out there... A bonus would be something heavy enough to tow a car trailer. Anyone have any advice? Thanks, Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles from Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
